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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a time honored tradition. When things go wrong

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Speaker 2: with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, we call Rick Stroud. He

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Speaker 2: covers the Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times Sports Day

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Podcast. You want to start with Baker or

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Speaker 2: Vita Vea.

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, I'm feeling a little disrespected. I'm a little

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Speaker 3: undervalued by you, quite frankly.

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Speaker 4: I've been on you know, McAfee and Rich Eisen, but

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Speaker 4: you finally got around to me. But uh, yeah, let's

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Speaker 4: start with Baker because that seems to be the headlines.

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Speaker 3: He kind of went after his ownership a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, help me understand this business strategy with Baker. I mean, this,

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Speaker 2: you know, fits with his personality, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: what kind of number he's looking for and if ownership

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Speaker 2: is going to acquiesce to this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think he was looking you know, as

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Speaker 4: much as the number obviously that was they would have

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Speaker 4: begun with a five I think is in fifty something million,

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Speaker 4: But the years is what really was disappointing to him

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Speaker 4: as much as anything, and they felt like they came down.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that they probably started a four years and

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Speaker 4: we're talking about guaranteed money, right, because that's really all

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Speaker 4: that matters, you know. I think they felt like they

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Speaker 4: moved to three and the Glaziers were insisting on two.

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Speaker 4: And if you feel or you're being told you're a

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Speaker 4: franchise quarterback, I think most guys would expect more than

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Speaker 4: two years. And to be honest with you, Dan, I

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Speaker 4: mean this franchise. The thirty million dollars or thirty three

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Speaker 4: million that Baker has averaged the last three years, that's

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Speaker 4: the most money they've ever paid a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They never paid quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: And you go back to Doug Williams before the Glaziers,

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Speaker 4: Steve Young, Vinny Testaverdi, Trent Doper, Jameis Winston. Those guys

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Speaker 4: never made second contracts. So I think the valuation of

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Speaker 4: the position is kind of shocking to the Glaziers a

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Speaker 4: little bit. They say they love Baker, and I believe

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Speaker 4: they do, but you know, it just it wasn't gonna

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Speaker 4: happen for him for two years. He just didn't think

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Speaker 4: that that was something that he felt he had earned

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Speaker 4: more than that after the last three years that he's

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Speaker 4: put in here.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so what happens, Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you know they can say that it's not going

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Speaker 4: to be an effect on his team.

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Speaker 3: You know, Baker is best when he's backed into a corner.

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Speaker 4: We all know that walk on to Texas Tech, walk

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Speaker 4: on in Oklahoma, win the Heisman, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I think you have to kind of look and say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: what happened in the offseason. Mike Evans decides to go

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Speaker 4: to San Francisco. They offered him more money to stay,

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Speaker 4: he didn't stay for whatever reason. And then you have

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Speaker 4: Vitavea saying he wants to be traded, not a new contract,

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Speaker 4: I want out of here. And then fortunately for him,

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Speaker 4: he got the oh I gotta tweaked back situation so

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Speaker 4: I don't get fined fifty.

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Speaker 3: Thousand dollars a day. And then now you have Bakers.

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Speaker 4: So you know, when guys in that locker room see

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Speaker 4: they're not taking care of Baker, they're not taking care

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Speaker 4: of Vita, I gotta believe that that they have talks,

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Speaker 4: and it's probably not a good vibe, but you know

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Speaker 4: that Baker's gonna go out there and play with his

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Speaker 4: hair on fire, and that's really all that matters. At

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Speaker 4: the end end of the day is just how hard

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Speaker 4: he goes and hopefully he'll be healthy.

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Speaker 3: That's another thing. He's the only one.

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Speaker 4: Of three guys Dan that started all three years every game,

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Speaker 4: but he's played, but he's not played well at times

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Speaker 4: because of the injuries that he's had.

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Speaker 5: So how does this go bad?

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Speaker 4: It goes bad if if Baker gets hurt, it goes

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Speaker 4: really bad for Baker. He's no security after this year.

