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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and this is our number two of the Drive

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt it is time for

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Speaker 1: the fantasy football focus. And as we mentioned earlier, Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hill with that ankle injury return to limited practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: That's promising. I mean it's a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's obviously super valuable and anyone in their

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Speaker 2: fantasy league is waiting with baited breath on that one obviously. Yeah, yeah, promising.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can see the you know, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: this week just taking deron Bland and saying you match

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Speaker 1: up on Tyreek, that'll work.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Oh again, we've talked about We talked about Bland earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week, and this is kind of true with

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Speaker 2: Diggs as well. With them and then they want their

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Speaker 2: corners to be aggressive, but people target Bland. They go

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Speaker 2: out of their way to throw at him. He's not

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Speaker 2: a defensive Player of the Year type of player.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree. Titans quarterback Will Levis with an ankle

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Speaker 1: injury did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it doesn't sound promising, No, I think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Yep, yep, yep. Eagles wide receiver Devonte Smith

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Speaker 1: with the knee injury did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy anyway you cut it. I mean, he's okay, but

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Speaker 2: that passing game is not flourishing, and they seem to

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Speaker 2: be feeding Brown more than the other guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Cardinals wide receiver Marquise Brown with the heel injury

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Speaker 1: did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: That's been lingering a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if he just shuts it down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss with the forearm did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that yesterday. I don't think he plays

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Speaker 1: this week. I think it's all Jonathan Taylor and Taylor too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, and they found some backups that are serviceable, you know,

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Speaker 2: so why rush Moss back.

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Speaker 1: Jets quarterback Zach Wilson with a concussion did not practice

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. That does not bode well for him to

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Speaker 1: play this week. Yeah, if you're still not practicing, So

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Speaker 1: it's Trevor Simeon who is in line to start for

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Speaker 1: the Jets this week. Trevor Simeon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've seen less accomplished quarterbacks come in

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Speaker 2: and play. I mean, it's better than Boyle. I mean

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Speaker 2: some of the low marks that Wilson's had. What do

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Speaker 2: you think of Hall and Wilson? I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: a fantasy segment though the writer Scaret Wilson in Hall.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're the only prefer.

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Speaker 1: Halland Oates's and they don't they don't even speak now.

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Speaker 2: Neither one of those guys are worth anything last week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can you not see the one of them?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're so talented.

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Speaker 1: It's really tough too.

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Speaker 2: It's really tough to Yeah, don't matter. The quarterback is if.

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Speaker 1: You're still alive, you probably have better options.

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Speaker 2: You would, hope. I mean, either could bounce back, but

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Speaker 2: they almost have to have a big play.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon to me, you know, and we just had

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Speaker 1: Bob Labriel on in the last hour and he was

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Speaker 1: talking about Mason Rudolph not getting any feelers, and I

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Speaker 1: to do with the Cleveland incident. Yeah, and the allegations

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Speaker 1: from Miles Garrett after that that where unless you actually

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Speaker 1: knew Mason Rudolph and all of his teammates after that

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Speaker 1: situation where he was accused of making a racist comment, said, no,

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Speaker 1: they didn't hear. Guys who were right there, wasn't right

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Speaker 1: next to Hi. Yeah, they were right there the entire time.

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Speaker 1: Didn't hear anything of the sort. Maybe you just look

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Speaker 1: at it and go, is he going to be worth

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Speaker 1: bringing into our locker room? And we got to explain

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Speaker 1: to and he's going to explain, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: as Rudolph said this week, you know, he said, look,

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Speaker 1: I've been here a long time. I've made a lot

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Speaker 1: of friendships here. That doesn't happen if you're a jerk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I do remember him saying that

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Speaker 2: I could see that working as a tie against him.

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Speaker 2: You sign this guy or the other guy. Well, this

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Speaker 2: guy needs to come in and clear that air first,

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Speaker 2: whether it's true or not. So let's sign the other guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I mean, I was shocked that he

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Speaker 1: But there are some other guys in the league right

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Speaker 2: I thought he would be a two somewhere. I was

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Speaker 1: Very honest with you, uh, Tanny Hill. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Might be an outside chance to throw at the Willis,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you have a maybe you have a package

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Speaker 2: If Levis is out for the year, do you throw Willis.

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Speaker 1: In there in week eighteen or maybe Yeah, maybe they've

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're telling us all they need to know about Willis.

