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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always by our.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars and Evan, don't

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Speaker 1: you know, just catch yourself here because I'm gonna use

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Speaker 1: actually gonna use a couple of them here wall for

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Speaker 1: just that we call it.

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Speaker 2: Around here, all right, A lot of a lot of

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Speaker 2: talk about about the folks that this week around here.

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: What you are anti? You know what I'm enjoying, Alex.

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Speaker 2: A week where I'm on the Patriots, I am. I

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Speaker 2: think the Patriots are gonna win this game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So so here's what I need to ask you.

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Speaker 1: Since you're all positive. You said last week, and people

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Speaker 1: in the comments pointed out that it was an amazing

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Speaker 1: line that you hate yourself on Tuesdays and that you

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Speaker 1: feel you're too negative on Tuesdays. You don't like how

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Speaker 1: you react on Tuesdays. How'd you feel your Tuesday went

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Speaker 1: this week?

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Speaker 2: I don't think it wasn't good enough. It was better.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I gave some flowers to some people that played well

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Speaker 2: in the game. You know Christian Gonzales of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: NFL's rookie of the Month, Trent Brown thought he had

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Speaker 2: a good or I don't want to give away all

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Speaker 2: my ups my studs, right, but I gave some flowers

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Speaker 2: out to some people. And I say this about the offense.

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Speaker 2: This is part of my take about you know, why

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots are going to win this game

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Speaker 2: on Sunday in Dallas. My take on the offenses is

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Speaker 2: that even though it didn't necessarily yield points on the scoreboard,

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Speaker 2: they only scored thirteen. I understand that there was little

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Speaker 2: bread crumbs that I liked after watching it back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: There was little bread crumbs, mainly about the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to talk a lot about the offensive

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Speaker 2: line today because there were some things that practice that

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Speaker 2: I found interesting that I think we need to discuss.

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Speaker 2: But okay, the main thing I would say is that

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Speaker 2: it felt like for the first time all season, maybe

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Speaker 2: even in training camp, like all summer long and season long.

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Speaker 2: I didn't need a word for that, like camp plus

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Speaker 2: the first three weeks, right that since the start of camp, sure,

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Speaker 2: thank you, since the start of camp, really that the

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Speaker 2: offensive line was resetting the line of scrimmage and actually

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Speaker 2: generating some movement in the running game, like their combination blocks, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: were finally working. They were actually getting on double teams

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Speaker 2: into the linebacker level and springing some runs, you know,

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Speaker 2: mostly for Zeke. But I went back and watched because

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are asking me about what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Mandre and you know why, he's struggling as well.

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Speaker 2: So I went back and Watchedmandre Stevenson too, and he

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Speaker 2: had more positive runs than I remembered. A lot of

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Speaker 2: his negative runs came late in the game when they

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Speaker 2: were trying to ice it and they're trying to milk clock,

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Speaker 2: and every buddy in the stadium knew that he was

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Speaker 2: getting the football right, so that I'd find a little

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Speaker 1: But that's also when you need to be able to

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Speaker 2: But that's more about the blocking.

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Speaker 1: That's more about the line.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, right, Like when the whole world knows that

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Speaker 2: It was more about some of the physical things that

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Speaker 2: in the passing game. They ran some under center plays

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Speaker 2: you'll like this because you like it when you know

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Speaker 2: I trash on opposing coaches and we always argue about

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Speaker 2: coaching and stuff like that. I actually like Robert Sala Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave that there. I like him less this

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. We are very polar opposite side of the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: It's changing, so we can get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But you were going to say about sala No, no,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't about Salah. They don't respect Mike McCarthy. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Mike McCarthy's.

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Speaker 2: A good coach.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can get on board with this one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Mike McCarthy does anything at all that

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Speaker 1: Do I have numbers for you?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Cool? They are a great running team. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they have a good running back, and Dak is a

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Speaker 2: threat with his arm, right, Like, you have to respect

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Speaker 2: the fact that they have a good quarterback can.

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Speaker 1: Be a threat with his legs, and sometimes they can

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they do that, but very rarely these days because

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Speaker 2: they're trying to protect the quarterback. But the general point

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Speaker 2: that I'm trying to make is that this is what

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Speaker 2: I've been saying all week. So if you've heard you,

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Speaker 2: then I'm repetitive. I'm sorry. But the general take is

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Speaker 2: this lower scoring than the Cowboys probably should have it

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Speaker 2: beat right like the Cowboys in this game. If I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna win that game. That's not how Mike McCarthy talks

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Speaker 2: about offense. Mike McCarthy talks about offense like he cares

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Speaker 2: about ball control, time of possession, running the football. It does.

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Speaker 2: It's two old school coaching mentalities on offense. Love it

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Speaker 2: so for what it's worth, Like if you have two

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Speaker 2: want to play well in all three phases, complimentary football,

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Speaker 2: you know, run the ball on offense, keep the defense rested,

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Speaker 2: like these are all the things that these coaches talk about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't turn the ball over. If all these things are

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Speaker 1: All right, So real quick on the Robert Solid thing,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure people are going to be floored by that.

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Speaker 1: unquestionable starter, Please on McCarthy, he's my least favorite kind

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Speaker 1: the league. But the coaches that guy in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: That's not a lot. Some people would put Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 1: And that's the kind of coach that bugs me. That's

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of those times, those guys

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Speaker 1: but you get used to probably at a certain point,

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Speaker 1: having that guy to bail you out. And suddenly I

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Speaker 1: think Dack's a good quarterback. I like Dak I do,

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Speaker 1: but he's not Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: They also just don't give him an opportunity to bail

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Speaker 1: Well I almost wonder if it's like because they didn't always.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if if there's a level of like he

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Speaker 1: way more conservative about it. But yeah, he goes into

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Speaker 1: It makes no sense. It's not even that mind blowing.

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Speaker 2: Always only throwing eight deep balls the entire year in

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Speaker 1: They are not letting him use his arm at all.

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Speaker 2: We see him every day practice, Like maybe Dak's not

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Speaker 1: Maybe, And and there was the quote everybody latched onto

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Speaker 2: So everyone they let they throw. He throws some deep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's watching them. I've watched them two weeks

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Speaker 2: Like that's just their offense, and you know, I we

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Speaker 2: He throws more flat routes than any quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So they're gonna if they If you want to play

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Speaker 2: Like tell us where and when and we'll be there

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Speaker 2: They've kicked the league high ten field goals, so they

433
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Speaker 2: do screw up. I mean, Dak threw a pick. Okay,

434
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Speaker 2: that's fair.

435
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: But I guess it's more like this is a team

436
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys that the Patriots are gonna say, march

437
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 1: your way down the field, and the Cowboys will say,

438
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: don't mind if we do.

439
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 2: I think that this is a team. I hear what

440
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: you're saying. Yeah, but I think that this is matchup

441
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Speaker 2: just and I don't.

442
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, no, there's an argument to me made both ways.

443
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Speaker 1: So my point is, so you're more like the glass

444
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: half fall that like, No, I.

445
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Speaker 2: Just think that, like I don't usually look at these

446
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: types of stats when I think about games, but I

447
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: did this time because of how the Cowboys play and

448
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Cowboys. Right now, both teams are

449
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: top five in plays per game, like offensive plays a

450
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: round per game.

451
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Speaker 1: The Cowboys, that was just texting with Matt Dollar from

452
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: the sports up there. They lead the league. I think

453
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Speaker 1: it's like eleven points something in plays per.

454
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Speaker 2: Drive, right, so they lead the league and it's less

455
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Speaker 2: than that, it's like seven point. They do lead the

456
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Speaker 2: league in plays per drive. Yeah, okay. And the Patriots

457
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: are also up there in terms of raw plays ran

458
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: a game, they both are over seventy plays a game.

459
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: So these are two teams that want to shorten the game.

460
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: The Cowboys only had eight drives last year. Last week

461
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: against the Cardinals, it's not because they didn't put up

462
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: stats like they they ran the ball well. They put

463
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Speaker 2: up some numbers like I think they were over like

464
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Speaker 2: three fifty or four hundred yards of total offense, right,

465
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Speaker 2: Like the Cardinals also ran the ball well in that game.

466
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Speaker 2: That was a quick game. Like you know, we talked

467
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: about like it's not to cross sports. I know your

468
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: station hates that, but the I don't know, like the

469
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: baseball pitch clock, like that's a baseball pitch clock version

470
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Speaker 2: of a game. Right, we were over this in two hours, right,

471
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Speaker 2: And they both ran the ball well, they both had

472
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Speaker 2: limited possessions. They both had to possess the ball for

473
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Speaker 2: you know, a good amount of time. And that game

474
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Speaker 2: just doesn't lend itself to a shootout, Like, that's not

475
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: how shootouts are scripted. Shootouts are back and forth, you know,

476
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: four or five play drives, Like you're going back and forth,

477
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth.

478
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: Throwing the ball, keeping the clock stopped.

479
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: If both teams want to march, and both teams want

480
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 2: to matriculate down the field, and both teams want to

481
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: possess it in both teams want to run it. Dad

482
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: tells me that this game is gonna be low, and

483
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: I should say maybe most importantly, both teams have really

484
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: good defenses. And I just think that the Cowboys the

485
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: part that I pick on McCarthy with is that the

486
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 2: Cowboys shouldn't play this way. They don't have to play

487
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: this way, and they decide to play this way. But

488
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots need to play this way.

489
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: Patriots are built to play this way.

490
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Speaker 2: Right, So that's the type of matchup that if you're

491
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Speaker 2: looking for a game that the Patriots can upset somebody

492
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: on their schedule. They're six and a half point dogs

493
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Speaker 2: in Dallas on Sunday. They're gonna be dogs to Kansas City.

494
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna be dogs to Buffalo both times. They're gonna

495
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: be dogs to Miami in a couple weeks. Again, everybody

496
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: should be dogs Miami. At this point, those teams scare

497
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: me the Bejesus out of me, because the Patriots can't

498
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: score with those teams. The Patriots can't go up and

499
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Speaker 2: down the field with Miami, they can't go up and

500
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: down the field with Buffalo. This Cowboys team doesn't even

501
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: want to go up and down the field. They don't

502
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: want to be in a track meet, right. So if

503
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: that's the case, then I like the Patriots defense to

504
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: stop the run. I think they they will stop the run,

505
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: even banged up up front. But the Cowboys are also

506
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: banged up on their defensive line and has been out there.

507
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 2: I said earlier in the week, I said I would

508
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: pick change my pick if Godshot couldn't play, and I

509
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: got snarky Paul at me and defensive tackle. Yeah, how

510
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: much does Godshaw matter? He matters because in this particular

511
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: old school. He matters a lot. And if you're gonna

512
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: come I always you know, you can say what you

513
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: will about the Patriots defense against teams like Miami and

514
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo who spread you out and and you know, go

515
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: sideline the sideline and make you a run and chase

516
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: and stuff. If you want to come right at the

517
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: Patriots their defense, that that's going right into the power

518
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Speaker 2: in the streets.

519
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Speaker 1: Basically, they're gonna send you on Bentley down the downhill

520
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: at you. They're gonna put their big bodies up front

521
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. A're gonna make your run every yard.

522
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: So that's it. I don't you know. We're gonna talk

523
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: plenty about over the next two hours. But that's the

524
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: thirty minute version, not the not the cliff notes version

525
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: that I was going for, shocker, But that's the long

526
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: version of why I like the Patriots in this game

527
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: to win. I picked them to win. But I at

528
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: least think that this game, at the very least is

529
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: going to be competitive because if you look at the

530
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: two rosters between the Cowboys, and we were talking about

531
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: this yesterday off the air. If you look at the

532
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: Cowboys and the Patriots rosters, and you're like, you know,

533
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: doing Madden ratings or PFF grades or whatever, like stupid

534
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: metric you want to use. The Cowboys have a lot

535
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: more talent than the Patriots. They just do especially offensively.

536
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Speaker 1: They'll even say this week, he goes, they have a

537
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Speaker 1: lot of star powers. What they always have, Yeah, they

538
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: have tons of star power. That's Jerry Jones's m O, right,

539
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: just like the head coach said, you know, that's how

540
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: they're going to be build their team. They're always going

541
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: to have the Micah Parsons's. They're always going to have

542
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: a Dak Prescott at quarterback. Like that's how they're always

543
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Speaker 1: going to be. They have a lot more star power

544
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: than the Patriots. They have a lot more top end

545
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: talent than the Patriots. So when you look at this

546
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: matchup on paper, you're worried that the Patriots are going

547
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: to get both race like they just don't have the

548
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: horses or the personnel to run with Dallas, Like they

549
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: just are going to be overwhelmed by Dallas's star power.

550
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: But I actually look at this and I say offensively

551
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: because I love Dan Quinn and I think he does

552
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: a great job on the other side of the ball.

553
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to take away from him. Offensively,

554
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that they use their star power. I

555
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think that they flex that bone as much as

556
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: they should or muscle flex that bone, flex that muscle

557
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: as much as much as they should. So I like

558
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense in this matchup. I think it's a

559
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: good matchup for the Patriots defense, and I think that

560
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: they have a chance to really limit Dallas, make it

561
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: hard for Dallas. Yeah, and offensively, like I said, I

562
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: like some of the positives that they showed last week

563
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: in the run game. The Cardinals just ran for two

564
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards against this Cowboys team. Now, I think the

565
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: Cowboys will will course correct here.

566
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: On defense. I don't think they're gonna get gashed on

567
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: the ground like they did last week.

568
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: But that's where like start hitting some of those play actions, right,

569
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: that's got.

570
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: To come so that it's not to me the other

571
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: positive spin been a positive mood this week. Yes, the

572
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: other I think that watching that film against the Cardinals,

573
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: they really really missed Trayvon Diggs. Because love Gilmore. I

574
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: love him, He's not at the peak of his powers anymore.

575
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: He's not a true lockdown Trayvon Diggs style corner anymore. Yeah,

576
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: he's gotten a lot better his rookie year. I know

577
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: what you're saying.

578
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: I consider more of a ball hawk than a lot he's.

579
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: His like coverage stats and stuff like that are significantly

580
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: better than they were that he was as a rookie.

581
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: But more importantly than just like his style of play,

582
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: they had a bunch of coverage bus they had. They

583
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: were trying to move guys all around the back end

584
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: to figure out who's gonna play where now without him

585
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: out there, Like they came into the season, they were like, well,

586
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: Gilmore is gonna take one side, Digs is gonna take

587
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: the other side, and we're set right, And now all

588
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden they have to do all these this

589
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: moving parts and chess pieces and things like that. I

590
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: think that the for the Patriots, No, they do not

591
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 2: have a number one receiver that can now say, oh,

592
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: I don't have to go against Trayvon Diggs this week,

593
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go off. They don't have that guy. We

594
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: know that. But I think that Bill O'Brien is going

595
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: to try to put that back end in a pretzel, right,

596
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna test their ability to pass things off. He's

597
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: gonna test their on field chemistry, like.

