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Speaker 2: All right, guys, welcome back, Earn your Lisia. This is
Speaker 2: This is a different episode for us, but we tell stories.
Speaker 2: The thing we're unleashes that we do a lot of
Speaker 2: different stuff. Sometimes we do like blueprints on businesses. Sometimes
Speaker 2: we highlight a person's journey. Sometimes we tell stories. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Kenny Burns legendary. Yeah, that's another one. That's
Speaker 2: the fact. So this story is it's a financial story,
Speaker 2: but it also deals with the criminal justice system. It
Speaker 2: deals with all kinds of biases inside of that, it
Speaker 2: deals with the financial crisis of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: It's a whole bunch of a lot of stuff. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. So yeah, you know, I'm excited
Speaker 2: to have this conversation. And this is something that I
Speaker 2: think is going to be extremely informative, educational, and I
Speaker 2: think captivating.
Speaker 3: It might be the word. I'm being honest, and I
Speaker 3: told you this beforehand, but I didn't tell you our guest, uh,
Speaker 3: my parents, you know, they in their sixties, late sixties,
Speaker 3: early seventies, and they just figured out how to use YouTube.
Speaker 3: And once they got on, this young lady that we're
Speaker 3: gonna talk to in a second was on their YouTube
Speaker 3: channel and they watched your story and we're blown away.
Speaker 3: Like they were like, Troy, come downstairs right now, you
Speaker 3: gotta watch this. And we sat down and watched your
Speaker 3: story and just what blown away. So when I told him, like, hey,
Speaker 3: guess we're about to have one on your Leisure. She
Speaker 3: was like, are you serious? So this is gonna be
Speaker 3: my mom's favorite episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So Jamiller T. Davis. You might have
Speaker 2: seen her on Love and Hip Hop. You might have
Speaker 2: seen I think then if you're referring to as a
Speaker 2: breakfast club interview. She's a published author, she's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: She has a program in school, who was just talking
Speaker 2: about now where she's going into school teaching financial literacy
Speaker 2: along with a bunch of other programs. But before that,
Speaker 2: she was incarcerated for nine years. And before that she
Speaker 2: was very big in the credit industry, real estate industry,
Speaker 2: worked with a lot of rappers and Celebritanies. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so the story is, it's a it's a very, like
Speaker 2: you said, captivating story. It involves the government, the former
Speaker 2: governor of New Jersey, Chris Christy. It involves Leaming Brothers,
Speaker 2: which is the most one of the most infamous banks
Speaker 2: on Wall Street that collapsed during in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: And it involves credit real estate, it involves mansions, all
Speaker 2: of that, all of that, so we're gonna get to it,
Speaker 2: but first and foremost, thank you for joining us. We
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: For having no no problem, no problem. So so yes,
Speaker 2: let's let's get into it. So people that might not
Speaker 2: be familiar with your story, they like they said, they
Speaker 2: might have seen you on TV, or they might not have.
Speaker 2: You know, I learned about your story recently and I
Speaker 2: was really intrigued by it. So it's a financial story.
Speaker 2: Can you start us off at the beginning of where
Speaker 2: it starts?
Speaker 5: Okay, the beginning of where it started for me was
Speaker 5: really getting dumped at the age of fourteen, right by
Speaker 5: a sixteen year old drug dealer. So I was like
Speaker 5: a good girl kind of that went bad. My mom
Speaker 5: was a school teacher, my father was a transit supervisor, and.
Speaker 4: I wanted a boyfriend and I got one right.
Speaker 5: So, my first week of going to high school performing
Speaker 5: artson Manhattan, I met this drug dealer boyfriend who now
Speaker 5: I grew up late eighties, early nineties, so you already
Speaker 5: know that was like the beginning of.
Speaker 4: The crack cocaine epidemic. Money was hitting.
Speaker 5: My dude was making like ten thousand dollars a week
Speaker 5: at sixteen, so I was living this life and you know,
Speaker 5: thinking I was a cool kid, and he ended up
Speaker 5: dumping me for the girl that was sixteen years old
Speaker 5: who made her own money, and he said that he
Speaker 5: was choosing her over me because she was an independent
Speaker 5: chick that made her own money. And really, truthfully, the
Speaker 5: pain that I felt inside is like an undescribable feeling
Speaker 5: because as a fourteen year old girl already delving in
Speaker 5: things I wasn't supposed to get involved with, to get
Speaker 5: the heartbreak after I thought we would live happily ever
Speaker 5: after like my parents was heartbreaking. So what it did
Speaker 5: was it drive me to be an independent woman to
Speaker 5: get my own money because I wanted to show.
Speaker 4: Him what he messed up on.
Speaker 5: So it created this drive in me that was like
Speaker 5: nobody's business. Literally, in high school, I had went to
Speaker 5: school full time and had a full time job at
Speaker 5: Hagendos right, And it went from that to following my
Speaker 5: boyfriend's lifestyle getting into hustling, and then it went from
Speaker 5: hustling into getting into the credit business, and then I
Speaker 5: made millions of dollars.
Speaker 4: So by the time I turned twenty.
Speaker 5: Five years old, I was a real estate investor, making
Speaker 5: all kinds of boohoos of money and again chasing that
Speaker 5: thing that was missing aside that never got healed.
Speaker 4: As a fourteen year old.
Speaker 3: So when you talk about the credit business, what were
Speaker 3: we doing credit repair?
Speaker 4: Yes, and so I'm an early burden it. So like
Speaker 4: when I say people now, I laugh.
Speaker 5: Ninety nine two thousand, I was taking people from four
Speaker 5: hundred fighter score to eight hundred overnight. But the thing
Speaker 5: about now is we have information. Then there wasn't really information.
Speaker 4: It was the hookup.
Speaker 5: So I had someone in the credit bureaus that could
Speaker 5: actually you know, we paid them.
Speaker 4: A couple of dollars and they made it happen.
Speaker 5: And that's how I caught my first federal case because
Speaker 5: you know, we got jammed up by putting people through
Speaker 5: the credit system that we created.
Speaker 2: So how did you get turned onto this? Because it's
Speaker 2: like all right, like you said, growing up in the
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties, the obvious thing to do if
Speaker 2: you want to, you know, at illegal activities, sell drugs, robbery,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. At that time, especially white collar crimes
Speaker 2: for people from the neighborhood of young people like who, like,
Speaker 2: how did you get like what made you say, like, yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Story is gonna make you laugh. First of all, I
Speaker 4: wanted a Lexis GS three hundred, and there was this
Speaker 4: lot on Boulevard, like if you had a couple of
Speaker 4: pay stubbs, and I had a good little bank job. Ironically,
Speaker 4: I used to work at the bank, so I had
Speaker 4: a good little bank job at my pay stubs.
Speaker 5: I went to the Russians, gave them my pay stubs,
Speaker 5: and they got me my Lexus GS three.
Speaker 2: Hundred, good car car.
Speaker 5: Tom, you know only IRV, Gotti and JYZ had j
Speaker 5: pushing through and the GS three hundred. Everybody like, yo,
Speaker 5: that's your dual car. Like, nah, this is my car.
Speaker 5: So it went from that and people was like, well,
Speaker 5: how did you get it? I want to get one too.
Speaker 5: So I started helping people get cars, and I learned
Speaker 5: that I could make more money doing that than working
Speaker 5: at my nine to five job. So I stumbled on
Speaker 5: becoming an entrepreneur right and then I got into the
Speaker 5: credit game, helping people to purchase cars and houses and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. I went from cars to houses, and
Speaker 5: I wanted to help my people get their portion of
Speaker 5: the American dream.
Speaker 3: So you're introducing people to the credit, I'm assuming the
Speaker 3: derogatories and late payments. We're wiping these out.
Speaker 4: Listen, we wipe out.
Speaker 5: The system is not even you know, people would die
Speaker 5: for the system today because it's not like you writing
Speaker 5: a letter.
Speaker 4: It's not like you wishing or praying or waiting.
Speaker 5: It's like, hey, yo, take that off, all right, we
Speaker 5: got that when that one next day you wipe clean.
Speaker 5: And then what we did as well, we added trade
Speaker 5: lines on. So like, trade lines is not new, this
Speaker 5: is all old stuff. So back in ninety nine two thousand,
Speaker 5: we was adding trade lines onto people's credit. So we
Speaker 5: would take people with blank credit and then make them
Speaker 5: have an eight hundred score overnight because we understood the system.
Speaker 2: So all right, so at what point do you get
Speaker 2: into real estate?
Speaker 5: So ironically, like I grew up in real estate because
Speaker 5: my parents, who migrated from North Carolina, they used real
Speaker 5: estate as a way to overcome party. So my father
Speaker 5: had several multi family buildings in Brooklyn, and I.
Speaker 4: Watched him have his tenants pay off his mortgage.
Speaker 5: So seeing that as a young girl, I was always
Speaker 5: intrigued by it, and I knew that it was the answer.
Speaker 5: So I went to school. I actually got my real
Speaker 5: estate broker's license back in nineteen ninety eight, and I
Speaker 5: started selling houses in.
