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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Drive to the Draft podcast, we

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Speaker 1: want to talk defensive tackles, defensive ends, linebackers, but two

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Speaker 1: dudes from Ohio State stole the show. R Bella Reese

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Speaker 1: and Sunny Styles absolutely killed it, and David Bailey also

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Speaker 1: had something to say about it. We talked about the

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Speaker 1: implications starting now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Drive to the Draft Podcast. I am Jesse,

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Speaker 2: guy Jason, and I'm sitting with ten year NFL vet.

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Speaker 2: You heard them in the open. It was fantastic. It

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Speaker 2: was exciting open that you just delivered, Logan, it was

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Speaker 2: thank you, it was clever. Appreciates all those great things

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Speaker 2: and your ten year NFL VET for a tight end.

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Speaker 2: You played with Washington for five years, several other teams

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Speaker 2: after that, played with a lot of great head coaches.

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Speaker 2: Guess what you didn't do?

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Speaker 1: What did I do?

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Speaker 2: Didn't go to that the career, You had your own

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Speaker 2: pro day. Yeah, but you've do a lot of training

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Speaker 2: for this event for guys that are running it today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, you guys that are run today, guys that'll

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Speaker 1: run tomorrow. So yeah, it's been cool to see this

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Speaker 1: event and kind of come here firsthand, and also, you know,

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Speaker 1: be able to help some guys out with some of

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Speaker 1: their football knowledge football acumen, Like it was really cool.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from one of my guys I

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Speaker 1: trained this morning and he was just basically saying like, man,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, like and it's just like that

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Speaker 1: teacher and me gets so excited when I hear that

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Speaker 1: the material that we've covered is applicable to what they're

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Speaker 1: getting asked here. So that's always a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine text me last night,

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Speaker 2: one of my best friends am okay, and he was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: are you out there at the combine again? I was

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Speaker 2: like yeah, and he's like, man, like tell me more

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Speaker 2: about it basically, and like so many words like what

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Speaker 2: do they get out of running forties, doing this, doing that?

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Speaker 2: Like what is everybody getting? And I told him what

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Speaker 2: two main things at the combine medical interviews, right, the

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Speaker 2: privy to that, so the next things are He said, well,

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Speaker 2: then are you like are they competitive and running against

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Speaker 2: each other? Are you trying to be the fastest there?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, well yes and no, because some of

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Speaker 2: these guys aren't going to be the fastest ones here.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to lift the most, jump the highest,

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Speaker 2: They're not going to test the best. Your measurements are

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Speaker 2: your measurements. Even if you get a hand specialist and

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Speaker 2: massage that muscles, get it stretched a little bit, like,

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Speaker 2: they are going to be what they are. So what

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Speaker 2: are you competing against? Well, you're competing against the perception

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Speaker 2: of yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good way to put it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So like if you were seen as a freak, come

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Speaker 2: out here, be a freak.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you're perceived as fast, come out here, be fast.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to come out here and be slow

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Speaker 2: if you're seen as fast. Right. So I say all

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Speaker 2: edge rushers, defensive tackles, linebackers, correct yep, And boy oh

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Speaker 2: boy did the freaks come out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I mean it was. And again, like I

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Speaker 1: he's kind of about the forefront of mine. I think

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Speaker 1: a guy that has emphatically put his stamp on the combine.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about him that I find so interesting

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Speaker 1: And to me, like you're saying you're competing against yourself,

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Speaker 2: It was just the impressed. For the media, that's what

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Speaker 2: which are much more correhensive. Yeah, uh personal the word

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's for me. It was kind

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Speaker 1: Seventy pressures over thirteen sacks, all those things which are

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Speaker 1: fantastic for past rushers, But like, what kind of athlete

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Speaker 1: His jumping was just okay. But I think we used

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you expect him to be the top players. They

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Speaker 2: came out and they proved it correct. We're the top. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and then you have the film, the tape what they've

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Speaker 2: And when you take those and you aggregate those together,

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Speaker 2: But these are the guys that come in and go, oh,

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Speaker 2: at a bowl, You like what I did at the bowl? Right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing is too, Like it's

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Speaker 1: interesting hearing the conversation around Sonny Styles and arvl Reese

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to talk about that a little bit.

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Speaker 2: when the Chiefs win the Super Bowl. What do you need? Oh,

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Speaker 2: what you need that elite star quarterback? Okay, then the

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Speaker 2: Eagles win it. What do you need? What do you

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Speaker 2: need to get big, nasty, elite in the trenches? Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now the Seahawks won it, and everyone's talking about, oh,

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Speaker 2: well you need that star piece on defense. That by

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Speaker 2: star I mean position or the buffalo or whatever. It is,

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Speaker 2: Like you need that movable piece. So now people are

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Speaker 2: looking at that and as you said, linebacker suddenly doesn't

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Speaker 2: look like okay. So for the Commanders picking at number seven,

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Speaker 2: that whole conversation of like, oh, well, positional value. You

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Speaker 2: very simplified. If you want a good deal, Well, linebacker

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Speaker 2: at seven isn't a quote unquote good deal traditionally, but

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Speaker 2: we just saw Super Bowl get one because they have

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Speaker 2: a little stale in what describes them, which I want

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Speaker 2: to discuss with you more, especially with these two guys,

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Speaker 2: and just for people listening, this isn't going to be

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Speaker 1: We'll get onto other guys.

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Speaker 2: These were the guys that sit out, So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: Linebackers guys like I love them, So you would think,

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Speaker 1: Right So I think that's that's where this whole thing

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Speaker 1: not that they don't deserve it, but in other years

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Speaker 2: Conversation, Yeah, because you have more I would like, we

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Speaker 1: Who's not going to run here. But Malachi Lemon would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so, and those guys in another year maybe

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Speaker 2: push Like we'll see. But as after day one, what

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Speaker 1: Is a little unheard of. The little unique yeah.

