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Speaker 1: of last week's major headlines in the NBA game ballgate

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Speaker 1: on This League Uncut. Welcome to this League Uncut and

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Speaker 1: rule the twenty four hour NBA news, This news you'll

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Speaker 1: Chris Hans, let's go time, work's time, It's so time.

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Speaker 1: This League Uncut is underway, in on fire. This should

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Speaker 1: be a good one. Hey, everyone, welcome in to the

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Speaker 1: latest edition of This League Uncut. Chris Haynes and I

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Speaker 1: recording late on Sunday night after a wild week. I'm

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Speaker 1: more to come from there. I'm still shocked though, that

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Speaker 1: So we really haven't had a chance to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: It looks weak. Stan. The Lakers put up a small

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the Pacers do win it next year,

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Speaker 2: To me, well, the size of a banner is not

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is there are people out there, and

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Speaker 2: They are ten and seventy two. Would they consider that

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Speaker 1: No, but I do think it's banner worthy. Now, should

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Speaker 1: Should they get rings? No? Should they have a parade? No?

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Speaker 1: know what I'm not personally, I don't find myself so

432
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: hung up on the is it over question? Because it's

433
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be over. This is this is year ten.

434
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Speaker 1: If we start the clock with that first Champmionship team

435
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, fifteen, and like it's not supposed to

436
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: go for a decade, and there's so much discussion, how

437
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: about what should the Warriors do? What trade should they make?

438
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: They're not one trade away from fixing this team, because

439
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: Draymond Green is just one of the many problems that

440
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: the Warriors are looking at right now. And you know,

441
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: for all to talk about Draymond and his availability and

442
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: all the talk about Klay Thompson's early struggles, you know,

443
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: the Andrew Wiggins regression, the Andrew Wiggins situation. To me,

444
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: that might actually be Golden State's foremost problem at this

445
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: point because here's Wiggins twenty eight in year one of

446
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: a four year, one hundred and nine million dollar contract

447
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: that he got because he was such a difference maker

448
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: in that title run two seasons ago, and he's just

449
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: been benched. He's out of the starting lineup now. So

450
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean they are I mean in their current state.

451
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: To me, they are not a trade away from being

452
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: back among the Western Conference elite. They got a zillion

453
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: things to figure out in the Bay Area. So getting

454
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: Draymond Green back, that's that's just one thing to me

455
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: on a long to do list. Now, this story that

456
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: we move on to is of a far more frivolous nature.

457
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: But man, this is another story that got NBA Twitter superheated.

458
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: And look, I'm still confused by exactly what happened. I

459
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: don't know which I still don't know which ball Jannis

460
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Antetokumpo has in his possession. But he scores sixty four

461
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: points at home against the Pacers. Thirty two trips to

462
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: the line in that game. No threes for Yannis in

463
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: that game. I think you got to go back. C

464
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: got almost twenty five years for a player to score

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00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: sixty without a three. I think I think Shaq was

466
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: the last one to do it, and it was forever ago.

467
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: But I think most people probably know the story. You know,

468
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Jannie went ballistic after the game because he thought the

469
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Pacers swiped the game ball. And I know that well,

470
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: no one I know knows the Bucks as well as you.

471
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna turn it over to you and

472
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: ask you. Now that we're removed from this by a

473
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: couple of days. And by the way, the Warriors did

474
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: hang on and get that win in Portland, their second

475
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: straight win to go to twelve and fourteen. But now

476
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: that we're a little bit removed from game Ballgate as

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: people are calling it, what can you explain this whole

478
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: Yannis Pacers thing? These I think the only one thing

479
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I do know these which this part's nice. These teams

480
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: do not like each other.