Speaker 2: My neighborhood in Queens, Yes, so all right, so you're
Speaker 2: selling houses and queens. Is this during the time that
Speaker 2: you you got the credit thing going, Yes.
Speaker 4: So I'm hustling multiple streams of income. Then understand that
Speaker 4: at the time, but yeah, I was doing that.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, So the person comes in, they're looking for
Speaker 3: the home. The credit is bad, Like, yo, don't worry,
Speaker 3: I can take care of that. We're gonna get you
Speaker 3: this home tome, that's right.
Speaker 5: And I really had a lot of like rappers and
Speaker 5: stuff that were my clients. I grew up around the
Speaker 5: corner from DJ Clue, Me and joh Rul went to
Speaker 5: school together. So it's like I got and then E
Speaker 5: money bags peace, Yes, my big homie. So like he
Speaker 5: put me on the Oconelly Oconnelly put me on the
Speaker 5: jay Z and Dame and then the story just went
Speaker 5: on from there. So all of these people have fresh new.
Speaker 4: Money, right, so they had cash, but they didn't.
Speaker 5: Have credit, so they couldn't really obtain the things that
Speaker 5: they wanted. So I became to go to with a
Speaker 5: plug like, Okay, you want to get in this apartment complex.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna get approved, no problem. Let me get
Speaker 4: that bread I got you. You feel me. Then it
Speaker 4: went from getting.
Speaker 5: Them into apartments to like, listen, let's go by these mansions.
Speaker 5: And I actually got introduced to Alpine, New Jersey. Like
Speaker 5: and if anybody knows anything about Alpine and south of
Speaker 5: the river, these are like the states, right, So these
Speaker 5: are our houses that are mansions.
Speaker 4: On two, three, four or five acres.
Speaker 5: Of land with swimming pools and tennis courts and all
Speaker 5: that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Actually, bigs jay z partner introduced me to Alpine.
Speaker 5: And when I seen the castles out there, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, how do I get into this game?
Speaker 4: I want to get.
Speaker 5: Into these kind of houses. And I figured it out
Speaker 5: and it was on and popping from there. So I
Speaker 5: started bringing like way before did he move there? Way
Speaker 5: before Mary moved there? You know, we was in Ourpine
Speaker 5: and we started bringing in different celebrities to live in
Speaker 5: these areas.
Speaker 4: Oh, don't do that to the we gave the neighborhood,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just yeah out the bigs man we've we
Speaker 3: met on a few time. Were gonna get him on
Speaker 3: any leigure soon enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Alpine, New Jersey, all right, So you start
Speaker 2: to buy houses in Alpine New Jersey. Are you buying
Speaker 2: it for yourself? Are you helping other people? Like you're
Speaker 2: like a real estate agent at this point.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm still a broker, but I've also investor, so
Speaker 5: I was kind.
Speaker 4: Of like a business manager.
Speaker 5: So actually, one of my clients, Akonelli, came to me
Speaker 5: and he wanted to purchase a property in Creskill, which
Speaker 5: is the town outside of Alpine. And the house that
Speaker 5: he wanted to buy, he was able to secure it
Speaker 5: for one point one million dollars, but when I sent
Speaker 5: my appraisals out, I realized that it came in for
Speaker 5: two point two So I'm like, yo, this property got
Speaker 5: like a million dollars worth of equity.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: What happens is rich people don't want to fix up property.
Speaker 5: So if something had repairs that need to be done,
Speaker 5: they don't want that house. They want to move in,
Speaker 5: everything done, everything the way that they wanted to be.
Speaker 4: So I noticed that there.
Speaker 5: Was a lot of houses on the market that we
Speaker 5: could actually obtain that would appraise Because if you know
Speaker 5: anything about appraisals, it's about really square footage, right, So
Speaker 5: if you have a house that's the same square footage
Speaker 5: as a house across the street. You might take two
Speaker 5: three hundred thousand off the value if you know it
Speaker 5: has elabrary repairs, but they would be worth the same
Speaker 5: amount when you're do an appraisal.
Speaker 4: So when I noticed that, I'm like, whoa, you know,
Speaker 4: the bell started going on.
Speaker 5: If I get a couple of these, I could flip
Speaker 5: them to my celebrity clients and make a bunch of money.
Speaker 4: And that's how I kind of got in the game.
Speaker 5: My partner, he was actually in East Orange and Newark
Speaker 5: flipping houses back then, killing the game back then, and
Speaker 5: we kind of joined forces together and I'm like, can
Speaker 5: we take the same formula that you're doing in the
Speaker 5: hood and let's bring that over to the rich people's
Speaker 5: area and we could bang And we did that, and
Speaker 5: the rich people were like a maze because we was
Speaker 5: coming in renovating houses that they would have knocked down,
Speaker 5: and we was able to increase the equity pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: By doing it.
Speaker 2: So you were buying distressed properties in rich neighborhoods and
Speaker 2: fixing them up. Same concept that you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to Caesar and Lord of the slums and envying all
Speaker 2: of them. That's what things in Patterson, New Jersey. It's
Speaker 2: very popular, like you said, in poorer neighborhoods on middle
Speaker 2: class neighborhoods, but you took that same strategy and applied
Speaker 2: it to wealthy neighborhoods because it always there's always one
Speaker 2: bad house in a good neighborhood.
Speaker 4: You could the thing about real.
Speaker 5: Estate, and my father taught me that it just continues
Speaker 5: to keep going and going and going.
Speaker 4: It's just about when people are enlightened. Right.
Speaker 5: So for instance, I bought my father helped me purchase
Speaker 5: my first property in Brooklyn, and I got it for
Speaker 5: two hundred thousand dollars on Coprad Street in Bushwick, right.
Speaker 5: And I saw that property maybe two years later for
Speaker 5: like four hundred and I thought I did something like, yes,
Speaker 5: you know, I got a home run. Guess what that
Speaker 5: property is worth today, like one point seven one point
Speaker 5: eight million if I would have held.
Speaker 4: Onto it, right.
Speaker 5: So real estate is always evolving. It's just about when
Speaker 5: you get in the game. And when you get in early,
Speaker 5: you know, you make out better because it continues to
Speaker 5: go up.
Speaker 4: So it's about when you get in.
Speaker 5: So really the market is kind of similar, you know
Speaker 5: now to what it was back then. In regards to opportunities.
Speaker 3: So at the time, right, you're buying the distressed properties
Speaker 3: in these affluent neighborhoods. How many properties did you accumulate? Like,
Speaker 3: what's the portfolio looking like?
Speaker 5: I had nine multimillion dollar houses that totaled about thirty
Speaker 5: million dollars.
Speaker 3: Big ms.
Speaker 2: So all right, because you said that you have.
Speaker 5: A strategy, So now look at what my strategy is.
Speaker 5: And one of I know, Big Business was on here too.
Speaker 5: He kind of uses the same strategy.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: The strategy is, if you want to increase the value
Speaker 5: of a neighborhood, you buy everything up in that neighborhood
Speaker 5: in that price range, so you control the market. Right,
Speaker 5: So my game plan was going buy everything in that's
Speaker 5: that's low, so there's nothing low available, so if people
Speaker 5: want to come into this neighborhood.
Speaker 4: They gotta buy hot. Right.
Speaker 5: So my plan was working into the Feds knocking on
Speaker 5: my door because basically we would have controlled the market
Speaker 5: and you couldn't get in because we own everything that
Speaker 5: was in that particular balloy.
Speaker 2: How many homes did did you have? And no, that
Speaker 2: was not nine nine you had nine homes in that area.
Speaker 4: We brought up all the properties that were in like
Speaker 4: the two million.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what big that's what another thing Big Business
Speaker 2: said shot out to him when he was on the podcast.
Speaker 2: He said that, and on his thing is that it
Speaker 2: only takes one home to set the comp and so
Speaker 2: but when you buy.
Speaker 5: Up the market like you, you're guaranteeing that you did,
Speaker 5: there is no it's gonna be no other comps that's
Speaker 5: coming in for lower.
Speaker 3: You are the comps, I said, you are the comps.
Speaker 5: Yes, you are the comps, because if you only have
Speaker 5: one comp then a bank could kind of diffuted because
Speaker 5: you know that they go based on three appraisals. They
Speaker 5: don't go based on one cop. They do the average
Speaker 5: of three appraisals, right, like the average of three houses.
Speaker 4: Right, so you want to make sure that ain't no
Speaker 4: three houses.
Speaker 5: They're gonna be able to find that that that that's lower.
Speaker 2: So all right, So what was the illegal part of
Speaker 2: this situation?
Speaker 4: How I acquired the houses? So I took a shortcut.
Speaker 5: I found a mortgage broker, which now people are realizing
Speaker 5: that's the best way to purchase because when you get
Speaker 5: a mortgage broker, they're gonna know about all the banks
Speaker 5: and all the programs that you qualify for, so you
Speaker 5: won't just be applying a miss right. So I had
Speaker 5: a seasoned mortgage broker who had contacts inside a Lehman
Speaker 5: Brothers bank, right, So they were getting things pushed through.
Speaker 5: So at the time Lehman didn't care. Leman just wanted
Speaker 5: to get the sale. And what happens is and at
Speaker 5: that time the bank would actually sell.