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Speaker 1: Vikings running back Alexander Madison with the ankle, did not

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Speaker 1: practice again on Thursday, so it looks like it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone's played fantasy as long as us I mean

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Speaker 2: realizes that, especially the running back position in the in

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Speaker 2: the fantasy playoffs, there's always a guy or two that

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Speaker 2: just pops up that you don't think is worth a thing,

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Speaker 2: or you just go off the waiver wire that has

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Speaker 2: opportunity and fresh legs and they can help me. When

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Speaker 2: you're league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're if you have Keenan Allen, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: need one of those guys at wide receiver because he

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Speaker 1: is out this week against the Bills, just in time

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Speaker 1: for them eating. So you didn't have Keenan Allen last week.

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Speaker 1: If you survived last week, now you're also going to

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Speaker 2: Well, Herbert's not there, Mike Williams isn't there. Can you

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Speaker 2: use Eckler?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the bill's just hemorrhage. You're uh, typically have

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Speaker 1: not been great against the run, but not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if i'm if I'm Buffalo, I'm just gonna load up

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, Yeah, it's don't. Don't let Eckler be

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Speaker 2: so probably not. He hasn't looked as good, frankly, as

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Speaker 2: he has in previous years. And then at the Bacle

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Speaker 2: against the Raiders there were big stretches. He wasn't even

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Speaker 2: Why beat him up? Even though he's a free agent

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Speaker 1: Would you play Josh Palmer this week?

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Speaker 2: No? I think I went. I think they could score

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Speaker 1: The Rams activated running back Ronnie Rivers from injured reserve.

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Speaker 1: It's just like his third team confuting. Yeah, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he won't. Yeah, don't worry about that one. Bears tight

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Speaker 1: end Cole Comet, with a thigh, was limited in practice

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Speaker 2: Their offense hasn't been bad. I mean he's usable.

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Speaker 1: He's been a top ten with when Fields has been

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Speaker 1: end option. But so keep an eye on that one.

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Speaker 1: Bears running back Deonta Foreman, for personal reasons, did not

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Speaker 2: That backfield just turned into a total three headed committee

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Speaker 2: with fields taking a lot of snaps too. So I

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Speaker 2: don't think you can start any of those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're all kind of equal values.

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Speaker 1: The Giants place kicker Randy Bullock with a hamstring on

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Speaker 1: injured reserve. I'm shocked Randy Bullock is still playing. He's

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Speaker 1: a long time, long time. Yeah, he was a Steelers kickers.

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Speaker 1: I think before Chris Boswell he was. He was in

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers, let's put it that way. Wow. Not recently,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers activated Joey Bosa's twenty one day practice window.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why at this point, But you're

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Speaker 2: paying him a lot of money, I guess get him

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Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, some of these ir things are gonna

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Speaker 2: be weird the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is not good news. So Zay Jones, with

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Speaker 1: the hamstring, did not practice Thursday for the Jaguars. Neither

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Speaker 1: did Trevor Lawrence after practicing yesterday, So that that's considered

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Speaker 1: a setback in the concussion protocol. That tells me he

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Speaker 1: is not going to play this week.

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Speaker 2: They played Tampa, right, Yeah, I think Tampa wins. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's that's uh who's a backup CJ. Bethard, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is a huge drop off. They're already short some

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen and pass catchers. Defense hasn't been great lately.

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Speaker 2: Things are getting away from the Jags.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not pretty. No, Ravens wide receiver is a

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Speaker 1: Flowers with a foot injury, returned to practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's important. I don't think he's quas impactful as

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Speaker 2: he was earlier in the year, but it's important.

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Speaker 1: But Ravens wide receiver Odell Beckham, which they officially listed

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Speaker 1: as an undisclosed injury, did not practice on Thursday. According

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Speaker 1: to this note, here. Beckham appeared to be favoring his

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Speaker 1: over the Jaguars. I'm surprised it's undisclosed because if somebody

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Speaker 1: misses a practice, you have to list why. That's an NFL.

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Speaker 2: Rule, especially if it was in game and he was

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Speaker 2: favoring that. Yeah, like if people are really paying attention,

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Speaker 2: like well, in the fourth quarter he got hurt and

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Speaker 1: Now, remember they do play Monday, so but they have

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Speaker 2: And I mean for fantasy. I'm not interested in starting

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Speaker 2: any of the three Ravens receivers, but it helps Lamar

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Speaker 1: Patriots tight end Hunter Henry with the knee, was limited

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Speaker 2: He's become more and more relevant. I mean, someone has

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Speaker 1: H So he was in full pass I think yesterday

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Speaker 1: right direction, like him. Yeah uh. And they are playing

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Speaker 1: Denver this week. Yeah, tight end their tight end funnel team.

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Speaker 2: He seems like a DFS option if he's healthy and

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Speaker 2: ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Commander's running back Brian Robinson with the hamstring was limited

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Speaker 1: in practice on Thursday. That's actually a step in the

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Speaker 1: right direction for him. So we'll see if he's able

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Speaker 1: to come back this week and play or would you

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Speaker 1: be interested in playing him this week?

