WEBVTT - Part Two: Ada Lovelace and Lord Byron: The First Computer Programmer, Child of the First Vampire

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Danel Hey, Daniel, Hi, Daniel. Our theme music was written

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<v Speaker 2>for us by Unwoman. And this is part two and

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<v Speaker 2>a two parter about Lord Byron and Ada Lovelace, And

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<v Speaker 2>it was meant to mostly be about Ada Lovelace, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I spent an entire episode talking about the archtypical,

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<v Speaker 2>the original fuck boy, her father, Lord Byron. Usually I

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<v Speaker 2>say you can't listen to part two without listening to

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<v Speaker 2>part one. You could probably listen to part two today.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually think it's really useful to understand where

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<v Speaker 2>Aida is coming from because she's really into her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my disclaimer. So yeah, in part one we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about an agent of chaos sent straight from hell to

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<v Speaker 2>home wreck, or a misunderstood fuck boy. In part two,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about his daughter, Ada. The actual reason

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing these episodes. The person who qualifies as a

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<v Speaker 2>cool person doing cool stuff, Ada Lovelace, who was not

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<v Speaker 2>born Ada Lovelace was born in eighteen fifteen, right before

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<v Speaker 2>her mom left her dad. Her mother, Lady Byron, was

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<v Speaker 2>a dedicated reform activist, And I kind of assumed that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a pretty milk toast and uninteresting thing when

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<v Speaker 2>I read that, like, oh, a dedicated orform activist, that

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<v Speaker 2>just sounds like some rich lady who wants to feel

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<v Speaker 2>better or whatever. She was part of the group that

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<v Speaker 2>ended slavery in the British Empire than freed eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was a cool person who or a person

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<v Speaker 3>who was doing cool stuff on her own, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>And she fought for prison reform. I wish I knew

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more about what that meant, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>still great, especially since England at the time was like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's just hang everyone, right, and she fought for the

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<v Speaker 3>abolition of slavery. She was one of the very few

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<v Speaker 3>women involved very actively in the British abolitionist movement because

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<v Speaker 3>the men wouldn't let women be involved because men, and

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<v Speaker 3>so she was one of like three or so women

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<v Speaker 3>at the eighteen forty World Anti Slavery Convention. This was

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<v Speaker 3>held in England. It was about two hundred Brits, fifty Americans,

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<v Speaker 3>and a few other random folks. Almost all of them

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<v Speaker 3>are white men. There's a handful of white women and

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<v Speaker 3>a handful of black men, is the best I can figure.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not aware of black women being invited, since women

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<v Speaker 3>weren't invited at all, and it was almost an afterthought. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not impressed by the politics of this particular group

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<v Speaker 3>around identity.

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<v Speaker 2>Issues, not intersectional right. However, this convention came out of

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<v Speaker 2>movement that had just managed to abolish slavery in the

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<v Speaker 2>British Empire in eighteen thirty four, which three day, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand people like I mentioned the main group behind

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<v Speaker 2>that I never would have thought would have done anything

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<v Speaker 2>worthwhile based on their name. Usually the cool groups have

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<v Speaker 2>like the League of Something or whatever. Right, this was

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<v Speaker 2>the Society for the Mitigation and gradual Abolition of slavery

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the British dominions? Who came up with that name?

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<v Speaker 2>That was not a good name, no, but it it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>I only read so much every now and then. I

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<v Speaker 2>read about the Abolisist movement in the UK, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know as much about it as I know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Ablisihist movement in the US. Right, Okay, that said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how the British Empire can kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>anything that sounds good and make it bad. Abolished slavery

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<v Speaker 2>was the rallying cry that was used in the Scramble

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<v Speaker 2>for Africa. That where like, they colonized Africa and killed

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<v Speaker 2>fuck tons of people and set the content up for

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty economically terrible twentieth and twenty first century. Because

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<v Speaker 2>empire can make anything that's good into a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a just get that like tattooed or like put

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<v Speaker 2>on a shirt. I know, I live by it. So

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<v Speaker 2>they had this conference, right, this is forty years before

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<v Speaker 2>the Scramble for Africa really kicks off. So I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say that these people were responsible for that. They were

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of doing something actually good. The non

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<v Speaker 2>inclusion of women at this conference was on purpose. It

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<v Speaker 2>was for men only. The larger faction there was like

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<v Speaker 2>a big fight about whether or not women should be included,

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<v Speaker 2>and the larger faction won. And then three women showed

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<v Speaker 2>up anyhow, and including Lady By, and they had some

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<v Speaker 2>supporters from within the convention who forced their inclusion. The

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<v Speaker 2>same faction that fought for the inclusion of women actually

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<v Speaker 2>made an effort to bring Oh I don't know, black

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<v Speaker 2>people from America, where slavery was a big problem, including

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<v Speaker 2>this guy who is just really fucking cool. I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>really read about him before, Charles Lennox Remond. He is

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<v Speaker 2>credited as the first black public speaker talking about abolition

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. Oh wow, I hadn't ordered him either. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't a minor figure at the time, but he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like the wildest militant. He was born free, so

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have the cool escape story. Like, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong, the escape stories are fucking cool, but like

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<v Speaker 2>he just was like putting in the work as an

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<v Speaker 2>orator and as an organizer, and he was the kid

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<v Speaker 2>of two hairdressers. And one of his big things that

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<v Speaker 2>he fought for successfully was that he organized that basically

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<v Speaker 2>like free black people would leave and mass any church

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't let them sit as equals at the communion table.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he made it to England for this convention,

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<v Speaker 2>all the women were denied entry, so he protested and

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<v Speaker 2>walked out alongside of them. He had just traveled across

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking ocean to come to this thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>like for freeing black people. And he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm intersectional. Fuck all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's I was joking earlier about how

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<v Speaker 3>the group wasn't intersectional, but it's not like there weren't

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<v Speaker 3>people who were down intersectionality back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's actually it's something that's come up a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of times, like when you look at for good reason,

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<v Speaker 2>people are critical of the early feminist movement for being racist, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and people look at some of the abolitionist movement and

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<v Speaker 2>see the exclusion of women or whatever. But the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually run across way more is people who

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<v Speaker 2>cared about both, saw them as connected and fought for both.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're just not as talked about, I mean, especially

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<v Speaker 2>because like once rich people, feminism kicks in and the

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<v Speaker 2>Suffragettes kind of there's some big racism problems and they're

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<v Speaker 2>worth paying attention to, you know. But but yeah, so Charles,

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably the most uncomplicatedly cool person in this week's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>He helped recruit black soldiers to the Union Army. He

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<v Speaker 2>after the war, he worked as a street lamp inspector,

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<v Speaker 2>a clerk, and then ended his life as a farmer.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's just a working class kid, a hairdressers who.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you know if he was like sending his

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<v Speaker 3>pubic hair to people and like sleeping with everyone's partners

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<v Speaker 3>and any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I'm not aware of that. And so that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of like I'm like, maybe he's the uncomplicated character because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't read a whole book about him, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Because like everyone, he did all that and just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>write it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. He was like, oh man, you won't believe what

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<v Speaker 2>I got up to in England, you know whatever. As

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<v Speaker 2>long as everyone's into it, I don't care. And Frederick

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<v Speaker 2>Douglass went on to name one of his sons after

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, Charles rem And Douglas was the first black

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<v Speaker 2>man to join the Union Army, and Charles Remon Douglas,

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas's kid was actually too sick to actually wind up

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<v Speaker 2>marching on the Confederacy, but did a lot of work

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<v Speaker 2>and was That's still a pretty fucking cool thing to

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<v Speaker 2>get to say you did, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons I think about this is

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm like, I'm about to talk about the origin

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<v Speaker 2>of computers and all this stuff, and instead of thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of history as this distinct, unrelated things you need your

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<v Speaker 2>big red yarn board. The same guy who stands up

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<v Speaker 2>for Luddites also fought for Greek independence against the Ottomans

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<v Speaker 2>and was married to a British woman who was directly

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<v Speaker 2>involved in the abolition of slavery in both the UK

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<v Speaker 2>and the US. Like, and that's where computer software comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love how you put that, because it's so easy.