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Speaker 1: It, I think it's the change of the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: think it's the nil stuff in college. Guys are staying

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Speaker 1: And so that's why we've we've been saying it since

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Speaker 1: Yeah, former safety. So you're like, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yesterday out of I would venture to

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Speaker 2: it's all inspiring, right because there they worked hard to

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Speaker 1: You're like, who, Like, who's that? Where's Rvell? It's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could tell immediately. You don't have to look

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Speaker 2: The top two tied here at four four six with

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Speaker 1: Just ay, Just like they were doing this Joyou State

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Speaker 2: The best way to describe like this motion, this body

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Speaker 2: up like that and that musclely in that big they

432
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 2: tend to do. What what's the advantage Batman.

433
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: Is they're slow? Right, this is the opposite.

434
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,679
Speaker 2: He's he's that he's built and he's rocked up, but

435
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,680
Speaker 2: he's faster than you too, and he can move better

436
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 2: than you. So it's like what am I looking at?

437
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 2: So it like fights my brain, Like my brain hurts

438
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 2: looking at it because I'm like, this doesn't make sense

439
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 2: to what I've been told through cartoons my whole life

440
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,199
Speaker 2: and like movies just in general. Right, So it's just

441
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 2: it's a different type of movement. The broad jump sunny

442
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 2: Styles again was the highest in that he had a

443
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Speaker 2: eleven foot two inch broad drunk, which was six inches

444
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 2: more than the next guy, which was Danny Denise Sutton

445
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: from Penn State. Like, it's just not only was he

446
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: the highest, it was like, you guys are not even

447
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 2: close to what.

448
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit honestly of nick A

449
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,600
Speaker 1: Minor's combine last year and everyone's like, well, why is

450
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: nick A Minor wasn't talked about in the first round.

451
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 1: I will tell you right this second, the film that

452
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: Sunny Styles has film is significantly better, way more comprehensive.

453
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 1: So again killed it Ohio State boys absolutely crushed it.

454
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Speaker 2: So okay, can we then move on to the next guy.

455
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 2: We're done with the Ohio State guys. S right, no

456
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Speaker 2: more Ohio State. Sorry all you guys that are we might.

457
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Speaker 1: Talk about McClellan or no, what's the defensive tackles name?

458
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: I forgot his name? McDonald from Ohio State. Is that

459
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: his name? That Donald McDonald?

460
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well yes, yes, yes, But okay,

461
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 2: let's talk about the next guy that stood out, not

462
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 2: from ohiosa is Texas Tech's ed rusher, David Bailey. This

463
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 2: is the one that both you and I had as

464
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: our top edge rusher and the one that also dominated

465
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Speaker 2: his last year in college at Texas Tech. How many

466
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Speaker 2: secks I'm trying to lead up now?

467
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Speaker 1: Was it like thirteen?

468
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, thirteen, twelve or thirteen? Incredible amount of

469
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Speaker 2: pressures like this is this is the guy. If you

470
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Speaker 2: want an edge rusher in this class that's gonna go

471
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Speaker 2: get the quarterback. This is the guy. And he came

472
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: out and he went, yep, I'm that dude. Everything you

473
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 2: see it's going to match up right here.

474
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Speaker 1: Yes, So he ran a four five forty and I

475
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought he was going to

476
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: run little bit slower. I think, you know, I personally

477
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: was hoping that he'd run slower so that he would

478
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: slip down to where the commanders are picking, you know

479
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Speaker 1: what I mean. But he came out run a four

480
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Speaker 1: or five. His ten yard split's good. It's one point

481
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: six to two, which is not amazing, but it's fine.

482
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: Thirty five inch vertical, not amazing, but fine, and then

483
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: a ten nine broad jumps. So I think people say, well,

484
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Speaker 1: he didn't like kill the combine the same way Suddy's

485
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: tiles it or rvel rees did, but the thing didn't

486
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 1: need to that.

487
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 2: He just needed to be.

488
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Speaker 1: He just needed to get on base. I'm really glad

489
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Speaker 1: you said that, because he his production at Texas Tech

490
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: is diabolical, like over seventy pressures in college football, Like

491
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Speaker 1: that's unheard of, right, I think it was seventy seven

492
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: pressures over thirteen, So like that's crazy talk in terms

493
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Speaker 1: of production. So he just needed to be a solid

494
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: He needed to be a good athlete, not a great athlete.

495
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: He came and he checked that boss box. And because

496
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: of that trade that the New York Jets made with

497
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: Tennessee to and Andre Sweat for Jeremiah Johnson. So the

498
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: Jets traded away Jeremia Johnson, who's their kind of edge rusher,

499
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Speaker 1: starting edge. It looks to me like they are going

500
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Speaker 1: to be taking an edge player at two overall. And

501
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Speaker 1: I would say based in the production that David Bailly had,

502
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Speaker 1: he probably slots in there very nicely.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get this right. It wasn't thirteen sacks.

504
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: It was fifteen sixties year in the year before seven sacks.

505
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 2: Like you just a productive guy.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

507
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Speaker 2: On Feldman's freakent List, He's going to bench a lot,

508
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: He's going to squad a lot, and in pads twenty

509
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: two point one six miles per hour, Like the dude

510
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: can move. Yeah, it looked like he was like he

511
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: moved himself up to I think there was debate maybe

512
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: between him and Ruben Bain for somewher him r rees

513
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: Arvel like, yeah, there's a little bit there, and he's like, Nope,

514
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: here I got And.

515
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: I think I think the reason is because like everyone

516
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: thought that Arvel Reese was going to be the lead athlete,

517
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: which he was, and I think what what what David

518
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: Bailey did is he kind of like he just kept

519
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: it close enough to rvel Reese.

