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Speaker 1: we meet. We may play at trivia with the guys.

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Speaker 1: Where in the world is your boy? You know that'd

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Speaker 1: be a good one. Some due named Doug. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any doubt in my mind that Dan Bayer

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Speaker 1: would get it, because Dan Byer, he just gets these things,

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Speaker 1: regardless of which welcome in. I'm intrigued by something, I'm

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Speaker 1: just intrigued by something. What are you clapping about? What's

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Speaker 1: so great? What did you feel when Tyreek Hill went

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Speaker 1: down with his injury? You know, what did you feel

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Speaker 1: when Tyreek Hill went down with his injury? I asked

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Speaker 1: that because I'm not trying to be morbid, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to be insensitive. But he is a guy who

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Speaker 1: generates a lot of feelings from people. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, I didn't get a response from you, Jay Stu.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's probably because you either wouldn't paying

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Speaker 1: attention or you didn't want to type the wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there is the wrong thing. But

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Speaker 1: last night you're watching the Dolphins take down the Jets

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Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill goes down with an injury which I

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Speaker 1: think all of us could consider a devastating one. Right

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Speaker 1: and now we've learned that he tore up his knee,

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Speaker 1: he disokayed his kneecap, he's done for the year. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do his careers in question, even

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Speaker 1: though you know, twenty years ago, made thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: he was very much in question. It's not as much

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Speaker 1: in question now. But whether or not he's a superstar

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Speaker 1: upon his return, that's a fair question to ask, completely fair.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I thought one second. Let me

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Speaker 1: let me play for a little bit of the sound

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Speaker 1: last night of Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel's been under a

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Speaker 1: ton of pressure. He's the head coach of the Miami Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: and he had this to say about Tyreek Hill's injury.

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Speaker 2: It was a dislocation. He was probably in the best

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Speaker 2: spirits of any player that I've ever you know, it's

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Speaker 2: such a terrible experience, but he was. He immediately had

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Speaker 2: white eyes and was talking, I'm good. Just make sure

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Speaker 2: the guys get this win. You know, he's focused on

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Speaker 2: the team. So I'm outside of that. I'm sure I'll

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Speaker 2: be giving more information tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I would say that some of his reaction was being

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Speaker 1: in shock. Some of his reaction is one of those

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Speaker 1: what else can go wrongs?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: What else can go wrong? Sure? Why not? Of course?

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Speaker 1: You know, of course, And I would be willing to

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Speaker 1: say a portion of it is an honest reaction. You know, hey,

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Speaker 1: go make sure these guys go get one because you

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're supposed to do when you're laying

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Speaker 1: there and you're like you think your career could be over,

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Speaker 1: because that's an honest feeling to have when you have

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Speaker 1: that sort of grotesque and injury, you don't have the

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Speaker 1: time to go like, you know what, They'll they'll straighten

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Speaker 1: it out, they'll fix it up. It'll be a tough

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Speaker 1: A guy who is has gone through a period where

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Speaker 1: he's the most dynamic athlete in the league. We okay

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Speaker 1: saying that, Like, that's probably how I contextualize it. The

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Speaker 1: You know. One was a fumbley pickback and ran for

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Speaker 1: he's that sort of freak. And so if you take

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Speaker 1: away one of those guy's legs or one of his superpowers,

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Speaker 1: what is he like when he comes back? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You add in the off the field problems with the

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Speaker 1: scenario that I do wonder if it's coming, which is

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Speaker 1: are the Dolphins actually gonna be a better team without him?

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Speaker 1: And I know I've been the guy who's been critical

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Speaker 1: Hill has superhuman powers, and he's an unbelievable athlete. He's

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Speaker 1: So I ask when I saw him go down, I thought, gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's a waste and a waste. I mean, he has

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Speaker 1: other worldly talent. And whether it was Drew ros Nast's

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Speaker 1: And he didn't go to Miami to do his own thing.

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Speaker 1: He went to Miami to make more money. And he thought,

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Speaker 1: example of how you can actually be better with inferior

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Speaker 1: talent is the Chiefs. Chiefs don't have anyone anywhere near

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Speaker 1: as good as Tyreek Hill. Zero wide receivers nobody who's

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the in the what's it called when you

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Speaker 1: have the atmosphere not just you know, there's no one

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Speaker 1: in the solar system of Tyreek Hill as a talent.

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Speaker 1: Yet they keep going to super Bowls and winning some

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Speaker 1: of them without Tyreek Hill. How is that possible? Because yes,

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Speaker 1: talent is a lot in professional sports, but so too

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Speaker 1: all of those other things which we deem to be

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Speaker 1: the football, like, all those things matter. And apparently they've

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Speaker 1: and that's why they've been able to survive and thrive

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Speaker 1: that's a waste, because he is such a spectacular talent,

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Speaker 1: but he's still can't get right. He still hasn't figured

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Speaker 1: to what he's been to this point in the league. Bio,

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Speaker 1: what'd you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down

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Speaker 4: I had two thoughts. I thought, first of all, that

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Speaker 4: we're going to see Tyreek Hill of being Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 4: on the football field. He doesn't have the same explosiveness

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Speaker 4: and who he is. It's going to be very difficult

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Speaker 4: I mean, he does catch with his hands. He can

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Speaker 4: at times high point footballs despite how how short he is.

