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Speaker 2: All right, guys, welcome back, Earn your Lisia. This is

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Speaker 2: This is a different episode for us, but we tell stories.

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Speaker 2: The thing we're unleashes that we do a lot of

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Speaker 2: different stuff. Sometimes we do like blueprints on businesses. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: we highlight a person's journey. Sometimes we tell stories. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Kenny Burns legendary. Yeah, that's another one. That's

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Speaker 2: the fact. So this story is it's a financial story,

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Speaker 2: but it also deals with the criminal justice system. It

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Speaker 2: deals with all kinds of biases inside of that, it

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Speaker 2: deals with the financial crisis of two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: It's a whole bunch of a lot of stuff. It's

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Speaker 2: think captivating.

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Speaker 3: It might be the word. I'm being honest, and I

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Speaker 3: told you this beforehand, but I didn't tell you our guest, uh,

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Speaker 3: my parents, you know, they in their sixties, late sixties,

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Speaker 3: early seventies, and they just figured out how to use YouTube.

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Speaker 3: And once they got on, this young lady that we're

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Speaker 3: channel and they watched your story and we're blown away.

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Speaker 3: Like they were like, Troy, come downstairs right now, you

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Speaker 3: my mom's favorite episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So Jamiller T. Davis. You might have

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Speaker 2: seen I think then if you're referring to as a

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Speaker 2: She has a program in school, who was just talking

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Speaker 2: about now where she's going into school teaching financial literacy

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Speaker 2: along with a bunch of other programs. But before that,

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Speaker 2: so the story is, it's a it's a very, like

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Speaker 2: you said, captivating story. It involves the government, the former

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Speaker 2: And it involves credit real estate, it involves mansions, all

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Speaker 2: but first and foremost, thank you for joining us. We

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: For having no no problem, no problem. So so yes,

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Speaker 2: let's let's get into it. So people that might not

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Speaker 2: You know, I learned about your story recently and I

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Speaker 5: Okay, the beginning of where it started for me was

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Speaker 2: So how did you get turned onto this? Because it's

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Speaker 4: Story is gonna make you laugh. First of all, I

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Speaker 5: So I started helping people get cars, and I learned

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Speaker 3: So you're introducing people to the credit, I'm assuming the

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Speaker 3: derogatories and late payments. We're wiping these out.

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Speaker 4: Listen, we wipe out.

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Speaker 5: The system is not even you know, people would die

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Speaker 2: So all right, so at what point do you get

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Speaker 5: So ironically, like I grew up in real estate because

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Speaker 5: And I really had a lot of like rappers and

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Speaker 4: It's just about when people are enlightened. Right.

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Speaker 5: So real estate is always evolving. It's just about when

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Speaker 5: I had nine multimillion dollar houses that totaled about thirty

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Speaker 2: So all right, because you said that you have.

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Speaker 2: How many homes did did you have? And no, that

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what big that's what another thing Big Business

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be able to find that that that that's lower.

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Speaker 4: How I acquired the houses? So I took a shortcut.

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Speaker 4: So that was my crime.

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Speaker 5: My crime was I have real people, real credit scores,

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Speaker 2: Stated stated like stated, but stated income was was was

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Speaker 5: So today like I operate differently. I'm not willing because

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Speaker 2: Like they was big up on the hill. So how

443
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 2: you coming off the street? Like, who was you? How

444
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: did you get to connect in Lehman Brothers and like

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: how high up? Like how did that work? Can you

446
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 2: explain to Leman brother situation mortgage?

447
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 4: It was my mortgage broker.

448
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 5: So again you know your mortgage broker is gonna be connected.

449
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 5: My guy was in the game for over fifteen years, right,

450
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 5: so you know they go from one company to another company,

451
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 5: they know all the executives.

452
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 4: Right.

453
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 5: So my connect, the connect I had, was very high up,

454
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 5: and he was dealing with high up executives.

455
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 4: So for instance, it was easier for me to close.

456
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 5: On three and four million dollar loans then it was

457
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 5: for me to get a Honda accord.

458
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: Okay, when I was in the car.

459
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 5: Game, it was literally we produced the paperwork and two

460
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 5: three days later we closing off four or five million

461
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 5: dollar houses like this, no questions asked, Right, So people

462
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 5: think it's like really difficult to get more.

463
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 4: I feel like it's easier to get more than less.

464
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: So the mortgage broker was the connect to Lean.

465
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: He was the connect. This was his peoples.

466
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: It's interesting, so at what point does this start to

467
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: go back? I sew another interview when you said, like

468
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 2: you had a lot of like exotic cars and like

469
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: was that a red flag? Like when when they see

470
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: rappers moving in the neighborhood and everybody else that lives

471
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood is a doctor or you know, a

472
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 2: CEO of a company and they you know, at what

473
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: point did that become like, Okay, what's going on here?

474
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: I need to call one hundred crime stoppers.

475
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 4: Like the neighbors.

476
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 5: Actually were kind of infatuated by us, like we were cool,

477
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 5: you know, So to think about me is I already

478
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 5: been ritching my mom. I just needed a couple of

479
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 5: dollars to go with my mind set. You feel me,

480
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 5: need a bag?

481
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 4: I was taking it straight to the top. So we

482
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 4: had the match in Bentley's.

483
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 5: You know, we had like my partner had all burgundy cars.

484
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 5: I had all white cars. At the time, this free

485
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 5: well spinning Rims was out. We had s free Wells

486
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 5: on everything. You know, I had the shades on. I

487
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: was going through the neighborhood. Just couldn't tell me nothing.

488
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: You just for me. I made it you feel me,

489
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 4: And that was like.

490
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 5: I guess, the ghetto fabulous way of showing people you arrived.

491
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 5: But I did it for a couple of reasons. Now

492
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 5: I'm also a business woman.

493
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 4: Right.

494
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, I know our

495
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: people are attracted to flashy things. Right, So if I

496
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 5: pull up and I'm talking that big talking, I'm trying

497
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 5: to get a big sell.

498
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 4: But my you know what I'm saying, my costume and

499
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call it the costume. Right. Yeah, if to

500
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 4: pull up costume meaning to.

501
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 5: Watch you, you got on you know what I mean,

502
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 5: the car you riding in and you're getting tight, they're

503
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 5: not trying.

504
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: To talk to you.

505
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: So I have was flashy purposely because that flash attracted

506
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 5: the ball players, it attracted the rapters, it attracted the celebrities,

507
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 5: and people wanted to know who I was and they

508
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 5: wanted to talk to me. And by me having those conversations,

509
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 5: once I got through the door, I would pull them

510
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 5: all in.

511
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: And that was all she did.

512
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: At what point did you start to feel the walls

513
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: closed in or did it happen like all of a

514
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: sudden it was like, damn, you got this. It was

515
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: like they just knocked at your door and it's like,

516
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 3: oh shit, this is over.