598
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: He's gonna you're you're almost saying he's gonna spin the

599
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: dial on offense correct whatever that means. I can't even

600
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: comprehend what that would mean. But okay, so like.

601
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: A good way to look at it is, yeah, exactly.

602
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Like let's just take one example, because I don't want

603
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: to go down like you know too much. Bunch formations.

604
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: They used them a lot in Week one against Philadelphia.

605
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: They haven't used them as much the last couple of

606
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: weeks because that's those are zone defenses with experienced secondaries,

607
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: and like they're gonna be on their p's and q's

608
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: when it comes to passing things like that off. Now

609
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: you have all these new guys in Dallas. Gilmour just

610
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: got there too, so it's not like he's been in

611
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: that system for very long. We're gonna put our guys

612
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: in the three receiver bunch or like a triangle, right,

613
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: who has who out of the bunch?

614
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Break the right?

615
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna run the inside. Guy's gonna run outside,

616
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: the outside guy's gonna run inside. This guy's gonna run

617
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: a vertical And how are you passing all of this off,

618
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: and I do think that there's gonna be some opportunities

619
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: out of those types of looks. Now, the big caveat

620
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: of all of my my whole master plan of how

621
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots can win this football game, the big, big,

622
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: big caveat is obviously Micah Parsons, and Micah Parsons is

623
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: the one guy that has the capability to just take

624
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: this game over. And that comes back to the star

625
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: power thing. But most importantly, that's the one weakness the

626
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: Patriots offensive line and pass protection in particular that they

627
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: are gonna have to scheme around. They're gonna have to help,

628
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to chip, they're gonna have to slide

629
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: protection like, they're gonna have to make sure that their

630
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: focal point of their entire plan from a blocking standpoint

631
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: is on Parsons. So that's doable. But he's the one

632
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: guy that I feel like, yeah, this could just he

633
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: could just wreck this game. Yeah that could. It could

634
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 2: be that simple.

635
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: And Bill O'Briant kind of said this in so many

636
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: words earlier this week. I'm just gonna I think he

637
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: was hinting at this. I'm just gonna say it bluntly,

638
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: they can have the perfect plan for Mike Parsons. They

639
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: could come up with something nobody's ever done, and it's

640
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: like the best possible way to take him out of

641
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: the game. And he's still might have three sacks, right, Like,

642
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: he's just that good at a certain point, he's just

643
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: super talented. You can scheme all you want. Unless you

644
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: want to leave ten guys in the block every play

645
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: and trust somebody to win one on four down the field,

646
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: you're probably not. He's gonna get his right and that

647
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: it goes to your point, Like you can game plan

648
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: all you want. He just he's gonna do what he's

649
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. And Bill O'Brien said he's one of the

650
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: five best players in the league. Mac Jones I think

651
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: said he's the best player in the league.

652
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say besides Mahomes, I think he's probably

653
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: if you're not like take the position no value, I

654
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: think besides Mahomes, he's probably the best player.

655
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: So you have Mahomes, Parsons, and Justin Tucker's your top

656
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: three players in the league right now. Just Tucker fell

657
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: out he missed a couple of kicks the other way.

658
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: No if I and if I'm the Cowboys, because part

659
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: of what makes Parsons so dangerous in my mind is

660
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: there are some great pass rushers in this league, guys

661
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett right where right, But like Miles Garrett math,

662
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna line up over the left tackle.

663
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: That's why I brought up Judah because I figured this

664
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: is where you're right.

665
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna line up over the left tackle and they're

666
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: gonna pin their ears back and go. And there's nothing

667
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: wrong with that because so few guys like to be

668
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: so good at that that must take all your time

669
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: to master. Parsons can be anywhere and be just as

670
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: effective in all these different spots, and that's what makes

671
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: him so different than a lot of these other guys.

672
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: If I'm the Cowboy, and this isn't like all right,

673
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: one game he's gonna be here. One game is gonna

674
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: be here. We're gonna give him each week a different assignment. No,

675
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: this is like play to play. And if I'm the Cowboys,

676
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: you talk, you talked about, you came in, looked like

677
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line might look different. There's been some reports

678
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: out there to Cole Strange was limited to practice today

679
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: and he's been limited on the injured report a week

680
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: left guard, right tackle. Yeah, I'm just putting Micah Parsons

681
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: in one of those two spots and let him go

682
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: to work.

683
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the fear now when it comes to

684
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: left guard, whether it's Cold Strange, Antyo, Mafia City. So

685
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: whoever it is, there's a chance it could be somebody

686
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: else other than Cold Strange. We can say that that's

687
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: been reported and put out there and he's and he's

688
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: on the injury report, I think, and I do want

689
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: I I don't want to like pile on Cold Strange,

690
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: but I don't want to touch on that later on

691
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: the show, just him individually. But the big thing is is,

692
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: you know you're one hundred percent right. Parsons is so

693
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: versatile that they can go after the weak points of

694
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: your line, right, Like if you have a great left tackle.

695
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Trump Brown's great, but he's

696
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: good and and here he's one.

697
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I'd say he's been great in the

698
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: two games played, and he is one of your right Yeah,

699
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: so you're probably not gonna put him over Trent Brown

700
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: as much.

701
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: You're probably not gonna put him over center as much, right, right.

702
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: So to your point, left guard and right tackle. Now,

703
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: the good news is, if you want to call it that,

704
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: I guess for the Patriots left guard Andrews can help

705
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: to the left guard, so can Trent Brown. Right tackle.

706
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: You can chip, you can leave a tight end in

707
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: on that side. You could go six to zer line,

708
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: but they're just gonna put him over the edge of

709
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: the of the sixth offensive linemen. So it's really not

710
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: much different. There's ways that you can help Vederian low

711
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: and I think that from you know, this is one

712
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: of my key matches. I'm sure it's one of yours

713
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: as well.

714
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I got creative with mine this week.

715
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 2: Shocker me too a little bit this this matchup, and

716
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: I we'll get to those in a second. This matchup

717
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: is as much to me about the coaching matchup with

718
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons as it is just blocking Micaeh Parsons one

719
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: on one right, because it's dan Quinn is gonna be

720
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: moving him around all over the place to try to

721
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: go after the week link.

722
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Real quick, because I haven't been a big dan Quinn

723
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: guy in the past. We're talking about like kind of

724
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: picking on McCarthy. Dan Quinn's done a very good job.

725
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good. He's been excellent, and he's gotten more

726
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: aggressive than his Atlanta days and he's kind of learned

727
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: from that sort of experience and yeah, he's he's really good.

728
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna wow move Micah Parsons around a lot, and uh,

729
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna pick on those two week links in the

730
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: offensive line. And the Patriots are gonna have to have

731
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: something up their sleeve in order to handle it, like,

732
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: you know, something creative. It's this is not just like

733
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: a simple Oh, let's just break down his pass rush

734
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 2: tape and figure out what his go to moves are,

735
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: and like, no, you got to have a creative thing.

736
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: And whether it's like, you know, leaving the tight end

737
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: over his side all the time the chip or to

738
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: stay in or it's like Zeke Elliott is mac Jones's

739
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: personal protector or something like that so at least there's

740
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: a speed bump on the way to the quarterback, or

741
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: like whatever it is, it's got to be creative.

742
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: And you're gonna roll your eyes at this. I'm sorry,

743
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: but it's true. The best thing the Patriots can do

744
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: in this game is established that they run.

745
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you.

746
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: The best thing they can do not fall behind early

747
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: and run the This is I know you're I keep

748
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: like setting these up and you're just like, yeah, okay,

749
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, the hell's going on?

750
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: They have to run the ball, but keep it close.

751
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: Run the ball takes Parsons out of the game, maybe

752
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: upset his timing. The Cowboys are also, you kind of

753
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: touch on this not a good run defending team. But

754
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: we talk about all the time with defense is right,

755
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: throw the kitchen sink at them?

756
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: Right?

757
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Can you throw the kitchen sink? And we talk about

758
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: that collectively with the defense, like can you spin the

759
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: dial on the back end? Can you come up with

760
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: these pass rush combinations up front? And things like that.

761
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons is an entire kitchen sink that is going

762
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: that is getting thrown at you, just within himself, and

763
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: that is Is there any other player in the league,

764
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 1: at least on defense, that you can say that about.

765
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I think Tyreek Hill might qualify in that sense. On offense,

766
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe Christian McCaffrey being like that entire kitchen sink in

767
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: one player. But this isn't a guy that you look at. Oh,

768
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: here's how we defend Miles Garrett. Here, here's how we

769
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: defend Bosa. Here's how we defend you know, some of

770
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: those other top pass because we know the Patriots do that,

771
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: they'll kind of take things from game plans week to

772
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: week for similar players that doesn't really exist in this case.

773
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: Michael Parson's a unicorn.

774
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's one hundred percent true. And I

775
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: this is to me. And look, we talk so much

776
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: about like past game schemes and route combinations and RPOs

777
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: and play action and all this stuff when it comes

778
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: to coordinators and Bill O'Brien, but this is like where

779
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: oc really good ocs really make their money. It's like,

780
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: how are you going to neutralize a player like this?

781
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: How are you going to attack a defense like this

782
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: while not getting your quarterback? I wouldn't even say killed,

783
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: Like obviously that's true everything, But you also just don't

784
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: want Parsons to turn the ball over, right, Like you

785
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: don't want him to strip sacks, you know, force fumbles

786
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: like all this type of stuff that explosive players like

787
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: him can do. He can't take over the game. So

788
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: whether it's all of it, it's play calling, it's strategy

789
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: of how you're gonna block him. And who you're gonna

790
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: block him with. It's it's all the above with a

791
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: player like that, And I know, like traditionally you would say,

792
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: oh well, like just throw a bunch of screens or

793
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: like whatever. I do think the Cardinals hit them with

794
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: a lot of misdirection in the run game, which was

795
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: really effective for them, you know, changing the point of attack,

796
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: inviting him up this field, the field this way because

797
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: we're actually trying to run that way. Like those are

798
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: the types of things that I think you can definitely

799
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 2: try to exploit that the Cardinals did. But we'll get

800
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: to some more of that stuff with key matchups. We

801
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: also have our studs and duds from last week, but

802
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: we have some people waiting on hold, so I want

803
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: to clear the phones first and then we'll get to

804
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: some of the other stuff that we have on the docket.

805
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Ethan is in Western Kentucky. If you're still there, Ethan,

806
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your hell to. I didn't think so

807
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: that was like, now, who was a call from PU?

808
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: So Patty is an aguan? What's up Patty?

809
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: Going on? Guys?

810
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: Happy Thursday?

811
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Happy Thursday?

812
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: So quick non sequitner and I helped to let me

813
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: go on a little bit of a rant. But how

814
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: bad are the Bears, guys, They're so bad that they

815
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: signed a treat legend Jiwan Williams to their fifty three

816
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 4: man roster All League Christ Well.

817
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: They did that because they're playing the Vikings in a

818
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, so they're going to interrogate him.

819
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 4: Oh nice, speaking of the Vikings. That's that's rant number one,

820
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: So a good segue. Alex Evan, Alex pray Evan, like

821
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: you said before the season started at Briley Reef is

822
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 4: one of your guys. Pray, pray, just pray and pray,

823
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: keep praying.

824
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 5: That the Vikings lose, that they end up like oh.

825
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 4: And six and Owen seven and our guy Dustin Jefferson

826
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: wants to shoot his way out of town. And I

827
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: know it's a pipe dream, it's never gonna happen, but

828
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: just pray that it happens, and pray that Bill would

829
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: be willing to give up a first round pick and maybe,

830
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: I mean it's probably gonna take a hold a lot more,

831
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: but just pray. Now he brought up Cole Strange and

832
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 4: I don't know what to say, and I think the

833
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: guy sucks. And you know partially. I don't think it's

834
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 4: really partially his fault because you can't you can't control

835
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: where you're drafted. But much like Isaiah wins and like

836
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: mckil harry, I mean, you pick a guy in the

837
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: first round. We've been everybody, media fans have been ranting

838
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: about this for years. You pick a guy in the

839
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: first round, that's the guy you cannot miss on. And

840
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope the guy figures it out, and

841
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: I hope he comes back healthy, and I hope he's good.

842
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: But as far as like where he was picked and

843
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 4: how he's been playing the last two years, he's he's

844
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 4: looking like a slutly parted, you know, he was trucks

845
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: And as far as the game goes, I Evan, I

846
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: wish I would share your optimism a little bit. I

847
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: think this is going to be one of those games

848
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: that comes down to the wire and Patriots have the

849
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: ball last and we're gonna we're gonna be helping that

850
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: macn make enough plays. And until I see it, I

851
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: can't believe it. I'm picking the Cowboys to win twenty

852
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: four twenty one, and I hope I'm wrong, but I

853
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: love the optimism Evan, it's all I.

854
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: Got no problem. Thanks for the call, Patty, And look,

855
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I understand if you're taking the Cowboys like that. I

856
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: mean they're the more talented team like that. That's that

857
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: goes without saying. So I'm not trying to sit here

858
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: and tell you that this is going to be an

859
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: easy game to win for the Patriots. I just like

860
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: some of the matchups. I like some of the the

861
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: the you know, the matchups, taxes and nose of it.

862
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: I think it favors the Patriots a little bit. To

863
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: his point about Cold Strange, I wanted to bring this

864
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: up anyway, so it's a good segue into Cold Strange.

865
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 2: I I'm not gonna go on any like sort of like.

866
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to come off as like Victory Lappie

867
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: right because I didn't like to pick at the time.

868
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: People that have listened to us Alex and that have

869
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: been following us for since the Cold Strange draft, like

870
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: my reaction to Cold Strange live. It lives on YouTube somewhere,

871
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: and part of me's proud of it, part of me

872
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: is not proud of it. But the point is is

873
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: that I was very negative about the pick in the

874
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: moment when it happened, and the biggest reason was not

875
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: even about cold strange it was more just about like

876
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: the positional value of taking a guard in the first

877
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: round when you were a rebuilding team that needed so

878
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: much more than just a guard, right. And I think

879
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: we're seeing this now with Christian Gonzales where corner we

880
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: had corner as what I don't want to speak for you,

881
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: but like a top three need right for the Patriots

882
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: because they didn't have much cornerback depth and they needed corners.

883
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: But it wasn't most people's number one need, Like most

884
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: people's number one need was tackle or receiver. And they

885
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: took a corner. But they didn't just take any corner.