520
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Speaker 2: It wasn't like and then you got the Sack production

521
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: one film that shows you I can do it. Here

522
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: are all the arrows in my quip. Yes, rvel rece

523
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: doesn't have that. So that's the advantage. We know we're

524
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: getting a pure password.

525
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: It's like you know those like I don't know how

526
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: like cycling. I'm probably dating myself, but like you know,

527
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: the winner of the Twitter France doesn't need to win

528
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: every heat, right, he just needs to have a good average.

529
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Speaker 1: And I feel like David Bailey came out and just

530
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Speaker 1: had a really good average for his combine for.

531
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Speaker 2: All right, can I can I bring somebody else up?

532
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

533
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, can we talk about Ruben Bain?

534
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

535
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

536
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: So so what I will say is he didn't do

537
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Speaker 1: anything today, right, he didn't. He didn't. He just measured.

538
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: He just wihed in, measured and interviewed and I think

539
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: he did medical. So the thing that came to me

540
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Speaker 1: out of this was that his arms were thirty and

541
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Speaker 1: a quarter, thirty and and a half something like that.

542
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look it up to get exact because

543
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Speaker 2: this is what.

544
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: This is the thing. Right, So let's make sure we

545
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: get the right number here. So again, the film in

546
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: college is good. It's not as productive as David Bailey,

547
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: for example, but ruben Bain's a little bit more physical

548
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: against the run, a little bit more fis dominant. But

549
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: the question about him is what kind of athlete are you?

550
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: And what are your measurables? And Jason, you got his

551
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: measurables right there?

552
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Speaker 2: Thirty inches for his arms, yeah, right, thirty inches and seven.

553
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: Eighths yes, which is the.

554
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Speaker 2: Fourth lowest for a defensive end an edge rusher marked

555
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Speaker 2: at the combine, fourth.

556
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Speaker 1: Lowest ever since nine or whatever.

557
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: So the question is, Okay, his film is fantastic, right.

558
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: But that is a question about his film though, you know,

559
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: like the arm.

560
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: Like that there is something there. Yeah, you're right, and

561
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: we can't talk about that in a second. But there

562
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: was this we talked about in the lab last pod.

563
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: There's this like kind of crazy story where his arm

564
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: link was measure at twenty nine Miami and they're like,

565
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: oh no, some dumb dumb did that. And now like

566
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: the dumb dumb here is like, actually, I'm right. So

567
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about this again because we're psycho pass

568
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: and like, why do we keep harping on arm length?

569
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: Why does it matter for an edge?

570
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: Yep?

571
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: Why does thirty thirty and seven eight inches matter for

572
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Reuben Bain? And does it matter enough that he would

573
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Speaker 2: move from potentially being the second, third or fourth overall

574
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Speaker 2: picked to maybe sliding past the commanders at seven maybe

575
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: all the way to baby borderline top ten just in

576
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Speaker 2: an arm measurement, So and can he make that up there?

577
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I think the arm length, it's like you're

578
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Speaker 1: checking a you're checking a box, right, and so like,

579
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: as a player, this is a player. So I played

580
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: for ten years and I think about the players that

581
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I had the hardest time with. We're dudes with really

582
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Speaker 1: long arms, like Dinnel Hunter, DeMarcus ware von Miller's he

583
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: had very long arms. Jared Allen had long arm. I

584
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: get good pass rushers traditionally have their long like they've

585
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: got long wingspans, they got long arms, and.

586
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: Why does that matter though? What are they technically doing?

587
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: This? As an example, so if I'm playing against someone

588
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: with short arms, like I had thirty two and a

589
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: quarter in charms, so not really long. When I really short,

590
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: I could grab guys and my grip strength when I

591
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: played was crazy and so like, if you can't extend

592
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: your arms, pass my arm length and keep me away,

593
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into your paths. I'm gonna grab and

594
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: hold on to you, right and with DeMarcus Ware like

595
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: my wecom the NFL moment was going to man reach

596
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware. He just put his left arm right in

597
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: my chest and I couldn't touch him. Like it was like,

598
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, like that little cartoon arms, like you're holding

599
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: your son away and they're trying to swing at shit.

600
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: Like That's what it felt like. And so I had

601
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: to develop techniques and skills to get around that impediment. Now,

602
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: not everyone uses their length super effectively. Alden Smith is

603
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: another one that comes to mind. Just incredibly long arms

604
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: and they would just touch you and you'd just be like,

605
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: I am not in control of anything at this moment.

606
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: And so Reuben Bain, like we talked about his film,

607
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: is very good. He's physically violent, he's got you understands

608
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: the pastor shine the really well. But he's not a

609
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: top shelf athlete, right He's I don't think anybody thinks

610
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: he's going to run a four four like that's just

611
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: not in his cards. He's probably a four high, four

612
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: to six low, four to seven kind of guy. He's

613
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy pounds, so the test is a

614
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: little bit different for him. But he's not a top

615
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: shelf athlete. He lacks ideal length, and when you're just

616
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: playing percentages usually, like you know, we talked about guys

617
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: that aren't very productive samar Stewart last year. If you

618
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of production and you've got all

619
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: these measurements, that's red flag. If you've got decent production,

620
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: decent athleticism scores, but you are below thresholds from a

621
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: measurement standpoint, that becomes problematic. Like let's talk about Will Campbell.

622
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Like a tackle like his arms were sub threshold level, right,

623
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: but when you look at his athleticism score, it's through

624
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: the roof. So you can overcome some of your physical

625
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: length limitations with excellent footwork, quick hand, a quick hat placement,

626
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: great body movement, great balance, And does ruben Bain have

627
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: that athletic profile to offset some of his length efficiencies. Now,

628
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: people who are fans of Ruben Bane will say his

629
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: power will overcome some of those length efficiencies.