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Speaker 2: It's not really I mean he's gonna say no him,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't play him, but I mean it's hard to

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Speaker 2: field thirty two running backs that need to actually play.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're down, we're down to now at this point

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Speaker 1: in the season. Yeah, about sixteen running.

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Speaker 2: Backs and that's my point.

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Speaker 1: And the guys are already on rosters. So if Brian

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Speaker 1: Robinson's one of your options.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you're probably happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He mentioned. Michael Pittman with concussion practiced in full

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and fire him right back up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Keenum's not it's Keenum, right, Yeah, it's not Mills.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs wide receiver Kadarius Tony with a hip did not

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Speaker 2: I don't reliable.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs running back Jerrick McKinnon with a groin did not

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Speaker 1: He will talk about smoking mirrors. The Browns have done

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Speaker 2: But I would think Gino's back by the Steeler game.

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Speaker 1: If they're losing, Yeah, he doesn't just go away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll see interesting week here this week, starting

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Speaker 2: Kamara Olave's back. I think you throw them right back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Taysom healthy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what his story is, and I think

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Speaker 1: be surprised if Taysom Hill gets eight chances to do something.

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Speaker 2: Often in near the goal line too, cop Nikua Williams

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Speaker 1: You started a defense, we went through that.

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Speaker 2: They may have ended up in our top twelves, but

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Speaker 2: I mean both these teams are fighting for a while.

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Speaker 2: But people chart corner targets much more than they ever did.

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Speaker 2: But he's been hurt the last week. He's been hurt.

440
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. They also play more zone, yeah than pretty much anybody. Yeah,

441
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean they play a ton of zone. Then you

442
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: got Makai Becton with Minnesota. He's yeah black Ben.

443
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, is a big Yeah.

444
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't cover anybody. Makai Blackman. Uh, He's played two

445
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three coverage snaps.

446
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: Okay, now they're aggressive. I mean yeah, it's like crazy,

447
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 2: and you know, we know what coach Floro's asked on.

448
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: Porter's played four hundred and thirteen coverage snaps. That's actually

449
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: second among rookies at this point to Witherspoon.

450
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: Interesting. That's what I was curious about, because I got

451
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 2: to think he's getting up there at a rapid rate

452
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: in terms of covers.

453
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: Now he may catch Witherspoon. If Witherspoon doesn't play again

454
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: this week, he might pass him or or get pretty

455
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: darn close to it. Yeah, in the next couple of weeks,

456
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: and we'll get to see them on the same field

457
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: next week, which is kind of a cool thing.

458
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: I'd have to study Witherspoon, but I think it's a

459
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: conversation just if you just narrow down those two, who's

460
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: had the better year? And if you had to pick

461
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: one of the two for defensive Rookie the Year, who

462
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: would it be. And I think that's still a fight

463
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: at this point. And if he hasn't caught him already,

464
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: I think Porter is making up ground at a rapid rate.

465
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too.

466
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, I think Jayalen Carter should be

467
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: Rookie the Year. I mean, but I think these guys

468
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: are really in competition to be next up. Like Will

469
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 2: Anderson's been hurt and he's okay, but there hasn't been

470
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: a lot of None of the linebackers have flourished. You know,

471
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: it's not a great rookie class defensively.

472
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: Then you have after that, Brian Branch he plays kind

473
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: of a he plays the slot yeah above, Yeah, he's

474
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: been good. We loved him. Yeah, but he's played three

475
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty coverage snaps.

476
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: He's also had some injuries too. I don't think he

477
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: played every game.

478
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

479
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 1: Then you have Terrell Smith with Chicago. Well, he's only

480
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: played one hundred and eighty five snaps in coverage.

481
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's their third guy.

482
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it's Porter really at four and thirteen,

483
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: and you look at Porter's great as sixty eight point nine,

484
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: but he's being asked it's the it's the Marquise Pouncy arguments.

485
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: He's doing way harder stuff.

486
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: And it's not like he's following the two, he's following

487
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: the one.

488
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

489
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, like if Chase were in town and Higgins

490
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: he'd get chased.

491
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: He would he would be following Chase like he did

492
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: the last game. Yeah, no, yeah, so I just wanted

493
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: its fantastic take a look here.

494
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: It's one of the brightest spots that happened in twenty

495
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 2: twenty three for the Steelers to me. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

496
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: I think promising for the future. The position he plays

497
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: is hard to find. Their very value. Bull, he's on

498
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: a rookie deal. He's making you know, you got him

499
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: for the next three years under contract. If he's following

500
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: guys around at that point, still, I mean, wow, you know, so,

501
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: I think it's been one of the best developments of

502
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: the whole season for this team.

