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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition, President's Day edition of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Those of you are on holiday, hope you can kick

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Speaker 2: back and relax. Those of you, like us, who aren't working,

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Speaker 2: we are here for you. We are with you in

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Speaker 2: the struggle of showing up on President's Day holiday. So

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Speaker 2: here we are much to discuss from today and even

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Speaker 2: from over the weekend. Right as we finished, and I

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Speaker 2: tell you this, and Clay would confirm it, I had

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Speaker 2: said about thirty minutes before the end of the show

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Speaker 2: on Friday, they're going to drop a massive three hundred

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Speaker 2: or so million dollar judgment against Donald Trump. I kid

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Speaker 2: you not. I think it came down within three minutes

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Speaker 2: of us going off air Friday, and it was a

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Speaker 2: three hundred million dollar judgment against Donald Trump. So we

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Speaker 2: expected that. Well, we'll get into this, but I I

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Speaker 2: think that this is starting to reach the phase where

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Speaker 2: Democrats are worried about the forget about the law as

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Speaker 2: it pertains this, but the politics of it. I think

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Speaker 2: it might be backfiring on the much more than they anticipated.

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Speaker 2: There's also oh boy, so much Joe Biden is losing.

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Speaker 2: Nate Silver says it he's losing. He would lose now,

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Speaker 2: and there's quote no plan. That's the five thirty eight right,

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Speaker 2: five thirty eight dot com guy, the favorite statistician of Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Former President Trump has some truckers who are planning to

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Speaker 2: boycott New York after the three hundred and fifty five

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Speaker 2: million dollar fraud ruling. So we're going to see how

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Speaker 2: how much that has an effect and how long that continues.

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Speaker 2: Who's involved. Biden is considering in executive order to limit

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Speaker 2: the flow of migrants. Oh wait, I thought Republicans were

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Speaker 2: standing in his way and there needed to be new laws. No,

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Speaker 2: there's not a need for new laws. We will discuss

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Speaker 2: that as well, and then if we have time, which

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we will, scholars take that as you will

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Speaker 2: rank the top fifteen presidents of all time, and it

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Speaker 2: will probably not surprise any of you that Trump does

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Speaker 2: not come in the top ten. We'll tell you where

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Speaker 2: the scholars ranked the Trump presidency among others as well

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Speaker 2: later on, But Clay, let's start with this one. We

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Speaker 2: talked about this as a likelihood on Friday. Now it

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Speaker 2: is real, a three hundred million dollar judgment, and I

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Speaker 2: think the problems here are many. One is ever keeps

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Speaker 2: saying it'll get overturned on appeal. Not everyone, but people

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Speaker 2: are saying that no, not necessarily. This is New York

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Speaker 2: state law. I don't even think the Supreme Court would

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Speaker 2: grant cert on this. I don't think that this goes

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Speaker 2: anywhere other than New York State courts and New York

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Speaker 2: State courts to stack with Democrats. Well, what else is there?

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Speaker 2: What do you see happening?

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Speaker 3: H This is what we said, Buck, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's really important for everybody out there to understand exactly

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Speaker 3: what's going on. They hit Trump with eighty eight million

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Speaker 3: in Egene Carroll. I think that was way better than

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Speaker 3: they ever anticipated. This is a concerted attempt to try

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Speaker 3: to humiliate Trump and also to try to make it

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Speaker 3: look like he's not as wealthy as he actually says

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Speaker 3: he is. And this is what I've been saying for

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Speaker 3: some time. I was actually having this conversation with my

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Speaker 3: he was trying to figure out, Dad, what's the goal

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Speaker 3: here in terms of making him pay over three hundred

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Speaker 3: In theory, the goal is to demonstrate that Trump doesn't

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Speaker 3: actually have that much cash, and they want him to

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Speaker 2: Can I add to that to also take a whole lot. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Let's say Trump is worth what he says he's worth,

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Speaker 2: and he's worth billions. How much of that is liquid?

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Speaker 2: And even for billionaires to cough up three hundred million liquid,

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Speaker 2: I believe he has to put this money in escrow.

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Speaker 2: They're not just trying to humiliate him for overstating it,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think Trump would care and we don't care,

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Speaker 2: right and Trump, you know, his brand is worth what

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Speaker 2: he body lost anything on the deal in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Oh but but beyond that, they've always been saying that

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Speaker 2: Trump isn't worth you know, he says nine billion, and

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Speaker 2: I think more analysts out there they looking to say

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Speaker 2: it's more like a billion or two whatever. He's a

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Speaker 2: And let me just say this, even super rich people, billionaires,

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Speaker 2: so you can make more money on top of them.

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Speaker 2: So this is an attempt to humiliate Trump.

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Speaker 3: Buck I actually think it's way bigger than this, though,

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Speaker 3: when I saw this verdict come down and there are

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Speaker 3: now truckers reacting. But I have founded several companies in

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Speaker 3: thankfully now anywhere in.