630
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: But do you see that in the film?

631
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: You do, but again you you don't see to me

632
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: Jared Verse knockback power. You see a powerful player, but

633
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: not elite power. You see a good athlete, but not

634
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: an elite athlete. You see a instinctive, tough, competitive football player.

635
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's elite for him, But is that package enough

636
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: to be a ten to twelve sack guy at the

637
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: NFL level? Because if you're taking a guy top ten, like,

638
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: that's the conversation you're talking about. And like with r

639
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: Belle Reese, with David Bailey, with Sonny Styles, those players,

640
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: because of their athletic profile and the film, it leads

641
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: you to believe, yes, they'll be able to do that. Now,

642
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: ruben Bain just hasn't checked a lot of boxes through

643
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: this process. So that's to me why there's a big,

644
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: a big question about it in my opinion.

645
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a question, how do you answer

646
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: some of those? How can he answer some of those

647
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: to get himself back up? And then let's say he

648
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: goes at seven like play a little bit of like

649
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: predictor yeah, he goes at seven to the commanders, what

650
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: does he need to do for you to be like, oh, okay,

651
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: I feel great with this.

652
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: So if I would Adam Peters's chair hypothetically right, which

653
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be there, because that's a

654
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: really tough decision, he would need to interview like an

655
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: absolute lunatic. And what I mean by that is I

656
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: would need to know that his football character is impeccable.

657
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: Which is a thing. Yeah, that is people call it immeasurables,

658
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: but you can kind of play something you know in

659
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: that it's like, well, he has a great work ethic, right,

660
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: or he has great grit, or he has great character,

661
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: or he's just a grinder, he's super smart. These are

662
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: things that don't show up anywhere, but they do matter,

663
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: and it is like you can be elite at these things.

664
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: So I've told my story about how I was a

665
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: subpar athlete. I had subpar length right, and I just

666
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: wasn't I didn't check a lot of boxes right. And

667
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: so I remember talking to my tight end coach and

668
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I was like, well, why did I play ten years then?

669
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: Because I was kind of making this argument and he's like,

670
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: your football character is impeccable. And what he means by

671
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: that is I just talked about how I was blocking

672
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: guys with longer arms, and I had to develop techniques

673
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: to overcome that. Not everyone's willing to do that. I'm

674
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: willing to stay after practice, watch film, look for the

675
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: moment where I can chop the hand down, or press

676
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: through a bent elbow, or work the angle with my

677
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: shoulders to kind of get a little bit more link. Like,

678
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: those are things that didn't happen overnight. I had to

679
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: pour into those things over hours and hours and weeks

680
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: and weeks right to get that one little bit of

681
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: an advantage record block to market.

682
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: So relentlessness off the field, right, and you can be

683
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: real relentless on the field. Are you willing to do

684
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: that off.

685
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: The And so if he's got that, and he's willing

686
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: to cultivate and develop and mature his game to overcome

687
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: some of his shortcomings, that is the thing that I

688
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: want to know because if you are like there are

689
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: dressers that are elite, and they like Miles Garrett run

690
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: a four six eight right, not an elite forty time,

691
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: but he has great bend. He has other things to

692
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: compensate for. Right there, you can be a good pass

693
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: rusher with a four seven forty right, you can be

694
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: a good pass rusher with short arms, but you have

695
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: to do a lot to overcome those things. And what

696
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: I would say, like when you hear stories about Bane

697
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: from Miami, is that he's got this tremendous football like

698
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: love of the game, this passion for it, which to me,

699
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: if I sit down with him an interview and that

700
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: comes across and that conveys and I'm like, this dude

701
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: is a rabid dog frothing at the mouth to play

702
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: football twenty four to seven. We're gonna give him a

703
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of money. He doesn't care. He doesn't want fast cars,

704
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't want big houses. He wants to get after

705
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: people and make their lives miserable on the football field.

706
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Like that would let me be like, this is a

707
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: good investment for the Washington Commanders at seven.

708
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, and I'm not saying this

709
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: is true for rvil Reese or Sonny Styles, but guys

710
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: like him before have tested like this, had film like this,

711
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: But they go into those interviews and they don't have

712
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: what you're talking about right. So then you sit there

713
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: as a coach and now you have a dilemma. This

714
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: guy checks all these boxes, but that this guy doesn't.

715
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: But this guy's got the mentality that he's going to

716
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: figure this out, whereas this guy, like, if it doesn't

717
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: click for him right away, maybe it doesn't. Now if

718
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: Rvel recent Sonny styles go in, they also have that

719
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: in your ribbon, Bain can do whatever he wants. It's like,

720
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: you can't make your arms longer.

721
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think like you if you if

722
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: you like, let's say, for example, like you know Rvel

723
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Resa's the fastest forty. David Bailey has the longest arms

724
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: of these three guys, and Ruben Bain comes in and

725
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: just interviews as the best.

726
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: Now the debates back one correct, three of them correct.

727
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's exactly right.

728
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Okay, anybody else that stood out to you in this class.

729
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: That's how we're going to end this episode is just

730
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: go through real quickly, tell us all the guys that

731
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: just stood out.

732
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: So I'm wonder I'm just going to kind of rapid

733
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: fire a bunch of names there because I like to

734
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: give people credit. Obviously.

735
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

736
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: So we're talking Edges right now. The other guy is

737
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: from you that we're going to talk about. Two kids

738
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: from UCF, so Malachi Lawrence and Najlique Kelly. So Malachi

739
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: Lawrence absolutely, like everyone's going to talk about the Housetak guys,

740
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: this dude killed the combine in terms of aggregate athletics score.

741
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: I would assume he had the best one here in

742
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: terms of ten yards split, vertical jump, broad jump, and

743
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: forty yard dash, Like he's got to be in the

744
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: top ten. And I think he came in at two

745
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty if I'm not gonna.