517
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 5: There were no warnings, right, Nobody told me, like, nobody

518
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 5: prepared me for this part of the game.

519
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: Right, because in my head. I finally arrived.

520
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 5: So now I'm associating with the ball players and their wives.

521
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 5: I became a little bit boogie.

522
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 4: I changed, you know, my little tone, you know, moving

523
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 4: a long life. My kids are enrolled and all the schools.

524
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking that the f boys is coming to

525
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 4: the door.

526
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 5: You feel me, So one day they and I'll never

527
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 5: forget it. It was April the third, two thousand and three.

528
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: There was a fraud alert issue. So this FBI agent

529
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 5: had a fraud alert issue throughout the financial service industry

530
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 5: that blasted out that the following people are underneath federal investigation.

531
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 5: If you get any loans from these people, you see them,

532
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 5: do any business, contact my office immediately.

533
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: That was the end of my whole life as I

534
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 4: knew it.

535
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: In real estate, and you were on the list. You

536
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: were on that list. You were on that list.

537
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 3: Somebody So wait, somebody called in.

538
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: No, the FBI, So they was kid, They were just on.

539
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: They were just on to you the whole time.

540
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: No, they really.

541
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 5: Wasn't on to us. The mortgage broker and this is

542
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 5: the stuff that really makes me sick. So the mortgage

543
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 5: broker that got the two years he was doing all

544
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 5: kinds of frivolous stuff that I didn't know about.

545
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: Right, So he was being.

546
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: Investigated for some other frauds that he was doing. So

547
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: when they stumbled upon him, right and I guess they

548
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 5: caught us on the wyat taps and started seeing a lifestyle,

549
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 5: it attracted. It kind of merged our worlds don't want

550
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 5: to investigate us, but here goes to deal.

551
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 4: When we first got.

552
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 5: Under investigation, they thought I was a drug dealer.

553
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: They didn't know what I was doing.

554
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: They just seen the cars all the crazy and they

555
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: felt like it was something wrong.

556
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 4: So they was fishing at first.

557
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: The investigation started with them just trying to see exactly

558
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 5: what I was into, who I was dealing with, Because

559
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 5: now remind you, I went from the street hustlers, So

560
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 5: I started with helping street hustlers get cars. So all

561
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 5: of the names that ring bells in the street, I

562
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: was the person that they went to to get their cars.

563
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 5: I went from street hustlers to celebrities to ballplayers, so

564
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: I had those realm of people around me at any

565
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: given time.

566
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 4: So when they seeing me, they like, is she a

567
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 4: drug dealer? Is she you know? Is she really with

568
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 4: a ball? Like who is she. So I think that

569
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: they saw me, they saw my lifestyle.

570
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: I had maybox, I had drivers, I had houses on

571
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: the hill, and I was.

572
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: Mind you, twenty five years old.

573
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 5: So they looking at me and they know it's something

574
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 5: that is not right, but they didn't know exactly what

575
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: was going on.

576
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: And as they did their investigation.

577
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: And let me be caring, guys, anytime you're under federal investigation,

578
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 5: I don't really care if you're not doing anything wrong,

579
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 5: they're gonna find something.

580
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 4: Whether it be one wrong check on the tax box.

581
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: Like when they look and they keep digging and digging

582
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 5: and fishing, if there's anything wrong, they're gonna find.

583
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

584
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: So like they freezing the accounts everything, what's happening during

585
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: that time?

586
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 5: So at that was first and then I woke up

587
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 5: maybe two weeks later and all my money was frozen.

588
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 5: So it was just, you know, I thought I would

589
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: be able to get past this, even with the FBI

590
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 5: fraud alert. I hired an attorney, gave him one hundred

591
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 5: thousand dollars retainer. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna put

592
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 5: my bread on you and you're gonna leave me alone.

593
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 5: But that's not the case. Like once you get these

594
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 5: f boys. It's not like the state, Like these dudes

595
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 5: come with an insatiable appetite.

596
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: You feel me so like.

597
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 5: Despite the money that I threw after kind of like

598
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 5: trying to get it all fixed, and despite the fact.

599
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 5: Now let's talk about the fact I had twenty eight

600
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 5: million dollars worth of loans that needed to be fixed,

601
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 5: right like, meaning that had to be paid off. I

602
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 5: got the money to the US Attorney's office twice, and

603
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: the FED shut it down because what happens in the

604
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: FEDS is if there's no loss, there's no time, right

605
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 5: So you can only do time when it comes to

606
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 5: white collar crimes based on the amount of loss. So

607
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 5: they strategically wanted me to have a big loss so

608
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: that I could do big time.

609
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: So you said that you got the money to them twice,

610
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

611
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: That means I had other investors, So let's talk about it.

612
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: I purchased these properties in two thousand and two, before

613
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: the biggest real estate booster in recent history or boom

614
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 5: in recent history, for seventeen million. I put another three

615
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: million dollars in the properties to renovate them, so I

616
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 5: was in them for twenty million. Now mind you, I

617
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 5: got you know, short sales. I got people that were

618
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 5: divorced off fire sale homes, right, so really negotiated them right.

619
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: And then the real estate boom happened. So my properties

620
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: were worth over thirty million in less than.

621
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: A couple of years.

622
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: Right, So I had investors, right because my investigation didn't

623
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: start happening in two two thousand and three. So I

624
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: had investors at that time who were willing to purchase

625
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 5: the properties from me and still make a profit, right,

626
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 5: And that would have cleared the debt. And guess what

627
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 5: I would have been scott free. I would have never

628
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: did a day in prison because no laws, no lass.

629
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Who like investors like in the music business, investors.

630
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 5: Like I got savvy in real estate, right, so you know,

631
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 5: I started finding hard money lenders.

632
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 4: People who were you know, real investors.

633
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 5: So like when you start moving in them realms and

634
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: you start having access to those type of properties and things,

635
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 5: you start meeting a different kind of people. So I

636
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: started meeting investment bankers with private investment groups I brought in.

637
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: I had hard money lenders.

638
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: I had all kinds of folks who were willing to,

639
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 5: you know, basically bail me out.

640
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: And crazy wouldn't let it happen.

641
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: The craziest part about the story, this is like a

642
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: legendary story, is like I didn't know what a hard

643
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: money lend it was till last year. And you've been

644
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: doing this for fifteen twenty years already. That's crazy.

645
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: So s all right. So you have these properties you

646
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: brought for seventeen million, put three twenty, but then it

647
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: just sticky rockets because the real estate market goes crazy.