886
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: They took the corner that was like a consensus maybe

887
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: the best cornerback in the draft that fell for God

888
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: only knows why, right, like ridiculous reasons like his personality

889
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: and like a lack of physicality in one game and

890
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: like yeah, stuff like that. And it was it was

891
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: abundantly clear that they took a blue chip player in

892
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalaz. So whether you liked the fact that they

893
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: took a corner or a guy that was on defense,

894
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: it was clear that they took a blue chip player,

895
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 2: and it was clear that it was a position where

896
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: they need talent like that to run their defense.

897
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 6: Right.

898
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: They need the Gilmore, they need the revs, they need

899
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: the tie law, and they might have gotten one in

900
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales. So it was mainly about the positional value

901
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: of the pick at the time that I hated so much.

902
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Now we're getting into the point where the kid might

903
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: not even be able to play, and I understand that

904
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: he's injured. He knows on the injury report with that

905
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: knee injury. He was limited yesterday. He's probably gonna be

906
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: a limited or maybe even a DNP. Probably limited today.

907
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean he was out there. It's yeah, very rare

908
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: we see players stretching in their dnps.

909
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: So probably limited again today. But the main point of

910
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: it is is that I don't think he looks like

911
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: he belongs in certain areas of the game. I'm not

912
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: saying that he can't play it at all. I just

913
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a starting guard in the NFL,

914
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: starting center like down the line. Maybe, But now we're

915
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: talking about like a couple of years when David Andrews retires.

916
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to rush David Andrews.

917
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: No, he's won probably their best lineman through three weeks,

918
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: so that would be crazy to do. Yeah, So the

919
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: biggest issues that I see with Cold strange and then

920
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, obviously you give your opinion on it. He

921
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: plays too tall in his stance, that's number one. His

922
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: pad level blows all right, so it's got to get

923
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: down in his seat a little bit more. And he's

924
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: also he's too thin still, right, So he's an athletic guard.

925
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: We knew that when they drafted him. Yes, there's like

926
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: the whole zone scheme conversation, but in terms of just

927
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: pass protection and pass protection is pass protection. Whether you're

928
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: a Shanahan Tree team or you're an old school team

929
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: like the Patriots tend to be or whatever. Like, whether

930
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: you're a gap team or a zone team, everybody's past

931
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: protecting the same guys the same way, except Mike Leach. Sure,

932
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: except Mike Leach. So when I watch him pass protect,

933
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: I see a guy that it plays with his pads

934
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: too high, and I see a guy that really doesn't

935
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: have a good enough anchor, like he can't drop his anchor,

936
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: and so he just gives up ground in pass protection

937
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: and his body type is really more almost of like

938
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: a tackle now or like a center, you know. I

939
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: so remember it's not beefy enough to play on the inside.

940
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at.

941
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: When they drafted him, that was my initial reaction was,

942
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: are they going to move him out to tackles? Is

943
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: going to be like an eight soldier kind of thing?

944
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And.

945
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: Just to combine a couple of things you said there

946
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: that are my big concern. I think technically he could

947
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: come along. But Evan, we have this talk a lot

948
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: during draft season where we at all different positions on

949
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line, on the defensive line, linebacker, corner, receiver,

950
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: like I really like a player, and you'll be like, oh,

951
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: but like, look at his size. He's too small. And

952
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm always very quick to say, get him in an

953
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: NFL weight room like rookie year. By the end of

954
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: the rookie year, guys, usually you're ten fifteen pounds up,

955
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: so you're looking at one hundred and seventy pounds or

956
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: he gotta imagine him playing at like one eighty five.

957
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: You're looking at two hundred and ten pound linebacker. You

958
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: gotta look at him playing like two twenty five to

959
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: two thirty. Right, So when they drafted Cole Strange, I

960
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: remember that was my first takeaway was this guy needs

961
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: to get bigger. And it's like, all right, well he's

962
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: not going to be as a rookie, but he came

963
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: in at six five, three oh five, and it's like,

964
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: all right, if he can get up to like three

965
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: fifteen three twenty, which isn't a real unrealistic ask I, yeah,

966
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: I can see it. He's still three oh five, right,

967
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: he's still he didn't put on I think he might

968
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: be like three oh seven now. I don't want to

969
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: short change him anything, but like he's still playing in

970
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: the body he played in and he's listed three ten

971
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: now six five, three ten. He's still playing the body

972
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: played in college. He's still playing the body he played

973
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: in at Chattanooga. And that's not in addition to kind

974
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: of the lack of power that comes with it. You

975
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: said before, like, you know, he's been hurt, and let's

976
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: give him the benefit of doubt when he gets back

977
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: out there. Maybe he looks better in year two, But

978
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 1: why does he keep getting hurt because he's not big

979
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: enough to play against you know, three hundred and thirty

980
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: pounds defensive tackles that have this crazy athleticism, and he

981
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: misses time, and he missed a lot of time in camp,

982
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: he misses the start of the season, He missed time

983
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: last year. He hasn't been able to develop probably as

984
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: much as he This year's training camp was going to

985
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: be incredibly valuable.

986
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: For him in terms of and no real offensive mine.

987
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Right, And he missed it. And that was because the

988
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: injury and the injuries are becoming a thing with him.

989
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Now that's my bigger worry than anything else. It's not

990
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: necessarily I do think maybe his level of play needs

991
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: to be higher. I but my bigger worry beyond that

992
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: is how is he going to get to that point

993
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: if he can't stay on the field.

994
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: I just I'm getting to the point now with the

995
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: Patriots this season with Cole Strange that if it's truly

996
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: truly injury related and we're not we're not talking about

997
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: let's take performance out of it for a second, and

998
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: it's truly injury related, then shut him down and shut

999
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: him down, get him healthy, right, like, you know, what

1000
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: are we doing?

1001
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they see it as they can't

1002
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: can he afford to that much more time?

1003
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: Because they just carry him on the active roster so

1004
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: he can practice. But you know they let Mafi play

1005
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: in the game because he's healthy.

1006
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: That's benching. That that's benching. So my fear is that

1007
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: he's being benched. That's my what you just described as

1008
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: a bench for maybe different reasons, but that's a benching.

1009
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: Yes, But my fear is that it's not because of

1010
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: it of injury. My fear is that he's being benched

1011
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: because Mafi might be better than him.

1012
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: That's my But that would be a good thing. It's not.

1013
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a good thing because they just used

1014
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: the first round pick on the year ago.

1015
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: But in the content, I guess it's to look at it,

1016
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, look, I think and this team

1017
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: was predicated on this for a long time. They've maybe

1018
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: gone away from it in recent years. Doesn't matter if

1019
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: you're the first round pick, doesn't matter if you're the

1020
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: last udfai I.

1021
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: Hear you from like a an in season win football play.

1022
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: How many times have we pulled our hair out because

1023
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: they're not playing the better player because.

1024
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: A team contract or draft, the fact that they whipped

1025
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: on a first round pick in the middle of a rebuild.

1026
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Yes, they blew. They blew another draft pick. Sound the arms, right,

1027
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: but it's a first round pick, Alex. It's not just

1028
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: another draft right. But it happened. That's kind of that

1029
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: would be my point. It's like, yeah, they did, it happened, okay,

1030
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: and they can't go back and change the pick.

1031
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: And this is why you don't take guards in the

1032
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: first round, because because Tonio Maffi might be better.

1033
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: Than But you said you didn't want this to be

1034
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: a victory lap, so I'm trying to save you from that.

1035
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to take a victory lap, but I

1036
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: want to. I would say, I want to talk about

1037
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: the draft pick in two years ago and yeah taking it.

1038
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: The bottom line is is that I don't think Antonio

1039
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: Maffi is ready either. I think in pass protection he

1040
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: needs to get his feet faster. In pass protection, like,

1041
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: he can't move he doesn't move well. He doesn't move

1042
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: well side to side. He's probably more of a right

1043
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 2: guard than a left guard. He just doesn't move well

1044
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: and that needs to change. But with that being said,

1045
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't get walked back into the quarterback and he

1046
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: doesn't lose ground in the run game. He's a cinder block.

1047
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: He's a cinderblock. So if you can help him protect

1048
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: his edge by opening David Andrews to his side, or

1049
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, doing different things to help him so that

1050
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: he's not just one on one in pass pro against

1051
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: Quentin Williams like he was one time last week and

1052
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: it did not go well. Obviously probably won't for most

1053
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: rookies in that spot, but the point is it did

1054
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: not go well. He is at least I'm confident that

1055
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: Antonio Mafi is not going to get walked back into

1056
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: the quarterback right. And as a pass pocket passer, he

1057
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: needs to have a clean interior of the pocket.

1058
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: Yeah he had.

1059
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 2: Mac Jones has to have a pocket to step up into.

1060
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: He just has to. And so if you're gonna tell

1061
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: me that Antonio Maffi might get beat to the left

1062
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: or beat to the right every once in a while,

1063
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: but up the middle, he's gonna be solid, I would

1064
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: take that over Col Strange right now.

1065
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: And I think he's also a better run blocker. And

1066
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier how important it is this team

1067
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: needs to to I'm also curious to run the ball. No,

1068
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: it's funny, like I think we have the exact same take.

1069
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: I just have it pause. You have it negatively like

1070
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: I have.

1071
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: Negative here, because like, you can't. You can't burn a

1072
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: top thirty pick when you're in the middle of a rebuild.

1073
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: You just can't.

1074
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: You're right, But I get and I don't disagree with that.

1075
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: I think my take is more like I've seen them

1076
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: too many times do that and then still force the

1077
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: issue with the player where I'm like, all right, he's

1078
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: not gonna work. Maybe they've recognized it and they're moving on,

1079
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: and in which case I would rather see them do

1080
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: that than continue to try to make cool, strange work

1081
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna work, and just be like, well,

1082
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: you gotta save the pick. It's a first round pick.

1083
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Ship sailed. You missed the pick. You gotta you know,

1084
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: acknowledge it. Move on.

1085
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: Fine. I also, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind if

1086
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: he if he's healthy and out of concussion protocol and

1087
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: all that, obviously, which I hope he is soon. I

1088
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind like City so getting or an opportunity out

1089
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: left guard either, because so Is is a lot more

1090
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: athletic than Antonio Maffi. He's not He's not as strong.

1091
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: He's one of the top combine testers.

1092
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot more athletic at that spot. And he

1093
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: played left guard and call that's his natural position, his

1094
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: left guard. So I wonder if he also gets a

1095
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: look there at some point too, once he gets healthy.

1096
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: And Timmy Mill didn't said I am taking a victory lab.

1097
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: I really tried not to take a.

1098
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: Vic and then look, I tried kind of walking around it.

1099
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: But when you make it about what happened two years

1100
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: ago and out what's happening right now.

1101
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm just calling a spade of spade.

1102
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: You can't blow You're talking to the guy. Look, you

1103
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: can't blow that pic. You know how I am can't.

1104
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: I've done a victory lap or two in my life.

1105
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: I know a victory lap when I see it. That

1106
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a victory lab.

1107
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: I was really tried not to do that.

1108
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: You tried, you tried the point, but you you had it.

1109
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: Faith is saying it was a victory lab to you.

1110
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: You were, you were good up until like the last part,

1111
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: and you you took more step than you needed to because.

1112
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: Almost frustrating they were, they were I'm not gonna try

1113
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: cutting off.

1114
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just said, if you had said, good for

1115
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: them for recognizing he's not a player. Moving on, you

1116
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: could have stopped right there.

1117
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: I can't give him that. I can't give him that.

1118
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: It's still too it's still too fresh. That's what it becomes,

1119
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: a fresh all right, Let's take a call from Tommy

1120
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: in New Jersey. What's up Tommy?

1121
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 5: Hey, guys were good. Hey, I just want to give

1122
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: you all some props. Man, Like, when I'm watching the

1123
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 5: games on Sunday, I've always been like real into strategy

1124
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 5: and seeing things, and I have to say, like, yo,

1125
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: podcast does a great job of making me see the

1126
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 5: game more in that light.

1127
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1128
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's what just what it wants.

1129
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: That's literally the purpose of the show. So thank you.

1130
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 5: Appreciate It's unlike anything else out there. I mean, granted

1131
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 5: I don't really follow any other team, but as far

1132
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 5: as that regards like it, it really like satisfies that

1133
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 5: craving for like strategy.

1134
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: In my life.

1135
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1136
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 5: One subject I want to touch on, and I know

1137
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 5: this has probably been hashed out already, but I just

1138
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 5: kind of want to hear you take on it. You know,

1139
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 5: Bill gets a lot of grief for not being a

1140
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 5: great like identifier of offensive talent I think time to time,

1141
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 5: but that hasn't always been the case. I mean, from

1142
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven to twenty twelve, we witnessed probably

1143
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 5: some of the most potent offenses we had seen in

1144
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 5: NFL history before from the Patriots, and a lot of

1145
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 5: that had to do with like personnel decisions as well

1146
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 5: as schematic you know, they did a lot of stuff

1147
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 5: at that time that was really innovative, like the one

1148
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 5: word play calls, you know, with the hurry up and

1149
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 5: then going away from the wide receiver based offense to

1150
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: the more two tight end offenses. I guess what I'm

1151
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 5: getting at is why did Bill use that touch on

1152
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 5: being ahead of the curve when it came to offensive football,

1153
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: and why hasn't he been able to recapture that mojo.

1154
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 5: It's almost like he went backwards in his things.

1155
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, Tommy, and thanks for the

1156
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: call and thanks for listening. I think the biggest thing

1157
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: with Bill and offense is that in those those that

1158
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: time period, right talking about Randy Moss, right, you know,

1159
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: you're getting Randy Moss and and uh, you know, the

1160
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: resurgent Randy Moss at the time, and rescuing his career,

1161
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: and then we're really talking about drafting Gronk. Yeah, and

1162
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: those two guys. And this has always been mi Gras

1163
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: and finding Welker, I but Tho, but finding Welker, finding Edelman,

1164
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: those those at different but but in general, like finding

1165
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: those guys are I think that they have those tertiary

1166
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: pieces right now, Like I think that if you had

1167
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: no one's Randy Moss or Rob Gronkowski, so let's not

1168
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: use them, but like if you if you had Justin Jefferson, sure,

1169
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: if you had Justin Jefferson and now Kendrick Bourne and

1170
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: Juju and Pop Douglas and those guys are all like

1171
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: you're two through four on your depth chart, then I

1172
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: feel like they're they're in a caliber that those guys

1173
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: could potentially be those secondary receiving options for this team.

1174
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: What I think Bill misses now when it comes to

1175
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 2: offensive talent is that he had unicorns on offense, but

1176
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: he hasn't really gone out now and aggressively pursued unicorns. Again,

1177
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: Like obviously he had a unicorn at quarterback. We all

1178
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: know that. But you can't just recreate Tom Brady. So

1179
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: that's that's its own thing. But he had a unicorn

1180
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: at quarterback, he had a unicorn at tight end, he

1181
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: had a unicorn for a little bit at receiver. And

1182
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: those guys are not on this team anymore. But I

1183
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: think the question they haven't really tried.