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Speaker 4: I felt that this is going to this is the

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Speaker 4: end of the Tyreek Hill that we knew on the

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Speaker 4: football field. I also had a selfish fantasy football reason

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Speaker 4: ye there on the final catch, I was beaten by

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill so on the play that he was tackled

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Speaker 4: and suffered the injury. If he would have dropped the football,

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Speaker 4: I then would have won the game because he wouldn't

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Speaker 4: have returned. But there was also the selfish aspect of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that somewhere going around that, Like you

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Speaker 1: think about if you had Tyreek Hill and Derek Henry,

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Speaker 1: not Derek Henry, who else? Who are the running backs

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Speaker 1: You're kind of going through all these guys and you're like,

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Speaker 1: if you had Lamar Jackson, Tyreek Hill, Braylan Allen, like

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Speaker 1: how bad your fantasy team is right now.

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Speaker 4: I was trying to think of the scenarios prior to

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Speaker 4: the game, and this is so callous, but this is sorry.

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Speaker 4: Just when you play fantasy football, you have these thoughts.

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Speaker 4: You're thinking, all right, what about he just kind of

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Speaker 4: pulls a hammy? All right, pull something? And then I

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Speaker 4: saw him on a cart and I'm like ooh, because

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Speaker 4: I had actually been at the other game of the

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Speaker 4: Broncos and Bengals when I came back and saw the

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Speaker 4: Hill injury. But I did think the big picture of

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Speaker 4: know if that was really realistic. I'm not sure how

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Speaker 4: many teams would have wanted to bring in Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 4: I guess we'll never know, but I just don't think

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Speaker 4: we're ever going to see the same Tyreek Hill because

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Speaker 4: we had started to see a different version of him.

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Speaker 4: Those big plays haven't been there. Teams have been able

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Speaker 4: to defend that, and now to come back with the

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Speaker 4: severity of this injury, and now we're hearing that it

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Speaker 4: could affect twenty twenty six as well. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: that this is this is it for Tyreek Hill as

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Speaker 4: a top level wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Ja sty what'd you think? I know, you've been an

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Speaker 1: outspoken critic of Tyreek Hill the person off the football field.

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Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw Tyreek Hill go down?

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Speaker 6: So I hated it. You tried to goad me, and

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Speaker 6: I'm never going to fall for your goating. You know

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Speaker 6: him a person who doesn't like watching injuries or looking

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Speaker 6: at injuries. I have yet to see it. I have

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Speaker 6: created a skill set to somehow not watch sports injuries

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Speaker 6: that are bad. It. It's like a sixth sense for me.

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Speaker 6: I know it's going to be seen. I look away,

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Speaker 6: you send me screenshots. I look away very good at that.

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Speaker 6: I hated seeing it. I feel bad for him and

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Speaker 6: the Dolphins. That said, I also think Tyreek Hill represents

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Speaker 6: all almost all of the worst qualities of a public

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Speaker 6: figure and a professional athlete. I think he's kind of

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Speaker 6: a despicable person. I think he's His moral compass is

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Speaker 6: the opposite of what I would want my child to

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Speaker 6: look up to. When you saw him being carted off

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Speaker 6: and he was like ear to ear smiles, my first

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Speaker 6: thought was, he's so excited that now he's got a

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Speaker 6: little extra time on his hands to impregnate as many

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Speaker 6: women as he can.

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Speaker 1: He's like he thought I was going to go to him.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't going you into watching the video. I was

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Speaker 1: goading you into tweeting, texting some thing about Karma because

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Speaker 1: you you so despise him as a human being.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought that's yeah.

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Speaker 4: I actually thought that Doug played dirty pool by taking

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Speaker 4: a screenshot of what it was, because it's kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm surprised that Jason was able to avoid it.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was not all of a sudden, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 4: what's this? And then I said, I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's his knee that that legs turned the wrong way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what about you there? I was Sam.

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Speaker 3: I agree with Dan.

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Speaker 7: I don't think we're gonna get the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 7: version of Tyreek Hill ever again, which was his what

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Speaker 7: first year was it? First year with the Dolphins, he

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Speaker 5: He belongs to God, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 7: Just want to thank him for this victory, for us,

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Speaker 8: Well, Tuesday, Tokain, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what we got to? Man? I think we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I'd rather sam up the what

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Speaker 1: Oh they gonna chick up chicky.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that was wanting to play calls a little bit longer.

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Speaker 6: If you will, it's amazing it's amazing. I've been team

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Speaker 3: I think the next play.

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Speaker 6: and the NFL traditionally has been against plays that take

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Speaker 6: away from the offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if I see it though, I

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Speaker 1: just don't. I mean, I again, punching the football out

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Speaker 1: creates a turnover, it creates kind of mayhem. I think

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Speaker 1: they like it. I don't, I know you think you

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Speaker 1: put that in the group chat this weekend. I didn't

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Speaker 1: agree with it.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's that's an interesting thought. I like

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Speaker 4: the thought process on it, especially when the NFL, I

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Speaker 4: think at one point promoting the because it's the peanut

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Speaker 4: punch from Charles Tillman. Sure, I think the Seahawks legion

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Speaker 4: of Boom also did it pretty well. It did it

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Speaker 4: in Super Bowl forty eight, but their defensive backs were

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Speaker 4: taught to do the same thing. Now everybody else is

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Speaker 4: doing it. It does when you do that, you don't

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Speaker 4: tackle as well. So like there's this if you're just

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Speaker 4: trying to punch the football out, the guy can maybe

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Speaker 4: run five or ten more yards. So it's kind of

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Speaker 4: anti of what you want to do on defense. But

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Speaker 4: I think that's how we kind of view defense nowadays,

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Speaker 4: is get the turnover and that they get five or

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Speaker 4: ten yards more.