648
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: Then the twenty million dollars the properties turns like thirty

649
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: eight million in property value. So the investors was gonna

650
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: come with twenty something million to pay off the loans

651
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: that you have outstanding on the properties. But they're gonna

652
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: pay twenty five million, let's say, for almost forty million

653
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: dollars in real estate. So they're still going to make

654
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: a profit on it. But the government would and let

655
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: them pay for the properties.

656
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what. Let's talk about it, talk

657
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 4: about it.

658
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Christie. So let's before you even

659
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 2: say that. So Chris Christy, for people that might not

660
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: know who he is, Chris Christie was the former governor

661
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: of New Jersey. He also ran for president and he

662
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: was also thought he was going to be the vice president.

663
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: I think he thought he was going to be Donald

664
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: Trump's vice president. No, no, no, district.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, first secretary of state or something.

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Speaker 2: What's what's the top lawyer in the country call the

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Speaker 2: defense attorney. No, it's the top it's the top lawyer. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: he thought he was going to get that position. But

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Speaker 2: Chris Christie, he's the very high ranking Republican for a

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Speaker 2: long period of time. But before all of that, he

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Speaker 2: was a prosecutor in the state of New Jersey. So

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Speaker 2: all right, so talk about all right.

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Speaker 4: Day when I got the twelve and a half years

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Speaker 4: and they got the two, he said justice has been

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Speaker 4: served in America. That Chris Christie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, So Chris Christie, so how does

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Speaker 2: he come into play in this whole saga?

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Speaker 4: So he's my us attorney.

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Speaker 5: And what I didn't know, Man, I got caught in

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Speaker 5: the the.

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Speaker 4: Good Boy's Club battle.

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Speaker 5: So the attorney that I'm giving one hundred thousand dollars too, Right,

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Speaker 5: nobody's explaining to me, like all of these people as friends, right,

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Speaker 5: So these are they in the good Boy's Club?

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Speaker 2: Your lawyer and the district lawyer, My lawyer.

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Speaker 5: The people I'm hiring to defend me, they down with

687
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Speaker 5: the mix. Usually it's supposed to work out for you

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Speaker 5: because they can negotiate.

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Speaker 4: A good deal.

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Speaker 5: But in my instance, when they saw the equity and

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Speaker 5: the properties, they.

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Speaker 4: Turned against me. So now watched it. I told you

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Speaker 4: what the properties will work.

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Speaker 5: I told you I paid seventeen put in three, so

695
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Speaker 5: I was in them for twenty right. And I told

696
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Speaker 5: you because of the rise they were worth at least

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Speaker 5: thirty five, could have been tipping more right, could have

698
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Speaker 5: been closer to the forty end. Guess what they allowed

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Speaker 5: The US Attorney's Office allowed Lehman Brothers attorneys to do

700
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Speaker 5: to sell the properties to a subsidiary of themselves to

701
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Speaker 5: take them back forcibly so they're not in foreclosure.

702
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Speaker 4: The properties never went through foreclosure.

703
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Speaker 5: Right the help of the US Attorney, they got the

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Speaker 5: properties back, sold the properties to a subsidiary of themselves

705
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Speaker 5: for one dollar right, and then offered them for a

706
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Speaker 5: twelve million dollar discount.

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Speaker 3: Right, So basically all nine properties for a dollar.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: They ended up getting the properties for like thirteen million

710
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Speaker 5: dollars or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And then within day they sold.

712
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Speaker 5: Them to all their friends and made millions of dollars.

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Speaker 5: Why didn't jail time for the difference?

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Speaker 2: So, because I was going to ask you about refying

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Speaker 2: they say that you got it illegally, Like, how does

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: Now, one of the twists to this that I definitely

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Speaker 4: Right, So, a straw.

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Speaker 5: Buyer is a person who's not really going to be

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Speaker 5: have a vested interest in the property, but you paid

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Speaker 5: them for their credit and you paid them for the

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Speaker 5: credentials to get the property. Right, So the FED is

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Speaker 5: put the pressure on those individuals right to sign the

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Speaker 5: property back over to the bank that's how they got

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Speaker 5: it done without a foreclosure.

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Speaker 3: Oh so to they say, you throw some money to

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Speaker 3: the straw buyers and like, listen, we're gonna take this

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Speaker 3: wen they're gonna wresh you or like you're on the

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Speaker 3: jail if okay, okay, pressure, Like listen, you.

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Speaker 4: Know you're gonna go to jail for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: And if you don't sign this paper, Oh where do

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Speaker 4: I sign? Take it? I justo please. It was one

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Speaker 4: of those kind of things.

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Speaker 5: So they got the properties back that way, and then

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Speaker 5: they wouldn't allow us to bring our investors in, they

789
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Speaker 5: wouldn't allow themselves to be whole. They sold them to

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Speaker 5: their friends and within days. So it's a crime within

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Speaker 5: the crime. So this is a lot of times people

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Speaker 5: don't see this. It's even when they sees money and

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Speaker 5: things from drug dealers before it ever gets to an

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Speaker 5: auction block that the general people are ever going to see.

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Speaker 5: There's a back office deal that goes down somewhere where

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Speaker 5: somebody's getting stuff that they don't really are not entitled to,

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Speaker 5: are not so roles to have.

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Speaker 4: And that's what happened to me. I was their porn.

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Speaker 2: That's like the I read the book, and I saw

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Speaker 2: the movie about Rick Ross Free Freeway, Ricky Ross, what's

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Speaker 2: the name of the movie. I can't forget. I can

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Speaker 2: forget everything right now. But it was this guy that

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Speaker 2: he was a whistleblower. He was the original whistleblower on

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Speaker 2: the whole situation. And he's told about the government and

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Speaker 2: the contrast in Nicaragua and how they was funding the

806
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Speaker 2: drugs and all of that stuff. And so part of

807
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Speaker 2: that story is that how this story came about, So

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Speaker 2: how this whole how that whole thing came about, was

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Speaker 2: that there was a drug dealer in California, Someway in California,

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Speaker 2: and his wife reached out to the reporter saying, like,

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Speaker 2: the government's taking our home. Da dada da. So when

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Speaker 2: he looked into it, he realized that it was a

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Speaker 2: whole play. It was like a hundred homes that the

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Speaker 2: government had took from drug dealers. So now he realized

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Speaker 2: it was like a whole plot. That's why I actually like,

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Speaker 2: is illegal for them to do that. It was a

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Speaker 2: whole plot to It was a whole plot and plan.

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Speaker 5: And that's why they had to bury me, right because

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Speaker 5: I was too outspoken. Had I just let them take

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Speaker 5: it and make their money. I really feel like I

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Speaker 5: probably would have been good. It would have been like, listen,

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Speaker 5: you know, I was the person that was adamant about

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Speaker 5: paying it back, adamant about getting the deal closed, because

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Speaker 5: I realized what kind of time exposure I had.

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Speaker 4: Right So, because they seen me.

