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Speaker 2: Dolphins and Bill's game. He has been on either sides
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Speaker 2: here on the last variety show of the regular season.
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Speaker 2: Maggie my guest today, Week eighteen variety show, last one
Speaker 2: of the regular season from ESPN Marcel Louis Jack. Joining
Speaker 2: me today for the final variety show of the regular
Speaker 2: season is Marcel Louis Jack from ESPN, author of some
Speaker 2: of my favorite stories around the team this year. Marcel,
Speaker 2: welcome back in to the podcast.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Always good to be back and always pencil in Buffalo
Speaker 1: week for a couple of appearances every season. So no man,
Speaker 1: happy to talk some ball here. Got a good game
Speaker 1: coming this weekend.
Speaker 2: One of the best games it reminds me of. So
Speaker 2: you know, Marcel, I know you're a little bit younger
Speaker 2: than I am, but I know that you have an
Speaker 2: appreciation for, you know, the history of the NFL and
Speaker 2: the history of sports. I mean I'm looking at a
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, excellent photo right behind your head on your
Speaker 2: background here on the zoom call. Do you remember the
Speaker 2: nineties Dolphins and Bills rivalry very much? And the Dan
Speaker 2: Marino Jim Kelly era because this game kind of you know,
Speaker 2: we had Vic Fangio yesterday talking about how Josh Allen
Speaker 2: kind of reminds him of John Elway, but that's like
Speaker 2: the era of those quarterbacks Elway, Marino, Kelly. Do you
Speaker 2: remember much about those nineties Dolphins and Bills games?
Speaker 1: I don't, man, You know, growing up in I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, growing up on the West Coast,
Speaker 1: you don't really get exposed to rivalries all the way
Speaker 1: over here. But I mean, and be honest, So I
Speaker 1: was born in ninety two. My first my formative memories
Speaker 1: of NFL football where those Rich Ganning, Jerry Rice him
Speaker 1: Brown Raiders in the early two thousands, So like I
Speaker 1: remember them like that was it. And I knew my
Speaker 1: stepdad at the time. We used to play Madden a lot.
Speaker 1: My stepdad at the time would actually pick the Dolphins
Speaker 1: all the time because Ricky Williams was a cheat code
Speaker 1: in like Matten and oh one, and so I actually
Speaker 1: hated the Dolphins because of that. I had no real
Speaker 1: reason too. All I knew is that Ricky Williams was
Speaker 1: getting me for a butt twenty every time we booted
Speaker 1: that game up, and I couldn't stand it. But no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. But I mean, I've heard so much about them, obviously,
Speaker 1: living in uh, living in Buffalo, living in Miami. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I think I heard I heard a lot
Speaker 1: more about the Dolphins from Bills fans than I hear
Speaker 1: about the Bills from Dolphins fans. There's genuine hatred up
Speaker 1: there for this team down here. Uh, you know any
Speaker 1: other any other you know, in a vacuum, any other
Speaker 1: time you moved from you know, a cold environment to
Speaker 1: Miami like Miami is is a it's a worldwide destination,
Speaker 1: like this tropical paradise that people all and from every
Speaker 1: country in the world try to visit to. Nobody would
Speaker 1: bad an eye. No one would think twice if I
Speaker 1: moved from Green Bay to Miami. If I moved from
Speaker 1: you know, Minia, not Miapis like Deluth to Miami, nobody
Speaker 1: would baden eye. But I come from But because it's Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and because it's the Dolphins and Bills, I am still
Speaker 1: hearing about it. Almost three years later, It's been almost
Speaker 1: three damn years, man, and they're still mat so, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a real rivalry, and I can you know,
Speaker 1: as much as I roll my eyes about it, you know,
Speaker 1: anytime I see you know the don't you wish you
Speaker 1: were in Buffalo? Oh you abandoned us. Oh you shouldn't
Speaker 1: take it, I rolled my eyes, but like I can't
Speaker 1: help but at least appreciate it, because like it means
Speaker 1: that people care, and like Bill's fans are a lot
Speaker 1: of things, you never accuse them of not caring about
Speaker 1: this team.
Speaker 2: I was gonna stay off the top. I wish the
Speaker 2: listeners could see the visual of you going through this
Speaker 2: right now, because I can tell, like your facial expression
Speaker 2: explained how much you've dealt with that, Like we talked
Speaker 2: about it all the time when you're out here in
Speaker 2: the press room, Like it's I see on your social
Speaker 2: media all the time. It's so funny to me. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of where I wanted to go with the
Speaker 2: opening of the podcast, because you know, the rivalry you
Speaker 2: talk about, the hatred this, I've seen the squish the
Speaker 2: fish things so many times. Guys like dolphins are mammals
Speaker 2: and they ain't fish like that. That's just one thing
Speaker 2: I want to get out of my chest real quick.
Speaker 2: But let's go back to that, Marcel, because you talked
Speaker 2: about the transition from Buffalo to Miami. I love the
Speaker 2: Delop shout out too. By the way, I had Daniel
Speaker 2: oyafusion last week because he covered the Ravens and the
Speaker 2: Dolphins and he's from Baltimore. But you've done both. But
Speaker 2: you're also more impartial because Daniel grew up a Ravens fan.
Speaker 2: Obviously I grew up a Dolphins fan. I'm just curious to,
Speaker 2: I guess go into more detail about the transition, and
Speaker 2: I guess not to the lifestyle difference, but maybe the
Speaker 2: difference between covering Sean McDermott's Bills versus Mike McDaniel's Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: So the one thing that you have to know about
Speaker 1: the Bills is that, like there is not another team
Speaker 1: in the country. Maybe the power, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: haven't spent a lot of time around Packers fans, but
Speaker 1: I from my experience, there's not another team in the
Speaker 1: country that is so intertwined into the identity of its city.
