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Speaker 1: It is officially Draft week. Finally, welcome bird Gang. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Paul Calves he joins me, we talked draft,

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Speaker 1: which is now only three days away. What's the latest buzz?

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Speaker 1: What can we learn from the report of thirty visits?

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Speaker 1: And might the Cardinals have a coaching staff advantage when

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Speaker 1: it comes to evaluating draft prospects? First though, we light

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Speaker 1: the dorch. Greg Dortch is back. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode eight seventy one, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Buona Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 3: so more hurry magic whow Here's Craig Tree Alert.

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Speaker 1: It is officially Draft week, three days until the Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Titans are on the clock. And I believe Paul, you

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Speaker 1: are the first person that I heard mention this. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing it all over the place. Every team as

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Speaker 1: we speak here on Monday, April twenty first still has

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Speaker 1: its own first round pick, which is a first in

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Speaker 1: what the league is calling the common Era.

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Speaker 3: So is this like a pent up demand, the calm

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Speaker 3: before the storm before the chaos. If you ever lived

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Speaker 3: in the Midwest, spring fever is very real, and is

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Speaker 3: this going to be the equivalent infinitely enough Green Bay, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: where all of a sudden everyone loses their mind. It's

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Speaker 3: this syndrome where you get the first nice, warm, sunny

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Speaker 3: day after six months of winter and everybody goes berserk. Basically,

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Speaker 3: is that going to happen on Thursday night? Draft Day?

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Speaker 3: Round one?

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Speaker 1: That's I think is what a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: one about. Because in addition to every team right now

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Speaker 1: So typically you always have a team trade up and

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Speaker 1: that sacrifices a pick in a future first but none

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Speaker 1: of that has happened, and you have to go back

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Speaker 1: to twenty fourteen. If nothing happens between now and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: that things have quote unquote been quiet between teams with

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Speaker 3: Is this just a symptom of a draft that Daniel Jeremiah,

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Speaker 3: for example, describes as really more about starters than stars.

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Speaker 3: So if there's a lot of players unequal footing, then

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Speaker 3: why is there a need to trade up? Because you

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Speaker 3: can't trade down unless somebody wants to come up. And

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing a lot of teams would rather go down

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Speaker 3: nobody's willing to come up, you get a lack of action.

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Speaker 3: Right you got to have the supply and the demand,

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Speaker 3: and right now, not a lot of demand to come

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Speaker 3: up unless unless Greg maybe just maybe on draft night,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, wait a minute, Shador Sanders is falling,

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Jackson Dart is climbing. There's always teams

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Speaker 3: who are so desperate for a quarterback, and by my count,

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Speaker 3: there's at least a half dozen right now speaking or

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Speaker 3: losing your mind, whether it's spring fever or not, by

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Speaker 3: most important position in sports, quarterback, And sometimes your desperation

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Speaker 3: will outweigh your reasoning, and so someone will come up

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Speaker 3: that's why I do not. I do not dismiss the

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Speaker 3: possibility the Cardinals trading out of sixteen, if indeed should do,

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Speaker 1: Why is Jalen.

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Speaker 3: Milroe going to Green Bay? Why maybe he just.

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Speaker 1: Wants to be a part of the atmosphere on day two?

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Speaker 3: Are you telling I don't know? You see, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers back in the day and just plumbing throughout

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Speaker 3: the entirety of Will Levis. So something's going on here,

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Speaker 3: And I'm real curious. I'm real curious. Somebody makes the

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Speaker 1: You bring up quarterback, And I think that's another reason

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Speaker 3: Wow this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, all of a sudden Okay, Well that means

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Speaker 3: I saw her Daniel Jeremiah released his top one fifty

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Speaker 1: By the way, Travis Hunter, when he gets announced on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting is, you know, we've had both had the

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Speaker 3: pleasure to interview Roy Green over the last month or so,

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Legend Ring of Honor member, and look it up.