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Speaker 5: So active, they like, yo, we got to sit her

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Speaker 5: down and shut her up because she's going to be

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Speaker 5: a pop. So the whole point was, let's make sure

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Speaker 5: she gets this twelve and a half year sentus. And

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Speaker 5: I feel like my judge was also involved in some

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Speaker 5: of that because they all the godson.

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Speaker 4: Of the godfathers, like.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's connected in this multiple family that I didn't know.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't discover that until I went to prison

835
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Speaker 5: and started actually doing.

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Speaker 4: Backfinding, and I'm like, y'all, this is scary.

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Speaker 5: That's just like y'all y'all homies, and I don't really

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Speaker 5: know y'all homies. But then I'm trying to fight against

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Speaker 5: y'all y'all really in the back room, gonna be like, listen, this.

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Speaker 4: Is what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 5: It's usually a made up mind before you even stepped

842
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Speaker 5: in the courtroom. Because deals happened on the golf course

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Speaker 5: or at you know, at the baby's birthday party.

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Speaker 3: That's a fact.

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Speaker 2: Attorney general, that's the name. That's what I was thinking about.

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Speaker 2: That that's the highest you said that, that's the highest

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Speaker 2: lawyer in the country. That's what Chris Christy was trying

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Speaker 2: to become the attorney general.

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Speaker 3: So he got caught up in the scandal. He was

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Speaker 3: going to be vice president and they had the Bridgegate scandal,

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Speaker 3: and so he's like, yeah, we gotta put you to

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Speaker 3: the side a little bit, and they were trying to

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Speaker 3: give him that job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said, the judge told you, why didn't

855
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Speaker 2: you stick to Newark or East Orange somebody that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he said, why did you know? He congratulated me,

857
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Speaker 5: told me how smart I was and wonderful. So I'm

858
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Speaker 5: thinking he about to like give me a nice light

859
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Speaker 5: sentence to let me go. He said, however, why didn't

860
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Speaker 5: you stick to buying properties in East Orange and Newark?

861
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Speaker 4: In areas where basically where you belong? You know, so

862
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Speaker 4: made it clear that I didn't belong.

863
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Speaker 5: You know, in the good white boys club, like you

864
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: entered into a society that you didn't belong. So, unfortunately,

865
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have to pay the price, and the price

866
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Speaker 5: was a twelve and a.

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Speaker 4: Half year sentence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing now he said that, I mean not amazing.

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Speaker 3: He was thinking, that's what I'm saying. It's all documented.

870
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Speaker 2: It's like, what does that have to do with anything?

871
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Speaker 2: Like does it make it better if you would have

872
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: done it in East Orange or Newark as opposed to

873
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: where you did it at Like it's still it would

874
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Speaker 2: be a crime no matter way you do it. So

875
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Speaker 2: I don't understand, like the logic behind you should have

876
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: done it in those neighborhoods. So you get twelve twelve

877
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Speaker 2: years in jail, Well, twelve years sentence, nine years in jail,

878
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Speaker 2: you said you that was like more time than anybody

879
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Speaker 2: in the Financial Crier. Come on, yeh by, like Forbes did.

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Speaker 5: The article about me, because they're like, yo, how did

881
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Speaker 5: you get Like nobody understood it just didn't.

882
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Speaker 4: Make any sense.

883
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 5: But now let's talk about the part of what does

884
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 5: make sense. Right, So it wasn't about what they was

885
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 5: trying to do to me. It was really about what

886
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: God was trying to do to me. Right, So for me,

887
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: I told you I was that fourteen year little old

888
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 5: girl who gave her soul to this boy never healed.

889
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: Was using all these material things.

890
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 5: To hide my insecurities, my self esteem issues, and really

891
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: just was phased with things that don't really count.

892
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: So it wasn't until the judge bang.

893
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 5: The gavit that I realized if it was my very

894
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: last day on this earth, my maker wouldn't say job

895
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 5: well done.

896
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: I was helping all kinds of people, but not really

897
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 4: doing the work that I was creating to do.

898
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 5: So I really feel like prison for me was the

899
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 5: place that transformed me. It changed my mindset, and it

900
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: got my mental right. It helped me to see what's

901
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 5: worth it and what's not a lot of people will

902
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 5: work all they life to get all these things and

903
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 5: to do all this stuff to die the next day.

904
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 4: That's not worth it.

905
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 5: You know, if you're gonna die, you want to have memories,

906
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 5: you want to have family support, you want to be

907
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: around loved ones. And truthfully, all those people who I

908
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 5: thought loved me and who I would have gave my

909
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 5: life for left me behind. And when I saw that,

910
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, this is not what I want to do.

911
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 5: I need to make a shift and I need to

912
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 5: live life on purpose. What's the thing that I do

913
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 5: effortlessly that God created me to do. What's that thing

914
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 5: that's going to be bring glory? What's that thing that's

915
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: going to leave a legacy for.

916
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: My children and my children's children. And I started tapping

917
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: into that mindset which ultimately changed my life and shifted

918
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: me for what I'm living in now.

919
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: So you learn a life that you could write a

920
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: book on. You started off literally with the street hostlers,

921
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: e money bags and the likes you. Then you was rappers.

922
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: Then he was in Jersey with Bentley's and Mansion as

923
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: a bad boy video kid Lehman brother and he was

924
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: part of the whole lemon of this situation. Then Chris Christie,

925
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: is she your prosecutor? Then you go to jail for

926
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: a crazy amount of time, and then in jail you

927
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: happen to be friend one of the greatest artists ever,

928
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: Lauren Hill, Like how does that happen?

929
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: This is a movie, like how my life.

930
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: Is set up? Like you can't make it up. But

931
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 4: Lauren was sentenced to ninety days for tax evasion and

932
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 4: when she came in, I was like high up in

933
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: the jail.

934
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 5: I was the prison clerk, So I had the kind

935
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 5: of like the highest position you could have as an emmy,

936
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 5: you know, in regards to movement, because for me, it

937
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 5: was about power. How am I gonna live good? To

938
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: live good, you're gonna have.

939
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: To have power. So let me get this power real

940
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 4: good quick so I could live good.

941
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: So the lady that ran the prison at the time,

942
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: she did the intake of Lauren, and she put Lauren

943
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: with me. So Lauren came to me like recommended by

944
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: how like yo mother got you, she gonna take care

945
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 5: of you.

946
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 4: And that's what I did.

947
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 5: So I made sure she was good, and we just

948
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: developed this really tight bond and you know, till this day,

949
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: you know, that's still my girl.

950
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: So that's one of my favorite artists of all time.

951
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: But you also, you know, you and increase your entrepreneurs

952
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 3: spirit inside of prison, right. So a lot of people

953
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: when they go there, they say that they got to

954
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: get their mindset right and get their mindset and a

955
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 3: lot of them do. But you took the time to

956
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: start writing. Did you have an aspiration to write before then?