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Speaker 4: It goes bad if they get to the end of

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Speaker 4: the year and you know, Baker, if he has a

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Speaker 4: good year, Uh, they can franchise tag him. I know

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of dead money, but they you know,

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Speaker 4: the cap is is you know, hocus pocus stuff. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: they'll move money around, so they'll try to lock him up.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I could see Baker getting to the

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Speaker 4: end of the year if he had a great year

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Speaker 4: and saying I don't want to be franchised. You guys

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Speaker 4: had your chance before the season. You know this, this

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Speaker 4: is kind of what he's been mister, you know, shoulder chips.

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Speaker 4: So I don't, I don't, I don't really know. But

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Speaker 4: but they have a chance to win this division and

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Speaker 4: it's gotten a little better. They're still I think the

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not impossible that you know, they've done

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Speaker 4: this with other players, including Mike Evans when you get

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Speaker 4: through the season. Mike Evans didn't want to talk about

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Speaker 4: a contract he was in his last year, but right

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Speaker 4: before free agency they gave him, you know, two years,

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Speaker 4: fifty two million dollars and everybody was happy.

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Speaker 3: So there'll be time.

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Speaker 4: Franchise tag hold places for guys to get longer term deals.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see how it goes. It all depends on

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Speaker 3: how he plays well.

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Speaker 2: And that's different to Viteveos saying it. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to hear about a contract. I want out what's the

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Speaker 2: likelihood that he'll be traded.

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably very slim to none.

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Speaker 3: They need him in their defense.

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Speaker 4: They I've talked to Todd Bowles last year and he said,

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Speaker 4: that's the one guy I have. No one I can

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Speaker 4: replace him with. You know, he occupies two guys on

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Speaker 4: every play. But when you're thirty one years old and

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Speaker 4: you're way upwards of three hundred and fifty five pounds,

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Speaker 4: probably no one's actually gotten on a scale next to him,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know what he weighs, but you know,

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Speaker 4: that's that's a tough thing. But he's making seventeen million.

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Speaker 4: I think they could just juice up this year, give him,

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Speaker 4: you know, get him into the twenties for this season,

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Speaker 4: let him become a free agent after this season. And

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Speaker 4: if they do that, he'd be in the top ten,

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Speaker 4: which is where he belongs as far as pay goes.

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Speaker 4: And maybe everybody's happy, but he is here. He has

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Speaker 4: that back tweak, he hasn't walked out of camp, he's

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Speaker 4: not being fine, So those are all good signs that

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Speaker 4: maybe they can work something out.

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Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you, Rick, Thanks, thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thanks good saying Jeh.

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Speaker 5: That's Rick Stroud.

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Speaker 2: Earth Wind and Fire no better R and B band

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Speaker 2: than earth Wind and Fire. Right, I think that's a consensus, correct?

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Speaker 8: I think so?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, Dylan.

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Speaker 9: I would like to throw sly in the family stone

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Speaker 9: into the cottage.

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Speaker 5: You would get no argument from me with slying the

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Speaker 5: family stone.

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Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, Paul, cool in the gang upper echelon, though

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Speaker 10: not equal to but in that neck of the wood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Earth went in fire and Slide. They probably stand alone.

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Speaker 2: Cool in the gang was cool, but uh okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they'd probably be a B band maybe B plus.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Mar and a lot of people would differentiate. There

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Speaker 8: was the instrumental cool in the gang, and then they

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Speaker 8: real big pop hits. So there's two different cools in

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Speaker 8: the gang.

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Speaker 5: Cool in the gangs, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 9: Modern era boys to Men strong representation.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're the Sami Sosa of R and B. They

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Speaker 8: had a three year run that who was unbelievable?

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Speaker 5: Wait were they cheating?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 8: No, no, I just mean three sixty Okay, they had

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Speaker 8: three sixty home run seasons.

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Speaker 3: Boys to make.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jeff Passon walking into this topic, ESPN Senior Baseball Insider,

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Speaker 2: you have anything you want to offer up on this topic.