746
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Say four two fifty.

747
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he is big. He had long arms. They

748
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: get thirty three and three quarter inch arms too, something

749
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: crazy like that. Like in terms of physical project like,

750
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: this dude just made himself a lot of money.

751
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: He had production, Yeah right, you know seven sacks, two

752
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: quarterback hits, thirty one hurries.

753
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

754
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: I mean he was at the East West Shrine Bowl. Lawrence, Yes,

755
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: Lawrence was at the East West Shrine BWL. Kelly was

756
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. Were about the Doctor. I get

757
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: that mixed up with where they were, but yeah, he

758
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: was at the East West Shrine Bowl. And you know,

759
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: look fine, but.

760
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: I think you saw because again one of the things

761
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: about we talked about his film at UCF Rushing from

762
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: a really tight five, not really understanding the angle at

763
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, wind out to a nine. Running downhill,

764
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: you feel the explosiveness, you feel the length, and you're like, right,

765
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: and then he comes here. He's something yeah, and then

766
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: he comes here and you're like, oh, dang right. So

767
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: this is an example of the film's Okay, the Shrine

768
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Bowl was pretty good and the combine's excellent, and I

769
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: think this guy's probably now a third round pick potentially

770
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: because of his production here. The other guy is Nogalique Kelly,

771
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: who again is much different body type. He's six', six

772
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: he's two forty, seven a little bit, skinny got mutant

773
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: long ARMS i think they're thirty five, inches didn't run exceptionally.

774
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Well but the thing that suck out to me about

775
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: him is when he was on the field moving, around

776
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: he was so, smooth changed the, direction his drops on the,

777
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: bags his. Footwork so it's funny, like how maybe you

778
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: Know Malachi lawrence for sure won the combine if of

779
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: the two, guys but a guy THAT i came away, thinking,

780
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: Wow Najalie kelly pretty impressive in terms of movement, skills

781
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: and a guy that's with this, long lanky frame that

782
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: can add some muscular, development probably probably helped himself based

783
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: on the fieldwork.

784
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah THAT'S i would. Say what stuck out to

785
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: me about him is like with my justic guy ies

786
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: at here at the, combine is he clearly had he

787
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: has THIS i don't want to say weird body, type

788
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: that's not the way to. Describe but when he's moving out, there,

789
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: he's like you, said really super long. Arms looks like

790
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: if he stood up and put his hands, down he

791
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: could like tap his knees, Right just long long, arms long.

792
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: Limbs but you would, think, like if you're drawing up

793
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: this cartoon character, again they're gonna be a little, lumbering

794
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: a little. Tight but he moved so flu.

795
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: Fun.

796
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, right so it's, like whoa these pieces normally look

797
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: when you're, lanky he's he's you, know, built he's not.

798
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: Lanky but when you have those long, arms you think

799
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: they're gonna look a certain way when they, run but it.

800
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't it doesn't look like.

801
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: That and that sticks out because it's, like, oh that

802
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: means you.

803
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Have some sort of move to, coordination, rhythm whatever it

804
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: is we can play with. Here, Yeah so that that

805
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: was a really surprising one because AGAIN i came, out,

806
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: MAN i was, like felt bad because he ran like

807
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: a four eight and he didn't jump super. Well but

808
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: then watching on the, Field you're, like, remember football isn't

809
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: about all these explosive metrics all the. Time it's also

810
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: about the movement. Skills so the other, One i'm gonna

811
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: talk about two guys kind of together. Here one Is

812
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Cashus howell From TEXTS a AND. M, again So Ruben

813
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: bain had the four shortest arms in the history of the.

814
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: Combine Cashus howel had the third shortest arms in the

815
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: history of the, combine.

816
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: Which is, crazy crazy, short which was thirty. Inches Ruben

817
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: bean had thirty seven. Eight he has thirty one fourth.

818
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah so everyone's gonna look at that and be, like

819
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: what does this mean for? HIM i think he actually

820
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,479
Speaker 1: came out and ran pretty. Well he was pretty, Fast

821
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: like in terms of his forty yard, Dash like the

822
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: forty was. Good the ten forty dash was a four

823
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: or five, nine four five, nine which is excellent for.

824
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: HIM i think he had a really solid ten which is, eight,

825
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: yeah which is pretty. FANTASTIC i. Hear this is the

826
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: funny thing About Cashus. Howell in my, opinion is when

827
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: you Hear scout's talk about, him like those things are

828
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: all red flags for, me but his film is so

829
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: good that they're, LIKE i still love the. Player i'm

830
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: going to go to bad for, him, Right but my

831
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: question IS i.

832
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Love the, Player i'm going to go to bat for. Him,

833
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: okay but are you going to bat for him in this?

834
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: Round are you going to bat for him in this?

835
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: Round like when you decide to stand? Up you know

836
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: the meme where the guy stands up and it's like

837
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: on the, table, right, yeah so when when do you do?

838
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: That like?

839
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: Before maybe you're, like, Oh i'm doing that in the second. Round.

840
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah now it's Like i'm gonna.

841
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Stay seated for a little bit because like people were

842
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: talking about him maybe being in play in the top,

843
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: ten right be his production was that, good and SO

844
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: i got his numbers up BECAUSE i was talking your

845
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: computers on it was distracting. Me that's WHY i was

846
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: where's coming? From so, anyway so he ran a four

847
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: or five nine his ten year, olds but was, great

848
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: one five to eight really. Good but vertical jump is

849
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: only thirty two and a half. Inches bron jumps nine

850
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: to seven arms Thirty so again that's one where didn't

851
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: really quite check the box here at The. Combine film's,

852
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: good but one of the RESERVATIONS i had about. Him

853
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: we talked about this when we did our edges is

854
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: the athlete is it? Elite AND i don't think it's,

855
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Elite SO i think this probably pushes it down into

856
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: the bottom half of the first. Round still a first

857
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: round player in my, estimation maybe high end second. Guy

858
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: but it's just funny how like, this this gives you

859
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: the context on what you see from the film at

860
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: a high level and the last.

