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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome back to another episode of You

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Speaker 1: Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Cat, I'm the host

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Speaker 1: and happy you're here. So before we get started, two things. One,

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Speaker 1: this is not therapy, although I'm a therapist and I

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Speaker 1: know you guys are probably like, yeah, we know, Cat.

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Speaker 1: But I have to just remind everybody all the time

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Speaker 1: because we always have new listeners and sometimes we forget.

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Speaker 1: We just get really into content and we feel like

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Speaker 1: we're in a therapy session and we just need a reminder.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, if you're like Cat, why do

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Speaker 1: you sound like that? I have a cold. And so

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Speaker 1: we're just going to do the best we can and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna power through and we're gonna pretend like I

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Speaker 1: sound normal. Cool. Okay. Now, today we have a guest

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Speaker 1: who has been on You've been on twice. We have

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Speaker 1: Crystal Lunen Schloss, which did say right, I practice that

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Speaker 1: on for the third time. She is a certified Eating

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Speaker 1: disorder registered dietitian, which is a big deal if you're

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Speaker 1: unfamiliar with what that means. She's not just a registered

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Speaker 1: dietitian that went to school and then did whatever internship

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Speaker 1: then she also did a lot of work to get

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Speaker 1: a special credentials that are specific to eating disorders. So

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Speaker 1: when I say listen to the experts, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I talked about that all the time, which we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that today, Crystal is an expert. An expert

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Speaker 1: expert what I would say, so welcome, thank you, And

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Speaker 1: before we get going, I wanna put some full disclosure

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Speaker 1: out there for you guys that I've done some episodes

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Speaker 1: like this before, and I think I've said similar things.

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Speaker 1: I have some what we would call anxiety hesitation in

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Speaker 1: doing this episode and talking about this, which is kind

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Speaker 1: of frustrating because we're talking about something that I and

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Speaker 1: Crystal have a lot of experience and expert knowledge and

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Speaker 1: and this is literally what we do all day. At

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Speaker 1: the same time, there's so much information and opinion and

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Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas about what we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: and one that people want to categorize in these black

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Speaker 1: And part of what we're talking about today is that

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Speaker 1: to remember that when we're trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: we need. So if you guys are like, what is

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Speaker 1: going on? You set this up very scary. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about a couple of things, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna let the conversation kind of just like go

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Speaker 1: where it needs to go to. But what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: some parts of haze and some parts of diet culture

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't heard the episodes that she's been on,

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. So she's been doing this for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. She now owns her own practice,

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Speaker 1: Horizon Nutrition Counseling, which is housed in the same building

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Speaker 1: So and she's a great mom, and you know, she's

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Speaker 1: out how to communicate some of my thoughts around intuitive eating. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: eating perspective to just grab onto this idea. If intuitive

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Speaker 1: then where do they start? Like where where might you

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Speaker 1: because intuitive eating is not just eating what you want

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Speaker 1: call a friend. Now, what we're also going to talk

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Speaker 1: see gentle nutrition talked about. Gentle nutrition is the tenth

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Speaker 1: principle of intuitive eating. It is the very last principle

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Speaker 1: really confusing for people when they're like, but wait a second,

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Speaker 1: food freedom. I want to eat whatever I want, whenever

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Speaker 1: like moderation comes in, because yes, like if food freedom

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Speaker 1: expert in eating disorders. So I am reading this from

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Speaker 1: the Health at Every Size website. Health at Every Size

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Speaker 1: Principles help us advance social justice, create an inclusive and

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Speaker 1: respectful community, and support people of all sizes and finding

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Speaker 1: compassionate ways to take care of themselves. I freaking love that.

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Speaker 1: So I like that it is talking about destigmatizing and

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Speaker 1: our bodies and all of that. It's not saying anything else.

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Speaker 1: So the principles they are around celebrating body diversity, honoring

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Speaker 1: like differences, and embody sizes, ages, wraith, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation,

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Speaker 1: and having like compassionate self care. In this it includes

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Speaker 1: active and eating in a flexible in a tuned manner

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Speaker 1: that values pleasure and honors internal cues of hunger, sotiety, appetite,

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Speaker 1: are respecting the social conditions that frame eating options. We

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Speaker 1: could do a whole episode on this, and we're not

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Speaker 1: going to do that today. But what I want you

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Speaker 1: guys to hear is really what this what this is saying.

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Speaker 1: It's giving us a framework to come towards each other

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Speaker 1: as humans and as professionals, to treat all people the

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna use as an example, and you tell

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Speaker 1: me if this fits. You're a doctor either, but you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, like, I'm a doctor and

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Speaker 1: I have this client who has is going into heart failure. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So instead of just being like, well, this is your weight,

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Speaker 1: because this person maybe is a certain this is your weight,

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Speaker 1: might happen. But health of every size is looking at

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Speaker 1: a person who is another size and treating the same way.

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Speaker 1: So if this other client who's in a smaller body

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Speaker 1: comes in and they're going to heart failure, are you

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Speaker 1: going to also just automatically say it's because of your weight?