Speaker 1: Them the Bills are to Buffalo. And so you know,
Speaker 1: the city of Buffalo operates with a chip on its shoulder.
Speaker 1: It's it. They're defensive. They are anything that can be
Speaker 1: taken as a slight will be taken as a slight
Speaker 1: and met with equal or greater force. Like they are.
Speaker 1: They really rally around that like it could be things
Speaker 1: could be going great. But like you say, one bad
Speaker 1: thing about them, and it's nobody believes in us, like
Speaker 1: nobody likes us. Everybody hates it. Buffalo against the like,
Speaker 1: it's like that. So that's Sean McDermott, And that's Sean
Speaker 1: McDermott to a t like he he operates with a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder. He operates with a insane competitive
Speaker 1: street and he has ingrained that into that team. So
Speaker 1: I remember when I got there. I actually wrote a
Speaker 1: story about, you know, how that locker room was assembled,
Speaker 1: and it's just like a gang of misfit toys. You know,
Speaker 1: guys who were cast off from other teams or traded
Speaker 1: or cut or fired or this and that. Like it's
Speaker 1: not a team. It was not a collection of people
Speaker 1: that was used to success, and they use that to
Speaker 1: their advantage. You know, during this the come up from
Speaker 1: probably what twenty nineteen to we'll call it twenty twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty that chip on their shoulder off. Nobody
Speaker 1: thinks we could do this, nobody thinks we were good
Speaker 1: enough to do it. And I think where like they
Speaker 1: hit their plateau usually in like mid season. Every mid
Speaker 1: season is like people think they're good and they don't
Speaker 1: know how to mentally handle that. So like it's always
Speaker 1: like something happens that like wakes people of like, oh,
Speaker 1: they said that we fell off, and then they woke up.
Speaker 1: So I think like that Sean McDermott article, it was
Speaker 1: an excellent article by Tye dun but I think that
Speaker 1: ironically has fueled the build, like that's how they operate.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's necessarily the same thing
Speaker 1: here in Miami. I don't know if that's necessarily Mike
Speaker 1: mcda annuals rallying cry, like every coach to some extent
Speaker 1: tells their players right like, hey, nobody thinks you can
Speaker 1: do it, Go prove them wrong. Like that's like a fundamental,
Speaker 1: damn motivating chip in coaching. But I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's the exact same I think I think Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: is a lot more how do I put this, he's
Speaker 1: a lot more willing to accept or at least, you know,
Speaker 1: acknowledge outside narratives. For example, he great, he gave this
Speaker 1: great answer the other day when when you know, talking
Speaker 1: about how to how to spent his off season like
Speaker 1: building himself up, and he was like, I think you
Speaker 1: know he's he was able to get to this point
Speaker 1: because he understands the narrative, Like you understand why people
Speaker 1: are saying this about you. You're not entitled to perfect treatment.
Speaker 1: You are not entitled to positivity and sunshining rainbows every
Speaker 1: time you The fact is you have finished the season.
Speaker 1: You have not been healthy for an entire season. Go
Speaker 1: fix that, Use that and fix it. So like on
Speaker 1: one side, it's like use that energy, and like in
Speaker 1: a negative way, not a negative way, but use that
Speaker 1: energy as in like, uh, oh, we don't. They don't
Speaker 1: believe you, they don't think you could do it. They don't.
Speaker 1: And on McDaniel's side, it's more like they're saying it
Speaker 1: for a reason, like you haven't done it. Like that's true,
Speaker 1: but it's up to you to fix it. So like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like two sides of the same point there.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, I think Mike McDaniel is a
Speaker 1: lot funnier than Sean d I think I think I
Speaker 1: heard I have heard more jokes in just a throwaway
Speaker 1: Mike press conference then I did in two years covering Sean.
Speaker 1: Sean is not day. I tried to joke with him
Speaker 1: at one point about the g shock watch he had on.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, you can't hide money, can you?
Speaker 1: And man, he just got like so beat red embarrassed
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, am my bad man. That's
Speaker 1: Joking's not for everybody. Joking's not for everybody. Like he's
Speaker 1: good codes Like I'm not saying it's like as a
Speaker 1: critic critique against him, but Mike is a different kind
Speaker 1: of humor.
Speaker 2: I love that you you mentioned that. First of all,
Speaker 2: the story about coaches watch at the combine, I think
Speaker 2: last year with I think he was doing Florio and
Speaker 2: Simms's podcast and he talked about that and that was
Speaker 2: a completely different answer that he had there, which kind
Speaker 2: of bookends your point about the differences, but also some
Speaker 2: of the similarities with the two coaches. And you know,
Speaker 2: you talk about the chip on the shoulder and you know,
Speaker 2: the two sides of the same quint. I like that
Speaker 2: phrase you use because McDaniel's, you know, kind of rallying
Speaker 2: cry sometimes is a bunch of guys who were told
Speaker 2: they can't right guys that you know, a Raheem Moster
Speaker 2: who has his first Pro Bowl season in his ninth
Speaker 2: year of his career, alec Ingold, who was you know,
Speaker 2: released from a Raiders team where he played pretty well,
Speaker 2: and then winds up down here as a captain ay
Speaker 2: a key piece of this locker room and this football team.