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Speaker 5: They do.

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Speaker 4: Sure, but that would be interesting if the NFL did

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Speaker 4: a one eighty, because I swear I thought I saw

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Speaker 4: a promo or a commercial promoting the peanut punch at

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Speaker 4: one time.

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Speaker 6: I think that there's like this, whenever I see a

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Speaker 6: guy just do a complete roundhouse punch and miss and

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Speaker 6: hit the player's forearm or bicep. It's like, I think

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Speaker 6: that's that isn't covered enough. Like if you want to

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Speaker 6: talk about player safety and not intentionally hurting players, what

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Speaker 6: about all of the missed fumble punches.

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Speaker 7: You miss in something really bad might happen. You might

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Speaker 7: get hit in somewhere that's pretty sensitive or just get

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Speaker 7: just get you know, hit smacked there. And uh, but

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Speaker 7: I talked with Jason about this. I don't know the

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Speaker 7: enforcement of that because yeah, like you know, it's kind

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Speaker 7: of like a a jab versus a hook in boxing.

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Speaker 7: You know, the jab is the peanut punch. And then

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Speaker 7: I guess guys could still swing their arm around tackling

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Speaker 7: and try to hit the ball out the same time,

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Speaker 7: they're gonna have to really write some pretty uh you

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Speaker 7: know fine put the fine what do you call it,

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Speaker 7: the fine print into that rule. If that made any sense?

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Speaker 1: Not really it it did? I guess, Okay, what about

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Speaker 1: you there, Sam, Something we missed.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we missed this so much. I

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Speaker 7: just you know, we talked about this in first of all,

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Speaker 7: bad way to start. Uh, it's gotta be.

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Speaker 3: Something we missed.

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Speaker 7: Allow me to uh, I mean to narrate my wax

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Speaker 7: poetic Tuesday. It's still morning in Hawaii, but afternoon in

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Speaker 7: the continental United States.

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Speaker 5: Quarterback here because.

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Speaker 3: This is the truth.

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Speaker 7: It's ten to ten in the morning in Hawaii. Still morning, Tuesday, Morning.

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Speaker 1: Sam, Sam, It's like thirty seconds of wasted time.

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Speaker 7: Dude, sounds like the Doug Otlag Show to me, Uh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're moving on. Jau something Jay suh, something that

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Speaker 1: that you that we missed.

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Speaker 6: We got a tweet about this segment just ten minutes

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Speaker 6: ago saying, oh, it's that segment where Doug overly compliments

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Speaker 6: Bryce Young every single week.

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Speaker 1: I'm not compilating Bryce Young this week. It was two

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Speaker 1: weeks in a row, and I'd moved on.

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Speaker 6: Okay, because Awful Announcing did a headline. Uh, the Doug's

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Speaker 6: glowing coverage of Bryce Young is getting Bryce old.

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Speaker 3: So uh.

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Speaker 6: Brian day Ball, Malik Neighbors, and Jackson Dark all are

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Speaker 6: subjects of My Tuesday Morning Quarterback, And it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 6: Last week, Jackson Dark got the start, and it was

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Speaker 6: our theory that this is basically the hail Mary to.

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Speaker 3: Keep Brian Dayball's job.

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Speaker 6: Sure, if the rookie does well, he probably gets an extension.

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Speaker 6: If he doesn't, we probably say goodbye. I will say

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Speaker 6: that Malik Neighbors injury helps Brian Daball. How you say

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Speaker 6: how because the expectations now are lowered even more so

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Speaker 6: if Jackson Dart shows progress and anything that goes wrong,

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Speaker 6: you could be like, well, he didn't have his best

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Speaker 6: offensive player on the field, So Melik Neighbors getting injured

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Speaker 6: Jackson Dart having a great game against the Chargers, I

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Speaker 6: would say two great cases for keeping Brian Daball around.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going I'm just quick piggyback off of that.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday the Giants announced that John Marra, the co owners,

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Speaker 4: battling cancer. I hope everything is okay, says he's going

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Speaker 4: to work through treatment. But if it's more serious, then

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Speaker 4: maybe we realize I think that would be another reason

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Speaker 4: to maybe keep the current regime, depending on because we've

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Speaker 4: seen how how much Mara is involved with the operation.

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Speaker 4: I mean his comment on sakuon Barkley. We still talk

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Speaker 4: about today on how it would be difficult for him

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Speaker 4: to sleep at night if he was in an Eagles

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Speaker 4: uniform like he is involved, and if there's any step

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Speaker 4: back from that, I almost think that it would probably

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Speaker 4: make the Giants just want to keep what they've got

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Speaker 4: in place because of his health situation.

