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Speaker 2: It is let's see Thursday, the twelfth of November twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and this is episode fifty four of the Luke Thomas

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Speaker 2: Live Chat. My name, of course is Luke Thomas. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you joining me. Wet's see a lot to get

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Speaker 2: to on today's chat. We can probably talk about UFC.

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Speaker 2: Should see me Belatore two fifty two, which is tonight.

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Speaker 2: Should actually a really good main card. Looking forward to

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Speaker 2: it actually, which I don't get to say too too

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Speaker 2: often with Bellatoor.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Let's see, there's UFC event this weekend. There's some

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Speaker 1: stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: Feels like not the most exciting period in combat sports history,

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Speaker 2: but there's enough definitely to do this podcast. As always,

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very.

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Speaker 2: Good, Uh, let's do it. Let's do it. So with

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Speaker 2: that in mind, let's pull that up and we will

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Speaker 2: get to it. Bump, but a bump, bump, bump, bump,

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Speaker 1: And the.

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Speaker 2: Channel, yeah, so it says home videos, playlists, community channels,

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Speaker 2: and about click on community. That's what you want, all right?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Okay, let's get this party started and I'll

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Speaker 2: go for about an hour and some change, not sure

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Speaker 2: how long exactly, but enough. Okay, Uh, never hear another

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Speaker 2: WU at a UFC event again. When fans are allowed

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Speaker 2: back but you have to listen to face the pain

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Speaker 2: once a day for a year. I'd rather listen to

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Speaker 2: the loose. I couldn't live with face the pain every

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Speaker 2: single day. And that's saying something. With many fan favorites

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Speaker 2: or potential stars losing this year, whose stock is lowest,

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Speaker 2: and who might have the toughest road to a title shot.

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Speaker 2: So the names this person lists are Holloway, O'Malley, Korean Zombie,

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Speaker 2: Gae Chee, Masvidal, Costa, san Haagen, although recently rebounded, well definitely,

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Speaker 2: I mean, his stock is not low, so you can

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Speaker 2: take san Haagen off of that. Plus he's probably the

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Speaker 2: The other ones are a little bit more interesting. Hollowai

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Speaker 2: having recently lost, O'Malley, Zombie, Kichi, Masadol, and Costa. All Right,

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Speaker 2: so who's stock dropped the most. I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 2: Not gonna say Holloway because a lot of people thought

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Speaker 2: Admittedly maybe in fact the toughest, given that he already

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Speaker 2: and probably careated. Zombie not there either because it was

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't. It wasn't It wasn't exactly humiliating. I

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Speaker 2: It was one sided, but it was more about the

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Speaker 2: celebration of Ortega than it was. Zombie's stock declined. Masudal

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Speaker 2: So really it's a toss up between O'Malley and Costa,

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Speaker 2: And for those reasons, I'm gonna say Costa because I

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Speaker 2: But let's say coast of all of them probably is

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Speaker 2: Shudo is quite literally further along because he already captured

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Speaker 2: if you're asking me what will end up happening ultimately,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Volkanovsky doesn't necessarily wow a lot

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Speaker 2: He doesn't light up the fans imagination as some kind

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Speaker 2: with Brian Ortega, I suppose, but it's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough. Adasignya has fought at heavyweight and

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you gonna do. You're gonna fight

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Speaker 2: I mean in terms of like, have I ever faced

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Speaker 2: The vast majority of the interviews I've ever done have

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Speaker 2: You guys know, like going to shows just isn't my thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of it. So so that's

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Speaker 2: just not something I've ever had to really deal with.

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Speaker 2: But I've had fighters like, you know, get bitter at

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. Who has

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Speaker 2: you imagine the filth? Good lord, So I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 2: I mean dirt, you know, probably old Sleepy Joe's son.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of like filthiness and even Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: bet BC's is still even worse, Like, can you imagine

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Speaker 2: the things he has looked up?

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Speaker 1: My god, you know, make your.

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Speaker 2: The hair on the back of your neck stand up

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Speaker 2: with a cold breeze that sort of runs through you

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Speaker 2: when you figure that out.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm teasing obviously, all right.

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Speaker 2: Leon Edwards said in an interview recently that Dana told

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Speaker 2: him if he beats hamzat comes out that he will

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Speaker 2: I mean, this whole situation is totally fucked I mean

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Speaker 2: literally supposed to say at this point. Right, So you're right, like,

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Speaker 2: if you beat a guy that's I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: It be Romero, Costa, cannon Ear, her Manson, Romero, Till Brunton, Gastolon.

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Speaker 2: We need to see how Coastal looks when he comes back.

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Speaker 2: How much time does Romero have left? Till is still

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Speaker 2: the sort of marvel of athletic gift and natural basketball acumen.

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00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: Was there somebody like that in combat sports?

431
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Obviously?

432
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: I can't answer that because that person either has sadly perished.

433
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: I'll lend bias or didn't make anything of themselves to

434
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: otherwise have us aware of that. So there's a couple

435
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: of ways to answer this question. One is that there's

436
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: somebody we just don't know who would fit the bill

437
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: that I can't name by virtue of their anonymity.

438
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 1: That would be a better fit for the question.

439
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: In terms of folks we know who actually did make

440
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: at least some kind of visible impact, the question is

441
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 2: what did they make? What could they have made relative

442
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: to what they made?

443
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Waste of talent? I mean, somebody who just wasted it.

444
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: There are dreams that were unfulfilled, Like I never thought

445
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: Caine the Last has ever fully realized over an extended

446
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: period how good he could have been.

447
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think he wasted it. That wouldn't be correct.

448
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Who wasted it?

449
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: You could say, well, John Jones kind of wasted it

450
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: a little bit, but at the same time, look at

451
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: what he accomplished, so he didn't really waste it in

452
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: the meaningful sense. It's a difficult question to answer, man,

453
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: because you're looking at somebody who had ability and then

454
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: just shit the bed, you know, almost like a Junie

455
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: Browning for a time or something like that. Somebody was

456
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: very self destructive, like a war machine. But like, how

457
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: good was war machine John Copenhager before? I mean, he

458
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: was good, but he wasn't you know, he wasn't like

459
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: some kind of Oh, were it not for you know

460
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: the fact that he had incredible, incredibly poor judgment issues,

461
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: he would have been world champion because that's not true either.

462
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. That's a great question.

463
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: I really don't know. There's three replies here. What do

464
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: these dogs have to say? Yeah, and by the way,

465
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: the question is combat sports, so that would relate to

466
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: Muay Thai, it'd relate to American wrestling, jiu jitsu or

467
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, worldwide wrestling, you know San Chow Sonda, you know.

468
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Judo.

469
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a very difficult question to answer for

470
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: all the reasons I mentioned and everything else.

471
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: Someone here writes Tyrone.

472
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: Woodley, But Tyrone Woodley became a UFC champion and defended

473
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: it and arguably is the third best champion in UFC

474
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: walterweight history. That's a waste to you. I mean, what

475
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: are you saying he could have been I don't know

476
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: if I would agree with that. What is your morning routine?

477
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: What is my morning routine. Well, it depends, so I

478
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: have two different kinds of mornings. My wife and I

479
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: alternate getting up with the child because the child likes

480
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: to get up around six thirty or seven am. So

481
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: assuming I have to get up with the child, we

482
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: get up. I let the dogs out. This is very

483
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: riveting material. I give the baby, you know, a glass

484
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: of milk to drink, We play games, we watch a

485
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: little Sesame Street, I feed her, you know, and then

486
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: there's daycare that's involved after that. If I do not

487
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: have to get up with the baby, I'll sleep in

488
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: a little bit more and then I get up and

489
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: I make coffee, and I come down check emails in

490
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: my office, and then, you know, just begin to exhuot

491
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: the plan of the day. Am I going to the gym?

492
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: Am I not? Do I have to do morning combat broadcast?