957
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 4: Or I didn't even know I could write?

958
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 5: So it was like in that place, I started writing

959
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 5: and my mother hired me an editor and then I

960
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 5: started publishing books from behind bars. So I created the

961
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: Voices of Consequences and Enrichment series for incarcerated women, and

962
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 5: that's a self help series to help incarcerated women heal,

963
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: recognize their potential, and recapture their dreams. So I did

964
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 5: that as a prisoner, and literally my books was in

965
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 5: prisons across the world.

966
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: While you're in prison, I said, So I would get

967
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: fan mail from other prisoners like, yo, your book changed

968
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: my life, blah blah blah blah blah blah.

969
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 5: And that gave me hope. That's one of the greatest

970
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 5: gifts my mother could have gave me, because I realized,

971
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: you know what, if I can have that kind of

972
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: impact inside of prison, baby, when I get out, let

973
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 5: me tell you what I'm gonna do.

974
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: So that was my mindset.

975
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 5: So that kind of you know, boosted my confidence, and

976
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 5: I started writing. I started a nonprofit organization from bahind bars.

977
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: I got several degrees, I got my associates, my bachelor's,

978
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: my masters, and I started working on my PhD.

979
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: From behind bars, and I started empowering other women. So

980
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 4: I created a movement.

981
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: You know, that's a I mean, we got people right

982
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: Now that's to figure out how to publish a book.

983
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 3: How did you manage to do that in prison?

984
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 4: Reading? Right?

985
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 5: So Damnpointer that that's a if you're looking at self published,

986
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: that's the best guy.

987
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: I got the damn Pointers a guide to self publishing.

988
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: I read it from front cover to back cover, took out.

989
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 5: My highlight, I highlighted all the parts, and then I

990
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 5: kind of instructed my mother on what to do. I'm like,

991
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: all right, Mom, this.

992
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: Is what we gotta do.

993
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 5: We gotta get an ISBN number, now, we gotta get

994
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 5: the copy right Like, I followed the book.

995
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: From step by step and I end up publishing my

996
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: first book like that.

997
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to ask Cash. I don't know if

998
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: you ever heard of him, but he's dope too. He

999
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: came on our podcast and he got a really dope

1000
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: course to teach people how to publish as well. So

1001
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: one thing about the criminal justice system, because we've had

1002
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people on our podcasts that have been incarcerated.

1003
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Wall Street Trapper, he's a real big guy on stock market.

1004
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: He's huge on the internet right now. Caesar, which is

1005
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 2: dj mv's partner, my son, thanks for facilitating that for us.

1006
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Derek Falcon one of our favorite interviews of all time,

1007
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: the long list of entrepreneurs that have been incarcerated, but

1008
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: they've all been men. You're the first female that we've

1009
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: ever had that's been incarcerated. But the thing about jail

1010
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: that people might not understand is that there's different types

1011
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 2: of jails. So there's state penitentiaries. These are like irregular crimes,

1012
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: like you rob somebody, stab somebody, you kill somebody, you

1013
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: go to the state jail. For the most part, you

1014
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: go to state jail. But then a little more or

1015
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: like sophisticated crimes off it's like crossing state lines. Like

1016
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: big drug cases you go to federal that's defense. White

1017
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: colored crawler crimes you go to fess too. So in

1018
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: the fedes, there's different types of fedes jails. I've learned,

1019
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: So you got, you got. Unfortunately, I have a lot

1020
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: of you know, you know, I know a lot of

1021
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: people that have been incarcerated. So you know, if you

1022
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: do a violent federal crime, there's like high level maximum security.

1023
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: But if you do white, white collar crimes that they

1024
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: call it, or low level of fence, then you go

1025
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: to So I was reading this book, The Wolf of

1026
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: Wall streets book, and he was saying, you know, when

1027
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: he first got arrested, and he it was like he

1028
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: thought he was going to go to jail, like how

1029
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: you see you on television where it's like, you know,

1030
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: it's bad, Like you know what I'm saying, Like he

1031
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: was like scared, and he was like when he got there,

1032
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: his his his cellmate was they got from Chichi jong

1033
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: and they was playing tennis, and he was like it

1034
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: was crazy. So he was like it was actually a

1035
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: great networking situation for him. It's like not to glorize it,

1036
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: but it was like he was like, yo, it's actually

1037
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 2: like really pretty powerful. And it's like especially like sometimes

1038
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: you got to make the best out of bad situations.

1039
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: So especially like in the camps. That's what somebody they

1040
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: call like the camps, like for like the low offense,

1041
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: like Federal they call on the camps. So you're in

1042
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: there with a lot of like white collared crime criminals,

1043
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: a lot mostly people are extremely smart, and it's like

1044
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: people from all over the country because the FEDS is

1045
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: not just one state. It's like yeah, so it's actually

1046
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: a very powerful networking opportunity. I mean, you became friends

1047
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: with Laurence Hill, how's that going to happen? Like, you

1048
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, that's kind of crazy. So

1049
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: can you talk about that, like how was that experience?

1050
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: As far as I want.

1051
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 5: To say this right because now it's a difference the

1052
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: Feds back in the days, like in the seventies and eighties,

1053
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 5: you know, Davids tenants, since that shit does not exist.

1054
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: So I just want to be clear that you know

1055
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: you got the camp.

1056
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 5: Now, when I first got locked up, I wasn't eligible

1057
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 5: to go to the camp, and that was because of

1058
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 5: the money amount in my case, my restitution and because

1059
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 5: of the.

1060
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: Length of the sentence I had.

1061
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 5: Right So generally when you got like five years or less,

1062
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 5: they'll let you go to a camp. So I was

1063
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 5: in the sci with killers right when I first got

1064
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 5: to prison, and I had to work my way down.

1065
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 5: There's a point system that you could work your way

1066
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 5: down to a camp.

1067
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 4: Now, a camp is.

1068
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 5: A better situation because it's more freedom, but you still

1069
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 5: are a woman being incarcerated.

1070
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: We don't got tennants.

1071
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 5: We gotta eat what they give us, you know, unless

1072
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 5: you got the hook up and you gotta figure.

1073
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 4: Like it's a whole another you know.

1074
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 5: So I just want to make sure because people think

1075
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 5: of Arange just the new black and camp. We have,

1076
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 5: you know, enjoyable moments and you know, I can tell

1077
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 5: you about some times I had and I had a

1078
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 5: good time.

1079
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: But I want to be clear before somebody want to.

1080
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: Do, oh yeah, no, don't, don't. It's not it's not

1081
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not a it's not a camp.