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Speaker 1: They didn't come back and win, but they did come

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Speaker 1: back and make it close. Then Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost

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Speaker 1: to the build up Eagles for their first loss of

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Speaker 1: the year. But I think I've determined Dan Bayer who

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Speaker 1: Baker may peel is, all right, he's Russell Wilson two

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Speaker 1: point zero from this standpoint right, a little bit smaller

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Speaker 1: right runs around back there. It does feel like every

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Speaker 1: Buccaneer game come down to Baker mayfield with the ball

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Speaker 1: driving down the field, a chance to win it, and

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Speaker 1: most times you feel like he's gonna pull it off.

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Speaker 1: And you and I have discussed this, like I can't

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Speaker 1: recall that. I know you have recollection of one individual game,

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Speaker 1: like I remember when he did this against this team

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Speaker 1: that again, But in terms of I'm kind of vague

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Speaker 1: in my analysis. That's how I remember just about every

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Speaker 1: Seahawk game that Russell Wilson was ever a part of.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't do much most of the game, and then

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game he'd be running around

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Speaker 1: back there, and more often than not he'd make a

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Speaker 1: play and they'd win the game, and I view Baker

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Speaker 1: as much the same.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like Bizarro Seinfeld right when it was

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Speaker 4: the opposite, but everybody was the same person, Like there

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Speaker 4: was an opposite Cramer and offerds that George opposite Elane.

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Speaker 4: But I think in that way where Russell was a

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Speaker 4: star and a star early and then faded away, Baker had.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Baker was a star early, but it just

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Speaker 4: didn't last long, like after they made that playoff push

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Speaker 4: that all of a sudden, the bloom on the row

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Speaker 4: started to fade for Cleveland. But yeah, I could, I

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Speaker 4: could see it. I don't hate it at all, And

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Speaker 4: there is there is a positive aspect of Baker where

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Speaker 4: I think everybody loves him, and I don't know if

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Speaker 4: that's the case with with Russell, Wilson, teammates.

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Speaker 3: Wies.

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Speaker 1: Anyone non Sam want to add anything else.

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Speaker 6: I think we gotta give Sam one more chance. I'm

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Speaker 6: about second chances on this show.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Doug liked that comment about the Doug

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Speaker 4: Gottlieb show.

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Speaker 7: I think that's what Well, you could you could just

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Speaker 7: say that, well, it's already out there. I was just

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Speaker 7: saying that you know I could waite thirty seconds talking

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Speaker 7: that's me. I'm on your show. I'm just joking, just

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Speaker 7: a joke, just a just a joke. I was just

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Speaker 7: gonna say, well, this isn't even from this is not

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Speaker 7: even from Sunday, so I can't even talk about it.

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Speaker 7: I was gonna say that Joe Burrow being gone all

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Speaker 7: the time it hurt.

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Speaker 5: How's it?

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Speaker 7: His legacy is a mixture of a super Bowl appearance,

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Speaker 7: number one overall pick national champion, and then we don't

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Speaker 7: see him a lot of time, and he's that that

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Speaker 7: that offense. That passing game is a Ferrari with no

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Speaker 7: gas in it or a Ferrari with no tires, and

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Speaker 7: it's just unfortunate to see because of all the weapons

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Speaker 7: they have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but all the weapons they have are a reason

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Speaker 4: why he also, I mean, yeah, there's no reason for

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Speaker 4: him to pay Jamar Chase and t Higgins.

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Speaker 5: There's just.

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Speaker 7: They put everything in the in the passing game, and

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Speaker 7: you know, I don't know, it's frustrating because.

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Speaker 1: See Higgins, they should let it walk. That's that's the big.

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Speaker 3: One, Doug.

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Speaker 7: Like we said in the off season before the season started,

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Speaker 7: you know the Rams will go as far as Matt

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Speaker 7: Stafford can carry him on his sore back, you know.

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Speaker 7: And then and they just had an amazing comeback win

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Speaker 7: against the Colts, and he had a three hundred and

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Speaker 7: seventy five passing yards.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna ask you a question that I

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Speaker 1: know the answer to because I looked it up. So

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Speaker 1: don't feel bad if you don't know the answer to.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow has been in the league for This is

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Speaker 1: his sixth year in his last five years, counting this year, right,

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Speaker 1: So he's missed two games this year. He's obviously out

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Speaker 1: for for probably the rest of the season. So the

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Speaker 1: previous four years, how many games did he miss?

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Speaker 5: Well, we have the gosh, the injury is rookie season, yep.

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Speaker 5: Then the second year, how many games did he miss?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Thirty, Okay, in his last four years, we'll take out

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Speaker 1: rookie because the rookie season he missed.

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Speaker 4: Six last last four years, I'll say twelve twelve.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what will you say, Sam.

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Speaker 7: I'll just go thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: Price is right, by.

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Speaker 4: The way logic zero said, But Jase do I don't

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Speaker 4: know why we're not doing the rookie season.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to say we.

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Speaker 1: Could do the rookie season if you want. It's fine.

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Speaker 3: So twenty twenty games including the rookies.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he missed six the rookie year. When we

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Speaker 1: go to seventeen games, Dan.

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Speaker 5: Three, was it three years ago? I think this is

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Speaker 5: this the third year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he didn't miss a game for two straight

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Speaker 1: years after his rookie year, and he didn't miss a

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Speaker 1: game last year either, start every game. It's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a misconception that Joe Burrow's always heard he

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Speaker 1: is always like banged up.