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Speaker 2: The United States.

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Speaker 3: All it did for me was confirm that I will

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Speaker 3: never found a company in a blue state, and I

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Speaker 3: will certainly never live in a blue state for the

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Speaker 3: a pinprick of a lot of super wealthy people who

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Speaker 3: of those guys and they're almost all men. But some

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Speaker 3: women as well looked at that and said, if they

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Speaker 3: can hit Trump like this based on his politics, they

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Speaker 3: see the actual result for the state of New York.

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Speaker 3: I think there is going to be tens of billions

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Speaker 3: that as you've seen, Elon must say, Hey, I'm relocating.

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Speaker 3: You relocated from New York City to Florida. Like you've

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Speaker 3: actually experienced this yourself. I don't know why anyone with

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Speaker 3: any substantial asset, Buck, if you have a red blood

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Speaker 3: why would you ever stay in a blue state and

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Speaker 3: allow yourself to be targeted like this.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk just went through this with Delaware, which had

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Speaker 2: been a place mainly for Joe Biden to accept bribes

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Speaker 2: and for companies to incorporate themselves and actually has some

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Speaker 2: very nice beaches. Delaware Beach is very underrated, considered Buck

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Speaker 2: the gold standard for in America. Yes, Delaware is a

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Speaker 2: state that was benefiting dramatically from and this is what

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Speaker 2: everybody would do. It was the default. Well, they just

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Speaker 2: said that Elon Musk's pay package for Tesla, which the

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Speaker 2: make that he made Delaware. A court in Delaware says, no, sorry,

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Speaker 2: you can't do that, I know, And it's like, what

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Speaker 2: in what universe is that the way this is supposed

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Speaker 3: One judge in Delaware just said you're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: the judge has better judgment pardon me as to what

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Speaker 2: So this is a big, a big problem, a major challenge.

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Speaker 2: What they're doing to Trump on the civil front as

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Speaker 2: This is not going to go away. And I think, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: the truth is Republicans are burdened with having some level

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Speaker 2: people are going to say, oh, Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: have retribution when he's president. I think Trump, if he's president,

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Speaker 2: to be the retribution that people think because we don't

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Speaker 2: the same token, I think they're going to continue to

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Speaker 2: to use the courts as a weapon of politics. So

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Speaker 2: this is a really troubling president. This is something that

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Speaker 2: an incredibly obtuse interpretation of the law. As well. Who's

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Speaker 2: the victim the bank? There is no victim. That's the

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Speaker 2: part that I can't get. As a court comes along

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Speaker 2: and says, Trump says, the house is worth X, and

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Speaker 2: the following assets. The bank comes along and says, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Clay, If I put my house on the

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Speaker 2: That's not fraud. That's what the market will bear. And

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Speaker 3: Buck, Like five years ago, I got a appraisal of

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Speaker 3: my house and I think I was potentially going to

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Speaker 3: And this whole idea I was reading over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: There's never been a case brought like this in the

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Speaker 3: history of the state of New York. No business has

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Speaker 3: right now. And people say, well, that's hyperbolic. What do

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Speaker 3: you mean, And let me give you the specifics. And

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Speaker 3: I think this is important. They've never done to a

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Speaker 3: in New York that are happening. They're elevating this random

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Speaker 3: we still don't even understand how that's possible for Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 2: What is happening to Trump.

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Speaker 3: Is truly without legal precedent, both civilly and criminally, in

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Speaker 2: fun President's Day question out there for all of our people,

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Speaker 1: Stay on top of election use with twenty four from

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck, a weekly podcast you can find on

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Speaker 3: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis Box Sexton Show.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us here. On

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Speaker 2: On Friday. They need to have you on. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I am officially banned from CNN and the ESPN. Maybe

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Speaker 2: You definitely need to show up wearing a top hat

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Speaker 3: Maybe I can get knighted while I'm over there. Since

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Speaker 3: a white male, it would be everywhere. You would know

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Speaker 3: everything about him. Listen to that cut.

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Speaker 4: We don't know who did this shooting. By the way,

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl sho we have some.

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Speaker 5: Mind you if it were a white man shooting, we'd know.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know. I mean, that's how we.

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Speaker 5: Know it's not a white man. I can tell you

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Speaker 5: that much.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they were repressing that reporting.

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Speaker 5: They wouldn't tell us about the transgender woman that shot

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Speaker 5: up the Christian school for what like a year? Oh,

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Speaker 5: San Bernardino out here, remember the crazy terrorist Muslims. That's

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Speaker 5: when I first noticed they're not telling us who it is.

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Speaker 2: It's not a white male.

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Speaker 5: The longer they go without telling you it's not a

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Speaker 5: white male.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well we don't for this one for right now.