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<v Speaker 3>No one who listened. I don't think anybody who listens

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<v Speaker 3>to this pod thinks this way. But it's very easy

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<v Speaker 3>to think of history as this thing that happened forever ago,

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<v Speaker 3>that was like very distinct, right, and so like we'll

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<v Speaker 3>put black history in one bucket, or like women's history

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<v Speaker 3>in another bucket, or like you know, gender studies or

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<v Speaker 3>sexuality in another bucket, and those and there's this idea

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<v Speaker 3>that those things are not bleeding over and intersecting and

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<v Speaker 3>having connections, and then something else like technology that's in

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<v Speaker 3>a completely separate realm, and it's like, no, it's all

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<v Speaker 3>mixed in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all history.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all this like very complex, you know, patchwork of

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<v Speaker 3>things that happened and intersected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my Google history is just full of like person's name,

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<v Speaker 2>religious beliefs, person's names, political views, persons named feminism, person's name, abolitionist,

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<v Speaker 2>just to see what comes up, you know, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>always more to people, because people want to have this

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<v Speaker 2>one dimensional view of everyone, you know. Lady Byron also

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<v Speaker 2>set up England's first cooperative school, basically socialist education. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know whether she identified as a socialist or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the people who whose work she was

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<v Speaker 2>using to set up this cooperative school was outspokenly a

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<v Speaker 2>socialist and the specific point of it. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I feel like I don't quite understand about England.

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<v Speaker 2>England is a weird thing, you know, I mean, so

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<v Speaker 2>is America. Like white American society is evil too. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to be like, oh those English so there's

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<v Speaker 2>only bad people. But the educational system there was absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>horrific in terms of bullying kids, forcing them into like

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<v Speaker 2>a fearful environment in which they are hyper competitive of

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<v Speaker 2>each other, right, and that I mean that causes the

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<v Speaker 2>British Empire on some level, right' It's chicken an egg problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like this culture of fear and domination, and

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<v Speaker 2>so Lady Byron tries to stop it by setting up

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<v Speaker 2>a cooperative school. Her quote about this is about talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how students should be treated, is that fear makes

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<v Speaker 2>slaves and the love of distinction leads to bullying and

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<v Speaker 2>the aggressive passions encouraged in England's elite public school systems.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so progressive to be seeing the ways that competition

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess, like the desire to be distinct I

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<v Speaker 3>guess how she put it, how that would fuel all

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<v Speaker 3>these ugly things in society. I can't imagine that was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well received at the time, I know, and the school

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<v Speaker 2>managed to last about eighty years. They taught the basics.

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<v Speaker 2>They taught kids how to garden and track their income

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<v Speaker 2>and shit. Also in addition to like you know, teaching

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<v Speaker 2>literature and math and all these things, so they actually

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<v Speaker 2>like taught practical life skills, like useful stuff that we

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<v Speaker 2>should have all learned in school. Yeah, exactly. And eventually

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<v Speaker 2>it shut down in nineteen seventeen, but it lasted like

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<v Speaker 2>eighty years. And yeah, like people kind of I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was a little bit the best I can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>I only read so much about her, but I read

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<v Speaker 2>a decent bit about her as best as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>People were like, oh, wacky hippie is doing their wacky

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<v Speaker 2>hippie thing. You know. Probably there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>culture war stuff about, like, no, it's the it's the

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<v Speaker 2>fighting pits of educational system that makes England the world

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<v Speaker 2>power we are, you know. So Ada's mother was pretty cool,

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<v Speaker 2>at least politically. She used to take Ada around on

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<v Speaker 2>tours of like textile mills to look at the conditions

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<v Speaker 2>that workers were in, which is probably if you are

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<v Speaker 2>raised a noble you should probably have to go see

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<v Speaker 2>how the other half lives, you know. And anything that

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Byron was working on was willing to hire black

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<v Speaker 2>Americans escaping slavery, and that I think was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>big deal that a lot of people in England were

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<v Speaker 2>like not okay with and she was like, I don't care,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do it. And I'm annoyed that she's

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<v Speaker 2>mostly remembered as the wife of Lord Byron.

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<v Speaker 3>Because all of these cool things, Like she was doing

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<v Speaker 3>cool stuff on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not as like sexy, you know. She just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of was like fairly polite and religious and tried to

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<v Speaker 2>make the world better. You know. She stayed in love

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<v Speaker 2>with her husband after their separation because and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's because she viewed his problems as madness right, not

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<v Speaker 2>as a character flaw. And she was also constantly trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save his soul from damnation. He's like in Greece

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and she's like writing letters being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna repent, like you know that like meme format,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like something something today, Hey babe, like you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this today? You know, yeah, basically just texting

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<v Speaker 2>him constantly being like, what's up. You wanna you want

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<v Speaker 2>to accept Jesus Christ your personal Lord and savior today.

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<v Speaker 2>This probably didn't endear her to him. But as for

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<v Speaker 2>how she raised Ada, this is messier. She seems like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not the best mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, single moms get way more flack than

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<v Speaker 2>they should, and Lord Byron certainly didn't do a very

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<v Speaker 2>good job of fathering her. On the other hand, she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't let Lord Byron have an anything to do with

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<v Speaker 2>their kid as far as I can tell. And basically

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Byron was like, no matter what, I am going

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure my kid does not end up a

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<v Speaker 2>wild libertine like her father. Her father dies when eight

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<v Speaker 2>is eight. And the way that she set about to

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<v Speaker 2>do this was to not let her have an imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the way it gets described, downplayed or outright

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<v Speaker 2>forbade teaching poetry and shit like that, no creativity all Stem,

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<v Speaker 2>except according to other sources, did teach a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like music, so it might have just been a specific

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<v Speaker 2>like no poetry, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it makes sense if she was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want my daughter to end up like her

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<v Speaker 3>libertine poet dad.

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<v Speaker 2>No poetry in this house.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say something, though, I do think

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<v Speaker 3>like the idea of STEM only. I know a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people who think that the only thing worth studying

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<v Speaker 3>it if you're if you're interested in tech or you

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<v Speaker 3>have aspirations to be in tech. The only thing worth

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<v Speaker 3>studying is a hard science or a stem, and that

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<v Speaker 3>humanity's poetry, music, gender studies, literature or all of that

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<v Speaker 3>is just fluff and the only thing that matters is

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<v Speaker 3>a hard tech. And those people I feel like they,

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<v Speaker 3>even if they are like gifted engineers or something, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that they might have trouble understanding what it is

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<v Speaker 3>that people who are going to go on to use

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<v Speaker 3>the technology that you build are using it for, which

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<v Speaker 3>is often culture or you know, something that is not

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<v Speaker 3>a hard tech.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I guess I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Say like I say that to say that you need

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<v Speaker 3>all the things to be a well rounded technologist. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like it when people poo poo the humanities because

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<v Speaker 3>they're like only focusing on programming or whatever. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's I think it's a really myopic way of seeing technology.