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Speaker 7: Yes, during the game last night, they showed the graphic

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Speaker 7: and they showed, you know, he had injuries in the offseason.

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Speaker 7: Two he had appendicitis or an appendectomy. I guess that

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Speaker 7: maybe influenced me a little bit, But I feel like

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Speaker 7: I have not really seen like Burrow. That was Burrow

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Speaker 7: last year.

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Speaker 3: He was so good.

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Speaker 7: You know, the defense was the one that was letting

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Speaker 7: him down. They lost a lot of close games. So

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Speaker 7: I think there's truth. I think there's truth on both sides.

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Speaker 1: And that is Tuesday Morning Quarterback.

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Speaker 1: the news. That's a little bumper music, you guys from

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Speaker 1: you guys aware of that. Like he lives on some

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Speaker 1: spectacular property I want to say, Montana, but he can't hear.

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Speaker 1: And so because he can't hear, he can't he can't

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Speaker 1: hear well, so he can't sing. I think that's what

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 7: Yes, is called a Mineir's disease, an inner ear disorder.

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Speaker 1: That's so sad, so sad. Uh. This isn't just a game,

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Speaker 1: know if it was just a shellacking, a mismatch, or

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Speaker 1: a bad game, but man, it did feel like the

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Speaker 1: Bengals looked at looked themselves in the mirror and thought

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Speaker 1: what we all thought when Joe Burrow went down. When

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow went down, I think collective we were all like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of done, and you had people going to

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Speaker 1: hold on. Jake Browning is one of the most respected

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Speaker 1: backups in the league. He's athletic, kicking move he's been

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Speaker 1: with the Bengals. He is do you know what he's not?

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Speaker 1: He's not Joe Burrow factor in that they've had to

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Speaker 1: rebuild their defense and they were in a tough spot

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Speaker 1: against the Broncos team that hadn't played terribly well and

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Speaker 1: the Broncos at Homer way better and their defense is nasty.

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Speaker 1: Here's Zach Taylor, their head coach, something off the loss.

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Speaker 10: I thought our defense really second half held him scoreless

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Speaker 10: until really the last drive of the game, and they

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Speaker 10: did what they could and held him twenty one points.

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Speaker 10: A good team on the road and offensively were just

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Speaker 10: not creating enough momentum to put points on the board.

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Speaker 10: Put pressure on the other team. Get of our defensive

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Speaker 10: rest pre snap penalties. As a whole, it's not nearly

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Speaker 10: good enough. We're a team that should not be having

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Speaker 10: that problem. We have to get it corrected. We can't.

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Speaker 10: We can't just hand the other team five yards and

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Speaker 10: put us behind the eight ball, especially dealing with some

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Speaker 10: of the stuff we gotta deal with on the road.

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Speaker 10: And so we gotta get it cleaned up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta get gotta get cleaned up. That's a classic

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Speaker 1: coach picker right there. Gotta get cleaned up, gotta get

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Speaker 1: cleaned up. We're on to Cincinnati. Wait, you guys are Cincinnati?

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Speaker 1: Oh my bad, my bet. Yeah, Bengals. They get Detroit

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Speaker 1: at home, then they got the Packers on the road.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that, Good luck with that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead. Let's let's welcome in John Middlecoff. Three.

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Speaker 1: Now it's the podcast, of course, the Volume podcast network.

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Speaker 1: When Tyreek Hill went down with his knee injury, I want, honestly,

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Speaker 1: what went on through your mind?

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Speaker 11: Well, I had on two TVs, so the audio for

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Speaker 11: the Denver game was on, so I didn't know because

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Speaker 11: Wattle kind of looks like that too, and I kind

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Speaker 11: of looked up last second and I could just see

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Speaker 11: the small guy there and his leg was pointing the

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Speaker 11: wrong way. So I didn't know. Which one of the

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Speaker 11: two guys it was obviously type it into Twitter really quick,

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Speaker 11: get it fast before they even come back, and you go,

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Speaker 11: that ain't good. And then once they showed the replay,

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Speaker 11: I mean I couldn't even look. I mean my first

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Speaker 11: my first response was one of those guys, one of

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Speaker 11: the two little star receivers. Their career is probably over

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Speaker 11: because that that was horrific. I mean it looked I

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Speaker 11: mean I couldn't rewatch. I don't know if you did,

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Speaker 11: but it had like an Alex Smith type vibe to it.

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Speaker 1: No, it was bad. I watched it. I'm one of

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Speaker 1: those and I think you and I have discussed this before,

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Speaker 1: but I tell this, there's three types people in this world.

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Speaker 1: Type one, I don't want to see it. I won't

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Speaker 1: look at it, don't show it to me, no, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Type two, I just want to see it once, maybe

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Speaker 1: even a still picture, just so I know what everybody's

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Speaker 1: talking about. And there's type three, where I can't seed enough.

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Speaker 11: Where do you fall?

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Speaker 1: I'm three? I'm three.

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Speaker 11: I think I used to be three, and I still

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Speaker 11: him three with some stuff. Yeah, but I do think

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Speaker 11: with injuries, I maybe I've changed. Maybe it's maybe it's maturity.