Speaker 4: Your paper on the market.
Speaker 5: So before you close a deal, they already sold and
Speaker 5: got you know, ten times whatever the number.
Speaker 2: Is, by more more mortgage mortgage backed securities, mortgage backed securities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So they pushed through everything and they would
Speaker 5: tell us what the fix, Oh, you messed up on
Speaker 5: this W two, this should be this number. You messed
Speaker 5: up on these bank statements. So we was giving them
Speaker 5: inflated paperwork.
Speaker 4: So that was my crime.
Speaker 5: My crime was I have real people, real credit scores,
Speaker 5: but I was giving them inflated papers.
Speaker 2: Stated stated like stated, but stated income was was was
Speaker 2: was legal stated, but you was just kind of fudging
Speaker 2: the numbers a little bit more to.
Speaker 4: Stated income program.
Speaker 5: So I purchased these properties in two thousand and two,
Speaker 5: two thousand and three.
Speaker 4: Stated wasn't that popular?
Speaker 5: Stated became popular around two thousand and three and two
Speaker 5: thousand and four.
Speaker 3: So there, Yeah, you're creating the numbers, but they're coaching
Speaker 3: you along the way, like, yo, listen, this is what
Speaker 3: you should have right right, coaching me.
Speaker 5: Like we got red flags all over the place, phone
Speaker 5: numbers not working. They like, yo, change the phone number,
Speaker 5: fix this, do that.
Speaker 4: That is why I had a.
Speaker 5: Problem just sitting back taking it because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 5: y'all was down with everything that, you know. The whole
Speaker 5: point was saying, like, Yo, you gotta pay your mortgage payment. Store,
Speaker 5: nobody wants to collect the foreclosure. They like, look, as
Speaker 5: long as you pay the mortgage payments and do what
Speaker 5: you gotta do, we good.
Speaker 4: And that was pretty much the agreement.
Speaker 2: So so you get you get Joe Schmoe rapper who
Speaker 2: has money to pay the mortgage but doesn't have good credit,
Speaker 2: might not report a lot of income, so can't really
Speaker 2: qualify for this two million dollar home. You fudge the
Speaker 2: paperwork to make it look official. You get them in.
Speaker 2: That's what you did, right pretty much, It's not that bad.
Speaker 3: I mean I seen a lot worse. I mean, shout
Speaker 3: out to our boy. He called it the wild wild West.
Speaker 3: So a lot of things were happening like that. I'm
Speaker 3: and and he says, I mean the stories he's told.
Speaker 3: A lot worse things have happened. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 3: out why.
Speaker 5: The bottom line, I'm y'all say this right, because it
Speaker 5: took me a long time to be able to accept
Speaker 5: the fact that I got a twelve and a half
Speaker 5: year sentence, right because we ain't talk about that right
Speaker 5: for a bank fraud, and the white male mortgage broker
Speaker 5: who I just told you about and the lawyer who
Speaker 5: used their licenses to push all the fraud through. Both
Speaker 5: of those two individuals got two year sentences each. So
Speaker 5: I got six and a half greater time sentence than
Speaker 5: they got.
Speaker 4: So it was hard to swallow.
Speaker 5: Like y'all, I ain't really do much and nothing and
Speaker 5: look at what they got. But then I had to
Speaker 5: realize I took a short cut.
Speaker 4: I cheated, right. So because I cheated and I built this.
Speaker 5: Great, big, beautiful castle full of sand, right when the
Speaker 5: storm came, it was able to ruin my castle, right,
Speaker 5: So it had to make me change my mindset to
Speaker 5: realize shortcuts.
Speaker 4: Really most of the time of the long wrong route.
Speaker 5: So today like I operate differently. I'm not willing because
Speaker 5: I know if we you jammed up, I'll jam up
Speaker 5: as black and brown folks is completely different than they
Speaker 5: jam up. So it really makes sense to take your
Speaker 5: time and build your house on part.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. Let's get back to this
Speaker 2: Lehman Brothers situation, because this is something that's very interesting
Speaker 2: to me people that's not familiar. Lehman Brothers was one
Speaker 2: of the largest investment banks on Wall Street, was around
Speaker 2: four hundred years billion dollar bank, and it went belly
Speaker 2: up during a financial crisis. They made movies about this.
Speaker 2: It was a real big thing. Lemon Brothers was a real,
Speaker 2: extremely big thing. And one of the reasons that they
Speaker 2: went belly up is because mortgage backed securities and they
Speaker 2: had a bunch of mortgages on their books that shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been on their books, and they were doing all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. So how was your how Like I'm
Speaker 2: looking at this from like a drug game perspective. Lehman
Speaker 2: Brothers was like the Cali cartel or like the Medaine cartel.
Speaker 2: Like they was big up on the hill. So how
Speaker 2: you coming off the street? Like, who was you? How
Speaker 2: did you get to connect in Lehman Brothers and like
Speaker 2: how high up? Like how did that work? Can you
Speaker 2: explain to Leman brother situation mortgage?
Speaker 4: It was my mortgage broker.
Speaker 5: So again you know your mortgage broker is gonna be connected.
Speaker 5: My guy was in the game for over fifteen years, right,
Speaker 5: so you know they go from one company to another company,
Speaker 5: they know all the executives.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So my connect, the connect I had, was very high up,
Speaker 5: and he was dealing with high up executives.
Speaker 4: So for instance, it was easier for me to close.
Speaker 5: On three and four million dollar loans then it was
Speaker 5: for me to get a Honda accord.
Speaker 4: Okay, when I was in the car.
Speaker 5: Game, it was literally we produced the paperwork and two
Speaker 5: three days later we closing off four or five million
Speaker 5: dollar houses like this, no questions asked, Right, So people
Speaker 5: think it's like really difficult to get more.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's easier to get more than less.
Speaker 2: So the mortgage broker was the connect to Lean.
Speaker 4: He was the connect. This was his peoples.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, so at what point does this start to
Speaker 2: go back? I sew another interview when you said, like
Speaker 2: you had a lot of like exotic cars and like
Speaker 2: was that a red flag? Like when when they see
Speaker 2: rappers moving in the neighborhood and everybody else that lives
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood is a doctor or you know, a
Speaker 2: CEO of a company and they you know, at what
Speaker 2: point did that become like, Okay, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: I need to call one hundred crime stoppers.
Speaker 4: Like the neighbors.
Speaker 5: Actually were kind of infatuated by us, like we were cool,
Speaker 5: you know, So to think about me is I already
Speaker 5: been ritching my mom. I just needed a couple of
Speaker 5: dollars to go with my mind set. You feel me,
Speaker 5: need a bag?
Speaker 4: I was taking it straight to the top. So we
Speaker 4: had the match in Bentley's.
Speaker 5: You know, we had like my partner had all burgundy cars.
Speaker 5: I had all white cars. At the time, this free
Speaker 5: well spinning Rims was out. We had s free Wells
Speaker 5: on everything. You know, I had the shades on. I
Speaker 5: was going through the neighborhood. Just couldn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 4: You just for me. I made it you feel me,
Speaker 4: And that was like.
Speaker 5: I guess, the ghetto fabulous way of showing people you arrived.
Speaker 5: But I did it for a couple of reasons. Now
Speaker 5: I'm also a business woman.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, I know our
Speaker 5: people are attracted to flashy things. Right, So if I
Speaker 5: pull up and I'm talking that big talking, I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get a big sell.
Speaker 4: But my you know what I'm saying, my costume and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call it the costume. Right. Yeah, if to
Speaker 4: pull up costume meaning to.
Speaker 5: Watch you, you got on you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: the car you riding in and you're getting tight, they're
Speaker 5: not trying.
Speaker 4: To talk to you.
Speaker 5: So I have was flashy purposely because that flash attracted
Speaker 5: the ball players, it attracted the rapters, it attracted the celebrities,
Speaker 5: and people wanted to know who I was and they
Speaker 5: wanted to talk to me. And by me having those conversations,
Speaker 5: once I got through the door, I would pull them
Speaker 5: all in.
Speaker 4: And that was all she did.
Speaker 3: At what point did you start to feel the walls
Speaker 3: closed in or did it happen like all of a
Speaker 3: sudden it was like, damn, you got this. It was
Speaker 3: like they just knocked at your door and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, this is over.
Speaker 5: There were no warnings, right, Nobody told me, like, nobody
Speaker 5: prepared me for this part of the game.
Speaker 4: Right, because in my head. I finally arrived.
Speaker 5: So now I'm associating with the ball players and their wives.
Speaker 5: I became a little bit boogie.
Speaker 4: I changed, you know, my little tone, you know, moving
Speaker 4: a long life. My kids are enrolled and all the schools.
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking that the f boys is coming to
Speaker 4: the door.
Speaker 5: You feel me, So one day they and I'll never
Speaker 5: forget it. It was April the third, two thousand and three.
Speaker 5: There was a fraud alert issue. So this FBI agent
Speaker 5: had a fraud alert issue throughout the financial service industry
Speaker 5: that blasted out that the following people are underneath federal investigation.
Speaker 5: If you get any loans from these people, you see them,
Speaker 5: do any business, contact my office immediately.