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Speaker 3: Really the only legitimate com to what Travis Hunter is

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Speaker 3: he's gonna have to choose, and then if he dabbles

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Speaker 1: Really good conversation you and Zach had with Roy last

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Speaker 1: or Azycardinals dot com for Roy's perspective on what Travis

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Speaker 1: Hunter hopes to do in the NFL. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: Roy Green wide receiver, how about before we get further

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Speaker 1: into this draft talk, there was a roster move that

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Speaker 1: I thought we all we all knew was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but has become official late last week. Greg Dertsch has

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Speaker 1: but now he becomes the tenth wide receiver under contract

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals obviously see something in him, Paul, Now, is

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Speaker 1: Because I know we've talked a lot about needing, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Some people believe maybe you do need that number two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are all valid questions. That's a student analysis,

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Speaker 3: I would say on Greg Dortch in terms of pushing

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Speaker 3: I think he's also competing against this stereotype that a

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Speaker 3: couple of games where there was increased chemistry and targets

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Speaker 1: You mentioned dorts those last couple of games. I broke

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Speaker 1: down his game by game overall last season three thirty

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Speaker 1: seven catches, three hundred and forty two yards and a

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Speaker 1: your point, was something unlocked there? Obviously? Kyler trusts Dorch.

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Speaker 1: The big thing is, and we've heard it now for

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Speaker 1: the other stuff? It's not just catch the ball or,

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Speaker 1: Are you able to block so you're not just on

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Speaker 1: most likely the pass is going to be going to him.

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Speaker 1: and I think that's always been what is held Dorsch

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Speaker 1: He not only became a front office member, but he

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Speaker 1: on Thursday for the Cardinals official draft party. Admission is free,

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Speaker 1: Parking is free. You do need to register digital tickets

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Speaker 1: that is Thursday. And then another Cardinals legend is going

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Speaker 1: talked about as far as what this team is looking

434
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: for as far as needs, and then what this draft

435
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: is heavy And yeah, there are great running backs in

436
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: this draft class, but I think the Cardinals are pretty

437
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: well stocked at the running back position, maybe not so

438
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: much at defensive line as far as defensive end or

439
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: outside linebackers. So Okay, let's take a little bit more

440
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: of further examination, if you will, on a handful of

441
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: these prospects, to see how they interact when they get

442
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: into the building. What kind of person are they, not

443
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: just with the coaches, but the behind the scenes people

444
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: as well that you're gonna have interaction with. Do you

445
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: interact with people well, because again it's the person then

446
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: the player, And as JG said, what role do you

447
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: have on this team?

448
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: You know, there are a few names that jump off

449
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: this list to me because I firmly believe if you're

450
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: gonna go D line at sixteen, if there's an edge

451
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: guy there, that's where the Cardinals will go. Not only

452
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: because really deep right now in the D line room. Now, look,

453
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: I but Kenneth Grant is there, and you think he's

454
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: a game wrecking three technique. I could easily see that.

455
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: But in the pecking order and food chain in the NFL,

456
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: it's quarterback. Get to the quarterback, protect that quarterback. So

457
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: when I see Jalen Walker and Michael Williams, the two

458
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, edge guys from George on the list, to me,

459
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: that makes sense. When James Pierce Junior the defensive end

460
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 3: out of Tennessee is on this list. Has all the measurables,

461
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: has all the speed. He was a full second plus

462
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: faster than anyone else at his position group at the Combine.

463
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: But there's some questions going back through his college career.

464
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: It would make sense you bring in a James Pierce junior.

465
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: We need more homework with this guy. We want this

466
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: guy in the building for a full day. What is

467
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: he truly like? That makes sense to me. A Walter Nolan,

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 3: who you know, there's various reports about Walter Nolan, but

469
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 3: everyone agrees is ridiculously talented and has a great motor

470
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: as a defensive tackle. All right, what's he like? And

471
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: then there's someone else on this list that I find

472
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 3: very intriguing because if you believe the mock drafts, the

473
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: Cardinals are either going to draft one of the following

474
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: six positions offensive guard, offensive tackle, d line, edge, corner, receiver.