861
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: Guy so about, him this is WHAT i originally wrote

862
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: WHEN i first saw, it and just how The combine

863
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: supplements the film is THIS i, wrote potential with this

864
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: kid is, huge nice size and speed missed with excellent

865
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: body control and ben feet are pretty smooth and. Refined

866
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: hands can be tough at, times and his strength doesn't always.

867
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: Show so.

868
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: Why is?

869
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: THAT i don't. Know combine's trying to answer.

870
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: That for, me that's exactly. Right it's the arm.

871
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: Light it's hard to get in there and demonstrate strength

872
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: when you can't get.

873
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: There and he's not an. Elite he doesn't have elite,

874
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: explosions not elite. Explosively, yeah it's a good, explosion but

875
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: it's not a lead. Explosion so that's that's one THAT

876
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: i think is. Interesting and the other guy THAT i

877
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about is our, Guy Keldrick falk From.

878
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: Alburn he did not, run HOWEVER.

879
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: I want to this is your, guy here's my.

880
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: GUY i really like him a.

881
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 2: Lot you want to find reasons to fall in love with, them.

882
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: SO i don't know IF i want to find reasons

883
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: to fall in love with them, necessarily BUT i do

884
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: think that he's an interesting prospect because you talk About

885
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: bain And howell and maybe not winning the measurement of the.

886
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: Combine this is a guy that he had thirty five inch,

887
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: arms thirty four thirty four and a half inch in.

888
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: Charms he measured it at six six in a. Quarter

889
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and seventy nine. POUNDS i am looking

890
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: for his jump stuff right now because there's like a

891
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: huge database of people here right. Here thirty five inch vertical,

892
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: jump which is for a man who's almost two hundred

893
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds is really, impressive AND i think he

894
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: had a decent broad. JUMP i don't remember off the

895
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: top of think it was nine to, nine which for

896
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: a guy of his size is pretty. Solid and then field,

897
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: WORK i thought some of the pass rush, stuff like

898
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: he had the bag where you kind of line the

899
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: three bags up and you do the looked a little

900
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: bit clunky. There but the thing that really stuck out

901
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: to me is the drops and the movement skills and

902
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: the way he tracked and caught the football and just

903
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: the those types of in the same Way Najaligue kelly

904
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: was impressive kind of moving on the. Field he moved

905
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: really well on the. Field so to, me he's kind

906
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: of the other end of the spectrum From Ruben bin

907
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: because he came and measured really, well jumps hit threshold

908
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: in my, opinion and then obviously moved around on the

909
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: field and competed on the field at a pretty high.

910
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Level and so NOW i kind of, wonder, like does

911
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: this guy if he comes to his protae At auburn

912
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: and runs he'd probably have to run a four to

913
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: six to be a top ten. Player but if he

914
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: comes out and runs a four to, six are people

915
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: all of a sudden saying he leave frogs Ubin.

916
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Bin, Yeah and the thing about him THAT i think

917
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: can't be understated is his. Age, oh that's, right, Right

918
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: AND i think that's why people are gonna fall in

919
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: love with him because they see what you're talking, about

920
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: the movement, skills and they're, like, okay so his vertical is, good,

921
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: yeah not, great broad is. Good but he's nineteen will

922
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: turn twenty by, draft which is so. Crazy he's not, done,

923
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: like his body's not done, developing so there's more juice

924
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: to squeeze out of.

925
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: That, yeah is the.

926
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: Point so what if he stayed in one more. Year

927
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: i'm not saying he should. Have what if he stayed

928
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: in one more, year comes out next year and does

929
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: he jump a little? Higher does?

930
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: He it's interesting to compare him to like a Keey

931
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: mesodor for, example who's who didn't do anything. Yesterday AND

932
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: i think The miami guys are waiting with their stuff

933
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: in the. Comba but he's the edge From.

934
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: Miami and the reason we're bringing up him up is

935
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: because a Keey mesodor is twenty, five.

936
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: So he is literally five years older five and a

937
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: half Then Keldric. Falk so, like imagine What Keldric falk

938
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: could be in five? Years? Now do you want to

939
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: take that investment and work on that? Guy while he's.

940
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: DEVELOPING i don't, know But i've heard he interviewed really.

941
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Well so this is one of those guys that coming

942
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: out of the, combine he checked all the measurement boxes

943
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: supposed to measurements are fine movement skills on the field

944
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: or i'd say, plus like does he start Jumping Reuben

945
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: bain as those like measurement freaks tend to do as

946
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: we get closer to the.

947
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: Draft, yeah this is the thing About Falkin mesodor like

948
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: this conversation here is that it's gonna be BECAUSE i

949
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: can hear myself saying why wouldn't you take the young?

950
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: Guy like why wouldn't you do? That come, More you're

951
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: gonna g have more of His you're gonna develop him,

952
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Better you're gonna, like you're gonna get that young, Explosiveness

953
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: like why would you take someone twenty five years? Old

954
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: AND i think this comes down to maybe a Keem

955
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: mezzodor goes. First maybe he, doesn't but maybe he goes

956
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 2: before falk because it's what you're bringing to a. Team

957
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: and this is where what a team is looking for

958
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: matters more than say the quote unquote. Prospect so maybe

959
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: there's a team that's sitting and both these guys are

960
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: on the, Board falk And, mesador and they, go you

961
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: know WHAT i need elite pass rush out. Now, ye

962
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: well that's gonna Be mesador because he's ready to Get

963
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: you bring him, in you plug him. In you feel perfectly.