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Speaker 4: As of Friday night, February sixteen. Yeah, we don't officially know. Okay,

452
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Speaker 4: you know, you have special powers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she was right, one hundred percent. She was right.

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Speaker 2: She does have special powers apparently because she was able

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Speaker 2: to see this. Now we said the same thing on Friday,

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Speaker 2: because this is apparent. But this is now effectively a

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Speaker 2: rule for the media that they will right away if

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Speaker 2: the shooter or if somebody basically, if somebody who does

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Speaker 2: something violent and terrible is white, you will know it

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Speaker 2: within minutes of the shooting. Correct. And if there's some

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Speaker 2: other component, if there's some other you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: a you know, a gender transgender issue or a racial

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Speaker 2: issue or whatever. If there's something that's not a you know,

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Speaker 2: straight white male does killing, they will delay and delay

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Speaker 2: and delay as long as they can. And this is

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Speaker 2: obviously meant to protect certain narratives and also to promote others. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there were two young black guys who did the shooting

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Speaker 2: at the at the parade, and because we didn't know

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Speaker 2: about them, we knew that they weren't two white guys

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Speaker 2: doing the shooting and said this. Notice Bill Maher wasn't

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Speaker 2: saying she was wrong. Yeah, correct, Because he knew, he

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Speaker 2: knew then Joy is sitting there. Don Jones is a

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Speaker 2: pretty is a pretty fiery debater. I've debated him before.

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Speaker 2: He didn't really get into it with her on this

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Speaker 2: because everybody knew what she was saying was true.

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Speaker 3: On Saturday, I think it was TMZ posted the videos,

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Speaker 3: but I had seen the videos and shared them on

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Speaker 3: social media before that, and you could see who was arrested,

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Speaker 3: two young black men. So this builds on another question.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 3: First of all, nobody's going to talk about it now,

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Speaker 3: right think about it. Twenty people get shot at a

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl parade in Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Seems like kind of a huge story. One innocent person

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Speaker 2: is killed.

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Speaker 3: The mediate question that I have is, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: how did juveniles get these weapons to be shooting at

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Speaker 3: each other? And we just saw up in Michigan the

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Speaker 3: parents charged with the Michigan school shooter.

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Speaker 2: I immediately think.

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Speaker 3: When somebody is under eighteen years old and does this,

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Speaker 3: what in the world are the parents doing? And and

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Speaker 3: or the guardian because I'll play three teenagers or two

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Speaker 3: teenagers and one little kid.

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Speaker 2: We probably won't know this, but it won't come out

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Speaker 2: because they're juveniles. If you were bet I would give

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Speaker 2: somebody if we were putting odds on this. Not to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm not by no means of making light of it,

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Speaker 2: but just in terms of the probabilities here, if you're

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Speaker 2: putting Vegas odds on it, I think I would give

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Speaker 2: someone legitimately one hundred to one that neither of these

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Speaker 2: individuals have a father in the home. Yeah, because when

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Speaker 2: you look at, as a matter of statistics, the correlation

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Speaker 2: between violent criminal activity and the absence of a father

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Speaker 2: or you know, male father figure in the home, the

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Speaker 2: numbers are stratisperic stratospherically high. And by the way, that's

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Speaker 2: true across all races. But in this case, we know

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Speaker 2: these two individuals were black. The chance that they do

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Speaker 2: not and obviously engaged in a horrific act of mass violence,

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Speaker 2: the chance that there's no father in either home is

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Speaker 2: very high.

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Speaker 3: And the data also reflects. And I always think I

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Speaker 3: think Anne addressed this, by the way too. I always

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Speaker 3: saw clips of it, but she meant, yeah, to leave

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Speaker 3: out she lays that, let's play that cut forward, but

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Speaker 3: right before we play cut four, the data actually reflects.

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Speaker 3: And I find this fascinating that young boys struggle more

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Speaker 3: with the absence of a father in the home than

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Speaker 3: young women do. So single parent households often with women

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Speaker 3: raising the children and having to do both the.

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Speaker 2: Role of dad and mom.

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Speaker 3: Girls probably because I would guess psychologically there's a strong

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Speaker 3: female figure in their home that they can look up

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Speaker 3: to and aspire and role model to. Girls actually do

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Speaker 3: far better than boys do in single parent homes. And

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Speaker 3: let's listen to Cut four. As and Culter makes that

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Speaker 3: this point, I think if we wanted to have a

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Speaker 3: real conversation in America, two juveniles opening fire at a

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl parade would be a good opportunity to actually

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Speaker 3: have a conversation about how something like this happens. Instead,

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Speaker 3: because it's two young black men, the story vanishes and

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Speaker 3: we don't have a conversation about it at all.

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Speaker 2: Listen to Cut four.

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Speaker 5: Blacks killing blacks will not get covered by the media.