1082
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: But but but but because even Caesar, even Caesar, he

1083
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: said that's how he got turned onto real estate. He

1084
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: met a guy in jail who was a white collar

1085
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: criminal who was a huge. He was huge, and he

1086
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: was in there for a white collar crime. And long

1087
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: story short, he's taught him real estate in jail and

1088
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: and now he owns the whole Patterson, New Jersey. So

1089
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: I say that to say, yeah, we can never glamorize it,

1090
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: glorize it, but you do meet you can't meet can opportunity,

1091
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: And I did.

1092
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 4: I met senators, state senators.

1093
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 5: I was also locked up with Teresa Judyce from the

1094
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: Housewives of New Jersey. So any of how jail pitchures,

1095
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: you see, I'm in all of them because I helped

1096
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: her stage them. So like I mean me, you know,

1097
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 5: like you're gonna meet some incredible people. And I think

1098
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 5: what it did was it sharpened my networking skills. Right,

1099
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 5: So I have this keen ability. I could be around

1100
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 5: a person for three to five minutes and I could

1101
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 5: tell you, like, you know, if it's gonna be something

1102
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 5: to gain out of the relationship, if it's a situation

1103
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: that could be, you know, an opportunity for us to

1104
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 5: collaborate or do things. And I got that from meeting

1105
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: so many people from so.

1106
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 4: Many different backgrounds.

1107
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 5: So living in close confinements with people from all kinds

1108
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 5: of different nationalities and creeds, you begin to not be

1109
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: so prejudiced or think that your mindset is right because

1110
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: now you engage with people who teach you because you

1111
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 5: were geting to love them. You might need not like

1112
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 5: them at first, but after you spent seven eight years

1113
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 5: I stayed in one prison, you like yo, they become

1114
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 5: your family, so you beulcome open minded to different things,

1115
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: which opens you up to new opportunities.

1116
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: Seeah, speaking of family, right, and now that we just

1117
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 3: spoke about it, it's the first time I'm thinking of it. Right.

1118
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: You're the first woman that we have had on your

1119
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: mother as well, what was the impact on your family

1120
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: outside of jail and how instrumental were they and you

1121
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: getting through this process?

1122
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: They were everything.

1123
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 5: So, like, my kids were nine and eleven when I left,

1124
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 5: and I didn't return to my kids were eighteen and

1125
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 5: twenty one. I missed every graduation, every graduation, right, So

1126
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 5: I finally last year just.

1127
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: Got to go to my son's college graduation.

1128
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: I was the first graduation I got to go to

1129
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 5: as a mom, right because I missed all of those

1130
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 5: crucial years of my kid's life. So it just showed me,

1131
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 5: like I wanted to get this money to because my

1132
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: kids had minks and pry To shoes and Gucci this

1133
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 5: and all this, Like I'm thinking that these things is

1134
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 5: what the kids want, but really the kids just wanted me, right,

1135
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 5: So I hurt the hell out of them by being

1136
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 5: away from them for that many years. But what I

1137
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 5: did do was like the way that I was able

1138
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 5: to cultivate my relationship with them behind bars is I

1139
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 5: helped my kids set up businesses, right, so literally on

1140
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 5: the visiting room floor, I helped my son start his

1141
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 5: clothing line. You know, I was cool with rapper Jada Kiss,

1142
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 5: who ended up helping my son with his rap career,

1143
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 5: and you know what, my daughter's you know, her whole

1144
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 5: thing that she wanted to do with her beauty company.

1145
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 5: So I engage my kids by finding things that they

1146
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 5: like and showing them what was possible while I was

1147
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 5: behind bars, and I gained the great amount of respect

1148
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 5: for them with that, and that was a way that

1149
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 5: I kind of kept the relations and kept myself alive

1150
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 5: doing you know, great things from behind bars.

1151
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: So a lot of times when people come out of jail,

1152
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: if anybody's ever known anybody that's going to jail, especially

1153
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: for a long period of time, it's hard for them

1154
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: to readapt into the world. A lot of times they

1155
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: go back to jail, and even if they don't go

1156
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: back to jail, it's just like they they're never really

1157
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: the same person. They become intitutionalized, and it's hard for them.

1158
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: It's just a lot changes when you're in jail for

1159
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: ten years, nine years. So like when we had Wallow

1160
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: on Shout to Wallow, he was in jail for twenty

1161
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: years and he came out hit the ground running on

1162
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: social media and now he got one of the top

1163
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: podcasts in the world, and he's just they just killing it.

1164
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: So you you know, was being in jail for almost

1165
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: a decade coming out and kind of similar in regards

1166
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 2: to you know, social media, then being on a reality

1167
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: TV show, the top reality TV show Love and Hip Hop.

1168
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: How was that? Like, how did all of that come about?

1169
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: As far as your branding, Like were you working at

1170
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: on the inside or when you got out did you

1171
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: have a strategy? Like what was how did that come about?

1172
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

1173
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 5: So my conversations with Lauren Hill was key, like she

1174
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 5: changed my mindset. Like you know, when you meet somebody

1175
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 5: that you look up to or that you believe in

1176
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 5: and they tell you you got it, it really increases

1177
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 5: your faith to believe. And she suggested, she's like, listen,

1178
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: you around all these stories. Start taking some of these

1179
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 5: women's stories and do something with them. And when she

1180
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 5: told me that, I went ahead and I produced The

1181
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 5: High Price. I had to pay book series, right, and

1182
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 5: that was like telling stories of women serving decade plus sentences.

1183
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 5: So I started getting women comfortable to show their faces.

1184
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: And then we started.

1185
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 5: Staging prison pictures, right, so we would get our makeup done.

1186
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: I had done and our pictures went Bible. So I

1187
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 5: know you didn't seen some of our pictures because our

1188
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 5: pictures were Bible and we was on Baller Alert and

1189
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 5: the Shade Room and everybody like, yo, who these girls

1190
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 5: that looked so pretty in prison? And we did that

1191
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 5: purposely and strategically to show people that, you know, like

1192
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 5: what they think is in prison isn't really in prison.

1193
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 5: And we use that as a way to start telling

1194
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 5: our stories and kind of like from there, Yandy or Smith,

1195
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 5: who's actually my partner now, she found me on social media,

1196
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 5: her and her manager LaToya, and it's all she wrote.

1197
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 5: From there, I came home, CBS called me. I ended

1198
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 5: up doing their Pink Color Crimes. Right after that, b

1199
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 5: Et caught me to do the track Queen series. I'm

1200
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 5: now working with VH one on a whole nother show.

1201
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 5: So it just was like, you know, one way to

1202
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: another to another. But it started with a mindset believing

1203
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 5: that I can seeing my success, knowing that despite the

1204
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: adversity I faced, that no one could deem me dead

1205
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 5: except me.