493
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: Do I not? Do I need to make a video?

494
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: Do I not?

495
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: And just begin to execute. But I don't really keep

496
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: to do lists, which my wife says is a fatal

497
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: illness that I have. But I usually just sort of

498
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: begin each day at the beginning of each day. You

499
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: have various questions about this, But what about BJJ. Do

500
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: you still train can you walk through your progression while

501
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: you were doing it consistently? No, I haven't trained. I

502
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: do not train well. I mean with the pandemic, there's

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: not many people who are. But even if it wasn't

504
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: for that, I haven't trained pre pandemic in a while.

505
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean I'm forty one. I don't think I've trained

506
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: since I was thirty nine or so. I mean I

507
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: may have stopped by a gym to get some rolls

508
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: in or something, but not not consistently. Spent most of

509
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: my time doing no gi for years and years. Switched over,

510
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: did a couple of years or so, Yeah, about a

511
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: couple of years or so, maybe a little bit more

512
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: than that, on and off a couple of years doing

513
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: some gee stuff. Stop doing no gee because I began

514
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: to resent it. Stop doing gee because I began to

515
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 2: resent it. When I say resented, it was due to injury,

516
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: and not big injuries. I never broke anything or tore

517
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: a knee. It was just constant. I mean, you know

518
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: what it really used to fucking and woy me is

519
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: you'd go to these like you know, you go you

520
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: can show up to class and you see these guys

521
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: taped together with fucking gaffer tape and KT tape, and

522
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: you know they should obviously not be training, they should

523
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: be healing. And then it's time to train and they're like,

524
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: oh yeah, please don't grab this or squeeze that, or

525
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: go for submissions on this side, or.

526
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: It's like how about you fucking sit out? How about

527
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: you do that?

528
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: And then you see them, you know, show up over

529
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: and over and over again. I cannot tell you how

530
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: many people I know who because of the pandemic, who

531
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: were trained and then have to have to really dial

532
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: it back or just altogether stop, depending on the situation.

533
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: I've told me they haven't felt better in years because

534
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: they're just constantly showing up fucked up. Their necks are

535
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: fucked up, and they're having to get surgery. It's like, dude,

536
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: you're an accountant, why are you training this hard?

537
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Because I want to be the.

538
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Best that I can meet to just say, okay, well,

539
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, you think it's worth the long term health

540
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: issues to be you know, to get to brown belt

541
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: six months quicker? Okay, all right, I guess, I mean,

542
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: I you know, to teach his own I suppose, but

543
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: the juice never seemed to be worth the squeeze for that.

544
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: In fact, the only time in my life I've ever

545
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: really felt good is it's through the weight room, and

546
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I've had issues with that too. But I was, who

547
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: was I telling somebody about. I forget who it was.

548
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: You had that guy, that strong man who went on

549
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: Rogan's podcast and was like, people, basically, unless you're like

550
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: a you know, super elite dead powerlifter, you should never

551
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: do deadlifting. And I was just like, I couldn't. I

552
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine that being true for my own life. I mean,

553
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: I sort of get what he's trying to convey, which

554
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: is that you know, if you don't do these correctly,

555
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: you don't have a little need to do them programming

556
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: them given some of the risks associated with poor performance

557
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: or poor execution, you know, the juice man, I'd be

558
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: worth the squeeze. But assuming you can do it correctly,

559
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it's all that. It can be hard,

560
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: but you know, it's very very manageable.

561
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: You know.

562
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Getting that posterior chain strengthened was just like maybe the

563
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: best thing I've ever done for myself, especially after years

564
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: of just like getting battered. So anyway, even if they

565
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: opened up all the schools tomorrow. I don't think I

566
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: would go back, but you know, I'm glad I did

567
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: it when I did it parts of my twenties, parts

568
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: of my thirties. But it doesn't interest me anymore, not

569
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: like that anyway. God, there are some of you that

570
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: are in desperate need of a widening of your worldview.

571
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: I'll read the question because it's stupid. The person thinks

572
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: it's some kind of owned but I'll read it because

573
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: it's stupid. Let's see, I know you went to Texas

574
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: for a short while, but could you ever see yourself

575
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: moving there at fuck?

576
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: No?

577
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: Or will your This is what they're right, soy boy,

578
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: politics not resonant, they spelled resonate wrong shock or that

579
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: they couldn't get that right with the maga lot. Well,

580
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are nice places in Texas. I didn't

581
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: really go and see the sites in Austin. I flew

582
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: in to my hotel, stayed there the night before, did

583
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: the podcast, went back to my hotel, and flew out

584
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: the morning after. I mean that was I wasn't interesting

585
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: in sight seeing. There's nice places all over. I've been

586
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: to Austin before. It's a great town. I don't know

587
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: how it is now with the pandemic and everything and

588
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: everything shut down or not, I don't know. I couldn't

589
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: tell you much about it. But just as a sort

590
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: of a rule here, I've been over this with some

591
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: of you, guys. But there are some of you that

592
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: think this is some kind of own I don't know why.

593
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's because you also hang out with morons.

594
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: For some of you watching this, you'll understand exactly what

595
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.

596
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Folks.

597
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help you out here, I really am.

598
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: This is not me asking you to agree with any

599
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: of my worldview please, that is not what this is.

600
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm it is okay if you disagree, and disagree vehemently,

601
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: and that you get angry at me, Oh that is fine.

602
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: I take no issue with any of that. For your

603
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: own sake, you gotta stop calling people soy boy. You gotta.

604
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: If you do that, people who read at a sixth

605
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: grade level or above will look at that and go, aha,

606
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: another fucking idiot out of themselves. Another person who in

607
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: all likelihood consumed paint chips as a child is out

608
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: here asserting some kind of tough guy attitude to the world.

609
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: But they're doing it in a way that signals they

610
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: haven't read books since you know, Harry Potter was made

611
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: mandatory in first or second grade or something. Right, that's

612
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: what you're doing. You understand that, like you're telling the world, Hey,

613
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: I'm a fucking idiot. Please don't listen to me ever,

614
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: so you can keep calling me this ship and you

615
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: think it's some.

616
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Kind of own all right, man, I'll read your question.

617
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: It's fine by me. Doesn't hurt my feelings. But for

618
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: the love of Jesus Christ, you all got to do

619
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: better for yourselves. Man, you gotta we gotta raise the

620
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: game a little bit here, you know, you gotta find

621
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: some kind of critique that actually stings and isn't the

622
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: kind of flotsam and jetsam of somebody who doesn't have

623
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: a mammalian brain. Just a few ganglia bobbing at the

624
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: end of your spine so that it can go through

625
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: the basic you know, oregan function to keep that husk

626
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 2: of skin and bones moving down the street and fucking,

627
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, uttering equally idiotic things along the way. You

628
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: gotta help yourself, fellas, come on now, step off that game.

629
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: I know you can do better. Here's my daughter. I'm

630
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: not gonna bring her in again today, though, How soon

631
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: can we see you and BC smoking together or at

632
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: least eating some edibles thirty minutes before the start of

633
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: the show. I don't know how that's gonna work. I mean,

634
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: if it's legal in Jersey and you're doing it, you know,

635
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: how would CBS feel about it?

636
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. My hope is that there's a good chance.

637
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, Okay, I'm not saying there's a good chance,

638
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: but my hope is that there's a good chance because

639
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: if you're doing it legally, and at that point it is,

640
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, no different in the state you're in than alcohol,

641
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: and we're both dads, and we both kind of keep

642
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: it under control, like not getting too crazy. You know

643
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: what could be the problem with it. I'm not sure

644
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: that there would be one. So BC and I definitely

645
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: want to do that. I just don't know if we

646
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: can yet. But I'm I'll say this cautiously optimistic. Cautiously optimistic,

647
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: best thing to come from your parents on JR. E.

648
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: I would say I had a lot of folks reach

649
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: out inside the MMA industry that was nice that one

650
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't call it the best thing, but that was nice.