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Speaker 5: That's a huge media problem out You'll all laugh at me,

536
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Speaker 5: but I'm gonna say it because I'm right right because

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Speaker 5: of this is illegitness. See, all of these young men

538
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Speaker 5: do not have fathers, and that is a huge, huge

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Speaker 5: source of it. Anything that could be done to reduce

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Speaker 5: the illegitimacy right, particularly among the black community. It would

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Speaker 5: be astronomical the changes you see. Do you know, just

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Speaker 5: one one fact, if you take away the factor of illegitimacy,

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Speaker 5: the difference in the black and the white crime right disappears.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an amazing facts.

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Speaker 2: It's it would be amazing facts. But we're true.

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Speaker 4: But it is a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Can I just so first of all, you know

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Speaker 2: that's the problem with I'll just say this with a

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Speaker 2: liberal audience, and you get this in the Bill Mahers Show.

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Speaker 2: They're clapping for what was a stupid comment, because it

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Speaker 2: is true. It is true. This is a matter of

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Speaker 2: sociology and numbers. You can look at Holmes, is there

553
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Speaker 2: a married couple in the home, and look at the

554
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Speaker 2: correlation with crime, and the data proves this very much

555
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Speaker 2: of you know, very strongly that the apps it just

556
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Speaker 2: makes sense too. So Van Jones is saying it's not true.

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Speaker 2: You know why he says that because he doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to engage in the debate, so he just says, that's

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Speaker 2: a lie. It's not a lie. What sheet What Anne

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Speaker 2: is saying here on the Bill Maher Show is accurate

561
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Speaker 2: and it is a conversation that we are not. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're a lot of natural conversations play about gun control,

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Speaker 2: video game violence, white supremacy and how that's creating all

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Speaker 2: this violence. I've met geehattists or you know, I've come

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Speaker 2: across jihadists who want to blow up buildings. I've still

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Speaker 2: never met a white supremacist. I'm not saying they don't exist,

567
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Speaker 2: but this is a rare thing, and yet we can

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Speaker 2: have natural conversations about that. But the effect that broken

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Speaker 2: families have, particularly on young men who have no role model,

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Speaker 2: who have no father figure even in the home, across

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Speaker 2: the board. You know, you look at the the sociological

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Speaker 2: research on this, it's very clear. And yet we're never

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Speaker 2: allowed to have a discussion about this because really what

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Speaker 2: the government has done is they've decided that they're actually

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Speaker 2: going to illegitimacy is subsidized effectively, and that has become

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Speaker 2: a huge component of lbj's Great Society programs today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Also, Buck, I would say this is a part

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Speaker 3: of a rature of men in general. There's this idea

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Speaker 3: that men don't matter and that masculinity is toxic. You

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Speaker 3: know what ended up happening with those guys shooting at.

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Parade.

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Speaker 3: Men ran and tackled those individuals to keep them from

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Speaker 3: firing more guns. I think we made a little bit

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Speaker 3: more toxic masculinity in America.

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Speaker 2: For young men. You know, you're raising three young boys play.

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Speaker 2: We can talk more about this, but to have a

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Speaker 2: masculine figure in their life who they respect on a

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Speaker 2: man to man level, to tell them things like you

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Speaker 2: never lay your hands on a woman, To tell them

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Speaker 2: things like you never join a group beatdown of somebody

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Speaker 2: who's helpless, or you know, you never you never try

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Speaker 2: to use violence instead of words, unless someone is trying

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Speaker 2: to be violent with you first, you can defend yourself.

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Speaker 2: That stuff comes from dads. It's very hard for a woman,

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Speaker 2: any woman, a mother, to connect with a fourteen year

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Speaker 2: old or fifteen year old boy es actually, once their

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Speaker 2: post puberty, once their postmuets, hormones and adolescents, everything kicks in.

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Speaker 3: You know, gotta have a you gotta have a dad

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Speaker 1: The Voices of Sanity in an Insane World Claye travinsad Bucks.

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Speaker 3: So welcome back, ed Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's President's Day. I don't know how many of you

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Speaker 3: get President's Day off. By the way, I don't think

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Speaker 3: I've ever gotten President's Day off in any of my

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Speaker 3: prior jobs. It doesn't feel to me like a day

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Speaker 3: that most people have off. So I would bet a

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Speaker 3: lot of.

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Speaker 2: You driving around normal.

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Speaker 3: Day to day activity today. But we are here for you.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've done this before. We've been on

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Speaker 3: President's Day. I think this is our third President's Day

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Speaker 3: so far doing this show together, good idea by Buck,

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Speaker 3: Best and worst Presidents. We're going to start on the

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Speaker 3: sunny side of the mountain, and we are going to

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Speaker 3: begin here with our best presidents. Just the top three,

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Speaker 3: the gold, the Silver, and the bronze Medalist of American

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Speaker 3: Presidential history, and I'll give you my list, by the way,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and two two eight eight two. Buck will

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Speaker 3: give you his list, and then we'll take calls on best.