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Speaker 10: I was born on the twenty first of September, so

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Speaker 10: I love that song and I was wondering if that

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Speaker 10: was intentional, someone was doing like a little Sly nod there.

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Speaker 10: And by the way, Sly and the family Stone probably

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I agree they that.

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Speaker 2: I still look back of what they were doing when

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Speaker 2: they were doing it, and Sly was pretty unique. Without Sly,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you have prints. I think his impact

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Speaker 2: was even Rick James, Sly and the family Stone probably

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Speaker 2: had a large influence on them. Okay, we're here to

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Speaker 2: talk baseball. By the way, are the Mets selling? Are

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Speaker 2: they a seller at the deadline? What are they doing? Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they're selling. Just how much they sell?

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Speaker 10: I'm not quite sure, but I anticipate Freddy Pearlton is

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Speaker 10: think at this point the market is strong enough where

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Speaker 10: even though he's under contract for next season, there are

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Speaker 10: so few relievers dan of potentially great impact like eighth

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Speaker 10: now that I think the Mets are going to catch

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Speaker 10: that one in Clay Holmes's market is great at this point.

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Speaker 10: I was talking with the team last night. That's like,

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Speaker 10: you know, we're interested in him. But what they're projecting

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Speaker 10: that they're going to get is a little too rich

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Speaker 10: for our blood. So in this season of absolute doom

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Speaker 10: from the New York Mets, the possibility of at least

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Speaker 10: a little bit of salvaging going on at the trade

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Speaker 10: deadline here, it makes makes the pain a little less

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Speaker 10: bad than it's been. But really, what a disappointing season

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Speaker 10: for them? I mean, what a what a does that?

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Speaker 9: Every year?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of relievers, we brunt this up last week or

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Speaker 5: Is the role as Chapman going to be a Hall

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Speaker 9: By the numbers, Dan, they sure do well?

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Speaker 10: It's those three this generation, And I think once you know,

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Speaker 5: This steroid era.

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Speaker 2: Because of that, it feels like we're getting Hall of

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Speaker 5: Of home runs. Are these Are these all? Hey? Hall

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Speaker 9: But I also think that this is less to do.

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Speaker 9: A really long time at a really level.

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Speaker 9: But is he the best ever? No, he's the most

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Speaker 10: He can be the best ever if he continues to

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Speaker 2: But if Babe Ruth knew about show Hey Otani, he

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Speaker 9: You know what, I actually think that is in astute point.

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Speaker 10: But I don't know what kind of I don't know

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Speaker 10: here's fifty one for you to go, or fifty nine

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Speaker 10: just so many things that Shoheo Tani has done throughout

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Speaker 10: I think you see the Tampa Bay Rays, the Milwaukee Brewers,

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Speaker 9: Now, I don't think Casu's made.

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Speaker 10: Who's the number one prospect in all of baseball shortstop

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Speaker 10: The lifeblood of the Tampa Bay Rays and the Milwaukee

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Speaker 11: And that's why, remember that's why this time of year,

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Speaker 10: we are now talking about on the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 10: And it very easily could have just been either ignored

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Speaker 10: or casually comically eye rolled away. But no, they made

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Speaker 10: something out of this. And here's the thing. Bryce Harper

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Speaker 10: was right. The Phillies do need to add. They need

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Speaker 10: to add in multiple areas. They need a leverage reliever,

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Speaker 10: they need a fifth starter, they need an outfield bad

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Speaker 10: they need maybe another bat as well on top of that.

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Speaker 10: So I think everything he was saying right, it was true.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you is always have fun this

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Speaker 2: weekend and certainly on Monday.

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Speaker 10: I appreciate you not asking about Trek Schoobel. This is

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Speaker 10: the only time that will happen. And yes, I do

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Speaker 10: think school is getting traded, and yes, of course Dodgers

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Speaker 10: are the favorites.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeff, Jeff Passion. Fox Sports Radio has the

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Speaker 2: Matt Barrows, he covers the forty nine ers for the

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Speaker 2: Athletic He's been covering the team since two thousand and three. Matt,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on short notice. How would you

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Speaker 2: describe the last two weeks around this team?

