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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one, st

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Speaker 1: and Tan the show. We're joined again by outdoor writer

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Speaker 1: and Illinois bow hunter Don Higgins, and we're discussing in

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Speaker 1: detail his plans and tactics this year for targeting to

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Speaker 1: potential two class bucks. Okay, so real quick, before we

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Speaker 1: get into the show, I want to put a little

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Speaker 1: disclaimer in here, or maybe we'll call it an explainer,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but here's the thing, as you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hearing a little bit. A big part of our discussion

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Speaker 1: today is about one man's goal and plans for trying

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Speaker 1: to kill a two buck this year. And before we

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Speaker 1: get in this conversation and which we do talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about big antlers and high scoring bucks, I just

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Speaker 1: want to preface this whole deal by offering a bit

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Speaker 1: of opinion. My opinion, and it's that I think we

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Speaker 1: should all be careful to remember the inches aren't everything.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is easy to get caught up in

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Speaker 1: the whole antler craze and scoring bocks. But if you

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Speaker 1: go too far down that path, or if you go

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Speaker 1: there too soon, I think there's a real risk of

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Speaker 1: lessening your enjoyment of the hunt, or devaluing or disrespecting

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Speaker 1: in some ways the animals that you hunt. We're losing

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Speaker 1: sight of some of the other very important aspects of hunting. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with scoring

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Speaker 1: deer or getting excited about the score of a buck,

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Speaker 1: or setting your own personal goals for deer hunting by

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Speaker 1: using score in some way. That's all well and good,

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Speaker 1: and I do that sometimes too. I'm more so caught

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Speaker 1: shooting everyone, just not to get too caught up in

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Speaker 1: what everyone else is doing, or what other people are targeting,

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Speaker 1: or what other people are shooting. And I also don't

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Speaker 1: want us to forget the other aspects of deer and

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Speaker 1: hunting outside of antlers. Yes, big antlers are beautiful, they

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Speaker 1: are rare, they are just playing cool. I dig them

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Speaker 1: just as much as the next guy. But we need

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Speaker 1: to be careful not to go too far sometimes on

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Speaker 1: that front. Now, as we get into today's conversation, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear us dig into these very thoughts and more

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Speaker 1: detail with Don, and I think he does a really

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Speaker 1: nice job of explaining his own unique perspective on this too.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to make sure these ideas are

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Speaker 1: mentioned right at the top as well, not an hour later,

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Speaker 1: because I just want you to keep this in the

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Speaker 1: back of your mind as we continue through this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Anglers are great and fun and a cool way to

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Speaker 1: set personal goals. But meet and challenge and experience and

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Speaker 1: camaraderie and new places and new memories. Those are great

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Speaker 1: and fun and very very important as well. So with

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Speaker 1: all that said, uh, I will kick it back to

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Speaker 1: our regularly scheduled programming now, and we do have a

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Speaker 1: pretty long intro today, f y I somewhere around thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: so if you're new to the show, you are welcome

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Speaker 1: to skip that and move right into our interview with

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Speaker 1: Don and Deer running tactics and all the good stuff

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking about. But be warned if you do that,

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Speaker 1: you'll be missing out on some very interesting news. So

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Speaker 1: here goes all right, Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by sit K Gear and today we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Don Higgins and outdoor writer and Avid

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Speaker 1: Illinois bow hunter and a three time past podcast guest here.

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Speaker 1: So today Don's going to discuss with us two pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting topics. First, we're gonna talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: e h D, which is a disease that many of

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Speaker 1: us fear in the late summer and early fall and

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Speaker 1: starting to pop up across the country. And Don his

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Speaker 1: a little bit, So we're gonna chat about that with Don.

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Speaker 1: And then secondly, Don has got a potential two hundred

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Speaker 1: going to dive deep into the story of that Buck,

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Speaker 1: his plans, his tactics, his strategies, everything he's hoping to do,

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Speaker 1: planning on doing this season after that Buck, that's what

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Speaker 1: we want to break down, try to hopefully pick his

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting. But before we bring down

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Speaker 1: on Dan Johnson, Mr co hosting, Mr host, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: by telling you it's some big news to share ye

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Speaker 1: right right, I have bigger news to share today. Oh, like,

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Speaker 1: is it like good news or bad news? Depends on

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Speaker 1: over the past few years. Some might say bad. But

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Speaker 1: I'm serious. I'm joining the club. Ship We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a baby, no ship. Yeah, holy shit. Yea, this would

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Speaker 1: But no, this is the first time her hearing of this. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had to make sure you got the full effect.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, man, congratulations, man um, thank you buddy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where babies come from? Now now we know where they

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Speaker 1: come from. It was a big surprise, but we figured

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Speaker 1: it out. That's awesome. Yeah, pretty pretty crazy. I hate

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Speaker 1: so I hear. Yeah, it's gonna be Uh she's a

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Speaker 1: a February baby. That's good timing. Yeah, yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: So here's the question, like, have you known for a

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Speaker 1: I've known since May. Okay, all right, So we've known,

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Speaker 1: we've just been keeping it quiet. You know. They say

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Speaker 1: talk about it now. So wow, that's awesome, dude. Now

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Speaker 1: on a serious note here, I bitch about my kids

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Speaker 1: and you know, complaining them, but it's all for good fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to absolutely love whatever it is. Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's stressful at times, but having having

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Speaker 1: Like it's like I could sit here and talk to

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Speaker 1: feel like we should make this parenting episode. Well that's

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Speaker 1: I have like four pamphlets on my desk here of

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Speaker 1: in a big river valley, so just muley's a lope

424
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: and white tails. But there's definitely other places where I've

425
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: been where I have seen moose while out moose and

426
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: elk while doing these drives. I'm sure I could see

427
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: some elk if I went a little bit up into

428
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 1: the mountains a little bit more, not even in the mountains,

429
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: still in the hills a little bit um, because they

430
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: definitely are down in the valleys right now too. Um.

431
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is my first deer drive while I've

432
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: been out here, so I'm gonna go out here in

433
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: the next few nights. And unfortunately these aren't deer I

434
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: could hunt. This isn't we're camping. We're camping in a a

435
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: different place than where I'm going to be able to hunt.

436
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: Where I'm hunting is still kind of far away. But

437
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: this is just for fun. This is just for fun. Yeah, perfect.

438
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: So that said, from from everything I've seen and and

439
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: know about these two other areas I'll be hunting the

440
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: one that I hunted last year and the other spot

441
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 1: that's new. It should be pretty comfortable to this. So. Um,

442
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: speaking of bucks, Yeah, I uh, I got my Ohio

443
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures checked. Finally. I know you sent me

444
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: a couple of them, and I'm that that one. Did

445
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: you post a picture of that one yet that you

446
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: sent me? I posted a picture of one of them,

447
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: the really big like eight pointer. Okay, yeah, the picture

448
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: that you sent me. I think it's the same buck.

449
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: Look like the one I told you. He looks like

450
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: he's thirty inches wide. Like he just looks really really wide.

451
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: I that to me is like I don't care really

452
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: about too much about numbers, like, oh that's a booner

453
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: or whatnot, but that buck is huge and just looks

454
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: cool character wise. Oh yeah, he's a he's a stud.

455
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: There's a He's probably the best buck that we have

456
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: on camera. Um. And I actually looked through pictures we

457
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: have him last year too. Um. But he was a

458
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: buck that we never really saw during the season. We

459
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: never actually saw him in person, but we did get

460
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: pictures of him a couple of times during the season.

461
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: A lot in the summer, um, so he could be around.

462
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: There's another buck. Um that's a nice ten pointer, a

463
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: little smaller than this one, but still pretty nice. He

464
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: was on camera a lot last year. Um, but none

465
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: of the bucks like that we knew that we had

466
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: named in that we've seen in past years. I don't

467
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: have any of those bucks back. Um, but I've got

468
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: mm hmm, like four or five different for sure, nice

469
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: mature bucks. Um, you know, from like onet to one

470
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: sixty or somewhere around there. Um. So so yeah, some

471
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: good ones. Uh. There's a really really big seven pointer actually,

472
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: um not you know, nothing to matter, it's not gonna

473
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: score all that well, but supermature and it's a cool

474
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: looking buck. So that's cool. Um. And you just never

475
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: know what shows up throughout the season. So so long

476
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: story short, it's a nice bucks. It's good to see

477
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: there will be some good prospects this year. Not I

478
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: didn't see my booner that the booner before thirty. I

479
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: don't think there's one of those on camera yet. But

480
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: they're there, always a chance in that neighborhood. So that's right.

481
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: I when when you sent me that, I was starting

482
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: to think about your property and because earlier this year

483
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: and even into late last year, you guys didn't have

484
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: too much for you know, bucks that would stand out, right,

485
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: and you didn't have too many of an older age

486
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: class on that farm. Well, we we have pictures of them,

487
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: we just weren't seeing them, Okay, So nocturnal, Yeah, a

488
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: lot of nocturnal activity. Um. Now when I went back,

489
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: and the thing is, you know, we just didn't get

490
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: down there very often. So we hunted it opening weekend

491
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: last year, and then we didn't go back down until

492
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: the rut, and then we hunted for like our week

493
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: during the rut, and then I filled my tags. I

494
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't go back the whole season. Josh just went back

495
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I think just one time. Um. So we weren't checking

496
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: cameras all that often. Um. But now that we've you know,

497
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I've looked through all the pictures and stuff. There's still

498
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: a lot of nice old bucks that are coming through there.

499
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: But but yes, most of it was dark. Um. And

500
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, like we've talked about the past, it's just

501
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: like you have a lot of really really slow days

502
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: and then ever once in a while though, you have

503
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: a giant come through. Right. Is there a is there

504
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: a dough group that calls that property home. There is

505
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: there's at least two there's two pretty good dope betting

506
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: areas where there's always a family group on that property.

507
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: So so yeah, there's at least that No, Okay, cool, Well,

508
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: at least you got some perspective or some whatever that

509
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: work is prospects, prospects. There we go. I'm an idiot.

510
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: We've got we've got prospects. So and yeah, like I

511
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: talked about last week, you know, I think I'm just

512
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna take it easy there, waited it out and see

513
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: what I can see. Um, and who knows, you never

514
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: know what can show up done. But you know, even

515
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: though I you know, last year or last week I

516
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: kiddingly talked to I want to shoot a booner this year. Um,

517
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: if one of these really big mature bucks comes by,

518
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's pretty darn hard to pass on

519
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: a deer like that because that's that's a great buck.

520
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: And they don't they don't come by easily. So right,

521
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, if I'll send you these other pictus a

522
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: couple other picks. I just Josh has been uploading them

523
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: up to like up into the cloud, and I've just

524
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: been paging through them today, so I just got finally

525
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: got to look at a lot of these, So I'll

526
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: send you a few more, and I'll post some stuff

527
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: online too for people to see. We got to name

528
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: these bucks, though, because these aren't bucks that I've um,

529
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, we've not really seriously followed them in the past,

530
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: so we haven't named them. We don't really know him

531
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: too well, but but I do have some pictures I

532
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: can look back at now and start to try to

533
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: figure them out a little bit. So the fun will

534
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: begin owner City too. Maybe do you cringe every time

535
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: I opened my mouth, like just a tiny bit in

536
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: my heart like skips. I'm like, oh gosh, what now?

537
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Why do I keep this guy around? Uh? Man, you

538
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: make me laugh? Mr Johnson, I will give you that. Well.

539
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: We we need to we need to shut this sucker

540
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: down real quick because we gotta get Don on the

541
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: line with us here. So, um, no more baby talk,

542
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: no more Ohio buck talk. It's time to talk to

543
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Don about some giant Illinois bucks. So let's take a

544
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: break for our siest story and then we'll get Don

545
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: Higgins on the line. For this week's sit of story.

546
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: We're joined by Montana wild Zach Boughton, who tells us

547
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: about a memorable high country mule deer hunt where you

548
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: tagged out in the last week of the season. One

549
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite hunting moments was a couple of falls ago,

550
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: last week of season. We're trying to find big mature

551
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: mule deer buck, and we went back to a spot,

552
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: but I just kind of had a gut feeling was

553
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: going to produce. Had never seen a big buck in

554
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: the area, and got there early temperatures were dipping down

555
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: just below zero, and we just slowly started climbing the mountain,

556
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: trying to hike slow so you don't get too sweaty.

557
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Definitely glad we had the right layers for that day

558
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: and got up on the mountain and and made a

559
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: decision to keep going. I had thought about going back

560
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: down the mountain. I hadn't seen a lot of game.

561
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: And next thing you know, we come through the timber

562
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: look up on the hillside and here is just a

563
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: big four point mule deer buck, exactly what I was

564
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: looking for. Got down. The buck had no clue I

565
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: was there, put it behind his shoulder and squeeze the trigger,

566
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and that was the end. Of it and walking up

567
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: on that buck was probably four or five years worth

568
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: of time spent in the mountains to try to find

569
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: that buck, and it was super reward and that's probably

570
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: one of my favorite moments from the last couple of years.

571
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: Super demanding hunt and spent a lot of time on

572
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: the mountain looking for a buck of a certain size

573
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: and maturity that we honestly had never laid eyes on

574
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: before I filled my tag on Zack's hut. He was

575
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,240
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576
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577
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578
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: sicky gear dot com. All right, we are back now

579
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: with Don Higgins. Welcome back to the show down. Well

580
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: thanks for having me again. It's always a pleasure, absolutely

581
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: we h you might be our first four time guests,

582
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: so you are in what you are in rare company

583
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: because I think you're the only one there. So we

584
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: we have enjoyed chatting with you in the past, that's

585
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: for sure. I live at the bottom of the barrel,

586
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: so if you're always faith in the bottom of the barrel,

587
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna find me, you should. You should at least

588
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: get him a gift basket for being a four timer.