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00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I like. That's the point. I like

482
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: the fact that they don't like each other. That would

483
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: be a really good and entertaining series should they meet

484
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. But stan Stein, go and say, before

485
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: I jump in with what I think people are missing

486
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 2: from the gate with this whatever you want to call

487
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: this ballgate, explain what Carl Carlis said, Explain his rationale

488
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: or reasoning for taking the ball. Then I will jump

489
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: in with what I think people are completely missing from

490
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Speaker 2: all of this.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, based on what I could gather in

492
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Speaker 1: full candor, I have to say that I have not

493
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: studied this all as closely as some I know worldwide.

494
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: Wobb did one of his famous what does he call

495
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: him web investigations with video, and my fellow substacker Scott Agnes,

496
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: had a great story on his substack Fieldhouse Files about

497
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: how all the balls have numbers and so it should

498
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: be easy to figure out which one Yiannis had. But

499
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: basically the game ends and it looked like a Bucks

500
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: official grabbed the game ball, but the Bucks were saying

501
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: the Pacers had it, and Rick Carlile after the game

502
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: came out and said, no, we were not trying to

503
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: keep the ball away. We were not trying to keep

504
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: the game ball away from Janis Antetokumpo after he had

505
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: just scored a career high sixty four points. No, the

506
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Pacers claim was that they were simply trying to get

507
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: the game ball because PACER's rookie Oscar shebwe recorded his

508
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: first NBA point from the free throw line in the

509
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: same game. So Rick Carlyle went to the podium and said,

510
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: there was no malice intended towards Giannis. The Pacers simply

511
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get the ball for Oscar Shebweh. And again,

512
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: like I said, when you watch the video, it's it

513
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: sure looks like it's a Bucks official who had the

514
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: ball first. And we know there are at least two

515
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: game balls for every game. And then Giannis came out

516
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: and said he has a game ball, but he's not

517
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: sure if it's the one that he actually scored all

518
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the points within the second half because it quote feels

519
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: different to him. So, like I said, I've done enough talking.

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00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Please shed some Chris Hayneses clarity on this because I'm

521
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: still confused.

522
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: Man. Okay, let's talk about the game ball. First of all,

523
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: there's only one game ball, and there are usually two

524
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: reserve balls in case the game ball gets damaged, it

525
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: gets wet. Then you go to the scores today. They

526
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: usually keep these other two balls behind the scorers table.

527
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: But there's only one game ball unless another ball actually

528
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: gets on the court and it's played. So it's only

529
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: one game ball, period. That's it. I want to just

530
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: clarify that. The other thing that I think people are

531
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: missing from this whole thing. And I understand what Carl,

532
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: I understand what the Pacers we're doing, and I respect

533
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: their pettiness. I really do. I respect their pettiness.

534
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: So you're not.

535
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all, not at all. What

536
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: really happened was they were ticked off that the Bucks

537
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: left Giannis in the game to get that sixty four brick.

538
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: Carliut pulled his starters around a five minute mark. I

539
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: think it was closer to the six minute mark. And

540
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: the Bucks, you know, left their starters in. And it

541
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: wasn't like they left their starters in to just play, No,

542
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: they left their starters in to get Giannis more points.

543
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: Nobody else was shooting the ball. That's what the Pacers

544
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: had a problem with. Now, when coach Griffin did pull

545
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: he eventually did pull his starters out, and the Pacers

546
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: bench made a run and which caused Giannis and everybody

547
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: else to get back in there to make sure they

548
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: officially closed it. But the main problem, main issue was

549
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: that they had with the Bucks were that they kept

550
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: their starters in a little bit too long. That's why

551
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: that's why we had this whole post game drop. But

552
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: that's why we had that. It was not to get

553
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: Oscar his his you know, I went so so stein,

554
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm I'm putting the news out as

555
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: I as I get it live that night, you know

556
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like I'm tweeting, I'm tweeting all the

557
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: updates I'm getting. I'm getting quotes from what the coaches

558
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: were telling the players about why they're keeping this ball

559
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: and they were and you know, and I was told

560
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: this was before rook Carlile said it publicly, but I

561
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: was told the Pacers were saying like they're they're they're

562
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: keeping the ball because their rookie scored his first basket,

563
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: and that's all the information I had. So stein, I'm

564
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: getting on my laptop quick, like okay, who's this rookie?