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Speaker 2: Bottom of the show, will do worst. All right, my best.

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Speaker 3: I named one of my sons after him, so that's

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Speaker 3: probably a sign that he's at the top of my list.

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Speaker 3: I've got Abraham Lincoln as the best president in American

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Speaker 3: political history, number one, the gold medal winner for me,

652
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Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln. I think Buck not only a tremendous president,

653
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Speaker 3: probably also the only literary genius who has ever been

654
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Speaker 3: president of the United States. That is, back when presidents

655
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Speaker 3: actually wrote their own speeches. You go read the Gettysburg Address.

656
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 3: You go read Abraham Lincoln's second inaugural address. It is

657
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Speaker 3: poetry of a level that does not exist in American

658
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Speaker 3: politics today, and it came directly from the pen of

659
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Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln. He is my favorite of all the presidents.

660
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Speaker 3: So now, actually, should I go one, two, three or

661
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Speaker 3: should we go back and forth?

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Speaker 2: Let's go back and forth? All right, who do you have?

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Speaker 2: Number one? It's it's it's boring, but the goat is

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Speaker 2: still the goat. George Wah It's like the movie that

665
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: started the whole franchise put it all in motion. Incredible

666
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Speaker 2: to hold the army together and then become president and

667
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: then understand that he had to be what the nation

668
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: needed him to be at that point in time, and

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Speaker 2: then to walk away from it and to just I

670
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: mean what he did. The combination of military and then

671
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: political acumen and skill that he brought to bear is amazing.

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00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: And also the personal courage too. We don't think about

673
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Speaker 2: this that often. A couple of things go differently. George

674
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Speaker 2: Washington is hanging by his neck from you know, from

675
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Speaker 2: a yard arm somewhere like yea. You know, things people

676
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: forget this, Like that guy was really taking real risks,

677
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: not just on the battlefield, but you know, they could

678
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: have captured him off the battlefield anyway. All the British did.

679
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: The British were shady back then. Now we think of

680
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Speaker 2: them because of just crumpets and the crown, but back

681
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: in the day they were they could be very mean.

682
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Speaker 2: All right.

683
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Speaker 3: Number two for me, I'm seconding your number one. George

684
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: Washington set the precedent. We just laid it out. Why

685
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Speaker 3: I've got Lincoln one Washington too. Who do you have

686
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: to oh? I go, Ronald Reagan. Oh that is strong.

687
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Speaker 2: I look defeated the evil empire of the Soviet Union.

688
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how I don't know how much better

689
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Speaker 2: you could to me the people that prevent because this

690
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: is going to be a thing on the on the worst. Three.

691
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Speaker 2: If you're a president who helped prevent mass death and destruction,

692
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Speaker 2: I feel like that gets you. That gets you a

693
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: lot of browdie points, right, That gets you really far

694
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Speaker 2: in life. And so I think, yeah, for me, it's

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Speaker 2: it's Ronald Reagan at number two, and I think I'm

696
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Speaker 2: gonna surprise you with my number three. All right.

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Speaker 3: My third is, uh is I think Thomas Jefferson you

698
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: talked about to me the foundation bucks wrinkling his face

699
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: when you look at the history of Jefferson for the

700
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: Declaration of Independence and then the Louisiana which I think

701
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: is probably the single most significant and consequential act of

702
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: any president in office to buy that. Remember, and I've

703
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: talked about the Lewis and Clark expedition and how much

704
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: I loved it.

705
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you a big James Monroe fan? James

706
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: Monroe doesn't get all the love that he deserves.

707
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: I think, well, I'm not anti James Monroe. I'm pro Jefferson.

708
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 3: So my top three Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, little bit old.

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Speaker 2: School, I get it.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is on this list prior to what eighteen sixty

711
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: five for me, but those would be my trio of

712
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: the best ever American presidents.

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Speaker 2: All right, who's your third? I mean, I just I

714
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Speaker 2: like to throw Monroe in there just for topic of conversation.

715
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: He's not a top ten guy for me, but you know,

716
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: he's kind of a badass in his own way. There's

717
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: some really good stuff. James n. Row doesn't really get

718
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: the respect that he deserves. You know, was a personal courage. Anyway,

719
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Speaker 2: He's he's probably in like the twenty to thirty or

720
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe fifteen to twenty range for me of presidents.

721
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: But I just was thinking about him as you're talking

722
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: about Lisiana. Purchase. Number three is Calvin Coolidge. Silent cal

723
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Speaker 2: just don't mess it up. Let the American people do

724
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Speaker 2: what they do, don't be a tyrant, don't get us

725
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: into crazy wars, don't mess things up. I think I

726
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: think cal if you're looking at the vision of the Founders,

727
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: it's a president who doesn't do too much. Doesn't mess

728
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: things up. Let's prosperity Rain, Let's peace Rain. I think

729
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: cal Calvin Coolidge should get a lot of love, all right.