Speaker 4: That was the end of my whole life as I
Speaker 4: knew it.
Speaker 2: In real estate, and you were on the list. You
Speaker 2: were on that list. You were on that list.
Speaker 3: Somebody So wait, somebody called in.
Speaker 2: No, the FBI, So they was kid, They were just on.
Speaker 2: They were just on to you the whole time.
Speaker 4: No, they really.
Speaker 5: Wasn't on to us. The mortgage broker and this is
Speaker 5: the stuff that really makes me sick. So the mortgage
Speaker 5: broker that got the two years he was doing all
Speaker 5: kinds of frivolous stuff that I didn't know about.
Speaker 4: Right, So he was being.
Speaker 5: Investigated for some other frauds that he was doing. So
Speaker 5: when they stumbled upon him, right and I guess they
Speaker 5: caught us on the wyat taps and started seeing a lifestyle,
Speaker 5: it attracted. It kind of merged our worlds don't want
Speaker 5: to investigate us, but here goes to deal.
Speaker 4: When we first got.
Speaker 5: Under investigation, they thought I was a drug dealer.
Speaker 4: They didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 5: They just seen the cars all the crazy and they
Speaker 5: felt like it was something wrong.
Speaker 4: So they was fishing at first.
Speaker 5: The investigation started with them just trying to see exactly
Speaker 5: what I was into, who I was dealing with, Because
Speaker 5: now remind you, I went from the street hustlers, So
Speaker 5: I started with helping street hustlers get cars. So all
Speaker 5: of the names that ring bells in the street, I
Speaker 5: was the person that they went to to get their cars.
Speaker 5: I went from street hustlers to celebrities to ballplayers, so
Speaker 5: I had those realm of people around me at any
Speaker 5: given time.
Speaker 4: So when they seeing me, they like, is she a
Speaker 4: drug dealer? Is she you know? Is she really with
Speaker 4: a ball? Like who is she. So I think that
Speaker 4: they saw me, they saw my lifestyle.
Speaker 5: I had maybox, I had drivers, I had houses on
Speaker 5: the hill, and I was.
Speaker 4: Mind you, twenty five years old.
Speaker 5: So they looking at me and they know it's something
Speaker 5: that is not right, but they didn't know exactly what
Speaker 5: was going on.
Speaker 4: And as they did their investigation.
Speaker 5: And let me be caring, guys, anytime you're under federal investigation,
Speaker 5: I don't really care if you're not doing anything wrong,
Speaker 5: they're gonna find something.
Speaker 4: Whether it be one wrong check on the tax box.
Speaker 5: Like when they look and they keep digging and digging
Speaker 5: and fishing, if there's anything wrong, they're gonna find.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like they freezing the accounts everything, what's happening during
Speaker 3: that time?
Speaker 5: So at that was first and then I woke up
Speaker 5: maybe two weeks later and all my money was frozen.
Speaker 5: So it was just, you know, I thought I would
Speaker 5: be able to get past this, even with the FBI
Speaker 5: fraud alert. I hired an attorney, gave him one hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars retainer. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: my bread on you and you're gonna leave me alone.
Speaker 5: But that's not the case. Like once you get these
Speaker 5: f boys. It's not like the state, Like these dudes
Speaker 5: come with an insatiable appetite.
Speaker 4: You feel me so like.
Speaker 5: Despite the money that I threw after kind of like
Speaker 5: trying to get it all fixed, and despite the fact.
Speaker 5: Now let's talk about the fact I had twenty eight
Speaker 5: million dollars worth of loans that needed to be fixed,
Speaker 5: right like, meaning that had to be paid off. I
Speaker 5: got the money to the US Attorney's office twice, and
Speaker 5: the FED shut it down because what happens in the
Speaker 5: FEDS is if there's no loss, there's no time, right
Speaker 5: So you can only do time when it comes to
Speaker 5: white collar crimes based on the amount of loss. So
Speaker 5: they strategically wanted me to have a big loss so
Speaker 5: that I could do big time.
Speaker 2: So you said that you got the money to them twice,
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: That means I had other investors, So let's talk about it.
Speaker 5: I purchased these properties in two thousand and two, before
Speaker 5: the biggest real estate booster in recent history or boom
Speaker 5: in recent history, for seventeen million. I put another three
Speaker 5: million dollars in the properties to renovate them, so I
Speaker 5: was in them for twenty million. Now mind you, I
Speaker 5: got you know, short sales. I got people that were
Speaker 5: divorced off fire sale homes, right, so really negotiated them right.
Speaker 5: And then the real estate boom happened. So my properties
Speaker 5: were worth over thirty million in less than.
Speaker 4: A couple of years.
Speaker 5: Right, So I had investors, right because my investigation didn't
Speaker 5: start happening in two two thousand and three. So I
Speaker 5: had investors at that time who were willing to purchase
Speaker 5: the properties from me and still make a profit, right,
Speaker 5: And that would have cleared the debt. And guess what
Speaker 5: I would have been scott free. I would have never
Speaker 5: did a day in prison because no laws, no lass.
Speaker 2: Who like investors like in the music business, investors.
Speaker 5: Like I got savvy in real estate, right, so you know,
Speaker 5: I started finding hard money lenders.
Speaker 4: People who were you know, real investors.
Speaker 5: So like when you start moving in them realms and
Speaker 5: you start having access to those type of properties and things,
Speaker 5: you start meeting a different kind of people. So I
Speaker 5: started meeting investment bankers with private investment groups I brought in.
Speaker 4: I had hard money lenders.
Speaker 5: I had all kinds of folks who were willing to,
Speaker 5: you know, basically bail me out.
Speaker 4: And crazy wouldn't let it happen.
Speaker 3: The craziest part about the story, this is like a
Speaker 3: legendary story, is like I didn't know what a hard
Speaker 3: money lend it was till last year. And you've been
Speaker 3: doing this for fifteen twenty years already. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So s all right. So you have these properties you
Speaker 2: brought for seventeen million, put three twenty, but then it
Speaker 2: just sticky rockets because the real estate market goes crazy.
Speaker 2: Then the twenty million dollars the properties turns like thirty
Speaker 2: eight million in property value. So the investors was gonna
Speaker 2: come with twenty something million to pay off the loans
Speaker 2: that you have outstanding on the properties. But they're gonna
Speaker 2: pay twenty five million, let's say, for almost forty million
Speaker 2: dollars in real estate. So they're still going to make
Speaker 2: a profit on it. But the government would and let
Speaker 2: them pay for the properties.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what. Let's talk about it, talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Christie. So let's before you even
Speaker 2: say that. So Chris Christy, for people that might not
Speaker 2: know who he is, Chris Christie was the former governor
Speaker 2: of New Jersey. He also ran for president and he
Speaker 2: was also thought he was going to be the vice president.
Speaker 2: I think he thought he was going to be Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's vice president. No, no, no, district.
Speaker 3: Yeah, first secretary of state or something.
Speaker 2: What's what's the top lawyer in the country call the
Speaker 2: defense attorney. No, it's the top it's the top lawyer. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he thought he was going to get that position. But
Speaker 2: Chris Christie, he's the very high ranking Republican for a
Speaker 2: long period of time. But before all of that, he
Speaker 2: was a prosecutor in the state of New Jersey. So
Speaker 2: all right, so talk about all right.
Speaker 4: Day when I got the twelve and a half years
Speaker 4: and they got the two, he said justice has been
Speaker 4: served in America. That Chris Christie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, So Chris Christie, so how does
Speaker 2: he come into play in this whole saga?
Speaker 4: So he's my us attorney.
Speaker 5: And what I didn't know, Man, I got caught in
Speaker 5: the the.
Speaker 4: Good Boy's Club battle.
Speaker 5: So the attorney that I'm giving one hundred thousand dollars too, Right,
Speaker 5: nobody's explaining to me, like all of these people as friends, right,
Speaker 5: So these are they in the good Boy's Club?
Speaker 2: Your lawyer and the district lawyer, My lawyer.
Speaker 5: The people I'm hiring to defend me, they down with
Speaker 5: the mix. Usually it's supposed to work out for you
Speaker 5: because they can negotiate.
Speaker 4: A good deal.
Speaker 5: But in my instance, when they saw the equity and
Speaker 5: the properties, they.
Speaker 4: Turned against me. So now watched it. I told you
Speaker 4: what the properties will work.
Speaker 5: I told you I paid seventeen put in three, so
Speaker 5: I was in them for twenty right. And I told
Speaker 5: you because of the rise they were worth at least
Speaker 5: thirty five, could have been tipping more right, could have
Speaker 5: been closer to the forty end. Guess what they allowed
Speaker 5: The US Attorney's Office allowed Lehman Brothers attorneys to do
Speaker 5: to sell the properties to a subsidiary of themselves to
Speaker 5: take them back forcibly so they're not in foreclosure.
Speaker 4: The properties never went through foreclosure.
Speaker 5: Right the help of the US Attorney, they got the
Speaker 5: properties back, sold the properties to a subsidiary of themselves
Speaker 5: for one dollar right, and then offered them for a
Speaker 5: twelve million dollar discount.