Speaker 2: And that kind of leads me to the next question
Speaker 2: here as we get more to the focus of the game,
Speaker 2: because like this is why you're the perfect guest for this, Marcel,
Speaker 2: because you have this level headed approach of there's no
Speaker 2: emotions with you in this matchup, it's all logic, and
Speaker 2: you just kind of seem to have this even keel
Speaker 2: approach to what this game could look like. Because if
Speaker 2: you listen to my podcast all week, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: a mess man, Like I've been this confident very you know,
Speaker 2: I consider myself pretty knowledgeable with the Dolphins, and I
Speaker 2: see this team all year long. I saw it in
Speaker 2: training camp I saw it back in OTAs. They're a
Speaker 2: really good football team. I've been confident in their ability
Speaker 2: all year long, but right now, because of Josh Allen's success,
Speaker 2: because of that Week four game, because of the nine
Speaker 2: of the last ten, my confidence is completely shook. Like
Speaker 2: I don't know where to go with this game. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like they they should and could win it,
Speaker 2: but my heart's like, but you've been burned on this
Speaker 2: matchup before. So that's all in a prelude to ask
Speaker 2: you what do you think we get out of this
Speaker 2: Dolphins team that's facing all these injuries. You know that
Speaker 2: you talk about the rallying cry, Adversity is an opportunity,
Speaker 2: Right this is the most adversity they've probably faced all
Speaker 2: year as they you know, the divisions on the line
Speaker 2: after it looks like it was in hand back in
Speaker 2: the start of December, all these key injuries coming off
Speaker 2: of you know, thirty five point loss, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: What do you expect we get on Sunday Night from
Speaker 2: this Miami Dolphins team?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's gonna be one of two things
Speaker 1: You're either going to see You're going to see a
Speaker 1: team you see it a lot, and it's more in basketball,
Speaker 1: but you see it in team sports where a star
Speaker 1: goes down and the rest of the team kind of
Speaker 1: rallies together to pick up the slack. Like it's not
Speaker 1: totally unheard of. It's not totally unheard of. But you're
Speaker 1: either going to see a team rally around losing Chubb
Speaker 1: and Jalen and X for the week, or you are
Speaker 1: going to see a dominant Bill's victory. Then that I
Speaker 1: don't really I don't think there's really any in between.
Speaker 1: Like you, either the Dolphins are either going to play
Speaker 1: their best game, maybe their best game under Mike McDaniel period,
Speaker 1: or they're going to get rapid because it is just
Speaker 1: it's it's so they're almost on two opposite sides of
Speaker 1: the spectrum in terms of momentum. At this point of
Speaker 1: the year. You know, the Dolphins have been it's been
Speaker 1: a roller coaster December. It's been better than last year.
Speaker 1: It's better than last year by default because they want
Speaker 1: a game. But like it start, you know, it starts
Speaker 1: with the win, the big win over Washington, and then
Speaker 1: the loss to Tennessee, and then the big wins over
Speaker 1: New York in Dallas, and then the loss of Balter
Speaker 1: it's just been this roller coaster. Meanwhile, the Bills roller
Speaker 1: coaster ride. It's a cart that's only gone up over
Speaker 1: the past month. It's only going up. No matter how
Speaker 1: sloppy they looked against me, New England, no matter how
Speaker 1: many scares they have, they keep winning games. They keep
Speaker 1: winning games. You know, the down a wire gets the
Speaker 1: Chargers doesn't matter you win. A win is a win.
Speaker 1: I don't really care how it happened. Win is a win.
Speaker 1: And then you've got, of course seventeen coming in, and
Speaker 1: I was just looking up man his numbers over his
Speaker 1: first eleven games, like I had to refresh the page
Speaker 1: to make sure, like okay, I'm looking at like the
Speaker 1: split right, Like this isn't just his numbers versus the AFC.
Speaker 1: Three thousand yards passing, thirty one touchdowns, five interceptions, five
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy rushing yards against five touchdowns, ninety two record,
Speaker 1: ninety two record. And I believe those two losses came
Speaker 1: down to the final play of the game, like it's
Speaker 1: a it's not a great matchup. It's not a great
Speaker 1: time to lose your best two pass rushers and Phillips
Speaker 1: and Chubb, which like when you have guys with that
Speaker 1: athletic and that physical and that explosive on the end,
Speaker 1: Like that's a great counter to a guy like Josh
Speaker 1: Allen because those guys are just as big as him,
Speaker 1: just as fast as him, Like they can they can
Speaker 1: contain him in theory. They can contain him in theory theory.
Speaker 1: It's a tough time to be down Zavi and Howard
Speaker 1: as well. I think a lot of what this Dolphins
Speaker 1: defense does revolves around having those two lockdown guys, those
Speaker 1: two premiere corners and x and Jalen Ramsey. Uh, And
Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of what a team is
Speaker 1: willing to do if one of those Ramsey or Howard
Speaker 1: is forced to miss time. And so it's on paper,
Speaker 1: this looks like it could be. It could It could
Speaker 1: get ugly on paper. But that's why the game is
Speaker 1: not played on paper right Like again, like it on
Speaker 1: the paper, the pages and the matchups, the analytics, they
Speaker 1: don't take into account the human element of we hate
Speaker 1: this team. We're tired of losing to this team, and
Speaker 1: we want to win a damn division title, and we're
Speaker 1: tired of people thinking that we can't do it despite
Speaker 1: all these injuries. So it is going to be one
Speaker 1: extreme or the other. And I don't know which way
Speaker 1: I leaning, man, I don't know which way I leaning,
Speaker 1: because I feel like any week you could say these
Speaker 1: guys are motivated, these guys are ready to play, like
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that they're ready to play. I
Speaker 1: just you know, I would like to see how they
Speaker 1: respond to when the inevitable punch in the mouth happens.