730
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Speaker 3: Should we take a couple of calls here and get

731
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Speaker 3: some more of our So you got our top threes.

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Speaker 2: He's the only president, So for those of you're saying, no,

733
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Speaker 2: that's crazy. He's also the only president who went to

734
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Speaker 2: Amhers College. So I feel some affinity for him because

735
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Speaker 2: I I used to party in Coolidge Dorm named for

736
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Speaker 2: him because he was in AMers College.

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Speaker 3: I will say this, your top three is going to

738
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Speaker 3: set tugs wagging way more than my top three. In

739
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: my top three, most of you out there, nobody's really

740
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: going to be like, oh my god, I can't me.

741
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson amazing, talented, founding father, brilliant, all that stuff.

742
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: Once the French Revolution comes along, though, if you read

743
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: that Jefferson he was like an MSNBC watcher at that point.

744
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: He had lost it, my friend, he was really uh.

745
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: He didn't get what was going on over there in

746
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: a big way. And he was also very nasty to

747
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Speaker 2: John Adams. He was just what Secretary of State during

748
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Speaker 2: the during the French Revolution, right, I believe I'm remembering

749
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Speaker 2: that correctly. Yeah, But as president, he was a big fan.

750
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Speaker 2: Even as the guillotines were wrapping down, chopping off heads.

751
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: You know, wasn't good. Wasn't good, folks. I hate to

752
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Speaker 2: be the one that says it, but I don't love

753
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Speaker 2: Jefferson the way some of you le.

754
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Speaker 3: I got people, I got people fired up. We were

755
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Speaker 3: talking about best generals. Now I've got Washington at two

756
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: overall is my president. But George Washington was a pretty

757
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: mediocre to bad actual battlefield general.

758
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a good general. If you think of

759
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: America as an insurgency, he's a bad general if you

760
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: think of wins and losses in combat in the field.

761
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: Every battle that he basically fought almost for the entirety

762
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Speaker 3: of his political career. But he kept the revolution of

763
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Speaker 3: the military together. Yes, in a way that I think

764
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: the odds of him being able to do that under

765
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: those circumstances, with the lack of resources they had, was

766
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: near miraculous. So that's the part of it that, as

767
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: we see with insurgencies, if you can just keep it

768
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: going for better, for worse than a lot of places

769
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Speaker 3: for worse. But if an insurgency can keep going. Much

770
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: more powerful militaries can be defeated. And also, I would

771
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: say maybe the most important precedent that Washington set was

772
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: giving up power unheard of throughout the annals of history

773
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: for someone to have the ability, Washington could have become

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Speaker 3: a dictator.

775
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: And ruled for the rest of his.

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Speaker 3: Life if he had so desired. Instead, he said no,

777
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: and he went back to Mount Vernon, which is unheard of.

778
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: John Adams, I think, you know, he started he started

779
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 3: to think a little bit, a little bit too highly

780
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: of himself, you know, whereas Washington understood a degree of

781
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 3: humility even as the father of the nation.

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00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: So to speak, was necessary.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I would wonder on some level

784
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Speaker 3: Buck whether partly Washington not having sons of his own. Uh,

785
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to get into the genealogical aspect.

786
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: So I'm reading now because I'm a nerd all about

787
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: the British kings and I've just always wanted to kind

788
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: of know that history. I'm back at the twelve hundreds

789
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 3: right now, so I'm way back.

790
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: He really wants to bring he really wants to build

791
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Speaker 2: our UK audience on on podcasts.

792
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in the twelve hundreds right now reading about

793
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: all the British kings, and uh, the degree to which

794
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: I do wonder psychologically if Washington had had three or

795
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Speaker 3: four sons, would he have been interested in trying to

796
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: pass that power on down to them? Would his thought

797
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: process have been different, because I do think he would

798
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: have ended up and could have been if he had

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Speaker 2: I'll throw this out there. We're going to take best

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Speaker 2: presidents now in the call. So we'll take the best

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Speaker 2: more fun, worst presidents of all time, worst presidents, and

804
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Speaker 2: will take worst presidents calls then, So best presidents now

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Speaker 2: coming up here in a second.

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Speaker 2: amazing years and then had a pandemic and the deep

865
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: state and things came together in a way that made

866
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: year number four very difficult. What's up.

867
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 3: I'm just going to take a shot at historians in general,

868
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: and you'll see this on my own list buck. Historians

869
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: are good at looking at the historical picture.

870
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: Right.

871
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: When you compare things from the seventeen eighties to the

872
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: eighteen forties to the eighteen eighties to nineteen twenties, you're

873
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: looking at eras in which you personally were not involved.

874
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: So there's almost a dispassionate lack of emotionalism that involves

875
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: being a historian that does not apply to current analysis.