475
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: What about Mike linebacker?

476
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: Careful Paul?

477
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: What about Jahad Campbell on this list? What about this

478
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: all American dude from Alabama who's six', three runs a

479
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: four five forty and could be the captain and play

480
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: caller of your defense for the next. DECADE i think

481
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: the sleeper position right now for The Arizona cardinals is middle?

482
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: Linebacker who? Is it doesn't appear to Be Kaisier. White

483
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: i'm guessing they'd already have a deal.

484
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: Done maybe.

485
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: Not maybe after the draft that position isn't. Addressed maybe

486
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 3: they get back, together they arrive at a. Deal but

487
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: Could Jahad campbell the sleeper that no one AND i

488
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: mean no one THAT i have seen has talked about

489
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 3: or mocked to The Arizona cardinals.

490
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Mocked not so. Much but, again going back To Albert

491
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: Breer's monday, column he wrote, this AND i found it

492
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: interesting because he did bring Up Jahad campbell and mentioned

493
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: that he would be quote an excellent fit for WHAT

494
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: Gm Montijasin ford and Coach Jonathan gannon have emphasized in

495
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: their first two. Years he's, tough, smart and, versatile capable

496
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: of playing off the ball and on the. Edge NOW

497
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: i read, that and for long Time cardinal fans it's. Okay,

498
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: Well Zavian, Collins Isaiah, Simmons Hassan reddick been, there done.

499
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: That the versatility of a middle linebacker slash outside? Linebacker what? Position?

500
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: What going back To JG's, thoughts what role do they

501
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: see For Jahad campbell or someone who has that. Versatility

502
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: again we talk about it along the offensive, line defensive,

503
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: line but do you want someone who can just play mike,

504
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: linebacker someone who can just rush the? Quarterback or in

505
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: the case Of Avon, collins do you want someone that

506
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to figure out where they are best.

507
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Suited AND i think that's Where cardinal fans when you

508
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: bring up A Jihad, campbell it's like now again different front.

509
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Office yet at the same, time It's, okay there's gonna

510
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: be a lot of are we doing this? Again, really

511
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this? Again AND i get. It YET

512
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: i would think THAT mani has earned the trust that

513
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: if that is the pick or a player like, that

514
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: then again going back to one good, person good, Player

515
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: and YET. Jg Nick rowlis knows what to do with

516
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: a player with that kind of, Versatility.

517
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: And you, know it's a great. OBSERVATION i would say

518
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 3: the difference versus A Hassan reddick was when he entered

519
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: THE nfl he had never played off the ball. Linebacker,

520
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: ever like he had to, Learn, okay as an inside,

521
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: linebacker what are my keys against just a basic power rushing.

522
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: ATTACK i mean he was starting from ground. Zero Johd

523
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: campbell at least has played a lot of middle linebacker

524
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: and has those INSTINCTS i would presume playing that. Position

525
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: but at the same, time to your, point he has that,

526
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: flexibility that versatility that A Mack wilson senior. Has is

527
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: he going to be an inside off the ball linebacker

528
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: or wait a, minute it's third and, eleven he's coming

529
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: off the. Edge and what Has Matthew stafford said about

530
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: The cardinals, defense at least last year leaning up to the, Rematch,

531
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: hey this defense is really. Dynamic you're never quite sure

532
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: what you're looking. At you're never quite sure based on

533
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: the personnel what you're going to. Get it's really difficult

534
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: to decipher based on the personnel what sort of scheme

535
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: they're going to. Run because these guys do so many different.