Speaker 1: You know, they got hit in the mouth after the
Speaker 1: no touchdown, the drop touchdown against Baltimore and the wheels
Speaker 1: kind of fell off and snowball from there. If they
Speaker 1: get hit in the mouth, they go down two scores
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Are they going to respond like they did
Speaker 1: against Baltimore? Or are they going to respond like they
Speaker 1: did I think in the playoff game against Buffalo when
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they route a lot of seventeen
Speaker 1: on as to points like that game in particular gives me,
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't want to say hoax. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make it sound like like I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: but like for a Dolphins fan, it should give you
Speaker 1: hope that they can overcome the loss of critical players
Speaker 1: because they have almost done it in the past while
Speaker 1: missing the most critical player you could be missing into
Speaker 1: a tumbel by lower.
Speaker 2: So a lot of good stuff there, and you hit
Speaker 2: on a few areas I want to follow up on.
Speaker 2: But first, real quick, let's go ahead and take our
Speaker 2: first break of the episode. My guest today from ESPN
Speaker 2: Marcel Luis Jock on the Draft Time podcast, your host
Speaker 2: Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. We left
Speaker 2: off the previous segment there Marcel talking about the I
Speaker 2: guess the mental side of this game and the ups
Speaker 2: and the downs, and the previous playing experience with Dolphins
Speaker 2: and Bills and Josh Allen's success, and a couple of
Speaker 2: things that you touched on there that I wanted to
Speaker 2: follow up with you on was I keep thinking about
Speaker 2: that Jets game, and you know, I get myself into
Speaker 2: these I tell my friends my wife all the time,
Speaker 2: like I'm probably online hashtag online too much because I
Speaker 2: see these takes that just like, man, it gets to me,
Speaker 2: like these these narratives and these thoughts, and like, remember
Speaker 2: after the Titans game, the amount of comments I saw
Speaker 2: that They're not going to win an game of the
Speaker 2: rest of the year. It's like, what makes you think
Speaker 2: that even the Jets game, they were down critical parts
Speaker 2: they didn't have Tyreek Hill. And then on the final
Speaker 2: drive of the Dallas game, Wattle goes out and to
Speaker 2: a leads the offense down the field. So they've found
Speaker 2: ways to win, you know, shorthanded. Now you did mention
Speaker 2: the pass rushers. Obviously, you know Jaln Phillips had a
Speaker 2: big strip sack in the game last year. That was
Speaker 2: a big part of Miami being really close in that
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. We're gonna miss him and Bradley Chubb like
Speaker 2: you talked about there. But I just think about overcoming
Speaker 2: those those injuries in the Jets game. I think about
Speaker 2: the Week four matchup and how that might be instructive.
Speaker 2: I guess my question is, let's start with the Week
Speaker 2: four matchup, because that was a game where Buffalo got
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted right, and it kind of mirrored the
Speaker 2: Baltimore game where both offenses went up and down the
Speaker 2: field and then the Dolphins offense kind of fell off
Speaker 2: and Buffalo's offense just got better and better. Do you
Speaker 2: think there's anything instructive from that game that Miami can
Speaker 2: look at and build upon, or is it a situation
Speaker 2: where the Bills are saying, this is a team that
Speaker 2: we've had a lot of success against. We beat them
Speaker 2: by twenty eight last time. We're gonna keep that rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's tough as that they are. It's cliche,
Speaker 1: but they're both two different teams right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator for Buffalo, more different personnel for Miami.
Speaker 1: I think Toronto only played like a quarter and a half.
Speaker 1: He's going to be healthy. Connor Williams didn't player. I
Speaker 1: guess that's about the same. No, uh, you know, no
Speaker 1: Isaiah win Now, maybe Rob Hunt maybe not. Like there's
Speaker 1: maybe Raheem Moster maybe not. Maybe Jalen Ronto maybe not
Speaker 1: on the opposite side, well obviously, no Chul, no Phillips.
Speaker 1: Like it's they are different. It's different matchups, Like these
Speaker 1: are different matchups. No Milano for you know, for Buffalo,
Speaker 1: No Tredavious White. I think I know he got hurt
Speaker 1: during that game, but I think it was late, you know,
Speaker 1: third or fourth quarter of that game. So the different matchups.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't necessarily say like because Week four happened,
Speaker 1: it's going to happen again in Week eighteen. But I
Speaker 1: think like there are lessons to be learned from that game.
Speaker 1: I think like the biggest lesson kind of falls on
Speaker 1: It falls on Vic Tangel, it falls on Big Vangy
Speaker 1: all right now, and that's having somebody travel with Stevon Diggs.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think that. I think it's
Speaker 1: a mismatch. I think putting Digs on Kohor or Apple
Speaker 1: is respectfully a mismatch, and Digs proved as much in
Speaker 1: Week four one hundred and twenty yards and three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I think this is why you go out and get
Speaker 1: a guy like James Ramsey. Like, if you have a
Speaker 1: jam And Ramsey but you don't use him to take
Speaker 1: away your opponent's best player, then what is the point.
Speaker 1: You can live with Gabriel Davis and Khalil Sekur beating you.
Speaker 1: You can live with that. It's not gonna be fun,
Speaker 1: but you can look back at the game plan and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what these guys stepped up. It is what
Speaker 1: it is. It Digs beat you for one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards or two touchdowns, you're gonna feel like you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel bad, You're gonna pay, like, why didn't we
Speaker 1: do anything different? Unless you have your best m best
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, we did what we can do.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, that's a big that's a
Speaker 1: big lesson right now. I think you you travel, you
Speaker 1: travel Ramsey with with Diggs, you play more Man and
Speaker 1: you know what if Josh Allen turns in to a runner,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen turns into a runner. But I just read
Speaker 1: off the passing stats, his passing stats during the last segment.