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Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna say, like, what is your what's

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Speaker 1: your lifestyle or what's this or what You're going to

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Speaker 1: ask them all these questions and you're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of that. Versus I would just lose weight, Well,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? We just talked about calories. If

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Speaker 1: you could lose weight eating a heart disease, promoting diet exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's so frustrated. We do a whole another podcast on

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Speaker 1: the frustration of medical community, and that's not helpful. I

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Speaker 1: really loved what one of our friends, Kyle said one

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Speaker 1: time when she was on the podcast. She said, health

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Speaker 1: and every size and healthy and every size are very

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Speaker 1: different things, and we've kind of put them together, and

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Speaker 1: so we need to pay attention to like and again,

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Speaker 1: I think diet culture has hijacked the word health and healthy.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that before or before we started recording,

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Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to take a second to

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Speaker 1: talk about that because we need to actually look at

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Speaker 1: what health at Every Size is versus how people are

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Speaker 1: using it to like promote their brand or product or

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Speaker 1: their lifestyle or there. Because health at every size also

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Speaker 1: means that what works for you isn't going to work

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Speaker 1: for me, and we're going to have different lifestyles based

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Speaker 1: on what kind of life we want to live. And

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Speaker 1: it's the same with like bringing in Health at Every

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Speaker 1: side's principles and the intuitive eating part, where we're it's

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Speaker 1: still promoting like what do we need to take care

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Speaker 1: of your body so that you feel empowered and capable

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Speaker 1: and feel good and have a good relationship with food

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Speaker 1: in your body. So to wrap that up. But I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Crystal about also before we start recording ISS,

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Speaker 1: like we have these extreme views out there that we have,

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Speaker 1: like the like the Jillian Michael's type views that are

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Speaker 1: these like super activist well meaning I think both of

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Speaker 1: these people aren't trying to hurt anybody. Then we have

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Speaker 1: these well meaning people over here that are and and

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Speaker 1: that's fine too, but it's okay to like find some

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Speaker 1: space in the middle that doesn't feel so extreme and

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Speaker 1: so black and white, right, because what it's still creating

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Speaker 1: like everyone is supposed to do this type of diet,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't work. Everyone is so different, everyone's different

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Speaker 1: life style. So how was that one way of doing

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Speaker 1: it supposed to work for millions of people? And that's

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Speaker 1: why it doesn't. And so even taking all of these

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Speaker 1: principles and putting them in the very like black and

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Speaker 1: white frame, it still creates a mold of like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to like love all this food and like

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Speaker 1: just be able to eat it whenever I want to.

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Speaker 1: But when it's not working for you, we get confused,

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Speaker 1: you know, like wait, but I'm supposed to be able

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Speaker 1: to like go out to eat for every meal and

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Speaker 1: like you know, like feel good and like you know,

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Speaker 1: and like because it worked for that person, work for you,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't also working right, you know, but it's not

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Speaker 1: what works for you because it doesn't feel good to you.

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Speaker 1: So this is where the intuitive eating you really have

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Speaker 1: to look at all of the principles together and not

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Speaker 1: just pick out ones that sounds the easiest and the

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Speaker 1: most fun, because that's just it's it's just more than that.

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Speaker 1: It's more than that. And so yeah, I think what

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Speaker 1: I would just encourage you guys is to be curious

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Speaker 1: you hear. Be curious and just like I say to

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Speaker 1: you guys all the time, don't grab onto everything like

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Speaker 1: that I say as it's gold, because it might not

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Speaker 1: be gold. I'm not always a percent write about everything,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want anybody, including my clients, to ever

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Speaker 1: think that because we're all different and our brains are different.

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Speaker 1: People are different, it's different, and passion is contagious. So

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Speaker 1: like when you see somebody who's really all about one thing,

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, I want that too, So I got

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Speaker 1: to do that, and then we get confused why that

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Speaker 1: doesn't work for us. So thanks for being here, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for walking through this very scary conversation that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be scary. But I think that's maybe that's our own

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Speaker 1: humanness and our own work that we have to do

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Speaker 1: around like fear of being misunderstood. I know that's what

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Speaker 1: it is for me. I have a big fear of

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Speaker 1: like harming somebody by being misunderstood, and I never want

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Speaker 1: this podcast to do that, even though it might well,

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Speaker 1: it's and like not being able to like have a

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Speaker 1: dialogue with people have questions, you know, it's that's I

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Speaker 1: think what makes it scary for me is that you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't respond to things, and so people can kind

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Speaker 1: of take away things that we didn't say. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: again I will encourage you guys. If you have questions,

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Speaker 1: send them to Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast dot

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Speaker 1: com and if they're appropriate, we might be able to

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Speaker 1: answer them on the couch Talks. So that's all I got.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could sit here for three more hours,

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Speaker 1: but that's all I got for now. Um, So thanks

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Speaker 1: for being here. And if you want to get in

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Speaker 1: touch with Crystal, I'll put your stuff in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: But do you want to shout out your your Instagram

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Speaker 1: email and website. Yeah, Instagram is Horizon Underscore Nutrition Counseling

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Speaker 1: And if you want to email me directly, you can

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Speaker 1: email info at Horizon Nutrition Counseling dot com. Can people

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Speaker 1: work with you that don't live in Tennessee? No, okay, fortunately,

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Speaker 1: all right, so if you live in Tennessee, if you

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Speaker 1: or if you live in Colorado, I can because they

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Speaker 1: don't have licensure there. Oh, okay Colorado for a couple

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Speaker 1: other ones like okay, all right, well, thank you and

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Speaker 1: I will talk to you guys on one day. Four

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Speaker 1: couch Tucks bayh