964
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: Fine you Draft. Falk we gotta work on some. Things

965
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: we got to polish some things. Up we think you're

966
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: gonna get physically developed, too like that takes time and

967
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: you'll get. There we believe you're going to get, there

968
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: and maybe your get there will be a higher ceiling Than.

969
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: Mesodors but we don't have two years to Get we

970
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: don't have. That we need it. Now so it depends

971
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: on where these guys felt. Like the point being is

972
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: that That i'm bringing up AS i actually was talking

973
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: with my wife about this last. Night too often we

974
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: think about uh linear when it comes to their, draft

975
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: because that's how it, ends right, one, two, three, four

976
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: five is all the way. Down it's really not like

977
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: that because a team will look and they'll be, like

978
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: what do we Need at a, point these two guys are,

979
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: here it's what fits our. Need it's not quote unquote

980
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: best player. Available so when they slide in There that

981
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that the team Thinks mesodor is better long

982
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: term than What fulk is going to, be or vice.

983
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: Versa that doesn't mean.

984
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: That it just means that's what the team, needs that's

985
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: what they, need or they have an infrastructure to develop

986
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: a young. GUY i think that's the other, thing like

987
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: we feel like we can handle. That and Then i'll

988
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: keep so, again so obviously that we spent a lot

989
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: of time on edge BECAUSE i think that's a big

990
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: need for the. Commanders then from defensive, tackle like guys

991
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: that we talked about on Our Defensive tackle, show Demonte

992
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: caphart for the defensive tackle From, clemson you saw the,

993
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: tightness you saw kind of the physical limitations on the

994
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: movement skill, side but was extremely. Explosive Zane durant was

995
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: the fastest forty four defensive, Tackle and it's kind of

996
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: moving into that threshold of elite movement skills lead change

997
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: the direction at least lead, explosion which is something you

998
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: said you saw on, tape and again like that's one

999
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: of the ones where LIKE i go back and, say,

1000
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: like is this is the lack of production that bothered

1001
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: me strictly, utilization which is something you talked About Grayson

1002
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: halton From, oklahoma round a four or eight to. Two,

1003
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: again crazy explosive measurements that pass rush upside we were talking.

1004
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: About so those are some guys THAT i thought we

1005
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: should touch on just because we talked about him on

1006
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: our last show and just those explosive measurements for the

1007
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: defensive tackle are really important to.

1008
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: Discuss can we talk About Caleb?

1009
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: Proctor Caleb, Proctor, yes we can talk about.

1010
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: It, yeah From Southeastern louisiana BECAUSE i loved, him, yeah

1011
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: AND i thought he. Didn't they're great, Here LIKE i

1012
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: want to move him up. NOW i want to go,

1013
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: look go, back, look move him.

1014
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: Up, well the thing that was really impressive to me

1015
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: about him here is he came in at six' two

1016
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: so At The shrine bowl he measured it at six

1017
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: one and, a half so a little, bit UNDER and

1018
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: i think he was one sixty seven something. Like that

1019
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: so here he comes in six two two, ninety one

1020
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: which is that's a defensive. Tackle. Body yeah and then

1021
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: not only did he put on a little bit of

1022
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: weight or coming off a season kind of get back,

1023
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: into Shape.

1024
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: But MIKE can i my guy ran the second fastest

1025
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: forty out of the d tackles at a four, nine

1026
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: seven which is four to. Seven nine, oh sorry four to,

1027
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: seven nine which is moving.

1028
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: At one point sixty eight split thirty three inch vertical,

1029
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: jump right like kind of killed. Low key, so again

1030
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: to come in at, that weight to come at that,

1031
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: BODY size i think is. Really impressive and then again

1032
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: we got to wrap up here. Real quick, but, like

1033
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: look should we Talk About lee hunter? REAL quick, i

1034
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: mean let's Let's Do lee Hunter The texas tech. Defensive

1035
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: tackle so. He was he's an interesting evaluation because he

1036
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: does basically just, play, Noseguard right that's what he did

1037
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: At At. Texas tech he's a great, Run defender he's got.

1038
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: Great length he ran a five point, one forty which.

1039
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: IS awesome i think the stuff that kind of comes

1040
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: to the forefront here is he lost a little bit

1041
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: of weight coming out Of The. Senior bowl he weigh

1042
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: three hundred thirty pounds At The, senior bowl so here

1043
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: he weighed, three eighteen probably to. Run fast the thing

1044
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: that was alarming is the ten yard, split's good it's

1045
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: a one point. Seventy nine the forty, is good it's

1046
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: a five point. One eight but he had a twenty

1047
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: one point five inch vertical and he had an eighty

1048
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: Four broad so we talked about the vertical and the

1049
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: broad jump in their kind of combination earlier that those

1050
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: numbers are a little bit concerning for someone you'd be

1051
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: thinking about taking in the.

1052
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 2: First round i'm going to give a, Little. Content okay

1053
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: so he came in last in vertical for the guys

1054
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: that jumped in, this class at twenty one, point, Five,

1055
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: right okay the, next guy the next lowest was twenty seven.

1056
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: Point five so that's six inches away from the next.

1057
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Levels guy it's it's, not like oh you're just it's, not.

1058
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Close YEP and i think that's, the thing, is like

1059
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: that's what sets off. The alarm that number is, very

1060
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: historically very low for. The position, and again you don't

1061
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: need a defensive tackle to come out and, just be,

1062
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: you know doing the, high jump but you'd like to

1063
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: see them meet minimal. Athletic thresholds and so one of

1064
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: THE things i wrote up in my write up when

1065
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: we talked about HIM is i worried about his top

1066
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: end explosiveness because he is kind of. A pusher he

1067
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: doesn't have like a burst and snap. To him so

1068
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: do people see this and, then, say hey are you

1069
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: a first? Round player becase people we talking about him

1070
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: in a bottom of the first. Round player maybe the

1071
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: first defensive. Tackle taken now does? That? Change now do

1072
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: you kind of take a shot on A kleb banks

1073
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: who had a really, Good, day yeah but kind of a,

1074
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: Funny day like did you hear? This? Story so like

1075
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: he tell me? About it so he had tested?