Speaker 3: Right, So basically all nine properties for a dollar.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: They ended up getting the properties for like thirteen million
Speaker 5: dollars or something like that.
Speaker 4: Wow, And then within day they sold.
Speaker 5: Them to all their friends and made millions of dollars.
Speaker 5: Why didn't jail time for the difference?
Speaker 2: So, because I was going to ask you about refying
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Speaker 2: if you have a property, you own the house, and
Speaker 2: they say that you got it illegally, Like, how does
Speaker 2: that work? They could just take it away it just
Speaker 2: take it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: Now, one of the twists to this that I definitely
Speaker 5: need to say that I did that was illegal was
Speaker 5: we had what you call ernerds.
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Speaker 4: Right, So, a straw.
Speaker 5: Buyer is a person who's not really going to be
Speaker 5: have a vested interest in the property, but you paid
Speaker 5: them for their credit and you paid them for the
Speaker 5: credentials to get the property. Right, So the FED is
Speaker 5: put the pressure on those individuals right to sign the
Speaker 5: property back over to the bank that's how they got
Speaker 5: it done without a foreclosure.
Speaker 3: Oh so to they say, you throw some money to
Speaker 3: the straw buyers and like, listen, we're gonna take this
Speaker 3: wen they're gonna wresh you or like you're on the
Speaker 3: jail if okay, okay, pressure, Like listen, you.
Speaker 4: Know you're gonna go to jail for a very long time.
Speaker 4: And if you don't sign this paper, Oh where do
Speaker 4: I sign? Take it? I justo please. It was one
Speaker 4: of those kind of things.
Speaker 5: So they got the properties back that way, and then
Speaker 5: they wouldn't allow us to bring our investors in, they
Speaker 5: wouldn't allow themselves to be whole. They sold them to
Speaker 5: their friends and within days. So it's a crime within
Speaker 5: the crime. So this is a lot of times people
Speaker 5: don't see this. It's even when they sees money and
Speaker 5: things from drug dealers before it ever gets to an
Speaker 5: auction block that the general people are ever going to see.
Speaker 5: There's a back office deal that goes down somewhere where
Speaker 5: somebody's getting stuff that they don't really are not entitled to,
Speaker 5: are not so roles to have.
Speaker 4: And that's what happened to me. I was their porn.
Speaker 2: That's like the I read the book, and I saw
Speaker 2: the movie about Rick Ross Free Freeway, Ricky Ross, what's
Speaker 2: the name of the movie. I can't forget. I can
Speaker 2: forget everything right now. But it was this guy that
Speaker 2: he was a whistleblower. He was the original whistleblower on
Speaker 2: the whole situation. And he's told about the government and
Speaker 2: the contrast in Nicaragua and how they was funding the
Speaker 2: drugs and all of that stuff. And so part of
Speaker 2: that story is that how this story came about, So
Speaker 2: how this whole how that whole thing came about, was
Speaker 2: that there was a drug dealer in California, Someway in California,
Speaker 2: and his wife reached out to the reporter saying, like,
Speaker 2: the government's taking our home. Da dada da. So when
Speaker 2: he looked into it, he realized that it was a
Speaker 2: whole play. It was like a hundred homes that the
Speaker 2: government had took from drug dealers. So now he realized
Speaker 2: it was like a whole plot. That's why I actually like,
Speaker 2: is illegal for them to do that. It was a
Speaker 2: whole plot to It was a whole plot and plan.
Speaker 5: And that's why they had to bury me, right because
Speaker 5: I was too outspoken. Had I just let them take
Speaker 5: it and make their money. I really feel like I
Speaker 5: probably would have been good. It would have been like, listen,
Speaker 5: you know, I was the person that was adamant about
Speaker 5: paying it back, adamant about getting the deal closed, because
Speaker 5: I realized what kind of time exposure I had.
Speaker 4: Right So, because they seen me.
Speaker 5: So active, they like, yo, we got to sit her
Speaker 5: down and shut her up because she's going to be
Speaker 5: a pop. So the whole point was, let's make sure
Speaker 5: she gets this twelve and a half year sentus. And
Speaker 5: I feel like my judge was also involved in some
Speaker 5: of that because they all the godson.
Speaker 4: Of the godfathers, like.
Speaker 5: Everybody's connected in this multiple family that I didn't know.
Speaker 5: And I didn't discover that until I went to prison
Speaker 5: and started actually doing.
Speaker 4: Backfinding, and I'm like, y'all, this is scary.
Speaker 5: That's just like y'all y'all homies, and I don't really
Speaker 5: know y'all homies. But then I'm trying to fight against
Speaker 5: y'all y'all really in the back room, gonna be like, listen, this.
Speaker 4: Is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: It's usually a made up mind before you even stepped
Speaker 5: in the courtroom. Because deals happened on the golf course
Speaker 5: or at you know, at the baby's birthday party.
Speaker 3: That's a fact.
Speaker 2: Attorney general, that's the name. That's what I was thinking about.
Speaker 2: That that's the highest you said that, that's the highest
Speaker 2: lawyer in the country. That's what Chris Christy was trying
Speaker 2: to become the attorney general.
Speaker 3: So he got caught up in the scandal. He was
Speaker 3: going to be vice president and they had the Bridgegate scandal,
Speaker 3: and so he's like, yeah, we gotta put you to
Speaker 3: the side a little bit, and they were trying to
Speaker 3: give him that job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said, the judge told you, why didn't
Speaker 2: you stick to Newark or East Orange somebody that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said, why did you know? He congratulated me,
Speaker 5: told me how smart I was and wonderful. So I'm
Speaker 5: thinking he about to like give me a nice light
Speaker 5: sentence to let me go. He said, however, why didn't
Speaker 5: you stick to buying properties in East Orange and Newark?
Speaker 4: In areas where basically where you belong? You know, so
Speaker 4: made it clear that I didn't belong.
Speaker 5: You know, in the good white boys club, like you
Speaker 5: entered into a society that you didn't belong. So, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to pay the price, and the price
Speaker 5: was a twelve and a.
Speaker 4: Half year sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing now he said that, I mean not amazing.
Speaker 3: He was thinking, that's what I'm saying. It's all documented.
Speaker 2: It's like, what does that have to do with anything?
Speaker 2: Like does it make it better if you would have
Speaker 2: done it in East Orange or Newark as opposed to
Speaker 2: where you did it at Like it's still it would
Speaker 2: be a crime no matter way you do it. So
Speaker 2: I don't understand, like the logic behind you should have
Speaker 2: done it in those neighborhoods. So you get twelve twelve
Speaker 2: years in jail, Well, twelve years sentence, nine years in jail,
Speaker 2: you said you that was like more time than anybody
Speaker 2: in the Financial Crier. Come on, yeh by, like Forbes did.
Speaker 5: The article about me, because they're like, yo, how did
Speaker 5: you get Like nobody understood it just didn't.
Speaker 4: Make any sense.
Speaker 5: But now let's talk about the part of what does
Speaker 5: make sense. Right, So it wasn't about what they was
Speaker 5: trying to do to me. It was really about what
Speaker 5: God was trying to do to me. Right, So for me,
Speaker 5: I told you I was that fourteen year little old
Speaker 5: girl who gave her soul to this boy never healed.
Speaker 4: Was using all these material things.
Speaker 5: To hide my insecurities, my self esteem issues, and really
Speaker 5: just was phased with things that don't really count.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't until the judge bang.
Speaker 5: The gavit that I realized if it was my very
Speaker 5: last day on this earth, my maker wouldn't say job
Speaker 5: well done.
Speaker 4: I was helping all kinds of people, but not really
Speaker 4: doing the work that I was creating to do.
Speaker 5: So I really feel like prison for me was the
Speaker 5: place that transformed me. It changed my mindset, and it
Speaker 5: got my mental right. It helped me to see what's
Speaker 5: worth it and what's not a lot of people will
Speaker 5: work all they life to get all these things and
Speaker 5: to do all this stuff to die the next day.
Speaker 4: That's not worth it.
Speaker 5: You know, if you're gonna die, you want to have memories,
Speaker 5: you want to have family support, you want to be
Speaker 5: around loved ones. And truthfully, all those people who I
Speaker 5: thought loved me and who I would have gave my
Speaker 5: life for left me behind. And when I saw that,
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, this is not what I want to do.
Speaker 5: I need to make a shift and I need to
Speaker 5: live life on purpose. What's the thing that I do
Speaker 5: effortlessly that God created me to do. What's that thing
Speaker 5: that's going to be bring glory? What's that thing that's
Speaker 5: going to leave a legacy for.
Speaker 4: My children and my children's children. And I started tapping
Speaker 4: into that mindset which ultimately changed my life and shifted
Speaker 4: me for what I'm living in now.
Speaker 2: So you learn a life that you could write a
Speaker 2: book on. You started off literally with the street hostlers,
Speaker 2: e money bags and the likes you. Then you was rappers.
Speaker 2: Then he was in Jersey with Bentley's and Mansion as
Speaker 2: a bad boy video kid Lehman brother and he was
Speaker 2: part of the whole lemon of this situation. Then Chris Christie,
Speaker 2: is she your prosecutor? Then you go to jail for
Speaker 2: a crazy amount of time, and then in jail you
Speaker 2: happen to be friend one of the greatest artists ever,
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill, Like how does that happen?