503
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just looking here at receiving percentage allowed here

504
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: and he is at so.

505
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: It's like completion percentage.

506
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the completion percentage allowed when he's been targeted forty

507
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: five point five percent.

508
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Wow. Again, that's against elite route runners and DeAndre Hopkins

509
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: and Pittman and guys that are great to catch point

510
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: and it's pretty good.

511
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: That's on forty four He's allowed twenty catches on forty

512
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: four targets. You know, if you if you look at this,

513
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: the only guy better than him, well, there's two guys

514
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: better than him who have played a significant amount of snaps.

515
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: One is Jalen Ramsey. He's played two hundred and sixty

516
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: one snaps. He's given up eleven catches on twenty seven targets.

517
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 2: Like he's burst on the scene late, but he's been

518
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: unbelievably good.

519
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's Jayalen Ramsay.

520
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: He's probably going to the Hall of Fame.

521
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: The other ones they played the Jets, Yeah.

522
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: They put him on Wilson. Yeah, I mean like that

523
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: they've been they've been doing that with him too, I

524
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: mean or Andspoon's Yellow.

525
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones a Killo Witherspoon, And people have said,

526
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: why would the Steelers are gotten rid of a Killo Wetherspoon.

527
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: He's having a great year. That's a little bit of

528
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: revisionist history there, because a Kello Wetherspoon last year, could

529
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: not stay healthy, couldn't get him on the field.

530
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he flashed here.

531
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played two years ago. We're talking about a

532
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: Kello Weatherspoon is all he's He went into training camp

533
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: last year as they're starting cornerback.

534
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: You got opportunities yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

535
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: And he was running. It was it was it was

536
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: a Witherspoon and Sutton where the starters. Yes, and then

537
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: he could not stay healthy and so they made a

538
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: decision to stick with Brown.

539
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Right, And what did they give up for him? Like

540
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: a six round pick? Yeah, I mean so other teams

541
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: gave up on him too, Yeah, you know, and got

542
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: dumped him.

543
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: For God love him. He's having a great year for

544
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: the Rams. And I like the player. I like the guy.

545
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. Yeah, you know, had conversation with him.

546
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: Wants to be a doctor after he's done playing. Fantastic, spright,

547
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: young guy. But he couldn't stay healthy last year.

548
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was obviously a problem. No, he's got length

549
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: and it fits that scheme well and maybe they found

550
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: something good for him. He's having a good year.

551
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: One of the guys right behind Joey Porter Junior. He's

552
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: giving up twenty three catches on forty seven targets. Is

553
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: Jayalen Johnson?

554
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Really?

555
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: People are talking about Jayalen Johnson from the Bears, like, oh,

556
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: he's one of the best cornerbacks in the league.

557
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna get paid.

558
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: And he is. Yeah, I'm not saying he's not. But

559
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Joey Porter Junior.

560
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: Like that right now. I wouldn't mind pairing the two

561
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: of them together next year.

562
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: The Steelers, if you believe the reports, tried to do that.

563
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently they kicked the tires at least. I mean,

564
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: he fits, he's long, he's athletic, he's in the prime

565
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: of his career. He's having a really good season. He's

566
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: a free agent to be I don't know if Chicago

567
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: bring him back or not, but he's a name to know.

568
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: We talked about a lot this offseason.

569
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then you're looking at Martin Emerson from the Browns. Yeah,

570
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: he's done well twenty nine to fifty nine, so he's

571
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: at forty nine point two percent.

572
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: You gotta think if a quarterback lets the ball go,

573
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: he thinks the guy's open.

574
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: Right.

575
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, if.

576
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: They don't throw it, they don't think it's open guys

577
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: like Ronald Darby's giving up eighteen catches on thirty seven targets,

578
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: but he's only played two out and thirty eight. Yeah yeah,

579
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at guys here who are at forty

580
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: targets are above those three guys. So it's it's it's

581
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: it's actual. Ramsey doesn't even count. So it's Witherspoon, Porter,

582
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, and Martin Emerson are the only cornerbacks in

583
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: the league who've been targeted forty times and not giving

584
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: up fifty percent catch right. Everybody else is at fifty

585
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: percent or lower.

586
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, interesting, higher or higher? I should say,

587
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: right again, So if a quarterback lets the ball go,

588
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: he plans on completing it. I mean, like and again

589
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: we often talk about this from a quarterback perspective. There

590
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: isn't a stat for well, he was my first read.

591
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: Porter has them covered or Johnson has them covered. Now

592
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: I gotta go to my second rate because the balls

593
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: will come out.

594
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Now I'm looking here at Devin Witherspoon. He's been good

595
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: thirty four completions on sixty four targets, So fifty three

596
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: point one percent.

597
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: Completion ry you'll take that, but it's a rookie, right.