1184
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: I think the question was more why hasn't he been

1185
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: like he found all these unicorns before? Why can't he

1186
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: find because Gronk in the second round, he got Randy

1187
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: Moss for fourth round pick. It's not like he paid

1188
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: premium assets. Yes, I would say it's not a Bill Belichick.

1189
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that he can't find these guys anymore.

1190
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's that they're more valued now and Randy

1191
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Moss isn't getting traded for a fourth round pick in

1192
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: today's NFL. Like I get he had the down years

1193
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: with the Raiders, but at the time it was, yeah,

1194
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: this guy's had a couple of down years. There's like

1195
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: risk here, we don't really want to deal with that.

1196
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: Now somebody will pay and take the risk. A guy

1197
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: like Rob Gronkowski, even with his back issues.

1198
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: Might still be a first round Mike is.

1199
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: Probably still going to be a first round pick because

1200
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: teams are gonna see what that potential looks you look

1201
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: at perfect example here, Jackson Smith and Jigblay didn't play

1202
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: an entire year in college and he still went in

1203
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: the first round ten years ago. That guy doesn't go

1204
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: in the first round. Teams look at that and say,

1205
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: you sat out the year. We don't know. So I actually,

1206
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: this isn't necessarily to defend Bill. I don't think I

1207
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: said he can't find the unicorns anymore. I just think

1208
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: they cost it. It's it's reframing.

1209
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: It so because I you know, I got to pile

1210
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: on here. Yeah, he doesn't want He hasn't adjusted to

1211
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: the cost of the market, right teams.

1212
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: Teams are better at identifying those guys now than they were.

1213
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: So those guys now cost more and Bill's not he

1214
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: either asking as much he does.

1215
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever did to your point, right,

1216
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: like he a fourth round pick for Randy Moss. He

1217
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: got Gronk in the second.

1218
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: But that is my point, is right, I mean, right, okay, yeah, yeah,

1219
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: those guys aren't available for that first right.

1220
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: So now the market has changed and shifted to now

1221
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: these guys are first round picks locks or they're twenty

1222
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: million dollars receivers, and he's still trying to play the

1223
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: same price point that he paid for Randy Moss in

1224
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, right.

1225
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: Right, exactly, Like that's like what happened with Hopkins, right right, right.

1226
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: So that's that's the market. The market has changed. And

1227
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if it's that he doesn't recognize it,

1228
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: because I give him he's way smarter than that. Yet,

1229
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: So I don't say that by any means, I think

1230
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: he recognizes it. I just don't think that he sees

1231
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: the value in it. Like I don't think he thinks

1232
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: that those guys are as valuable as other teams do, right.

1233
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: And so that's the question of it's not like, oh

1234
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: he's an idiot, he doesn't see it. No one's saying

1235
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: that it's is he right? Is he right? Are are

1236
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: they really not as valuable as we think? Because I

1237
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 2: think in Bill's mind he looks at it and says,

1238
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: and I'm, you know, speaking for him now, So I

1239
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: don't know this for a fact, but I think in

1240
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: his mind he looks at it and says, there's not

1241
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: that big of a difference between the receivers that I

1242
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: have and the receivers that they have. We look at

1243
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: it and say there's a huge difference, right, Like we're

1244
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: talking about a mountain in between Tyreek Hill and the

1245
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: number one receiver on the Patriots. Bill looks at it

1246
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: and looks at it differently, and that's just that's a

1247
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: philosophical difference between the way that most teams operate now

1248
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: and the way the Patriots.

1249
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that he thinks that there's not that

1250
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: much of a difference in terms of their ability. I

1251
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: think it's impact on the game, right. It comes down

1252
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: to usage, and it's well, if I use this guy

1253
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: this way, I'm going to get this kind of outcome

1254
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: to the first point of that caller made, though, somebody

1255
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: tweeted at me during the game on Sunday and said,

1256
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was when they started running

1257
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: like the under center play action stuff. They like, it's great.

1258
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I listened to Catch twenty two and it's like, I

1259
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: know what to expect from the game. That was like

1260
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: the biggest compliment. They're like, it's like I I hear

1261
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: on Thursday and I know what I'm going to see

1262
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: on Sunday and boom there it is. It's like one

1263
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: for one. That was such an awesome compliment. Whoever tweeted

1264
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: that didn't thank you.

1265
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: That was cool to see.

1266
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: That's what we're going for.

1267
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: That's what we want. You know that that's the show.

1268
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: I do want to get into some of that play

1269
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: action stuff.

1270
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to talk about it, but it's

1271
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 2: clear the lines. A lot of people calling in today.

1272
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: John is in Louisiana. What's up, John? How you doing.

1273
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 3: The funniest thing is that I learned about Evan was

1274
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: when Cole Streams got drafted and your big on the Moor.

1275
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: He was just like at the big.

1276
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: If we're not victory lapping today, John, I'm not doing it.

1277
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: But I just had to get on wild hate and

1278
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: don't kill me for this. I know you don't like him.

1279
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't think that Nikhil. One game that I think

1280
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: about with the Indiana game, when they threw the bomb

1281
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: when we lost it, I think that's how it was

1282
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: going to be.

1283
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 2: But IM gonna take out the line don't kill Okay, John,

1284
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. I hear what he's saying that.

1285
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: You know, Nikhil Harry agrees with him. I've said that

1286
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: for a long time. Yeah, Nikil Harry thinks that he

1287
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: was used incorrectly. I here with the Patriots and wasn't

1288
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: developed properly, And maybe there is some truth to that,

1289
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: but if it, it hasn't caught on anywhere else. Right,

1290
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: So that's the thing that works against him in that

1291
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: argument is like, Okay, so does no team how to

1292
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 2: use you, know how to use you correctly.

1293
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: Or you just don't have it well. I think if

1294
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: he had been used better, maybe he developed. Like I

1295
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know that there was ever right way that the

1296
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: debt for that pick to turn out, but I do

1297
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: think a big part of it was his usage was wrong.

1298
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: It stunted his development as a player. I actually kind

1299
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: of agree with that.

1300
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. I think that in general,

1301
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: like we're kind of getting to the same place. But

1302
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: for me, it was always the scheme fit right, Like

1303
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: he just didn't fit what they wanted that position to do.

1304
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: They were they thought of him as this, oh, big

1305
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: outside receiver, he can block, he can go win at

1306
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: the catch point, and like the idea that I can

1307
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: understand what they were going for, but they in order

1308
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: to use a high pick on a receiver, this team

1309
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: needs to be looking for route runners, IQ players, separation

1310
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: like traits like that, you know, trades. I like the

1311
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: guys that have succeeded here. You know, I always say

1312
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: Gonzo is a rookie of the month, and one of

1313
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: the rookies of the month in the Patriots history is

1314
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: Deon branch Y. And I was like, let's like, can

1315
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: we just recreate Don branch Right, I'm not asking for

1316
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: Randy Moss. I'm not asking for a superstar receiver, you know,

1317
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson. But like Deon branch was a great Patriots

1318
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 2: receiver because he was a great high IQ football player.

1319
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: Plus he had athleticism and speed and all those types

1320
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: of things too. So that's why I love Zay Flowers

1321
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: so much for them, right, it was because it's that

1322
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: combination of things.

1323
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: Douglas Pop, Douglas, Yes, absolutely.

1324
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 2: All right, Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

1325
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I was trying to ask you guys before

1326
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 6: a little bit about what not you guys, but the

1327
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 6: PU crew about yards and such like that, and I

1328
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 6: was hoping to get a little bit more information. You

1329
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 6: hearing Parilla say that, well, if we get two interceptions

1330
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 6: or good turnovers, and we can you know, turn the

1331
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 6: field over and score touchdowns, we can win. I was like,

1332
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 6: uh oh, so really, you know, this game is seems

1333
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 6: like it's gonna come down to who's going to make

1334
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 6: the first big mistake and where it goes from there.

1335
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, I'm a little bit nervous

1336
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 6: because I think our guys are a little bit more

1337
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 6: prone to making mistakes. And I think that's been part

1338
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 6: of the problem with the culture here in New England

1339
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 6: for the past four or five years, is nobody keeps

1340
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 6: people accountable. It seems like mistakes are made overreactions are done.

1341
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 6: It's either too far one way, too far the other way,

1342
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 6: and nobody's just held just like Okay, what's going on?

1343
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 6: Why did we do this? What was done? And it

1344
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 6: does seem to get corrected. It just seems to be

1345
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 6: everything's reactive. There's nothing proactive with respect to that. Oh no,

1346
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 6: what you guys think of that?

1347
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Todd. Yeah, I Todd had asked

1348
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: on PU about you had like a four hundred yard

1349
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: threshold for this.

1350
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: Game, and I don't know, I total, yeah, buy that.

1351
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: He just I don't know, I.

1352
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: Don't really like know how to what to do with that,

1353
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but anyway to his point about like holding people,

1354
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: I feel like we get this type of question in

1355
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: some way, shape or for him a lot about you know,

1356
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: the mental errors and like the turnovers and this didn't

1357
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: that wasn't Patriots football in the Brady years, right, they

1358
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: never turned the ball over. They never had these mental issues.

1359
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: So like, it's the same head coach, So why are

1360
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: these things happening? And because it's the same head coach,

1361
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: and because they're preaching the same things, I have to

1362
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: think that sometimes it's just when you're touching above your

1363
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 2: weight talent wise, you're trying to make plays, you're pressing,

1364
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: you're trying to do things that maybe are outside of

1365
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: your purview a little bit, and so you turn the

1366
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: ball over, right, Like you know, Pop Douglas is a

1367
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: perfect example. In that Miami game. He cuts back, you know,

1368
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: makes a great runs a good route, gets open, catches

1369
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: the football, and then he cuts back and he tries

1370
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: to take off for the end zone. And he said

1371
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: after the game that he saw the end zone, he

1372
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: saw nobody in front of him, and his eyes got

1373
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: big and he just started running towards the end zone.

1374
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Pop Douglas should have caught

1375
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 2: the ball and gone down to protect the football or

1376
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: anything like that. But those are the types of things

1377
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: that I feel like happen. And then he fumbles because

1378
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: he's still a rookie and he's still developing, and he's

1379
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: not he's not there yet, right, you know, he's not.

1380
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: So I think what they had really good players for

1381
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: twenty years, and those really good players could Gronk could

1382
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: go up and moss somebody and then drag six guys

1383
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: with him and not fumble because he's Rob Gronkowski and

1384
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 2: he's going on in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1385
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: right like that. And I think that sometimes with the

1386
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: Patriots now, people labeled them and this is like kind

1387
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: of a pet peeve of mine lately, people labeled these

1388
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: things as self inflicted wounds, the turnovers, right like this

1389
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 2: interception was a self inflicted wound. That fumble was a

1390
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: self inflicted wound. I don't necessarily look at it as

1391
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: self inflicted. I look at it as the divine Parker interception. Yeah,

1392
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 2: Mac Jones trying to make a play. They haven't made

1393
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: a play all night, right, He's trying to throw it

1394
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: up to the guy that's supposed to be his top

1395
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: outside contested catch receiver and Devonte Parker lost to Xavian Howard.

1396
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's not any bigger than that, right, Like

1397
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 2: it's just your guy was not as good as their

1398
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: guy on that play. And I feel like the people

1399
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 2: that was a bad decision by the quarterback, a bad

1400
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: rap by the receiver, and like it could all could

1401
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: have been better, and then it wouldn't have happened, or

1402
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: maybe they could have a better player in that spot,

1403
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I feel like the

1404
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: self inflicted label gets thrown around a lot, and I

1405
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: don't think that's what it is.

1406
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: I think some of them are. I think to say,

1407
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: none of the turnovers, none of the penalties are self

1408
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: inflicted wounds. Is you know, you got to go on

1409
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: a play by play basis, But people don't want to

1410
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: use nuance when talking about this team. Yeah, no they

1411
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: I would agree that the self inflicted wound wasn't tomorrow

1412
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Douglas fumble. The self inflicted wound was benching him for

1413
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the game.

1414
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, that's fair. All right, Let's get to

1415
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: our our studs and duds from last week. An hour

1416
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: and ten minutes into the show. We're getting to what

1417
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 2: we were supposed to lead with the show. That's that's

1418
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: the That's also Patriots.

1419
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: This organization thing you're doing is totally gonna work.

1420
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: All right, three studs. Yeah, I'll go first with my

1421
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: first stud of this game. Jawan Bentley. Okay, I thought

1422
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: Jowan Bentley was fantastic in this game. I thought he

1423
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: absolutely read the Jets run game like a book. I

1424
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 2: think he knew where he was supposed to be when

1425
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be there. This is part of

1426
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm a little bit confident in this

1427
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: Dallas game is because if you're going to come right

1428
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: at Jawan Bentley, Jawan Bentley's going to make you pay

1429
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 2: all game long for that. I thought he was really

1430
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: good in this game. And I thought he was, you know,

1431
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: just someone that you could tell has played this Jets

1432
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: team a lot, has played this scheme a lot. I

1433
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: read it well, blocked deconstruction, slipping into gaps, stopping to run.

1434
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 2: I thought one point nine yards of carry for the

1435
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 2: Jets in a game that they needed to be able

1436
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: to run the ball. I thought the reason why they

1437
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: couldn't run the ball if I had to say who

1438
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: was the biggest reason for that, I would give it

1439
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: to Juwan Bentley.

1440
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that. He's been you know,

1441
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hype about him in the offseason

1442
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: about like, hey, you know, he's kind of one of

1443
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: the best kept secrets in football, and you know, he

1444
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: was thought of as as just like thumper linebacker for

1445
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: a long time, and he's really rounded out his game.

1446
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: You're seeing it like that wasn't all just hype, There's

1447
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: there's real substance behind that, all right, christianan soalez Man, Oh, yeah,

1448
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: he was. He was excellent again against a really good receiver,

1449
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: and Garrett Wilson just continues to check boxes. I think

1450
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: he's got another big test coming up this week. But

1451
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: you could argue that this was his easiest test of

1452
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: his career so far, and it's going up against thousand

1453
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: yard receiver rookie of the year, and easiest doesn't mean easy.

1454
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Garrett Wilson's still really good. But Aj Brown,

1455
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill.

1456
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and plus the quarterback throwing the.

1457
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: Ball all that helped.

1458
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: But no, but but that's the only reason why he was.

1459
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: He's on my list, but he's third because of the

1460
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson see.

1461
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: I I kind of downplay that because maybe statistically that

1462
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: comes in, but the route being runs the route being

1463
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: run regardless of who the quarterback is. And I thought

1464
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: a good job sticking with him.