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Speaker 11: I don't know, injuries aren't with sports, but well, who

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Speaker 11: was the dude for Louisville that shattered his leg or

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Speaker 11: you know, Paula George. I mean that was like my

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Speaker 11: prime of being a number three. I could watch those

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Speaker 11: over and over. But now, oh, I mean it's I mean,

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Speaker 11: are you are we in agreement that this is I

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Speaker 11: mean it's going to be pretty tough for a guy

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Speaker 11: that's gettames predicated on being the fastest player like in

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Speaker 11: the league, Uh, to continue a career.

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Speaker 1: One would think that, right, miracles, the medical science, who

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Speaker 1: knows what happens? Is there any world where the Dolphins

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Speaker 1: are a better team because of it?

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Speaker 11: I actually, once Waller started making plays, I thought, the

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Speaker 11: way I talk about the Dolphins, you know, to uh listen,

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Speaker 11: he's kind of a punching bag. But relative to most quarterbacks,

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's better than fifteen of them. He's just

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Speaker 11: not anywhere near the top six or seven. But like

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Speaker 11: on a sunny day or good weather day like they

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Speaker 11: had last night, if he's got weapons and a good team,

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Speaker 11: you can win nineteen games. And I'm watching Waller waddle

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Speaker 11: until I go, this is this team is not sniffing

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Speaker 11: the number one overall pick. Now they're not gonna make

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Speaker 11: the playoffs, but they're gonna be. You're gonna look up

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Speaker 11: and it's like the Dolphins are drafting thirteenth like that.

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Speaker 11: They were gonna win like six games with that with

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Speaker 11: that open. And they played the Jets twice, that's two.

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Speaker 11: They played the Panthers next week, that's three. Now, I

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Speaker 11: still think there will be decently. I still like him

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Speaker 11: against the Panthers, but that probably cost him a win

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Speaker 11: or two, just because the little easier now with just

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Speaker 11: the one wide receiver and up to and even a can.

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Speaker 11: I mean, to me, the story of that game God,

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Speaker 11: And I would say this about Pete Carroll too. You

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Speaker 11: go to the Jets and you go to the Raiders.

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Speaker 11: It's hard, man, it really is. And obviously you know

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Speaker 11: the Raiders got new people, they got count the Jets

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Speaker 11: like new people, new energy. It's just it's just something

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Speaker 11: about I don't know it, like in the air, because

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Speaker 11: you'd be like, well what about Horrorball and the Chargers, Like,

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Speaker 11: I don't know. The Charge has been mainly good in

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Speaker 11: most of my life, so I mean not like Super

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Speaker 11: Bowl good, but they sure won a lot of games

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Speaker 11: most years, and even their bad teams win like seven

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Speaker 11: eight games. You know, you just watch Pete Carroll and

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Speaker 11: you watch Aaron Glenn. I mean, I thought, what Aaron

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Speaker 11: Glenn did last year with like me and you playing defense,

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Speaker 11: that was incredible. I because like one of the greatest

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Speaker 11: things I've ever seen. They had nobody. Their entire team

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Speaker 11: was hurt and they were snow playing hard and you

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Speaker 11: can just see it on his face. It's like same

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Speaker 11: old Jets.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with the with the Ravens.

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Speaker 11: Well, their entire defense is hurt. And you know one

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Speaker 11: thing that you know because Josh and Lamar are talked about,

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Speaker 11: you know, synonymously a lot. Right, let's face, the Bill's

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Speaker 11: defense for the most part has not been good over

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Speaker 11: the last five or six years relative to the elite defense.

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Speaker 11: Lamar went to a place that I don't know, it

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Speaker 11: was like basically Steeler two point zero. They're just known

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Speaker 11: as a defensive franchise. And now they're basically the Bengals

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Speaker 11: on defense. So it's like the the margin Ferrera on offense,

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Speaker 11: Like it's like what the Lions did at the end

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Speaker 11: of the season. You better be scoring thirty five minimum

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Speaker 11: every game. You got no shots like that. That's just

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Speaker 11: that's what you're that's you'll throw. Dealt with that last year,

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Speaker 11: and that's this team. I mean, Matta Bouque gone, They've

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Speaker 11: always been hurt. Roquan is out now, Humphrey who last

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Speaker 11: year was like the catalysts when their defense was fucking

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Speaker 11: early and then they flipped him, they kind of moved

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Speaker 11: him on defense and then their defense was good again,

802
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Speaker 11: and now he's out. Like I just think that this

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Speaker 11: might be they got a little forty nine or vibe

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Speaker 11: of last year. It's like, you know, we're gonna look

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Speaker 11: up and they're gonna be six and eleven. You just

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Speaker 11: can't overcome that many injuries. I don't care what the

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Speaker 11: logo on the side of your helmet is. And even

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Speaker 11: with Lamar, because they were offense, they blow people out,

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Speaker 11: but they smother you in the second half, like busting

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Speaker 11: huge runs. Right, It's not like you know, they're the

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Speaker 11: twenty eighteen Chiefs throwing bombs. So the way they've blown

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Speaker 11: a lot of people out in the half, it's a

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Speaker 11: little different than like some of these other teams. And

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Speaker 11: I do wonder if it's gonna really just it's it's

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Speaker 11: clearly throwing them off because they look terrible.