651
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: I think it was that there were people who had

652
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: expressed it.

653
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: You know, they support my work generally, but they were

654
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: worried that I might come off either as one of

655
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: two things, one just sort of totally echoing what Joe

656
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: had to say and not a certain my own worldview,

657
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: or to maybe be too argumentative and impossible to get behind.

658
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: And that the I've seen a lot of feedback that

659
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: says that it was.

660
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: Neither of those things.

661
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: That you know, I was able to assert my own views,

662
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: but not in any kind of heavy handed way, and that.

663
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: You know, it was.

664
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: It worked, There was there was the conversation flowed in

665
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: a kind of organized and diverse viewpoint kind of way.

666
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty happy with that. I mean, the best

667
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: thing to come from is that I'm glad people liked it.

668
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad people liked it. I got a chance to

669
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: showcase some of my views.

670
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: I had a chance to have some good conversation and

671
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, did everyone was like, Oh my god, you're

672
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: gonna get the Rogan rub and your life's gonna be

673
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: like I like, it's winning the lottery or something. I mean,

674
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: I think to get that rub you have to go

675
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: on multiple times, which isn't to say that I didn't

676
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: get anything from it. I mean I probably added three

677
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: or four thousand extra people on our followers on Instagram,

678
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: a couple thousand, almost a couple thousand on YouTube. I

679
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: think MK picked up like eight hundred nine hundred. Twitter

680
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: picked up about a thousand or so, not quite. You know,

681
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: there was a definite bump, don't get me wrong, but

682
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a life changing bump. I think you'd

683
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: have to have multiple forms of exposure to that kind

684
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: of a major audience. But it was a chance to

685
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: just you know, and he doesn't have hardly any like

686
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: MMA media on. He had Radio rahiem Me years ago.

687
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: He had on Josh Gross you know, back when it

688
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: was still in his house or something. It was a

689
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: long time ago, you know, so it's pretty rare to

690
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: be in my position and get the chance to go

691
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: on there a little bit of recognition.

692
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: You know.

693
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: It's nice, but in all honestly, like the best thing

694
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: to come from it is just got a chance to

695
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: have I mean, it sounds stupid, but you know, if

696
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: it's not going to change your life or the next day,

697
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: your life is brand new and it's not. My life

698
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: is still basically the same. Then what did you get

699
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: out of it? I got a chance to interact on

700
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: the biggest podcast in the world, share my ideas, have

701
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 2: people pay attention to it, and for the most part,

702
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: people liked it.

703
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: That's cool. That's super cool man. You know.

704
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: It's fun to get some additional followers, but I didn't

705
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: get a life changing amount. So I'm just glad I

706
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: got an opportunity to do that. Like in the end,

707
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do all this stuff, shouldn't it be fun.

708
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: If it's not going to be fun, it should be rewarding,

709
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: you know where you get. Oh, I woke up the

710
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: next day I had two million followers on Instagram or something. Okay, Well,

711
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: then you know you're sort of tolerated. But if it's

712
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: not going to be that, at least not now anyway,

713
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: then you know, shouldn't it be? Shouldn't be shouldn't be

714
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: having a good time?

715
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: I had a good time.

716
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: It was cool, man. It was a fun opportunity, So

717
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: I'll take it for what it is. Toughest matchup for

718
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: Adasignya at Light Heavy gotta be Jones, right, I mean,

719
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: I realized Jones isn't that light heavyweight at the moment,

720
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: but we're assuming that's still a thing he can do,

721
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: I would say, Jones, I said before I put out

722
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: a video a couple of weeks ago, saying, you know,

723
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's a guarantee that Auto Signa

724
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: would beat John Jones, but it's a competitive fight. Anyone

725
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: who tells you is not competitive. I mean, I guess

726
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: we'll have to see, obviously in the end, but I

727
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: have a hunch that, you know, Ada Signya can win

728
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: that fight a lot more easily than his skeptics think

729
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: he can. And even if he doesn't win that it's

730
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: very very competitive. This idea that like John's just gonna

731
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: waltz over there and take him down and that's just

732
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: gonna be the end of it. That seems like, I mean,

733
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I'm we're all just kind of

734
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: guessing here in the dark a little bit. But that

735
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: feels to me very simplistic and based on ideas and

736
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: conceptions of these two that just don't match where we're

737
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: at with them in either case. So, you know, John

738
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: winning to me totally plausible. You know, it may be

739
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: even the likeliest of outcomes if they fought ten times

740
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: or something, but like inevitable, I don't. I don't buy

741
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: that it's inevitable. No, not at all. Beyond that, it's

742
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: like the other ones. You know, we'll see what happens

743
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: with the Blohovich. Dominic Reyes I think is an interesting

744
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: test case. But I think he's got some retooling to do,

745
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: and given the faints and distance management that somebody like

746
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: he is good at. Plus you know, Dominic's not a

747
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: heavy takedown guy. You know it's gonna be tough. San

748
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Fanciago Santo Sam for Anthony Smith Glover might be a

749
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: tough one because you know, Glover would have to deal

750
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: at the range, and that I think is where Atosani

751
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: would light him on fire. But Glover on the ground

752
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: where he can. He's got good wrestling, and he's got

753
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: good ground and pound, and.

754
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: He can pass. He's a nightmare, dude, Glover fucking to

755
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: share a bro. He's a nightmare.

756
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: He's a total night He is a tough, tough, talented dude.

757
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: He's my age man.

758
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine doing what he's doing at my age.

759
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: It is just absolutely shocking. He'd be a tough matchup,

760
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, so rumble rumble will.

761
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: Be an interesting one.

762
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: But again, I think I think at Asnia, I think

763
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: we have to sort of say something about a Sonya.

764
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: He does really well.

765
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 2: In MMA, and I maybe it's a slightly different argument

766
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: in kickboxing, but in MMA he does really well with

767
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: power punchers.

768
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's enough.

769
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: There's not an overwhelming amount of evidence, but there's enough

770
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: evidence to show that, like when you get a guy

771
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: who's a physical powerhouse, he has a very it's maybe

772
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: a careful style, but a very careful, calculated style to

773
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: both get his hand raised and then diffuse the worst

774
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: of that. So I think you might see some of that.

775
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 2: Do you consider yourself an introvert or an extrovert? I'd

776
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: ask pessimist or.

777
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: Optimist, but that seems fairly obvious.

778
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so if we're assuming that pessimist, I'm guessing is

779
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: your answer, Yes, I'm certainly a pessimist.

780
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Introvert or extrovert. I don't know.

781
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: Misanthrope is a better way to put it. And even

782
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: that's not quite accurate. It's like, I'll say this, I

783
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: can an introvert because I'm a homebody, even before the pandemic.

784
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: I didn't like leaving the house for any particular reason,

785
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: you know, not like Howard Hughes style where the bed

786
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: sheets are sticking to you because you haven't showered in

787
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: seven days.

788
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Not that kind of thing.

789
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: But I can do the extrovert thing for this job,

790
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: or even in public where you have to interact with

791
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: people and you know, have a public facing kind of identity,

792
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: I can play that game. But if I don't have

793
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: to play it, like you know, even BC was making

794
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: fun of me. We went to Vegas, I'll forget what

795
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: it was, and he was like, hey, let's go out,

796
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And I was like, no,

797
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna sit in my room and and you know,

798
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: hang out here. I don't want to. I don't want

799
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: to go out. And they were like, what do you

800
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: mean you don't want to go out? Like it's Vegas,

801
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: like let's go out, And I'm like, I couldn't have

802
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: less desire to go and mingle and all that shit

803
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: if my life depended on it. I don't care about

804
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: any of that stuff, you know. I like my close

805
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: circle of friends, I like my family, I like my

806
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: job and I don't even a whole lot more than that,

807
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you. So I guess in

808
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: that sense introvert. I have an extroverted public identity, but

809
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: personally not really that way. Look, if you've ever watched

810
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: Tough from start to finish, and I have, was there

811
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: a fighter who you thought was going to win the

812
00:41:46,560 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: whole tournament ended up coming up short? I'm trying to

813
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: think I've been surprised. Oh you know what, you know,

814
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: when Chris McCrae came pretty close. What season was that

815
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: eleven or twelve or thirteen? I can't even keep track

816
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: of anymore. I thought he was going to do pretty well,

817
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: ended up not going his way. That'd be one Chris McCray.