565
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: Who's this rookie? And I'm looking and I'm like, okay,

566
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: I see one rookie, but he didn't score phield goal

567
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he scored one free throw. I'm like this,

568
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: this is the rookie they talking about because they never

569
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: gave me a name, and so I started looking at

570
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: the rookies game log and then I noticed I'm like, well,

571
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: this can't be true because this rookie scored one free

572
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: throw again against the Lakers in the ND Season Tournament

573
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this can't be true. Like this don't

574
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: make sense, you know what I mean. Then I realized, okay,

575
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: hold on, that N Season Tournament championship game did not

576
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: count towards the stats, towards the regular season stats, and

577
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: so I was kind of hesitant on even putting the

578
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: Oscar's name out there because I'm just like, this cannot

579
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: be the line that they're using, right, now, but they did,

580
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, minutes later, you know, I put my report

581
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: out and then Carlos a few minutes later came out

582
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: and said it publicly. You know, they were indeed trying

583
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: to give the ball to Oscar, who made one free throw.

584
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: But again, the whole reason why they went down this

585
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: hole because they didn't approve of how to Buck handled

586
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: the minute distribution down the stretch of the game, a

587
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: game in which the Bucks. They felt like the Bucks

588
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: clearly had the game one. That is what people are missing.

589
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: It's not about Oscar, it's not about Yannis. Well, it

590
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: is about Yiannis. But you know, they did not like

591
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: the way Adrian Griffin kept his starters here. They felt

592
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: like the Asian Griffin kept his starters in there too

593
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: long and which disrespected them. So in return, they were

594
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 2: gonna disrespect them back. And that was the most petty

595
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: way to do it. You're in bill Waukee and you say,

596
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the ball away from the guy who

597
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: just scored a franchise record sixty four points. But this

598
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: is something we always do in Indiana. I'm not gonna

599
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: go give it to somebody a rookie who scored his

600
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: first basket. I'm going to give it to a rookie

601
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 2: who made one free throw. That's what he did.

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00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: Can I ask the person, can I ask a personal

603
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: selfish favor. Now that we're a few days move from this,

604
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: can you check with your extensive network of bucks sources

605
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: and find out, like, so, is Giannis andy clear? Does

606
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: he have? Does he have what? Or? No? Maybe the

607
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: better question which ball does he have? The Scott Agnes

608
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: story on Fieldhouse Files says that all of these balls

609
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: have a serial number on it, so we should be

610
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: able to figure out which which one Yiannis actually has. Okay,

611
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: that's what I want to note.

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00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now and later on I'll

613
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: tell a story about this. If you give me forty

614
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: five seconds. I have a NBA Finals game ball in

615
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: my closet. This is the game ball from the Warriors Raptors. Now,

616
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: when I say game ball, remember I tell tell people

617
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: there there are usually two reserved balls behind the scores table,

618
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: just in case the game ball gets damaged somehow. So

619
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: I have one of those balls. I have one of

620
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: those two balls.

621
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: Which is story and which is a story.

622
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: It is a story in itself, and I you know, and.

623
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: I got to see you're saving that one for the

624
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: book though, right.

625
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't know. I don't know if that'll

626
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: make the book. That might be that might be of

627
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: this league uncut why not they want to hear it.

628
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: But I have one of I have one of the balls,

629
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: and so let me go get it. Give me forty

630
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: five seconds. I want to see if it has a

631
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: serial number. But one more thing I want to.

632
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Add before I know the problem is.

633
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: That that's that's the same that that was the last

634
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: I believe that was the last year they used as Spalding.

635
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: But shouldn't it still? Yeah? It should It's okay, give

636
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: me forty five seconds. So stein as you see here

637
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: NBA official official game ball the NBA, and you see

638
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: right there it has two thousand, twenty nineteen NBA Finals

639
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: subscribed on the basketball. Again, this is one of the

640
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: three well excuse me, this is one of the two

641
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: NBA reserve balls that they keep behind the scores table

642
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: just in case the official just in case the game

643
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: ball gets damaged somehow during the course of the game.