1465
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: I did too. I thought he was great in this

1466
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 2: game too. I think, what's the two things that have

1467
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: surprised me the most about Christian Gonzales Because we both

1468
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 2: loved Christian Gonzales. I'm not surprised that he's a good

1469
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: player and that he has talent and all that kind

1470
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 2: of stuff. The mental side of it has really surprised me.

1471
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: And I wonder not to take anything away from him,

1472
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 2: but I do wonder like if they are kind of

1473
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: easing him in on that side of things, of and

1474
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: being like just you got this guy right, like, you know,

1475
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: and just trying to simplify it a little bit for

1476
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: him just so that it doesn't come into play. But

1477
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: the fact that they he has played what all but

1478
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: one snap in is like a goal. Yeah, yeah, he's

1479
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 2: played every snap but one. And I have never written

1480
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 2: down like bust the coverage bust or like miscommunication or

1481
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 2: anything like that with Christian Gonzalez.

1482
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: This is the guy we thought he was gonna be.

1483
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: Remember we were talking about back in April. First round

1484
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: pick's got to be a ninety percent usage rake guy, guy,

1485
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: you can lean on this, and that's what he's been. Yeah,

1486
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: he doesn't. They're not using him like they use rookies.

1487
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I remember talking to his college coach at

1488
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: at Oregon, who coached him at Colorado and at Oregon,

1489
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: and he said that he kept Christian Gonzalez's notebooks to

1490
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 2: show the kids that are at Oregon. Now, yeah, because

1491
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez would take such meticulous notes in the classroom,

1492
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 2: in the film room, and in the meeting rooms that

1493
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 2: that was like the model to the to his coach,

1494
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: Blake and on his name right now, I apologize, but

1495
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: that was Christian Gonzalez's like study habits were what this

1496
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: coach wanted every player's study habits to be. And when

1497
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: I heard that, I was like, Oh, that's a lot.

1498
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: That's a patriot, right, Like that's a patriot type of player.

1499
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: But in general, like in terms of him being like

1500
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: together with the rest of the group and not busting

1501
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 2: coverages and not you know, having things like that happen.

1502
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to his study habits like

1503
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: he's on it. You know, he's really on it. Really

1504
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: mature kid. He's been excellent. He fits the scheme like

1505
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 2: a glove, like it's just a perfect match made in heaven.

1506
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: It really is defensive Rookie of the Month, I think

1507
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: a step really towards Rookie of the Year defensively. I

1508
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: don't think that it's crazy to start talking about that.

1509
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: I know it's three games in and I'm not putting

1510
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: him in Canton right Like, I'm like, I'm giving him

1511
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year. I'm not putting him in the

1512
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. I think that he has a real

1513
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: chance to win that award.

1514
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just tough because it always goes to

1515
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: pass rushers, but like he should be in consideration. Like

1516
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why I think he's not the

1517
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: favorite right now. It's just historical context. They rarely give

1518
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: it to corners.

1519
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. I look at like Stefan Gilmore as Defensive Player

1520
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: of the Year season, same thing, and it's totally different.

1521
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year and Rookie Defensive Player of

1522
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: the Year. Totally different things.

1523
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: No, but it's the same idea. That's a word that

1524
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: usually you got to be better than the best guy

1525
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: because positionally it usually factors one way.

1526
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: Right, And the point is is that people recognized, Okay,

1527
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 2: in Belichick's system, the number one corner is a big,

1528
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: big deal, and Gilmore played it at such a high

1529
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: level that he was a deserving Defensive Player of the Year.

1530
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: I think that Gonzalez is on a similar track amongst

1531
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: rookies that that could be in play. All right, So

1532
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: Gonzalez is third on mind, so I'll just skip him

1533
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: again because we just talked about it. Trent Brown, Okay,

1534
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 2: Trent Brown was my next one thought. He was fantastic

1535
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 2: in this game. A pass protection clean sheet for a

1536
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: left tackle in an NFL game is rare, and I

1537
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: know they only threw the ball twenty nine times or

1538
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: something like that, but he had nineteen straight dropback pass

1539
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: reps right, no screens, no play action, no RPO, just

1540
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: straight dropback clean sheet. Dominated the matchup against Carloston and

1541
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: Jermaine Johnson. Amazing footwork in in his kick slide. I

1542
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: use a lot of vertical sets where he just kicks

1543
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: right straight back and he's just one of those guys.

1544
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: It's just so freaking big that he's just gonna he's

1545
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: just gonna eclipse the quarterback, like like you're gonna have

1546
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: to come through me to get to the quarterback. I'm

1547
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: not gonna come to you. You're gonna come to me.

1548
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 2: And he did a great, great job in this game.

1549
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: A couple of the combination blocks that he had were

1550
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: like offensive linemen highlights, right, those are hard to find sometimes,

1551
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 2: but you can get on a double team and move

1552
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage and push guys six seven eight

1553
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 2: yards off the ball. Those are offensive lineman highlights from

1554
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: Trent Brown. I thought this was the best game I

1555
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: have personally ever seen him play.

1556
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's I mean, he plays really good games

1557
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen. So that's how I praise yep.

1558
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: I think it was the best I've ever seen him play,

1559
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: and one of the better tackle games I've seen.

1560
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: I have been saying, put the tape run over the hall.

1561
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: You're saying, put the tape in the hall.

1562
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: It was fantastic, all right. He did have the one caveat,

1563
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: because you're telling me I'm being too positive. The one

1564
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 2: caveat is that he got the easier matchups, right, like

1565
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: the hard John Franklin Myers and Bryce Huffer, their two

1566
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: best pass rushers off the edge. They rushed over the

1567
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: right tackle in this game.

1568
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: So I thought you were gonna say the one caveat

1569
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: is the false start, and I actually I don't care

1570
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: a all, no, because I was watching games and people like, oh,

1571
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 1: come on, what a dumb penalty.

1572
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1573
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't care at all about Trent Brown getting the

1574
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: fall starts because every tackle in the league does this

1575
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: right now, the good ones.

1576
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: So when I watched it back, I initially didn't even

1577
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 2: think he false started.

1578
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think so either, But I just I want

1579
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: to explain this because people want to get oh, Trent

1580
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: Brown the penalties. He's not that good. Every tackle in

1581
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: the league is trying to leave half a beat early,

1582
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: and for the one time you get called for that

1583
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: in the game, it's worth it. It's worth it. For

1584
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: the thirty forty fifty something times you do it, you don't,

1585
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: I agree. I could not care that is a worthwhile penalty.

1586
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: I do not care about. It happened in an opportunity

1587
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,560
Speaker 1: time that sucks. I could not care less about that penalty.

1588
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: And it was so close that I had to go

1589
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: frame by frame to see the bottle move and see

1590
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 2: Trent move. It was that close.

1591
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: I honestly wonder if it was one of those ones

1592
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: where like he was getting a little too egregious in

1593
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: the snaps leading up, so they called him just to

1594
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: check them.

1595
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think so. The way the Jets players

1596
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: reacted was like finally they called it, right. Yeah, So

1597
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 2: my guess is, but.

1598
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: But and that's what it's going to be. If you're

1599
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 1: gonna kind of leave that half beat early all game

1600
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: and you got to get called once as a check,

1601
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: I think you take that one hundred percent right yours? No,

1602
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: it was my second oh right because I I but

1603
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: I kind of butchered it too. Not Trent Brown, yeah,

1604
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: Pharaoh Brown, and I didn't have him, but I figured

1605
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 1: you would, so go it. It goes a little deeper

1606
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: than just like, look, the fifty eight yard catching run

1607
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: is awesome. And for a guy that's six six, two sixty,

1608
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying his top like he's not gonna go

1609
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: win the he's not gonna go win the forty, but

1610
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: like that's a good top gear for guy his size. Yeah. Uh,

1611
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: the usage too, we talked about it last week. Can

1612
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: we get a traditional fallback in there and go and

1613
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: so I guess this is Pharaoh Brown slash Bill O'Brien.

1614
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1615
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: I love that they were using him as a traditional fullback,

1616
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: not just because it's set up to play action, but

1617
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: like that should be a thing. I hope that's not

1618
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: a one and done.

1619
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it can be.

1620
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: I want to see them lining up in the eye

1621
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: with with with Zeke or Remandrie behind Pharaoh Brown and

1622
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: pounding the rock. And I was so excited when I

1623
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: before the touchdown, I was ready to put Pharaoh Brown

1624
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 1: as an up because I got so excited when I

1625
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: saw that. So the catching runs great. I'm not saying

1626
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: that that wasn't good, but like the usage Farah Brown,

1627
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, love that wrinkle. That's awesome. Keep keep bringing

1628
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: that back.

1629
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of my points in game observation.

1630
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: I was giddy about it too. I mean, that's exactly

1631
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: what we've been looking for. Uh so they wouldn't, I wonder.

1632
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: I forget, I think you coached that, Howard. There's like

1633
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: a college coach that invented this this formation. Yeah, and

1634
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: I forget what it's called, but basically it's a shotgun, right,

1635
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: because all these teams run spread right, so nobody's under

1636
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 2: center in college, so it's shotgun with the running back

1637
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: off set as usual, but then the full back will

1638
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: line up in front of the running back. Oh the.

1639
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: Uh the Giants run that.

1640
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I I'll look it up and I

1641
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: and remember it. They did it with Cam McDaniels, did

1642
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 2: it with Johnson. Yeah, in twenty twenty. I would love

1643
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: to see that. And then now we get like real

1644
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: fever dream because then you get the RPO attached to

1645
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: off of that right, and then you have the lead

1646
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: blocker and you do lead r PO. Well you can

1647
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: now now I.

1648
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: Need you can build some motions into that too, and

1649
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right. So I had Christian

1650
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: goan Zales is my third up, and so I did

1651
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: three in case there was overlap, and the one overlap

1652
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: I already burned mine. I'll just go real quick. Kendrick Bourne,

1653
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: I thought really good against Sauce Gardner.

1654
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some good round.

1655
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: He was excellent in that game.

1656
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: Yep.

1657
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: This was Zeke's best game and I think he's getting

1658
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: going now. Although the one run I thought, if he

1659
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: just did the big run he had, I think was

1660
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: in the third quarter of the left. If he stays

1661
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: to the why did he cut back in? I felt

1662
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: like if he stayed.

1663
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: The outside, he just Gondre does the same thing.

1664
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I it can't.

1665
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1666
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: It was too early in the game to be like,

1667
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out of bound.

1668
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, And he should have kept running to.

1669
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: I thought maybe there was a safety that wasn't on

1670
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: the TV copy, but I didn't see that. Sounds weird, right,

1671
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: And then so I'm gonna make this my third because

1672
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: I want to correct some people. A lot of people

1673
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: knocking Bryce Bearinger in this game, because like, why is

1674
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: he only kicking the ball?

1675
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 2: Let's let's clear the table for Alex for this one.

1676
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: Why is he only kicking? Why is he only kicking

1677
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: the ball to fifteen? He's not kicking it that far.

1678
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: And it's seems like he's leaving yardage on the table

1679
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: on a day like that where it's windy in the

1680
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: field is slick, like those weren't mishits. That's what he's

1681
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to do. And the way I know that the

1682
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: way so there's different kinds of punts, the way you

1683
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: drop the ball everybody probably just thinks, like you drop

1684
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: the ball like parallel to the ground, right, There's all

1685
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: these different angles and you get different results, and one

1686
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: of them is you drop it actually with the nose

1687
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: straight down, and that's referred to as like the pitching wedge. Yeah,

1688
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: because that thing's gonna pop straight up, it's gonna come

1689
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: straight down. It's gonna be a very controlled roll when

1690
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: it's windy and it's slick.

1691
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: That's what you want to do.

1692
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: That's what you want to do, because the ball it's

1693
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: not gonna like kick in these random directions. It's gonna

1694
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: hit the ground. It's gonna roll softly ahead. So you're

1695
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 1: trying to pop that thing right up, land it right

1696
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: at about the fifteen. It's gonna take a slow roll,

1697
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: probably right around the ten. You're not gonna risk the

1698
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: wind carrying the ball into the end zone or cutting

1699
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: it short or whatever. They were executing the kind of

1700
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 1: kicks I believe they wanted to execute for the conditions,

1701
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: And I love this people.

1702
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: This is why people listen to the people, because nobody

1703
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: else knows anything about punting, so good for you.

1704
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: People want to say he was kicking the ball short.

1705
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: They were all eye twenties. I think given the offense

1706
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: and Zach Wilson, Yeah, getting the ball to the thirteen

1707
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: and getting the ball to the three, they looked at

1708
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: it and said, there's not much of a difference there.

1709
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: We don't want to risk the touchbacks. I think that

1710
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: was the exact And people think I'm being easy on

1711
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: special teams, Wait till we get to the duds, but

1712
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: I think those were the Again, go back and look

1713
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: at it. He drops the ball nose down. That tells

1714
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: me they were going for those pitching wedge punts. They

1715
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: weren't trying to boot the ball out of the building.

1716
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: So which will be something maybe they do this week.

1717
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: We'll get to that when we get.

1718
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,799
Speaker 2: To touch This is a big thing for you. Yeah, okay,

1719
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: but we both have a dad on special teams. I

1720
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: think everybody that watched the game knows where we're going

1721
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: with it. But I want to say just I want

1722
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: to give to your special team some kudos. Yeah, because

1723
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: it feels to me and I get that there. I'm

1724
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: one of them sometimes and I try not to do

1725
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,759
Speaker 2: it as much anymore because I do see the value

1726
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 2: in it and I see how hard those guys work.

1727
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: Because We're here every day and we see it, right. Yeah,

1728
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: the it feels to me like they're playing chess again

1729
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: on special teams a little bit. And I think that

1730
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: that's Joe Judge mostly. I think so and so nobody,

1731
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: nobody in this building that works for Patriots dot Com

1732
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: is more critical than of Joe Judge than me. Yeah

1733
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: last year, and I'm not no one's walking back on it,

1734
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: Like I like that was all that was on offense criticism.

1735
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 2: Let's give Joe Judge some props. He's They've coached really, really,

1736
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: really well on special teams through three games.

1737
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: And I think part of it too is not I

1738
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: honestly don't even make this means to take away Joe Judge.

1739
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: It's in addition to and people are gonna roll their

1740
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 1: eyes at this. Yeah, they kind of had the same

1741
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: guys for a while. Yeah, and you think the new

1742
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: blood is as much as people roll their eyes at

1743
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 1: the assets that that they use on special teams and

1744
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: the draft picks and the roster spots. Brandon school are

1745
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: a new guy. He's been a big part of that.