818
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: I thought Chris McCray had a real, big, promising future

819
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: and then he got to the UFC and it just

820
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: didn't It didn't really go his way. I mean, he

821
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: was a good fighter, he had some good wins along the.

822
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: Way, but.

823
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Relative to the possibility I thought was there, it wouldn't

824
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: quite match. Tell us about your interactions with Connor, Kube,

825
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: but Tony and Dustin. How have they been to you

826
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: and what do you think of them personally? Well, let's

827
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: see Connor, I've had virtually no interaction with Habib. I've

828
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: had only very professional setting interaction with like I mean,

829
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: I've seen him in person a few times, and we've

830
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: talked in person a few times, but not you know,

831
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: it's all like structured media days or when he came

832
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: back after beating Michael Johnson, I was the one where

833
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: he asked I asked the question. I think he answered

834
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: with that that's number one bullshit. So you know, I

835
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: had that kind of moment with him. And I'm saying

836
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: I know his manager really well, but I've not I've

837
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: not had super close interaction with him. Tony and I

838
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: I don't have ever discussed this Tony and I had.

839
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: I know Tony better than all these guys. I mean,

840
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I know Tony better than anybody else.

841
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: I'm quite obviously not. But I've had better, I've had

842
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: much more interaction. I mean, Tony and I have like texted.

843
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: We don't text anymore. I don't think there's any beef

844
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: or anything. It's just we just you know, it's not

845
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: a thing we do anymore. But certainly no beef on

846
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: my end. But it was a long time we would

847
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: text back and forth. I helped him with the write

848
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: ups from The Ultimate Fighter. You know, I've gotten to

849
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: know Tony a little bit better than really most fighters

850
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: that I've ever known, quite frankly, and Tony is a

851
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: real sweet guy. Man, He's a real sweet guy. You know,

852
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: has he said some stuff in public that made you

853
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: scratch your head or you know when he told that

854
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: one guy when the guy asked about like overcoming mental illness,

855
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: and he was like, he was real rude to the guy.

856
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: There was the reporter. You know, I didn't so much

857
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: care for that. I thought that was pretty awful. But

858
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: but like my personal interactions with him, the only time

859
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: I've ever gotten mad at him was who.

860
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: Did he beat?

861
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: He beat somebody And we had been talking before the fight,

862
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: and then we were gonna do an interview if he won,

863
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: and then after the fight we set it up and

864
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: he just duffed. He just didn't show. And the good

865
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: news was he didn't just duff on my show. He

866
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: duffed on everybody's. He had gone into the mountains or something.

867
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, Tony was being Tony. And a

868
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: lot of times fighters just like make errors with their

869
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: schedules or arrangements and they apologize for it. He did

870
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: and even sort of acknowledge it, which was a little

871
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: bit annoying, but you know, Tony's dealing with a lot

872
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: of things, so I'm not I mean, I'm not upset

873
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: about it. You know, it was annoying at the time,

874
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: but hey, who cares anymore?

875
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Right?

876
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: But in general, what I can say is Tony is

877
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 2: of all the fighters I've ever interacted with, I think

878
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: he is genuinely the kindest person, maybe of all of them.

879
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: Now I don't know wonder Boy all that, well, he

880
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: might be you know, he might be like Flanders.

881
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: I don't know.

882
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of them who are all real

883
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: decent people, to be clear, but Tony has always seemed

884
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: to me like had a a real big heart, you know,

885
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: like a real he was a really caring person. And

886
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: you know, he turns it on. I'm not saying it's fake.

887
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: I think it's probably who he is. And then he

888
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: just dials it up a little bit for the cameras.

889
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: But like whenever I interact with him, relentlessly positive, very kind, yeah,

890
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And then with Dustin, I've only ever

891
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: had professional interaction with Dustin, I've never had like I've

892
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: never gone out to eat with him or anything. What

893
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: I can tell you is when he says he's gonna

894
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: be somewhere at a certain time, I mean that trade

895
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: is never late. Dude, very organized personally. Everyone who knows

896
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: him tells me he's, you know, as stand up as

897
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: they come. You can tell he's very much a family man.

898
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: And you know what, I prefer that relationship than like

899
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: being buddies with these guys. To be honest with you,

900
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: I've not found that I was good at that. I'm

901
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: not really good at being their friends. There's a couple

902
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: of times in the history of trying this where I've

903
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: tried to be like, you know, what's up, or you

904
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: naturally just you know, gravitate to some people more, and

905
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: I found that I just was not good at maintaining

906
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: those kinds of relationships. Dustin, I think gets it just

907
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: right where he's professional, he's friendly, you know, all that stuff.

908
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: But he doesn't try to be buddy buddy with the

909
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: media as far as I can tell, And he's buddy

910
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: buddy with the people who are separate in his life.

911
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: And that's how it should be. It's exactly how it

912
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: should be. Like I, frankly, you know, I really enjoyed

913
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: that from Dustin because it just gives both of us

914
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: the freedom to understand what the situation really is. And it's,

915
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, in many ways transactional. Why do we hate

916
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: Jay so much? We don't. It's just a bit. It's

917
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: literally just a bit. It's a fun bit. It's like

918
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: you guys watch Family Guy and they just shit on

919
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: Meg for no reason. He's like Meg, we just shit

920
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: on him for no reason. If you had one MMA

921
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: fight and you could have just one UFC fighter, active

922
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: UFC fighter as your corner, who would it be? James Cross?

923
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Easy?

924
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: James Cross. You mentioned you thought Habib could beat this

925
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: version of Tony Ferguson, and I agree, But did you

926
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: always feel this way throughout their timeline?

927
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: No?

928
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: For example, I felt Tony would have beaten Habib the first, second,

929
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: maybe third booking of their fight, but for the remaining bookings,

930
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: I thought Habib was going to win pretty handily. Hand

931
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: thely you mean, it is what it is, But I

932
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: wish Tony in his prime got to face stiffer competition.

933
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I would look at it the

934
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: same way, like, oh, the first three I would have

935
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: favored Tony last two not which I'm not saying is wrong.

936
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like I didn't look at it and slily

937
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: that way.

938
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: I think there was a time, maybe third or fourth fight,

939
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: where it was like, I mean, here's the problem with

940
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: habid Now that i've game plans, but i've I've done

941
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: for the for the Poitier fight and for the Gei

942
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: Chee fight, I really went and dug through the material

943
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: pretty heavily, and both times, in trying to assess the wrestling,

944
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: you watch Dustin deal with, you know, various wrestling challenges,

945
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: and then you watch Geichee deal with various wrestling challenges,

946
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: and of course Geichee, you could say, beyond you know,

947
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: the black belt that Dustin has, Geechee wrestled at a

948
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: pretty high level nationally here in the United States, and

949
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: so you think, okay, what does this tell us about

950
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: the future.

951
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you, guys. I go through

952
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: footage all the time.

953
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: Today I watched UFC forty for no particular reason, just

954
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: sort of turn it on. By the way, great event,

955
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: Holy shit, a great event. A twenty three year old

956
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: Andrea Rolowski knocked out in the Machine Freeman on that card.