Speaker 3: This is a movie, like how my life.
Speaker 4: Is set up? Like you can't make it up. But
Speaker 4: Lauren was sentenced to ninety days for tax evasion and
Speaker 4: when she came in, I was like high up in
Speaker 4: the jail.
Speaker 5: I was the prison clerk, So I had the kind
Speaker 5: of like the highest position you could have as an emmy,
Speaker 5: you know, in regards to movement, because for me, it
Speaker 5: was about power. How am I gonna live good? To
Speaker 5: live good, you're gonna have.
Speaker 4: To have power. So let me get this power real
Speaker 4: good quick so I could live good.
Speaker 5: So the lady that ran the prison at the time,
Speaker 5: she did the intake of Lauren, and she put Lauren
Speaker 5: with me. So Lauren came to me like recommended by
Speaker 5: how like yo mother got you, she gonna take care
Speaker 5: of you.
Speaker 4: And that's what I did.
Speaker 5: So I made sure she was good, and we just
Speaker 5: developed this really tight bond and you know, till this day,
Speaker 5: you know, that's still my girl.
Speaker 3: So that's one of my favorite artists of all time.
Speaker 3: But you also, you know, you and increase your entrepreneurs
Speaker 3: spirit inside of prison, right. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: when they go there, they say that they got to
Speaker 3: get their mindset right and get their mindset and a
Speaker 3: lot of them do. But you took the time to
Speaker 3: start writing. Did you have an aspiration to write before then?
Speaker 4: Or I didn't even know I could write?
Speaker 5: So it was like in that place, I started writing
Speaker 5: and my mother hired me an editor and then I
Speaker 5: started publishing books from behind bars. So I created the
Speaker 5: Voices of Consequences and Enrichment series for incarcerated women, and
Speaker 5: that's a self help series to help incarcerated women heal,
Speaker 5: recognize their potential, and recapture their dreams. So I did
Speaker 5: that as a prisoner, and literally my books was in
Speaker 5: prisons across the world.
Speaker 3: While you're in prison, I said, So I would get
Speaker 3: fan mail from other prisoners like, yo, your book changed
Speaker 3: my life, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: And that gave me hope. That's one of the greatest
Speaker 5: gifts my mother could have gave me, because I realized,
Speaker 5: you know what, if I can have that kind of
Speaker 5: impact inside of prison, baby, when I get out, let
Speaker 5: me tell you what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: So that was my mindset.
Speaker 5: So that kind of you know, boosted my confidence, and
Speaker 5: I started writing. I started a nonprofit organization from bahind bars.
Speaker 5: I got several degrees, I got my associates, my bachelor's,
Speaker 5: my masters, and I started working on my PhD.
Speaker 4: From behind bars, and I started empowering other women. So
Speaker 4: I created a movement.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a I mean, we got people right
Speaker 3: Now that's to figure out how to publish a book.
Speaker 3: How did you manage to do that in prison?
Speaker 4: Reading? Right?
Speaker 5: So Damnpointer that that's a if you're looking at self published,
Speaker 5: that's the best guy.
Speaker 4: I got the damn Pointers a guide to self publishing.
Speaker 4: I read it from front cover to back cover, took out.
Speaker 5: My highlight, I highlighted all the parts, and then I
Speaker 5: kind of instructed my mother on what to do. I'm like,
Speaker 5: all right, Mom, this.
Speaker 4: Is what we gotta do.
Speaker 5: We gotta get an ISBN number, now, we gotta get
Speaker 5: the copy right Like, I followed the book.
Speaker 4: From step by step and I end up publishing my
Speaker 4: first book like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to ask Cash. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you ever heard of him, but he's dope too. He
Speaker 2: came on our podcast and he got a really dope
Speaker 2: course to teach people how to publish as well. So
Speaker 2: one thing about the criminal justice system, because we've had
Speaker 2: a lot of people on our podcasts that have been incarcerated.
Speaker 2: Wall Street Trapper, he's a real big guy on stock market.
Speaker 2: He's huge on the internet right now. Caesar, which is
Speaker 2: dj mv's partner, my son, thanks for facilitating that for us.
Speaker 2: Derek Falcon one of our favorite interviews of all time,
Speaker 2: the long list of entrepreneurs that have been incarcerated, but
Speaker 2: they've all been men. You're the first female that we've
Speaker 2: ever had that's been incarcerated. But the thing about jail
Speaker 2: that people might not understand is that there's different types
Speaker 2: of jails. So there's state penitentiaries. These are like irregular crimes,
Speaker 2: like you rob somebody, stab somebody, you kill somebody, you
Speaker 2: go to the state jail. For the most part, you
Speaker 2: go to state jail. But then a little more or
Speaker 2: like sophisticated crimes off it's like crossing state lines. Like
Speaker 2: big drug cases you go to federal that's defense. White
Speaker 2: colored crawler crimes you go to fess too. So in
Speaker 2: the fedes, there's different types of fedes jails. I've learned,
Speaker 2: So you got, you got. Unfortunately, I have a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, you know, I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people that have been incarcerated. So you know, if you
Speaker 2: do a violent federal crime, there's like high level maximum security.
Speaker 2: But if you do white, white collar crimes that they
Speaker 2: call it, or low level of fence, then you go
Speaker 2: to So I was reading this book, The Wolf of
Speaker 2: Wall streets book, and he was saying, you know, when
Speaker 2: he first got arrested, and he it was like he
Speaker 2: thought he was going to go to jail, like how
Speaker 2: you see you on television where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's bad, Like you know what I'm saying, Like he
Speaker 2: was like scared, and he was like when he got there,
Speaker 2: his his his cellmate was they got from Chichi jong
Speaker 2: and they was playing tennis, and he was like it
Speaker 2: was crazy. So he was like it was actually a
Speaker 2: great networking situation for him. It's like not to glorize it,
Speaker 2: but it was like he was like, yo, it's actually
Speaker 2: like really pretty powerful. And it's like especially like sometimes
Speaker 2: you got to make the best out of bad situations.
Speaker 2: So especially like in the camps. That's what somebody they
Speaker 2: call like the camps, like for like the low offense,
Speaker 2: like Federal they call on the camps. So you're in
Speaker 2: there with a lot of like white collared crime criminals,
Speaker 2: a lot mostly people are extremely smart, and it's like
Speaker 2: people from all over the country because the FEDS is
Speaker 2: not just one state. It's like yeah, so it's actually
Speaker 2: a very powerful networking opportunity. I mean, you became friends
Speaker 2: with Laurence Hill, how's that going to happen? Like, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, that's kind of crazy. So
Speaker 2: can you talk about that, like how was that experience?
Speaker 2: As far as I want.
Speaker 5: To say this right because now it's a difference the
Speaker 5: Feds back in the days, like in the seventies and eighties,
Speaker 5: you know, Davids tenants, since that shit does not exist.
Speaker 4: So I just want to be clear that you know
Speaker 4: you got the camp.
Speaker 5: Now, when I first got locked up, I wasn't eligible
Speaker 5: to go to the camp, and that was because of
Speaker 5: the money amount in my case, my restitution and because
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 4: Length of the sentence I had.
Speaker 5: Right So generally when you got like five years or less,
Speaker 5: they'll let you go to a camp. So I was
Speaker 5: in the sci with killers right when I first got
Speaker 5: to prison, and I had to work my way down.
Speaker 5: There's a point system that you could work your way
Speaker 5: down to a camp.
Speaker 4: Now, a camp is.
Speaker 5: A better situation because it's more freedom, but you still
Speaker 5: are a woman being incarcerated.
Speaker 4: We don't got tennants.
Speaker 5: We gotta eat what they give us, you know, unless
Speaker 5: you got the hook up and you gotta figure.
Speaker 4: Like it's a whole another you know.
Speaker 5: So I just want to make sure because people think
Speaker 5: of Arange just the new black and camp. We have,
Speaker 5: you know, enjoyable moments and you know, I can tell
Speaker 5: you about some times I had and I had a
Speaker 5: good time.
Speaker 4: But I want to be clear before somebody want to.
Speaker 2: Do, oh yeah, no, don't, don't. It's not it's not
Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not a it's not a camp.
Speaker 2: But but but but because even Caesar, even Caesar, he
Speaker 2: said that's how he got turned onto real estate. He
Speaker 2: met a guy in jail who was a white collar
Speaker 2: criminal who was a huge. He was huge, and he
Speaker 2: was in there for a white collar crime. And long
Speaker 2: story short, he's taught him real estate in jail and
Speaker 2: and now he owns the whole Patterson, New Jersey. So
Speaker 2: I say that to say, yeah, we can never glamorize it,
Speaker 2: glorize it, but you do meet you can't meet can opportunity,
Speaker 2: And I did.
Speaker 4: I met senators, state senators.