876
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: I think you make an important point, like when you

877
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: see John Meacham going on MSNBC. Yes, the guy has

878
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: written some very celebrated biographies of presidents from hundreds of

879
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: years ago. John Meacham does not know more and has

880
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: no greater wisdom or insight about politics today than I do,

881
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: than Clay does, or than any of you. He's just

882
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: a guy with opinions like everybody else, and he's super

883
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: emotional about those opinions. I think he's I think he's run.

884
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I actually have lost a lot of faith

885
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: in his books, just because I know he's a man

886
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: of poor judgment and no wisdom. But put that aside

887
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: for a second. All right, worst worst presidents all time?

888
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: And this, you know, this is uh. I think my

889
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: list is pretty solid. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna do it

890
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: in reverse orders, So from least awful to most awful,

891
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: I go LBJ. It's my number three, because I think

892
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: he's done more to destroy America in the last seventy

893
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: years than you know. You could say, Oh, but what

894
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: about Obama. Obama was just pushing further a lot of

895
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: what LBJ put into motion, plus Vietnam lynnon Baines Johnson,

896
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: I think one of the three worst presidents of all time.

897
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: I would say Woodrow Wilson is my number two for

898
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 2: really a first of all, entry into First World War,

899
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: the most really brazen suppression of free speech, certainly in

900
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty years or so. When he did it,

901
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: you have to go back to the Alien and Sedition Acts.

902
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: So he was an authoritarian, he was a progressive internationalist.

903
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: He was a huge racist and got us into the

904
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 2: First World War. A lot of Americans died in that war.

905
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: The whole League of Nations thing collapsed. World War Two follows.

906
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: Mass death was the result of Woodrow Wilson's idiocy. So

907
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: that's why I shouldn't even say idiocy in tow and

908
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: bad ideas. And I think you got I mean, this

909
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: is probably you might share this with me. Number one

910
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: worst president all time, I go James Buchanan, because you know,

911
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: let us right into the Civil War and that was

912
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: an abject catastrophe in terms of loss of life and

913
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: on all the rest of it. Now, maybe you could say, well,

914
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: without Buchanan, you can't have Lincoln, right. I mean it's

915
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, almost like people play their role in history,

916
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: good or bad. That's my three. So Buchanan's the worst

917
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: Wilson is number two, LBJ number three, Clay, who do

918
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: you give us?

919
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: All?

920
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: Right, So this may.

921
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: Be unfair and uncharitable, but William Henry Harrison died after

922
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: thirty one days in office. Didn't choose to die, obviously,

923
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: I've got him as my third worst president.

924
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: Again.

925
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: He got pneumonia, supposedly at his inaugural address. He dies

926
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: thirty one days later. You can argue, okay, he didn't

927
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: do drastic damage, but you only make it thirty one days.

928
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: I've got William and Henry Harrison Third, Lyndon Baines Johnson

929
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: LB I've got second and a little bit. For what

930
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: you said, Buck one, The Great Society, I think, if

931
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: you look at the data now has overwhelmingly blown up

932
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 3: in Americans' faces.

933
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: We were talking earlier in the show.

934
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 3: You go look, for instance, at the percentage of single

935
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: parent households that existed before.

936
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: The nineteen sixties. It was almost unheard of.

937
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: If you go look at the data of the number

938
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: of kids being raised in single parent households prior to

939
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, it didn't exist by and large across

940
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: any racial group. Since the nineteen sixties, it has exploded

941
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: and then you add in the Vietnam War, the disaster

942
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: that it was the fact that obviously he was only

943
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: in office what was it five years after the assassination

944
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: of John F.

945
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: Kennedy the decision. I think there may be a historical

946
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: and now with the way that LBJ.

947
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: Said I will not seek and I will not accept

948
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: the nomination in nineteen sixty eight, I think there's a

949
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 3: Joe Biden congruency there on some level. And then the

950
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 3: worst president of all time, I have James Buchanan, and look,

951
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 3: I'm a Civil War history nerd. The fact that James

952
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: Buchanan allowed Remember you didn't get inaugurated back then, Buck

953
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 3: until March of the year after you were elected in November.

954
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: So a lot of people don't think about that from

955
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: a historical context. It was difficult to get to Washington,

956
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: d C. The inaugural process, But you're talking about basically

957
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: six months from election day until the new president got inaugurated.

958
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: I happen to think even now, we have too long

959
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: between when the election takes place in November and the

960
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: inauguration that takes place in January. I think that's still

961
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 3: too long. I think we should get somebody in office faster,

962
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: so you don't have as long as a lame duck presidency.

963
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: But back then you went basically six months, and the

964
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: entire country collapsed on his watch, by and large, in

965
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 3: the six months between when Lincoln was elected in November

966
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: of eighteen sixty and when he took office in March

967
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: of eighteen sixty one, basically the entire Civil War, the Secession,

968
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: all of that movement took place while James Buchanan was

969
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: sitting lane duck in the presidential office. I didn't put

970
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 3: any current presidents on my list for what I just said.