957
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just crazy, right, And this was the

958
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: Tito versus Ken card. I watch an extraordinary amount of tape,

959
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: by and large, if I watch a fighter in the

960
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: modern era deal with a certain kind of situation, let's say,

961
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: takedown defence against the double where he's actually pressed against

962
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: the fence, Okay, it's a very common scenario. I can

963
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: use their success relative to their peers, and I can

964
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: use that as a general not of course, not always

965
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: super accurate, but as a general gauge on how they're

966
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: going to do against somebody else in that same peer

967
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: group who might want to do the same thing. You

968
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: can't do that with Habib. It doesn't work. It doesn't

969
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: work at all. Like all those situations where I'm looking

970
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: at Parier's takedown defense or Gai Chee's again, you could

971
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: say what you want when Paria was never a wrestler, Okay,

972
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: with Gai Chee was and take down defense, you could say,

973
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: what do you want about his offensive wrestling or you know,

974
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: his his matt wrestling, but his his takedown defense on

975
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: the feet, that's what he was supposed to be a

976
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: specialist and that was the thing that made the rest

977
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: of the game come to life. And it just disappeared

978
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: when Habib got his hands on him. Dude, it just disappeared.

979
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: That is so fucking rare, folks. I can't I can

980
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: probably count on my hand the number of fighters who

981
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: have ever.

982
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Been able to have that issue. But maybe you know, two.

983
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: Three fingers is really all you need to have somebody

984
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: in a peer group who can be so far outside.

985
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: And we're not talking like, you know, a nude women's flyway.

986
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: There's not been around that long as a sort of

987
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: defined weight category. Talking about fucking lightweight maybe the best

988
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: division in the sport, irrespective of organization.

989
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,479
Speaker 1: And you got one guy.

990
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: You can look at other fighters even once, who have

991
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, relatively similar backgrounds, and you can look at

992
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: these sort of situations that they all faced, and then

993
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: when they face Habib, none of that shit is even

994
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: close to mattering anymore, doesn't mean anything for him. There's

995
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 2: how fighters do against their peers at one fifty five,

996
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: and then there's how they do against Habib, and they're

997
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: not the same, especially this later stage.

998
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: Habib.

999
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, early on, Habi was a little bit closer

1000
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: to his peer group, you know, so yes he was

1001
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: better than them, but you know there was a little

1002
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: bit of sort of close proximity where you could do

1003
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,959
Speaker 2: that exercise. Okay, how do they do when they're pressed

1004
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: against the fence for a double, and how do they

1005
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: do against Habibe? And there might be some symmetry there.

1006
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: It's just beginning to just completely disappear. It's just shocking

1007
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: to watch, you know, totally shocking. Or you know, maybe

1008
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: they stuffed the double, but then he goes to the

1009
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: single or the Haai goshi or the you know body lock,

1010
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: you know trip or you know whatever. Just the amount

1011
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 2: of like levels he could play in that it's just

1012
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: it's completely shocking. So there have been times to answer

1013
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 2: this question about Tony where I was like, man, I

1014
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: don't know, I think Tony might be the guy. And

1015
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: it isn't to say that I thought Dustin in the

1016
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: end would be able to stop Habib's takedowns and that

1017
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 2: you know, he'd be able to you know, fight to

1018
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: the fifth and make it a you know, split decision.

1019
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: I always kind of thought he'll Beibe. You know, maybe

1020
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: he'll wi on a few takedowns, but eventually he'll get him.

1021
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: But it was like utter dominance, you know. And then

1022
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: with Getchee, I mean, my god, it's just you.

1023
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: I was.

1024
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: You're blown away by the ease with which he got it,

1025
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: like Habib was getting better, way better, Like the training

1026
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: and the the years of investment. It was beginning to

1027
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: add up in a very impactful way. So while I

1028
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: would like to tell you, and I will tell you

1029
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: that there were times where I thought, man, I think

1030
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: Tony might have his number, maybe that's me telling myself

1031
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: the same thing I said about a lot of his peers,

1032
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,479
Speaker 2: and that by the time they got to face him,

1033
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: he realized all that shit about how they did against

1034
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: everyone else doesn't mean fuck all for Habib. And so

1035
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, your guess is as good as mine. But

1036
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I can tell you there are not many times in

1037
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: my life in all the years I've been looking at

1038
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: footage where I can say, here's how fighters do in

1039
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: their peer group, elite peer group, and then here's how

1040
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: fighters in their elite peer group do against one guy

1041
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: in that peer group consistently. That is extremely rare. How

1042
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: do you think a current Tyron Woodley would do against

1043
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 2: a pure striker? That's not WonderBoy. It's been a bit

1044
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: since we saw that sort of stylistic matchup in one

1045
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: of his fights, and the last time we did he

1046
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: dominated Darren till. I know it's past his time, but

1047
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if you think he may be better if

1048
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: he didn't have to worry about wrestling jiu jitsu of

1049
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: his last three savage opponents. Yeah, there's a big part

1050
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 2: of that, right, So you could say, I mean, okay,

1051
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: what kind of striker when you say non WonderBoy, so

1052
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: non super bladed stance, So it's a little bit you know,

1053
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: half stance, and you know it's southpaw, it's orthodox, but

1054
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, sort of jab cross.

1055
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Fainting, faking that kind of thing.

1056
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, he's lost to Kamaru, he's lost to Kolby,

1057
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: and he's lost to Gilbert. I mean those are three

1058
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: absolute hammers. Okay, all three of them are hammers. So

1059
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: you lose to those three, it's like, all right, you're

1060
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: not in that again, You're not in that.

1061
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: Peer group anymore.

1062
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: Okay, But is there nobody who you could beat, especially

1063
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: if they weren't threatening you and bringing your hands to

1064
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: a position where you could really let them go. I

1065
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: think it'd be premature to conclude he couldn't do that.

1066
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: At the same time, it also looks to me like,

1067
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, there's a substantial decline from the peak of

1068
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: what we saw State versus Lawlor or something like that.

1069
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: So it's probably a little bit of both. How about

1070
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: a fight between Ryan Hall and Habib? Look, in your opinion,

1071
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: that's an interesting one. You know, you'd probably favor Habib

1072
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: for his size and defense and his ground and pound,

1073
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: plus just his pressure against the fence line, you know,

1074
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: but Hall could make it interesting, that's for sure. I

1075
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: just feel like, you know, the problem would be that

1076
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: Hall would shoot up submissions from underneath, especially from guard

1077
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 2: or something like that. And Habib is so big and strong,

1078
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, Hebib's important. That's not quite walter away, but

1079
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: he's not far from it either. And you know that

1080
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: punishment begins to rain down in a guy who's more

1081
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: of a much more natural one to forty five or man.

1082
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: That weight difference, you're gonna see it, you're gonna feel it,

1083
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, and the strength difference, you're gonna see it,

1084
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna feel it. Like does Ryan Hall have You know,

1085
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm very biased towards Ryan, but does he have the

1086
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: kind of technical wizardry and innovative approach to the game

1087
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: that were weight not in an issue could give BIB

1088
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: serious problems.

1089
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that probably could.

1090
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: If you get a one fifty fiver who could match

1091
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: the physical intensity of something like that and also had

1092
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: those all those tricks underneath, you know, that could be

1093
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: a problem. That could be a real problem. But as

1094
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: it stands, that's not exactly what we have. The WBC's

1095
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 2: new weight class, by the way, so you know how

1096
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: folks them may want, like a cruiserweight. WBC now has

1097
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: a space between cruiserweight and heavyweight, which is called bridger weight.

1098
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean there, I mean, you couldn't just ruining the product.

