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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norie with you.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Donna Mark's back with us. Has been a licensed

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Speaker 2: psychotherapist and addictions counselor in Palm Beach, Florida for more

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Speaker 2: than thirty years. In nineteen eighty nine, doctor Marx developed

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Speaker 2: a chemical dependency training program at the Palm Beach Community College,

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Speaker 2: which has grown into a four year degree now and

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Speaker 2: received the Florida Governor's Council Award. How about that. She

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Speaker 2: is also a certified gestalt therapist, psychoanalyst, hypnotist, and teaches

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Speaker 2: a course in miracles, along with sharing her methods with

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of listeners on podcasts and radio shows.

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Speaker 2: Her website, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, She's on all social but

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Speaker 2: we've got the website linked up at COASTOCOASTAM dot com.

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Speaker 2: She was with me when we talked about her book

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Speaker 2: called Exit the Maze, One Addiction, One Cause, One Solution.

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Speaker 2: Her latest work is called Healing Moment, Seven Paths to

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Speaker 2: Turn Messes into Miracles of Love. Dona, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I'm great and I'm so happy to be back

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Speaker 3: on your show, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Last week I had the fill on talking about addictions

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Speaker 2: as well, and we'll talk about them in a different

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Speaker 2: way with you tonight. But a lot of people have addictions,

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Speaker 2: don't they. Yes.

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Speaker 3: I believe it's the number one global health problem and

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Speaker 3: we don't recognize it as such because we have heart attacks, stroke, cancer,

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Speaker 3: lung disease, kidney disease, liver disease, and almost all of

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Speaker 3: those are based in abuse in terms of people who

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Speaker 3: eat too many trans fats, smoke, drink too much alcohol.

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Speaker 3: I take drugs and those toxins have caused permanent damage

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Speaker 3: for the organs, and then person goes to the doctor

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Speaker 3: and they get diagnosed with the physical symptoms rather than

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Speaker 3: the actual underlying cause.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the title of your new book, The

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Speaker 2: Healing Moment, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well. We all have at some point in our life,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes we realize that sometimes we don't. The healing

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Speaker 3: moment is that moment in time where you get that

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Speaker 3: oh aha, now I see this wasn't so hard after all,

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Speaker 3: or this was a good thing, or I could make

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Speaker 3: this change. We learn how to listen to. We have

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Speaker 3: two voices. One of fear when of love, and we

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Speaker 3: learned to listen to that second voice, that quiet, still voice,

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Speaker 3: and when we do listen to it, we do have

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Speaker 3: those miracles. And no matter how bad we've messed up

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Speaker 3: or whatever mistakes we've made, we can clean it up

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Speaker 3: and turn it into a miracle.

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Speaker 2: Some people don't listen to that second voice, don at

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Speaker 2: this side it. So it's one of those things.

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Speaker 3: Very true, very true, And it doesn't matter what mistakes

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Speaker 3: we make, we can always turn it into a miracle.

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Speaker 3: But we can't do it of our own. We can't

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Speaker 3: do it when we're afraid to do it.

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Speaker 2: And this is not a very religious, a spiritual book.

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Speaker 2: It's more metaphysical, I would guess, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think metaphysical is spiritual, and I don't like

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Speaker 3: to talk about that per se because so many people

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Speaker 3: will put their fingers in their ears and go no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no. But I think we all can relate to

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Speaker 3: guides us. It's like our moral compass, and even atheists,

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Speaker 3: you know, will acknowledge, Yeah, there's something going on in

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Speaker 3: sets of thoughts, so it is spiritual, and that love

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Speaker 3: is spiritual. To me, God is love. Love is God.

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Speaker 3: So once we tap into that source within us, then

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Speaker 2: It seems lately, Dona that so many people are negative.

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Speaker 2: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Because we're living on fear. It's all around us. We

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Speaker 3: could make that shift, we would be so much freer

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Speaker 3: to manifest our talents, our dreams, our goals, and get

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about these seven paths as you

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Speaker 2: talk about in the book. How did you pick the seven?

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Speaker 2: Why not eight? Why not ten? Why not three?

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Speaker 3: That's just what came to me when I was writing.

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Speaker 3: There's no magic formula, although seven is one of the

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Speaker 3: more spiritual numbers, I'm told, but it really it's just,

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Speaker 3: you know, to me, the most important. There's probably more,

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Speaker 2: That's right, exactly all right, let's go through the seven.

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Speaker 2: The first one, of course, the voice of love tell

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was referring to a little bit ago.

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Speaker 3: We run on the voice of fear. You shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: done this, you shouldn't have done that, you shouldn't correct this,

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Speaker 3: it's just that it's like I call it the bingo

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Speaker 3: machine in the brain. It just never shuts up. It

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Speaker 3: that negative state. It just never stops. But there's also

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Speaker 3: that quiet, still voice. It doesn't intrude upon our thoughts,

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Speaker 3: but it's always there and we can always access that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the water fountain. You have to

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Speaker 3: turn it on to get nourished with the water, and

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing with that voice of love. It's

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Speaker 3: always come inwards. Sometimes it's a feeling and intuition. People say,

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Speaker 3: and so however you won't perceive it. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: That is the voice of love.

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Speaker 2: Where does the voice come from? Is it God given?

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe we're born with it, and I do

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Speaker 3: believe it's God given. But again, God to me is love.

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Speaker 3: It's a loving energy, a loving force, the alpha and

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Speaker 3: believe we're born perfect. I'm not saying that every you know,

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Speaker 3: this inner knowing. There are people who have severe disabilities,

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Speaker 3: we can all be motivational speakers. And I don't mean

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Speaker 2: The second path control.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, well we're all busy trying to control everything

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Speaker 3: not here on the planet to try and change anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Why is it that some people are control freaks.

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Speaker 3: Donna, because they're running on higher degrees of fear than others.

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Speaker 3: The more fear that we're writing on and being driven by,

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Speaker 2: Is there a difference between that kind of control and

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not necessarily control. Running a business efficiently and

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. Next third path trust, Well, trust.

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Speaker 3: if you are trustworthy, then you're not paranoid about everyone

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Speaker 3: so afraid of being hurt, are so afraid of being wrong,

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Speaker 3: They don't fall in love, they don't manifest their dreams,

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Speaker 2: Next, one of my favorites forgiveness.

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Speaker 3: Forgiveness is so important because when we hold on to

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Speaker 3: Forgiveness is lightening up on all that. It's releasing everyone

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Speaker 3: that little part that will say you should have been smarter,

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Speaker 3: you should have known better, even children myself as a child,

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Speaker 3: when I was being abused, there was a I said,

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Speaker 3: we should have, could have, would have? I think you said,

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Speaker 2: Interesting fast respect.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of scarcity consciousness. I think this

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