644
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: So now let's look on. I'm looking on this bad boy,

645
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking all around. I do not see I do

646
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: not see any numbers at all on this basketball. This

647
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: is twenty nineteen. I'm looking all around stein, no serial code, nothing.

648
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's a new policy that started when Wilson

649
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: took over.

650
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that could be a possibility. This is a Spaulding.

651
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: I believe this was the last year that a Spaulding

652
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: ball was the official game ball. Again, this was the

653
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen NBA Finals Golden State Warriors Toronto Raptors. The

654
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: actually the last game when Toronto won and Golden State

655
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: whatever game that was? So yes, six game six yep.

656
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, nothing, no numbers on this basketball. But again,

657
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: there's only one game ball. Now, if they ended up

658
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: giving Oscar another ball, it's not the game ball, it's

659
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: the reserve ball. There's a difference. Game ball is the

660
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: ball you played with during the course of the game.

661
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: But again, I think that was just the boat that

662
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: was completely missed. It wasn't about Oscar, it wasn't about Giannis.

663
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: It was about the Bucks feeling like the Bucks kept

664
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 2: their starters in too long.

665
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: Well, as you mentioned earlier, it'd be great to see

666
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: these teams meet up in the playoffs. They will play

667
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: a two game baseball series to start twenty twenty four

668
00:40:54,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: January first and January third, two Pacer Bucks rematches in

669
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: a row, And like I said, I hope that. I

670
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: hope we can figure out And man, this is crazy

671
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: that that Warriors Blazers game I mentioned the first time

672
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: in two hundred and sixty nine games. Mm hmm, Stephan

673
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: Curry does not sink a three pointer. Oh for eight

674
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: for Steph on threes as we're recording on this Sunday night.

675
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: But the Warriors managed to pull out their second straight

676
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: win regardless. But yeah, like I would love if again,

677
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: if I can dial in this personal favor that you

678
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: kind of check back with these guys one more time

679
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: to find out, like which what which bald with a

680
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: little bit of distance in time, which bald does Giannis

681
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: actually think he has? He said he was gonna give

682
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: it to his mom. So which bal did he give

683
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: to his mom? Yeah?

684
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: He said didn't feel like the game ball, That's what

685
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: he said. Was last one. He said, I played with

686
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five minutes. I know what a ball a

687
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 2: ball feels like if you've been playing with that ball

688
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: for that that amount of.

689
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: Time, especially when you take thirty two free throws.

690
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he holds on to the ball

691
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: a long time. With free throws, he would well a.

692
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: Week, what a week this was. There's a reason we

693
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: call it hashtag this league. You know what. We're going

694
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: to end on an even lighter note than game Ballgate,

695
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: although this also I do want to seek some explanation

696
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: and clarification justification from you, because I'm still not even

697
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: sure how this blipped onto my radar. But I'm looking

698
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: at a social media post from the TUMACBO Rec League

699
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: in Sacramento, and this post, which is actually very well done,

700
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: a very nice post. Got a team picture here and

701
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: it says player of the game twenty seven points, seven dimes,

702
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: thirteen rebounds, Chris Haynes. This apparently happened today, eighty nine

703
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: seventy seven win. And yeah, I guess, I guess. You know,

704
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: Producer Ryan I think is trying to connect with the

705
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: Elias Sports Bureau right now to see where this ranks

706
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: in terms of career achievements for you. But you really,

707
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: so you really went for twenty seven, seven and thirteen

708
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: in this rec league game today?

709
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: With this today, well probably this was yesterday. We'll probably

710
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: have to call another participant total. I'll make it one call.

711
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: Let me, let me make this call on air. Hold on,

712
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: let me make this one call to get this to

713
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: get this right here, Mike, I got you on you

714
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: on my podcast. You're live on my podcast right now.