1099
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: But okay, why do you think the UFC doesn't follow

1100
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: a similar model to boxing of having belts other than

1101
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: undisputed slash interim champion. While I agree that with the

1102
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: most that boxing is far too many belts and the

1103
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: whole picture there is very convoluted. I mean, you're answering

1104
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: your own question. The UFC have thrown interim belts round

1105
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: in the past to save cards and promote fights to

1106
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: number one contender status. Considering the UFC's clear focus on profit,

1107
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: I find it surprising they haven't got something like a

1108
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: youth or continental champion that they can use as a

1109
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: marketing ploy when promoting up and coming fighters. Me it's

1110
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 2: sort of like additioned by subtraction a little bit, whereas

1111
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, when there's a UFC title up for grabs,

1112
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: it means more because there's fewer of them. I don't

1113
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: know what the actual research shows in a much fuller picture,

1114
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: but that's sort of my hunch. But the other part

1115
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: is it just looks like a cheap ploy, you know.

1116
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much a bridge or weight is

1117
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: going to add to any particular card. And more to

1118
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: the point, UFC kind of did this a little bit

1119
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: with the BMF belt. Now they said it was a

1120
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: one time thing. Maybe he'll put it on the line again.

1121
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see. But that was one of those

1122
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: belts where it's sort of independent of the actual hierarchical

1123
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: status within a division and more about some sort of

1124
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: unclear but yet kind of cool status that one could have.

1125
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 2: I've heard in red speculation about the option to take

1126
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: fights to New Zealand for the possibility of fan attendance,

1127
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure they already have fans in the US.

1128
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: The governor of Florida, I mean, a real fucking genius

1129
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: he is, gave the ok the sports teams to phill

1130
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: stadiums last month.

1131
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Full on.

1132
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: Is Dana and the UFC. Are they being surprisingly safe

1133
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: by not having fans and attendance yet? Have you heard

1134
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: anything about when they hope to have fans back? By

1135
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not advocating for fan attendant's just surprised

1136
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet. Yeah, I'm a little bit surprised too.

1137
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: You know, Showtime tried that thing. Well really it was

1138
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: a PBC thing Showtime broadcasted. But you know, with the

1139
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: Tank Davis and Leosanta Cruz fight, I gotta tell you,

1140
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how I feel about the crowd aspect

1141
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: of I mean, the fight was phenomenal, but and the result, obviously,

1142
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: the uppercut was great because what you can do is

1143
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: you cant it turns out, of course, if you know,

1144
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 2: let's say it was the Alamo Dome or any dome,

1145
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: let's say the place holds you know, I'll make up

1146
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: a number, you know, fifty thousand, Okay, Well you can

1147
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: have you know, five or ten thousand fans in there,

1148
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: and that's a thing that's easy to control, so you

1149
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: don't have to have the full crowds. But you know,

1150
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: are people really wearing their masks? I mean they're cheering,

1151
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: you know, are they really socially distancing? Like you can

1152
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: control for one factor, I don't know how much you

1153
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: can control for all the factors. And I think that

1154
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: to me makes me a little bit more nervous. Now,

1155
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: if it's open air and people actually are socially distancing,

1156
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: then the mask thing becomes a little bit less of

1157
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: an issue unless they're dealing in close close quarters. But

1158
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: I mean, like actually in the attendance play. Yeah, I

1159
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: mean look, I think if you're the U, I mean,

1160
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: look at the numbers in this country are just a

1161
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: fucking nightmare. I mean they're a complete nightmare. And it

1162
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: turns out like sense. You know, we've last had this conversation.

1163
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: Not every part of Europe certainly, but big parts of

1164
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: Europe fucked this up royally. They've had their own issues,

1165
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: you know. Was we had one hundred and forty thousand cases.

1166
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean, yesterday we lost fifteen hundred Americans. You know,

1167
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: that's ten times what we might lose on any given

1168
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: day due to carrecks. Oh, people die in car recks

1169
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, well imagine when they were happening

1170
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: at ten times the rate that they normally happen.

1171
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: That's what you're getting right now.

1172
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: And by the way, we're almost I mean, we'll have

1173
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: to see, but it seems almost inevitable that we are

1174
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: going to lose more than two thousand people a day

1175
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: coming here soon with the amount of like cases fucking

1176
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: exploding everywhere. So we'll see how that goes. You know,

1177
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: my guess is if you're one of these promoters or

1178
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: a sports entity, generally, I understand the UFCS listen. I

1179
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: had all the criticism in the world of the UFC

1180
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: up front, But what was my line in the sand

1181
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 2: or not lyne in sand? Rather, what was my the

1182
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: thing that I was looking for to get back to normal?

1183
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: And it was work with a commission, have the commission

1184
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: developed protocol for it. And once they do, you know,

1185
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons to think that this is

1186
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: doable at scale. It turns out that I feel like

1187
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: that view has held up pretty well.

1188
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: Now.

1189
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: A lot of fights still fall through, but you can't,

1190
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: to my knowledge, to my knowledge, you can't trace any

1191
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: outbreak to any of these events.

1192
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: With the COVID.

1193
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: Testing, with the quarantining, you know, with all the various

1194
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: measures that they have done and working with these commissions

1195
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: to keep the rate of transmission quite low, they have

1196
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: been largely successful with that. If you bring in the

1197
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: crowd and you have full attendance, I mean, the amount

1198
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: of scrutiny and judgment and potential blowback that you could foist, uh,

1199
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: I should say hoist upon yourself is enormous. I mean,

1200
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, the UFC wants to be from what I

1201
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: can tell, they want to be brand leaders and innovative

1202
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: in the space. When they're doing something smart or clever

1203
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: or groundbreaking in some kind of way that makes the

1204
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 2: consumer experience better, that makes the brand stronger, that makes

1205
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: them look more forward thinking. Having fans in attendance in

1206
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: a facility in Florida doesn't get you there. I mean,

1207
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: because the other side of the coin with MMA is

1208
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: if you read the room incorrectly and you overstate your position,

1209
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: regulators are all too happy to come cracking down on you.

1210
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: Right And imagine, imagine if Democrats win the two runoffs

1211
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: in Georgia and so now with the vice president elect

1212
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: soon to be Vice President Harris being the tie breaker

1213
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: if they wanted to pass federal legislation through. You know,

1214
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: that is a thing that they could I'm not saying easily,

1215
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: but that's a real threat. Forget about an individual states

1216
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. And you know what, you know, what would

1217
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: the Divided Commission say, or the California Commission say if

1218
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: you're just holding shows when COVID cases are fucking exploding

1219
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: across the country just because Florida has a comically lax

1220
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: attitude about all of this stuff. You know, you are

1221
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: over selling and overstating your strength to position. You know,

1222
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: MMA will always be on this thing where if you

1223
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: are upholding the highest standards of safety, if you are

1224
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: upholding the highest standards of innovation of professionalism, which you know,

1225
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: you could say, what about the stuff that fighters do

1226
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: that's totally off the rails, right, but no one pays

1227
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: attention to it, so there's never a cost to pay

1228
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: for it. But as long as the public thinks you're

1229
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: doing those things, you're great. This is why what they

1230
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: when they were trying to do by going to the

1231
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: Tachi Palace before the commission had really be for a

1232
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: major commission that sat down and come up with protocol.

1233
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: That's why I was such a that was the blowback

1234
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: was extraordinary.

1235
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: That's where you can't do that.

1236
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: That would be repeating the mistakes of going to Florida

1237
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: tomorrow and putting a UFC show there, even if you could,

1238
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: would be repeating the mistakes of going to Tachi Palace.

1239
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: Because even if they could have done that and they

1240
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: would have been within whatever legal parameters were there, technically,

1241
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: the amount of scrutiny you're going to invite for that

1242
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of an act at this kind of a time,

1243
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 2: given who you are, that is a place you probably

1244
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: don't want to visit if you don't have to, you know,

1245
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: and you don't have to. And the UFC is going

1246
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: to make a shitload of money this year. I mean,

1247
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: you heard data say it's one of our best years.

1248
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

1249
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: Yes, they've took a hit on the gate, that's real,

1250
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: you know, But in the way they've structured their business

1251
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: they are going to do quite well. Good for them,

1252
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: they should. I'm glad that they did once they got

1253
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: right with the commission. Y'all know, you watch what I do?