1206
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: So if I say I failed, then I failed. But

1207
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: if I say I succeed and look for the good

1208
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: in a bad situation, I can find it. And that's

1209
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 4: my mindset now and even during this pandemic.

1210
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 5: I had to adapt back to that like finding the

1211
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 5: good in every situation, purposely looking forward and not stopping

1212
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 5: that search.

1213
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: Until you find.

1214
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. One of the most admirable things I think what

1215
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 3: you're doing, and I applaud you for it, is going

1216
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: back and going into schools and telling your story and

1217
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: providing education to children. And I know you have a

1218
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 3: program you want you want to talk about what you've

1219
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: been doing in schools.

1220
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: Yes, So basically, now I told you guys, I was

1221
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 5: like the prison clerk, right, So the recreation clerk was

1222
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: the person who developed curriculum to help keep women programming

1223
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 5: and out of trouble and just to have a good morale,

1224
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 5: like to keep the spirits up while incarcerated. Never did

1225
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: I dream in a million years that that skill set

1226
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 5: would prepare me to establish a multimillion dollar educational consulting firm.

1227
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 4: And basically what I do now is I develop programs

1228
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: for schools, for cities, for communities, and I teach them

1229
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: ways through my curriculum how to engage high risk individuals

1230
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: or at risk individuals, and I show people what's possible.

1231
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 4: And what we do is pair them up with celebrities

1232
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 4: and other influences. So kind of like what Lauren did

1233
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: for me.

1234
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 5: Right, I was in my situation and I didn't know

1235
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: I could, if I could come out or not.

1236
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 4: She gave me hope. So I use people that other people.

1237
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 5: Look up to to implement the curriculums that I create.

1238
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 5: And we, you know, we inspire so many people to

1239
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 5: push past their fears, push past their pain, and make

1240
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 5: it onto on time.

1241
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this as far as because

1242
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: obviously you have a brilliant mind, and you knew a

1243
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: lot about real estate. You had to know a lot

1244
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: about real estate, and I'm sure you learned a lot

1245
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: are you Are you still involved in real estate now?

1246
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: Are you able to be an investor? I don't think

1247
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 2: you can. They can stop you from being an investor.

1248
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Caesar is an investor. Shot out to Season.

1249
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep I don't keep making I

1250
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: don't want to throw Season under the bus. But he's

1251
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: just his name, his name comes to mind.

1252
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 4: He made it.

1253
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 5: So that it that it's against it's a violation for

1254
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 5: me to operate in the realm of real estate. Right,

1255
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: So that was another purposeful band. So, by the way,

1256
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 5: I got a twelve and a half million, not a restitution, Right,

1257
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 5: I got a twelve and a half year sentence, a

1258
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 5: twelve and a half year restitution, and then I got

1259
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 5: a ban to be banned from real estate.

1260
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 4: Right. I think that that was the thing, Like, Okay, if.

1261
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 5: We take this away from her, she won't know how

1262
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 5: to generate that money again. But the thing about me

1263
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: is you put me wherever, and you showed me the system.

1264
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna figure it out. So I just was able

1265
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: to adapt to other things. So right now, currently, while

1266
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 5: I'm on federal probation they call it because we don't

1267
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 5: have parole in the federal system, I'm not able to

1268
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 5: operate in the practice of real estate. However, I know

1269
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 5: a lot about it, and one day I'll be able

1270
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 5: to operate in the realm.

1271
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: Put me anyway on God's green earth from a triple

1272
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 3: my word.

1273
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: So that the twelve million restitution, you have to pay

1274
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars back? Yes, So how does that work?

1275
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 5: It just it just has to work like so for me,

1276
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 5: Like I put not too much emphasis on it, because

1277
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 5: I got one hundred.

1278
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 4: Million dollar plan five years a hundred million. I'm gonna

1279
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: figure it out.

1280
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: Like to me, like, I can't let that barrier block me,

1281
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: because if you think about it, that was really.

1282
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: A life sentence that you issue on somebody.

1283
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: So not only do I gotta do the time I

1284
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: got this judgment, that's a federal judgment, lean over my

1285
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 5: hand right until I pay it all because it doesn't disappear.

1286
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 5: Bankruptcy doesn't take it away. Time doesn't take it away.

1287
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 5: So with that said, I had to position my mindset

1288
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 5: to take it away. Okay, twelve and a half that's life,

1289
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 5: that's that's short points. I'm gonna get to it, you know,

1290
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 5: And I gotta get back out here and do what

1291
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: I do and figure that out. Because but I feel

1292
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 5: like one day that whole story and the corruption of

1293
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 5: that whole thing that happened to me will unfold and

1294
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 5: maybe that twelve and a half years, I mean twelve

1295
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 5: and a half and a half million dollar restitution will

1296
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 5: you know, have to go away.

1297
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: But if not, I guess I have to pay that.

1298
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: The federal government just collects down with.

1299
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 4: The monthly monthly day. I have a set order.

1300
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 5: They take money from me, and according to my income,

1301
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 5: my earnable income wages, they are able to come in

1302
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 5: at any point and take whatever they can.

1303
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: It's like child support kind of a portion of area.

1304
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 4: Baby daddy to have or the federal government.

1305
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's an expensive change. So I mean that's

1306
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: how do you sold all right, as far as criminal

1307
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: justice reformed, right, because it's like we spoke with my

1308
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: saunt who did seven years, seven seven years for ten dollars.

1309
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: I think they he said that they didn't commit but

1310
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: even I mean even without not committing the crime, and

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Speaker 2: think it was like robbing a cab driver of ten dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's what he was accused though, robbing a cab drive

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Speaker 2: of ten dollars. You, like I said, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: you admitted that you you did a crime. Right, We're

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Speaker 2: not saying that you didn't do a crime, but I

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Speaker 2: mean you didn't hurt anybody. You didn't, you know, nobody

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Speaker 2: died anything. So and like I said, I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: people during that financial crisis that frauded hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars that got probation.

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Speaker 3: That So someone argue that you help people, right, I

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Speaker 3: saw on one article they were calling you the black robberhood.

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Speaker 4: I mean I did help a lot of people. Truth

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Speaker 4: is I've helped a lot of my people become homeowners.

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Speaker 4: I educated them on credit, and to be honest with you,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get back into that.

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Speaker 5: MG the mortgage guy, he and I did a live

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Speaker 5: yeah recently, he actually empowered some students and I realized

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Speaker 5: I have a gift to be able to help my people,

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Speaker 5: and I got to figure out how to do that

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Speaker 5: because it's necessary, you know.

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Speaker 2: So how do we fix this crime? Because that's another

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Speaker 2: thing we didn't talk about as well. You're you're an app,

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Speaker 2: you're and activists, So how do we fix this criminal

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Speaker 2: justice system that's broken? It's a double standard, and obviously,

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Speaker 2: like cases like yours, my son is obvious that it's

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Speaker 2: not the same punishment for the same crime depending on

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Speaker 2: people's skin color. So what's the what's what's what's some

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Speaker 2: of the things we can do?