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Speaker 1: John Metalcoff's our guest, thronounced the podcast. You can listen

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Speaker 1: to that podcast in the Volume podcast network. This is

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Speaker 1: the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's let's go around the league a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Have you. I can't figure out who to blame on

821
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Speaker 1: that Colts fumble and if he was I feel like

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Speaker 1: that the Colts fumble and the incomplete pass at the

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Speaker 1: end of the Florida State game. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw that game are the same thing which those

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Speaker 1: guys are taught to always like at the end, just

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Speaker 1: tuck the ball. I tucked the ball, and they tried

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Speaker 1: to tuck it, and when they move it, that's when

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Speaker 1: they lose the ball. Like I'm watching the run in

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Speaker 1: Indy actually was in LA against the Rams. That was

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Speaker 1: incredible run, incredible touchdown, but it turned around the entire

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Speaker 1: game when he fumbled it through the end zone.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I've never had an issue with that rule.

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Speaker 11: I thought it was pretty bang bang too. Like watching it,

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Speaker 11: I'm just actually just pulled it up because I wanted

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Speaker 11: to watch it again. I thought to play where Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 11: I mean the thing if you're the Colts you feel

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Speaker 11: good is I think Jonathan Taylor has been through the

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Speaker 11: first four games like a top five non quarterback in

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Speaker 11: the league as a skill guy. Dean looks dominant, Yes,

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Speaker 11: and that run one thing you see And this is

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Speaker 11: where the you know, the defensive coaches, did you think

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Speaker 11: it was that egregious of a old No, you know,

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Speaker 11: and it's like I try to lean the defense, you know,

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Speaker 11: give him a little bit of grace because it's hard.

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Speaker 11: It's hard to play defense. It's hard to coach defense

846
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Speaker 11: now the rules are against you. And some of these

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Speaker 11: penalties and I think it half of a lot ticky

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Speaker 11: tack on defensive holding. But that was like, I mean,

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Speaker 11: I thought that negated. I don't know, like one of

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Speaker 11: the plays of the day. I mean, he's like he

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00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 11: looked like Ashton Genty looked, but even way better, like

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Speaker 11: spinning through the tackle. I'm still high. Like I liked

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Speaker 11: the Donnie Mitchell a lot in college. I like, halfway

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Speaker 11: through that game, I remember I was just kind of

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Speaker 11: taking notes on the NFL Sunday. One of the things

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Speaker 11: I wrote is like I think the cults are for real.

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Speaker 11: I know they ended up losing that game. Obviously, Stafford

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Speaker 11: isn't playing great. I mean, clearly the Rams are really good,

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Speaker 11: but a couple of freak things. I'm pretty bullish on

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Speaker 11: the Colts, like I think they're a twelve thirteen win team.

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Speaker 11: You know, throughout the season, something weird happens. But I

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Speaker 11: think it was more just like those two plays and

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Speaker 11: more of an outlier thing. I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 11: fine because I think Dan Jones looks good.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh. Was it that Minnesota's all banged up or are

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Speaker 1: they getting better? Well?

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Speaker 11: I think TJ foot the switch last couple of weeks.

868
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Speaker 11: He looks a little bit better, and he's the heartbeat

869
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Speaker 11: of the squad. So when he goes, they feel more

870
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Speaker 11: physical on defense. Now you get your backup quarterback in there.

871
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 11: Like to me, a backup quarterback wins two games total.

872
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 11: He's underpaid. I think you and I have talked about this.

873
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 11: So every game the backup quarterback goes, and even Carson

874
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 11: Wentz doesn't look terrible, it's just not the same. Now

875
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 11: you can argue, we don't even know if JJ the

876
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 11: starting quarterback is good, but their offensive line they got

877
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Speaker 11: injuries again. It's kind of running for his life. It's

878
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Speaker 11: why like this week, one of my favorite best of

879
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 11: the week is the Browns to make this very interesting

880
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 11: against Minnesota. How are they going to block Miles Garrett

881
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 11: in that front? Makes a grant Like the Browns defense

882
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 11: is good and their front is good, they could be

883
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Speaker 11: a major, major problem. So the Feelers are in pretty

884
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 11: good shape right now. Right you got the Browns we

885
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 11: know are terrible. The Bengals, I mean, just got no shot.

886
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 11: They couldn't block Mi or you. And the Ravens just

887
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 11: have so many injuries and they're one and three that

888
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 11: even if they battle back, like getting the nine wins

889
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 11: feel like a miracle at this point in time. So

890
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Speaker 11: I think the Feelers you just got to keep Rogers

891
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 11: up right, and I don't see now when things can change.

892
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 11: He can get hurt. That to me is the big

893
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 11: wild card with him. Like, if you tell me Rogers

894
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 11: played seventeen games, I don't see how they don't win

895
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 11: the division.

896
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Speaker 1: Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so

897
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Speaker 1: I'm reading several reports that the Browns look like they're

898
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: going to make a quarterback change and it's going to

899
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Speaker 1: be Dylan Gabriel. What do you make of the pace

900
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: of this change like to be made?

901
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I think we kind of knew when

902
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 11: Flacco was signed to this god awful team that he,

903
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 11: you know what, was the overunder of games who was

904
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 11: gonna start because they weren't going to win many games.

905
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 11: But this is also like going back to that story

906
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 11: a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty sure me and

907
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 11: you talked about it with Dion saying about like I

908
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 11: didn't get better on the stanch bold. Yeah, Deon, You've

909
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 11: never been on the bench in your entire light. It's

910
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 11: like shador standers. Like I was watching in the Ravens

911
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 11: game and the backup came in to start the fourth quarter.

