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Speaker 1: From Media Doors World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Kel's we can review with Ryan kel kel Land.

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Speaker 1: Now here's kel the quote. Wildlife group Friends of Animals

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Speaker 1: is suing Colorado Parks and Wildlife over the recent decision

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Speaker 1: to require a valid hunting or fishing license for all

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Speaker 1: recreators over the age eight team on state land leased

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Speaker 1: by Colorado Parks and Wildlife CPW is the state agency

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Speaker 1: that manages wildlife. Just to be clear, CPW also uses

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Speaker 1: funding from licensed sales to lease Colorado state land. State land,

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Speaker 1: which is private land held by the state for profit,

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Speaker 1: is not de facto public. The revenues from state lands

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Speaker 1: are typically for school funding. They can be used for

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Speaker 1: other sources as well, But in this case, instead of

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Speaker 1: you know, they're being like a gravel pit or mine

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Speaker 1: or uh, you know, some sort of private least situation

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Speaker 1: that precludes public access, CPW leases this ground to provide

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Speaker 1: public access, with the primary bend fish area of that

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Speaker 1: access being licensed holders. An increase in non licensed holding

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Speaker 1: recreators on these CPW managed state lands has subsequently increased

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Speaker 1: the cost to maintain the properties and reduced the value

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Speaker 1: of those properties to the hunting and fishing public. Furthermore,

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Speaker 1: some of the non hunting or angling activities were factors

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Speaker 1: in displacing wildlife and hurting habitat, which is of course

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Speaker 1: contrary to the program itself. In order to keep public

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Speaker 1: access for all and not just closing it to people

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Speaker 1: who hunting fish, Colorado Parks and Wildlife decided to implement

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Speaker 1: the requirement that every one who chooses to recreate on

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Speaker 1: these lands needs to have a hunting or fishing license. Now,

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Speaker 1: as some people do not know, a hunting or fishing

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Speaker 1: license does not necessitate the holder of that license to

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Speaker 1: hunt or fish. In fact, I would wager there are

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Speaker 1: more than a few people listening to this show that

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Speaker 1: held either license or possibly both, and never made it

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Speaker 1: a single day. It just happens. Sometimes. What else happens

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Speaker 1: is those licensed dollars, whether you hunted or fished or

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Speaker 1: did not, went to wildlife habitat restoration, landowner conflict mitigation,

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Speaker 1: population studies, and in this particular case, access. What the

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Speaker 1: so called wildlife group Friends of Animals is doing by

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Speaker 1: suing CPW is taking necessary funds away from wildlife doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound like any friend of mine. Friends of Wildlife has

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Speaker 1: many points of contention in the lawsuit, including members opposed

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Speaker 1: associating with or conveying messages in support of consumptive wildlife

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Speaker 1: use such as hunting and fishing fo A that's Friends

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Speaker 1: Wildlife claims the new rule imposes a person to express

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Speaker 1: authority to enact the new requirement. Friends of Wildlife also

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Speaker 1: claims the regulation violates the free speech clause of the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment and violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments by

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Speaker 1: restricting access. As we covered this is private land. There

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Speaker 1: the lease holder. The restricting access thing doesn't fly, but

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Speaker 1: we'll take it from the top. Consumptive wildlife use, Yes,

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Speaker 1: hunting and fishing is consumptive, typically when a fish or

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Speaker 1: an animal are killed and in hand. However, the consumption

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Speaker 1: of wildlife is not limited to hunting and fishing. Isn't

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Speaker 1: How many bird watchers have cringed as that sparrow thumps

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Speaker 1: under the grill as you're doing seventy five down I eighty.

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Speaker 1: How many mountain bikers have felt less than comfortable as

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Speaker 1: they crunched through a hatch of Mormon crickets, or, as

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Speaker 1: happens in the spring, little fuzzy baby chipmunks on that

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Speaker 1: single track. To really expand your brain, how many catch

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Speaker 1: and release fly fishermen have snagged back fishing the evening hatch,

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Speaker 1: Or for you gun or boat total maniacs out there

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Speaker 1: on yet another unsuccessful non consumptive hunt, have bumped elk

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Speaker 1: only to hear, uh, you know, gunshots. That scenario could

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Speaker 1: be swapped out for hikers or horse riders or anyone

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Speaker 1: else who thumps the trail to the non consumptive beat.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on back country skiers or

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Speaker 1: people who are just out walking your dogs or letting

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Speaker 1: without the intent to kill and consume, you are consumptive.

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Speaker 1: Is your consumption as easily computed as mine, a consumption

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Speaker 1: tied to notched tags and hunter harvest or creol surveys, No,

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Speaker 1: of course not. But the other part of my consumption,

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Speaker 1: those dollars support wildlife the whole year round, not just

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Speaker 1: during hunting or fishing season. For those who say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're just doing that so you can kill an

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Speaker 1: creatures that we aren't allowed to consume. And who enjoys

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Speaker 1: that stuff obviously not hunters, all you non hunting freeloaders do, right,

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Speaker 1: At least that's how the argument can be spun, and

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Speaker 1: easily so, because hunters and anglers are terrible at telling

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Speaker 1: and the years of quote unsuccessful hunting and fishing we

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Speaker 1: hunters and fishers do. We only show talk about and

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Speaker 1: celebrate the big brown trout, the buck, or brace of birds.

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Speaker 1: Our industry is the exact same way. You can't sell

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Speaker 1: on the end of the line or a nearly set

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Speaker 1: of antlers fill in the pack, can you? So? I

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Speaker 1: take responsibility for friends of animals thinking that every license

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Speaker 1: holding angler is always interacting with fish or every licensed

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Speaker 1: folks at Partake know that this isn't the case, but

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Speaker 1: they do not. CPW Colorado Parks and Wildlife could have

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Speaker 1: seen this one coming and come up with another option,

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Speaker 1: an access fee called you know, like Nature Impositioners pass

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Speaker 1: or Nature Disruptors annual fee something like that. But who

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Speaker 1: wants to rewrite a website if the cash is going

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Speaker 1: to the same place as the hunting and fishing licenses Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that sounds like a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: This week we've got an oir, Pebble Mind, Moose obituaries,

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Speaker 1: and Man's First Fire. But first I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: Ile Royal has been a home to caribou, links and

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Speaker 1: most recently moose and wolves, although not continuously. Researchers working

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Speaker 1: out to find a presumed dead radio colored bull moose.

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Speaker 1: Upon finding the carcass, they noted that the carcass had

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Speaker 1: A corn chip got him over to Tennessee. But sticking

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Speaker 1: is now allowing incidental take of elk in Tennessee outside

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Speaker 1: the elk restoration zone. I'm not sure where I stand

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Speaker 1: on this issue. As a landowner, self proclaimed wildlife manager

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Speaker 1: and hunter, I would never shoot an elk in Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Questions are numerous. Does this new change encourage illegal elk

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Speaker 1: hunting in nearby counties? Is it effectively legalizing opportunists that

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Speaker 1: defines incidental take? I've never seen a deer in East

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Speaker 1: deer A lot of good questions. In one email, jesse

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Speaker 1: this to say, When we reintroduced to elk in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: Elk Restoration Zone. This commission action will allow elk that

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