1076
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: Really Well Sorry caleb banks, from Yeah.

1077
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: From florida so, huge guy the biggest wings here at,

1078
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: the combine. BIG weight i think he was three hundred

1079
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: and twenty. Five pounds he's over, six six like, huge

1080
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: hand ten and a half into like just. A freak

1081
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Ran a, grade forty jumped out of thirty three inch

1082
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: vertical like hit all the. Explosive measurements looks great in the,

1083
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: field work gets through the first, two drills takes his

1084
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: shoes off, and says my cleats are. BOTHERING me i

1085
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: don't want to, do anymore which is a weird thing,

1086
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: to say because if they are, Bothering you i'm not.

1087
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: Saying that i'm, just, SAYING hey i had a great.

1088
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: Testing day. I'm done, i'm like, YOU know i feel a.

1089
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: Little tightness just. Walk off but for you to, be

1090
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: like my feet hurt because my cleats, Are, tight like

1091
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: that's just a. WEIRD dialogue i think so, to me

1092
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: it informs the player explain to me why that's. Weird

1093
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: deal it's just because you could, easily, Say like i'm

1094
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: getting a little tight in, my hamstring which is a totally.

1095
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: Reasonable everyone there's five guys that do it. EVERY year

1096
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: i ran a, good forty had a good, vertical jump

1097
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: did the first couple. Of, drills well we meet a.

1098
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Little tightness i'm gonna shut it down to the rest

1099
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: of my. Pro day totally reasonable happens. Every year everyone knows,

1100
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: it's bullshit but they still do. It anyway right for you,

1101
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: to say my feet are bothering me because my cleats don't,

1102
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: feel good it just makes you. FEEL soft i don't

1103
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: know if. It's soft it's just a weird like it

1104
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: just it just seems like you're not thinking through. The

1105
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: process if the guy's, Just honest i'm just an. Honest

1106
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: GUY but i think. IT honest i think it coincides

1107
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: with the stuff we've seen, About him like At The, senior,

1108
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: bowl right some of the most physically dominant reps at

1109
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: that event and then also some event some stuff where

1110
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: he's kind, Of like, I'm good i'm. Just chilling so

1111
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: does that speak to kind of? Does that? Does that

1112
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: is that a confirmation biased to what he is as

1113
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: a what he shows, ON tape i guess would be.

1114
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: My question so that WAS something i thought was again killed,

1115
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: the combine but kind of a funny little anecdote there

1116
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: coming out of the drills yesterday in terms.

1117
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: Of him and, YOU know i was a little lower,

1118
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: on him one of the reasons being like the conditioning

1119
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: and could have been the injury that he.

1120
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Had which was From His but i'm glad you brought. That.

1121
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Up foot i'm glad you brought it up because it

1122
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: is important to mention that it just it's JUST a i,

1123
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: don't know just kind of was a funny thing to me.

1124
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: Defending them i'm lowering them the, most People but i'm

1125
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: going to. DEFEND them i. Think injury you're a little

1126
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: tight telling, people, like hey look I'm gonna i'm not

1127
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: gonna do the. Hamstring thing i'm gonna be real with.

1128
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: Everybody here just let You know i'm a stand up

1129
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: guy right now because.

1130
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: My foot but also this is the OTHER thing i

1131
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: want to, say too IS like i think he can

1132
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: be the first defensive, tackle taken, no, Nonsense right but

1133
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: that's the type of Stuff where, i'm, like uh he's got,

1134
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: an interview well basically Is what, I'm saying like. Hopefully,

1135
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: interviewed great great week, for him pit all the, check

1136
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: marks but a Little bit i'm, just like, come, on

1137
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: man like just a weird thing.

1138
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: To do, All, right well today we have your.

1139
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: Your, dudes yeah we got tight ends and we got.

1140
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Defensive Backs So, CALEB downs i don't know if he's.

1141
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: RUNNING today i don't know if you've heard anything. About

1142
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: that caroline may may or not be. Running today but

1143
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: the but then the, TIGHT ends i think this is

1144
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna be an awesome tight.

1145
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: END group i think All the ohio state guys are

1146
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: going to do stuff here for. Whatever reason it's. Just

1147
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: competitive just remember that Year where michigan Won the national

1148
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: and they all were here and they just it's just

1149
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: something ABOUT like i think they have their chest out

1150
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: and they're rolling and then, we're like this. IS ours

1151
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: i think.

1152
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: There's, THERE yeah i think there's probably something. To that,

1153
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: BUT yeah i think this is the. They've had this

1154
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: is the year they've invited the most tight ends to.

1155
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: THE combine i think it speaks to the depth of.

1156
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: The class there might not be the top shelf guys

1157
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: the same way they're spending, the past but it's a very.

1158
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: Deep class lots of really exciting guy always say he's gonna.

1159
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: Do it. That's, awesome yeah. So real That's why caroline's.

1160
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: The best so we'll have another episode come out, tomorrow

1161
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: morning recapping. Last night we used to drop it, at

1162
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: night but why would we do that? At midnight it

1163
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: was getting really good in. The morning and we also

1164
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: get a chance to have interviews in the morning with

1165
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: which we'll, do today which we're going to do right.

1166
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: After this so but thanks, for, listening right thanks.

1167
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: For listening really. Appreciate it and if you guys want

1168
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: us to kind of double down or double click, on

1169
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: anybody please leave it in. The comments we really. Appreciate

1170
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: it but for, today's show. That's it