598
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: It's not as good as porters. No, Right, and again

599
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: he plays more zones, so you know that there's some

600
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: of that.

601
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: He's a very good tackler, I mean, there's other aspects

602
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: to playing corner two. I mean he's good versus Ronnie

603
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: throws his body around, but he's also a little banged

604
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: up because of it.

605
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lugerius Sneid and I bring him up because he

606
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: has fifteen penalties this year and six that were declined

607
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: to the city.

608
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also hitting free agency and it's going to be.

609
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: Expensive twenty so he's been flagged twenty one times this year.

610
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: Kind of nasty, Yeah, but he's given up.

611
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: He's thirty eight catches on seventy two targets, so fifty

612
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: two point eight completion percentage. And I'm watching the Chiefs

613
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: play a couple of weeks ago, and they're talking about

614
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: Snead and the penalties, and they're like, they don't care.

615
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: They just want him to go out there and be

616
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: aggressive and play hard and you know, get up and

617
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: get up in a guy's face and they'll live with

618
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: the penalties.

619
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: Okay, Well you live with it for so long, but

620
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a free agent twenty one penalties him

621
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: and Johnson. That's a time. Him and Johnson are gonna

622
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: be the top corners that potentially hit the market. Who

623
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 2: knows all. I always hate talking about free agents now

624
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: because the team might just extend them or franchise them

625
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: or some of these top guys. But they're gonna be

626
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: big name guys that will be linked to the Steelers,

627
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: but they at least are gonna be down, you know,

628
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: considered a little bit a starting corner.

629
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand though, when I when I look at

630
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: some of these coverage grades. For example, dron Bland, Okay

631
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: has given up forty one catches on seventy six targets.

632
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: It's a lot of targets.

633
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: It's a ton of that's really the most targets of

634
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: anybody that we've talked about here.

635
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk that segment or two. People love targeting him,

636
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's made them pay. But targets are earned,

637
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: you know.

638
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's given up a fifty three point nine

639
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: percent completion percentage. He has the eight interceptions they have

640
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: touchdowns on here, touchdowns.

641
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Seven of them, I mean, yeah, so six or seven

642
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: it's at least six.

643
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna they don't. They have touchdowns scored here? Okay,

644
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, oh no, there's these are touchings

645
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a different.

646
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Style because he also baits quarterbacks well, but people throw

647
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: at him. Yeah, and they game plan too, and he

648
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: doesn't follow number ones.

649
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: So Witherspoon this year is given up. He's getting credited

650
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: with giving up four touchdown passes this year. Okay, I'm looking.

651
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: Here for do you know how many Porter was off that.

652
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking here for it. It's less than four.

653
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't remember any, but maybe i'm.

654
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: And and that's always can be penalty or two as well. Yeah,

655
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: Porter has given up one touchdown Okay, yeah, I would

656
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: say it's under four. Yeah. I don't know that we

657
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Speaker 1: appreciate our fans are appreciating exactly how well he is playing.

658
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Speaker 1: I know the penalties are high. Yeah yeah, but here

659
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: the guys who are at the top in that lagarious

660
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: scene I just mentioned, he has twenty one penalties called

661
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Speaker 1: against him. It's twice as many as Porter the Pro Bowl,

662
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: and he might be in the Pro Bowl this year.

663
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: Darien Kendrick with LA he's very undisciplined. Yeah, yeah, Uh.

664
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Speaker 1: Then you have Porter. Then it's Charvarius Ward with San Francisco.

665
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: He has fourteen penalties.

666
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: Also great, Yeah, these are physical, nasty dudes.

667
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Then you get Jerry Jacobs with Detroit. He's had nine.

668
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: Tarik Woollen with Seattle.

669
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Speaker 2: He's been kind of benched and yeah penalties.

670
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great rookie year last year. Yeah, Benjamin Saint

671
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Juice with with Washington, Well that that is a mess there,

672
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy bunning, Trey Brown, Deontay Banks with the Giants.

673
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: They're happy with him, a good young cornerback. Yeah, and

674
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: he's been penalized. So I don't necessarily I get that

675
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: you don't want the penalties. Uh, Patrick Certain is on this.

676
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Surtain has been called for six penalties this year.

677
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Maah, doesn't surprise me there. I mean he follows ones.

678
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you follow ones, you're going to have those

679
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of things. Jalen Johnson's had seven called against him.

680
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, so if Certain's going

681
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: to follow Devonte Adams for sixty five snaps.

682
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: You'll probably go that, Yeah, the ball is going to

683
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: be thrown your way a lot, and you're probably going

684
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: to get a penalty or two.

685
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, penalties don't. I mean, I know the Chiefs

686
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: We've had this conversation, but penalties here don't bother me obscenely.