Speaker 1: He's been he's been a top tier passer. He's across
Speaker 1: the seventeen game season. He's an MVP if you know,
Speaker 1: he's only playing the Dolphins based on these numbers. He
Speaker 1: got to do something a little different, and that was
Speaker 1: the beauty of I guess the Josh Boyer system, which
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of disagreed with fundamentally because of
Speaker 1: it just felt like a fake Madden defense at times.
Speaker 1: But that constant pressure of those blitzes, like the forcing
Speaker 1: him to either run or make a quick decision before
Speaker 1: he's comfortable, Like every now and then, it would it
Speaker 1: would trip him up. Every now, it would trip him up.
Speaker 1: They were hitting to a point over the past two
Speaker 1: years where you know, it was it was a toss
Speaker 1: up whether he would have a good game or a
Speaker 1: terrible game. You know, I didn't think he was particularly
Speaker 1: good in the win last year. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was particularly good. I think the home game in two thousand,
Speaker 1: I think my second year.
Speaker 2: Here twenty one, it was like it was like eleven
Speaker 2: to eight at halftime or something like. It was a
Speaker 2: weird score.
Speaker 1: The away game, yeah, the home game was we don't
Speaker 1: got to talk about the home game. The away game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, like they might have been they
Speaker 1: might be figuring something out. They might be figuring something
Speaker 1: out here. So I think, you know, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to simulate pressure.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Ander van Ginkle is a critical player of
Speaker 1: this game, Like he's gonna have to have a big
Speaker 1: game Ingram and Agba. You know, we heard Vick Can
Speaker 1: just say they're gonna rotate, They're gonna need they're going
Speaker 1: to need to have, you know, two of the best
Speaker 1: games of their lives here, and that's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be every game for them moving forward.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, and I've done this so
Speaker 2: many times with the Bills, Marcell, like I've been I've
Speaker 2: been with the team since twenty twenty I've done a
Speaker 2: daily podcast on the Dolphins since twenty sixteen, so I'm
Speaker 2: well versed in Josh Allen's career as well as his
Speaker 2: exploits against the Miami Dolphins. And you know, I do
Speaker 2: these previews. I talk about the way this team is constructed.
Speaker 2: I feel like I know Buffalo as as well as
Speaker 2: any other team in the National Football Legue besides the
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins. And every time the Dolphins and Bills get together,
Speaker 2: it's like you talk about Josh, They're like perfect and
Speaker 2: has a perfect game or he has one of those
Speaker 2: you know, valleys of the peaks and valleys game that
Speaker 2: he can have, but Miami doesn't find a way to
Speaker 2: capitalize on catching the interceptions. Like I think back to
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty twenty twenty game. I think it was
Speaker 2: when he took a deep shot and Xavier and Howard
Speaker 2: had to pick in his hands and it fell off
Speaker 2: of his fingertips and the next player is a touchdown
Speaker 2: and Miami falls behind and they can't come back and
Speaker 2: win that game. And then there was one where like
Speaker 2: Kyle van Noy had a screen pass in his hands
Speaker 2: and he couldn't hang on and Javon Holland jumps arout
Speaker 2: last year in the game and couldn't hang on to
Speaker 2: the pick. So there's opportunities there that he'll he'll create
Speaker 2: for you sometimes, but sometimes it's not that way. So
Speaker 2: I think if it's one of those games and Miami
Speaker 2: can capitalize on the takeaways, they can make a big
Speaker 2: push and get a victory in this game. It sounds
Speaker 2: like you kind of know where you're going. But I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and ask you just to put a
Speaker 2: bowl on the podcast. Marcel, What are you thinking.
Speaker 1: Oh, Man, yeah, you can pick buff fine, because I've
Speaker 1: been saying I've been saying this all week. You know that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to say that the Dolphins
Speaker 1: can't win. I'm not going to say that they won't win.
Speaker 1: I am going to say that it will take their
Speaker 1: A plus effort to win. It's not impossible. It's not
Speaker 1: like and I don't even mean to say this is
Speaker 1: like it's not a likely event, Like I just it's
Speaker 1: a possibility. But that's the level of play it's going
Speaker 1: to take. You're not gonna like, You're not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: bring your B game, bring your C game into Sunday
Speaker 1: and win against this team right now, it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. But to beat Buffalo, you are going to
Speaker 1: have to play your best game of the season right now.
Speaker 1: Or maybe if Buffalo plays it's worse than was. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll see that. You can never rely on other teams
Speaker 1: being at their worst. Like this is three time braining
Speaker 1: AFC champion. They've been in games like this before, and
Speaker 1: in my I just I did the math earlier. I've
Speaker 1: covered ten Bills Dolphins games. I've seen the Dolphins win
Speaker 1: one of those, and yet to see the Dolphins winning
Speaker 1: game that matters, especially in this capacity. I am not
Speaker 1: saying you can't. I'm saying that is what it needs to.
Speaker 1: This is what they need to do in order to win.
Speaker 1: It needs to be their best game of the season.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, my my my head does
Speaker 1: say Buffalo wins this game. My head does say Buffalo
Speaker 1: wins this game. But Miami, it's you know, Miami is
Speaker 1: right there. They just they're gonna have to lock in.
Speaker 1: You can't see those mental mistakes. You know, Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: is gonna have to call a smart game. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to establish the run. You're gonna need to see
Speaker 1: something from the rookie from Devon Knight, Devon ah Chain. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna have to capitalize on turnovers and
Speaker 1: turnover worthy plays whatever that status called. You know, can't
Speaker 1: drop interceptions, you can't miss you know, if the balls
Speaker 1: on the ground, can't dive pass it and side pass
Speaker 1: it like there, it's gonna take a perfect game. They're
Speaker 1: a plus game. The Dolphins can beat Miami. Anything short
Speaker 1: of that, I think the Bills win. I guess it
Speaker 1: is the short way to answer me, you know my
Speaker 1: long winded answer.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's good. I'm hopeful that they can recreate
Speaker 2: the playoff game. Last, I think if you get that
Speaker 2: performance from the defense, the takeaways and the short fields
Speaker 2: and all that stuff like you talked about with the
Speaker 2: Josh Boyer and any of the Brian Florest defenses before that,
Speaker 2: you can create those chances. And to his ability to
Speaker 2: put the ball on the end zone, I think would
Speaker 2: be would get you into the winner circle. And I think,
Speaker 2: like I almost want to clip this and get up
Speaker 2: to coach McDaniel and just like have him played at
Speaker 2: the team meeting, not to like to sparage you, Marcel,
Speaker 2: but to be like, look, guys, this is like the
Speaker 2: Dolphins mantra. If you play your best game, then you
Speaker 2: beat them. And if you beat them now you've come
Speaker 2: off your best game going into the postseason with home
Speaker 2: playoff games like that would be perfect. Like that would
Speaker 2: be a really good way to go into the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So it's all out there in front of them. It's
Speaker 2: the opportunity they've all wanted all year long to talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, division titles, the first goal of the season.
Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be a rallying cry. I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a fun game on Sunday night
Speaker 2: and can't wait to watch it and hear your takes
Speaker 2: on it after the fact as well. Marcel Louis Jack
Speaker 2: covering your Miami Dolphins for ESPN. His alma mater also
Speaker 2: pulled off their second win over my alma mater, Arizona,
Speaker 2: stay over the Cougs in the last six years. I
Speaker 2: looked it up for you, Marcel, so two and four
Speaker 2: against the Coogs in the last six years. Congrats on that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time today, sir, and tell them
Speaker 2: the folks what you're working.
Speaker 1: On, right the devils man working on got a story
Speaker 1: it should be coming out, not this week, but first
Speaker 1: week of playoff, about how Tua was able to stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Obviously it was the big storyline entering the season. You know,
Speaker 1: heard that excellent quote, excellent quote from Mike McDaniel about
Speaker 1: to kind of embracing the narrative and accepting why it
Speaker 1: exists instead of just using it to fuel him, you know,
Speaker 1: using negative energy to fuel you. You know, learning, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why people are saying this, but you
Speaker 1: still have the power and the opportunity to change their
Speaker 1: minds and to prove them wrong. So that should be
Speaker 1: coming out. I think it's on Tuesday, or I think
Speaker 1: it's on the night. Excited for that to come out,
Speaker 1: and then you know, obviously the normal game day musings
Speaker 1: should be dropping this weekend, and we're excited to get
Speaker 1: to that stadium early. Man, I know, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to set a record. I'm usually a just in time
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I'm gonna try to set a record
Speaker 1: here to get there. You get there in don the
Speaker 1: park and at a normal parking spot and not you know,
Speaker 1: driving through Hell.
Speaker 2: To the Yeah, that might be a five hour early
Speaker 2: arrival time. If you're going to make that happen, my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're not lying man.
Speaker 2: All right, Marshall, I appreciate you, man, Thank you, and
Speaker 2: away he goes. I didn't realize how long that interview was,
Speaker 2: but good stuff there with Marcel as always. Let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and take our last break right there. Come back
Speaker 2: on the other side, we'll hear from head coach Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 2: and also I have a fun segment plan that I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to, talking about quarterbacks and legacies and big games,
Speaker 2: getting over the hump, all of that and more. That's
Speaker 2: next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
Speaker 2: you by Auto Nation. Let's actually start here with the
Speaker 2: quarterback monologue that I wrote up here because we'll get
Speaker 2: to McDaniel here in a second. But I want to
Speaker 2: talk about this and it's not far off from what
Speaker 2: I've been doing really the last couple of Thursday and
Speaker 2: Fridays here on these monologues in the the huge games.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I'm guilty of this too, but
Speaker 2: we sure do, collectively as a fan base and as
Speaker 2: football fans and as humans, I think, become prisoners of
Speaker 2: the moment, don't we. I mean, the Dallas game was
Speaker 2: the biggest in the franchise is last two decade history, right,
Speaker 2: biggest game in McDaniel's career, biggest game in two is career.
Speaker 2: And the funny part about that is they both executed
Speaker 2: in the biggest moments of that entire game. That was
Speaker 2: the biggest game in the franchise history of the last
Speaker 2: two decades. But if we lose to Buffalo, does anybody
Speaker 2: still feel that that was the case? Will you recall
Speaker 2: that game winning drive that two will put together? Probably not?
Speaker 2: The same was said of Baltimore. If you beat Buffalo,
Speaker 2: does anybody still feel that way? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: What if you lose to Buffalo and then you beat
Speaker 2: Casey in Baltimore? Probably unlikely, but not impossible. How would
Speaker 2: you feel about losing this Buffalo game? And I keep
Speaker 2: using the legacy game stuff help. When I was getting
Speaker 2: coffee this morning in the facility, I looked up at
Speaker 2: one of the TVs in there and they were doing
Speaker 2: a segment on one of those horrible morning talk shows
Speaker 2: whose legacy is most on the line for this playoffs,
Speaker 2: Lebron Numbskin, but two was of course up on that board,
Speaker 2: and it's just like the same concept I just explained
Speaker 2: about each individual game, it applies across multiple seasons. I
Speaker 2: know we're gonna be upset if this year does not
Speaker 2: go what we hope it does. But like your perspective is,
Speaker 2: you'll be right back here again next year. Like, do
Speaker 2: you really think that Tua and Mike's offense will get
Speaker 2: worse in year three or year four? What about when
Speaker 2: you have the same continuity on the defensive staff that
Speaker 2: you had on offense this year, and you have Jialen
Speaker 2: Ramsey for a full year where it doesn't take eight
Speaker 2: years eight weeks to gel. Like, look, if this season
Speaker 2: ends in these next two weeks, it'll be devastating. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to want to even get back into football.
Speaker 2: It'll be probably hard to watch the playoff games, which
Speaker 2: is terrible because I love playoff football more than anything
Speaker 2: else besides my wife and kids, Like it's my favorite
Speaker 2: thing in the world, especially when Dolphins are playing. But
Speaker 2: you'll be right back here again next August to watching
Speaker 2: this team in training camp having these exact same discussions
Speaker 2: in December. I guess that's my point. And yah, I
Speaker 2: know free agents on this team are vast, but there
Speaker 2: are always creative routes that you can take to get
Speaker 2: the team back together. You could probably run it back
Speaker 2: with the exact same roster next year, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: if Tua gets paid, that's like a fifteen million dollar
Speaker 2: reduction or relief in year one of that contract. So
Speaker 2: you get that, you might get retirements, you get June
Speaker 2: one cuts, restructures. I'm just saying. What I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say is there's not five teams right now in the
Speaker 2: NFL with better futures than Miami because your head coach
Speaker 2: and your quarterback are aligned. They're both elite. That's all
Speaker 2: it matters. That's not all that matters. But that's the
Speaker 2: biggest part. The biggest part of the equation is that
Speaker 2: as we have learned over the last twenty years, because
Speaker 2: what do we have twenty years ago, an elite coaching
Speaker 2: quarterback right twenty five years ago, and now we have
Speaker 2: it again, and in between we didn't have it and
Speaker 2: we didn't go to the playoffs. Ever, it's the biggest
Speaker 2: part of the game. So with that said, I wanted
Speaker 2: to look at this because the narrative if we lose
Speaker 2: Sunday for some and maybe this is the vast minority,
Speaker 2: and I'm just seeing the vocal minority. But the narrative
Speaker 2: will be that Tua caused it. It's Tua's issue. They
Speaker 2: got to replace to a tongue of Bai low. The
Speaker 2: quarterback can't win, they got to replace them. I saw
Speaker 2: that the pick that Patrick Queen had, I saw the
Speaker 2: take that that was what swung the game. Really, are
Speaker 2: you sure about that? You're sure about that's why it
Speaker 2: wasn't the busted coverage for a seventy five yard touchdown
Speaker 2: on the first play after the offense had just made
Speaker 2: it a fourteen thirteen game. Like, think about it. Baltimore
Speaker 2: got the ball back in the game with three ten
Speaker 2: to play in the second quarter. If you just hold
Speaker 2: him to a field goal, there we go into half
Speaker 2: seventeen thirteen, different game. Or hear me out, hear me out.
Speaker 2: What if you actually got a stop and then we
Speaker 2: aren't pushing the ball against the clock, we don't force
Speaker 2: that throw. Maybe we kick a field goal. I mean
Speaker 2: that would be a halftime lead sixteen fourteen. That's a
Speaker 2: possibility that could have happened on Sunday. But what else
Speaker 2: should I expect from a community that has actual oxygen
Speaker 2: breathing human beings, suggesting that Mike McDaniel could be on
Speaker 2: the hot seat if we lose on Sunday, Like, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna entertain that beyond that point. But get out
Speaker 2: of here, do we? You don't want this stuff? It's terrible.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to look at some of Tua's our parts,
Speaker 2: the people who he's being measured against, which in and
Speaker 2: of itself should be telling, right, But I digress. The
Speaker 2: people who he is comparable with his film in his
Speaker 2: passing numbers, like a Peyton Manning who lost his first
Speaker 2: three playoff games by a combined total of eighty three
Speaker 2: to thirty three. The offense averaged eleven points in his
Speaker 2: first three playoff games, an offense that was breaking records
Speaker 2: from the moment he got on the field well his
Speaker 2: sophomore year. He also lost to the Patriots each of
Speaker 2: the next two postseasons, and then, in his sixth season,
Speaker 2: as a one seed, facing a six seeded Steelers team
Speaker 2: at home coming in with a playoff record of three
Speaker 2: and five in his career, lost to the last team
Speaker 2: to make it into the postseason while taking five sacks
Speaker 2: and came putting less than sixty percent of his passes.