536
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: Things it appears to be THE. Jg nick rollis. Way

537
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: so If Jod campbell is one of those guys who

538
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: in a certain situation could come off the edge Like zay,

539
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: mccollins or drop back and being off the ball, linebacker

540
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: and maybe as he gets a little older and loses

541
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: half a, step he's strictly middle. Linebacker but as a,

542
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: rookie especially when it's so, easy just say go get,

543
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: them unleash them off the, edge, right don't, think just.

544
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: PLAY i could definitely see that as a role if

545
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: they draft Joh Hot. Campbell two other.

546
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Names of note on this top thirty visit list both offensive,

547
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: Tackles Josh simmons out Of Ohio state and Ariantae ursery

548
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: out Of. Minnesota WHY i highlight those two, Names, well

549
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: take a look at This cardinals coaching staff and the

550
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: new coaches that they brought. In Justin, fry your offensive line,

551
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: coach where's he From Ohio? State on the other, side

552
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: your defensive line, coach Coach, debo where's he From? Minnesota

553
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: so now all of a, sudden there's more intel not

554
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: only on the, Player, paul but the. Person and it

555
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: goes back to bringing in good people into this locker.

556
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Room and is it the be all end all if

557
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: you have a connection on the coaching. Staff, no but

558
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't. Hurt AND i think we've seen Even

559
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: JG's original coaching staff on how many people he brought

560
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: in from the college. Ranks not a lot of LONGTIME nfl,

561
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: assistance but he dipped his hand into the college. Ranks

562
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: did it again this offseason when there were some. Openings

563
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: is it with an eye towards these new players that

564
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: are coming into the.

565
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: League and you know What justin fry told us sitting

566
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: right here in this seed, that oh, yeah if they

567
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: asked for my, Opinion i'll have an opinion not only

568
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: in the GUYS i, coached but the GUYS i went,

569
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: against guys THAT i saw in other, Programs GUYS i

570
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: would study an entire week getting ready to play those.

571
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: Guys so your darn tooton that The cardinals new d

572
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: line coach and offensive line, coach both from The Big.

573
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: Ten and Then Justin, frye having competed in the postseason

574
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: all the way to a national, championship went against a

575
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: lot of big programs and had his study the elite

576
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: of the elite from THE sec and. Beyond and so

577
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: they definitely have a familiarity with a lot of these,

578
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: players guys who have played three years in the college.

579
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: Games so they may not have gone against them last,

580
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: year but maybe the season. Before and it's all, About,

581
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: okay who gave us a? Headache you, know who was

582
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: really problematic to block or who was really problematic to

583
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: game against and. Boom you, KNOW i can give A

584
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: mania support To Dave sears at least a little bit

585
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: of extra. Intel go back watch some of the, film

586
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: dig a little. DEEPER i know When Jonathan gannon mentioned

587
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: that at the press, Conference mania support right alongside was nodding.

588
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: Accordingly there's no doubt they are getting value from those

589
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: college coaches because they're so fresh out of the.

590
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: GAME i also got to shout out Alec, osborne your

591
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: new defensive quality control. Coach he's been on the college

592
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: level the past eight, years including stops At baylor AND

593
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: lsu AND Dj, gillens The Bill Bedwell fellowship coach six

594
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: years on the college. Level so, again interactions with these

595
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: draft prospects where they're either tangible meaning like you've coached,

596
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: them or you ran into them along those coaching circuits

597
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: Or All star, games or you least people talk and

598
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: whether it was another coach or another, player and you

599
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: get to know a little bit more information on these

600
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: draft prospects and why so much about these thirty. Visits,

601
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: well most likely if The cardinals brought a player, in

602
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: they're going to draft, them because you look Back paul

603
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty. Three Paris Johnson, Junior Garrett, Williams

604
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: Key Trow clark all had thirty. Visits last year at

605
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Matej Max Mountain Rabbit Savior Thomas all had thirty. Visits.