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Speaker 5: Media and people might laugh at that, like what do

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Speaker 5: you mean? Like you just kind of look at the

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Speaker 5: recent cases. Right when people start seeing outrageous stuff and

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Speaker 5: we start making it go viral, people lift up their

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Speaker 5: mouths and start speaking out.

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Speaker 4: And when you speak out, things happen.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I'm an activist today because I know

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Speaker 5: that you gotta use your voice.

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Speaker 4: A closed mouth does not get fat.

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Speaker 5: I feel like the more people keep seeing the injustices,

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Speaker 5: the more we're gonna fight, the more we're gonna demand

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Speaker 5: that the laws, you know, be changed. And it won't

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Speaker 5: happen tomorrow morning, but eventually, every day it gets better,

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Speaker 5: it gets better. It gets better, it gets better. And

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Speaker 5: when we join forces and we galvanize, then people get

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Speaker 5: to know, don't play with us, because we can mess

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Speaker 5: with people in different ways and it doesn't have to

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Speaker 5: necessarily just be like people think, Oh, I gotta kill

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Speaker 5: you to hurt you. Nah, you feel me. You start

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Speaker 5: surrounding the folks house. You see in Georgia what they

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Speaker 5: did right to be arrested. The people folks started surrounding

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Speaker 5: the houses with signs like listen, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: There's a way to get folks attention to make the move.

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Speaker 5: It's just about using your mind and being strategic about it.

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Speaker 5: And I feel like we are gaining some progress and

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Speaker 5: I feel like in time it will happen. But we

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Speaker 5: have to unify as a people and teach people how

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Speaker 5: to treat us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know. One of the takeaways

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Speaker 2: that I get from your story and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: other stories. Is like, you know, a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: you know sometimes are our best talent is in jail

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Speaker 2: because you know they might not have had the same

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Speaker 2: opportunities resource somebody else might have, like you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, and everything happens for a reason in

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Speaker 2: life and you can never you know, blame anybody or anything.

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Speaker 2: But it just goes to show you that, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't be so quick to just you know, look down

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Speaker 2: on somebody or discard somebody because a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are really smart people that just make mistakes, and everybody

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01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: makes mistakes and just you know, different opportunities, different you know,

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Speaker 2: different life paths. Who knows, Wall Street Trapper might be

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: the CEO of a fortune five hundred company right now,

1382
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: like you know, if he wasn't if he didn't grow

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: up in Louisiana. Like so, so it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: stories like yours, I think is important to show that

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Speaker 2: a it's never over, like you can always you know,

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Speaker 2: change your life. And also to just show people that

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's great to have that ambition, but

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01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: maybe just funnel it in a more straight arrow and

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: take a little it takes a little longer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the climbing up the stays gonna take a

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Speaker 3: little bit longer. Yeah, it's worth it.

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Speaker 2: It's worth it in the longer you're gonna keep it.

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Speaker 5: So now, like I just came home, I just got

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Speaker 5: a condo, right, but literally the condo I moved back

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Speaker 5: in the community that I bought a condo in when

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Speaker 5: I was twenty one. You know, I'm doubled at age now, right,

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Speaker 5: so I'm starting.

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Speaker 4: Over whereas I could have did things the right way.

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Speaker 4: It's just crazy, you know. So for some people, they

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01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 4: look at me and they're like, oh my god, you're

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 4: doing so well, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at my stuff like, oh baby, bom, this

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 5: is this is you know, I'm grateful, but yeah, this.

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Speaker 4: Is not new for me, you know.

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 5: But had I done things the right way, no one

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Speaker 5: would have been able to take away what I worked for.

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Speaker 4: So that's important. That's why I tell people, take your

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Speaker 4: time and get it right.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: we got a chance to have this conversation.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be excited about this one.

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Speaker 2: To anything that you want to make the public aware of,

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Speaker 2: any initiatives any I know your book, your book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got something dropping very shortly.

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Speaker 2: That's our book took Yeah, talk about that, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: I literally wrote this book about nine years ago when

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Speaker 5: I was in federal prison trying to figure it out,

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Speaker 5: when my mom was all messed up and I thought

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Speaker 5: I was gonna die and I didn't know how I

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Speaker 5: was avived a decade, you know, in federal prison, and

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Speaker 5: this particular book was the road map that.

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Speaker 4: God literally literally gave me to change my mindset.

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 5: How could I take these disgusting limits that they gave me,

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 5: you know, and turn them into sweet lemonade.

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Speaker 4: So I outline the points in my books.

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Speaker 5: It's the twelve points, the turning a setback into a

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01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 5: major comeback. So you know, you gotta check it out.

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01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 5: It's coming out on June thirteenth. I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 5: big virtual book signing. You know, we gotta do everything

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 5: virtual now. I'm gonna have incredible phenomenal speakers coming to

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Speaker 5: talking and power people and it's just good fuel, good

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Speaker 5: food for the salt, inspiration.

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Speaker 2: What your social media handles and are you coming back

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01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: on love and hip hop? Is that gonna happen On,

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01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, it needs my partner.

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Speaker 5: So I get on Love and Hip Hop by Happenstance

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01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 5: because they follow her real life and together we're in

1439
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 5: the schools, we're together on you know, doing activism. So

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Speaker 5: I kind of get into that because I'm just there

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 5: and it just is I'm a part of her storyline

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 5: because I'm a part of her life. So yeah, that

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01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 5: I'm most likely wherever she's at, you're gonna pretty much

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Speaker 5: see me, you know. And then, like I said, there's

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Speaker 5: a new show coming out on VH one and I'm

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 5: gonna be featured on, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 4: I'm not privileged to, you know, release all the.

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 5: Details right now, but that's coming up, and it's just

1449
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 5: so much going on. But you know, even our activism,

1450
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 5: check that out. Forget the shows.

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01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're join us on the front line. You know,

1452
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 4: we've been there.

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 5: We was there for MDC when they turned the lights

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 5: and the heat on, we came. We rallied around the

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Speaker 5: jail and guess what, we got the lights in the

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Speaker 5: heat back on. So that's what we do. We moves

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Speaker 5: and we shake its. We fight for our people because

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Speaker 5: we love our people. Staying with us follow me. You

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Speaker 5: can follow me on social media.

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Speaker 4: My Instagram and Twitter handle is at Jamilla T. Davis.

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Speaker 4: That's JA M I l A. T.

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Speaker 5: Davis and I'm on I'm on Facebook at author Jamiller T.

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Speaker 4: Davis. You know, check me out and follow me, guys,

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Speaker 4: and follow the movement and join it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Troy housekeeping it one.

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