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<v Speaker 2>No, totally. And that's Ada's gift to computing and technology

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's the reason that she's seen is so

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<v Speaker 2>important or is so important, is that she bridged the

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<v Speaker 2>world between math and creativity and this became like her

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<v Speaker 2>whole fucking thing because she was both her parents' kid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like exactly everything that you're saying about it

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<v Speaker 2>is the thing that she was about, and like why

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<v Speaker 2>I got really excited about her as I was reading

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff, you know, And so it didn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>this attempt to stifle the creative spirit, which might be

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<v Speaker 2>an unkind reading of Lady Byron. It's hard to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone who's writing these things feels really strongly about Lord Byron.

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<v Speaker 2>No one gives a shit about Ada. No one gives

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<v Speaker 2>a shit about Lady Byron. Everyone either fucking loves or

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<v Speaker 2>hates Lord Byron. So everything revolves around him. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that some of it does, and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>start with him, but it's so hard to tell. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to tell exactly because some of the people saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she was a terrible mother are Byron apologists or Lord

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Byron apologists. Anyway, there are definitely versions where the mother's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty monstrous. She's a rich kid, so she has all

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<v Speaker 2>these private tutors and shit, right, apparently any of them again,

0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.520
<v Speaker 2>according to this reading, any of them got too close

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally to Ada were fired, so she's like not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to care about her teachers or have like affection. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a portrait of her dad, Lord Byron, hanging in

0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 2>her grandmother's house, but she's not allowed to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is behind green velvet curtains. Like, what a way

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<v Speaker 2>to make a kid obsessed with their dad?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's I mean, first of all, that's like put

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<v Speaker 3>anything behind big velvet green curtains and tell a child

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<v Speaker 3>you must never.

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<v Speaker 2>Look behind these curtains.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course they're going to like fixate on what's behind

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<v Speaker 3>those curtains.

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<v Speaker 2>I of course I know what's her obsession with the

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<v Speaker 2>forbidden box of forbiddenness? Kid, Why can't you just forget

0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:01.040
<v Speaker 2>about the forbidden box of forbiddenness? Yeah. So when she's

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and her father is like safely dead in the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>her mother takes her tour around Europe for a year

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<v Speaker 2>because that's like a normal rich people thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But they couldn't do it when she was younger because

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to accidentally run into Lord Byron. Young

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<v Speaker 2>Ada came back with her imagination on fire. She was like,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit, there's a world out there, and she became

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with trying to invent a flying machine. She studied birds,

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<v Speaker 2>she tried to get every book she could about birds

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<v Speaker 2>so that she could build a steam powered ornithopter. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the word ornithopter existed yet, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>what she wanted to build. Is before people figured out

0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.800
<v Speaker 2>fixed wing aircraft, and so everyone's into ornithopters, which are

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<v Speaker 2>like the fly he wants. I guess everyone knows what

0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.200
<v Speaker 2>it is now because Dune's out, but some of us

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<v Speaker 2>just have a terrible background in steampunk. And so I've

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<v Speaker 2>known about this for a long time. And it makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense that people thought about flapping wings instead of fixed

0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:58.199
<v Speaker 2>wing aircraft, right, because if you look around and you

0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 2>see the stuff that's flying, it flaps its wings, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So she spends years trying to invent this thing. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until the eighteen seventies that the first ornithopters were built,

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<v Speaker 2>and they used rubber bands, and so like rubber kind

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of successfully invented the ornithopter to some degree. So she's

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<v Speaker 2>into the shit. She is the world's for steampunk. I

0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:24.240
<v Speaker 2>would argue, much like our sponsor subcultures that seem promising

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and have some good elements but also some cringey stuff.

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Are we sponsored by that? Are you sponsored by? Big

0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:37.359
<v Speaker 2>top hat and goggles. Who know, well, it's better than

0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a fifth helmet. I guess anything's better than a fifth helmet.

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<v Speaker 2>Steambug is the greatest subcultural betrayal of my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, what, we're all obsessed with punk and also

0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.560
<v Speaker 2>where the industrial revolution and colonization really got going and

0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.639
<v Speaker 2>started destroying the world, And so we're really interested in

0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.280
<v Speaker 2>the people who are perfectly positioned to fight against it,

0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and we're making alliances across the world to destroy empire.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went to the conventions and it was

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<v Speaker 2>all top hats and goggles, and I was like, I think,

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm at the wrong convention. Anyway, maybe your

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 2>next big disappointment is here in these ads. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>back and Ada Lovelace is back from Europe and decides

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<v Speaker 2>to do the one thing that you should not do

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteenth century, which is get sick. She is

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.960
<v Speaker 2>bedridden for about three years. Some folks, of course, chalk

0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.240
<v Speaker 2>it up to psychosomatic stuff, like, oh, she has hysteria,

0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.399
<v Speaker 2>she's just stressed. Why doesn't she try yoga? You know

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:52.160
<v Speaker 2>girls just do that. Sometimes it was probably measles and encephalitis,

0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>which I had to look it up at inflammation of

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<v Speaker 2>the brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, my roommate got that from a hot

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<v Speaker 3>tub at beach Week when we were in college.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like crazy, Yeah, the wages of sin. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>She all right, Oh she was fine, but like you

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:14.360
<v Speaker 3>just needed I mean, luckily this happened in like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and four and not back when Ada was living.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, she does have to get antibiotics and it

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.440
<v Speaker 3>ruined beach Week, but she was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. Ada spent three years lying

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<v Speaker 2>in bed a little different. Yeah, from like roughly thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>to sixteen or so. She gets better, but she's never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in the most robust health at any

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<v Speaker 2>point in her life. And she goes off to London

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.359
<v Speaker 2>to join that bullshit society of five thousand rich assholes

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 2>who run the world. She is presented at court and

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 2>meets the King and all that shit and the whole

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.639
<v Speaker 2>like her whole life, she's a little bit like, she

0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really play this game that much. She's like dresses

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<v Speaker 2>as an intellectual instead of dressing as like a proper

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 2>lady or whatever, because she's cool. I mean, dressing is

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a proper lady is cool too, but it's also cool

0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 2>when you flout all about. On June fifth, eighteen thirty three,

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.560
<v Speaker 2>she's seventeen years old. She meets the man who will

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<v Speaker 2>change her life forever in cement her place in history,

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 2>and thank god this is not a romantic story. She

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<v Speaker 2>meets the forty one year old Charles Babbage, who is

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<v Speaker 2>generally credited as inventing the first computer. Obviously that's more

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<v Speaker 2>or less true.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, did you ever go to the store babbage Is

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<v Speaker 3>in the mall when you were a kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>My god, I did, and I would buy little I

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<v Speaker 2>would buy video games that on three and a half

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<v Speaker 2>inch three and a quarter inch floppy disks. I love.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's why I know who Charles Babbage Is've been

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 2>like a figure in my life. Yeah cool. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually thought about including that in a script, and

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I'm just gonna date me. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>People are like, what are they talking about? Like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>old y'all like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like where you where you got your janky ass

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 3>video games? While your mom was shopping at Talbot's or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>You would go to Babbages?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I like this one has a dragon on

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>the cover. I want it so bad. Dragon War that

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>was my favorite. I don't even remember what. Yeah, my

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 2>dad was an early adopter and like spent all his

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<v Speaker 2>like spent a lot of money on computers back when

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that was a hard thing to do. You know. That's

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 2>like how he chose to spend the little money had

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So she meets Charles Babbage and instead of

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<v Speaker 2>at a mall, it's at a soiree at his house.