912
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Speaker 11: I mean, he would have got reps in that game,

913
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 11: and they drafted a guy you said you don't want

914
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 11: to go to these teams. You could have been the

915
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 11: backup quarterback. You're not even the backup here. So I

916
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Speaker 11: think the coaches like Dylan Gabriel. Here's the thing, if

917
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Speaker 11: Dylan Gabriel shows any signs of life, he's gonna get

918
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 11: a very long rope because that's who the head coach

919
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 11: and who's also the play caller and also the quarterback

920
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 11: guy clearly.

921
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Speaker 1: Likes Yeah, I think otherwise they want to draft. They

922
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: drafted him.

923
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Speaker 11: Do you know what's gonna be sad though, Like everyone

924
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 11: on social media, like everyone's gonna be rooting. I guess

925
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 11: Dylan Gabriel Like, guys, you might want to google this kid.

926
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 11: He dominated at Oklahoma, then he went to Oregon dominated more.

927
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 11: Like this guy's not coming from UC Davis. Like check

928
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Speaker 11: his resume. It's not bad. I know he's small and listen,

929
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Speaker 11: I don't I didn't even like him as an NFL prospect,

930
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 11: but I do think the way we talked about him

931
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 11: was like, yeah, they just found this guy in like

932
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Speaker 11: D three. Like, guys, he was a starting quarterback last

933
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 11: year at Oregon, Like that was him, you know, the

934
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Speaker 11: guy that we just watched Depenn State more, he was

935
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Speaker 11: his backup. You know, there's no like sitout of the rules.

936
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Speaker 11: Like if he would have beat him out, they could

937
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 11: have gone with him, but he couldn't. Like Dylan Gabriels,

938
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Speaker 11: I mean, there's a reason some of these coaches like him,

939
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Speaker 11: even if I technically don't.

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Speaker 1: Really why aren't the Packers better?

941
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Speaker 11: I give you a pass on the Browns game, right,

942
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 11: you're on the road if the defense is good, but

943
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 11: you gotta when I give you a pass, meeting play

944
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 11: a bad game, but you gotta win. You can't lose.

945
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 11: You got to win that thing ten three or thirteen

946
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 11: to ten or whatever. You just get a win. Get out.

947
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 11: Last game's embarrassing. I know they got injuries, but I

948
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 11: do think it's an indictment on by de Parsons. You

949
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 11: trade two first round picks, you give the guy one

950
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 11: hundred and ninety million dollars, Like that's the type game

951
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 11: in their prime, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack JJ Watt would

952
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 11: have been like, Okay, what am I doing? Four sacks,

953
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 11: a strip, bumble tipped interception. I'm taking this. All the

954
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 11: great players, I mean me and you have been watching

955
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 11: football forever, going back to the nineties. So Reggie White,

956
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 11: you name it, like, there's a weird game, our defense

957
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 11: not playing well, I'm going to take this thing over.

958
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 11: And it's like he's going up against a player. Who's

959
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 11: this guy back up left hand? Like who's he playing?

960
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 11: And besides the one play that he made at the

961
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Speaker 11: end of the game, which is a chase down tackle,

962
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Speaker 11: which is great, but it's like that they needed him

963
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 11: in that because the offense was doing their part right.

964
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 11: Offense lighting up the scoreboards. Defense is and shambles, but

965
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Speaker 11: they do have one in theory, great player who's definitely

966
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 11: paid forty seven million dollars a year, and it's like,

967
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 11: I just needed more.

968
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Speaker 3: You know.

969
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 11: The cowboys on defense don't have more to give. But

970
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 11: you get Michael Parsons's like and you'd be like, well,

971
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 11: he heard his back in the middle of the game.

972
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Speaker 11: Well he made the play on Dak what was like

973
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Speaker 11: in overtime, so he clearly was Okay, I think you're

974
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 11: a little like, hey man, and I can't imagine this

975
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 11: is like a goodah Kin slash lafward thing, like we

976
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 11: need you to take over. And that's the thing. You know,

977
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Speaker 11: a lot of wise men have said money doesn't change

978
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 11: who you are, Like he is that point, like this

979
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 11: is who Mike hit. You're not getting Reggie Wider Lawrence

980
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 11: Taylor in your prize. So maybe it's that's just what

981
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 11: he's gonna do. He's gonna have some good games, some

982
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 11: okay games. He's not like, uh, you know, ray Lewis

983
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 11: or something. This isn't you know, I know the media

984
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 11: annointed him, but I don't think very talented player. But

985
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Speaker 11: I don't think when it's all said and done, people

986
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 11: it's one of the greatest players of all time.

987
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's there, but I do think

988
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: he's very talented, plays hard. It just defies logic. Two

989
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Blackfield goals two weeks in a row.

990
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Speaker 11: Uh, the wheel with it threw my premise that they needed,

991
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 11: like that was a game for him to like get

992
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 11: get three sacks.

993
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Something happened, Yes, yes, no question.

994
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 11: The special teams. I mean, you know, Rich got elevated.

995
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 11: People love Rich Measascia right, Gruden forever, But you just

996
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 11: watch the special team to like that. Does anyone know

997
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 11: what's going on here?

998
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Speaker 1: No? Hey, Johnny, great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us.