687
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: I mean what he was at like twenty one. I mean, yeah,

688
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: that's a lot number. But yeah, right, I was gonna

689
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: say with that to me, one of the biggest, if

690
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: not the biggest compliment to Porter is we like you

691
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: so much that we're going to change how we play defense.

692
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: We're not going to be a left right team. We're

693
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: going to have you follow. And there's a ripple effect

694
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, the fact that you change how

695
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: you do things after many years. You better be a

696
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: pretty special player to make that happen.

697
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just think he's he's having a fantastic

698
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: rookie season. You know, when we talked to Bob Blabarola

699
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: in the previous segment, I went over some of those

700
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: draft picks from the you know, the that ninety eight

701
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine seasons, when the when the Steelers you know,

702
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: pulled themselves out of the doldrums a couple of really

703
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: bad years and you're you know, you're getting Alan Fanica.

704
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Is Alan Fanica from the get go?

705
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, but he wasn't a top ten pick.

706
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: No, he was twenty six. Yeah, okay, heines Ward wasn't

707
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: hines Ward for a few years for a while, yeah right.

708
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Deshay Townsend needed some time to work his way into

709
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: the lineup and then was a very valuable player for you,

710
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: uh you know, even going into the next year. Joey

711
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: Porter took his senior took a year before he broke

712
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: into the starting lineup. He was a third round pick.

713
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Smith took it two years really to kind of

714
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: become that guy.

715
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: You probably remember more better than I do, but I

716
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: remember he was drafted. He was like two seventy to

717
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: sixty five, you know, like he had the bulk up

718
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: and become a three four defensive end.

719
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Speaker 1: Even that two thousand draft. Plexico Burris really didn't give

720
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: you a lot his rookie season, Okay, Yeah, he became

721
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: a I mean he had five hundred and fifty three

722
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: career catches for eighty five hundred yards like that. It's

723
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: definitely worth the pick. Sixty four touchdowns. Marvin Marvel Smith

724
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: was the second round pick in two thousands, starting tackle

725
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: for yeah year. Then you got Kendrick Clancy in the

726
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: third round.

727
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: He kind of gets washed because he wasn't Steed, he

728
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: wasn't Hampton.

729
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: Yea quality of very valuable player. Then you got Clark

730
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Haagan's in the fifth round. Wow, you know, so that's

731
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Speaker 1: how you turn things around here. Then in that two

732
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: thousand one draft, you get Casey Hampton and Kendrell Bell

733
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: and that kind of brings it.

734
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Speaker 2: All boom together. Yeah. No, you're right. I mean, and

735
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: times were tough at that point.

736
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Speaker 1: Oh, they were unbelievably tough, much tougher than now. I mean,

737
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: he won, you know, six six games one of those seasons.

738
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Speaker 2: Six So if the Steelers don't go to the playoffs,

739
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: that means they're gonna pick in the top nineteen. Yeah,

740
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: you know. I mean there's I don't know this draft

741
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: well enough, but there's a lot of things that's set

742
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: up well that you might add two or three more

743
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: starters to go with three or four from his past class.

744
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: It's quite a it's quite a.

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Speaker 1: Good I mean, the the you know, the first few picks.

746
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody's down on Roger Jones. No,

747
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: Porter's Porter. I don't think anybody's down on Keanu Benton

748
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: is a foundational type piece.

749
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: In Washington and her big are keepers. Yeah, so Spencer

750
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: Anderson might even be a useful player for you for

751
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: his whole rookie contract, if not more. Yeah. I don't

752
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: know he's like the next center or anything, but I

753
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: bet he's had some value.

754
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you start building that thing and you build

755
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: it back up, and then the key piece is the

756
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: quarterback situation.

757
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: Of course. I mean that's to be determined.

758
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. We're going to get to a break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lallie. You're listening

760
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. When we

761
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: come back, we'll hear from Cam Hayward. He was cleared

762
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol today. Uh got a chance to talk

763
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Speaker 1: to him, so we'll hear what Cam had to say,

764
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and he talked about not just his situation but where

765
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: the team is at the leadership in that locker room

766
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: is a lot of good stuff here, so I wanted

767
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Speaker 1: to get to that. We'll do that right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is d Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: and uh, well Matt. Earlier today we heard from the

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward. There was a funny little moment. Practicingly, I'm

771
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: not pulling, but this was during a drill and they

772
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Speaker 1: put the Hayward brothers against each other. Oh really yeah,

773
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: and Cam came running up and Connor just turned and

774
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: ran the other way. It's a funny little mok. It

775
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: was just like an extra rep in something, just kind

776
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Speaker 1: of light in the moment.

777
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: Not exactly Connor's forte dealing with three hundred.