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<v Speaker 2>And some people like to conjecture that they were sleeping together.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually I am the first person to believe rumors of

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 2>people fucking in history. I think that they had a

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>platonic intellectual friendship. She meets Charles Babbage at a soiree

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.679
<v Speaker 2>at his house. He's got these like little automaton toys

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone does to impress people at the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he built them. He has like a silver lady

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<v Speaker 2>with a turban on. It's a little wind up toy

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know. And her mother's nickname is the

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<v Speaker 2>Princess of Parallelograms. This is what Lord Byron called her

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<v Speaker 2>to make fun of her. But I think she's just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of into it. So Ada and her mom are

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<v Speaker 2>like not impressed by a little automaton. So he's like, oh,

0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>you want to see the real shit, and he takes

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 2>them back to like back of the house. This thing

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<v Speaker 2>he's been working on, a fucking difference engine, is a

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<v Speaker 2>mechanical calculator, more ambitious than anyone has ever dreamed at

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 2>this point that I'm aware of. He has a working

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 2>fragment of it. It is about two feet tall, It

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.160
<v Speaker 2>has two thousand brass parts, and it is hand cranked.

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>It can do basic math, including exponents and extract the

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>root of a quadratic equation, which is a math thing

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that I looked up for this and then was like, yep,

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 2>that's a math thing because I was a computer nerd

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and not a math nerd. Were you a math nerd? No, God,

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>not at all. You dropped out of a PhD for literature. No,

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:51.359
<v Speaker 2>no no.

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 3>And like I was at a conversation with somebody where

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.239
<v Speaker 3>they were like, oh, I did TRIG in school. What

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:56.880
<v Speaker 3>was your math? And I was like, yeah, my math

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 3>was just called math any of those names.

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I did real well at a level of math

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 2>up where I didn't have to pay attention, And so

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like in the like gifted smart math until

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>about PRECALC. And then I was like barely graduated high

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>school because I almost didn't pass PRECALC because I didn't

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>ever learn the tools with which to study because I

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>had undiagnosed ADHD. I mean, because I was so smart.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>This is going to come up as related as Charles

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Charles Babbage actually, and so this two foot tall, two

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 2>thousand part piece of a difference engine is all that

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 2>will ever be built of his math machines until more

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.479
<v Speaker 2>than one hundred years after his death. The thing about

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace that's so impressive is like

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 2>what they almost did, what they dreamed up, what they

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 2>could have done, and more and more the more I read,

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the more I realized if AIDA's poor health and Charles

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>his neurodivergence hadn't gotten in their way, it probably would

0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:00.919
<v Speaker 2>have done like this could have happened. They did manage

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 2>to have a direct influence on modern computing, but it

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a direct lineage basically the best other people know

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>this better than I do. But their work was kind

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>of rediscovered early on in computing, rather than it being

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 2>like people like immediately just building off of what they did.

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Don't sorry about Charles Babbage. You heard much about Charles

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Babbage Besides the storm.

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I knew a little bit about him, but most of

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 3>my entry point is the store in them all.

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough, the real quick version, as he is

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a cranky old man with adhd. Charles Babbage was not nobility,

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>but he was rich, which is kind of the same thing.

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 2>His father was a successful goldsmith and banker, and so

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.719
<v Speaker 2>young Chuck. No one called him that besides me right

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>now that I'm aware of. He grew up with private tutors,

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he went off to Trinity College, where Lord

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Byron had gone and Oscar Wilde, and while he was there, Actually,

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>young Charles Babbage seems fun. He formed the Analytical Society

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>with some peers, which is what I consider fun. But

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>his other stuff is more directly fun. He was part

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Ghost Club. They were paranormal investigators. What Yeah.

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>They actually both Aida and especially Charles Babbage do some

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>interesting like theological science stuff that I'll talk about in

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>a minute. He also either joins or starts a group

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 2>called the Extractors Club, which is a group of students

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>who swear to help each other escape asylums if any

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 2>of them are ever declared insane honestly, like practical, I know,

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and just like that's like a good that is a

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 2>green flag. It's a little bit of a red flag.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not actually colorblind, but this would be the

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing I'm colorblind on. This would be a

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 2>red flag and a green flag in a relationship for me.

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Like the fact that you think that you might be

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 3>institutionalized against her will not great. The fact that you

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 3>would help if that happened. You were confirming that you'll

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 3>help somebody escape.

0:27:54.480 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>That is that is nice? Yeah, exactly, and again and

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 2>going back in time and being like this person's crazy

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>in the following ways is like always fraught. But like

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I Charles Babbage was adhd or like had something that

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I identify with really hard, which was that he he

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 2>was always starting something new. He was always studying some

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>new thing, and he like his work suffered because instead

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:26.399
<v Speaker 2>of finishing projects, he was onto the next one. I

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>identify with that. That's a little bit of a direct hit. Well,

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the next line in my script is that motherfucker should

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>have just gotten into podcasting because then you can deep

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 2>dive a new subject every week.

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, I think somebody should do like

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 3>a analysis of eight people who have ADHD and also

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 3>became podcasters.

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be a big overlap. I know. I was

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>actually worried when I was first got this job, and

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was talking to one of my

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>friends and I was like, I'm I'm really good at

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>starting projects. I'm pretty good at seeing projects through, but

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>but I always need to be onto the next thing.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>And my friend was like, every time I talk to you,

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you are in a one month research hole about a

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>different thing. That never changes. The fact that you want

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to be in a research hole does not change. I

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, so, and here we are, insightful friend. I know,

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>he was really into math, and he was really into astronomy,

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Charles Babbage. He gave lectures and wrote papers, which is

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of like podcasting, to be honest, and he was

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 2>supported by his dad and his wife's family because there

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a lot of money in this science stuff. And

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>so I'm I want to try this line of work

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>as well. Anyone who is rich and trying to get

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>married and wants to finance weird projects, hit me up,

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>especially if you're landed nobility. I'm going to change my

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>tune about titles and all that nonsense. If you can

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>make me a baroness just putting that out there, baroness

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Margaret kills you, right, Yeah, but probably not. Actually, I'm

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>really picky. Probably don't actually DM me about this. I

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 2>was like, Oh, I'm gonna make this clever joke, and

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I'm going to destroy my DMS.

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>So at one point I wrote in the early nineteen twenties,

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>but I meant the eighteen twenties. He goes to France,

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and when he's in France, he learns that the French

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>government is pouring a ton of money and energy into math.

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Not theoretical math, although that's cool too, but they are

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>hiring computers, like the job description, people who do computing.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>And if people want to hear more about that, they

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>can go back and listen to me and Bridget talking

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>about that and the black woman who put us on

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the moon and all that cool shit. And so France

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>is hiring computers to do logarithm and trigonometry tables, which

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 2>were used for navigation and engineering, so instead of having

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>to sit down and do really complicated math, you can

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>look at the table. Charles saw this and was like oh,

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>doing stuff for the social good is good, and we

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>should have more of that. Specifically, I want that for astronomy.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I wish the British government would hire me to do that.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>And he also said, quote I wish to God these

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>tables had been made by steam. Because he was just

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>looking at how much work is involved in computing all

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>these things. So he was like, all right, I'm gonna

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>figure how to do that, because at the end of

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the day, what he was building wasn't a general computer,

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it certainly not. At first. He wanted to build machines

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that could produce mathematical charts. It was Ada who saw

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.959
<v Speaker 2>what it could actually really become, but he hadn't met

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>her yet. This is eighteen twenty three. He meets her

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 2>ten years later. She's like seven. She probably still could

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>have figured this out. She was a smart kid. Eighteen

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, he convinces the British government to give him

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of money, about two million dollars in modern dollars,

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>to try and build one of these things. It would

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>have twenty five thousand moving parts, which eventually he gets

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>down to about eight thousand moving parts. He never finishes it. Instead,

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he spent his life becoming increasingly bitter and grouchy, and

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 2>he spends all of his time complaining that the British

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 2>government doesn't finance the sciences, in particular him enough, Like,

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>this is another guy that I've met, you know, Oh.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 3>If you are in the sciences, technology, you know this

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 3>guy academia. You know this guy who won't stop complaining

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 3>about how his stuff never gets funded.