971
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair to judge somebody until it's

972
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 3: been fifty years after their presidency and have an accurate

973
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: reflection on what they did or did not do. Now,

974
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: if you wanted me to rank presidents of my life,

975
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: you could rank, and I could rank the presidents of

976
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: our lives. But I think it's harder in real time

977
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: to assess the impact of a presidency. I think you

978
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: need at least fifty years to objectively look at it,

979
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: for the passions of the moment to subside, and for

980
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: you to be able to look at the real impact

981
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: of what exactly the presidency did.

982
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: Or did not accomplish. Is there anyone who gets for

983
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: you honorable mention, honorable the worst list on the worst list?

984
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean yes, but they would be uh when

985
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 3: you look at it. I mean part of the problem

986
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: is most presidencies have a part of good and bad.

987
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: I think that FDR deciding to basically give a huge

988
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: percentage of the government and entitlement programs put them in

989
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: place has been a ticking time bomb that we're only

990
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: now starting to reflect.

991
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that you can make a

992
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: case that the most controversial in the sense that on

993
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: the one side he is revered and on the other

994
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: side he, at least by those who know, is pretty despised,

995
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: would be the legacy of of FDR. And I would argue,

996
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: I just gonna say, they think of him as a hero.

997
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: Somebody else you have no I was gonna say.

998
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: The FDR angle that I think makes it challenging is

999
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: he got World War Two eventually, right, So when you

1000
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: balance out the FDR presidency, now Harry Truman comes in

1001
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: at the end and actually closes it out.

1002
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's tough. We had What is

1003
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: it that he did in the Second World War that

1004
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: another president in his shoes would not have We got

1005
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: caught and happened right, We got caught.

1006
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: Hits people argue that there was even an intentional desire

1007
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: to allow the Japanese attack in nineteen forty one. There

1008
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 3: is a conspiracy theory out there that we intentionally overlooked

1009
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: some of the warnings there.

1010
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: I think I think that there's a lot of rewriting

1011
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: of FDRs, well, everything about FDR, and you look at

1012
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: the legacy of FDR on the Second World War. We

1013
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: had we had Nazi submarines off the coast of New

1014
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: Jersey and Long Island. We had Japanese submarines off the

1015
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: coast of californ We had the Japanese seas I believe

1016
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: it was Atu Island in the Illusion chain, just to

1017
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: take us soil. We obviously had the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

1018
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: If the Nazis, I mean, this is a whole Sorry,

1019
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: we're about to start the big World War two discussion

1020
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: now on the show, which will go on for many hours.

1021
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: If the Nazis had moved a little faster on some

1022
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: of their military projects jet propulsion, missile technology. Obviously, we

1023
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: look at the Manhattan Project. Now everyone's talking about Oppenheimer

1024
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: because of the oscars and all that, it could have

1025
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: gone very differently in some ways. I don't know that

1026
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: FDR gets credit for we got attacked. Now we have

1027
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: to actually fight back against the people who attacked us.

1028
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: If you had the full might of the American industrial

1029
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: machine and the American people to call upon. There was

1030
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: the whole interment of Japanese Americans, which is, you know,

1031
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: that's that's a kind of a black guy on American

1032
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: street piece, you know, putting people that don't do anything

1033
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: wrong in the camps. It's bad. And I think then

1034
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: you also look at the the increase of the size

1035
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: of the federal government, the state itself, and also making

1036
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 2: the Great Depression go on longer.

1037
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: All right, well, we can't positives for you, Buck, two

1038
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: guys that are off mind. I want to be positive here.

1039
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: Eisenhower and Truman don't get necessarily a lot of attention.

1040
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: Truman really in the rebuilding of Europe and the Marshall

1041
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: Plan and everything associated with that, making what I think

1042
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: is one of the toughest calls in the history of

1043
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: the United States that we were going to drop the

1044
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: bomb in Japan. Eisenhower, you go look historically Buck for

1045
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: a two term president. I'm not sure anybody has ever

1046
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: been more popular as President of the United States than

1047
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: Eisenhower was almost universally bulig and.

1048
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 2: Actually moved the ball further when it was harder on

1049
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 2: civil rights than later on. LBJ came in when it

1050
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: was actually politically expedient for him to do what he did.

1051
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's a whole other I.

1052
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: Got the interstate system done. I mean, Eisenhower, what he

1053
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: was able to accomplish in the wake of World War

1054
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: Two was pretty frigging incredible. The worst coming up from

1055
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: all of you, We'll take calls.

1056
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: On the worst.

1057
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: Uh and uh Ali's given me an easy transition. Gerald

1058
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: Ford played football at the University of Michigan, and UH,

1059
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,240
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1063
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,120
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1064
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1065
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1066
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1067
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: gonna smoke some people.

1068
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1069
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,840
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