778
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Pounds, especially big brag. Yeah, look at him.

779
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: Wonder how much they scuffled, Not too much, betart and

780
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: was never a fair fight and I probably was having nothing.

781
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: Of it anyway. So uh again, I'm as I mentioned,

782
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Speaker 1: we got the chance to catch up with the Cam

783
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Speaker 1: Heyward earlier today. Here's what Cam had to say.

784
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Speaker 3: I have a lot to say, but you do get

785
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: it off your chest.

786
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: Questions for Cam, how you feeling?

787
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: Uh getting there? Feel better than I did? You know,

788
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: I kind of sprung on at the end of the game.

789
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: It was just out of it. But you know, I'm

790
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: feeling good now.

791
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: Can you confident for Saturday?

792
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, declared me, So I might. I might as

793
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: well be confident. It was at the end of the

794
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: drive and I kind of just took the double one.

795
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: I just took the blunt of it both sides of

796
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: my head, and then I was just not feeling right

797
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: after that. Check myself in the protocol, I mean, I

798
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: checked myself with the doctors and then they put me

799
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Speaker 3: in the protocol from there.

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Speaker 2: I know you guys have been doing it every year.

801
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: I mean every game pretty much seems like a how

802
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: difficult it will be in the middle of the field

803
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: not having your safety in the inside linebacker situation.

804
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know, you look at our situation.

805
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: You just say, you know, you get deal certain cards,

806
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: but you keep flyout. You can't run away from it.

807
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: You know, injuries are part of the game. You know.

808
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: Obviously we'd like to have make, like to have Kzy

809
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: out there. You like to have your inside linebackers. But

810
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: you know, you can't cry about spoiled milk, you know,

811
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: you just you just got to bounce back and be

812
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: ready for the group that puts some more emphasis on

813
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: the front to get home. The guys who went there

814
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: have to tackle well, uh, and we have to have great.

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Speaker 2: Communications with or without the injuries to the safeties and

816
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: the inside linebackers.

817
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: What was going wrong up front that there were ribbons the.

818
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: Worlds of your life to us. But you know, one,

819
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: I think penalties were a big factor. Uh, they were

820
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: able to flip the field a couple of times. You know,

821
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: I think we didn't make them settle for field goals

822
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: when we had the opportunity. I know we got a

823
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: stop on fourth down in the red zone, but you know,

824
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: I think we could have done a lot more. And

825
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: then the Russian game, I think just got on hand,

826
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: you know, to stop him early in the first half,

827
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: and then the second half they kind of got going

828
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: and raised the war in the second.

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00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: Half got out of hand, losing I went on one

830
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: battles or was that like continual schematic things that they

831
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: were throwing.

832
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: I think the schematics I talk about, it's I think

833
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: it's guys not doing the job, knowing when the phil

834
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: knowing how they're trying to block you. When guys pool,

835
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 3: how do we adapt at our gaps in the double

836
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: If two guys stay on me, who's filling in the

837
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: other gaps? It's a it's a eleven man process. It's

838
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: not just one guy, two guys. You got to know

839
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: who's responsible for each gap. Playing the playoff, Yeah, what

840
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: do you notice it's a different you know. I think

841
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: he's just comfortable. You know, it was uh, you know,

842
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: I think the thing we learned the first time around

843
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: was like they're closing the book, the playbook on him.

844
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: You know, he's got the four nge of everything. He

845
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: feels confident in it. He's spreading it out to a

846
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: lot of people, especially as running backs. You know, I

847
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: think Mixing and Brown are doing an amazing job. I

848
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: think it's the last time we played, they've got like

849
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen balls just out of the backfield. So

850
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: you know, we got our work cut out for us.

851
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: And I think in one play that really sticks out

852
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: of me. From the last game, we had already had

853
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: the game in hand, but they got a screen at

854
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: the end of the game. It was like a forty yarder.

855
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: And I feel like ever since then, they've just been

856
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: really featuring the backs in the receiving game.

857
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's different there this time? I

858
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: mean the last time he played them, he really didn't

859
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: know anything about him as a player. Is it different

860
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: now that there's well, not only have you played him,

861
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: but there's four games on tape to him playing.

862
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's four games on tape. Guys know

863
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: how to play with him now and they feel comfortable.

864
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: You know, we were coming off a game where last

865
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: time we played and he had only seen the second

866
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: half of the Baltimore game. So he's definitely more confident.

867
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: You know, you can build a bigger plan because you

868
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: know what to expect with him a little bit more.

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00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: But man, he's doing an amazing job, you know, feeding

870
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: t Higgins and Jamar Chase really featuring the tight ends

871
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: as well. But I definitely you gotta keep driving those

872
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: running backs, you know, because last time we played him here,

873
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: they got off with the running backs. They did an

874
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: amazing job in that, you know, mixing uh P Ryan

875
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: last year, but now it's Chase Brown. So it's it's

876
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: a multitude of guys, but they get.

