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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephman

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Speaker 1: Never Told You, a production of iHeart Radio. And recently

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Speaker 1: we had an episode where we talked about book banning,

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Speaker 1: specifically what's going on in the United States right now

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Speaker 1: with book banning, which is a lot. But as we

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Speaker 1: mentioned in that episode, book banning has quite a long history,

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Speaker 1: quite a long history, and it's pretty telling. And in

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Speaker 1: that spirit, we do have a classic all about banned

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Speaker 1: books for you to give you more context in this conversation,

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Speaker 1: So please enjoy. Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: From housetop dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and today, by listener requests,

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Speaker 1: we are kicking off a two part Summer book Club

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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve series, and we're talking about saucy

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Speaker 1: books books. We've discussed romance novels before, the genre unfortunately

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Speaker 1: women's literature popular fiction this summer. The title that everybody's

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Speaker 1: talking about is we gotta say it, Caroline, It's fifty

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Speaker 1: Shades of Gray. Yeah, And as I was just telling Kristin,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even really know what this book was until

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Speaker 1: about a month ago. Yeah, and there was a specific

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Speaker 1: request also for our summer book club series do not

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Speaker 1: be about fifty Shades of Gray. So don't worry, We're

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Speaker 1: not about to talk about you know what some might

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Speaker 1: not really appreciate in terms of erotic fiction, that is,

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Speaker 1: fifty Shades of Gray. But all this fifty Shades of

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Speaker 1: Gray buzz got us thinking about books that are hard

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Speaker 1: to get your hands on, and specifically book banning in

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Speaker 1: the US, because I think today in the information age,

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Speaker 1: and going back in history to as far back as oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know for fifty BC. What happened in four

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Speaker 1: fifty BC? Well, Carol on a guy named Anaxagris an

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Speaker 1: axe Gorris, thank you, Okay, we'll just run with that.

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Speaker 1: A guy with a not easily to roll off the

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Speaker 1: tongue name Anaxagoras. He wrote some stuff and people did

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Speaker 1: three Socrates was required to drink poison for supposedly corrupting youth,

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Speaker 1: leading them to criticize Athens again, what's going on with

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Speaker 1: you Greeks? But I mean seriously, like, as long as

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Speaker 1: Anaxagoras got got so much guff because they thought that

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Speaker 1: he was being derogatory to the gods. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 1: kind of theme of offending people's religious sensibilities is certainly

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Speaker 1: something that we still see with book banning today, and

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Speaker 1: But the efforts in Boston were really led by the

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Speaker 1: for sure. In nineteen fifty three, for instance, Senator Joseph McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: wanted to ban Slaughterhouse Five by Kurt Vonnegut, A Go

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Speaker 1: and it basically established a three point test for scinity.

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