1254
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: What am I gonna say? Oh, you're not working with

1255
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: a commission. This is all a disaster. Like just because

1256
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: you work with the commission doesn't make it perfect. But

1257
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, the Nevada Commission was going pretty far, and

1258
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: when they were barring those standards for a fight Island,

1259
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: it seemed like and more they were actually doing even

1260
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: more than that over there, Like what are you supposed

1261
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: to complain about that point? And we can't to my knowledge,

1262
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: to my knowledge, you can't trace any outbreak there, So

1263
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: what are we complaining about. There's nothing to complain about.

1264
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 2: It was all that shit they were doing beforehand, that

1265
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: little tiny window, which could have been bad, but it

1266
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: ended up not being that bad because you know, cooler

1267
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: heads prevailed. But the reason you can go to New

1268
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: Zealand and uh, I mean, I guess to a lesser

1269
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: extent Australia, but let's just say New Zealand is because

1270
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: they don't have COVID running around the country. You know,

1271
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: I said as before, like a fucking toddler before bathtime,

1272
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, just going ape shit around the house. So

1273
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: you know, uh, you could do it in Florida. I

1274
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: just think the amount of blowback you would get would

1275
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: be extraordinary. It just makes to me a lot more

1276
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: sense to do it in New Zealand and Florida because

1277
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 2: you don't have to change your local pay per view

1278
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: time here, because the kiwis and the asses are used

1279
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Speaker 2: to watching it. It's sort of like how we watch

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Speaker 2: NFL football here. McGregor pari a more luckly to occur

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Speaker 2: in January or December. January questions about how Rico Verhouven

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Speaker 2: would do in an MMA and then Cedric Dumbey. I

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Speaker 2: don't know about Cedric, but Rico had a fight and

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Speaker 2: MMA looked pretty good, but then Glory offer him more money,

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Speaker 2: so he said fuck it. Why do you think that

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Speaker 2: the music that has played during the fighter walk out

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Speaker 2: portion of pay per view cards is sometimes dubbed over

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Speaker 2: with other music after the fourteen twenty one days of

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Speaker 2: the actual event because it costs more money to have

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Speaker 2: the rights to it in perpetuity. That's why any book

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Speaker 2: recommendations off the top of your head. I got my

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Speaker 2: own books. I have to finish reading. Uh, let's see

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Speaker 2: what is. I'll pull one from the old kindle that

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Speaker 2: I read. You donks can read. Uh, we'll have to

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Speaker 2: go pick up my dog got Barbous sent him to

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Speaker 2: the not the cleaners. What do you call him? The

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Speaker 2: groomers today? All right, so let's pull up the old

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Speaker 2: kindle with the kindle app All right, what's a book

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Speaker 2: I can recommend in here that's not super dry reading

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Speaker 2: that you guys might like? How about.

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Speaker 1: Jesus?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of books in hearing that you fuckers

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Speaker 2: will not like, not because they're like super political, just

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Speaker 2: just as reading. It's another one here, another one here.

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Speaker 1: I can recommend it easily.

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Speaker 2: Problem is everything I'm gonna recommend you guys, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: fucking be like, oh, that's I. I put a recommendation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram because folks are asking the wake of my

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Speaker 2: Rogan appearance for stuff on Antidopic. So I recommended six

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Speaker 2: books that you could read. People are like, just fucking

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Speaker 2: dry reading? Well, yeah, yeah, not everything you can get

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Speaker 2: from watching The Mickey Mouse Club. You know, sometimes you

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01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: gotta put on your big boy pants and you got

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01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: to crack a book and you gotta read it. People

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Speaker 2: are like, oh, is there something you can watch in

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Speaker 2: video form? No? No, not everything is distillable that way.

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Speaker 2: Here here's a book you can read that is I've

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Speaker 2: mentioned it before, I'll mention it again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the curse. See if you will focus, should the

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Speaker 1: auto focus on those cameras? Good?

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Speaker 2: There you go, the curse of bigness antitrust in the

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Speaker 2: New Gilded Age, Tim Wu. You know there's this debate

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: we have, you know, Okay, so I've been dying to

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Speaker 2: make this point, you know how there's this debate going

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Speaker 2: around now about tech censorship and tech censorship to be clear,

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Speaker 2: folks like, oh, you're poking that. Why would I be

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Speaker 2: in favor of that? Like, certainly I don't think all

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Speaker 2: of it is bad, but one of the main there's

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Speaker 2: many problems with it, right. One is that you have

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Speaker 2: these tech overlords who are deciding, you know, what constitutes

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Speaker 2: a valid opinion and whatnot, which is just fraught with peril.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that it shuts out is

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Speaker 2: that it shuts out what they're going to say. Are

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Speaker 2: extremes on either end, but it's really they go much

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Speaker 2: further than that. It's basically almost anything outside of the

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Speaker 2: Overton window. So the Overton window is this concept that

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Speaker 2: inside of this imaginary window are the amount of things

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Speaker 2: you could talk about around a certain topic or in

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Speaker 2: a certain company, or whatever the situation may be. That

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Speaker 2: are acceptable opinions to have, and there's a range, but

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Speaker 2: that's the acceptable range. What if you're outside the Overton window.

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Speaker 2: The implication would be that, well, if you're outside the

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Speaker 2: Overton window, it must be because you have some kind

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Speaker 2: of extreme, irredeemable, stupid, false opinion. But it's really not

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Speaker 2: true because the question is what is defining the Overton window?

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Speaker 2: And tech censorship as a function of defining the Overton

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Speaker 2: window is a dangerous idea because you're going to be

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Speaker 2: losing potential ideas that are not fitting in with the

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Speaker 2: sort of mainstream norm that still people might benefit from hearing.

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Speaker 2: It could actually end up being correct. It's just that

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Speaker 2: that opinion is ahead of its time, or you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.

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Speaker 1: So tech censorship is real.

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Speaker 2: It's a real problem, and it's the answers are not

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01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: going to be obvious on how you fix it. Except

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Speaker 2: there's one thing here that no one seems to be

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Speaker 2: talking about, which is the which is the consolidation of

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Speaker 2: industry generally and in particular tech. Tim Wu has another

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Speaker 2: book called The Master Switch.

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Speaker 1: Do I have it up here? Yes? This.

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Speaker 2: Tim Wu is a professor at Columbia University, Okay. The

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Speaker 2: Rise and Fall of Information Empires. Tim Wu, who is

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Speaker 2: a Supreme Court clerk. He is the guy who invented

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Speaker 2: the term. This is the guy. Tim Wu is the

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Speaker 2: guy who invented the term net neutrality. You guys have

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Speaker 2: probably heard that. Okay, I'm not going to get back

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Speaker 2: into it, but okay, so in this book the Master Switch,

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Speaker 2: there we are Tim Wu. In this book he makes

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Speaker 2: a basic argument. If you look at the history of

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Speaker 2: the development of new technologies, so in this particular case,

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Speaker 2: the telephone, or the radio or the television, which you

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Speaker 2: notice is that at the advent of this technology, when

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Speaker 2: it first is developed, there is this incredible period where

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Speaker 2: there's this burst of innovation around usage of this technology,

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Speaker 2: of all the firms looking to compete for consumers, of

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Speaker 2: consumers benefiting from all of these different firms, you know,

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Speaker 2: trying to leverage this technology in an interesting and.

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Speaker 1: New and helpful way. But what ends up happening.

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Speaker 2: Is over time, each of these industries begins to consolidate

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Speaker 2: and either a few players end up dominating or even

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Speaker 2: one dominates, and that's when regulation comes into play. Now,

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Speaker 2: the difference between the Master Switch and the Curse of

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Speaker 2: Bigness is that this is broadly about our current existing

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Speaker 2: society and how we have even though there's like there's

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Speaker 2: very few telecom companies, there's very few airlines, and you

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Speaker 2: can go on down the list. It's like, has no

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Speaker 2: one noticed. It's not quite monopolization, But it's these industry

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Speaker 2: consolidations that are happening that are reducing consumer choice, that

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Speaker 2: are reducing business transparency, that are are making our lives harder,

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Speaker 2: and they're not improving the product. I mean, there's all

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Speaker 2: kinds of harms, some worse than others associated with this consolidation.