1746
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: I think having a new kicker and a new punter,

1747
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: there's some new things you can try with that. Yeah,

1748
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's part of it too. They've kind

1749
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: of they've outside of Slater, it's kind of all been overturned, right,

1750
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: Cody Davis isn't playing. Brandon Bolden's gone, Justin Bethel's gone. Right,

1751
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 1: It's it's Brendan's Schooler, it's a mere speed, It's it's

1752
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: Calvin Munts. And it's a very different group.

1753
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 2: Besides the field goal operation, which we'll get to in

1754
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: a second. I the way that they're covering things that

1755
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: obviously the Brandon Schooler block, Yeah, the the sling shot

1756
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: move that Joe Houston taught Brandon Schooler on punts that

1757
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 2: we were talking with him about that yesterday in the

1758
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: locker room. Like these things are just like this is

1759
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 2: this is Belichick Chestnut checkers on special teams. And I

1760
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 2: want to give some some credit to Joe Judge. I

1761
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: know he also caught a lot of flag for the

1762
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: meeting thing in the offseason, and like deservedly so. But

1763
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: at the same time, they they're they're back to like

1764
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 2: winning the game. And I'm just saying, like winning the

1765
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: game overall. I'm just saying, like they're winning the special

1766
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 2: team's battle every single week again, and there's something to

1767
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: be said for that, all right, duds. Number one dud

1768
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: for me is Juju Smith Schuster the number one dud.

1769
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 2: I said it like that because, like I do think

1770
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 2: that some of the issues that they were having were

1771
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: rain related. I hate it that he used that as

1772
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: an excuse yesterday, but I'll use it for him. Like,

1773
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 2: let us let us make the excuses Juju, right, Like,

1774
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,440
Speaker 2: let us explain these things away by saying it's rain regardless.

1775
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: I think the rain it was a factor. I'll say that,

1776
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 2: and I also think a lot of the factors. Just

1777
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 2: he needs more reps with mac Jones, right, like they

1778
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: need to be more on the same page. Their chemistry

1779
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: needs to improve, that sort of thing. But ultimately, you

1780
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: just watch them. You watch them run routes, you watch

1781
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 2: them move, and I just I we all don't see it.

1782
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: We all don't see a lot of juice there right now.

1783
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 2: And this is one thing that I have been hard

1784
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 2: on myself about is how wrong I was about this

1785
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: swap for Jacoby Myers. Jacoby Myers should still be a patriot.

1786
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: We all know that I like Juju. I like Juju,

1787
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: going back to the USC, liked him as a prospect

1788
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: like them in Pittsburgh. But they I got this one wrong.

1789
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: He Jacoby Myers is the better player. Jacoby Myers is

1790
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: a better fit for the Patriots, and Jacoby Myers should

1791
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: still be here. That doesn't mean that Juju can turn

1792
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: it around. But right now, three games in, uh, this

1793
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: looks like a massive mistake.

1794
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought, and I was with you, but I

1795
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: think we thought we were getting a version of Juju

1796
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 1: from the Schuster that we just haven't gotten. But to

1797
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: the rain thing in the chemistry with mac Jones, none

1798
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: of that explains ear holing CJ. Mosley on a first

1799
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: down five seconds after that, right.

1800
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: And that's what made him Like I don't think his

1801
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 2: play was number one dud worthy on my list, necessarily

1802
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: because I think some other guys were worse. But in

1803
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 2: terms of like why he was number one, it's because

1804
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: on top of the fact that you're not making any

1805
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: play as you're taking stupid penalties.

1806
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: On Yeah, that was just a really dumb penalty. I

1807
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: just I don't know why he did that, And uh,

1808
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: that's why he's on my down list for me, because

1809
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: and I were you see a guy struggle, and players

1810
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: struggle to start the season, But it's how do you

1811
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: handle it?

1812
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1813
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: If that's how he's gonna handle it, that's not a

1814
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: good sign.

1815
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's next?

1816
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: I saw had juju number one? Yep, number two. I

1817
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: have a combo. I have you just said, let us

1818
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 1: make the excuses right about everything. I have Joe Cardona

1819
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: slash the Jets ground crew because Joe Krka's God forbid

1820
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: we criticized Joe Cardona anything. So there's a couple of

1821
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: layers here. When I when I wrote this on ninety

1822
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: eight five to the Sports up dot com, I actually

1823
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: had the the end of half execution. Yeah, and it

1824
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: wasn't just Joe Cardona because I.

1825
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Didn't sneak on second down was terrible too.

1826
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: What is the real difference between a fifty seven and

1827
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: fifty nine yard field goal?

1828
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Nothing right?

1829
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: And it's not like they didn't have a timeout or

1830
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: like they had a timeout. Throw over the middle of

1831
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: the field, try to get Chad Ryland a better look.

1832
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: So that was issue one. Issue two was the bad

1833
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: snap by Joe Cardona, and issue three was the field

1834
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: conditions were a mess and I don't know if they

1835
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 1: went down and used like crayola, you know, water paints

1836
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. But an NFL field shouldn't look like that,

1837
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: plain and simple.

1838
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: So you just had a whole the field as it did.

1839
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: I love you.

1840
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: You just had it well, the grounds cruise job, yeah,

1841
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: a whole mess of things. Yeah that led to that.

1842
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: But you also had the other bad snap that. Yeah,

1843
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: it was that forty seven yards which is long, but

1844
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: it's not unrealistic, especially for a guy like Ryland.

1845
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, he would have made that kick.

1846
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: I think the whole operation there, from the setup to

1847
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 1: the snap to where their kit like, it was just

1848
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: it was. It was bad. It was all bad. It

1849
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: was very bad. I didn't like any of it. Help

1850
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: your rookie kicker out a little bit.

1851
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 2: More so, I had Joe hard on my list too.

1852
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 2: Both those snaps are bad. Yeah that. I couldn't agree

1853
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: with you more about the end of the half though.

1854
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: So they hats on Bill O'Bryan really when they at

1855
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,839
Speaker 2: first when it was third down, right when they sneaked

1856
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 2: it no, or was it second down?

1857
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: It was they snuck it on third so but it

1858
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: was it there was like seven seconds left. It wasn't.

1859
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: But my point being is that at first, if you

1860
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: if it's third down, I can't remember for a second

1861
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 2: or third, but if it was third down, you can't

1862
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: spike it on fourth down, right, so the only option

1863
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: that you have at that point is to pick up

1864
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: the first down and then spike it and then kick

1865
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: the field. But they had to time out, right, So

1866
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: that's what I thought initially was they had no they

1867
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: had no timeouts. And then I realized that they still

1868
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: had a time out, and yeah, and that made it

1869
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 2: even because I was about ready to explain it away

1870
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: and be like, wait, actually this is kind of smart. Yeah,

1871
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 2: But then I realized that they did that in the

1872
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: snow what you're describing, right, And I was like, what

1873
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: are they doing?

1874
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Throw it ten yard in cut ten yard in cuts

1875
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: on Hunter Henry And actually, you remind me I had

1876
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: a third slash to this. It was Joe Cardona slash

1877
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: ground cruise slash. Do you remember what that second down

1878
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: play was?

1879
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 4: Uh?

1880
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: No, refreshment memory.

1881
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: It was the one to to Mario Douglas that Mac

1882
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: underthrow and if he puts up on tomorrow, dougas a touchdown.

1883
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: So I don't want to take anything away from you know,

1884
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: is the DPI one, But I mean Michael Carter doesn't

1885
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: even pretend to turn around, just runs right through de

1886
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Mario Douglass, like, are you freaking? So the third slash here,

1887
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: and I don't like to be the guy that blames

1888
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: the rest, but the third slash here is gonna be

1889
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: the rest because you have a okay, so let's let's

1890
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: run through this. I don't remember what it happen. On

1891
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: first down, second down, Mac underthrows a ball that should

1892
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: have been a touchdown. That's compounded by the most obvious

1893
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: pet like that was Tommy Lee Lewis level pass interference,

1894
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: runs right through him. Should have given them the ball

1895
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: in the fifteen at the very least, like you're probably

1896
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: getna throw to the end zone at the very least

1897
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: chip shot field goal. So that's that's step number two.

1898
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: So then all right, no call, you get the third

1899
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: and two. You run the quarterback sneak with the time

1900
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 1: out in the pocket, which makes no sense. You then

1901
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: have a bad snap on a crap field. It was

1902
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,719
Speaker 1: just a total, incomplete mess of a sequence. The whole

1903
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: is just that sequence down, all of it, Mac Jones,

1904
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: ref Michael Carter, the field crew, Joe Cardona, all of

1905
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: it bad, bad, I don't even know who, No one

1906
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: blaming at this point. It was just a cavalcade of

1907
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 1: errors in unfortunate results.

1908
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: That was that was epic.

1909
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 1: Thank you? Am I wrong?

1910
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: No, You're one hundred percent right. But the only like

1911
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 2: I'm trying to react my brain of like why did

1912
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: you sneak it?

1913
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Like?

1914
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: Why did you sneak it? The only thing that I

1915
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: can rationally think of is like maybe they thought that

1916
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: they were going to take the Jets, so by surprise

1917
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: that it was gonna.

1918
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: He was gonna run for like fifty yen yards. Well

1919
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: it's like a three yard quarterback sneak and Matt kind

1920
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: of like falls down early and he kind of looks surprised,

1921
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: like nobody's hitting me. But yeah, it's just it was

1922
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: one of those ones where like you point to the

1923
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: miskick and there's so many count dargs that you can make. Well,

1924
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: he missed the kick, Well what about the snap?

1925
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 6: All right?

1926
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Well the snap? What about the uh what about the

1927
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: ground screw?

1928
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: All right?

1929
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Well what about the field position with the sneak? Well

1930
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 1: what about if Matt makes a throw? Well it shouldn't

1931
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: matter because there's the pass interference and there's just so

1932
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: many fingers you can point. It was just it was

1933
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: all bad. You're right, you know the mess it was,

1934
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, you control the controllables. It was a real

1935
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: example of.

1936
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm not I'm big on the fact that you

1937
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: can't just say you put three points on the board

1938
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: and then it's eighteen to ten at the end, because

1939
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: the dominoes fall differently, right, if they kicked the field goal,

1940
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: then they make it. But at the same time, like

1941
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: that was a five point game that they missed two

1942
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: field goals. Yeah, and it shouldn't. It should have been

1943
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: a nine point game, you know, or I can't do

1944
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: eleven point game.

1945
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: But it's is it They missed the two field goals

1946
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: because the kicker misses, missed the two field goals because

1947
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 1: it's a bad snap, rather because the rest.

1948
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 7: Throw.

1949
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 2: Like here, that's the whole context.

1950
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: If you give a mouse a cookie.

1951
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: That's the whole context of it. But at the same

1952
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 2: time it those are the differences for this team of

1953
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: a comfortable eleven point win on the road and Hail

1954
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 2: Mary being like a few inches away from being completed, right, Like, yes,

1955
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 2: and that that they need to clean those things up

1956
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: for that reason, all right, So I had Joe card

1957
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: down it too. I didn't have the whole, the whole rant

1958
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: that you did, but you did it a lot better

1959
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 2: than I care. It was just so I'm not gonna

1960
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: do it myself. Joe Cardono was one of mine. The

1961
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: other one was obviously Cold Strange. Yeah, and and you

1962
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 2: know Cole Strange, I just we've already talked about it.

1963
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna continue to pile on with him. But

1964
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: in this game, I thought what was the most telling

1965
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: part of all of it was the very very first

1966
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 2: snap of the game. The Jets break the huddle, the

1967
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Patriots break the huddle, they line up number ninety five,

1968
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Quinnin Williams walks right over to the left guard and

1969
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: puts his hand in the dirt right like you knew

1970
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: who they were going after right away, and he stood.

1971
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: Quinnin Williams rushed on Cole Strange all day long. And

1972
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: that tells you what you need to know about Cole

1973
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Strange and how the Jets view him is that that's

1974
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: your week league on the interior. Our guy is fifteen

1975
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 2: times better than your guy, and we're gonna wreck the

1976
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: game because of this. And honestly, in the first half

1977
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: it did wreck the game for the Patriots offense, they

1978
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 2: were great on third down. Mac was really good on

1979
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: third down the first half. But in terms of like

1980
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 2: their play to play execution, Quinn Williams in the backfield

1981
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 2: higher time, Yeah, all right, it was your your.

1982
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: Suffer and I I since I two overlaps, let me

1983
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: can I use this to give a take because I

1984
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: don't want to make Rimandria down because he did some

1985
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 1: good things in the game. He did the drop was bad.

1986
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: Right, So I tried. I tried to, you know, let

1987
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: us make the excuses.

1988
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 6: Right.

1989
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 2: It hadn't been raining at that point, and then right

1990
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: before the ball was like snapped I think maybe the

1991
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: play before, but it was like, right when that drop happened,

1992
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 2: the skies opened up and it started pouring. Yeah, so

1993
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was I agree that his eyes

1994
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: were already getting upfield, and I think he was looking

1995
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,719
Speaker 2: for the yact. But at the same time, I also

1996
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: wonder if it's slipped out of his hands because of

1997
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: the rain.

1998
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna put him as a down or

1999
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: a bat or a dud or whatever the hell we're

2000
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: calling it, but I do want to give you a

2001
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: take based off that play. Okay, I they've both been

2002
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: good as pass blockers or Mandre and Sik. Yeah, but

2003
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 1: you haven't necessarily seen the explosiveness you're maybe looking for

2004
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: out of that role, that pass catching back. And I

2005
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: think the way this team is trending. Yeah, look, they're

2006
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: not going to go get James White, but having a

2007
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: running back who can make people miss in the passing

2008
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: game would help.

2009
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

2010
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: When do we see Time Montgomery? Maybe get some more.

2011
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: I don't know why we haven't seen Time. I can't

2012
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 2: explain it.

2013
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to start, and I'm not saying he

2014
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: needs to play every drive, and I'm not saying, like

2015
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 1: start handing him the ball on first and ten, but

2016
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: third and eight you're throwing the ball. We all know

2017
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: you're throwing the ball. Maybe not this week. So honestly,

2018
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: as I give this take, I don't trust Time Montgomery

2019
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: to block Michael Parsons. I don't know that I trust

2020
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: anybody to block Michael Parsons. Zeke if anybody, he's familiar

2021
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 1: with them. But like when you get what's next is

2022
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: the Saints? Right? Yep? Camera Joronan's a good player, but

2023
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: he's yeah, how old, right?

2024
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2025
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: Against the Saints third n eight. We all know throwing

2026
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 1: the ball. Can we get Time Montgomery out in the pattern?

2027
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that Time Montgomery is not. I didn't have

2028
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 2: a role in this game.

2029
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Why did he make the And I know the answer,

2030
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: special teams, But like, yeah, then why if so, why

2031
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: didn't Time Montgomery make the team if he's not gonna

2032
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: contribute his running back? The answer is special teams? Yeah, fine,

2033
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: we know they want Calvin Munson on the fifty three.