715
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: So my my, my whole, my podcast host, my co

716
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: host Mark Stein. He somehow, I don't know how he

717
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: got a hold of it, but he got a hold of,

718
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: uh my latest game stats from my last game yesterday

719
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: in the league. My stat line says twenty seven points,

720
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: seven assists, thirteen rebounds, and he wants to know if

721
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: these stats are manufactured. Mike, So can you please answer him?

722
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: Manufactured?

723
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: In what way? All these fake stats? Mike? Oh no, no, no,

724
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: they're not fake.

725
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, he was killing.

726
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: He's laughing.

727
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: He's laughing.

728
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: Oh man, but I appreciate you set the record straight.

729
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: First of all, give give you give me your ig

730
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: handle again. He makes he does pop up shots. Make

731
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: some of the best Filipino food and Sacramento in the

732
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Bay Area. Give me a shout out, Mike, Mike j

733
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: underscore a dobo king.

734
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: Okay, appreciate you, bro, Thanks for the info. Mike.

735
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: All right, thanks man, there you have it, Stein, no

736
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: fake news here. This is a Filipino league. So I

737
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: appreciate my Filipino brothers allow me to join their league

738
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: and we have every Saturday. And with this win yesterday,

739
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: we advanced to the final four, which will happen next Saturday.

740
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: So if we win our tam.

741
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: Wait it says your team is one in five, this

742
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: was your first win.

743
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: But I have explanation. I have explanation, have explanation for you.

744
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: So this graphic shows that we're one and five and

745
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: we beat a team that's four and two. I missed

746
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: the last three games because I was out of town,

747
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: but there was a couple of games as well that

748
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: were canceled because the gym that we use had a

749
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: leak in it. So they just they kind of scrapped

750
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 2: the last few games of the regular season and say, hey,

751
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: these games, these last three games are going to matter,

752
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: and so we were able to get a few wins

753
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: when it really mattered. Now we're in the final four.

754
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: And yes, and I told you, Stein, I don't play

755
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: when it comes to my stats. This is a post.

756
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: This is a social media graphic from the commissioner of

757
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: this great Filipino League himself, and he creates this every

758
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: week and has a player of the game have their stats,

759
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: and they they take you know, they keep track of everything. Man,

760
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: it's really impressive. We got jerseys, you see, we all

761
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: got jersey with our name on the back. You know,

762
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: I think I'm only brother. It's about two of us, man, Yeah,

763
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm no. Three. There's three brothers in this whole league.

764
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: It's an eight team league. Three brothers in this whole.

765
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: Why are you number fifteen? Why do you wear fifteen? Story?

766
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: Great? Great, great, that's a great question. Stein. So Stein,

767
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm in this league on Saturday, and I'm in another

768
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: league on Sundays. This is an adult league like thirty

769
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: and up, and that Sunday league. I wear eight this league.

770
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: What do you gotta wear fifteen? Growing up, my favorite

771
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: player was Latrelle's free will. He wore number fifteen for

772
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: the Golden State Warriors, and he wore eight with the

773
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: New York Knicks. So eight and fifteen growing up was

774
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: always my favorite numbers.

775
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: That is good. Did you get to where it? Did

776
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: you get to wear either fifteen or eight in college?

777
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: No? I couldn't. The best players got to wear those numbers.

778
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: No I had. I had forty four and like forty two.

779
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: I had those high numbers here, high numbers in high school,

780
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: in college, so though I didn't get to let bra water.

781
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: But Stean, I was telling you, Man, I was telling

782
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: you this whole time.

783
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: More equals eight and four times too equals eight? Is

784
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: that why you had?

785
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: That's the There you go, star, you did the math

786
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: if it works. But Stian I was telling you. I

787
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: was telling producer Ryan how I've been. I've been killing

788
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: in these leagues. I've been telling you, and you thought

789
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: I was lying. You thought, Oh, I told you I'm

790
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: in pretty good shape. I go Stein, I cook out there.