606
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: Wow, Interesting well you look at the offensive tackles on

607
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: this list right you, mentioned you, Know Calvin banks, junior

608
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: and Then Josh simmons and then a new name for,

609
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: Me Anthony belton out Of North Carolina state six six

610
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: three thirty something starting right. Tackle all three of those

611
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: guys have the ability to play. Guard it would make

612
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: so much sense to have a guy come in round,

613
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: one around two who could buy for a starting guard

614
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: position right out of the, gate and then maybe in year,

615
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: two year, three After Jonah williams or however you want

616
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: to you, know account for, it, boom all of a,

617
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: sudden they have the ability to move out to right,

618
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: tackle for. Example i've even seen some projections That Calvin

619
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: Banks junior would come in be a starting guard and

620
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: next year go to left. Tackle, YEAH i don't like that.

621
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: One And Paris Johnson junior back to right. Tackle let

622
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: me tell.

623
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: YOU i don't like that.

624
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: One you got to be a, dude you would have

625
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: to really be a dude to Move Paris Johnson junior

626
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: back to right. Tackle BUT i love the competition aspect

627
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: of that because you would get the best out of both.

628
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: Players of that indeed is the, Case but that whole

629
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: line of, THINKING i believe is. Sound if you can

630
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: get a guy who can play guard for at least

631
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: maybe the year or two and be that guy be

632
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: a starter from day one the moment he gets off the,

633
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: plane but then has a future at one of the tackle,

634
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: spots that's a win.

635
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Win and you look at, again we're talking about right.

636
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Guard now we presume That Evan brown will stay on

637
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the left, side but you have an, opening and regardless

638
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: of which side that you bring in a young player

639
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: and you got yellow to for a hole on one,

640
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: side and then whether It's Kelvin beacham Or Joana, williams

641
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: but on their, health that's a veteran on the other. Side,

642
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: now all of a, sudden as a, rookie your eyes

643
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: aren't nearly as wide when you break the. Huddle maybe

644
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: there's not nearly as much information that you're trying to.

645
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Process because get a guy in your left or right

646
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: tapping you a little bit and making, sure you know

647
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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to, go who you're supposed to. Block

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Speaker 1: and then as you get a little bit up to

649
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Speaker 1: speed with the, game maybe by week, ten, eleven and,

650
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: twelve things are coming a little bit quicker for. You

651
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: you're processing, quicker and then, okay let me kick you

652
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: out to tackle to where we see you as our

653
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: long term. Solution and you, know it's.

654
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Speaker 3: Really easy to look at some of these guys in the,

655
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Speaker 3: draft especially first and second, rounders and automatically pencil them

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Speaker 3: in as. Starters and, Look i'll put my hand up

657
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: in the air and volunteer myself as someone who was

658
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: guilty of that a year. Ago and then you, Realize,

659
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Speaker 3: okay in training, camp guess What Max maulton is learning

660
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 3: a radically different approach to playing defensive. Back it's a different, System.

661
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: RABBIT i remember talking To. Rabbit it was Mid, december

662
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Speaker 3: and he said he was finally truly getting a grasp

663
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Speaker 3: on what he called such a different system than he

664
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Speaker 3: had ever played in. College so there really is an

665
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Speaker 3: extraordinary learning. Curve What Paris Johnson junior did the year

666
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Speaker 3: before in twenty three playing every single offensive snap is

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Speaker 3: such a, rarity is such an. Exception i've read into

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Speaker 3: that and sort of extrapolated that into nearly the entire

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Speaker 3: draft class last, season and you just can't do. That

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Speaker 3: so for that, reason you, said, yes it can be

671
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Speaker 3: much more of a process in a learning curve in year.

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Speaker 3: One but that's Why Kalais campbell in THE d line

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Speaker 3: ROOM i think so. Valuable Calvin beacham in THE o

674
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Speaker 3: line room is so. VALUABLE i remember it was the

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Speaker 3: end of the season last, Year Calvin beacham meeting the

676
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Speaker 3: me and somebody asked them About Christian jones And Isaiah.