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Speaker 5: Hectic?

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Speaker 12: That would be the way I would start.

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Speaker 13: It seems like there's a big news item every moment here,

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Speaker 13: including last night with Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 12: The big one, and I'm sure you want to ask

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Speaker 12: me about.

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Speaker 13: It, is the Kyle Shanahan accident crash, and that's obviously

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Speaker 13: still looming over the team right now.

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Speaker 12: I don't think he's going to be back.

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Speaker 13: At practice today in full and we really don't know

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Speaker 13: exactly when he's going to kind.

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Speaker 12: Of resume his everyday duties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it just feels like we keep adding to the

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Speaker 2: mystery of this white Isn't this just a cut and

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Speaker 2: dried story that coach gets injured car accident, non life

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Speaker 2: threatening injuries, will let you know when he's going to

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Speaker 2: be back at practice. Couldn't it just exist like that

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Speaker 2: from the beginning?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it should have if the team had kind of

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Speaker 13: disclosed it on what was it, July fourteen when it happened.

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Speaker 12: But I think when you don't do that, and there

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Speaker 12: were some things out of.

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Speaker 13: Their control that happened, for example the Palo Alto PD,

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Speaker 13: and this is just part of the same issue, I think,

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Speaker 13: and not disclosing things and kind of creating a problem

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Speaker 13: because of that. The Palo Alto PD does not handle

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Speaker 13: accident reports like crime reports. They're not public information. So

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Speaker 13: they didn't disclose the accident report and they still haven't

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Speaker 13: to this point, so it's not available. It's not like

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Speaker 13: he's go down there and you know, like a good

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Speaker 13: reporter and check the police logs and you would have

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Speaker 13: found it. It didn't exist, and the only way it

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Speaker 13: became public was when they submitted the information to a

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Speaker 13: state database, which was public. The problem is that they

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Speaker 13: submitted it incorrectly. They got one of the items wrong,

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Speaker 13: which was who caused the crash, and that led to

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Speaker 13: the confusion, like.

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Speaker 12: Maybe a day's worth of news.

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Speaker 13: Items were saying that this other driver, the twenty one

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Speaker 13: year old female driver, is the one that's served. Well, no,

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Speaker 13: that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 12: So it just adds another layer.

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Speaker 13: Of kind of uncertainty to the whole thing. It makes

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Speaker 13: people think that there's more going on there than what

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Speaker 13: there really is.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like if the niners come out and

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Speaker 2: say he's in an accident, then okay, we'll wait for

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Speaker 2: any details that come out after that.

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Speaker 5: It happens.

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Speaker 2: But when everybody's holding this information or those who had

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Speaker 2: it held it, and then you get the green light,

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Speaker 2: and then everybody's got a tweet and then you have

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Speaker 2: a story, and I go, they're just they're adding to

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Speaker 2: the suspicion surrounding this. That's what I This to me,

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Speaker 2: was preventable.

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Speaker 12: Matt, Well, you're speaking to the choir on that, of course.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I can only think.

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Speaker 13: That they were waiting to see, you know, what would

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Speaker 13: happen with Kyle Shanahan. This happened eleven days before the

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Speaker 13: start of training camp and before he needed to be

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Speaker 13: in front of the media, in front of the team,

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Speaker 13: et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 12: So I think that they thought that there.

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Speaker 13: Was a possibility he would have been back and full

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Speaker 13: by that point. I mean, if he had been back,

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Speaker 13: there's no way, you know, if he's up there at

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Speaker 13: the podium with his.

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Speaker 12: Hat pulled down low like he.

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Speaker 13: Normally wears it, at that point, I don't think anyone

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Speaker 13: could have could tell that he'd been in an accident.