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 2>You know him. And he's like, I'm a visionary, and

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you're like, okay, Chuck, but like he actually is a visionary.

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>You just don't know it, you know, And he's sort

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>of insufferable. Later, he's going to go to war against

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>street musicians because they keep him awake. That I'm on

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>board with. Actually, oh no, I mean fair enough. As

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a former street musician. He now he is complaining about

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 2>street musicians at six in the morning. And I can't

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 2>imagine when I was a street musician, I did not

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 2>live in a life. If I was awake at six

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>in the morning, it's because I hadn't gotten home.

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Yet, you know.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nobody like six am street musicians. That's a different level.

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So in eighteen twenty four, the year after

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 2>he gets a bunch of money to work on the

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>difference engine. He takes a job making tables for a

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>life insurance company instead, And honestly, that's a good reminder

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of what would have happened if he had built the

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 2>difference engine. It wouldn't have been like now we're mapping

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the stars. It would have been like the British Empire

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 2>got computers one hundred years early, and like life insurance

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>gets computers one hundred years early. In eighteen twenty seven

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>he published a table of logarithms that would go on

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>to be reprinted for one hundred years. And this is

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>just stuff he did the math of and so his

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>big famous book is called Table of Logarithms of the

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Natural Numbers from one to one hundred eight thousand. That's

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>his big book. Also in eighteen twenty seven, his dad died,

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 2>leaving him about one hundred thousand pounds sterling, which is

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>about fourteen million dollars in modern money. Then his wife died.

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>He also lost five of his eight kids. This man

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>was not having a good time.

0:33:59.280 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Rich.

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, happy, No, there's that study that money buys happiness

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>up to about like at the time it was about

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand dollars a year, and then after that it

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.919
<v Speaker 2>just levels off. The new number is probably almost twice thought.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.240
<v Speaker 2>But he also wrote a book with the catchy title

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Reflections on the Decline of Science in England and on

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>some of its causes, which was his big like why

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>won't the British government give me more money? Like a

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>whole book about that one complaint basically, but it's actually,

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like probably true. It argues for more

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>public investment in the sciences and better STEM education, you know,

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and especially since like I actually wonder if that comes

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>out of him not being a noble right, because the

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 2>people who have access to science are rich people, and

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 2>so if you don't have to work for a living,

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you can study sit around and study things at this time,

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and so like actually trying to teach more people more

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>broadly STEM like that's cool. In eighteen thirty two, he

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 2>finished a small prototype of his difference engine. In eighteen

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty three, shows it to Ata and her mother. Meanwhile

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 2>going with her mom to see the textile mills and

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 2>the terrible working conditions there, and her takeaway wasn't these

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>people are being treated terrible. I don't know how she

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>felt about that. Actually I was really annoyed that I

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.240
<v Speaker 2>couln't find outw she felt out about that. But certainly

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>part of our takeaway was these machines are fucking cool,

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and the history of automation and machinery and therefore computing

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 2>comes back to textiles, which we talked about on our

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.479
<v Speaker 2>recent Light eight episodes about the automation of these things.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Was like, one of the first things that steam power

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 2>is being used for automation was ruining the lives of

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.360
<v Speaker 2>workers when it could have been improving their lives except

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>for this new thing sweeping the country called capitalism. But

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>in the abstract, people are figuring out cool shit the

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>machines can do. And it's a shame that the cool

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>ideas for what those machines can do are the reason

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>that it's this spring was too hot and we've had

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the hottest hero on record for several years in a row. Anyway,

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>it's always in the back of my mind whenever I'm

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>like because I still think computers and technology are cool,

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 2>but I'm always like, oh thing, Yeah, it's a love hate.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a complicated relationship. It is it is. In eighteen

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>oh four, there was this machine invented that called the

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Jacquarde loom, which uses a series of punched cards chained

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.240
<v Speaker 2>together in a continuous sequence to remember textile patterns for weaving.

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>And I would argue that the first piece of computer

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>art predates the computer by one hundred years because the

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 2>inventor of this loom, whose name is Jacquardes imagine that is,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>he has his portrait woven from silk, and this requires

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty four thousand punched cards to produce. And this is

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 2>like a commercially available product, like it's on order, you

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>have to like they're made to order. But Charles Babbage,

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>for example, has one of these tapestries and you could

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>call it a print. It still has humans involved, but

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 2>it is like a machine that is programmed to make

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>a thing. Such an interesting perspective. I just I find

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:02.919
<v Speaker 2>it neat because the thing we're talking about like stem

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and like, oh, what can you do with computers? And

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>they're like, well, the first thing you can do is

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you can make a portrait of a rich asshole. It's

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool. You know, it would have been like

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 2>memes and like it's like you know now it's like

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>whenever someone invents a new instrument, the first thing they

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 2>do is like play the Mario brother brothers, you know, like,

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.240
<v Speaker 2>all right, that's fine. So Ada sees the textile machines

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and she's really into it. She's also really into math

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 2>like her mother, and soon she is teaching younger women

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 2>math and she's corresponding with Babbage about his machines. And

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>then she makes a pretty good call. Rarely when on

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>the show, when I talk about someone getting married, is

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it a good call if it's a woman. She marries

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 2>a wife guy. And this guy is named William Lord King.

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Lord is in his middle name. His title is Lord

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 2>King because king is his last name. That fucking Britain.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Soon enough, he gets promoted by someone dying and he

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 2>becomes the Earl of Lovelace. So Ad Ada gets the

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 2>name Ada Lovelace, the Countess of Lovelace. And how did

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 2>him to becoming an earl? Makeer accountess? Who knows? Don't

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>want to know? If you do, If you know it,

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>keep it to yourself. Yeah, it's all a weird soap opera,

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 2>only in this case, it's a soap opera that, instead

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of entertaining people, kills entire cultures and extracts resources from

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 2>around the world. But her husband is a pretty good guy.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>He's really supportive of her. He's really into math and

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>science and shit, but he's not as good at it

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>as she is, and he doesn't care. He just supports

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 2>her in doing it, Like he leverages his credibility as

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a nobleman emphasis on the dash men to get her

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>into spaces that are closed to women. There's like a

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>she joins the society for like scientists or whatever, and

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 2>they have this big library and she like can't go

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in and use the books even though she's a member

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 2>of the society because she doesn't have a dick, and

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that annoys me and it annoyed her. The other thing

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>about her husband, mister the King, he is a huge

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 2>lord Byron fan and so is Ada Lovelace. The both

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of them are obsessed with the poetry of dead rockstar

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Dad and like, one, what are the odds that he

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>turned into like this like perfectly nice husband based on

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>his interests. You know, this is like the person who's like, oh,

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>all of my interests are the following literature is just

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 2>red flag after red flag and then like perfectly sweet man,

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and I would bet a moderate amount of money that

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 2>the pair swung together. I wouldn't bet all my money.

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>But that's like my vibe I'm picking up.

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.919
<v Speaker 3>So I guess that green curtain to make sure that

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 3>she never became a libertine poet did not work.