877
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: The job done.

878
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 3: As Yeah, how do you feel like he's saying with

879
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: his situation was a cop? You know, I think Mason

880
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: has just going about his business. You know, I think

881
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: you know, he's waited his time. You know, I know

882
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: he's dealt with his struggles. But I felt like he's

883
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: just always battle back. Uh It's not been a thing

884
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: where it's more overtly, but he's coming to work every

885
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: day and just competed and just been ready for when

886
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: his number is called. So he's excited for him. You

887
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: know we're gonna need him, We're gonna him step up,

888
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: and you know, we just got to take advantage of

889
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: these opportunities.

890
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: Kim.

891
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 4: I know Mike tom to talk a little bit about

892
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 4: George yesterday and said he meets with him Dailey and.

893
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: He's a player, a veteran player.

894
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you need to talk to him

895
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: or some of these younger guys about what's going.

896
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: On in here?

897
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've we've had those talks privately. You know,

898
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: it's not for me to share him, but you know,

899
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 3: growth and needs to take take place. That's it. You know,

900
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: it's not just a George in general, it's everybody. There's

901
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: a way we do things around here, and it's as

902
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: the group goes, not as one guy goes. And when

903
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: we're losing and not getting the job done and falls

904
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: on the group, it's not one person to.

905
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: Mention the way you guys do things around here.

906
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: Is it different than the way.

907
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: Things in ninety twenty eleven when you guy here, does

908
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: it feel the same?

909
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: What you're wise reis everybody likes to make a big

910
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 3: deal about it. But you know, for someone to have

911
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: a you know, a opinion that doesn't know what's going

912
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: on in here, I just I I I kind of

913
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: laugh at that because it's about being with the group,

914
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: understanding that the Steelers are the Steelers because they care

915
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: about each other, and that it's not one guy that wins.

916
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: Everybody wins. You know, I know these last three games

917
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: have not gone the way we want and it's been hard,

918
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: but you know, it's about your practice, happenings. It's about

919
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: dedicating your your your life to this game. And you

920
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: know we can't run away from it. You take care

921
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: of everybody in this group, but you know you got

922
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: to have those hard times, in those hard conversations to

923
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: make the group grown. Just focus on this game. I

924
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: think the confidence is just man. We got to get

925
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: this losing taste out of our mouth and just get

926
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: the work. You know, we understand this is our last

927
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: home game and we're trying to make the most of them.

928
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: And are seeing those things you're discussed from this group?

929
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 3: Are you seeing those things you're discussed from this group?

930
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: You know, we could talk about it, but I think

931
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: it only gets brought to the front forward on Sundays

932
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: and Saturday as I guess. But you know this game,

933
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: you're defined by your wins and losses. And when we've

934
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: fall short, you got to stick together. You gotta continue

935
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: to keep fighting for each other. Have we fallen short, Yeah,

936
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: but you know it doesn't mean we can't bounce back

937
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: and be better. But doesn't want Kim, how do you

938
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: approach your role as a leader in that process? And

939
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: we're talking about and you know you're getting people's faces,

940
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: do you pull them aside?

941
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: And maybe how did you kind of develop the way

942
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: that you want?

943
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: You know, I think he's just having honest conversations, you know,

944
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: And I think it's not running from that situation understanding

945
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: that you know, either you can yell about it and

946
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: be loud, but I think it's just being upfront and

947
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 3: you know, going from room there. Uh, it's not about

948
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: embarrassing each other, but it's about saying that, man, we

949
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: all got to be in this together. It's a group

950
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: that gets the job up.

951
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: As a defensive leader, does that message Carrie the same

952
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: way over to the offensive side of the ball.

953
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: You should all right, thank you.

954
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: That was Steelers defensive captain Cam Hayward with the media

955
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: earlier today, and a lot of good stuff there from Cam.

956
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, being a leader, being a veteran, been the wars

957
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: of this game in this league, and the attrition and

958
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: understanding all that is great stuff.

959
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh yeah, good to hear from him. Good

960
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: that he has been cleared uh in concussion protocol. That

961
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: that's a huge get back. Yeah for this team. He's

962
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: the all time leading sack guy against the Bengals from

963
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Speaker 1: any team in the league.

964
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Speaker 2: I remember you mentioned that three weeks ago.

965
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Speaker 1: Whatever, he gets sacks against the Bengals. But that's going

966
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Speaker 1: to do it for our show today. So for my

967
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Speaker 1: partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on site keeping

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Speaker 1: us on the air, I'm Dale Lallie. We thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to this edition of The Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio.