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Speaker 2: Hey, let me ask you all this. After watching the game,

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Speaker 2: I said to myself, I've seen the number two team

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's close. I think Ohio State is

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Speaker 2: But with that being said, we get to see number

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Speaker 2: a two. I think this is a This is a

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Speaker 3: If he were to be able to win this game.

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Speaker 2: I don't see anyone being able to beat Ohio State

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Speaker 2: this year. I don't I don't know how they've gotten

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Speaker 4: This year's academic people want.

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Speaker 2: To do maybe that's what it is man that that

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but whatever it.

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Speaker 2: Is, it's working, and it just it appears to be

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Speaker 3: And they've done it all.

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Speaker 2: Year long, like they have pretty much hammered everybody within

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Speaker 2: walk you down. I just don't I think it's interesting

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Speaker 3: But I could be wrong. And I find it to

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Speaker 2: Matchup because you know that that is their team that

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Speaker 3: They've found a way to always.

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Speaker 2: Win and and and now here's a matchup to see

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's an interesting question because I don't

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Speaker 5: like who they played? They haven't played the toughest competitions.

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Speaker 5: The dude, they won an Oregon, they won in Penn

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Speaker 5: I mean literally, it's it's not really been close.

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Speaker 5: Then that includes like a good Illinois team who was

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Speaker 6: And they had to play Ohio State. They had to play.

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Speaker 5: You know, I see a really tough schedule and you

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Speaker 5: Also on the road, like they had a really difficult schedule,

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Speaker 5: and then even the receivers, their receivers are just as productive.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying they're gonna be viewed as the

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Speaker 6: I think it's to be a hell of a game,

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Speaker 6: I really do. Between these two teams.

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Speaker 2: I know you can't bring up prior years, but I'm

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Speaker 6: But they didn't play one. They didn't play one last year.

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Speaker 2: I just think program wise, it still it matters be

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Speaker 6: Well, they they got spanked by Ohio State. Last year

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Speaker 3: They haven't played Ohio State yet this year.

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Speaker 4: Wilbert the Cigarette, I would.

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Speaker 2: Be I would not be shocked if if Ohio State

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Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if they did. That's all

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Speaker 6: The might be that good this year.

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Speaker 3: The Ohio State. I think it's that good.

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Speaker 2: Be that good this year. I think Ohio State is

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Speaker 2: I don't know who's close to them. That's that's and

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Speaker 5: If you go back and look at the film, that's

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Speaker 6: There's some things where there were some weaknesses there.

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Speaker 5: You know, Michigan was kind of attacking this to C

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Speaker 6: So I don't know, I'm not sure how.

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Speaker 4: Their feel like their best is way better than anybody else's.

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Speaker 2: That's that's I mean in my my estimation, in my estimation,

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Speaker 3: This is an.

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Speaker 2: They got, they got victories, they they have reason to

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Speaker 2: I don't be interesting to see if Kirk Signetty gets

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know we're gonna talk about lank fifty.

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Speaker 2: That's a big old bitch there.

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Speaker 4: And it's official. Lane Kiffin is now the head coach

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Speaker 4: of the LSU Tigers. Congratulations to everybody in Baton Rouge.

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Speaker 6: You've got your guy.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it paid off of hard, hard work, Dylan.

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Speaker 5: So I think I think in order to do this properly,

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Speaker 5: and we don't like to get too overextended with all

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Speaker 5: why do you guys feel like he left ole Miss?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question that I've been asking myself the

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what it is. It's a nervis you're being

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Speaker 3: Do we know?

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Speaker 2: What what ole Miss offered him? I mean twelve million

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Speaker 4: The reports was there was something similar to Florida and

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Speaker 3: It was similar, which what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Well, which which it was twelve million, but with incentives

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Speaker 6: One hundred million, and that's where I kind of first go.

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Speaker 5: You can say you would have matched, but you didn't,

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Speaker 5: or if I mean or you didn't overpay either you

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Speaker 2: That's the first thing I thought, We'll pay you fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna I'm not going to spike myself.

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Speaker 2: He very much has that type of personality. You let them,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that was wise at all on old

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Speaker 4: And right now it is time for a Monday tradition

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Speaker 4: here on the show. He's the smooth operator. He is

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Speaker 4: Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports

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Speaker 6: Are you sun? Very fresh, rejuvenated? Pete? You know I

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was a you know, it's a good football weekend,

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Speaker 4: Same old material. Keep on recycling that one, Pete. I

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Speaker 9: I do, isn't it Brady?

442
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Speaker 6: Is it better at LSU, Well, it sounds like they've

443
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Speaker 6: got deeper pockets there.

444
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Speaker 5: I also would take issue with the fact that there

445
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Speaker 5: wasn't more money on the table. I think there was

446
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Speaker 5: a talk of them matching, but it doesn't sound like

447
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 5: maybe that became the case when you look at the

448
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 5: entire incentive package as well, and what ELSEU is willing

449
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 5: to give him along with the money for ANIL. So

450
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Speaker 5: I think in totality that package, what he's being compensated,

451
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 5: the NIL stuff, along with the resources they're wanting to

452
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 5: put into it, probably was better for LSU. And that's

453
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Speaker 5: why probably Nick Saban and Pete Carroll, some of the

454
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Speaker 5: guys Kifvin referenced, probably told him to go tell you

455
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Speaker 5: that if you once win a national championship, who all

456
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Speaker 5: have a better chance to do so?

457
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Speaker 6: There?

458
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, and these coaches now are getting

459
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Speaker 9: fired with tons of years on their on their contracts

460
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Speaker 9: to look, if I'm not mistake and Mark Stoops is

461
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Speaker 9: out now, are going to be out and if he

462
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Speaker 9: dous out? Yeah, yeah, thirty three million dollars left on

463
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 9: that contract, wasn't it. A couple of years ago he

464
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 9: was threatened to go to A and M and they

465
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Speaker 9: decided to keep him, and now he's out. I mean,

466
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Speaker 9: these schools don't care anymore. Just you know, if there's

467
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Speaker 9: that much money on the contract, they're gonna get rid

468
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Speaker 9: of him. And so it's a whole different ballgame college

469
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Speaker 9: football right now, you know what? And by the way,

470
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Speaker 9: I saw asleep watching your Alma monitor the other night

471
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Speaker 9: and then won't back up again. Brady, what has college

472
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Speaker 9: football come down to where your team has taken Shaunton

473
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Speaker 9: to the end zone up forty nine? I mean, come on,

474
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Speaker 9: that's a bit in Miami. I think the Miami score

475
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Speaker 9: a touchdown with on the second throw on the second

476
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Speaker 9: to last play of the game for a touchdown.

477
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Speaker 5: No, it's a great question. I was going to ask

478
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Speaker 5: the same thing about Arizona. Who's beating the drums int

479
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Speaker 5: of Arizona State? Like what were they doing, you know,

480
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 5: for the Territorial Cup?

481
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Speaker 8: Like what happened to be?

482
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Speaker 9: What? They're back to being what they are again, which

483
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Speaker 9: is an eight.

484
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Speaker 6: Degree yeah forks, But put you're forked out and don't

485
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Speaker 6: watch there's a stake get blasted.

486
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Speaker 9: No. No, look, look, I'm not going to sit here

487
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Speaker 9: and pump up Arizona State. They're playing with the backup

488
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 9: quarterback is not very good a And you know, hi,

489
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Speaker 9: I don't. I think Dillingham is a program builder who

490
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 9: isn't a great game coach. And Miami has one of

491
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Speaker 9: those guys in Mario Cristobal. Program builder, not a game,

492
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Speaker 9: great game coach. But what college football has become at

493
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Speaker 9: the end of it? Come on, Brady, that was that's tacky.

494
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Speaker 9: You don't think there's any anything class list in that.

495
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Speaker 9: You're forty nine twenty on a bad Stafford team and

496
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Speaker 9: you're throwing the zone first.

497
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Speaker 5: Off, No one. I wouldn't say that. I would say

498
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Speaker 5: they were up. I think it was forty two.

499
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Speaker 8: Where your record sign Well.

500
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Speaker 6: They ended up winning forty nine to twenty, so I

501
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Speaker 6: think you're look at the five block score gore.

502
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Speaker 8: In the end.

503
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Speaker 9: They didn't score in the end. They were trying to

504
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Speaker 9: look Well.

505
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Speaker 5: Here's what I say, though, is if you have a

506
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Speaker 5: common opponent, which Miami and Notre Dame do, and the

507
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 5: entire speculation is about, you know, how you're comparing these

508
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 5: two teams, it kind of matters, right, and you can

509
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Speaker 5: make the same.

510
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Speaker 6: Case about Syracuse.

511
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Speaker 9: That's the point.

512
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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, but but hold on, you could say the

513
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Speaker 5: same thing about the Syracuse game. The difference was they

514
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: had backups in almost the entire second half, and so

515
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 5: at some point you want your backups too, to get

516
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: experience throwing the football down the field and doing things

517
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Speaker 5: like I actually thought, and Ohio State doesn't.

518
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Speaker 6: They're in no matter what they're in, they're in, right.

519
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Speaker 5: I thought Ryan Day got conservative in the second half.

520
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Speaker 5: I wanted to see him throw more shots down the

521
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Speaker 5: field at the end of the game because they had

522
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Speaker 5: the opportunity to do so, and they didn't. They just

523
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Speaker 5: kind of kept running the football to run the clock out.

524
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Speaker 5: So you're talking to the wrong guy. Because I love

525
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Speaker 5: in some of these ribvalry games and their name Stanford.

526
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Speaker 5: There's there's a little more there than I think people

527
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Speaker 5: lead on because Stanford hasn't been as competitive late.

528
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Speaker 6: But there's no love loss there.

529
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Speaker 5: There's no love loss between you know, different universities like that.

530
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Speaker 6: Especially in the way coach.

531
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Speaker 9: If I'm on that, if I'm on that Stanford team,

532
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 9: I'm putting a forum in somebody's face and saying, Okay,

533
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 9: you want to do this, and we're going to do that.

534
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Speaker 6: We're gonna go ahead and do it. Go ahead and

535
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Speaker 6: do it, and.

536
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Speaker 9: What happens is you I mean, you just it's Brady,

537
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 9: it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. If

538
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 9: you need that extra touchdown to go to the playoffs

539
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 9: and that then the whole system is best stopped. That's

540
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Speaker 9: all I'm saying.

541
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Speaker 6: Well, again, it's it's not the system that you're accustomed

542
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 6: to in the NFL, and so because of that, you know,

543
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 6: you have to look at it a little bit differently

544
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 6: because you've got a twelve person committee that decides who

545
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 6: goes and who doesn't.

546
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 9: Well, I get it, and that's the problem. That's part

547
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 9: of the problem.

548
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Speaker 6: It's part of the part of the intrum though too.

549
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 5: Like no one's talking about the NFL as much right

550
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: now because there's not as.

551
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Speaker 9: Much cost off to talk about.

552
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Speaker 8: Stop it, Brady.

553
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Speaker 6: You know, I'm just saying we're not. We haven't talked

554
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Speaker 6: about it really once at all. Today. You just mentioned

555
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Speaker 6: the game's stunk on Sunday.

556
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Speaker 4: I can confirm that the game.

557
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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, well, let's let let's talk about Atlanta

558
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 5: the Jets, right Torod Taylor and the Jet We.

559
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Speaker 6: Do want to talk about it.

560
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Speaker 9: I bet you were talking about it on Friday when

561
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 9: you have three games on Thursday, but you were you

562
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 9: weren't working on Friday.

563
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Speaker 3: I was yeah, okay, dang, why are you taking shots?

564
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Speaker 6: Pete?

565
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Speaker 3: Let that man live. He was up with big news, right.

566
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Speaker 2: We we held it down that there's three of.

567
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Speaker 6: Them, happy twenty five years.

568
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Speaker 4: If he comes out, fire a.

569
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Speaker 3: Dang, Pete. He came all so jovial. Now you've turned

570
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Speaker 3: into the curmudgeon.

571
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Speaker 2: He can I ask you about speaking of pro Okay,

572
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Speaker 2: go go go get him.

573
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Speaker 3: God wait, John come out.

574
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Speaker 9: I'm getting these tweets at me with reference and Jonas

575
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 9: saying you got to get all over him because all

576
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 9: he does is sit in that sitting in that show

577
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 9: and rip on the Jacksonville market and Jaguars al boring.

578
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Speaker 4: It's a boring teams to boring franchise. When they play

579
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Speaker 4: half their games in London, nobody cares.

580
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Speaker 3: It's true.

581
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Speaker 8: No, they played.

582
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Speaker 9: No, they play half their games in London because they

583
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 9: make a lot of money playing their games in London.

584
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 9: They play one game in London, by the way, it's

585
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 9: look the bottom line, we played two this year last year,

586
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 9: no to last year. But and and they are building

587
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 9: a new stadium and they're going to be half of them.

588
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 8: They're going to play in Orlando in a couple of

589
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 8: years for a year.

590
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Speaker 9: So but look, the bottom line is, look, they're not

591
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 9: a good team. But like I said last night, after

592
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 9: all the shows, who the hell is any damn good?

593
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 9: I mean, really, when you look at the NFL, who's

594
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 9: any good right now?

595
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 6: But if you look, I would I would have said

596
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 6: the Rams until that nil?

597
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: Right?

598
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 9: Is the Denver?

599
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 8: Are they in New England? Are those the good teams?

600
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 9: Denver was pushed to the limit last night by a

601
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 9: crappy Washington team. I mean, they all have flaws and

602
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 9: that's that's why the playoffs are so wide open. But

603
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 9: right now, nobody's any good. But but Jonas, I'm telling

604
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 9: you that Jacksonville market is coming after you. They are.

605
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I mean, listen, who cares. There's like four

606
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: fans there, there's four fans there.

607
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: They're still you have no you have no idea.

608
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Speaker 6: There's the home. Who's got the beach house? It's not

609
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 6: too far in all that.

610
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 9: Good it's a good market.

611
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: You're crazy. I thought.

612
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 5: Jacksonville, by the way, I love going there. You know,

613
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: it's an awesome place. And actually, buddy, who is raising

614
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 5: his family down there. He loves it too.

615
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 9: But Brady, here's the problem with the market and Jonas

616
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 9: right now, they're so jaded because of everything they've been

617
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 9: through over the years.

618
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Speaker 8: I mean, think about it.

619
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Speaker 9: They've had a lot of crappy teams, So from that standpoint,

620
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 9: you're right. But when they're winning, it's a really good market.

621
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Speaker 9: I promise you. I'll go with Seattle's market before they

622
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 9: started winning.

623
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Speaker 6: Well, it depends on how far you go back. Like

624
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 6: some people love that market back in the day with

625
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 6: Jim Zorn.

626
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Speaker 9: And year lost and it wasn't good and now it's great.

627
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 9: It's you know, it might be one of the best

628
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 9: markets in the league. And winning matters.

629
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Speaker 6: Winning matters, success matters. I think that you're really going

630
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 6: out on a limb with that take there.

631
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Speaker 2: Pete, Well, the legacy franchise, why are you going on,

632
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: my boy Prisco like that?

633
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: God? Thanks, I just draw.

634
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 9: No matter what.

635
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 8: You know that the legacy franchises, I mean you you

636
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 8: for one. I mean there's those old.

637
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 9: Time franchises They'll draw no matter who's playing at that stadium.

638
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 9: So but Miami, Miami has a hard time drawing. I

639
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 9: mean they do.

640
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 8: That's reality.

641
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 6: Have we seen enough of to get a sense for

642
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: for what he is?

643
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: God?

644
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 9: No, I think he needs to play. I think he

645
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 9: needs to play the rest of the season. You know

646
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 9: what you haven't doing. He's not the answer, and so

647
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 9: far Shador has been not the answer. He's been okay,

648
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 9: and so.

649
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: Let him so far not the answer.

650
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Speaker 8: Let him play.

651
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 9: I don't think he I think I think they know

652
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 9: deep down that neither one of those guys is the

653
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 9: long term answer.

654
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 8: So he'll play the rest he should play the rest

655
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Speaker 8: of the way. I let him play the rest of

656
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 8: the way, and I.

657
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 9: Go into the draft. They have two first round picks

658
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 9: next year, and you can make a move to go

659
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 9: get a quarterback if you have to, if you're not

660
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 9: need the top. And I think that's what they need

661
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 9: to do. Do you guys think Shador Sanders is the

662
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 9: long term answer? You think Dylan Gabriel is a long

663
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 9: term answer?

664
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 8: I don't.

665
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Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know, but I need to see more.

666
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Speaker 5: I'd like to see more from from really both to them,

667
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: quite frankly, but I do feel like it's perfect timing

668
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Speaker 5: that he gets into.

669
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Speaker 6: What Yeah, I mean that's true. Yes, you can't play

670
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Speaker 6: the song he sepline the scenes there.

671
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Speaker 3: It was a great, great pool though, I'll say that.

672
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Speaker 8: What do you guys think? What do you think, LeVar?

673
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Speaker 9: Do you think he's played himself into the spot where

674
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Speaker 9: he should be the long term answer a quarterback?

675
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, LeVar? What do you think? They can't ask us?

676
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 6: What do you think? LeVar?

677
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: And that's an interesting way of Q sitting there turning

678
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Speaker 2: this into.

679
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: That what he just did ask me?

680
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: I think he had some bright moments in the game yesterday.

681
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: I think he gave them a little bit of a charged,

682
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of a little boost.

683
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: But it just was not enough.

684
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't enough for them to be effective enough to score.

685
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: More than what they did.

686
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: I know, we give as Miles Garrett continues to get

687
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: to the quarterback and do amazing things. I think that

688
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: that their defense doesn't do well enough for any quarterback

689
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: to be really judged at the level of can they

690
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: be the guy or not? Like, I don't feel like

691
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: any quarterback isn't in spite of quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.

692
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: I just I don't see it that way. So whether

693
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: we all made.

694
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 9: The decision on doing Gabriel already, I haven't I.

695
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: Have not made a decision.

696
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 6: I thought.

697
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: I thought it. No, I did not.

698
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: I feel like in order to get an idea of

699
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: what somebody can be, they should have time. But he

700
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: went out due to an injury. He went out due

701
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: to an injury. They felt like they wanted to see

702
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: what Shador Sanders could do. So which one do you

703
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: give the time to do it? I don't know. Is

704
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: it a recipe for success for either one of them?

705
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: I would say no, because the team isn't good enough

706
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: for you to leverage it that way. So I feel

707
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: like they're both want to get a bum rap out

708
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: of the situation. Neither one of them are in a

709
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: advantageous situation.

710
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: That's what I would say.

711
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: Whether they're good enough to be a starting quarterback at

712
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: the pro level or not. I mean, both of them

713
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: have started, but can they be successful. I don't know

714
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: that they'll get that opportunity in Cleveland, is what I

715
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: would say.

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Speaker 9: So I would say I would say I would lean

717
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Speaker 9: to a hard no.

718
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 8: On both of them.

719
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Speaker 6: On that Pete.

720
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Speaker 5: On that note, do you feel like Stefanski is out

721
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: after this year?

722
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Speaker 9: I think thinks he's out after this year, And I

723
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 9: think Stefanski thinks he's out.

724
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Speaker 8: After this year. He might get a job somewhere else.

725
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Speaker 9: I really do. I mean, don't you think he's going

726
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Speaker 9: to get a job somewhere else.

727
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Speaker 5: I mean, he would be on the top of my

728
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 5: list based on what he's done various ten years a

729
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: head coach throughout the NFL. And I again, you know

730
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 5: people might bock at that, but the truth of the

731
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: matter is he's been a multiple year, you know, multiple

732
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: time you know, coach of the year and that doesn't

733
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Speaker 5: just fall off trees for you in the NFL.

734
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Speaker 9: So and he got straddled, I mean saddled with that

735
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 9: that quarterback that he didn't want to well, the owner

736
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Speaker 9: made him. The owner made him do that. They made

737
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Speaker 9: him go trade for the quarterback. They gave away a

738
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Speaker 9: ton of assets for for that guy, and and he won.

739
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 9: He won that good to begin with, he was okay,

740
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 9: And you traded all those assets and gave him that

741
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 9: guaranteed money and the team went to toilet after that.

742
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 9: That's that's basically what happened. They had Baker Mayfield and

743
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 9: Baker Mayfield got hurt that one year. Remember Baker Mayfield

744
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 9: was really good early in his career and then he

745
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 9: got hurt.

746
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Speaker 8: They didn't.

747
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 9: There was no patience with him, and they sent him packing.

748
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Speaker 9: They made a major mistake. And once you made the

749
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 9: major mistake against from what I understood against coaches will,

750
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 9: then you're never going to have a good team and

751
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 9: you're never going to a successful team anymore. And that

752
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 9: was the problem.

753
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Speaker 6: Pete Prisco.

754
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Speaker 4: Keep it in that same division. What are you seeing

755
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: from the Pittsburgh Steelers specifically on offense?

756
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 9: Well, Rodgers was sitting at that bench, sitting there going,

757
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 9: oh my god, why did I come back for this garbage?

758
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 9: I mean, did you see his nose is all broke

759
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 9: and it's he's got cuts all over it. He's bleeding,

760
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 9: and he looked like his hand is broke. I mean,

761
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 9: you don't think at any moment he's sitting on the sideline,

762
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 9: sitting there all swumped over going what the hell am

763
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Speaker 9: I doing? Guys aren't running the right route? He said.

764
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Speaker 9: It looks like there's some friction between you know that

765
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 9: what's going on between the play calling and the and

766
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 9: the and the coaching and the and the and what's

767
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 9: being run. I mean, it's a disaster. And and look.

768
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 6: Because he always have to throw someone under the bus though,

769
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: Like I'm pretty sure you threw John O. Smith under

770
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 6: the bus at one point. It's just I feel like

771
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 6: it's like he always to air someone out after the

772
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Speaker 6: game instead of just moving, you know, trying to get

773
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Speaker 6: through the interview to move on.

774
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Speaker 9: You know, that's that's him. You know, he's always going

775
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 9: to throw somebody else under the bus. If he's going down,

776
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 9: he's taking people with him.

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Speaker 8: That's who. That's what Aaron Rodgers is going to do.

778
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Speaker 9: But they're they're not very good. I mean they the Buffalo.

779
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 8: Bills ran for forty yards or whatever yesterday.

780
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Speaker 9: I mean, my god, with two backup tackles. The Steelers

781
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 9: aren't good. But amazing thing is is neither are the

782
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 9: Ravens right now. Lamar Jackson struggling. I mean that team

783
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 9: is struggling in a big way too. Nobody what if

784
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 9: the Bengals got on a heater. I mean, what if

785
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 9: the Bengals and Joe Burrow got on a heater. I

786
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 9: don't think it's gonna happen, but I mean, look at

787
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 9: look at them. Yeah, I mean they'd be fun to watch.

788
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 9: Those other two teams right now aren't fun to watch,

789
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 9: that's for sure.

790
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's possible that they could because the division is

791
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: in flux, but the stick I have.

792
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 8: To build this week, that's going to be a tough

793
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 8: game for Buffalo.

794
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 9: I mean, and if they lose, if they lose one more,

795
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 9: they're pretty much done.

796
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: Buffalo is Doctor Jekyl mister Hyde. They they have not

797
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: been consistent and consistent enough to call them what I

798
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: would say, a top elite team. They just don't know

799
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: if they hit their ceiling, I just don't know. And

800
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: that's and it's so crazy because what this conversation led

801
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: me to and and pre pre pre show notes and

802
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: thoughts was this is the one of the more competitive

803
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: seasons of coach of the year and because there are

804
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: no teams that are considerably better than the rest. I mean,

805
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: I look at the Broncos, I look at the Patriots

806
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: and what's being done there.

807
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: I look at what's taking place in Chicago.

808
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: I look at some of these teams and like, even

809
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: with the Miko Ryans in Texas, what he's been able

810
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: to do with that team, What Kyle Shanahan has been

811
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: able to do with what he's got going on in

812
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: San Francisco. While I'll say I don't feel like there's

813
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: a pronounced dominant team in the league right now. I

814
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: feel like you're seeing who the good coaches are, who's

815
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: bringing that that acumen and that element to that level

816
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: of expertise to the table. And it's I feel like

817
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: that's been pretty cool to watch. Like I would have

818
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: never thought that Ben Johnson could turn it around as

819
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: quickly as he did in Chicago. Ever would have thought

820
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: I'd be talking about the Bears being you know where

821
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: they are right now, and so with a quarterback with

822
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: quarterback play too. By the way, I just so you know,

823
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a coach this year more so

824
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: than it is a team, like a dominant team. It's

825
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: more so like getting through the elements of what you

826
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: have going on. None, none have done it better than

827
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. If you ask me, I'm.

828
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 9: With you on Kyle Shanahan. By the way, I think

829
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 9: Kylin Shanahan has never won Coach of the Year.

830
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 8: He's finished the runner up twice.

831
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 9: And to me, well, and I said that last night

832
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 9: on our So Kyle Shanahan has done an amazing job

833
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 9: with that team this year.

834
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 8: It really has, I mean, all the.

835
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 9: Injuries, navigating through everything that's happened over there. He's done

836
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 9: a fantastic job. He's in the conversation you mentioned Ben Johnson,

837
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 9: He's in that conversation. Mike Brabel for sure, and Liam

838
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 9: Cohen if they win the division, he's in the conversation.

839
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 9: You're right, some of these coaches have done amazing jobs

840
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 9: with their teams. And but Kyle Shanahan. Look, we've all

841
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 9: we know Kyle Shanahan a health coach.

842
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 8: We know that.

843
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 9: But this year they're nine and four, or they play

844
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 9: coming out of their buy, they play the Titans at home.

845
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 9: They should win that to get to ten. If they

846
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 9: win one more game, that team is going to win

847
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 9: eleven games and have gone beat the Rams on the

848
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 9: road with Mac Jones, I mean that that tells you

849
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 9: where they are as a as an organization. But a

850
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 9: Kyle shana has done an amazing job.

851
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: Pete, give me a team that might surprise us that

852
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 5: at this juncture of the season you were out on.

853
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 6: You're just like I just I'm not a believer.

854
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 5: I don't think it could be obviously the Chiefs who

855
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 5: lost on Thanksgiving. It could be a number of teams.

856
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 5: Maybe it's the Eagles, you know, who lost to Jonas's Bears. Well,

857
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: we kind of just referenced with Ben Johnson. Give me

858
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: a team that you're at, maybe maybe the coolest. I

859
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: don't know what team though. Are you kind of saying like,

860
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: I'm out, I think they're going to fall apart the

861
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 5: rest of the season.

862
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, the Chiefs can't afford one more loss,

863
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 9: so basically they're there, They've already fallen apart, So you know,

864
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 9: I don't they can't lose one more game if they're done.

865
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 9: And so there, I'm a major, majorly concerned about that team.

866
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 9: But who's going to fall apart? That's playing well, right,

867
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 9: and that we thought was what the colts of the

868
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 9: team to keep an eye on.

869
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: I mean, they've lost.

870
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 9: Three of four and when you look at it, they

871
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 9: go to Jacksonville this week. They've never ever won there

872
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 9: since twenty fourteen. They have to go play the Texans

873
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 9: on the road again, and so I just I don't know,

874
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 9: I'm worried about that team.

875
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: Is there anybody to blame specifically on that team that

876
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: you look at and go, that's that's a real issue

877
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: for them moving forward?

878
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 9: No, I mean, Daniel Jones has been okay, I mean

879
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 9: he's turned the ball over.

880
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 8: He didn't turn it over on Sunday.

881
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 9: But sometimes in this league, you are what you are.

882
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 8: I mean, let's be real, I mean, you are what

883
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 8: you are.

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Speaker 9: And so they lost three or four and they were

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Speaker 9: riding high. And now, look, we don't know what Sauce

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Speaker 9: Gardner's injury is. I mean, all of a sudden, Jacksonville

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Speaker 9: was the first place in that division. If they beat

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Speaker 9: him in that game, then they're in real trouble. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: I'd say the Colts will be the one I'm worried about.

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Speaker 9: I didn't like Brady. I'm glad you referenced the Eagles

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Speaker 9: because they.

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Speaker 8: Got maulled in the run game the other day. What

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Speaker 8: the hell was that?

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Speaker 9: I mean, they got pushed all Chicago ran it right

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Speaker 9: down their throat and they couldn't do a thing about it.

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Speaker 9: And that's not a good luck that the calling card

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Speaker 9: for the Eagles has always been dominant on those lines

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Speaker 9: and they're dominant on neither right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you've been dominant, Pete for over twenty five years.

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Speaker 4: And congratulations again. And Pete Prisco senior NFL columnists or

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Speaker 4: CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analysts you can get them

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Speaker 4: on ex at Prisco CBS. Let's do it again next week, Pete.

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Speaker 9: We will and Jacksonville's coming for you, Jonas. They got

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Speaker 9: you and your son right in their site. Buddy, damn it.

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Speaker 6: That's a problem. Thanks Pete, thank you got a big

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Speaker 6: time problem.