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, she is absolutely, that's the thing, Like she's

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>gambling or we'll talk about what she gets up to.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>She now is in the prime of her life, being

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>a rich bit she's just like married up, even though

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 2>she was already up. You know, she has three kids,

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>so she's busy running the household. I put that in

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 2>quotes because she is hiring people to do the work

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of running her house sold Well. Call this class bitterness

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>with Margaret kilj that's the name of this episode. She

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 2>spends her time riding horses, playing harp and studying really

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 2>complex math and hiring the best mathematicians in the world

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 2>to tutor her, who're willing to not just because of

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the money, but because her dad is famous as hell.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And she's really into music too. She wants to be

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 2>a professional singer. And her friends are like, ah, you

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>should like stick to the harp and math, man, you're

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>so good at the harp and math. It's before I

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 2>have honest friends, maybe or maybe not you know, maybe

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>this should have encouraged her. Meanwhile, her mom, in classic

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>form of good at politics not the best at being

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 2>a mom, is controlling as hell, yelling at her about

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>how she handles herself in society because I think she's

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of being a bit of a libertine, and also

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>how she's like raising her kids and shit. Ada meanwhile

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>is gambling on horses, drinking and I think fucking around.

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.879
<v Speaker 2>She is her father's daughter. And all the while she's

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:03.240
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<v Speaker 2>So Charles Babbage is working on these machines, but he

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 2>has a problem. Well, his real problem is that everyone

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.919
<v Speaker 2>he loves is dead and he's sad. But his other

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>problem is that he isn't good at finishing projects. And

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>his ability to be productive and make a world changing

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>machine is hampered by his inability to finish things. Meanwhile,

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the writing books of titles like on the Economy of

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Machinery and Manufacturers about how to efficiently run factories, and

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 2>he starts writing sciencey theology or what was called natural theology.

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>And this is kind of before I mean, there's atheist

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 2>at this time, right, He's always been atheists as soon.

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>But there's this thing that's happening now that people are

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 2>really into science where people are like, oh, well, like

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's like all complicated, and God made

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 2>all the complicated and it's like kind of interesting. He

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>was the potentially the first person to basically suggest that

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>God is a programmer creating a complex system. Therefore is

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>responsible for the fact that we now have that thing

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>where some people believe we're all living in a simulation.

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I am one of those people. I can't say it's wrong.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I watched a documentary and I've walked away from that

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 3>documentary thinking it's more likely than not.

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I know it sounds absurd.

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 3>I know it sounds like it is like a massive

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>bonng rip, but like I do believe it.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe it. My equivalent level of wacky belief is

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 2>equantum immortality. I like, I'm like kind of sold on it.

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 3>You should do a bonus episode that's just like cool

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Zone team, what's your wackieth but deeply held belief?

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, totally Okay, Well, so you might like his

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 2>natural theology. He says that the repeating patterns found all

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>throughout the natural world are evidence of the fact that

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 2>this is a programmed thing, and that miracles aren't breaking

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>natural laws but were instead, quote, the exact fulfillment of

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>much more extensive laws than those we suppose to exist. Oh,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it is that kind of like because as a kid,

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 2>we'd always be like, if someone believed in ghosts, you'd

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 2>have to figure how to reconcile with science. And the

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>answer is like, well, science doesn't understand it yet, right, Like,

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>that's not a I don't disagree with that assessment. You know,

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>that does not specifically my setup of beliefs, but like

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>makes sense to me. It makes sense. Yeah, And meanwhile

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like throwing huge soares that Darwin and Dickens and

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>people like that come to He ran for office on

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a yay actories and computers platform, but did not win.

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't popular because people thought he squandered all the

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 2>public money, because he got a lot of money from

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 2>the government to build a machine and then he didn't

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 2>so kind of fair. He didn't finish the difference engine

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 2>in part because making it was too took too long,

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was also it wasn't just like him carving

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the brass pieces. He's like hiring people and working with

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:27.240
<v Speaker 2>engineers and stuff. Right, But soon he already invented something

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.320
<v Speaker 2>better than the difference Engine. He invented the analytical engine.

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And this one would use punched cards to store data

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>like the looms did, and just to reiterate that modern

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 2>computing developed out of art instead of the other way around,

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 2>this analytical machine would basically be a universal computer. All

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.600
<v Speaker 2>but he still mostly he's still seen it as a

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>way to compute tables and charts and shit, just like

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>more efficiently, with like less user intervention, like less programming

0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>each individual setup. Right. In eighteen four he goes to

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Italy and he gives a lecture about this analytical engine.

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>An Italian Army engineer who decades later is going to

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>become a center right Prime Minister of Italy. Is a

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>guy named Luigi because he's Italian. That actually is his name,

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 2>and he's into it. And in eighteen forty two he

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>wrote about the analytical engine in French. Aida translated it

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.760
<v Speaker 2>into English for publication. The original was about eight thousand

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 2>words or so. She added a ton of shit. Her

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>translation was about twenty thousand words because of all the notes.

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>This is her thing. This is the thing that she

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>wrote that cements her in history, which is so wild

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that it's like a translation of a thing. But that's

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>actually a fairly normal way for people to break into

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:46.720
<v Speaker 2>sciences and stuff at the time is to add notes

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 2>to existing work by translating it. So while she's writing this,

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 2>this is the thing that have you run across the like, Oh,

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Aida didn't really do it. Babbage did all the work.

0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, many many times. That's something that tech bros

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 3>love to trot out.

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know who didn't believe that? Who Charles Babbage.

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>He wrote explicitly about the fact that it was Ada's work.

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Take that, tech bros. Yeah, listen to your own fucking hero.

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>She corresponded with him about it all the time. Mail

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 2>in London was like texting. It was six times a day,

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and so people just like so she just wrote him

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 2>and was like, hey, I'm working on this part of

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 2>it and stuff, and they correspond about it. But it

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>was her ideas. And I rarely say things are like

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>history has a consensus about a thing on this show,

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>because like usually they don't. Like Charles Babbage feels this way,

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>and so does everyone who actually studies it, as best

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>as I can tell, and like he was there, y'all,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.359
<v Speaker 2>he would know, yeah, and he's like, I mean, he's

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 2>supportive of her work, but he's not like the hero

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 2>of like progressiveness and feminism or something either. But oh

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and then meanwhile, her dutiful husband is inching over her pencil,

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 2>like it's like the equivalent of like he's like typing

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>it up, which is like fucking cool.

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't get to do a lot of I

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 3>imagine you don't get to do a lot of stories

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 3>about the supportive helphol men in the orbit of a

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 3>talented woman.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I know the men quietly in the background. They do

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 2>come up and I make they make me very happy,

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 2>like secretly my favorite kind of person to cover on

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 2>the show as a wife guy, which is annoying. It

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 2>should be the cool wife or the cool unmarried woman.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 2>But in some ways, I'm just like, oh, look at

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>the guy. He's so nice.

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, not to give unsolicited romantic advice, but somebody

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 3>once told me that if you are an ambitious woman

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 3>that and you are going to like align yourself with

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 3>a man, that man could either be an anchor or

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 3>a springboard.

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>There is no in between. So she's very wisely, yeah,

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>that makes some sense. If people don't support the projects

0:47:55.960 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you're doing, it's not worth it, not worth it. And

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.279
<v Speaker 2>so the thing that Babbage did try to write for

0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>this piece, this translation, he wanted to write an anonymous

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 2>preface about how the government wasn't sponsoring science enough and

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 2>now let you get more money, and Ada is like, no,

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I don't want to bet in my book,

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 2>which is more evidence of the fact that he didn't.

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Fucking like she controlled this thing. It was her project.

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 2>And it comes out and her dutiful husband is giving

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 2>away copies to all his friends, being like, look how

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 2>fucking cool my wife is. And it's the notes in

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>this in which she basically writes the first computer programs.