589
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: That's the least we could do, right, well, well done,

590
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: other than scraping the bottom of the barrel. In life,

591
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: How are things going for you this summer? Fantastic. I've

592
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: waited thirteen years to have another two to hunt, and

593
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I may actually have to this year to go after

594
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: one of the box is definitely over two. The other one.

595
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: I haven't got a real good picture of him yet,

596
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: although I do have several pictures, but he's always at

597
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: a distance, and I know he's bigger than last year,

598
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: and last year he's in the one eighties, so you

599
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: know there's a good chance that he could hit two

600
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: hundred as well. And then the real world widlife products

601
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: has just exploded in the last year or so, so

602
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: you know things are going fantastic there as well. That's yeah,

603
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: I'd say that's pretty good to that's and that's that

604
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: is one of the things we want to talk to

605
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: you about today, because you mentioned that to me earlier,

606
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: this little earlier this summer, and my my game plan

607
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: here done in a little bit, is to try to

608
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: grill you in as much detail as possible to understand

609
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: how exactly you're gonna hunt those deer, that deer or

610
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: both of them. Um, but you mentioned that, you mentioned uh,

611
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: real life, real I'm gonna get my words on next year.

612
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned something that I want to make sure we

613
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: touch on because with your company, you have some things

614
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: going on related to some concerns that people are talking

615
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: about right now related to e h D. And there

616
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: have been reports of e h D popping up already

617
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: this summer that I've seen in Kentucky, in Pennsylvania, and

618
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and Dan, you've been hearing about some stuff in southern Iowa, right,

619
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: you have some rumblings. I I talked with a guy

620
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: earlier today and there's no e h D on his

621
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: farm as of now, but he had it real bad

622
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: the last time there was an outbreak. Yeah, So so

623
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: what are you hearing on that front and down around

624
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: by you? Any reports of h G. Well, I've only

625
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: heard a couple here in Illinois, but Kentucky seems to

626
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: be getting hit pretty hard at the And you know,

627
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the h D typically starts in the southern states, and

628
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: I know for a fact they were having it, uh,

629
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: you know light down in Texas, Oklahoma, in June, and

630
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's slowly moved north as a summers who

631
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: are on so it's around I'm sure that you know,

632
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: we've we've got probably what two months before we have

633
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: a at least a month and a half before we

634
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: have a frost probably to imagine that. So I'm sure

635
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: we haven't heard the worst of them. It's just getting

636
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: fired up here in the Midwest, right right. It does

637
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: seem that usually it's it's a little bit later in

638
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: the summer early fall when you start hearing about the

639
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: worst of it. Um is he h D something done

640
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: that you can for people that aren't familiar with the disease,

641
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: that you can speak to a little bit of the

642
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: basics about. You know, if if someone hasn't already heard

643
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: about exactly what this is, could you fill them in. Yeah,

644
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm certainly no expert on the h D. But the

645
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: h D is a virus that's usually fatal. The white

646
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: tails I have spread abiding midge nap um. It's worse

647
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: than on hot dry years and drought years. The midge

648
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: and at breeds in the mud along the shores of water,

649
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: especially stagnant water, you know, along pond banks and such

650
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: and in dry years, as these water sources dry up,

651
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: um the deer concentrated around the remaining water and and

652
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: it's just the perfect breeding grounds for the midge gnat

653
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: that carries this virus. So that's why it's worse on

654
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: those years. It's almost always fatal, but not a d

655
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: percent of the time. But the thing it is a

656
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: lot of the deer that that do survive or are

657
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: left in pretty poor shape and later succumbed to other

658
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: issues such as pneumonia or things like that. So in

659
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, when we had the worst drought that

660
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I can remember in my fifty plus years, we had

661
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: a terrible e h D outbreak in the Midwest. Uh,

662
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: in my area locally, it's just about wiped up here.

663
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: We literally had less than of what we had the

664
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: year before as far as a deer heard. And it's

665
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: made to come back in the five years since, but

666
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: it's still is not to the level at well for

667
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: that HD outbreak. So the worst thing we need now

668
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: another setback before the herd is fully recovered around here. Yeah,

669
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, I feel like so many people

670
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: across the Midwest experienced that tough two thousand twelve. I

671
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: know by me in Michigan, it was really bad. I

672
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: know some properties where people found, you know, thirty dead

673
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: deer and their properties. Um, some of my really good

674
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: friends there, their places were just decimated and they're still,

675
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: like you said, still kind of recovering. Now. UM. I

676
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: know some spots not too far from you, Dan in

677
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: south central Iowa allowed those places down there got hit

678
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: really hard. I mean, to your point done, I don't

679
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: think anyone wants to have another setback like that. So

680
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: fingers crossed. I don't know I checked this last week.

681
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I haven't checked since last week, but um, you know

682
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: you can go online and you can see the drought

683
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: monitor map for the whole country and where the worst

684
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: drought is and stuff. And I did see that there's

685
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: some very serious drought in south central Iowa and then

686
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: um Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana. That section of

687
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: the country there's some very significant drought. Um. It's not

688
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: quite as bad to the to the northeast or the

689
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: southeast as it has been in some past years, but

690
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: there's definitely some pockets where you could see that happening.

691
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: So I know there's a lot of people concerned, especially now,

692
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, I saw some people posting videos from Iowa

693
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: with some bucks that looked like they might have it

694
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: that we're just kind of walking around in the middle

695
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: of the road, um, in bad shape, And you definitely

696
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: don't want to see that, right Yeah, because once it hits,

697
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's here here in the area, and until

698
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: the frost killed that Midge Matt, it can just totally

699
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: wipe out the herds and small localized areas, right it.

700
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: And so I mean, after two twelve, I feel like

701
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: so many people were talking about h D because of

702
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: what a significant impact it made. Um, everyone's been talking

703
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: how how can we you know, what can we do

704
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: about it? You know, how can we his hunters try

705
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: to prevent it? Um? And up until this point, I

706
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: haven't really heard of anything that can really be done

707
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: to to try to deal with it, I know. Um.

708
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, Mark Drewy talked to me earlier this summer

709
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: about the fact that he was concerned about h D

710
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: up by him, and so his idea, him and I

711
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: think Grant Woods had talked about it. An idea they

712
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: had was to try to, you know, to try to

713
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: deal with the implications of drought they put out a

714
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: bunch of water tanks like all over the properties, water

715
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: everywhere to try to reduce that you know, congregating effect

716
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: that you mentioned where all the deer go to the

717
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: few limited places of water, and then that's also where

718
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: these midges are breeding. So one idea he had just

719
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: try to put put out supplemental water sources everywhere to

720
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: try to minimize that. I don't really know how that's

721
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: worked out for him since, but that was one idea

722
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: i'd heard of. UM. But I know that you with

723
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: your company, you've been kind of looking into and possibly

724
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: have something that can help with us too. UM. I'm

725
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: curious to learn more about it because I don't know

726
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: much about it yet. UM. I'd love to hear what

727
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: you guys have been working on and how you think

728
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: it may may be able to help. Yeah, it's a

729
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: product we call Expect Healthy Deer Technology, and we at

730
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: Real World did not come up with with this product.

731
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: In fact, it's kind of an interesting story. We had

732
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: a seed testomer in Iowa that's been loyal to our

733
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: brand for several years, and then two years ago or

734
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: maybe a little longer than three years ago, maybe we

735
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: came out with a deer mineral, and uh, you know,

736
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: we did an email blast promoting this deer menteral, and

737
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: and this customer from Iowa contacts this and says, Hey,

738
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: I love your seed and I'm going to continue buy

739
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: your seat, but I'm not going to buy your mineral

740
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: because I've been getting this dear mineral I really like

741
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: from this livestock nutritionist in Missouri. And he said, you

742
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: really need to meet this guy because he came up

743
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: with something to combat the h D and you really

744
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: need to meet him. And I just kind of blew

745
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: it off. And this customer kept calling, you know, every

746
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: couple of months or so. You have you met the guy?

747
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: He hat, I gave you his number, Did you call him? How?

748
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: We haven't? And you know, I was very skeptical and

749
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: just kind of blew it off at nothing. And he

750
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: was talking to the nutritionists as well, to tell him him,

751
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: you need to meet these guys from real world, and

752
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: I bet they can market your product for you. And

753
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: he was just blowing the guy off to you know,

754
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: and finally, out of more out of into our customer,

755
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: we met with the nutritionist and you know, he gave

756
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: us the spell about what he had done actually in

757
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, his area in northern Missouri was

758
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: hit really hard with the h D and that fall,

759
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: you know, he was hunting and seeing almost no dear,

760
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: and he was just contemplating if he was sitting in

761
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: a stand with nothing else to do because there was

762
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: no deer walking by, he was contemplating how he could

763
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: leverage his knowledge of livestock tricition that possibly combat the

764
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: h D and white tails. And he started experimenting, and

765
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: he had a buddy down the road that raised his

766
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: captive there, and he would experiment with some of his

767
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: concoctions on that Guy's heard and expanded a little bit

768
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: by the time we finally met with him, and and

769
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: through a series of meetings, we ended up getting the

770
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: marketing rights to it. Um he pretty much had the

771
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: formula perfection to that point, and but we told him

772
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: when we signed the marketing agreement that we was not

773
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: taking it to market just based on his word. Not

774
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: that we didn't trust him, but you know, we wasn't

775
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna put our reputation on the line until we had

776
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: done some testing of our own, and so we set

777
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: up some Captive heard some tests, and Captive Heard last

778
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: year in ten different states, you know, from Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas,

779
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: up through Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, through the Midwest

780
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: and into the South a little bit. And uh, we

781
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: tested about it was on about thousand captive deer in

782
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: those ten states and various herds, and not a single

783
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: deer was lost to h D. UH last following those

784
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: herds that was getting it. And but the thing of

785
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we wasn't sure if they would

786
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: have been lost even if they were not fed the product,

787
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: because we didn't know if they heard, you know, I'd

788
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: been infected. Last year wasn't a real bad year for

789
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: h D. So this year we really expanded the testing

790
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: and I mean we've got it. Uh, there's probably ten

791
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: thousand captive deer right now on the products. Now. We

792
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: went down to my partner and I flew to Dallas,

793
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: Texas back in April at a big deer farmers or

794
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: deer breeders event down there to talk with people and

795
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: gets product. The Texas Deer Breeders Kill Off got on

796
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: board with us UH to help us test it. And

797
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: to make a long story short, you know, I was

798
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: extremely skeptical at first and in fact, there was nobody

799
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: more skeptical than I was, so so skeptical that I

800
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: didn't even contact the the nutritionists who developed it for

801
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: months and months after hearing them. But I'm telling you what,

802
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: the reports we're getting this summer just totally blot away

803
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: even my expectations or hopes for the product it were.

804
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: It's being fed right now, and the herds that already

805
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: had e h D, they were already, you know, dragging

806
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: dead deer out of the pens before they ever started

807
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: on this product. And the phone is literally ringing off

808
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: the hook now from captive deer leaders that that are

809
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: wanting to get their hands on this stuff. And you know,

810
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: we probably shipped two semi loads of this stuff and

811
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: it's used like a hundred pounds of it in a

812
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: ton of deer feed, so it's pretty concentrated. And we've

813
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: sent like two semi loads this stuff just to Texas.

814
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: And we've also got a note home. We got all

815
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: the way across the south of Florida. There's a test

816
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: being done at the University of Florida on it UM

817
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of snowballed. We did that. We

818
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: commissioned a test at the University of Minnesota earlier in

819
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: the year and one of the leading virologists in the country.

820
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: UH test product in the lab and found that there

821
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: was two ingredients in the product that killed the live

822
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: v HD virus within two hours in the lab. Now

823
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: how that translates into live dear, we don't know, but

824
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: but I can tell you I was a little bit.

825
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: I was pretty excited about that, and that's what really

826
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: got people's attention. But that is nothing compared to what's

827
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: happening these deer fans uh Um. Last week, for example,

828
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: that I had a guy from Alabama call and he

829
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: was so excited. He said, you guys don't understand what

830
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: you've got here. You better you better buy a bigger

831
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: male to make this stuff, because you've just cured cancer

832
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: and white tales. And I want to stress that's his word,

833
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: is not mine, Um, But we are extremely excited about

834
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: what we're here, and just in the past three or

835
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: four weeks, and and actually, if you have talked to

836
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: me a month ago, I was still somewhat skeptical, but

837
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: my skepticism over the past two or three years has

838
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: been slowly replaced with optimism. And right now my skepticism

839
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: is very, very low because the reports just keep coming

840
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: in daily. And it's not just from one person in

841
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: one state. I mean, it's across the entire South basically

842
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Florida, Georgia. Those states have been

843
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: dealing with the h D for the past two months.

844
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: Well we're just now starting to see it the Midwest,

845
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: and uh not, I'm telling you we got a game

846
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: changer here. I think we're going to know a whole

847
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: lot more. Uh you know, later in the fall, after

848
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: the h D season is over, everyone that's every captive

849
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: deer breeder that's feeding the product now is going to

850
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: be surveyed, uh you know, to see exactly how many

851
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: deer they did lose the h D when they started

852
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: feeding the product and when the deer died in relation

853
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: to you know, how many days after they started feeding

854
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: in things. But uh, it's it's just looking fantastic at

855
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: the moment, Huh. I mean, it's it's certainly interesting. And

856
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean I obviously by no means and with all

857
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: due respect, um, but just given the fact I don't

858
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: know a whole a lot about it, this is by

859
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: no means an endorsement in any way but it's interesting

860
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: to hear about because I know so many of us

861
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: are concerned about e h D. And if, if you know,

862
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: if what you guys are studying this summer continues to

863
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: show such positive results, I think that is very exciting

864
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: for everyone. UM. Now here's a question. I don't know

865
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: if I don't know if this is something you can

866
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: answer yet or not. Um, but if this is applied

867
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: to a wild deer herd, you know, as an average

868
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: deer hunter have enough property I can hunt and I'm

869
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: concerned about h D. And if it turns out that

870
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: the studies continue to show this does seem to have

871
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: an impact, do you have any idea of what kind

872
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: of scale I need to have as far as or

873
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: how long? How long do would I need to be

874
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: feeding this to the deer? What type of scale I

875
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: mean does this need to be? I mean, am I

876
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: dumping out hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pounds of this?