Speaker 2: He got his ring in six year seven, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, he scored fifteen points in one of those games,
Speaker 2: going fifteen for thirty with a bucks seventy, no touchdowns
Speaker 2: and two picks. Awful, but he won Drew Brees. He
Speaker 2: was bounced in his loan playoff game with the Chargers,
Speaker 2: then made a nice run in six getting a first
Speaker 2: by and winning a playoff game, but then an eighty
Speaker 2: three point two pass a rating in the NFC Championship
Speaker 2: game to fall to one and two career in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Then they don't get back to the playoffs for the
Speaker 2: next two years. Imagine if Tua did that off of
Speaker 2: this year, if he went no playoffs the next two years,
Speaker 2: he I don't want to think what the Twitter verse
Speaker 2: would do to him. But then they won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: so that's a pretty nice feather. But the rest of
Speaker 2: his career five and seven and a career nine to
Speaker 2: nine playoff record. What about the guy who actually did
Speaker 2: replace Drew Brees in San Diego, Philip rivers five and
Speaker 2: seven career playoff record. The only year where he won
Speaker 2: multiple playoff games, his offense posted an average of nineteen
Speaker 2: points per game. In those games. How about Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 2: who's one and three in the playoffs. His first playoff
Speaker 2: loss as a full time starter was in an MVP
Speaker 2: fourteen to two, record breaking season of an offense. He
Speaker 2: posts a sixty three a passer rating and a garbage
Speaker 2: time touchdown in that game, actually rescued that rating from
Speaker 2: the fifties. Of course, the year prior, they scored seventeen
Speaker 2: points in a loss of the Chargers. Then he got
Speaker 2: his revenge on the Titans in the Wild Car Round
Speaker 2: the next year in twenty twenty, only to go fourteen
Speaker 2: of twenty four with one sixty two and a pick
Speaker 2: in the Divisional round in a loss of the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 2: we scored ten points. And he hasn't played a playoff
Speaker 2: game since that year. And I think we'd all agree
Speaker 2: he's the best quarterback in the league right now, right
Speaker 2: like he is. How about Dak Prescott, He's pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Hasn't been to a championship game in his eight year career,
Speaker 2: but I bet he does it this year and then
Speaker 2: what's the narrative then? And there's even more. This is
Speaker 2: after they were written off till for this season after
Speaker 2: losing to us when they're gonna win the NFC East
Speaker 2: and probably be the two seed. What about Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: He's actually been awesome in the playoffs, but he's four
Speaker 2: and four and that includes pass the ratings of sixty
Speaker 2: nine point five, eighty point eight, and sixty eight in
Speaker 2: three losses three of those four losses. Now, unicorns do exist.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is a unicorn. Tom Brady was. Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl right away. Would it be nice
Speaker 2: to have some early career success as those guys. Of
Speaker 2: course it would, That's what we want. But the point
Speaker 2: of this is to tell you some of the takes
Speaker 2: you see, maybe the takes that you've had on an
Speaker 2: emotional state. I've been guilty of it privately. I disowned
Speaker 2: the team when they fell down twenty one oh at
Speaker 2: Kansas City in my own head. I didn't say it
Speaker 2: on Twitter because I'm not gonna change my process that quickly.
Speaker 2: But maybe you said that. But the idea is that
Speaker 2: it is hard, hard to win these big games. That's
Speaker 2: why all these great quarterbacks, Legends of the Game, Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame quarterbacks have sub five hundred records in these
Speaker 2: postseason careers. Right just think about that, think about the
Speaker 2: context of that. Let's go ahead and finish up this
Speaker 2: podcast with some Mike McDaniel audio, and we're gonna play
Speaker 2: just one SoundBite because there was several injury questions that
Speaker 2: he answered, and we'll have the injury report for you
Speaker 2: guys up on Twitter probably by the time you hear
Speaker 2: this podcast, quite honestly. And then there was a question
Speaker 2: I asked about the Pro Bowlers and the pride he
Speaker 2: takes and having six players qualify for the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was cool he talked about two
Speaker 2: a year ago people saying that this guy couldn't even
Speaker 2: finish a seventeen game season. Now he's just starting quarterback
Speaker 2: for the AFC Pro Bowl team. A couple of undrafted guys,
Speaker 2: first timers making the Pro Bowl. And you guys know
Speaker 2: how I feel about how cool to alec Ingold and
Speaker 2: Raheem moster stories are. And then with Ramsey and Armstead
Speaker 2: and tyreew important they are the football team. Obviously good stuff.
Speaker 2: Find the entire press conference or a media availability on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play this one sound bite though,
Speaker 2: because this is all I really care about this week.
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bill's huge game. Not going to be crying
Speaker 2: about how the season has not gone the way I
Speaker 2: wanted to, the last week of the season, really, injuries,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I just want to talk about beating Buffalo.
Speaker 2: What this team's mindset is. Here's coach on balancing the
Speaker 2: pressure of these big games, even though it is just
Speaker 2: another game in kind of terms of football, but it's
Speaker 2: more than that.
Speaker 3: It kind of speaks to what we've been doing since
Speaker 3: we got together as a group. The only way to
Speaker 3: handle that is when they say it it's just another game,
Speaker 3: it's because it is a normal football game. But if
Speaker 3: you take enough intentionality and create pressure and expectations for
Speaker 3: yourself from the beginning of training camp and approach each
Speaker 3: and every practice and each and every game with with
Speaker 3: full ambition, focus and uh, you know, treating every every
Speaker 3: game as though you treat a playoff game, then all
Speaker 3: games are the same and you're better burst at big
Speaker 3: game experiences because you treat You've treated so many games
Speaker 3: as big games. So I think this this team based
Speaker 3: upon what they've done, what they've experienced, how much, uh,
Speaker 3: how much attention they've received. It's been an attention filled
Speaker 3: year for for the entire team, with the with the
Speaker 3: you know, the offense, getting a ton of acclaim early
Speaker 3: on in the season. You know too, to having expectations
Speaker 3: that are brought forth when when you're if you win
Speaker 3: a game by fifty, then to have heartbreaking losses throughout
Speaker 3: the season, but continually respond. I think all of those
Speaker 3: things accumulated all give you the best chance to put
Speaker 3: your best foot forward in a week eighteen. So I
Speaker 3: think it's it's focusing on the fact that you've built
Speaker 3: yourself up to be able to play in this game,
Speaker 3: and then once the game starts that it's basic football,
Speaker 3: with playing with your teammates, adhering to a fundamentals and technique,
Speaker 3: and then playing playing inspired. That's what it takes to
Speaker 3: accomplish the goal. And that's what they've been focusing on
Speaker 3: this week, and I've been reiterating to them every time
Speaker 3: they open their eyes and look at me.
Speaker 2: All right, that's it. Next time I talk to you, guys,
Speaker 2: either we're AFCAST champions or we're going on the road
Speaker 2: to nine degree Kansas City in the wild card round.
Speaker 2: I hope it's the former. Man, it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: over if it's not. But man, I hope it's the
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