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 2>She writes out hypothetical programs that this computer could be

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 2>used for And so there's the like, you know, is

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 2>she a diversity inclusion or whatever? Is she overrated? And

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 2>She's only overrated in the same way that so is

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Charles Babbage. Neither of them made computers. Both of them

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.839
<v Speaker 2>thought about computers. You know. He in a cool I

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>like the idea that people are able to like come

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 2>up with an imaginary thing and then develop it and

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 2>build it all in their minds. And I'm impressed by that.

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.560
<v Speaker 2>In terms of what they actually hypothesized. Lovelace is as

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 2>important as Babbage. There's no doubt in my mind. Babbage

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 2>did hardware, love Lace did software. Babbage figured out how

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 2>to make a thing. Lovelace figured out what you could

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 2>do with it. In this work she invented loops and

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 2>nested loops. In programming, she talked about a hypothetical thing

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 2>that could have taken three hundred and thirty cards, but

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:31.879
<v Speaker 2>then instead figured out how to do it with only

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>three cards. She dreamed about what computers could do beyond numbers,

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and hypothesized writing music on them. She wrote that quote

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the fundamental relations of pitch sound in the Science of

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Harmony could be used in order to quote compose elaborate

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:55.280
<v Speaker 2>or extent. She also predicted, I think accurately that computers

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 2>will never be able to think that AI itself is

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of an illusion. She wrote, quote, the analytical engine

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 2>has no pretensions to originate anything. It can do whatever

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>we know how to in order to perform, and essentially later,

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the way that Babbage comes back into fame is that

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Alan Turing finds Ada's writing and famously I don't remember

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 2>what episode we covered him on, but he was a

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 2>persecutive for homosexuality, inventor of computers who also defeated the Nazis.

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Alan Turing that guy, okay again, annoying thing on Twitter

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 2>or right wing people are like now I see all

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 2>the right wing shit on Twitter ever since Elon must

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:35.800
<v Speaker 2>took over and the you know, engagement bait or whatever,

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 2>but there's this thing where it's like, well, no one

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>from this country's flag ever invented anything, and it's like

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:47.240
<v Speaker 2>the trans inclusive rainbow flag, and it's like Alan Turing

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 2>beat the Nazis. Yeah, like, I mean there's a lot still. Yeah,

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about forty percent of the human population is

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>rough LGBT by old studies from one hundred years ago, Like,

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling people did some shit. People did

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>some shit.

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 3>And I gotta say that quote that you just read

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 3>from Lovelace about how computers would only ever be like

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>regurgitating what we know, I cannot believe that that was

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 3>not written this year about AI because it is so

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 3>fucking spot on, and it is wild to hear how

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:26.919
<v Speaker 3>prescient that.

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.879
<v Speaker 2>Was all the way back then. Yeah, when computers were

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>literally a figurement of her and Babbage's imagination. That is like,

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.360
<v Speaker 2>that is like some mind blowing shit right there. Yeah,

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 2>because the actual crazy magic is what the human mind

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 2>can do. And so Alan Turing called this objection Lovelace's objection,

0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's like still stands as like a thing in

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 2>modern computer science or whatever. She was the force that

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 2>almost brought us to the computer age one hundred years early,

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.479
<v Speaker 2>because she basically hounded Babbage into letting her take over

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 2>not building, but like project managing the building thereof. And

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:10.279
<v Speaker 2>I think her husband was going to have to be

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a proxy in order to like make this happen or whatever.

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 2>But I read one version where it was basically like

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Babbage was the CTO and she was going to be

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the CEO, you know, and this is not the kind

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of thing you can build in your garage. The analytical

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 2>engine would have been the size of a freight train,

0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 2>or maybe the size of an engine car. I am

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:29.719
<v Speaker 2>confused by the thing I read about it. It would

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 2>have involved at least fifty thousand moving parts, and it

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.000
<v Speaker 2>would have required government intervention to make it happen. They

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.080
<v Speaker 2>actually would have had to give more money. And basically

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 2>she writes all these letters being like, hey, Bud, let

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 2>me take over. I can actually make this happen. I'm

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 2>not a bitter old man who everyone's mad at, you know.

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And he eventually relents and he's like, okay, let's make

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 2>this happen. And instead she gets sick. She was never

0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>particularly healthy, but in her thirty she got way sicker.

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 2>It was cervical cancer, though she didn't know that for

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 2>a while, and she's like taking a lot of medication,

0:53:04.280 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of laudanum and other stuff for the pain.

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 2>So instead of fundamentally changing the world, which she absolutely

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 2>could have done, she died at thirty six, same age

0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 2>that her father died. While she was on her deathbed,

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 2>she requested that Charles Dickens come to her bedside to

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.320
<v Speaker 2>read to her about death from one of his books,

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:27.399
<v Speaker 2>and she wrote about herself while she died, I begin

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to understand death, which is going on quietly and gradually

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 2>every minute, and will never be a thing of one

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:38.640
<v Speaker 2>particular moment. And she also, while on her deathbed, made

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:42.439
<v Speaker 2>a confession that upset her husband gravely, and we will

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 2>never know what it was. And I'm so annoyed. My

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>money is on cheating, but I'd rather it was. My father.

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Lord Byron is alive and he's a vampire and it's

0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:56.600
<v Speaker 2>going to turn me into a vampire. Sorry, Bud. She

0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:58.919
<v Speaker 2>let her mother save her soul on her deathbed because

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.720
<v Speaker 2>her mother's like writing her the same notes like save today,

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:06.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, hey, how about today? I want Jesus today.

0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 2>And so she religiously converted back to Christianity from people

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 2>like to argue people like try to own her for

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:19.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever their particular religion or lack of religion is scientific atheism.

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 2>It also could be possible that she was a deist

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 2>like her father, or a pantheist. She wrote a lot

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 2>about God as like she seemed to be kind of

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>on a like natural theology page. Somewhere between that and atheism.

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>She talked about science was her religion, but not in

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a way where it was like, therefore, I don't need religion.

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I think she meant it. She's just interesting And I

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 2>have no idea if she accepted Christ in earnest, or

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:42.920
<v Speaker 2>if it was to ease her mother's worries, or she

0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.320
<v Speaker 2>just did the like isn't it that that's that logic

0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 2>puzzle of like, well you might as well on your

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:51.080
<v Speaker 2>deathbed because there's no harm in not doing it, or yeah,

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I like to think she did it

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 2>for her mom. I mean whatever, like but like it's

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:56.399
<v Speaker 2>like a nice like, oh I don't need to worry

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 2>about my soul or whatever, you know. I don't know.

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 2>But she insisted she be buried next to her father.

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 2>This was the fact that made me then deep dive.

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Lord Byron, I was just doing mostly Ada and a

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:15.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit of Charles, and I was like, man, she

0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 2>was raised to have nothing to do with her father,

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, I'm getting buried next to my father.

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Her memorial was engraved with a sonnet that she wrote

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>called The Rainbow, which is about how despite the miseries

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and mourning of the world. God gives us rainbow so

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that we can be soothed. It's actually very sweet. I

0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 2>actually like it more than I like Lord Byron's poetry

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:38.239
<v Speaker 2>that I've read, but I've only read a little bit

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:42.839
<v Speaker 2>of Lord Byron's poetry. Neither her mother nor Babbage came

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to her funeral. I am not sure why, especially her mother.

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It might have been an objection to the location, and

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the obituaries about her from the time are just discussing now.

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I know she seemed really masculine, but don't worry, she

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 2>was still feminine at heart. She liked me music like

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a proper woman, even though she did all that man's stuff.