877
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Or I don't know those questions you can answer yet?

878
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: Are are we still kind of figuring things out? Well?

879
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: The real challenge is going to be you know, I

880
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: think at this point I personally am convinced that it works.

881
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: Now to what degree it works. I don't know. I

882
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: don't know if we can we save fifty of the

883
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: deer that what otherwise died. Can we save of the

884
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: deer that but otherwise died p h D. I don't

885
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: know what the percentages, but I am absolutely convinced we

886
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: can save deer. The challenge is going to be, like

887
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: you mentioned with a wild deer that you know, they've

888
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: they've got to consume the products, and we really don't

889
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: have the answers to how much they need to consume

890
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: and how often they need to consume it because the

891
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: tests we're seeing this year is kind of this summer

892
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: and the captive heard it just kind of blown our

893
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: thoughts out of the water. You know, we thought that

894
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: they were going to need to be on it for

895
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: thirty to forty five days ahead of the h D

896
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: season to load up their systems, but we're not seeing

897
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: that in the captive deer. I mean, guys are losing

898
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: deer the h D and they're they're starting to hurt

899
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: on it, and the deaf losses are are stopping a

900
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: whole lot quicker than what we expected. So I mean

901
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot more unknowns and moans. But the

902
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: one thing we do know is that it's working to

903
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: some degree. So have you guys done an official test

904
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: where you put a deer with c w D tested positive?

905
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Excuse me e h D. Excuse me, a deer with

906
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: e h D isolated him, put that, put the mineral

907
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: in the pen with him, and then fed him a

908
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: certain amount of days, and then he was cured the

909
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: next like however many days later. Well, I don't think

910
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: we're ready to say we've done that, but we've got

911
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: reports from some of these guys that are, you know,

912
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: have the captive herds, that the deer are absolutely coming

913
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: down with d h D, absolutely not going off seed,

914
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: not anything, and pulling out of it within a matter

915
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: of two or three days. If the guys that are saying,

916
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, if I would have seen that last year,

917
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: and my dear fan, I would have known one that

918
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I was going to be burying that deer the next day.

919
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: The next day, I'm going out there and I can't

920
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: tell that the deer was sick except for some drooling,

921
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: you know, out of its mouth and stuff. And within

922
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: three days you can't even tell that there was ever

923
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: sick and never stopped eating or anything. And again, I'm

924
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: just sharing some stories, and I don't want anybody to

925
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: take this as I'm saying this is what's gonna happen.

926
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot that we don't know, but but

927
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you that it's working to some degree. Yeah, yeah,

928
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it's I think it's it's

929
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting, and I think to your point, there's a

930
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of unknown still, but help me as intrigued, help

931
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: me as intrigued. So I would love to follow, continue

932
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: to follow the reports and what results you guys get back.

933
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, as your tests start to

934
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: come through and and more is better understood, I think it's, uh,

935
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something very interesting. So so keep us

936
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: posted on that done. And I appreciate you sharing some

937
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: of these kind of early results and thoughts on it

938
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: so far. I know a lot of people will be

939
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: interested to hear about this and and hopeful that there

940
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: is something that's going to be, you know, proven to

941
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: be super helpful in the future. So I got my

942
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: fingers crossed for you. Yeah, we're absolutely gonna put out

943
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: the test results. Uh, you know, I don't know how

944
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: long it's gonna take to get all the surveys in

945
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: and you know, winning h D season is going to end,

946
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: but we're hoping by the end of the year we're

947
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to put out a report that says,

948
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen, this product was fed to you know,

949
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: X number of captive deery and next number of states,

950
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: and an X number of herbs, X number of animals

951
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: were lost to e H d UM and then share

952
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: some of the level stories from the various captive deer

953
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: farmers that that set it um. You know, I never

954
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: would have even if I would have heard the stories

955
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: that I've heard in the last two or three weeks,

956
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: I would just blowing them off, because I'm telling you,

957
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: at the beginning, I was as skeptical as anyone. And

958
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: I understand people's skepticism. I mean, I've heard it, and

959
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: there's not hardly a day goes by that I don't

960
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: get an email or something on Facebook from somebody saying,

961
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: no way, it's snake oil. This man. I understand that

962
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: a hundred percent because it just seems too good to

963
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: be true. But right now it certainly appears that's the

964
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: way it's aheaded m Well, so is this treated treated

965
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: like an antibiotic where they they you know, get it

966
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: in their system and it creates a h an immunity

967
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: to to that or is it does it kill it? Well,

968
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: we're not sure. It's not an antibiotic. It's all natural.

969
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: So there's no FDA regulations or anything. Uh. Anybody can

970
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: buy it. Anybody can feed it, UH, at least on

971
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: in states towards legal um. It can be fed in

972
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: mineral or in feed. We're even looking at some other

973
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: options of how to get it into the deer. But again,

974
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: there's just so many unknowns that I hate making statements

975
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be held to him later

976
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: if something proves out different. But you know, I can

977
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: just tell you it's working to some degree. And and

978
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: then then and then there was that the University of

979
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota test that did show that it did kill certain

980
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: ingredients in the product, did kill the virus in the lab.

981
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Correct that that's true, right, Yeah, And that's correct. And

982
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: you know it was developed basically to to work in

983
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: three ways. First of all, to repel the midge, and

984
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: that to keep the deer from getting in the first place.

985
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: And that's not always possible, but if you can prevent

986
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: some of the differ from ever getting the virus. Uh,

987
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: then you don't have to worry about treatment or curing

988
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: it or whatever. And then uh, it enhances the immune

989
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: system to the point that you know, the deer is

990
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: able to fight it off. And there's there's also products

991
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: in there that they help with the heat dissipation so

992
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: that the animal, you know, they get the h D

993
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: they fever real but that's why they die in the water.

994
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: They get such a high fever they go lay in

995
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: the water to cool off. That's wally end up dying.

996
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: And there's there's properties in the in this product that

997
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: will help with heat dissipation to keep the animal cool.

998
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: And you know, we're not sure to be honest, you

999
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: know which one of these modes of action is the

1000
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 1: most effective, but all we know is working. H. Well,

1001
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm interested and uh let's let's definitely check in down

1002
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: the line, and uh, we'll definitely be interested in some

1003
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: updates on what you do see throughout the rest of

1004
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: the summer and hopefully hopefully there'll be some good news

1005
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: for deer herds across the country. I certainly would like

1006
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: to know a solution, So that said, though done, UM

1007
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: E h D is kind of a downer. I think

1008
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: for most of us, nobody wants to hear about the

1009
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: h d um, But most of the most people do

1010
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: want to hear about really big bucks, especially two inches.

1011
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: So you say you've got to potential two inches on

1012
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: the radar this year? Is that right? Yeah? I do. Uh.

1013
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: And both bucks I have a long history with. One

1014
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: of them is seven and a half this year and

1015
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: the other one six and a half. But they're two

1016
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: totally different animals. One of them, if they're both alive

1017
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: October one, when season opens, my odds are killing one

1018
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: of them are about are over probably over. My odds

1019
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: are killing the other one are probably less than five. Um.

1020
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: Just one of them is a real home body. He's

1021
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: got a small core area where he lives. It's on

1022
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: a property only I'm allowed to hunt. He's visible quite regular.

1023
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: I've seen him three times in the past month and

1024
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: really have a been a lot of time looking for him,

1025
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: get his trail camera pictures. Pretty regular. He's where he's at,

1026
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: he's living where he's been since he was two and

1027
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: a half years old, and doesn't travel far. A lot

1028
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: of daylight movement on that buck. Last year I passed

1029
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: him five times as a five and a half year old.

1030
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: Got video footage of Baldo's um and you know, he's

1031
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: actually the biggest buck I ever let walk. Last year,

1032
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: I thought he would probably score in the low one

1033
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: eighties when I was passed him. But in this spring

1034
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: I found his sheds and he actually scored right at one.

1035
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: And the only I don't want anybody to think that

1036
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: that I'm passing one D nine in bucks. If this

1037
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: would have been an older buck, um, you know, I

1038
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: still felt this buck could get bigger, which he did

1039
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: this year. But he was also living on a property

1040
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: that only I can hunt, and I knew he was

1041
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: a homebody, not ranging for and that's why I let

1042
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: him do. If I buck would have been on another property,

1043
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: he's got shot for sure. So I kind of to

1044
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: throw those disclaimers into here to not mislead anyone to

1045
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: think I'm passing up hunter ninety ins deer all the time,

1046
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: because that just at the case. Uh the other buck,

1047
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: and I call that buck the first buck Smokey by

1048
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: the way, and then the second buck is Trump. And

1049
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: some people have followed my Facebook blog post about Trump

1050
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: haven't written one this summer. Yep, Well, last year I

1051
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: was getting his pictures. They were always at night, but

1052
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: I would get them pretty regular. Now this summer's he's

1053
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: still there. I've got two or three I think it

1054
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: was three times. I've got his photo of three different days,

1055
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: but they were always at a distance. He was never

1056
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: close to the camera. He's become real camera should I

1057
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: have this summer the site where I was getting his

1058
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: his photo about once a week or twice a week

1059
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: last year. I've not got a single picture of him

1060
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: there this year, but he's, you know, just across the field.

1061
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: That's where I've got his picture three times, so I

1062
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: didn't know he's in the same area. Last I figured

1063
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: he was probably about a hundred eighty and low one

1064
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: eighties buck, and I know he's put on more points

1065
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: this year. I've been able to count from the three

1066
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: pictures that I've got it, I've been able to count

1067
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: at least eighteen points. Um long times. Not as white

1068
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: as smokey, but a real long times. Um. He very

1069
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: well could be pushing two hundred inches too. But like

1070
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I said, he's gonna be a very very tough buck

1071
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: to get. If if I kill that buck, it's gonna

1072
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: be luck ten percent skill. So hope I got luck

1073
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: on my side. Yeah. If you could pick which dear

1074
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: would you rather kill this year? Oh, I guess Trump

1075
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be so difficult and smokey. I think

1076
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: you'd survive another year where he's at so but Smokey

1077
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: right now is probably two inches and what's his what's

1078
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: the inches? Is that just a massive typical frame or

1079
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: does he have some non typical junk or what's what says? Look,

1080
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: he's a five by five typical frame. He's got four

1081
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: G two really deep forts on both G twos and

1082
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: one of his brows has a little split on so

1083
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: he's got thirteen points in all. But you know his

1084
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: sheds last year he had four times over twelve inches

1085
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: as long at time with fourteen and as I gave

1086
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: him a twenty three inch inside spread. Uh man, And

1087
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: if you want, I can send you a video clip

1088
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: that maybe you could post on your site with this blog.

1089
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: Let me passing him last year, and he he looks

1090
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: every bit that big when he comes by too. But uh,

1091
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: he's just a big frame, pretty much typical with him

1092
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: four G twos. Uh, it's vagin old buck. When I've

1093
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: been waiting a long time to find. Yeah, bet Dan, Dan,

1094
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: what would you do if a ninety class buck walked

1095
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: by you and I told you couldn't shoot him? Kick

1096
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: your ass out of the tree standing ship? Yeah? That

1097
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: sounds about right. So it's okay, here's kind of what

1098
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. And Dan, you're gonna have to

1099
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: help me think about how we can ask these questions

1100
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: and everything. But I kind of want to like walk

1101
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 1: you through a hypothetical season done. So I'm gonna like say, Okay,

1102
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: let's say it's this time frame, what are you thinking about?

1103
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And then I'm gonna say, okay,

1104
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: what if he survives that and he makes to the

1105
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: next part of the season, what are you thinking about?

1106
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I kind of want to walk

1107
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: you through a hypothetical year hunting these two bucks, and

1108
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand like how your strategies would change,

1109
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, what the plan is you currently have in place, etcetera, etcetera.

1110
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of my idea for this. UM. So, so

1111
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: I guess to start though, um, can you lay out

1112
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: what your summer or what your offseason scouting has been

1113
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: like for these two deer? Um, you know, whether it's

1114
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: being the summer or in the postseason, or you know,

1115
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: what have you done up to this point this year

1116
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: to prepare for this hunt? That's what I want to

1117
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: know about. First. Well, I spent a lot of time

1118
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: in the spring um looking for She had antlers from

1119
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: both bucks, and I found both sheds from Smoky, but

1120
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: I didn't find either from Trump, And it just kind

1121
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: of fits with their personalities. One's been very difficult, one's

1122
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: been very easy. Um, especially in Trump's area this spring.

1123
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: Has spent a lot of time trying to gain access.

1124
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: He covers a wide uh you know home range. Uh.

1125
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: Last fall I got his picture two pictures, seventeen hours apart,

1126
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: three miles apart. So in seventeen hours he traveled at

1127
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: least three miles. So I spent a lot of time

1128
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: in that range just trying to pick up a little pieces.

1129
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: It's it's open farm country pretty much, with just little

1130
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: wood lots here and there, fence rows here and there.

1131
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: Just looking at every possible option and someting new stands.