Speaker 5: I was also locked up with Teresa Judyce from the
Speaker 5: Housewives of New Jersey. So any of how jail pitchures,
Speaker 5: you see, I'm in all of them because I helped
Speaker 5: her stage them. So like I mean me, you know,
Speaker 5: like you're gonna meet some incredible people. And I think
Speaker 5: what it did was it sharpened my networking skills. Right,
Speaker 5: So I have this keen ability. I could be around
Speaker 5: a person for three to five minutes and I could
Speaker 5: tell you, like, you know, if it's gonna be something
Speaker 5: to gain out of the relationship, if it's a situation
Speaker 5: that could be, you know, an opportunity for us to
Speaker 5: collaborate or do things. And I got that from meeting
Speaker 5: so many people from so.
Speaker 4: Many different backgrounds.
Speaker 5: So living in close confinements with people from all kinds
Speaker 5: of different nationalities and creeds, you begin to not be
Speaker 5: so prejudiced or think that your mindset is right because
Speaker 5: now you engage with people who teach you because you
Speaker 5: were geting to love them. You might need not like
Speaker 5: them at first, but after you spent seven eight years
Speaker 5: I stayed in one prison, you like yo, they become
Speaker 5: your family, so you beulcome open minded to different things,
Speaker 5: which opens you up to new opportunities.
Speaker 3: Seeah, speaking of family, right, and now that we just
Speaker 3: spoke about it, it's the first time I'm thinking of it. Right.
Speaker 3: You're the first woman that we have had on your
Speaker 3: mother as well, what was the impact on your family
Speaker 3: outside of jail and how instrumental were they and you
Speaker 3: getting through this process?
Speaker 4: They were everything.
Speaker 5: So, like, my kids were nine and eleven when I left,
Speaker 5: and I didn't return to my kids were eighteen and
Speaker 5: twenty one. I missed every graduation, every graduation, right, So
Speaker 5: I finally last year just.
Speaker 4: Got to go to my son's college graduation.
Speaker 5: I was the first graduation I got to go to
Speaker 5: as a mom, right because I missed all of those
Speaker 5: crucial years of my kid's life. So it just showed me,
Speaker 5: like I wanted to get this money to because my
Speaker 5: kids had minks and pry To shoes and Gucci this
Speaker 5: and all this, Like I'm thinking that these things is
Speaker 5: what the kids want, but really the kids just wanted me, right,
Speaker 5: So I hurt the hell out of them by being
Speaker 5: away from them for that many years. But what I
Speaker 5: did do was like the way that I was able
Speaker 5: to cultivate my relationship with them behind bars is I
Speaker 5: helped my kids set up businesses, right, so literally on
Speaker 5: the visiting room floor, I helped my son start his
Speaker 5: clothing line. You know, I was cool with rapper Jada Kiss,
Speaker 5: who ended up helping my son with his rap career,
Speaker 5: and you know what, my daughter's you know, her whole
Speaker 5: thing that she wanted to do with her beauty company.
Speaker 5: So I engage my kids by finding things that they
Speaker 5: like and showing them what was possible while I was
Speaker 5: behind bars, and I gained the great amount of respect
Speaker 5: for them with that, and that was a way that
Speaker 5: I kind of kept the relations and kept myself alive
Speaker 5: doing you know, great things from behind bars.
Speaker 2: So a lot of times when people come out of jail,
Speaker 2: if anybody's ever known anybody that's going to jail, especially
Speaker 2: for a long period of time, it's hard for them
Speaker 2: to readapt into the world. A lot of times they
Speaker 2: go back to jail, and even if they don't go
Speaker 2: back to jail, it's just like they they're never really
Speaker 2: the same person. They become intitutionalized, and it's hard for them.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot changes when you're in jail for
Speaker 2: ten years, nine years. So like when we had Wallow
Speaker 2: on Shout to Wallow, he was in jail for twenty
Speaker 2: years and he came out hit the ground running on
Speaker 2: social media and now he got one of the top
Speaker 2: podcasts in the world, and he's just they just killing it.
Speaker 2: So you you know, was being in jail for almost
Speaker 2: a decade coming out and kind of similar in regards
Speaker 2: to you know, social media, then being on a reality
Speaker 2: TV show, the top reality TV show Love and Hip Hop.
Speaker 2: How was that? Like, how did all of that come about?
Speaker 2: As far as your branding, Like were you working at
Speaker 2: on the inside or when you got out did you
Speaker 2: have a strategy? Like what was how did that come about?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: So my conversations with Lauren Hill was key, like she
Speaker 5: changed my mindset. Like you know, when you meet somebody
Speaker 5: that you look up to or that you believe in
Speaker 5: and they tell you you got it, it really increases
Speaker 5: your faith to believe. And she suggested, she's like, listen,
Speaker 5: you around all these stories. Start taking some of these
Speaker 5: women's stories and do something with them. And when she
Speaker 5: told me that, I went ahead and I produced The
Speaker 5: High Price. I had to pay book series, right, and
Speaker 5: that was like telling stories of women serving decade plus sentences.
Speaker 5: So I started getting women comfortable to show their faces.
Speaker 4: And then we started.
Speaker 5: Staging prison pictures, right, so we would get our makeup done.
Speaker 5: I had done and our pictures went Bible. So I
Speaker 5: know you didn't seen some of our pictures because our
Speaker 5: pictures were Bible and we was on Baller Alert and
Speaker 5: the Shade Room and everybody like, yo, who these girls
Speaker 5: that looked so pretty in prison? And we did that
Speaker 5: purposely and strategically to show people that, you know, like
Speaker 5: what they think is in prison isn't really in prison.
Speaker 5: And we use that as a way to start telling
Speaker 5: our stories and kind of like from there, Yandy or Smith,
Speaker 5: who's actually my partner now, she found me on social media,
Speaker 5: her and her manager LaToya, and it's all she wrote.
Speaker 5: From there, I came home, CBS called me. I ended
Speaker 5: up doing their Pink Color Crimes. Right after that, b
Speaker 5: Et caught me to do the track Queen series. I'm
Speaker 5: now working with VH one on a whole nother show.
Speaker 5: So it just was like, you know, one way to
Speaker 5: another to another. But it started with a mindset believing
Speaker 5: that I can seeing my success, knowing that despite the
Speaker 5: adversity I faced, that no one could deem me dead
Speaker 5: except me.
Speaker 4: So if I say I failed, then I failed. But
Speaker 4: if I say I succeed and look for the good
Speaker 4: in a bad situation, I can find it. And that's
Speaker 4: my mindset now and even during this pandemic.
Speaker 5: I had to adapt back to that like finding the
Speaker 5: good in every situation, purposely looking forward and not stopping
Speaker 5: that search.
Speaker 4: Until you find.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the most admirable things I think what
Speaker 3: you're doing, and I applaud you for it, is going
Speaker 3: back and going into schools and telling your story and
Speaker 3: providing education to children. And I know you have a
Speaker 3: program you want you want to talk about what you've
Speaker 3: been doing in schools.
Speaker 5: Yes, So basically, now I told you guys, I was
Speaker 5: like the prison clerk, right, So the recreation clerk was
Speaker 5: the person who developed curriculum to help keep women programming
Speaker 5: and out of trouble and just to have a good morale,
Speaker 5: like to keep the spirits up while incarcerated. Never did
Speaker 5: I dream in a million years that that skill set
Speaker 5: would prepare me to establish a multimillion dollar educational consulting firm.
Speaker 4: And basically what I do now is I develop programs
Speaker 4: for schools, for cities, for communities, and I teach them
Speaker 4: ways through my curriculum how to engage high risk individuals
Speaker 4: or at risk individuals, and I show people what's possible.
Speaker 4: And what we do is pair them up with celebrities
Speaker 4: and other influences. So kind of like what Lauren did
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: Right, I was in my situation and I didn't know
Speaker 5: I could, if I could come out or not.
Speaker 4: She gave me hope. So I use people that other people.
Speaker 5: Look up to to implement the curriculums that I create.
Speaker 5: And we, you know, we inspire so many people to
Speaker 5: push past their fears, push past their pain, and make
Speaker 5: it onto on time.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this as far as because
Speaker 2: obviously you have a brilliant mind, and you knew a
Speaker 2: lot about real estate. You had to know a lot
Speaker 2: about real estate, and I'm sure you learned a lot
Speaker 2: are you Are you still involved in real estate now?
Speaker 2: Are you able to be an investor? I don't think
Speaker 2: you can. They can stop you from being an investor.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Caesar is an investor. Shot out to Season.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep I don't keep making I
Speaker 2: don't want to throw Season under the bus. But he's
Speaker 2: just his name, his name comes to mind.
Speaker 4: He made it.
Speaker 5: So that it that it's against it's a violation for
Speaker 5: me to operate in the realm of real estate. Right,
Speaker 5: So that was another purposeful band. So, by the way,
Speaker 5: I got a twelve and a half million, not a restitution, Right,
Speaker 5: I got a twelve and a half year sentence, a
Speaker 5: twelve and a half year restitution, and then I got
Speaker 5: a ban to be banned from real estate.
Speaker 4: Right. I think that that was the thing, Like, Okay, if.