791
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: And this post doesn't prove.

792
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: This post doesn't have a field goal attempts, so we

793
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: don't know how you actually shot it to get those

794
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven.

795
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: Stott, you see, you see, you see, you see my

796
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: height compared to my teammates.

797
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Stein was a highly What you're saying is you were

798
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: this as a highly efficient twenty seven Exactly what I'm saying.

799
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: I don't need I don't need thirty shots to get

800
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: twenty seven points in this league style. You know, I

801
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: just need some help. I need help, and I think

802
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: I got the help. We need. I don't know if

803
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: we're favorites going into Saturday morning's game, but I like

804
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: our chances. We're on the roll. We're on a one

805
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: game winning streak, and Stein, if we win Saturday morning,

806
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: we play in the championship game that same day at noon.

807
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: So I'm highly motivated. I'll be going to the gym

808
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: three about three times this week to get prepared, get

809
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: my teammates prepared, and I'm sending them texts every day,

810
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: just keeping them motivated.

811
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Yea twenty seven, seven and thirteen. I want to see

812
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: three more dimes? Can you get a triple double?

813
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: Well, if the game calls for us, Stein, if the

814
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: game calls for it. But sometimes you got to be

815
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: you know, my team needs me to go, they need

816
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: me to go and score, and sometimes I have to

817
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: do that. And I can do the good thing about

818
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: my game, Stean, I can do whatever the game is

819
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: called for. And so that's what that's what it was

820
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: called for that day. It may be forty ten and

821
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: ten Saturday, we'll have to see.

822
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, look, we can promise you in forthcoming podcasts, there

823
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: will be lots of trade season discussion. As I said,

824
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: I am en route to the G League showcase in Orlando.

825
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: So trade season is going to be a big part

826
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: of this podcast from now through the February eighth trade deadline.

827
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: But I also can promise you there will be further

828
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: updates of Chris Haynes's Sacramento rec League exploits because now

829
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: we've we got to see if he can live up

830
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: to all this talk.

831
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: Stin, I'm gonna say this, man, it just came. It

832
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: just came to my head right now. I might go

833
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: live during my game. I might set my I might

834
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: have somebody. I might put my phone up on a

835
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: tripod and have somebody just following the game, and I

836
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: might just go live IG live. That might be an

837
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: ig live type of opportunity, so you can see and

838
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: watch what I do.

839
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: First, bringing back the media game that was so popular.

840
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: How many years ago is that now? Four?

841
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: That that was? That was actually when I got this ball, Starn,

842
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: that was twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen.

843
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: And how you got this ball? We're gonna be getting

844
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: a call from the league office, guys, we your podcast.

845
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: What is this ball that Chris Hayes is talking about

846
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: from the twenty.

847
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: No, I didn't take the game ball from Kawhi Littard. No,

848
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't. He didn't. He didn't get no record that night,

849
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: so it was safe to take this ball. But I

850
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: got this on good authority. I'm clean.

851
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: Hopefully we answered some of your questions on this edition

852
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: of This League Uncut. I grant you that we have

853
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: probably raised a few more unanswered questions that we will

854
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: with time if you show us just a little more patience.

855
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: If you stay patient with us, we will eventually gradually

856
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: answer those new questions we've raised as well. Great to

857
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: be with you again, mister Haynes. I don't know when

858
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: we will be together again in person. We were only

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Speaker 1: together briefly this past week in Dallas. Not sure again

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Speaker 1: where we're gonna cross pass, but hopefully we see each

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Speaker 1: other in person again soon. We will definitely get together

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Speaker 1: electronically again soon for another edition of This League Uncut.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't already, please remember rate, review or subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the show wherever you get your pods, whether that's Apple, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: any other pod provider. Thanks for listening. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: again soon and that'll do it for us. See you

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Speaker 1: next time. This League Uncut is and iHeartRadio production. Chris

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Speaker 1: Haynes and mark Stein