1132
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: And he's pretty much proven to me that I'm gonna

1133
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: have to throw him. But he's not used to the

1134
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: only two daylight pictures I got to him were in

1135
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: Both of them were in mid January, and both of

1136
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: them were in the middle of the day. I think

1137
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: one was like twelve fifteen, you know, right afternoon. Noah

1138
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: was like one thirty afternoon. Those are the only two

1139
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: daylight pictures I got everybody, But they were both from

1140
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: the same location. I did put a tree stand at

1141
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: that location, obviously, but I've been looking at it just

1142
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to throw him a curved ball. I'm

1143
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna do something weird, and I believe he's probably already

1144
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: aware of every stand I've got in his range. So

1145
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: I've got some new stands that I'm just gonna stay

1146
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: out of having away from until the time is right.

1147
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: Let slip in and try to hunt him. There is

1148
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: that buck? Is that buck? Then not living off? Is

1149
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: his core area not your farm? And he just kind

1150
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: of cried there every once in a while. Yeah, his

1151
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: core area is is not my farm. It's not a

1152
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: place I have exclusive from it. And four he's his

1153
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: real worlds. Yes, Yeah, tough tough to hunt a buck

1154
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: like that. So you've you've hundled newstand when you do,

1155
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not trying to say, do you do

1156
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: any serious like on the ground postseason scouting, like trying

1157
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: to better understand how dear using these properties where they

1158
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: might be vetted, where they might be traveling through, or

1159
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: do you already have such a good solid understanding of

1160
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: these spots, um based on history and based on kind

1161
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: of habitat, you know, improvements, maybe you're making, Um, what's

1162
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: that look like for you? Well, Smokey, where he lives,

1163
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: I know his area like back to my hand, and

1164
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: he does every buck has ever done, it's been on

1165
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: that property. He's staying in the same spot he's bet

1166
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean exactly the same place and the just every

1167
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: mature bucket that lives on that property over the years

1168
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: has done the same thing. So that's why I'm so

1169
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: confident and killing him and just you know the fact

1170
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: that he don't leave Trump. On the other hand, he's

1171
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: led me in the new new areas I've never hunted before.

1172
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: So you know, when I found him last summer, I

1173
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: knew he just first from that area in the fall,

1174
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: because I had his trail camera pictures since two thousand

1175
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: and twelve, and and I would quit getting his picture

1176
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: of about the first week October. So I knew about

1177
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: the first week October when the crops would come out,

1178
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: he was moving somewhere, but I didn't know where. So

1179
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: most of the last season, you know, I spent moving

1180
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: trail cameras trying to figure out his home range. And

1181
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: as I found him, you know, he was leading me

1182
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: into new areas I've never hunted before, which meant that

1183
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: I had to get permission from new landowners and and

1184
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: just basically was starting from scratched with him. But it's

1185
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a real challenge even even lay eyes on

1186
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: that buck. Yeah, okay, So let's take a quick break

1187
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: here before we go any further for a word from

1188
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: our partners at White Tailed Properties and and today's producer,

1189
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth has got a guest for our segment

1190
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: here today. He was going to talk with us about

1191
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: a very different hunting situation than what we've been to

1192
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: discussing so far this week with white Tail Properties. We

1193
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: are drawn by Blake Farah, a land specialist out of Texas,

1194
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: and Blake gives me telling us about what white tail

1195
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: hunters should know before planning at Texas hunt. You know,

1196
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: I think the probably one of the biggest misconception I

1197
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: guess about hunting in Texas is that they've seen one

1198
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: or two hunts on TV and they assume that's the

1199
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: entire state of Texas. And I would tell you that, Uh,

1200
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, one of the great one of the greatest

1201
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: things about hunting in Texas the massive amount of diversity

1202
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: that you have depending on your geographical location in the state,

1203
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: So you can have any different experience as far as

1204
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: white tail hunting goes all across the state. It kind

1205
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: of functions as four or five separate states entirely according

1206
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: to habitat, location, topography, terrain. Uh, you know, all of

1207
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: those things that you would kind of classify the Midwest

1208
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: or you know, even farther out west doing some elk

1209
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: hunts or something like that. And Texas has such a

1210
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: big diversity of things is that you can really find

1211
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: really whatever experience you're looking for, and just driving two

1212
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: or three hours in any given direction, you can have

1213
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: completely different types of hunting. I'd say the main regions

1214
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: of Texas can kind of break down into what everybody

1215
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: knows is South Texas is kind of South San Antonio,

1216
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: characterized by the classic South Texas brush country, big wide,

1217
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: tall white tails, very mature you can have great age

1218
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: structure because the ranches are huge. You've also got kind

1219
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: of the Panhandle where it's more of the kind of

1220
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: the Kansas Oklahoma strain of white Tail, a little bit

1221
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: more of the river break country, big draws, big cuts,

1222
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: wide open country. You've also got West Texas with huge canyons,

1223
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: um a lot more of the spot and stock type

1224
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: country out there. And then you've also got East Texas

1225
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: where you've got huge timber and you've got large timber

1226
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: stands and you could actually have and grow some crops

1227
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: and have some tillable and uh, you know, just a

1228
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: huge diversity across the state. If you'd like to learn

1229
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: more or to see the properties that Blake currently has

1230
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white Tail properties dot com. Backslash farah,

1231
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: that's f A R R A R. Okay, So you've

1232
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: got you've got some salad intel basically multiple years of

1233
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: both of these bucks. I guess I'm wondering as I'm

1234
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: thinking this through. Let's let's let's talk one buck at

1235
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: a time. Let's start with Smokey. So Smokey again, you

1236
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: know his habits very well in this area. You've he's

1237
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: a home body he's been there for a long time,

1238
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: you've passed him. Um. Okay, let's say it's the early

1239
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: season October one, opening day in Illinois or that first

1240
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: part of the season. At least walk us through what

1241
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: you are and are not going to be doing at

1242
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: that time of year. Are you gonna be hunting him

1243
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: at that time of year? If so, can you tell

1244
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: us where, how, how often? Um, all that kind of stuff.

1245
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: Just at that point in the season. Let's say he's alive. Yeah,

1246
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: I've got two places, two stands where I feel I've

1247
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: got a really good shot at him. And I don't

1248
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: think it matters what time of the season it is. Um.

1249
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do is hunt those two stands when

1250
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: the winds are right. And uh, I'm gonna pay a

1251
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of attention to weather fronts, um. You know, when

1252
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: the deer movement would be picked picked up from normal. Um.

1253
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: And if if we got the right weather front and

1254
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: the right wind direction, I'm going to be in one

1255
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: of the two stands, And I honestly think I'll have

1256
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: it killed before the end of October. Um. Just because

1257
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: of my past history with the other bucks in the

1258
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: area that have done the same thing, I mean, he's

1259
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: doing the same thing that I've watched other bucks due

1260
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: in the same location, and I would not be a

1261
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,479
Speaker 1: bit surprised if I don't shoot in the first hunt,

1262
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe not. It might take a couple

1263
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: of weeks, but I think by the end of October,

1264
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: if he's still a pH D don't get him. I'll

1265
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: have that buck on the ground. And I'm I normally

1266
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: don't go out on the wind like that and make

1267
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: that kind of prediction. But just based on what I

1268
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: know about this buck and what I know about the

1269
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: property where he's at, I think I can get him killed.

1270
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: Can you describe the property, like the situation like you

1271
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: mentioned that every mature buck on this place does the

1272
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: same thing. Um, can you describe you know? So what

1273
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: is he doing where? What's the area he's bettered in?

1274
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: How does he moving out of there? Like? What's the

1275
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: pattern you seem to have on this deer already? Well,

1276
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: there's a there's two different kinds of cover that come

1277
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: together the ideal spot where I think this buck is

1278
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna get shot. You've got wooded cover that that meets

1279
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: with with tall prairie grass, and then you've got a

1280
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: food plot and it's I call it all three of

1281
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: them come together. And he likes the bed in that

1282
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,839
Speaker 1: tall prairie grass. So there's there's like a funnel between

1283
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: the prairie grass and the wooded cover, and right where

1284
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: that funnels that is also the corner of the food plot.

1285
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: And it's just a killer location where you could kill

1286
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: every buck on the property at that that spot. And

1287
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, since told me the only one allowed to

1288
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: be there, I've got pretty much control over it. And

1289
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: then I just I stay away. I make sure that

1290
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: they're comfortable using that. And he's already proven that he's

1291
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: fine with moving in the daylight. I've seen him three

1292
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: evenings and so I think I went out to look

1293
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: for him four different evenings, and three of the evenings

1294
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: I've seen him, So you know he's visible. Um, he's

1295
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: not in there is nocturnal as smoke he is. And

1296
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: the stand set up is just killer. Can you elaborate

1297
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: a little bit on the stand set up again? Uh,

1298
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, not only just the specific location, but also

1299
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: I mean, is this like is this a box blind?

1300
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: Is a hang on in the air. I'm curious about

1301
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: like all the specific details of what's making this so good.

1302
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: It's actually a box line, an elevated blind there that

1303
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: that covers that funnel between the the tall paragraphs and

1304
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: the wooded cover. And also when when the deer come out,

1305
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: if if they're better than either one, either the wooded

1306
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: cover or the the tall grass, they're going to come

1307
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: out into this food plot and this corner of the

1308
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: food pot, or into the food pot that's covered. But

1309
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: this box line is just like the natural hub of

1310
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: deer coming from you know, just about every direction. But

1311
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: yet it's still I've got a fantastic access into that

1312
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: box line, whether west or northwest wind, and that that

1313
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: wind allows me to slip in undetected. But it's also

1314
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: bowling my sentence a direction that there's almost never gonna

1315
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: be there. So even though they're coming from both sides,

1316
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they're hardly ever behind me. So they're coming.

1317
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: So they're coming from your north or south and you're

1318
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: accessing from the east. Is exactly exactly yea. And what's

1319
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: what about the access route? Is it just the fact

1320
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: that it's, you know, just an area most deer aren't fedded,

1321
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: or are you sneaking in through a ditch or do

1322
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: you have some kind of like screening cover or some

1323
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: like special thing you've put together to to improve your

1324
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: access there. It's across the wide open agg field and

1325
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 1: kind of the roll of the lamb. The terrain features

1326
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: pretty much keeps me hidden until I'm right there at

1327
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 1: the barne. Okay, excellent. I mean a deer would literally

1328
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: have to be standing on the edge of that cover

1329
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: looking out to seeing me coming into that mine. Mhm.

1330
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: You mentioned you're waiting for the right wind and then

1331
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: the right weather front. Um. I can make assumptions about

1332
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: the weather front you're looking for, but can you tell

1333
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: me exactly what that what those conditions are you'd be

1334
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: waiting for, well cool for in October, you know, those

1335
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: October and cold fronts are absolutely fantastic to get those

1336
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: bucks on their feet, you know, a little bit earlier

1337
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: than they would on other days. Um. And also those

1338
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: cold fronts usually, uh, the northwest wind or the west

1339
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: wind that I need is not typical here that time

1340
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: of year, with the more south southwest, which is absolutely

1341
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: wrong for this stand. So the cold front usually gives

1342
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: me the wind I need as well as the conditions

1343
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: for the deer to be on his feet. Yeah, yeah,

1344
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: that that's a good situation to have. Now, what about

1345
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: what about Trump? Will you hunt him at all in

1346
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: the early season? And if so, what's what's the plan

1347
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: for that? Or if you're not gonna hut him in

1348
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: the early season, are you going to be monitoring him

1349
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: at all or in some way keeping track of what's

1350
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: going on there? Yeah, I've dedicated so many trail cameras

1351
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: that bucket's ridiculous. So I think half my trail cameras

1352
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: are trying to catch him and put together the pieces

1353
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 1: of the puzzle. And you know, by the way, whenever,

1354
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, last summer, he caught my eye, and so

1355
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: I went back to I used Reconic software to keep

1356
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: track of all my trail camera pictures. So I started

1357
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: looking back through previous years, and you know, it's like,

1358
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 1: what buck is this? You know, he exploded last year.

1359
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: I looked through all my my trail cam from that

1360
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: same location from the previous year, and I picked him out.

1361
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: And then I went back to the previous year. Well,

1362
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: and once I've got his once I know what he

1363
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: looked like the year before, then I can look at

1364
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: all my other trail camera locations and look for for

1365
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: him again and see you know which one of those

1366
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: locations he was at, but I'll make a long story short.

1367
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: I had his picture since two thousand twelve as I

1368
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: put the pieces together. But the problem was I only

1369
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: had him at that one location. He wasn't visiting any

1370
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: other property where I was hunting or head cameras. So

1371
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: you know last year I was, I was putting the

1372
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle together. So the thing I noticed

1373
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: as I was going through these old photos is that

1374
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, he where he ranges in the summer, he

1375
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: leaves in early October, but but he's there the first

1376
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: week ten days or so of October. So I figured

1377
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: I've got a chance there the first week and a

1378
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: half or so of October, so the days the wind

1379
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: is not right to hunting Smokey, I've got mobible stands

1380
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: at this location where I can hunt Trump, So you'll

1381
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: be hunting Trump hard. But then when the time comes

1382
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: and I probably should still be happy, and I'm gonna

1383
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: slip and try to slip an arrow and Smoky at

1384
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: another location. A tough balancing act. Yeah yeah, but that's

1385
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: why I lived for So, like I said, I shot

1386
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: my shot a two hundred and fourteen inch buck back

1387
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, and I spent the last

1388
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: thirteen years looking for another one. I want to do

1389
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: it on video next time. And I spent thirteen years,

1390
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many miles trail cameras, probably

1391
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of trail camera pictures, just searching for

1392
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: another two d inch bluck. And I found a couple

1393
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: of one nineties. And there was one I was hunting

1394
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and I just got onto

1395
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: the buck and he was killed about a week later,

1396
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: and he scored like one some mates at the Illinois

1397
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: Deer Classic that winter. But I found a couple in

1398
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: the one nineties that got killed before I really had

1399
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 1: a chance to hunt them hard. This year, I've definitely

1400
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: got at least one. Yeah, So are you are you

1401
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: dedicating your season to these two deer? I mean, is it?