677
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Speaker 3: Adams he went into this extended analysis of the two,

678
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: rookies and he did it as if he was the online.

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Speaker 3: Coach it was really, interesting but that's what he. Is

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Speaker 3: he's sort of a de facto coach in that.

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Speaker 1: Room, look we did it With, marvin we did it

682
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Speaker 1: With Darius, robinson AND mhj even said that first week

683
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Speaker 1: In buffalo things were going a mile a minute and

684
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: for d rob unfortunately he gets. Hurt we don't quite

685
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: know what he would have been able to do out

686
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: of the, gate considering how dominant he was in training

687
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Speaker 1: camp and only PLAN i believe was nine or ten

688
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: STAPs in, preseason saw enough of, him and Again i'm

689
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: right there with you because it's the shiny new, object

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00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: it's the new. Toy let's go see what this, individual

691
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: this draft prospect can. Do and then all of a

692
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: sudden's like, wait reality sometimes hits you in the face because,

693
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: yeah they played at the highest level in, college yet

694
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Speaker 1: there is still a significant step up in talent and

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Speaker 1: speed of the, game the, physicality and then just how

696
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: quickly you have to process thing becomes more of a

697
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: mental game than a physical, game at LEAST i think

698
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: on THE nfl. Level and it does take a little,

699
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Speaker 1: while maybe an entire full season for some of these

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Speaker 1: rookies to kind of really get adjusted to what they

701
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Speaker 1: need to.

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Speaker 3: DO i, mean you look at this step chart right,

703
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Speaker 3: now where's the greatest? Need forget about, want where's the greatest.

704
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: Need you could argue middle linebacker is maybe the biggest.

705
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Speaker 3: Need but are you going to take a rookie and

706
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Speaker 3: put him a middle linebacker from day, one week, one

707
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: calling the defense wearing the green. Dot he's never seen

708
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: what A Kyle shanahan could, present what A sean McVay

709
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: could offer. Up that is a tremendous. Task mentally just

710
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 3: to be able to compete against some of, these you,

711
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: know the best minds in the. Business so with that in, mind,

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Speaker 3: YEAH i gotta remind, MYSELF pauli pump your brakes draft all,

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Speaker 3: right these, guys you know they're gonna be a lot

714
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Speaker 3: of these guys will still be great, players but it

715
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Speaker 3: just takes a little more. Time and in this microwave,

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Speaker 3: Society i'm guilty as anyone of just automatically pencil in

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Speaker 3: for instant.

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Speaker 1: Production speaking of reminding you on, Things, paul, uh this

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Speaker 1: is a reminder to All cardinal fans if you would

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Speaker 1: like to win A Kyler murray autograph. Football, Now paul

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Speaker 1: AND i are unfortunately we are ineligible for, this but

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Speaker 1: you off. There if you want A k one autograph,

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Speaker 1: if we can get maybe an autograph football amongst the

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Speaker 1: quote unquote talent here, myself You Darren, ZACH i mean

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Speaker 1: any we just what do you think that would go?

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Speaker 1: For can we can we add that to The Kyler

733
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Speaker 1: murray autograph? Football you think we're just devaluating. OURSELVES i

734
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Speaker 1: can throw it into the crowd at the draft. Party

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Speaker 1: oh there you go.

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Speaker 3: Again then Maybe Adrian wilson will throw me into the,

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Speaker 3: crowd BUT i might get that football thrown back At,

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Speaker 3: yea that's, Right that's that's. True so, yeah that and you,

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Speaker 3: know then they can take that football and actually get

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Speaker 3: player autographs on. It so that's probably what yeah obviously really.

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Speaker 3: Want oh, boy, yeah you got a Gut, Craig i'm asking,

742
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Speaker 3: you you got a gut. Feeling as we get. It

743
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Speaker 3: where do you think The cardinals are? Going it's sixteen,

744
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: overall you, know forget about quarterbacking this. THING i want

745
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: some input from. You where what does Your Craig griolu

746
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Speaker 3: mock draft? Say right?