Speaker 5: We take this away from her, she won't know how
Speaker 5: to generate that money again. But the thing about me
Speaker 5: is you put me wherever, and you showed me the system.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna figure it out. So I just was able
Speaker 5: to adapt to other things. So right now, currently, while
Speaker 5: I'm on federal probation they call it because we don't
Speaker 5: have parole in the federal system, I'm not able to
Speaker 5: operate in the practice of real estate. However, I know
Speaker 5: a lot about it, and one day I'll be able
Speaker 5: to operate in the realm.
Speaker 3: Put me anyway on God's green earth from a triple
Speaker 3: my word.
Speaker 2: So that the twelve million restitution, you have to pay
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars back? Yes, So how does that work?
Speaker 5: It just it just has to work like so for me,
Speaker 5: Like I put not too much emphasis on it, because
Speaker 5: I got one hundred.
Speaker 4: Million dollar plan five years a hundred million. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: figure it out.
Speaker 5: Like to me, like, I can't let that barrier block me,
Speaker 5: because if you think about it, that was really.
Speaker 4: A life sentence that you issue on somebody.
Speaker 5: So not only do I gotta do the time I
Speaker 5: got this judgment, that's a federal judgment, lean over my
Speaker 5: hand right until I pay it all because it doesn't disappear.
Speaker 5: Bankruptcy doesn't take it away. Time doesn't take it away.
Speaker 5: So with that said, I had to position my mindset
Speaker 5: to take it away. Okay, twelve and a half that's life,
Speaker 5: that's that's short points. I'm gonna get to it, you know,
Speaker 5: And I gotta get back out here and do what
Speaker 5: I do and figure that out. Because but I feel
Speaker 5: like one day that whole story and the corruption of
Speaker 5: that whole thing that happened to me will unfold and
Speaker 5: maybe that twelve and a half years, I mean twelve
Speaker 5: and a half and a half million dollar restitution will
Speaker 5: you know, have to go away.
Speaker 4: But if not, I guess I have to pay that.
Speaker 3: The federal government just collects down with.
Speaker 4: The monthly monthly day. I have a set order.
Speaker 5: They take money from me, and according to my income,
Speaker 5: my earnable income wages, they are able to come in
Speaker 5: at any point and take whatever they can.
Speaker 2: It's like child support kind of a portion of area.
Speaker 4: Baby daddy to have or the federal government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's an expensive change. So I mean that's
Speaker 2: how do you sold all right, as far as criminal
Speaker 2: justice reformed, right, because it's like we spoke with my
Speaker 2: saunt who did seven years, seven seven years for ten dollars.
Speaker 2: I think they he said that they didn't commit but
Speaker 2: even I mean even without not committing the crime, and
Speaker 2: think it was like robbing a cab driver of ten dollars.
Speaker 2: That's what he was accused though, robbing a cab drive
Speaker 2: of ten dollars. You, like I said, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you admitted that you you did a crime. Right, We're
Speaker 2: not saying that you didn't do a crime, but I
Speaker 2: mean you didn't hurt anybody. You didn't, you know, nobody
Speaker 2: died anything. So and like I said, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: people during that financial crisis that frauded hundreds of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars that got probation.
Speaker 3: That So someone argue that you help people, right, I
Speaker 3: saw on one article they were calling you the black robberhood.
Speaker 4: I mean I did help a lot of people. Truth
Speaker 4: is I've helped a lot of my people become homeowners.
Speaker 4: I educated them on credit, and to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get back into that.
Speaker 5: MG the mortgage guy, he and I did a live
Speaker 5: yeah recently, he actually empowered some students and I realized
Speaker 5: I have a gift to be able to help my people,
Speaker 5: and I got to figure out how to do that
Speaker 5: because it's necessary, you know.
Speaker 2: So how do we fix this crime? Because that's another
Speaker 2: thing we didn't talk about as well. You're you're an app,
Speaker 2: you're and activists, So how do we fix this criminal
Speaker 2: justice system that's broken? It's a double standard, and obviously,
Speaker 2: like cases like yours, my son is obvious that it's
Speaker 2: not the same punishment for the same crime depending on
Speaker 2: people's skin color. So what's the what's what's what's some
Speaker 2: of the things we can do?
Speaker 5: Media and people might laugh at that, like what do
Speaker 5: you mean? Like you just kind of look at the
Speaker 5: recent cases. Right when people start seeing outrageous stuff and
Speaker 5: we start making it go viral, people lift up their
Speaker 5: mouths and start speaking out.
Speaker 4: And when you speak out, things happen.
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm an activist today because I know
Speaker 5: that you gotta use your voice.
Speaker 4: A closed mouth does not get fat.
Speaker 5: I feel like the more people keep seeing the injustices,
Speaker 5: the more we're gonna fight, the more we're gonna demand
Speaker 5: that the laws, you know, be changed. And it won't
Speaker 5: happen tomorrow morning, but eventually, every day it gets better,
Speaker 5: it gets better. It gets better, it gets better. And
Speaker 5: when we join forces and we galvanize, then people get
Speaker 5: to know, don't play with us, because we can mess
Speaker 5: with people in different ways and it doesn't have to
Speaker 5: necessarily just be like people think, Oh, I gotta kill
Speaker 5: you to hurt you. Nah, you feel me. You start
Speaker 5: surrounding the folks house. You see in Georgia what they
Speaker 5: did right to be arrested. The people folks started surrounding
Speaker 5: the houses with signs like listen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: There's a way to get folks attention to make the move.
Speaker 5: It's just about using your mind and being strategic about it.
Speaker 5: And I feel like we are gaining some progress and
Speaker 5: I feel like in time it will happen. But we
Speaker 5: have to unify as a people and teach people how
Speaker 5: to treat us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know. One of the takeaways
Speaker 2: that I get from your story and a bunch of
Speaker 2: other stories. Is like, you know, a lot of people,
Speaker 2: you know sometimes are our best talent is in jail
Speaker 2: because you know they might not have had the same
Speaker 2: opportunities resource somebody else might have, like you know, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you know, and everything happens for a reason in
Speaker 2: life and you can never you know, blame anybody or anything.
Speaker 2: But it just goes to show you that, you know,
Speaker 2: don't be so quick to just you know, look down
Speaker 2: on somebody or discard somebody because a lot of people
Speaker 2: are really smart people that just make mistakes, and everybody
Speaker 2: makes mistakes and just you know, different opportunities, different you know,
Speaker 2: different life paths. Who knows, Wall Street Trapper might be
Speaker 2: the CEO of a fortune five hundred company right now,
Speaker 2: like you know, if he wasn't if he didn't grow
Speaker 2: up in Louisiana. Like so, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: stories like yours, I think is important to show that
Speaker 2: a it's never over, like you can always you know,
Speaker 2: change your life. And also to just show people that
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's great to have that ambition, but
Speaker 2: maybe just funnel it in a more straight arrow and
Speaker 2: take a little it takes a little longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the climbing up the stays gonna take a
Speaker 3: little bit longer. Yeah, it's worth it.
Speaker 2: It's worth it in the longer you're gonna keep it.
Speaker 5: So now, like I just came home, I just got
Speaker 5: a condo, right, but literally the condo I moved back
Speaker 5: in the community that I bought a condo in when
Speaker 5: I was twenty one. You know, I'm doubled at age now, right,
Speaker 5: so I'm starting.
Speaker 4: Over whereas I could have did things the right way.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy, you know. So for some people, they
Speaker 4: look at me and they're like, oh my god, you're
Speaker 4: doing so well, and.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at my stuff like, oh baby, bom, this
Speaker 5: is this is you know, I'm grateful, but yeah, this.
Speaker 4: Is not new for me, you know.
Speaker 5: But had I done things the right way, no one
Speaker 5: would have been able to take away what I worked for.
Speaker 4: So that's important. That's why I tell people, take your
Speaker 4: time and get it right.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure. I'm glad
Speaker 2: we got a chance to have this conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be excited about this one.
Speaker 2: To anything that you want to make the public aware of,
Speaker 2: any initiatives any I know your book, your book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got something dropping very shortly.
Speaker 2: That's our book took Yeah, talk about that, let's do it.
Speaker 5: I literally wrote this book about nine years ago when
Speaker 5: I was in federal prison trying to figure it out,
Speaker 5: when my mom was all messed up and I thought
Speaker 5: I was gonna die and I didn't know how I
Speaker 5: was avived a decade, you know, in federal prison, and
Speaker 5: this particular book was the road map that.
Speaker 4: God literally literally gave me to change my mindset.
Speaker 5: How could I take these disgusting limits that they gave me,
Speaker 5: you know, and turn them into sweet lemonade.
Speaker 4: So I outline the points in my books.
Speaker 5: It's the twelve points, the turning a setback into a
Speaker 5: major comeback. So you know, you gotta check it out.
Speaker 5: It's coming out on June thirteenth. I'm gonna have a
Speaker 5: big virtual book signing. You know, we gotta do everything
Speaker 5: virtual now. I'm gonna have incredible phenomenal speakers coming to
Speaker 5: talking and power people and it's just good fuel, good
Speaker 5: food for the salt, inspiration.
Speaker 2: What your social media handles and are you coming back
Speaker 2: on love and hip hop? Is that gonna happen On,
Speaker 2: So yeah, it needs my partner.
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