1402
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: Is it tag soup or two? Pretty much? Yeah? I

1403
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: mean there there may be another buck coming that I

1404
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: don't know about now that I might might change my mind.

1405
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: But if you're asking me that question today, I would say, yeah,

1406
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: there's no other buck that I've got a photo of

1407
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: that I would put my tag on. And I am

1408
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna I am trying to get a tag in Iowa.

1409
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: So when I go Iowa, if I get a a

1410
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,919
Speaker 1: tag in Iowa, applied for one of the media tacks.

1411
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: I was unsuccessful in the first draw in the drawings,

1412
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: so I applied for a media attack, which the deadline

1413
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: to that was today, So I'll be finding out pretty

1414
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: quick from heading to Iowa. I've got a pretty hot

1415
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: tip for a good property over there, and that my factory.

1416
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: The things a little as well. But is it Is

1417
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: it Dan Johnson's place? Because I think you should hunt there. Yeah,

1418
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: she's gonna tell him, though. One of the neighbors gave

1419
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: me permission to park and walk across the line. There

1420
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: you go. The So what does what does the number

1421
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: two hundred mean for you? What is it? What is

1422
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: a two buck? By killing one or both of these

1423
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: this year? What does what does two mean? Well? For me,

1424
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, way back when I shot the first one,

1425
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: I just wanted to kill a world class buck. And

1426
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: but I wanted to do it, you know, on certain terms.

1427
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: I didn't want to shoot one on a deer drive

1428
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: he's running by with his tongue hanging out or anything

1429
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,839
Speaker 1: like that. I just wanted to shoot a world class

1430
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: buck as he's going about his business, not having any

1431
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: idea that I was anywhere around doing what big bucks

1432
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: do when they think nobody's looking. And I was fortunate

1433
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: enough to do that. And as time's gone gone on,

1434
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, I realized how rare that was, and I

1435
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: knew it was the buck of a lifetime my showing.

1436
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: But as time's gone and I look across to the

1437
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 1: hunting industry, some great hunters, some fantastic hunters, and and

1438
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: how many of them have killed multiple two hundreds? And

1439
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 1: there's there's not very many, especially when you start talking

1440
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: legit two hundreds. I mean, there's guys claiming that they

1441
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: have that if they was ever their bucks were ever

1442
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: submitted for official scoring, they wouldn't be two hundred. And

1443
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: then but there's guys that have. You know, you mentioned

1444
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: Mark Drewy earlier. He has, h Adam Hayes has. There's

1445
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 1: those guys that have, And I just I would like

1446
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: to kill at least one more to put myself in

1447
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: that elite group of company of guys that have killed

1448
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: multiple two hundreds. It's uh, like you said, rare company,

1449
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And um and and and I

1450
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: can only I have not shot anything close to that big,

1451
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: but I could assume that. You mean, when I think

1452
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: about why do I like to tarte it older deer

1453
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: or you know, when we talk about antlers. Sometimes antlers

1454
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: aren't everything. Obviously there's a lot of other things more important,

1455
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: but we are naturally I think a lot of hunters

1456
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: fascinated by them, and I think it's just I think

1457
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: when you talk about these bigger deer because of how

1458
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: rare they are, there's something special there. It's not because, oh,

1459
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: these antlers are so big, they're gonna look great on

1460
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 1: my wall. But there's also just the fact that that

1461
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 1: that type of animals such a rare, special animal out

1462
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: there's so few like that. It is the ultimate challenge,

1463
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: it is. It is that ultimate kind of I don't know,

1464
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: measuring stick for you as a hunter. I feel like, oftentimes,

1465
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: at least for me, like I'm not competing against other

1466
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: hunters to kill bigger deer or anything. I'm competing against

1467
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: myself and like just trying to become a better hunter

1468
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: every year, and looking at antlers and score, that's one

1469
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: way to quantify, you know, how how great of a

1470
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: challenge it was to try to find a deer like

1471
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: that to be able to learn that specific rare deer um.

1472
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta believe some of that stuff is

1473
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: similar to what you're feeling too, is that right? Yeah?

1474
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: And you know I mentioned the guys that have killed

1475
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: two hundred inches, dear, there's a lot of fantastic deer hunters,

1476
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean top knocks deer hunters that have never killed one,

1477
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: not not a single one. And that doesn't make them

1478
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: any less of a deer hunter. I mean they know

1479
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: less than a guy that has you hild the hit

1480
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: it on the nail on the head when you said

1481
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: how rare they are smoky. For example, even though he's

1482
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: got a rack over two, he can though smarter than

1483
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the three year old bucks really or

1484
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: four year old bucks that I've had the privilege of

1485
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: hunting over the years. And in fact, killing him is

1486
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: going to be relatively easy compared to some of the

1487
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: other bucks that I've hunted, And I founded a lot

1488
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: of bucks that you know, did score a hundred fifty

1489
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: inches that that I never got that got away from me.

1490
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: So the two doesn't prove that you're a better hunter.

1491
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a very rare animal, And that's

1492
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: the difficult thing. It's finding a two in bluck, not

1493
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: killing them, just finding a two inch block is what's rare. Yeah.

1494
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: So so back to Trump. Um, you mentioned you've got

1495
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: like a week or so window there where he seems

1496
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: to be active on that property, and you said you've

1497
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: got several stand locations that you'll hunt him when the

1498
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: wind's not right for Smoky, can you describe what those

1499
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: setups would be, the early season set up for first

1500
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: Trump would be what one or several of those look like. Yeah,

1501
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: they're basically just a little pockets that cover out in

1502
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: the middle of wide open act fields and h you know,

1503
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: if somebody would see the stand, they would think what

1504
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: that guy's gotta be to the heck would sit here

1505
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: if you're going to shoot it here? And but that's

1506
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: where he lives. That's where he spends his summer and

1507
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: until most of the crops are out, he stays out

1508
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: in those kind of areas. Um. And so I just

1509
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: basically when or went to every area and that in

1510
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: his home range in that three mile straight where I

1511
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: know he ranges the two extremes where I've got this

1512
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: picture from one end to the other and any little

1513
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: pocket of cover where I thought this would hide the box,

1514
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: This hide the box that I thought I could slip

1515
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: in and get a stand and be able to climb

1516
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: in that stand without busting any buckets. Better there, I

1517
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: put a stand there, and there's gonna be a lot

1518
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot of days that I hunt for trump and

1519
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: I don't see a single deer. That is a tricky situation. Now,

1520
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: I know what you mean to some of those spots. Um.

1521
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: I've got some friends and hunts kind of areas like that.

1522
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: In northern Ohio there's huge jumping egg fields and these

1523
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: tiny little blocks of timber in the middle of them,

1524
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: and the challenge always seems to be like just even

1525
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 1: getting in there without spooking the deer to hunt them. Um,

1526
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: are you gonna are these stands that you're accessing through

1527
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: standing corn or something? Or is it just because they're

1528
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: big enough pockets that you can get in there without

1529
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: spooking How do you manage that to get in there

1530
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: without spooking him if he's in there. Yeah, it's gonna

1531
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: be standing corn, and I'm gonna need days where it's

1532
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: fairly windy where the window covered my noise as I

1533
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: slipped the in Okay, Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, So

1534
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: so I want to move on to like mid delayed October.

1535
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna pretend that you haven't killed either one

1536
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 1: of these bucks yet. But before I guess Dan any

1537
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: early season questions for his plan before we move on,

1538
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,480
Speaker 1: I guess, so this last year was kind of warm.

1539
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: We had a warm early season with like one cold

1540
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: front that came through. Uh. And obviously the the bucks

1541
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 1: don't start getting on their feet. Their movement is more dictated,

1542
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, daylight movement is more dictated towards uh, the

1543
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 1: movement uh. And then I'm talking on the law of averages.

1544
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: Their movement is based on whether or not the does start,

1545
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, coming into heat and are ready to breed um.

1546
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: And I guess it's kind of leading up to the

1547
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: next question, that is, you know, we have a warm,

1548
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: a warm early season of warm October with you know

1549
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: maybe no uh no, uh cold fronts that come through.

1550
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: Are you still gonna go and hunt some of these

1551
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: properties or are you gonna late like do a lot

1552
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: of laying off two and just you know, even if

1553
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 1: that cold front doesn't come to the first week in November.

1554
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: Well with with Trump I've gotten that stands out that

1555
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunt him somewhere with Smoky Early. I'm

1556
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: gonna if the wind's right, I'm gonna be hunt him

1557
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: out of basically two locations. Um. And both of them

1558
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: are very similar, they just take different wind directions. Um.

1559
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: But as we get closer to the rut than uh,

1560
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be again. I'm gonna have probably

1561
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen trail cameras dedicated just to Trump if I

1562
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: don't get him this year, or maybe I can put

1563
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: a cup and more pieces of the puzzle together and

1564
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 1: be a step poster for next year. Um. But with Smokey,

1565
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of different stands in his area

1566
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: that are more rut type stands. Um. So you know

1567
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: I've probably got just off the top of my head,

1568
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: probably eight or ten other stands that once November starts

1569
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: rolling around, then I'll start hitting some of the other

1570
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: stands that are right there close to his his bad

1571
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: have a real good chance to kill him. So so

1572
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: would you say then, just to just to make sure

1573
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: I understand, if you don't get the cold fronds in

1574
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: the early season like you want, you'll you'll keep hunting

1575
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: Trump regardless, But you lay off Smokey on those spots

1576
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 1: until either the rut or you do get the coal front.

1577
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: Is that accurate? Yeah? And if if I just get

1578
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: the wind the other stand that I've got smoke I

1579
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: described the first one that the second spot is also

1580
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: another elevator blind. Uh, but it requires a southeast wind, um,

1581
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: And then that's one that I could probably get. It's

1582
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: the stand side is not quite as good as the

1583
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 1: first one, but it's still a location where I've got

1584
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot at him. And I know, honey, you

1585
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: know a time or two, um, even if the weather

1586
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: is hot, because it's a it's a spot where I

1587
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: can observe a lot of the property as well, and

1588
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, maybe pick up on something he's doing that

1589
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't expected. But Okay, now, I'm I can make

1590
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: an assumption here. But let's say let's look at the

1591
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: opposite of that situation. Let's say early actour passes and

1592
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: you did get cold fronts, You had several good cold

1593
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: fronts come through. You went to those couple stands for

1594
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: Smokey with the good conditions, with the good wind, but

1595
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: you didn't get a shot. M Maybe you saw him,

1596
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't, but you weren't able to kill him.

1597
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, later in October, let's say October

1598
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty one, somewhere in that time from the

1599
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: last third of the of the month. You mentioned you've

1600
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: got some other rut stands. Um, you've got a lot

1601
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: of different spots for Trump. Um when it comes to Smokey,

1602
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: if it's late October, you still haven't killed him, what's

1603
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: the specific strategy there? Are you still hunting the same

1604
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: early season stands because you're working off of that kind

1605
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 1: of bed defeed patterns still or or what Yeah, I will,

1606
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: but I'll move into some of those other stands as well. Um,

1607
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: what will those look like? It's yeah, it's it's hard

1608
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: to say. Most of those are like right on the

1609
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: edge of betting cover, and I'll be hunting the down

1610
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: wind the edge of dope betting areas. But sometimes you know,

1611
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: these bucks will move into those dope betting areas too

1612
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: during the rut, al right before the rut, and start

1613
01:26:53,600 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: betting there as well. So as the season wears on,

1614
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: we get close to the red, if I haven't got him,

1615
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: I'll start hitting some of these other stands on the

1616
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: edge of betting areas and hitting that bed defeeding pattern.

1617
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Uh okay, primarily in the afternoons. I just I don't

1618
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: hunt in mornings in October, and in fact, I don't

1619
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: hunt in mornings for the first couple until about November

1620
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: five is when I really start hunting morning. And the

1621
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: reason for is I don't want to burn myself out.

1622
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: You start getting up early thirty days in a row

1623
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: and I don't care here you are. You start getting

1624
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: burned out, and I want to go as long as

1625
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: I can hunting every single morning, so I don't want

1626
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: to start too early. I usually start about November five,

1627
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: and from that point on, I'm hunting every single morning,

1628
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: And especially when you're getting there towards the end of

1629
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: November rom Thanksgiving weekend, that's a fantastic time for killing

1630
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: big bucks. Um. The thing about Smokey is is I,

1631
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: if I give him my almost feel like it's gonna

1632
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: be a mid day type deal. Just based on the

1633
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: trail camera pictures I've gotten, I think that he knows

1634
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: the game as well as I do, probably a whole

1635
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,759
Speaker 1: lot better. Um that, just based on my trail camera pictures,

1636
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: I never got a single trail camera pictures even on

1637
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: her desk. The two I got was midday or the

1638
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: middle of nine, So I think I'm gonna have to

1639
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: spend the all day and stands for him Trump. If

1640
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't have Trump by the end of October, I'm

1641
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: gonna be checking my trail cameras about daily because I

1642
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: want to thank something's happened to if I haven't laid

1643
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: eyes on him. Speaking of trail cameras, um, I know

1644
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: in one of our past episodes with you, you talked about,

1645
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,480
Speaker 1: you know the importance of annual patterns that you're analyzing

1646
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: through trail camera photos. How much of that is gonna

1647
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: How much of that factors into these two bucks too,

1648
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you've you've had observations of of Smokey,

1649
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: it's been more trail cameras with Trump, how much of

1650
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: an annual pattern from a trail camera kind of studies

1651
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: tendpoint is going to factor into all this? Well a

1652
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: lot on Smoky you know, he's not changing. He's one

1653
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: of those bucks that just lives in the same area

1654
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: all year round. And as you know, I've run these

1655
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: trail cameras for years and years on multiple properties, And

1656
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 1: what I see is about fifty of the bucks will

1657
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: have a summer range and a fall winter range, and

1658
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: they'll shift. It may only be they may only shift

1659
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the range a mile or so, but but they do

1660
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: shift a little bit. And the other pretty much stay

1661
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: at the same spot year round. And and that that range,

1662
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: when they stay, it varies in size, and Smokey just

1663
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: happens to be one of those bucks that steams stays

1664
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: in the same area year round, but it's a very

1665
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: small area, which makes him pretty easy Trump. On the

1666
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,799
Speaker 1: other hand, you know, I'm looking at trail camera pictures

1667
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: hard now where he was at last year on a

1668
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: certain date this year, I'm going to be there on

1669
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: that day. Even if I got this picture night, I

1670
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: gotta assume that still, you know, fairly close. But you

1671
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: know I mentioned those, uh. I got several pictures of

1672
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: him during the rut, the same spot where I got

1673
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: his daylight pictures in in January, but he was coming

1674
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: to at night every time I'm going to be spending time,

1675
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: and I know he spends time in the rut there

1676
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: and I know there's several does to stay in that area,

1677
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: so I've got pictures of him working scrapes. Last year

1678
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,839
Speaker 1: he broke a time, so I assumed he was fighting

1679
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: to do that. Um, so I assume he's taking toward

1680
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: in the rut. So during the rut, I'm gonna be

1681
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in that area, um where

1682
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: he was in the rut last year. You know, the

1683
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: hot dog can change the game and in in thirty seconds,

1684
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: be having the worst season of your life. And here

1685
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: comes a hot dough in that bucket was off turnal

1686
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: up to that point. All of a sudden, he's on

1687
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 1: his feet. Daylight. You gotta be there. It's only capitalized.