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Speaker 2: And in this book, The Master Switch, he goes through

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Speaker 2: with evidence all of this burst of innovation with new

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Speaker 2: technology and then industry consolidation, and the point he makes

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Speaker 2: in it is that the Internet is experiencing and is

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Speaker 2: going through a serious process of consolidation. All you guys

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Speaker 2: remember years ago in the oughts, maybe fifteen years ago

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Speaker 2: or so, even before that a little bit. Yes, Google

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Speaker 2: was one of the more important search engines, but there

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Speaker 2: were many. When I was in college, Alta Vista was

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01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: a major search engine. Yahoo was a major search engine.

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Speaker 2: There was real parody in the Internet. You could develop

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Speaker 2: your own blog and other blogs could link to it.

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Speaker 2: You didn't necessarily have to have this reliance on Google

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: as a search engine to get an audience. But what

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: has happened with the Internet. It has consolidated in a major,

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Speaker 2: major way. This is my point about the tech debate.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reasons why folks are so focused on

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Speaker 2: tech censorship but they're not making this point is because

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Speaker 2: we are living right now in the age of platforms.

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Speaker 2: If you want to win in the current Internet, you

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01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: have to win on YouTube, you have to win on Instagram,

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01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: you have to win on Twitter, you have to win

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: on Google, you have to win on Facebook.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,480
Speaker 1: And you don't have to win on all of them necessarily.

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: Obviously you can just pick one, but you have to

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: dominate on a basically a handful of platforms that exist,

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: and if you don't, you just go away. There's no

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: other real way to develop an audience, or get your

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01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: opinion heard, or be a part of this exchange of ideas,

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 2: or have a business that has some kind of visibility.

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01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: And it's because, as tim Wu has rightly argued, in

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Speaker 2: my view, antitrust in this country.

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: Is not doing its job.

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Speaker 2: Part of the reason and the mistake of this debate

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Speaker 2: about tech censorship is if we were living in the

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Speaker 2: Internet that existed. The Internet twenty years ago wasn't as

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01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: developed and the products weren't as good, But the openness

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01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 2: of the Internet, the ability to reach out to an

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01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: audience without reliance on individual strong platforms, was much better

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. So if one particular platform banned you

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: or censored you, it didn't necessarily mean a whole lot

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 2: because you had all these other options. It was a

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01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: much more democratized space. But what has happened in twenty

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 2: years is major consolidation. So now when Facebook is deciding

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01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: what counts as a good opinion and what doesn't, you

1437
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 2: have much, much, much more severe consequences to those ideas,

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: to your livelihood, to your visibility. To me, you cannot

1439
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 2: have a debate about tech censorship and what to do

1440
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: about it unless you are also having a conversation about

1441
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: antitrust and about how big tech has consolid dated the

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: Internet and made it much less usable relative to the

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: way it used to be twenty years ago by consolidating

1444
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 2: on the platforms.

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: YouTube today is no doubt.

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01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: Better as a experience than it was twenty years ago,

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01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: there's no denying that. But the age of the blogs

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,839
Speaker 2: and the aughts was much better for getting your opinion

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01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: out there and much easier without many as many barriers

1450
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: to entry or tech censorship and overlords telling you what

1451
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: goes and what doesn't. So there's this there's this case

1452
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: now before the DOJ with Google. Who was the woman

1453
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 2: who was the I'll tell you the name of this person.

1454
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: You can look her up. I just discovered her myself.

1455
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: I cannot claim to be some kind of an expert

1456
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 2: on this. Far from it. There's a woman who is

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: just really really amazing. What is her name here? Hold on,

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: hold on just a second here, Okay, the woman I'm

1459
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 2: talking about is.

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Speaker 1: What's her name? Lena Kahn.

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Speaker 2: She published a paper on anti trust that has had

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: an enormous effect. In fact, because of her work, she

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01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: also served on the House Judiciary Anti Trust Subcommittee. She

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: helped expose how silicon valleys, how they use data and

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01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: power to undercut threat and swallow up competition. She had

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01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: a major impact. I've been sort of researching her. Dude,

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Speaker 2: big tech needs some anti trust intervention. Our consumer choices

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: more generally need some anti trust intervention. In fact, in

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Speaker 2: this book here, Tim Wu goes through and talks about

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01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: Bell and Bell being broken up as a telephone company

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Speaker 2: and how much better it was for consumers afterwards. Now

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Speaker 2: there's been a subsequent at and t you know, gobbling

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: up of everything again. There's been a reconsolidation and a

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: process that's happened. But basically, the argument that he makes

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01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 2: is that some form of anti trust intervention and is

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01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: required to keep the industries healthy and to service the consumer.

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: So y'all consider here and bitch about what Facebook and

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01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: Twitter are doing. But to me, it's like this is

1479
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: just a totally incomplete debate. The debate goes much beyond that,

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: and it goes into the consolidation of industry and in

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01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: particular telecom and Internet, and how that is impacting speech

1482
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: private or otherwise, and who has an opinion that folks

1483
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 2: get to listen to, and who has say over these issues.

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 2: It is not just about Oh, I don't want my

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01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 2: opinion censored or approved or whatever by Mark Zuckerberg. Yes,

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01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: of course nobody does. I would rather have a much

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Speaker 2: more open internet where I don't even have to worry

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: about that kind of consideration. Even if he did pull

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Speaker 2: that trigger. That is the point that I would like

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Speaker 2: to make okay, all right, we will end on that,

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Speaker 2: shall we. All right, So with that in mind, hit

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Speaker 2: that subscribe button. Thumbs up on this bitch. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, the whole nine yards read tim WU

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Speaker 2: the master switch, by the way, Cursive bigness. I think

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Speaker 2: I have a right here, Yes, here it is. Cursive

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Speaker 2: bigness is small. Look, it's very short. Cursive bigness is

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Speaker 2: only if you don't count citations.

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Speaker 1: It's just.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty nine pages. It's short. Now, master

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Speaker 2: switch a little bit longer. Master switch is Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: about three hundred so it's about twice the size. Cursive

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Speaker 2: bigness is very short, very easy to read, and it

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Speaker 2: gives you a real key blueprint to understanding our consolidated industries.

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Speaker 2: And why last thing I'll say this, you'all remember when

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Speaker 2: that dude got his teeth broken because he didn't want

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Speaker 2: to get off the United Flight or whatever, whether American

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01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: or whatever airline it was, and everyone's like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: boycott this airline. Know the fuck you're not.

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Speaker 1: You can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, some people can work it in a very

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Speaker 2: you know, unique way, but but the way in which

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Speaker 2: the airlines have consolidated and constructed their business such that

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Speaker 2: they only service certain hubs in certain ways, and there's

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Speaker 2: only a handful of them really.

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Speaker 1: In the United States.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, they're not really subject to mass boycott because it's

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Speaker 2: not really possible to do. I mean that, doesn't that

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Speaker 2: tell you something incredibly fucked up about the state of

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Speaker 2: airlines again pre pandemic. Yeah, it should that there's a

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Speaker 2: consolidation that has happened that is not in your interest,

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Speaker 2: not in my interest, not in yours, not in only

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Speaker 2: inbodies except theirs, and there needs to be intervention on that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Uh, morning combat tomorrow eleven am. We'll go

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Speaker 2: over Belatoor two fifty two. What else will we do?

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Speaker 2: We will go over the UFC card for Saturday as well.

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Speaker 2: There's some Canelo news we'll get to. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of good stuff. Okay, So