2034
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: That's been reported right now, he's on the practice squad. Yeah,

2035
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: why didn't that' spuck go to Calvin Munson? He's a

2036
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 1: better special team run Toime Montgomery?

2037
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2038
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Can we start seeing Time on Comery get some looks

2039
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: on third down at running back?

2040
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. You know, they they missed that

2041
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 2: they miss And we talk a lot about like their

2042
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: issues with man coverage and their issues on you know,

2043
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 2: on third down in the second half of this game,

2044
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 2: and how that is exacerbated by them not having guys

2045
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: that can separate against man coverage and all this type

2046
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: of stuff. And we talked about the slot right, like

2047
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, Jacobe Meyers and the Juju thing and all that,

2048
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 2: And I think there's value to that conversation.

2049
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: But I also think that you know, on a lot.

2050
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Of third and threes, third and four's, Like, I think

2051
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 2: the guy that Brady looked to maybe the most in

2052
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 2: those situations was James White, right, like you know, or

2053
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Shane Vereen or Kevin Falk or whoever was in that

2054
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 2: role at the time, right, And that not having that

2055
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: player and whatever whatever it is, whatever up with from

2056
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: Andre because Rimandre was good at that last year. Like

2057
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: I thought, Remandre was a decent third down back last year,

2058
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 2: maybe not on a White fen Folk level, but he

2059
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 2: was a decent third down back. And now this year

2060
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 2: he hasn't really been very dynamic in the passing game

2061
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 2: at all time. Montgomery needs to play. Like I'm not

2062
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 2: saying that thy Montgomery is this secret weapon, but it's

2063
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 2: similar to Faroh Brown, right, like where if you use

2064
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,719
Speaker 2: him correctly, like they're using Paraoh Brown as a blocking

2065
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: tight end and as a full back in certain alignments

2066
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: like time, Montgomery can have value for this football team

2067
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 2: as a pass catching back. He just can, and they

2068
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 2: have to play him. I think, like you said on

2069
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: third down, you know not it doesn't have to be

2070
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 2: fifty times a game, but he should be getting ten

2071
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: snaps a game on offense as a third down back.

2072
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely definitely.

2073
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's take one lass call and then

2074
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 2: we'll do our key matchups here. Take No, it's the

2075
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 2: same person apparently, so we're gonna try to answer one

2076
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,719
Speaker 2: of them and see if it works. What's up, Matthew,

2077
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Hey guys, how you doing?

2078
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 4: Evan?

2079
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 7: We were four and oh we're gonna beat the Bills,

2080
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 7: We're gonna beat the Dolphins. I really thought Christian Resolves

2081
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 7: should be a Hall of Famer.

2082
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 5: I really thought it.

2083
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 7: But I'm with you guys with Juju, and I remember

2084
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 7: just watching like the highlights because my brother is a

2085
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 7: Chiefs fan, and like in my head, I'm like punch

2086
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 7: for Juju. But watching the highlights is like, Okay, Patrick

2087
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 7: Mahomes is just unbelievable, Like he's just making plays with

2088
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 7: juju so real quick. My question is, do you guys

2089
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 7: think that Patty was just elevating Juju or do you

2090
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 7: think it's just an injury or some fort got it?

2091
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, matt It's a good question. I

2092
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 2: think that what I what I I guess overlooked is

2093
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,839
Speaker 2: the best way to put it in terms of Juju's

2094
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: translating his production in Kansas City translating to his production

2095
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: in New England. You can certainly say that it's like

2096
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: a Patrick Mahomes thing, or a Travis Kelcey thing, or

2097
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: a combination of the of the personnel. I also think

2098
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 2: what it is is just like a pure space thing

2099
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 2: like the Kansas City offense, probably because of Mahomes's ability

2100
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: to throw the ball to anywhere at any time. But

2101
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,520
Speaker 2: the Kansas City offense creates so much space for receivers

2102
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: like Juju to work the short and intermediate areas of

2103
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 2: the field. So when Jujus catching passes in Kansas City

2104
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 2: last year, there's less people around him than the people

2105
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 2: that is here, so he's got all this open room

2106
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: to run into and to work with. In New England,

2107
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: it's everything's more compressed than what it was in Kansas City,

2108
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 2: so he doesn't have the space. And he's not an

2109
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 2: make you miss type of yak receiver. He's a freight

2110
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 2: trained type of yak receiver. You know, he's a contact

2111
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 2: balance type of player who is going to hit a runway,

2112
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 2: is gonna explode through it, and then you're gonna have

2113
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 2: to bring him down. You're not gonna arm tackle him

2114
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 2: to the ground. That's the type of player that Juju is.

2115
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 2: He's not a slippery ball car. So in Kansas City

2116
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: they would run these like different schemes and there'll just

2117
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,799
Speaker 2: be all this open area for Juju. Here in New England,

2118
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to get him loose into those

2119
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 2: open spaces. And even though it's a different coordinator two

2120
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: years in a row and it's not Josh either, this

2121
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 2: is like a like a couple of years now that

2122
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 2: this has been an issue because similarly, like a guy

2123
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 2: like Johnny Smith was supposed to be that type of

2124
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: player for them and they never unlocked him. Fully. I

2125
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: get we've already said that Nikhil Harry might have been

2126
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer in a different situation, but Nikhil

2127
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: Harry was also in that category of somebody that, yeah,

2128
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 2: that was supposed to be able to run with the football,

2129
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 2: and it never translated here. They have struggled to get

2130
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 2: these guys loose, to get guys like Juju Smith Schuster loose,

2131
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,640
Speaker 2: And maybe you can sit there and say that he

2132
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: doesn't have the juice anymore, and it's really more about

2133
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 2: that than it is about the scheme. But I think

2134
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 2: that that's the thing that I overlooked is how much

2135
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 2: space and how much you know, just room that Andy

2136
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 2: Reid and Patrick Mahomes and that Chiefs Offense created. It's

2137
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 2: for their receivers. And now we see it with like Canarias,

2138
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Tony and Sky Moore, Like those guys are taking those

2139
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 2: yak yards now, right, So it still exists in Kansas City,

2140
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 2: just for other players. But I don't know if you

2141
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 2: think the same way or if you just think he's

2142
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 2: toast or what.

2143
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: But that's I think it's probably a little bit of everything.

2144
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's the best way that I would

2145
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: explain it. All right, let's let's do key matchups. So I

2146
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 2: think we just took Matthew's call, So I'm gonna hang

2147
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 2: up on on this other this other line of him.

2148
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened there, but uh, the phones

2149
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 2: are finally clear. We had a lot of great phone

2150
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 2: calls today, so I really appreciate all you guys calling

2151
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: in get into key matchups to wrap the show with that.

2152
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: My first key matchup here, uh is obviously one that

2153
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 2: we've already talked a little bit about. But it's Michaeh.

2154
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 2: Parsons versus the entire Patriots offense. Oh wow, so coaching

2155
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 2: included coaches, all eleven guys.

2156
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: Look what mine says, Michael Parsons versus everybody literally versus

2157
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: the world on the same say all.

2158
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Every Patriots fan, every Patriots reporter in the house, Like

2159
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: with everybody's gonna we're all gonna come out of the

2160
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,679
Speaker 2: field of ventures style and we're all gonna block Michael

2161
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 2: Persons together. Because that's the way that this game. That's

2162
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 2: the way I think of this is that this is

2163
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 2: an all hands on deck situation. And I asked Hunter

2164
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Henry yesterday about you know, even if you're not being

2165
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 2: told to like give him a little bump or give

2166
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 2: him a little chip on the way out of the route,

2167
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 2: Like this is almost one of those games where you

2168
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 2: just you just do it just because you do it,

2169
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, like even if it's not like Bill O'Brien

2170
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 2: radioing it into Mac Jones that there's a chip called

2171
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: on the play, right, Like I would just do it

2172
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: anyways if I was Hunter Henry, I just give him

2173
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 2: a little push, right. It doesn't have to be the

2174
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 2: the a shoulder into his chest plate, Like just give

2175
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 2: him a little shove, give him a little shivering on

2176
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: the way by, like give him make him feel that, like,

2177
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 2: make him expect those types of things to come. Maybe

2178
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 2: that will give him a little bit of hesitation I have.

2179
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 2: We've both been doing this for a little while now.

2180
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 2: In terms of like get off up the field explosiveness.

2181
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody touches Michah Parsons in that category.

2182
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 2: He gets off the ball faster than anybody I've ever seen.

2183
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: And Trent Brown, I'm okay. If Trment Brown gets called

2184
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:11,919
Speaker 1: for a couple of false starts this week.

2185
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 2: It's wild and that that's where the team oriented aspect

2186
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: of it comes in, is that you have to get

2187
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 2: hands on them. You have to pump them, you have

2188
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 2: to chip them, you have to you know, hit him

2189
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 2: with the misdirection, make him think before he gets off.

2190
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 2: You cannot just let him tee off. You can't they

2191
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: You'll lose by a lot if that's how you're gonna go.

2192
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,639
Speaker 2: So we're both on the on the same page here

2193
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons.

2194
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael Parsons versus everybody.

2195
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: Mikeah Parsons versus everybody who who's another one of yours.

2196
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: H Ceedee Lamb versus is Christianzalez. Yeah and okay, yeah,

2197
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean this game plays for a little black and

2198
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 1: right here, I this is gonna be a different kind

2199
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: of challenge. You talked about this earlier. The Cowboys aren't

2200
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna throw the ball down the field. This isn't going

2201
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,160
Speaker 1: to be carrying Ceedee Lamb down the field and sticking

2202
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: with him through these complex routes and these multi cut routes.

2203
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: If there was one knock on Christian Zalez coming out,

2204
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: it was his tackling. Yeah, that's what's gonna be tested

2205
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: this week because they're gonna run Christian Zoalz on quicks.

2206
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna jam them. I don't think

2207
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: Anzalz is gonna jam them. I you think he will,

2208
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: just based on the way you're reacting there.

2209
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 2: I wonder I don't know necessarily about jam but I wonder,

2210
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: like if they look, how do they view this passing

2211
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 2: game from Dallas, because they don't really have any tight

2212
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 2: ends that they throw the ball to. I like Gallup

2213
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 2: like as a player, but I think ultimately you're you're

2214
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 2: not worried about Michael Gallup in the sense that you're

2215
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 2: like game planning for Michael Gallup. So I just wonder, like,

2216
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 2: do they is this a game where they do tilt

2217
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 2: the coverage towards one game?

2218
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: But I guess so, my point being, like, let me

2219
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: rephrase that Christigan Sauce Air, not Christian Ceedee Lamb is

2220
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna get off the line at times, like he's gonna

2221
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 1: get off the line clean those scheme at whatever. Yeah,

2222
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: And they're gonna throw quick slants, they're gonna throw buble screens,

2223
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw hitches things like that.

2224
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 2: Yep.

2225
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: There's really not much you can do as a cover

2226
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: corner in those situations. But I'll just gonna be out

2227
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: too fast.

2228
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2229
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: Can Christian Zol step up and tackling Yeah, in the

2230
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: open field. That's then this matchup Gonzalez versus lam it's

2231
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: really Gonzalez tackling him in the open field because if

2232
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: he can do that, if he can limit him after

2233
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: the catch. Again, they're not throwing the ball down the field, yeah,

2234
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Like you're tackling him at the you know, two three

2235
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 1: four yards pass line of scrimmage, You're gonna really decapitate

2236
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: their ability to move the ball.

2237
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's a great point. I think that you know,

2238
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 2: for Gonzalez that is the knock, and in a week

2239
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: one against AJ Brown he passed. He passed that eye

2240
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,320
Speaker 2: test right, he was able to bring AJ Brown down

2241
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 2: and didn't give up a ton of yak. This is

2242
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 2: a similar type of matchup as AJ Brown. I think

2243
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 2: a J. Brown plays a little bit more of his

2244
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 2: snaps on the outside, like dominant outside guy versus like

2245
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 2: I think the challenge with Lamb is that he does travel.

2246
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: He moves a little bit.

2247
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moves inside and outside. I should say he

2248
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 2: moves around. So will Gonzalez travel.

2249
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would think he will, just maybe

2250
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: if they had Jonathan maybe if Jonathan Jones plays, I

2251
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 1: guess we don't know. Jones might play.

2252
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other he will. I think that

2253
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 2: this is one of those games because I Brandon Cook's

2254
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 2: playing right, like I I'm.

2255
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: Pretty sure where you miss Marcus Jones.

2256
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 2: So I think that this is one of those games.

2257
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 2: To me, where you do I think you have the

2258
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 2: guys to shadow their receivers, like Gonzales gets c D Lamb,

2259
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 2: John Jones gets uh, Brandon cooks and then it's gallup

2260
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 2: Gallup is like a wild card.

2261
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Miles Bryant very competitive on Alan Lazard

2262
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 1: last week. And it's that same kind of big body,

2263
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 1: physical receiver. That's not the kind of guy you think

2264
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: Brian's gonna match up well with. But he did it. Yeah,

2265
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: so I give another shot.

2266
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 2: It's tough. I love him. I've loved what I've seen

2267
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 2: from Miles Bryant. He's been good. But that is one

2268
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,640
Speaker 2: of those matchups where you know, like kind of like

2269
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 2: t Higgins against Marcus Jones last year, where it's like,

2270
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 2: let's just throw up a couple of But I.

2271
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: Felt last week. Last week we were saying Miles Brown

2272
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 1: on Alan Lazard, I'd be like, the hell are you

2273
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: talking about?

2274
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2275
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: But is is Michael Gallup better than Alan Lazard?

2276
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 2: Uh?

2277
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 1: Maybe at this stage of Alan Lazard's But is there

2278
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: that much of a gap?

2279
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's. And it's the same thing

2280
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 2: where like but I think Michael Gallup's more dominant. The

2281
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 2: catch pointing out Alan Lazard is a big vertical.

2282
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: But Alan Lazard's like what six four, six, five, Yeah,

2283
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: Michael gallops six to one.

2284
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he I feel like he plays above the room.

2285
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 1: Like I just I feel like and I don't feel

2286
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 1: great about it, Like this is where I wish he

2287
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: had Jack Jones because this is such an easy like

2288
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 1: obviously played jam and Millers Corps or would play. Okay, well,

2289
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, we can only ask for so much. After

2290
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 1: what Miles Bryant did against Alan Lazard last week, I'm

2291
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: willingly give him the benefit of the doubt and say,

2292
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: all right, let's see if you can do it again.

2293
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 2: All right, I'm fine with that, But I definitely think

2294
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 2: that this is a game where those two guys match

2295
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 2: up really well against Cooks and Lamb. Yes, so I

2296
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 2: don't see what any reason to not travel.