1688
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: So my my hopes are that I killed Smoky right

1689
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: out of the gate, leaves me one buck tag and

1690
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: I can just focus solely on Trump and not have

1691
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: to worry. Should I'll be over there hunting Smokey because

1692
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: I know I got a better chance to kill him.

1693
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: It would be kind of that's gonna be kind of frustrating.

1694
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: It may happen that way, but you know, if I've

1695
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: only got one tag and one buck, I can focus

1696
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: on my energy on that, and uh, it makes a

1697
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:30,679
Speaker 1: little bit easier now when you're hunting, you know, one

1698
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,520
Speaker 1: specific buck on either these two areas. Um, how aggressive

1699
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: or not would you get with things like calls or

1700
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: decoys or rattling, you know, because those sometimes can be

1701
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of a high risk, high reward type proposition. So,

1702
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: since you've got such a tight homebody with Smokey, is

1703
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: that something where you would you'd rather not risk spooking

1704
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: him in any way and just know that he's gonna

1705
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: hopefully stick close to home and those during those time

1706
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: frames and you can kill him eventually. Or would you

1707
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 1: get a aggressive with some type of calling or something

1708
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: like that. I probably won't get aggressive with him at all.

1709
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: I want him just to go about his business like

1710
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: he has all along. Um. You know, I'm sure he's

1711
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: smelled my you know ground oder many times is as

1712
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: he's walked through his area and I've been there, you know,

1713
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: getting stands ready or planting food pots or whatever. Um.

1714
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything to put him on

1715
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: high alert. And he knows that I'm part of the

1716
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: landscape there, really, um. And I think that's that's something

1717
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: that I've really not heard a lot of guys talk about.

1718
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But I believe the deer on on this property no

1719
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: my odor over others, because I've just seen you know,

1720
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: both those and the mature bucks not so much, but

1721
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: younger bucks for sure. And even like three and three

1722
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: and four year olds. You got video footage of the

1723
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 1: getting down window me and sticking their nose in there.

1724
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: They definitely smelled me. And they don't bolt. They just

1725
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: turned around and walk back into cover. And it's and

1726
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: I just gotta believe that they know my owder versus

1727
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: other people's owders. It's kind of like the farmer that's

1728
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: no threat to him. You know that they smell him

1729
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: day after day after day, and you know, he's out

1730
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 1: taking care of his crops and his cows and whatever,

1731
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: and they're always coming across his older and he's never

1732
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: doing anything in danger them, so they just kind of

1733
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: become accustomed to it. And I think that's kind of

1734
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 1: the situation with Smokey. I think he knows I'm there

1735
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and he just doesn't feel threatened by me exactly. And

1736
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, I've got the wooded cover on this propery

1737
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: end as well as the taller graphses are sanctuary areas.

1738
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: They don't stomp into them. But on the outside, it's

1739
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: my sense there all the time. Men the deer just

1740
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: seemed to accept that box. Now, that doesn't mean they're

1741
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: gonna walk across open country or anything, so caution to

1742
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: the wind. There's still a cautious animal, but some of

1743
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: them are a whole lot more cautious than others. Now Trump,

1744
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I probably I'm want to get

1745
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: one good hunt out of each stand, and if I

1746
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: don't get him, it's gonna be over it because I

1747
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 1: that's one shark bock. If I killed Trump, it's probably

1748
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest accomplishment of hunting career, no matter

1749
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,639
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1750
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,080
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1751
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1752
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1753
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1755
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1756
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1757
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1758
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1760
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1761
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1762
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1763
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1764
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1765
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1766
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1767
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1768
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1769
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,080
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1770
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Speaker 1: in there. UH. The protein level is a little bit

1771
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,880
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1772
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,000
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1773
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,479
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1774
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,680
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1775
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1776
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1777
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1778
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1779
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1780
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1781
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1782
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,360
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1783
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1784
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1787
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1788
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,560
Speaker 1: either buck will be pretty incredible, but I can I

1789
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: can definitely see why the challenge is there. Um, now,

1790
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Dan on the rut side, what else do you want

1791
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: to know about Don's rut thoughts, plans, strategies there? Well,

1792
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like you know his goal is

1793
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: to get the job done before correct me if I'm wrong. Wrong,

1794
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 1: But your job is to get the job done before

1795
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: the rut hits. Right, I'm smoky for sure, smoky for sure?

1796
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: Okay um? And And because that seems to be a

1797
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: uh you're the only person that has the access to

1798
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: hunt that right, there's food plots he doesn't other than

1799
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: maybe chasing a dough, he doesn't have any other reason

1800
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:30,480
Speaker 1: to leave right right, okay um? So then what happens

1801
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: when the rut hit? Let's say, for example, the rut

1802
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: hits chaos and sues and hey, they stopped showing up

1803
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: on trail camera. B Uh, maybe you see him, but

1804
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 1: he's on a different property, or he's chasing a dough

1805
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 1: outside of your plan. Well, I should probably back up

1806
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. I mentioned that Trump shifts

1807
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: his home ran in early October from his summer range

1808
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: his fall winter range. I'm not gonna unless I've killed Smokey.

1809
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be going after Trump hard like the

1810
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 1: second half and once the October while'll start said the

1811
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 1: second half October to the first of November, I'm gonna

1812
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: lay off of him because I just don't have enough

1813
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: stands the hunt and I don't want to burn him

1814
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,759
Speaker 1: out before the rug. So if I don't have Smokey

1815
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 1: killed by saying filled the fifteenth middle of October, the

1816
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: second half October, I'm gonna be going after him hard

1817
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 1: day after every day, just to try to get him

1818
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: killed before the rudd hits, because I don't want to

1819
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: take that chance on him hooking up with a hot

1820
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: dough and going to another property and getting shot. He's

1821
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 1: just I mean, I've hit too long to hunt a

1822
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: buck like that to not go after him hard. And

1823
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I'll probably do that right up into early October or

1824
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: early November until I getting killed or something happens to him. Okay,

1825
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: even if it means leaving Trump alone. I mean I

1826
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: will early the first ten days or so, when I

1827
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: know Trump's on his summer range. Yeah, I'm gonna hunt

1828
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: both bucks. But once I feel Trump has made that

1829
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: shift to his fall winter range, I'm gonna lay off

1830
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 1: at him until the rut and go after Smoky hard

1831
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 1: until I get him on the ground for for something

1832
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: else happens to him. Now, what about um, we talked

1833
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: about trail cameras for an annual pattern standpoint, but you

1834
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: did also mention the fact that if if Trump, if

1835
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: Trump is still alive or you think he's alive, and

1836
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 1: we're later in October, you said you you'd be checking

1837
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: the trail cameras often to try to figure out where

1838
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: he's at. Now, I mean, what's your trail camera strategy

1839
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: in season gonna look like, um, are you moving? There're

1840
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna keep these cameras in the same places that you

1841
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: always do. Are those like easy to access spots or

1842
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: would you get aggressive with your cameras and move around

1843
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,599
Speaker 1: and keep looking for him, or keep trying to narrow

1844
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: things out. Well, I'm not going to be moving cameras.

1845
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: Instead of doing that, I'm just gonna take how many

1846
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: cameras I need and uh and leave them in the

1847
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: spot all seasons. Some of them are going to be

1848
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 1: in more difficult to access spots and they won't get

1849
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: checked ear as often. Maybe they're close to a tree

1850
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: stand and I don't want to put any pressure on

1851
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: that stand, So the only time that I checked those

1852
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 1: cameras is when I'm going in to hunt that stand.

1853
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: And then there's gonna be some that, you know, they're

1854
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 1: more more open type areas where I only expect to

1855
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: get nine time pictures, and I'll check those more often

1856
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 1: just to kind of get a handle make sure he's

1857
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: still alive, make sure he's still using the same patterns

1858
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: he has in years passed. Okay, here's something I'm wondering

1859
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: about in this situation. Let's say on both of these bucks,

1860
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: you still haven't killed them in the early season or

1861
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: in October or into the rut. It's not you kind

1862
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: of allude to this with Trump, But at any point

1863
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: do you start worrying about amount of pressure that you're

1864
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 1: putting on them. Like, let's let's talk about Smokey, because

1865
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 1: this is the situation where you said you would be

1866
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: hitting it hard in October because you want to kill

1867
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 1: him before the run. But let's say you hit it

1868
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: hard all through October, you still haven't killed him. Um,

1869
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: but you know he's maybe still in the area at

1870
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: any point. Do you say, I've put so much pressure

1871
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,759
Speaker 1: on this deer. I need to I'm just making it worse.

1872
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: I need to pull out and leave it alone for

1873
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: a few weeks and then hope maybe they'll give him

1874
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: daylight active again. I mean, how how many hunts can

1875
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: you get away with in that area without having some

1876
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of impact? Well, where he at, Like I said,

1877
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: I probably got to at least him stands, So I

1878
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: mean there it might be a situation where two or

1879
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: three stands. I feel I put too much pressure on those,

1880
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: and and I back away from those two or three,

1881
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I'm gonna back away from the

1882
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: other you know seven or eight that's left. Um. For example,

1883
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: in in Smokey's area, I've got, uh three stands that

1884
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: require an easterly wind. We don't get many easterly winds.

1885
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, we get an easterly wind in

1886
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 1: early November, I can sit there and and see six

1887
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: eight blocks every high and whenever. If we get an

1888
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: easterly wind in early November, I know exactly what I'm

1889
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna be. I just can't believe that thats gonna gonna

1890
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 1: live in into November. To be honest, I hope he doesn't.

1891
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna this is blasphemy and I'm

1892
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: sorry to say this, um, but let's say you still

1893
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,919
Speaker 1: haven't killed Smokey or Trump in October or in November

1894
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 1: during the rough phases, and we've made it all the

1895
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: way to the late season. I know you're gonna be

1896
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: a little bit bumped. I know you're gonna be a

1897
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: little bit down at this point. And that's the case.

1898
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 1: But what's the late season strategy for these two deer

1899
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: if they still are alive but you have not killed

1900
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: them yet? Well, if if I don't kill him, and

1901
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 1: I know there's still a lot, that's that's right. I mean,

1902
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: it's actually a little bit disheartening to go out and

1903
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: shoot your target buck on the first day, and the

1904
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: fun is kind of a chess game. And the longer

1905
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:11,599
Speaker 1: you get to play, the better it is, as far

1906
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,799
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, So I wouldn't mind it all shooting

1907
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: either woman Bucks on the last day off season. But um,

1908
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: if if they make it to the late season, my

1909
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: odds they kill him Trump or about zero that um

1910
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: in his home area, there's no food plots by that time.

1911
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: I'll probably have burned out every stand in his area.

1912
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 1: If if Trump makes it to the late season, his

1913
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 1: odd the maintenance the next year very very good. Uh Smokey.

1914
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,719
Speaker 1: On the other hands, you know I've got food plots

1915
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: on that property he's on. Um. Some of the best

1916
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,560
Speaker 1: video footage I got in passing him last year. You know,

1917
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I didn't pass it. Passed him five times, but the

1918
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 1: first time was I think November sixt so I didn't

1919
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: even see that buck nothing. I was trying, but I

1920
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't even see him until I remember sixteen from stand

1921
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: and then I end up passing five times. But some

1922
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: of the best footage was late season. Most of the

1923
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: passes were and I think that was there was twice

1924
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: in November and the other three times were in December

1925
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: and January. And I've seen him other times. He was

1926
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: just out of range, and I didn't count that, but

1927
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: you know that he'll be on those food sources. Um,

1928
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: as long as I keep plugging away and keep watching

1929
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: the wind on every high there will still be a chance.

1930
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: It's a similar, similar strategy than to what you had

1931
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: in the early season, right, hunting some of those food

1932
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: related stands again, waiting for the right conditions. And and

1933
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you don't hunt morrings in December either.

1934
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: And you're very particular about the days of going right right, Okay,

1935
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: you want those cold fronts again. The cold of the weather,

1936
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: the better he gets those mature bucks on their feet

1937
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: before dark and afternoon. Um. If if I had one

1938
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: can only pick one time in the year to hime,

1939
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: it would be the late season and afternoons. And uh,

1940
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: you can take the most nonclneal buck there is. Now.