0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 3>How embarrassing that she did so much, and that that's

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.080
<v Speaker 3>what her obituary was concerned with. Did she hear the

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 3>traditional gender roles? Don't worry y'all.

0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 2>She totally did. Yeah, God damn it. She had three kids.

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Her oldest son and her did not get along. He

0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 2>fucked off to the navy, deserted, and died working in

0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 2>a shipyard at twenty six. Her daughter married a poet

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and moved to Southwest Asia and became the world's premier

0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 2>breeder of Arabian horses. Her youngest son inherited the title

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and stayed on the estate and was really not into

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>his parents, but was into his grandma like Lady Byron,

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and wrote books talking about his grandfather. Lord Byron Babbage

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 2>lived for another eighteen years, never quite making progress on

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 2>his analytical machine, just writing a bunch of different shit.

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:56.160
<v Speaker 2>He went to war against the street musicians, cranky old Man,

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Pair were largely forgotten for a long time,

0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 2>but eventually there are mechanical computers, then electro mechanical, then electronic.

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forties people started programming. Alan Turing rediscovered the

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Pair through Ada and her translation and notes, and heavily

0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 2>influenced him, specifically as he was developing the idea of

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 2>a universal computer instead of the task specific computers that

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 2>were being developed already. So in the end I would

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>say yes, they influenced modern computing incredibly and directly, even

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 2>though there's this like skip where they weren't for a minute,

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 2>you know. And the part that makes me sad. A

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of things make me sad, A lot of things

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 2>make me very happy. Thing it makes me sad is

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:41.919
<v Speaker 2>thinking about how it's probably good that the British didn't

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 2>develop the computer during the peak of their empire. I

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 2>want to be happy about cool machines when you add

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the willingness to treat people as numbers to one of

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:56.400
<v Speaker 2>the largest and worst empires the world has ever suffered under.

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Alan Turing's Lady Lovelace objection is quote an AI can't

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 2>originate anything. That's the simplification of that. I think about

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:12.280
<v Speaker 2>that constantly now, which you're like, and what's cool about

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that is it's like it's not even a therefore, don't

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.000
<v Speaker 2>do it, right, you know.

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I completely agree, and it's like it's

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 3>not a therefore, don't do it, but it's it's an

0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 3>understand this at a fundamental level as you use it.

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what sort of gets mixed up.

0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.919
<v Speaker 3>It's so easy for people to think about AI as

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:35.240
<v Speaker 3>like hyper aware computer brains that are learning things, and

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 3>it is just spitting back out at us things that

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 3>we do and know and the biases that we have,

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, just understand it that way.

0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's the same as I mean, the analytical

0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:51.840
<v Speaker 2>machine I'm sure seemed like magic, you know. And so

0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Lovelace was sitting there being like it's not magic. It's

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 2>a machine, and it's I think she'd be doing the

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>exact same thing right now if she was alive, you know,

0:59:01.040 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I think she'd probably be pushing AI and being like,

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't create things, and it's annoying because AI, to

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:10.760
<v Speaker 2>me is like a perfect example of this. Like the

0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 2>reason it seems bad is there's a lot of reasons,

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's because of the economic system we live in,

0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 2>because of the systems of control that we live under,

0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know. In the nineteen eighties, the

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>US Department of Defense named its programming language Ada. Apparently

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 2>it's still sometimes used, but apparently wasn't a particularly successful

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 2>programming language. I mean, that's this stuff gets beyond me.

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know as much about all of this. In

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two, people built a difference engine based

0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 2>on Babbage's notes, and only a single correction was necessary

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to make it work. No one has yet built his

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 2>analytical engine, so no one knows if it works. And

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 2>that's Ada Lovelace, child of Vampire who invented programming.

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you would have told me that when we

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 3>started this conversation, you were going to start with VAMPI

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 3>and effectively loop back around to computers.

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have believed you, but kill Joy, you've done

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it again. Hell yeah, I spend so much money on

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 2>red yarn. Yeah.

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:18.200
<v Speaker 3>Your your house supposed to be like connections between things

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.360
<v Speaker 3>that seem someone's gonna come into your house one day

1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 3>and be like.

1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Is she Oka? Like what's going on with Margaret? It

1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:27.080
<v Speaker 2>happens already, but that's mostly because of my decor. A

1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:28.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of it is very medieval?

1:00:29.520 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Aren't you so glad? I really your statement about I'm

1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 1>really glad this wasn't created during this time. I think

1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.600
<v Speaker 1>about that so often. I'm like, what if like a

1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker like Oswald Mosley had like an algorithm computer?

1:00:43.880 --> 1:00:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Like ah yeah, like it's such a it makes me

1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:55.000
<v Speaker 2>so sad. I want us to just It's like Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk makes Mars seem not cool? How hard do you

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<v Speaker 2>have to work to make Mars seem not cool? Space

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<v Speaker 2>is cool, and the reason it's sketchy is because of

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<v Speaker 2>governments and stuff. But now it's even sketchier because no

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<v Speaker 2>people who are terrible want to go. And how do

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<v Speaker 2>you make.

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<v Speaker 1>Outer space seem Lamelan.

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<v Speaker 2>Musk involved, that's all you gotta do invented a cyberpunk

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<v Speaker 2>looking truck and made it the worst thing that's ever

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<v Speaker 2>happened to a car. Have you'll ever seen one in

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<v Speaker 2>the wild? Yes, dude, I did. I saw one. I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first time one comes into West Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>all the rest of us in regular pickups are going

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<v Speaker 2>to run it off.

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<v Speaker 3>The road will descend on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I saw one like two weeks ago. Be I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did? It was? What were your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, ah, I'm programmed to

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<v Speaker 1>hate this, Like, why is it shaped that way?

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening? I grew up, I grew up on

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<v Speaker 2>I were punk and like, so the only time I

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<v Speaker 2>saw one that looked right was someone had graffitied one,

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<v Speaker 2>okay on. I was like, oh, now it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>it belongs in the cyberpunk dystopia. I was promised. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>instead it's like can't drive through a mud puddle. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The only time I see them, it's not doing something

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<v Speaker 3>cool and cyberpunky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like valeting, yeah, or like getting.

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<v Speaker 3>Rusted because it rained something something decidedly not cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow. If people want to know more about the

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<v Speaker 2>culture of the Internet and the ways in which it

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<v Speaker 2>has both interesting and bad things. Is there anywhere that

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<v Speaker 2>they can do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I would turn them to my podcast. There are

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<v Speaker 3>no girls on the Internet. Also, great transition, Margaret, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, thank you, snaps for Magpie. It's my job's security

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<v Speaker 2>staying on top of this. Yeah, people should check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to check out more of my stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I write a substack I post every week. Half of

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<v Speaker 2>the posts are free to everyone and are like more

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<v Speaker 2>political and theoretical or historical or whatever and like on

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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of subjects. The other half are more personal.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want to know more about my personal life,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pay me. And I feel fine about that,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what I have to plug. Sophie, you got

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<v Speaker 2>anything tak Any new podcasts from cool Zone Media people

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<v Speaker 2>could check out?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you want one that's already out, check out

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<v Speaker 1>Exitron's podcast Better Offline. It is a weekly tech podcast

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<v Speaker 1>part of the cool Zone Media network and launching in May.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a new weekly show called sixteenth Minute of

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<v Speaker 1>Fame hosted by Jamie Loftus, So look out for that

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<v Speaker 1>one in early May.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, go forth and listen to podcasts, and

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<v Speaker 2>then listen to this one next Monday because we'll be back. Bye,

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