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Speaker 13: It's it's the concussion that's really been the the lingering issue,

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Speaker 13: and you just never know when, uh, that's gonna heal

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Speaker 13: back to normal. But I agree with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 13: If if they had just put it out immediately, and if.

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Speaker 12: The Palo Alto PD had just said, Okay, here's the accident.

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Speaker 13: Report and and here's all the information, and all of

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Speaker 13: that confusion and all of the distrust, you know, towards

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Speaker 13: the team toward court reporters.

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Speaker 12: I'm getting a lot of.

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Speaker 13: The the back blow from it to uh like I'm

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Speaker 13: I'm somehow in cahoots with how Shanahan and Palo Alto PD.

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Speaker 12: I'm not would wouldn't have wouldn't have occurred.

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Speaker 2: When Shanahan was made available to reporters with no cameras

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Speaker 2: any topics, uh not allowed.

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Speaker 12: If there were, I mean, they were off the record,

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Speaker 12: so I can't tell you. But he kind of explained

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Speaker 12: what his you know, his point of view was, and

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Speaker 12: this was on the record. I mean, he was very

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Speaker 12: distressed that this other driver, a.

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Speaker 13: Twenty one year old female who he was already really

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Speaker 13: guilty over, you know, putting in harm's way, had initially

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Speaker 13: been blamed for the crash when it was his fault,

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Speaker 13: his inattention. So that was the impetus of him calling

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Speaker 13: reporters in. And then the other part was to explain

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Speaker 13: what we just talked about, that it wasn't his intent

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Speaker 13: to hide it. He said that he you know, called

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Speaker 13: fourteen I don't know, maybe maybe a dozen close associates, friends, family,

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Speaker 13: let them know, and he didn't tell them not.

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Speaker 12: To put it out there. He thought it would. It

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Speaker 12: just didn't at.

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Speaker 13: That point, and the team hasn't said exactly why it

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Speaker 13: didn't put it out there. You know, to your point,

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Speaker 13: it's it's an accident that happens. There was no you know,

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Speaker 13: criminality involved, No one was cited in the in the

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Speaker 13: whole thing. He's the only one that got hurt, So

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Speaker 13: I think that they just they just figured, you know,

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Speaker 13: it's it's something that everybody has and we're just going

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Speaker 13: to kind of let it go.

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Speaker 2: Ask for the Niners on the field this year, that

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Speaker 2: seems to be a mystery too, Matt. You're in a

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Speaker 2: real tough division. How would you handicap what to expect

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Speaker 2: from the Niners?

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Speaker 5: Well, with the.

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Speaker 13: Forty nine ers that it all boils down to health

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Speaker 13: every year, and you know, one of the guys that

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Speaker 13: they're they're counting on, Rickey Pearsall. He was going to

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Speaker 13: start opposite Mike Evans this year. I think his season

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Speaker 13: is really up in the air now. He's still dealing

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Speaker 13: with the PCL issue that bothered him for more than

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Speaker 13: half the season last year. They're going to sign Deebo

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Speaker 13: Samuel and he very likely will kind of slide into

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Speaker 13: that Z receiver role opposite Mike Evans, which is great.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's not going to be any kind of

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Speaker 13: learning curve there. He's well known inside the locker room,

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Speaker 13: but he's another guy in his thirties on that offense.

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Speaker 13: And you're talking about a team that's dealt with health

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Speaker 13: issues in recent seasons. Those health issues, Dan, don't go

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Speaker 13: away when you turn thirty, and I think that's going

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Speaker 13: to be, you know, if everybody can stay healthy, or

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Speaker 13: if they can even stay relatively healthy. They showed last

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Speaker 13: year in going twelve and five that they can be

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Speaker 13: a good team, but I think that that is, you know,

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Speaker 13: is going to determine whether they're keeping pace with the

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Speaker 13: Ramps and Seahawks from now.

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Speaker 2: Matt, thank you. Not everybody wanted to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I know you've been covering that team

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and three, so thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: us anytime.

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Speaker 12: Dan, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Matt Barrows