1941
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 1: If I had, if I had a property in in

1942
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Trump's area where I could plant food plot, I would

1943
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: really be looking forward to the late season, because that's

1944
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: one time when you can get anock colonel buck like

1945
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 1: Trump on his feet. If you get temperatures down around zero,

1946
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: that buck's gonna be on his feet looking for food

1947
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: before the sun sets. And uh, you know, I even

1948
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: ironically I tried to lease a small property in Trump's

1949
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 1: area just for the purpose of planning a food plot,

1950
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 1: and the landowner wouldn't go for it. But that's how

1951
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 1: much I believe in the late season, and that I

1952
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: think I would have doubled my odd to kill him

1953
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 1: Trump if I could have had a small food plot

1954
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: in his region or his range. Yeah, power of food.

1955
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 1: How much do you think that the harvest of egg

1956
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 1: fields and the surrounding area is going to affect any

1957
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: of these deer? Ah? Well, well, for with Trump, for

1958
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, he's a He's an open farm

1959
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,639
Speaker 1: country buck. He covers a lot of a lot of area,

1960
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: and as most of it's opened, the crops are still standing.

1961
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely gonna be to his favor. Um.

1962
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: The ideal situation is that most of the crops got

1963
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: harvested and there was like one or two corn fields

1964
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: that weren't in range. Um. But I know where I'd

1965
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,680
Speaker 1: be keying on, man down the wind edge of those

1966
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 1: corn fields got you. So let's think about this. If

1967
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: you get to the end of this season and you

1968
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: have not killed eur other of these two bucks, what

1969
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,640
Speaker 1: would you say would be the biggest reason for that. Like,

1970
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: if you had to exploit hypothetically, you're looking back on

1971
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: this season and I said, you didn't kill smoke your Trump,

1972
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 1: What do you think? What what happened? Why would you

1973
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 1: say that or what happened there? If you had a

1974
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: hypothetical guess what the reason would be, or what the

1975
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: challenge would have been, or whatever could possibly go wrong,

1976
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 1: what would you think it might be? Well, there's no doubt.

1977
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:18,839
Speaker 1: The only thing that's gonna stop me from killing Smokey

1978
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: is if if he dies another way, if some other

1979
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: hunter gets him or h D gets him or something

1980
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 1: like that. Uh, that's the only way I won't kill him,

1981
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: because if he's alive, I'll get a shot at him.

1982
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:30,719
Speaker 1: There's just no doubt. Now Trump, on the other hand,

1983
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:33,679
Speaker 1: I will It's a total opposite. I will be shocked

1984
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: if I do get a shot at him, right, So

1985
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: I won't be a bit surprised at the season the

1986
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: ends and I don't have him. Do you think you

1987
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,720
Speaker 1: killed your last two Hunding in two thousand four? I

1988
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: think you said right. And now you've said for thirteen years,

1989
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: you've been dreaming of this, You've been trying to find

1990
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: another buck. You've been working towards this, this very rare animal,

1991
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 1: you finally found one. How do you think you're gonna

1992
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: handle that moment? Are you concerned at all about that

1993
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: own of truth? I know you've killed a lot of big,

1994
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: mature bucks like this is second nature tuning out. But

1995
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 1: when you have this, this next chance, do you anticipate

1996
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be just going about your business or

1997
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 1: do you think this is gonna be a little bit different.

1998
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna be different. Uh. I thought long, I've

1999
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 1: been waiting for this moment for thirteen years, and I've

2000
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 1: played in my mind a thousand times. And when I

2001
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: shoot that buck, even if I watched that buck fall,

2002
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna slip out and I'm gonna call my dad.

2003
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:37,920
Speaker 1: And my dad walked up finding and I want my

2004
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: dad to be the first one to grab his aithers.

2005
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, you know, my dad wasn't a deer hunter,

2006
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: but whenever I was a kid, I was just crazy

2007
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: about the outdoors. And he always took time from his job.

2008
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: He would save vacation days from his job just to

2009
01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: take me deer I mean, and he never really got

2010
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 1: me anything about deer. And he didn't talk to teach

2011
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 1: me about scrapes or rugs or anything like that. But

2012
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: what he did teach me was that whatever we was

2013
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: gonna do, he was gonna do it right. And there's

2014
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 1: a story I tell that. You know, back whenever I

2015
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: was a kid, it was hard to get a gun

2016
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: tag in Illinois to shoot there because they were very

2017
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: limited back then. And you know, you would put in

2018
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: a drawing in the spring, and then in the summer

2019
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: you'd find out if you've got a tag that year. Well,

2020
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 1: I went to school and you know, I was talking

2021
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 1: to some of my buddies at school that also hunted deer,

2022
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: and this one kid told me, you know, him and

2023
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: his dad they put in applications for everybody in the family,

2024
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: the mom and the sisters, everybody, and they always had

2025
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: a tag to use every season because somebody in the

2026
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: family get a tagged. And I came home that night

2027
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,280
Speaker 1: at supper and told my dad knew that. I said, now,

2028
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 1: I got a great idea. I know how we can

2029
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: definitely get deer tags for sure. This year. We'll just

2030
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 1: put in applications for mom and little brother and everybody,

2031
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: and somebody would get a tag and we can go

2032
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: deer hunt. And my dad let into me and let

2033
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 1: me know that if I didn't want to play by

2034
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: the rules, I wasn't gonna be deer hunting at all.

2035
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful to have a father that that

2036
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: taught me that how we did things was more important

2037
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: than the in result. And uh, you know, if I've

2038
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 1: just been blessed in the hunting industry to have so

2039
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: many doors open to me as an outdoor writer and

2040
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:25,759
Speaker 1: such um and I attributed all to my dad teaching

2041
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 1: me that we're gonna do things right. And when I

2042
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 1: shoot that next two hundred, I'm calling him and I'm

2043
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: not gonna let him know how big the bucky is

2044
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: there anything. He has no idea. Right now, I'm about

2045
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: to shoot a two hundred. I think I'm gonna shoot

2046
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: a two hundred this year, But I'm just gonna call

2047
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: him up and tell him that I need his help

2048
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 1: and the deer out and he'll always he's always there

2049
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 1: for me. He'll be there within minutes. And I'm just

2050
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: gonna even if I see the deer fall, I'm not

2051
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 1: walking up to it. I'm letting him walk up to

2052
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: it first, letting him be the first one to grab

2053
01:50:52,800 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 1: it by the rack. That'll be a special moment, I imagine. Yeah, okay,

2054
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,479
Speaker 1: now this is kind of related to the story you

2055
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: just shared there, but maybe you can elaborate or maybe

2056
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: there's something else. But so the the opposite of my

2057
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: other my other question that that that first question was

2058
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,600
Speaker 1: if you didn't kill those bucks, what was what was

2059
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 1: the reason why you weren't able to kill him? Now

2060
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 1: on the flip side, let's say you do kill these

2061
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 1: two Bucks, and you're sitting at the end of the

2062
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: season and you're looking back on at other than just

2063
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 1: the tactical side of things. So other than the fact

2064
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: that you know, Smokey is on that property really strong,

2065
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 1: and you've got lots of great habitat, and other than

2066
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have an annual pattern on Trump, Let's say,

2067
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 1: other than the tactical things, is there anything intangible that

2068
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:42,880
Speaker 1: you would look back on say, yeah, it's because of

2069
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: X or Y that was really the key to me

2070
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 1: killing those bucks. Maybe it's something like persistence or patients

2071
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: or you're I don't know, is there anything like that

2072
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 1: that you would say is probably going to be your

2073
01:51:54,720 --> 01:52:00,559
Speaker 1: key to the success that you hopefully have well, if

2074
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I said, if I killed Tryumph, it

2075
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:05,240
Speaker 1: will be a whole lot of lucky. It's really passion.

2076
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of guys that are going

2077
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 1: to be listening to this podcast are gonna understand the passion. Um,

2078
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot that was very passionate. I think that

2079
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 1: I've probably taken a passion to the level that most

2080
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:24,480
Speaker 1: deer hunters aren't gonna understand, but there's a few that will. Um.

2081
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: You know, I just unfilled tags don't bother me anymore,

2082
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 1: and they really never did. I'd set a goal and

2083
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what the goal was. I wasn't gonna

2084
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,559
Speaker 1: shoot a buck less than that, and if it took

2085
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: me five years to get done, we'll so be it.

2086
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 1: That was I was just so passionate about reaching that

2087
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: goal that that I wasn't about to lower the bar.

2088
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: I would do whatever it takes it takes to reach

2089
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: that goal, and then I would leave the bar there

2090
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 1: until I would consistently do it, and then I would

2091
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: raise it again, and I wouldn't lower again. I would

2092
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: just keep plugging away until I got good enough to

2093
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 1: do that. And I think it's my willingness to to

2094
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 1: accept empty seasons. I don't feel like I need to

2095
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: shoot a buck every year. Um, I want to, but

2096
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: I've got no desire to shoot the bucks below my goal.

2097
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I just find satisfaction in being

2098
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 1: out there anymore that the drive to kill is. I guess,

2099
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 1: as strong as ever, but as different as I can.

2100
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't cost me sleep if I don't. In other words,

2101
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fine with with an empty season, so

2102
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, I just go for broke. Yeah, I think

2103
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 1: something you said there is worth reiterating because I feel

2104
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 1: like this whole discussion we've had with you, it's not

2105
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 1: really you know, how to kill a buck or how

2106
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,679
Speaker 1: Don Higgins is going to kill a two deer. It's

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01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 1: really about how to achieve a goal. It's about how

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01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: you can reach your own personal goal. You your personal

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01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 1: goal for you, Don Higgins is you would like to

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01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: kill a two deer. But you know this, everything we've

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01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 1: talked about is just as applicable if your goal is

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01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 1: to kill your first four year old buck, you know.

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01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all about setting what the right goal

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01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,800
Speaker 1: is for you and your situation and your circumstances and

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01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,440
Speaker 1: what's going to make you happy and feel fulfilled. Um.

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01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's important. And you mentioned

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01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: this earlier, right, the inches, The inches don't really matter

2118
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 1: for you personally, Like it's it's a great way to

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01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 1: to to to achieve something that's rare and to challenge yourself.

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01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:31,719
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all about setting personal goals and

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01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: and working towards those and and growing as a hunter

2122
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: and having that experience. And I think having those goal

2123
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: is a really great way to force you to grow,

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01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: to force you to confront a challenge and learn how

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01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 1: to overcome it become better because of it. Um. But

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01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that's I guess my my thoughts on

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01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: this is as we're kind of wrapping this up, as

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01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about all these things, I don't want anyone

2129
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 1: listening to think like, oh, well I need to be

2130
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: shooting hundred bucker two inch buck to be a great

2131
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: hunter or something like that, or because Don's able to

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01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 1: pas deer, I should be able to do that too.

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01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all on a different boat, we all

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01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: have different things, um. But there's something really powerful I

2135
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 1: think about setting a tough goal for yourself and working

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01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 1: for it. Um. I think positive things come from that.

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01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: All the time. Um, I don't know, uh in my

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01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: ranting or if that makes sense, you're absolutely right. Yeah,

2139
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. More absolutely I you know, people think

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01:55:25,120 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that because you know, I've got a lofty goals as

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01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: far as deer hunting, that I looked down on people

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01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: who maybe shoot deer whatever. And that's absolutely not the

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01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 1: case at all. I turned fifty four years old tomorrow,

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01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 1: and in that time, you know, I've had goals that

2145
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 1: were you know, I started out any deer at dough,

2146
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna shoot it, and it's taken you know,

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01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:49,839
Speaker 1: all this time. I started hunting when I was thirteens.

2148
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, I've got over forty years in the deerwoods now,

2149
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 1: and all I did to get to this point. And

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01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I never dreamed that I would let

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01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 1: a one fifty inch back walk, let alone a one

2152
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 1: n So you know, reality. I tell people also that

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01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: dream big because God's reality is so much bigger than

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01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 1: you can ever imagine. Um. But when you set your goal,

2155
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: just don't compromise your goal. It might take you years

2156
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 1: to achieve it, but don't compromise it. If you compromise it,

2157
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:23,200
Speaker 1: then you never reach your goal. So you know, just

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01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 1: just set the bar at a certain level and keep

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01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 1: plugging away until you're able to consistently reach that. Don't

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01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 1: raise the bar the first time you reach it. You know,

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01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 1: if you if your goals a hundred and you shoot

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01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: one and it's your first hundred thirty, well don't raise

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01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 1: the bar to one forty. Next year, shoot a few

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01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: want and get really countable of shooting that size box

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01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: and then raise the bar. And and once you achieve

2166
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,080
Speaker 1: the next level, you know, do that a few times

2167
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: before you raise the bar. But but except that, there's

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01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna be some empty seasons along the way. I mean,

2169
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 1: anything worthwhile didn't come easy. So you just you know,

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01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 1: stick with your goals and plugging away. Yeah, what are

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01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 1: your thoughts on all this, Dan? Because I know you

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01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: you personally have had, you know, some some tough goals

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01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:10,320
Speaker 1: for yourself. And some years you you've eight Tex soups.

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Some years you've you know, you've adjusted goals, like last

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01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 1: year you decided to try shoot a four year old.

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01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, where's your head at on this whole topic? Now?

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01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 1: As you've gone through some different things over the years.

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01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I was obsessed with a buck for several

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01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 1: years and I learned a lot from that, dear. I

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01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: don't know if I necessarily would do it again to

2181
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 1: go after a specific buck Um at this point in

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01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: my life, because although going after that that two d

2183
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 1: insure when I went after him, and I almost you know,

2184
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: I almost accomplished my goal. You know, I learned a lot.