2297
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: With Maybe you do that thing where you put Jabrill

2298
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Peppers on the outside on Michael Gallup and just hit

2299
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 1: him at the line and then let Myles Bryant pick

2300
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: him up down the field.

2301
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, but yeah, I look, it's a tough test

2302
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,360
Speaker 2: every week in this league, is I think? Uh juju?

2303
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 2: I think said that yesterday for Christian Gonzalez, like every

2304
01:43:56,840 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 2: week he's gonna play some sort of star receiver. He

2305
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 2: gets a little bit of a break next week with

2306
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: the Saints. I mean, Michael Thomas is healthy again for

2307
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 2: the Saints, but he's not a big time receiver like

2308
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,759
Speaker 2: he used to be. But then it's it's DeVonta Adams

2309
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 2: in Vegas, so you know, and then I think when

2310
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:13,799
Speaker 2: they come back, it's uh, you know, Buffalo and Miami

2311
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 2: and the Commanders are in there with Terry McLaurin. So yeah,

2312
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of tough tests ahead of him,

2313
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 2: and this is another one, and it's no rest for

2314
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 2: the weary for that guy, like when rookie of the

2315
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: month go up against the gauntlet and you're just right

2316
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 2: back at it.

2317
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: We knew it that there. You know, there's there's kind

2318
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 1: of a thing we've heard about the Patriots that as

2319
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: much as the draft is about the overall future, they

2320
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: will draft and heavily consider their immediate next year's schedule

2321
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: when they draft. And yeah, I think, no matter the case,

2322
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 1: Gonzalez falling the seventeen was the no brainer pick. But

2323
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: you can't help but think look at the schedule and

2324
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: think maybe they were thinking, look at this gauntlet wide receivers,

2325
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,280
Speaker 1: we got to face. We got to go get ourselves

2326
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,040
Speaker 1: a real number one corner on you like, and you know,

2327
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't fault that logic I wouldn't fall to.

2328
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 2: And on top of that, I also, you know, we've

2329
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 2: always talked so much about like the value you of

2330
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 2: that in Belichick system, and it was it really was

2331
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 2: like the final ingredient to putting this defense over the

2332
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: top was getting a Gilmour revis lad like one of

2333
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: those real number one corners. And as much as I

2334
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: love John Jones and J C. Jackson, was good for

2335
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 2: the Patriots, not so much for the Chargers.

2336
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 6: Uh.

2337
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 2: Those guys were like, you know, the Malcolm Butler is the.

2338
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one step, it's the number one starter versus

2339
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Ace Gonzalez looks like he can be an ace.

2340
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And uh and hopefully that can continue to do

2341
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 2: for the Patriots, hopefully, because I do think that they're

2342
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,800
Speaker 2: gonna have to bring a lot of resources into the

2343
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 2: run game in this game. And that's sort of where

2344
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 2: my next uh my next key or next key matchup

2345
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: was Juwan Bentley just against the run game. This is

2346
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 2: a Juwan Bentley kind of game. This is this is

2347
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 2: his bread and butter, like go go crazy, sledgehammer, right, like,

2348
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: this is your kind of game. And uh, you they

2349
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 2: have to limit the Cowboys on the ground. If the

2350
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 2: Cowboys are running the football like that's that's their team

2351
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 2: and they're gonna run you right over if you let them.

2352
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 2: So Juwan Bentley like, this is you. You're in a

2353
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 2: phone booth. You're gonna be coming downhill at the line

2354
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. You're gonna be stopping to run. This is

2355
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 2: what you do best. I would say the same, you know,

2356
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 2: just extending it out to you know, Godshaw and yeah,

2357
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 2: Dietrich Wise and Lawrence Guy and all those guys up front,

2358
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 2: like this is you. This is a traditional win the

2359
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage kind of football game. It really is.

2360
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 2: And it's an old school smash mouth, win the line

2361
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and you win type of game. I think

2362
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 2: the Patriots defensive front is better than a banged up

2363
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 2: Cowboys offensive line. So it might not be better than

2364
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 2: the real Cowboys offensive line, but the guys that are

2365
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,920
Speaker 2: getting without Zach Martin and without you know, the other guys,

2366
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 2: Tyron Smith and those guys, I think that they they

2367
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 2: have the edge there and they have to prove that

2368
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 2: they have to play like that.

2369
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be super fun to watch Jawan Bentley

2370
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 1: this week. Again, this is him he's gotten better in coverage,

2371
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: he's gotten better as a pass rusher, and he's good

2372
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: at those things. And like all the credit to him

2373
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: for growing his game out, know how much that matters.

2374
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: This week he gets to be old school Juwan Bentley,

2375
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: the identify the hole and just go screaming in a hole.

2376
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,679
Speaker 1: And you're meeting Tony Pollard and Aaron Boom. Who brings

2377
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 1: more to the collision. And usually when you ask that

2378
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: question about Jawan Bentley, he's the one bringing them more

2379
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: more to the collision. So I'm excited to watch him.

2380
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tony Pollard. Last thing for me on this

2381
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 2: is just that he's a really explosive back. So if

2382
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 2: you let him get ahead of steam and he can

2383
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: take he's a home run hitter, like he can hit

2384
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 2: it from forty to fifty yards out. So this is

2385
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 2: one of those games too where you gotta tackle him

2386
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 2: before he gets to the third level of defense. All right,

2387
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 2: what do you got?

2388
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 1: All right?

2389
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: Oh boy?

2390
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 1: This is this is like an I'm bummed I spoiled

2391
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: this year in the locker room yesterday, but this is

2392
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: like an awesome time.

2393
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've seen Alex work a story

2394
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 2: like this before faith like this is. He's been working

2395
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 2: this story all week long, talking to people in the

2396
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 2: locker room, getting exclusives, like you know, he's been all

2397
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 2: over this. All right, I'll go ahead.

2398
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: My third matchup of the week, Bryce Behringer versus the

2399
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 1: AT and T Stadium scoreboard. They've got right that big

2400
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 1: video board. It hangs ninety feet over the fields. Yea,

2401
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: and punts hit it. It's only happened four times, but

2402
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: twice in the last year. It's Jake Kamara hit it

2403
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 1: last year. This is two thousand and nine. It's only

2404
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 1: well no, but but but listen. So it happened the

2405
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: first year, and I think teams got freaked out and

2406
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: they started changing the way they punt in the building.

2407
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:37,679
Speaker 1: And now you're seeing teams be less afraid of it.

2408
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,560
Speaker 2: Is like the catwalks in Tropicana.

2409
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, well so, yes, but it's not as stupid because

2410
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: in trapic Canna you can hit like a pop up

2411
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 1: to third and it's a home run because it hit

2412
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: the thing here. If you hit it, it's a redoce.

2413
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: So ultimately that's why this take is so great, because ultimately,

2414
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 1: if you hit it, it's non consequential. You redo the down,

2415
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 1: but it doesn't even matter. Nobody can because I think

2416
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 1: some change.

2417
01:48:58,439 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 2: You think it's in his head.

2418
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, but here's okay. So here's the take.

2419
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: I think some teams adjusted the way they punted because

2420
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 1: of it, because they didn't want to hit it. They

2421
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to deal with redoing the down, you know,

2422
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 1: punt to the side or whatever, if you're picking punt

2423
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,719
Speaker 1: off a certain hatch. I think, first of all, Bryce

2424
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 1: Beringer can hit it. Not every punter can hit it.

2425
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a point of

2426
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: pride among punters, like Jake Kmarta has a massive leg

2427
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: and he hit it last year for Tampa.

2428
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Is this like remember that throw that someone was Anthony

2429
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 2: Richardson he hit. You think guys are purposely hitting it.

2430
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they're purposely hitting it in Gay, but

2431
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: guys will go out and warm ups and try to

2432
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: hit it see if they can do it. Brian Anger,

2433
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: who was the Cowboys punter last year two years ago,

2434
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: hit it. I talked to Bryce about it this week, said,

2435
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: it's just an obstacle that's there. He's gonna kick his ball,

2436
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna trust his ball. I want to see. I

2437
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: don't know that in game. I want to see him

2438
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: hit it. He said he's gonna go out for warm

2439
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: ups and you know, he'll kind of test and see

2440
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: what it's like. I want to see if he can

2441
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: hit it warm ups. That'd be pretty cool. I'll let

2442
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: you then, please let me know then it's Look, it's

2443
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 1: a it's a factor in the game. He's got one

2444
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 1: of the biggest legs in the league. He's a guy

2445
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: going into the game that realistically, if he gets a

2446
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 1: hold one, he can hit it. And he's said, he

2447
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,439
Speaker 1: told me, I'm just gonna hit my ball and if

2448
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: it hits it, it hits it and will redo the down.

2449
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna play it as it lies.

2450
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, but no, no, you don't play it

2451
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 1: as it lies. You redo the down. That's not what

2452
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite of play it as it lies.

2453
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 2: But this is just this is great.

2454
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna come out and kick it, and I want.

2455
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 2: To see what a special team show this is.

2456
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: I want to see if he can hit the board.

2457
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:32,759
Speaker 1: I want to see if he can hit the board.

2458
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: And I don't think that him or cam Ac Corder,

2459
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, I don't think they're going to adjust anything

2460
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 1: for the board. And I think that that's the right

2461
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 1: way to go about it, because I think some teams

2462
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 1: do adjust. I don't think they're adjusting. I think if

2463
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,680
Speaker 1: it hits it, it hits it will go again. I think

2464
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 1: that's the right approach.

2465
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: I think it's amazing that this whole, this whole week long, yeah,

2466
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 2: project you've been working on week lie I started like

2467
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. No week long project.

2468
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 1: No, No, it's not weak because if it was week long,

2469
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: I would have asked cam Cord about it on Tuesday,

2470
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: and I didn't.

2471
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 2: You got you got some special permission to ask cam Accord,

2472
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 2: your special team.

2473
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: We'll see, maybe we'll see no comment. I did also

2474
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 1: ask Pop Douglas about how it impacts returners, and he

2475
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 1: said he'll get a look pregame. So he's not thinking

2476
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 1: about it much right now.

2477
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 2: But you got to ask Jabriel too. You might be

2478
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 2: the point.

2479
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's actually and he's returned punts there before.

2480
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh there you go. I just helped you out. Yeah,

2481
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 2: you're all right, But that the scoreboard versus Patriots punter

2482
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 2: Bryce Bearinger.

2483
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: You don't want to see if he can hit it.

2484
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: You're not a little curious if he can hit it.

2485
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I am a little curious now because I think it's

2486
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 2: hilarious that this whole week long project of yours is

2487
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 2: predicated on four punts hitting it in like fifteen Okay.

2488
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 1: But it's four that have hit it. But how many

2489
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: punters changed the way they kicked to not hit it.

2490
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 2: I get it.

2491
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: It's it's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing,

2492
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: and that's for in the NFL college punters have hit it.

2493
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2494
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 2: I don't know how Bill Belichick doesn't absolutely love you,

2495
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 2: like you're the only one that cares about any of

2496
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 2: this nonsense. Like I would just be if I was Bill,

2497
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Oh, that's the special team's kid. Why

2498
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:10,799
Speaker 2: doesn't he ask a question?

2499
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 1: So somebody in the comments, somebody in the comments said

2500
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 1: it should be an automatic first down for the punting

2501
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 1: team if you hit it. Teach Jerry a lesson. Because

2502
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: at the time when they built it, everyone's like, this

2503
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:20,879
Speaker 1: is ridiculous.

2504
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't think about it.

2505
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: No, they didn't. Everybody's like, why does he need a

2506
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: scoreboard this big as close to the field. I'm all

2507
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 1: for that. I think if the punter hits it, it

2508
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: should be a first down because you would see punters

2509
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: just absolutely booting the crap out of the ball. Try

2510
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: to It would completely change the game. It would be

2511
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: a it'd be a wild home field advantage for the Cowboys.

2512
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 1: But all right, because they would just go out and

2513
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: they'd find the guy. Doesn't matter how accurate he is.

2514
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 1: Let's go get the guy with the biggest leg and

2515
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: we're just gonna tell him to hit the scoreboard every

2516
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 1: time they have a home punter in a road put.

2517
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 2: All right, well, well monitor that in Dallas. I'll keep

2518
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 2: it taking.

2519
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:56,960
Speaker 1: I want you to be the one because everybody's gonna

2520
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 1: tweet out and warm ups if he hits it. I

2521
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 1: want you to be the one that's first Instead Bryce

2522
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: bearing urges hit the scoreboard.

2523
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it in my drafts and then if

2524
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 2: it happens, can hit send.

2525
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: I want the video, you want video? I want the video.

2526
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I don't usually do videos from the

2527
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 2: press box, and it's like Bruta from somebody.

2528
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: Brian Hines will get it.

2529
01:53:14,680 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, is he coming there? You go?

2530
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going. He'll get it. I

2531
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 1: trust He's tried to usert me as the special teams guy.

2532
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:22,680
Speaker 1: That's why I need this take. This week has been

2533
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: big for me.

2534
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,599
Speaker 2: That's I've been able to post a lot about special

2535
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 2: teams and I'm just like, easy there, Brian, that's your

2536
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:29,760
Speaker 2: stepping in Alex's territory.

2537
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm like, I'm no longer in your shadow

2538
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: where it's like you would handle all the all the

2539
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,560
Speaker 1: offense and defense stuff. So I had to find a

2540
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: way to separate myself. Now I'm no, that's no longer

2541
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the case. So I've had to do more real football,

2542
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:42,640
Speaker 1: and Brian's kind of stepped in as that guy. But

2543
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 1: now this this week's been big for me, I can

2544
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of come back and be like, hey, I I

2545
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: still got these special teams chops too.

2546
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:52,520
Speaker 2: You're like, Joe Judge, you're back on special.

2547
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: That's right exactly. I come on, I was I that

2548
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 1: talking about the offense.

2549
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:04,679
Speaker 2: You were better, you were better, You're better at talking

2550
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 2: about the offense, and then some people were coaching the offense.

2551
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, all right, I've done my name

2552
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 2: and names. I'm just saying some people that's it. That's

2553
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 2: it's a lot different. So Alex and I. On that note,

2554
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:18,679
Speaker 2: Alex and I will be back next week, same time,

2555
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 2: same place, talking about the New Orleans Saints, and we're

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Speaker 2: actually gonna do a guest next week now, Nick Underhill

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Speaker 2: from NOLA Dat Football. Nobody covers the Saints better than Nick,

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Speaker 2: so he's gonna come on with us for a few minutes,

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Speaker 2: do a phoner with us and talk Saints. So until then,

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Speaker 2: signing off for Alex Bart, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: watching and listening everybody, and we'll see you next week. Bye.

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