747
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Speaker 1: Now i'm gonna say, Defense and if you're gonna ask

748
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Speaker 1: me to go even, Further i'm gonna say defensive. Front

749
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Speaker 1: you Know i'm gonna go even further than. That i'm

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00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, edge whether that is defensive end or outside,

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00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: linebacker because when you say, EDGE i think a lot

752
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: of people depending on what kind of defense you play

753
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: for three three, Four BUT i could With Nick, rolis

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Speaker 1: if you have a hand in the dirt or, not

755
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: or you're a stand, up you're gonna get after the,

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Speaker 1: quarterback get into the. BACKFIELD i think that's Where i've

757
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Speaker 1: come From january to, now is it's going to be

758
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Speaker 1: someone that can get after the opposing. Quarterback, yeah you Got,

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Speaker 1: joshwtt you Got Baron, browning and you're kind of don't

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Speaker 1: quite know about B Joe jalari And Xavier thomas and

761
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Speaker 1: everyone else in that. Room And Baron browning only re

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Speaker 1: signed for two. Years Josh, Wett, yeah it's a four year,

763
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Speaker 1: deal but if you were a look at, it it's

764
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Speaker 1: a two year. Deal so, again the draft is more

765
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: about not just this, season but seasons to. Come you.

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Speaker 3: KNOW i like, that and for me it would sort

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Speaker 3: of bring me full circle because when we started this

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Speaker 3: whole process kind of in Late january or, so that's

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Speaker 3: where we're. Thinking we were thinking, edge, right and then

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Speaker 3: you get distracted and your interests and your thoughts and

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Speaker 3: your strategies sort of go. Astray but now you come

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Speaker 3: back all the way full. Circle what The rams did

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Speaker 3: last year a verse and they got him in, nineteen well?

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Speaker 3: Done can you do something? Similar is it A James

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Speaker 3: pearce junior for example at sixteen? Overall AND i do

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00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: agree with. You you, know if you can find a

777
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: guy who has that production and has the, measurables has,

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00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 3: both and you can unleash him on the. Quarterback everybody

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00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: now affect the, quarterback and then considering the assets they

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00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 3: put into defensive line right now and just how deep

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00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: that room, IS i think it's a little bit little

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00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: bit of a tell that if they do go defensive,

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00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: front it would be. Edge.

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Speaker 1: Again we will in all of the speculation starting On

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Speaker 1: thursday when The Arizona cardinals are on the clock with

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00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: the sixteenth overall. Pick still a couple more days between

787
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: now and then to, speculate but we are getting closer

788
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: and closer to when we can actually discuss players as

789
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: opposed to predict who might be in the.

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Speaker 3: Building once, AGAIN i know you guys don't want to hear,

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Speaker 3: it but let there be a FOURTH. Qb that's What i'm,

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00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: saying right, now if it's Cam, Warden Shader, sanders and

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Speaker 3: Then Jackson, dart don't Dismiss Jackson dart To New orleans

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Speaker 3: at number. Nine New orleans has a serious need right now, Now,

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Speaker 3: okay all of a, sudden there's The cardinals at, sixteen

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Speaker 3: and if there's that FOURTH, QB i think a team comes.

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Speaker 1: Calling all, right we'll have to wait and see. You

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Speaker 1: correct or. Incorrect polyprognosticator might be coming up On. Thurnsday

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Speaker 1: on that, note we'll put a lit. On this edition

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Speaker 1: Of Cardinals cover, two presented By, hyundai probably partner of

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Speaker 1: The Arizona, cardinals has always special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: Producer Jim, almahudro our associate Producer Cuddie. Fincher For Paul,

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Speaker 1: Calvc I'm Craig Rayel. Lou we'll talk to you next

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