2185
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 1: But I passed a lot of deer that I should

2186
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 1: have probably shot to get comfortable with that moment of truth,

2187
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:04,760
Speaker 1: because I was so focused on this other particular bucks.

2188
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 1: So I was passing you know, one forties and one

2189
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 1: fifty class dear that I probably should have shot in

2190
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: those years. Um. And I I don't want I don't

2191
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 1: want to ever get into position where you know, and

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01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:27,520
Speaker 1: and and my circumstances are different than other people's circumstances.

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01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 1: So what I say is what I want to do,

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01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 1: and what don saying is what he wants to do.

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01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: But I'm never gonna I'm never going to let um

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01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: anything outside of the love of hunting dictate what animals

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01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to shoot. M hmm, right on, Yeah, I

2198
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 1: think I think it's and you know, some people are

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01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: some people are flying with shooting the first year it

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01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: comes along, well that that's their business. That's not not

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01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 1: that's not my business to tell him. You know, if

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01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: you want to be shooting the bigger box or whatever, Uh,

2203
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:02,000
Speaker 1: you gotta do what makes you happy. We're all individuals

2204
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 1: and we've got different hunting areas and different amounts of

2205
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:08,720
Speaker 1: time to devote to it, different family obligations and job obligations.

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01:59:09,400 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 1: What works for me may not for the next guy,

2207
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 1: and probably won't. It's just you know, I have no

2208
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: other hobbies. I haven't fished in over twenty five years.

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01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: I've never turkey hunt in my life. For me, it's

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01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: all white tails. That's what I live for. There's no

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01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 1: other hobby. So obviously, at my age, after doing it

2212
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,800
Speaker 1: for so long, your goals are going to be a

2213
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: little higher than the average person. But that doesn't make

2214
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 1: me any better than the other guy. God didn't make

2215
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 1: me any better than the next guy. It's just made

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01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:41,440
Speaker 1: me different. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do have a

2217
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 1: question for you, though, and I don't want this to

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01:59:44,160 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: come off as as rude. Um, but a deer for anybody,

2219
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, especially someone in the hunting industry, can elevate

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01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: their career. Um, what do you think would happen to

2221
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 1: your career if you were to a you know, if

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02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: you were able to harvest one or both of these

2223
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: animals this year. Oh, that's a tough question. That's the

2224
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 1: toughest one I've had yet today. I'm not sure really. Uh.

2225
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen my consulting business really start to

2226
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 1: grow here in the last couple of years, and I

2227
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 1: think it would probably accelerate that just a little bit.

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02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:29,360
Speaker 1: Um As far as writing right now, I'm writing about

2229
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 1: the many articles I want to I'm not one of

2230
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 1: those guys that wants to put out two or three

2231
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 1: articles a month or a dozen or whatever. If I

2232
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 1: could write one or two a month, you know, maybe

2233
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 1: fifteen the eighteen article a year, I'd be happy with that.

2234
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm doing. So I don't think it's gonna,

2235
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, change anything there. Uh. It might help draw

2236
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of attention to real world and help

2237
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 1: that business grew a little bit. Uh. I plan on

2238
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:01,000
Speaker 1: getting these hunts on video, so and I'm you know,

2239
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: not affiliated at this time with any web show or

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02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:07,040
Speaker 1: TV show or anything like that, so it might open

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02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:11,960
Speaker 1: a door that way, But I don't know. I know,

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02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 1: it's not going to change me as a person. I'm

2243
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 1: gonna be the same guy next year as I am

2244
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: you know today, um, still passionately chasing whitetail, still looking

2245
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:25,680
Speaker 1: for the biggest one I can find, and always being

2246
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:29,040
Speaker 1: a student. You know, I'm no expert. I just uh,

2247
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of years of being a student,

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02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 1: so I'll just continue down that path. Yeah, yeah, no, Okay,

2249
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:40,760
Speaker 1: here's this makes me wonder what happens if you kill

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Speaker 1: both of these bucks you kills in the same year.

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Speaker 1: You've now killed three bucks. Do you have the two

2252
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 1: buck bug out of your system? Will you be like, okay,

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02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just gonna I'm gonna stick to

2254
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: my you know, all mature bucks, but I'm not gonna

2255
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 1: be so obsessed with trying to find this next two hondy?

2256
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 1: Or is it all right? What's the next run up

2257
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:04,880
Speaker 1: the letter? Now? I want to kill a two ten

2258
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 1: or wanna? I don't know? Is there a next step

2259
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:12,440
Speaker 1: after this? If you were to achieve these goals? Yeah, well,

2260
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:18,040
Speaker 1: you guys say the hard questions for last that you know,

2261
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:20,360
Speaker 1: I think I will probably always you know, if I

2262
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: kill two, then I'm gonna want three. If I kill

2263
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: three and wenna want forward, it's not I I don't

2264
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: know that till you're there. It's hard to say I

2265
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 1: want to because very few bow hunters have killed two

2266
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:40,920
Speaker 1: legitimate two and uh but after that, you know, does

2267
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 1: the third one make it any better? Does a third

2268
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:47,400
Speaker 1: one prove anything? Uh? The older i'd get, you know,

2269
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:51,440
Speaker 1: the less I hunt for any other reason than my

2270
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:56,720
Speaker 1: own self satisfaction. UM, it's not about opening doors in

2271
02:02:56,720 --> 02:03:01,600
Speaker 1: the hunting industry or anything like that. Uh. There's one

2272
02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 1: point in my life where that that probably was a

2273
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,400
Speaker 1: factor in uh, you know, trying to shoot the biggest

2274
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 1: buck I could find to sell more articles or get

2275
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:15,160
Speaker 1: a sponsorship from another company. But that's no longer in

2276
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:20,080
Speaker 1: the case I'm certain of. UM, I don't know, you

2277
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 1: know what kind of doors it might open for. Maybe

2278
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:25,080
Speaker 1: it'll it'll allow me to gain people's here a little

2279
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 1: bit better, and uh, you know, from all the things

2280
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:36,000
Speaker 1: I believe in. UM. I think there's been been some

2281
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:41,440
Speaker 1: celebrities are hunters have had the the published attention that

2282
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 1: I wish they would have a little different message. I'm

2283
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,400
Speaker 1: not gonna beat my chest and say look at me,

2284
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:49,480
Speaker 1: I shot three two hundreds. I just as soon use

2285
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 1: any attention to h for something good. You know, maybe

2286
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 1: ethical hunting practices or or or who knows. You know,

2287
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:01,800
Speaker 1: I've spoken a lot of churches. Um. I'm a Christian.

2288
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:06,120
Speaker 1: I believe in using whatever means possible to promote that.

2289
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe the open doors there. Yeah, who knows? Yeah, ah,

2290
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 1: something you just mentioned there, um, And I think I

2291
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,160
Speaker 1: really like your mindset and all that. Um. Something you

2292
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:23,880
Speaker 1: mentioned when it comes to promoting UM. Some you know,

2293
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: the ethics of hunting and doing things the right way.

2294
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: You talked about that earlier, your dad's influence on you

2295
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 1: about going things, going through things the right way, doing

2296
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,360
Speaker 1: things the right way. UM. I think they'd be a

2297
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:35,840
Speaker 1: perfect place for us to leave leave things off here

2298
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Do you have any final words for

2299
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,840
Speaker 1: our audience as far as the importance of ethics or

2300
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 1: how we go about what we do as hunters, anything

2301
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 1: you've learned on that front that you want to share,

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02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:49,080
Speaker 1: or any reminders that would be good for us to

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02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 1: hear here too. To end this conversation, Yeah, you know,

2304
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 1: when I first started doing seminars, I would always end

2305
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 1: with the same I would start the seminar with the

2306
02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:01,280
Speaker 1: same slide as I would end it with the same slide,

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02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 1: and it was a picture of my first buck. And

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02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,360
Speaker 1: on the final slide, we would go right back to

2309
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 1: that picture me with my first bucket. I would ask you,

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02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:10,920
Speaker 1: everybody in the audience to take a look at that

2311
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,720
Speaker 1: picture and ask themselves, what do you see when you

2312
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,840
Speaker 1: see this picture? Do you see some lucky kid with

2313
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 1: his first buck or do you see you know this picture?

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Speaker 1: You've got to remember us from the nineties seventies. And

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Speaker 1: I'd say, do you you see some kids wearing a

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Speaker 1: funny hat? Or or what do you see when you

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Speaker 1: see this picture? And I'd wait a few seconds and

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Speaker 1: give the audience time to get other the thoughts, and

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Speaker 1: and I would say, no, matter what you see in

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Speaker 1: this picture, you'll never see what I see because when

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Speaker 1: I look at that picture, I see my dad. And

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Speaker 1: my Dad's not in the picture at all. But my

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Speaker 1: dad made it possible. And everything that I've done in

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Speaker 1: the hunting industry I attribute to my dad. So he

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Speaker 1: taught me to do things dry. So my final message,

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Speaker 1: I guess for this podcast would be, you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of us hunters are our mentors or two younger hunters,

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Speaker 1: whether it be our sons or whatever. And I've seen

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Speaker 1: over the years observing other hunters. If the apple doesn't

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Speaker 1: fall far from the tree, if a young hunter. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm in a seminar or a trade show or

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Speaker 1: something and a young hunter comes up to me and

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Speaker 1: I talked to that kid for five minutes, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you what kind of hunter his mentor was, whether

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Speaker 1: it be his father or grandfather, whoever. If that guy

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Speaker 1: with a whack on stock hum, if it's brown it down,

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Speaker 1: gang banger type hunter, that kid is going to reflect

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Speaker 1: those same values. But if that kid was taught to

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Speaker 1: hunt by someone with high ethical and moral values, that

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Speaker 1: that child is going to reflect the same thing. So

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Speaker 1: you know, I just hope this season is as fellow

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Speaker 1: deer hunters take out these young kids, whether it be

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Speaker 1: their own kids or others, to the woods, to just remember,

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Speaker 1: you're setting an example, and that young child you take

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Speaker 1: to the woods is gonna end up just like you.

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Speaker 1: So so set the right example well and let them

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Speaker 1: know you know that there's a right way and a

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02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:05,320
Speaker 1: wrong way to do things, and make sure they always

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02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 1: see you doing the right things. Because the example you

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02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:11,080
Speaker 1: said and can live long past you. I guarantee you

2351
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:14,480
Speaker 1: when my dad was taken vacation days from his job

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02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 1: forty years ago to take me to the deer woods.

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Speaker 1: He had no idea what it was going to lead to.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know the kid you take to the woods,

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Speaker 1: you don't have any idea what that kid's gonna be

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Speaker 1: twenty five years down my mind. But that's a perfect

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Speaker 1: opportunity if you teach them so many lessons that are

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Speaker 1: way more valuable than anything you can teach them about deer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that is a terrific way to cap this

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Speaker 1: conversation off. So thank you done so much for sharing

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Speaker 1: all of this and talking through this whole hypothetical season

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Speaker 1: and indulging our questions. Um, I hope it was a

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Speaker 1: helpful exercise for our listeners. I think kind of getting

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Speaker 1: your mindset. It was definitely helpful for me to see

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Speaker 1: how you would think through all these things. So we

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Speaker 1: appreciate don And if people want to learn more about

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Speaker 1: the products you talked about earlier to day, or if

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Speaker 1: they want to follow along with with what's happening for

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Speaker 1: you throughout the season, is there anywhere online they can

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Speaker 1: they can find that stuff. Yeah, they they can find

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02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:13,480
Speaker 1: information on the e h D product at Real World

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Speaker 1: Wildlife Products dot com or they can follow me on Facebook,

2373
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:23,480
Speaker 1: Don Higgins slash Higgins Outdoors um for my website Higgins

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Speaker 1: Outdoors dot com. But you know, I appreciate that you

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Speaker 1: guys having me on again. It's probably this podcast is

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02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:33,880
Speaker 1: probably different than anyone you've ever done, but and we

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Speaker 1: covered some interesting things. And I just want to thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for you know, the example you guys that

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Speaker 1: for others in the industry, young hunters. I'm sure to

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Speaker 1: look up to you guys as well, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: what you do. Thank you so much for saying that.

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02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:51,160
Speaker 1: Don absolutely right back at you. And uh and finally

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Speaker 1: think most importantly, good luck this season. You've got quite

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Speaker 1: the season ahead of you and we've got all of

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Speaker 1: our fingers until it's crossed for you. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: and I'll keep you posted. It sounds good and that

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Speaker 1: will do it. Another episode is in the books. And

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Speaker 1: here's what I've got to ask you for before we go. First,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't yet, I've said this million times so

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02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 1: you might be sick of hearing me say this, but

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Speaker 1: a rating or review on iTunes would be amazing. It is.

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02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:22,440
Speaker 1: It is a huge help and We've already had over

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Speaker 1: seven of you leave a review and I appreciate that

2394
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,560
Speaker 1: so much. But every week, let's be honest, there's tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of you downloading these episodes, so I know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more of your folks who haven't done

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Speaker 1: a review yet. So no pressure, but you know, help

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Speaker 1: brother out. Also hit us up over at wired to

2399
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Speaker 1: Hunt dot com and the Wired to Hunt social media

2400
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Speaker 1: platforms to stay up to date on everything else we've

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Speaker 1: got going on. Um, you know my upcoming Alaska, Montana

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Speaker 1: and North Dakota hunts. There's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: cool stuff I'll be putting out there and that will

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Speaker 1: be shared over on the website and Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: That said, well, wrap things up here where they big.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our partners at Sitka gear Yedie Cooler's,

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Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, Whitetail Institute, North America, Trophy Ridge

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Speaker 1: and huntra Maps, And finally, of course, thank you all

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Speaker 1: for listening. Thank you for your attention and your support.

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Speaker 1: It is just so greatly appreciated. Until next time, stay

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt,