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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the

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Speaker 1: Rough with myself Teddy Mellencamp and.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Erica Jane. Hi, Teddy Mellencamp.

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Speaker 1: Hi, what are you doing for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 2: I'm hosting?

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Speaker 1: You are you're cooking? You're doing all?

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Speaker 2: Well? No, it's already cooked. John and I are hosting, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: at my house.

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Speaker 1: So oh that's nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We've got the people and dog, a dog and

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Speaker 2: you know, the man and the whole thing. So it's nice.

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Speaker 1: I love it. You and John are hosting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I know. It's that sweet. Isn't that sweet?

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Speaker 2: I was just on the phone on the way here.

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Speaker 2: I was like, as soon as I get back from podcasts,

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Speaker 2: we've got to go get these things from the Bristol farms.

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Speaker 2: And He's like, yes, okay, make a list.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to get the Hawaiian bread that we

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Speaker 1: all ate when we were It's like that.

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Speaker 2: I love those roles. I love those What about you?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to my dad's.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going to my dad's. Thanksgiving us figured out going

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Speaker 1: to my dad's with the kids, and then Christmas is

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Speaker 1: still up in the air, up in the air. So

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Speaker 1: I haven't figured that out yet me, right, So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of you for Thanksgiving right now.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of us. So we all go and

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Speaker 1: we go to my grandpa's house. I mean, we're still

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Speaker 1: lucky that I still have a grandpa. That is cool,

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Speaker 1: our great grandpa. Oh, a great grandpa, great grandpa Richard.

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Speaker 2: So how many generations does that make you?

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Speaker 1: So that's great grandpa, it's me, then my dad, then

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Speaker 1: my grandpa Richard.

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Speaker 2: So that's one, two, three, four, and then cruise would

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Speaker 2: be five. Yeah, all your kids would be five.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of us. And then all of

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Speaker 1: us come with our kids to my grand to Richard's

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Speaker 1: we call them Richard to Richard's house. And then, like

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Speaker 1: you kind of still wonder as if you're my age,

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Speaker 1: if like you're at the kids table or you're at

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Speaker 1: the adult's table.

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Speaker 2: It never feels like I graduated from the kids table.

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Speaker 2: Never feels like I graduated from the kids.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to need to walk down

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Speaker 1: to the basement and sit in my little spot.

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Speaker 2: Right before, right in the little table. Did you guys

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Speaker 2: have the little tab me too?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I still feel like I should be

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Speaker 2: at the little table.

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Speaker 1: But I also because I don't contribute, I'm not helping. Well,

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Speaker 1: so then I'm like, do.

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Speaker 2: You help prepare, clean, take away, serve? None of that.

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Speaker 1: I just shot. I just show up and then eat

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Speaker 1: all the egg noodles. Do you guys have egg noodles?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're so But what are they?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, but.

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Speaker 1: They're essentially like thick noodles.

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Speaker 2: I know what they are, but how are they prepared?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But like my aunts make them and

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Speaker 1: it's so good, and they're the first to go. So

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Speaker 1: it's like the second you get there.

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Speaker 2: You gotta grab the egg Like, I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Give me the eggs for me. It's I need the

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Speaker 1: egg noodles and I need the white meat turkey.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what time does Thanksgiving begin? Because in my family

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Speaker 2: there was two rounds, so you went for lunch and dinner.

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Speaker 2: Like there's a couple of rounds because you went to

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Speaker 2: other people's homes.

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Speaker 1: Oh, ours is at Grandpa's. It's at noon, right, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll go back to my dad's and we'll all

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Speaker 1: complain that we're hungry and then.

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Speaker 2: And then eat again. That's the point I'm making is

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Speaker 2: that it always, at least where I'm from, it started

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Speaker 2: at noon and then you would go visit everybody and

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Speaker 2: eat again. It was like two dinners in one day.

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Speaker 1: Lots of pies, lots of tree and pie. I'm more

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Speaker 1: of like a cobbler person.

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Speaker 2: I love cobbler, cherry peach, any kind of cobbler. App

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love a cobbler. That's what I

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Speaker 2: need to have done today.

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Speaker 1: You need to figure out a cop no where they

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Speaker 1: actually have really good cobblers.

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Speaker 2: Tell me really, yeah, okay, right next to my house.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll zip into there and you'll get yourself a

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Speaker 1: good cobbler. Really yeah, ok really good cobblers, really good cakes.

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Speaker 1: But I love that you're hosting. I know, will you

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Speaker 1: get dressed up or we'd be casual?

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Speaker 2: I will be I will not be dressed up because

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Speaker 2: I'll be working, but I'll be like polished. Does that

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Speaker 2: makes sense? Yeah, but not makeup. Just my hair will

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Speaker 2: be clean and blown out and I'll have on something decent,

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Speaker 2: but I will not.

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Speaker 1: Be like see, I'll probably be an alo soft close

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, everybody, you did a break, I mean

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Speaker 2: thanksgiving pass I think, all right, you know what, how

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Speaker 2: is your Bravo Con? Because you were working as much

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Speaker 2: or more than I was, Bravo.

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Speaker 1: Con was good. I didn't really have any complaints of

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Speaker 1: a Bravo Con. I thought I had some fun. There

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Speaker 1: were some emotional times of Bravo Con.

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Speaker 2: There was did you feel loved?

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Speaker 1: It's the first time I've been liked at Bravocon, so

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Speaker 1: it felt so strange to.

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Speaker 2: Me at No. Well, she received a standing ovation and

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Speaker 2: a lot of warmth. But you remember how you sat

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Speaker 2: here in this chair and you were like, I'm concerned

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Speaker 2: that I won't be able to read the teleprompter. That

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Speaker 2: it went. You did a beautiful job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You came alive, you really and I think that's something

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Speaker 2: that you know when I was watching some of your

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Speaker 2: pods back, just clips, and you were really vibrant, very present,

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Speaker 2: and so you did a great job.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. No, it was good. How

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Speaker 1: are you feeling about your Bravo Con? The beef?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that I had to squash the

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Speaker 2: beef coming. I didn't think it was going to be

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Speaker 1: But it was so you made me laugh with lou

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Speaker 1: Anne and you're like, no, nothing else I gotta say

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Speaker 2: Is nothing to say. Yeah, so what okay? Great? You

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Speaker 2: asked the question. I mean I got to asked a

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Speaker 2: lot of shady questions and it's my job to respond

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Speaker 2: in the way that you all want me to respond.

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Speaker 2: So stop.

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Speaker 1: So she picked somebody it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I Phaedra looked at me and she said,

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Speaker 2: somebody had to lose. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like when everybody was having a breakdown, it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: somebody had to lose. I got the question and I

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Speaker 2: didn't even All I said was I didn't like the

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Speaker 2: color because she's a pretty girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know, and she won enough the night before.

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Speaker 2: It's cares we all lose. This is part of the

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Speaker 2: If you can dish it, you can take it. If

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Speaker 2: Even like when you know said about Kyle Beving the

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Speaker 2: really sorry about t I said, it's your opinion. You're

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Speaker 2: allowed to do that. That's that's the game we're playing

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Speaker 2: up here. Everybody calmed down.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like that's the second time he's done that.

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Speaker 2: No, but you know what he said, I have to

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Speaker 2: stand by it. Yeah, he's like I said it before,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it again. You know, this is how

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Speaker 2: simply his opinion. This is what we get paid to do,

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Speaker 2: and that's the that's the name of the game. We're

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any tough run ins? Like, was there

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Speaker 1: anybody that was kind of rude to?

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Speaker 2: First of all? No, And number two, I don't care

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Speaker 2: because everybody's stressed out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not everybody.

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Speaker 2: Has the time to be as gracious as you would

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Speaker 2: want them to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a time where we all got back we

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Speaker 2: We were at the Mandal. Yeah, we got dropped off

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Speaker 2: at the wrong thing. It's a whole bus load of us,

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Speaker 2: and it was just all bitching.

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Speaker 1: And we're all just yelling out. Finally, somebody like yells

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Speaker 2: I mean as much as like it. You know, we're

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Speaker 2: we had nine hours ahead of time. So listen, you know,

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Speaker 2: we figured it out.

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Speaker 1: We figured it out.

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Speaker 2: So you watched the premiere. I watched the premiere of

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Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. What's your honest opinion?

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Speaker 1: You would kind of felt like a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 1: What what I know? I don't want you to feel frightened.

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Speaker 1: I felt like fresh air. Tell me, how are you

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Speaker 1: feeling with the premiere coming up? Because I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I feel fine. Listen this season h weird. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: I'll just leave it there. Okay, I was feeling weird.

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Speaker 2: Sh it's getting weird.

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Speaker 1: It's getting shit's getting weird.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting into the reunion. I almost feel like

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Speaker 1: we don't even need to like look at our notes

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Speaker 1: because it's all the same things.

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Speaker 2: But well, okay, what do you do think? I watched

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Speaker 2: two and three? Yeah, I just wanted to say that,

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Speaker 2: like where was the Matt bomb? Like I wanted more

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Speaker 2: from Matt.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you said? Because I didn't. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: able to do two with you.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said. I was waiting for Matt to

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Speaker 1: bring it and like drop this bomb, and there was

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Speaker 1: never happened. It never happened. There was no there was

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Speaker 1: no timeline, there was no nothing.

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Speaker 2: It was a little underwhelming.

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Speaker 1: It was more just him seeming like one of the ladies,

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Speaker 1: like getting Caddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't like Aaron Scary, but he was Caddy.

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Speaker 1: That's not true.

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Speaker 2: And look, here's the thing we're dealing with, how I

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Speaker 2: But is it private because I'm liking these accounts? Do

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Speaker 1: But you could see mindlessly liking a picture.

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Speaker 2: That's right or something that once or twice or something

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Andy, the women, and especially howther

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Speaker 2: Well then yeah, I mean, what do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: But are you shocked that this is what she got

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Speaker 2: No, I well said, I don't want to watch it either.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about naked wasted, I don't care about

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Speaker 2: I don't as a viewer, like, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't. To me, it just felt so.

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Speaker 2: It felt ugly, It felt yucky.

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Speaker 2: Tamra doesn't look good, Gretchen doesn't look good, none of

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Speaker 1: The fans are unhappy.

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Speaker 2: Well, Gina was the only one that kind of spoke

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Speaker 2: That, Well, you're not, and you need to. I don't

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Speaker 2: like this sort of anonymous accuser. If you've got something

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Speaker 2: It's just it's I don't like any of this.

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Speaker 1: And you could tell Tamra was genuinely like hurt about this,

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Speaker 1: I would never do this. And in this instant, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked very upset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would be too.

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Speaker 2: Very very upset. I would come include. Yeah, that's my opinion.

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Speaker 2: I don't like this exchange at Oh it's ugly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what happens. That's when everything becomes online,

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Speaker 1: and it's not about what we're actually dealing with. It's

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Speaker 2: And that's what Heather was saying, Yeah, is that this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and why should any of us believe some random

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Speaker 2: Well, look, a paid analyst or a paid expert is

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Speaker 1: Oh. Also, I watched another light detector test on Secret

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Speaker 2: Why pired of that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But it was a completely different experience. Why the person

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Speaker 1: He's happy to show his face to do this, like

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Speaker 1: it's all stuff that it's just so I want to

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Speaker 1: But I'm happy Vicky is back because I think Vicky

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Speaker 1: It's like who's the biggest asshole?

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Speaker 2: But well, who's the biggest asshole? And then who do

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Speaker 1: There's no proof here.

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Speaker 2: There's now for either side. This one's gonna say that,

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Speaker 2: You know the least, I don't know. I just didn't

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Speaker 2: Oh well, here's the thing. You're never going to catch

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Speaker 1: All of the numbers. But the anonymous caller knew Shannon

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Speaker 2: This is apparently, which Andy ten if I were late,

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Speaker 1: I know, but then show us the anonymous person and

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Speaker 2: Why don't you just say who the fuck it is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this way it just looks like it's unfair,

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Speaker 1: the season, when we're waiting for all these different reveals

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Speaker 1: and all of these different things, it didn't come. It

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Speaker 1: never came. It never came.

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Speaker 2: I also wonder, how do you go forward here?

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Speaker 1: Well, I want, like, in your opinion, who's gone? Who's

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Speaker 1: going now?

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Speaker 2: That well, I think you're going to keep your trace

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Speaker 2: amigas right, Yeah, so those three will be there. I

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Speaker 2: think Heather will stay, yeah, and then you have Gina

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Speaker 2: Jen I think Emily will stay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Katie makes it.

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Speaker 1: No, I think Katie's gone.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Katie makes it. How many do theys?

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Speaker 1: And then I think that Gretchen has gone too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that Gretchen has gone as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way I kind of look at.

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Speaker 2: It, almost like an Alexis situation.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they would bring back Alexis? No, I

458
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Speaker 1: don't think so either. No. Yeah, I think they're just.

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Speaker 2: To their legacy players to really revive.

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Speaker 1: Because it's twenty years right, and it has to be good.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to hear about twenty year old beef.

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Speaker 1: No fresh lady, fresh fights. We want fresh fights.

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Speaker 2: I want fresh present day conflict. Please do not refer

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Speaker 2: back to fifteen years ago. We don't look very different,

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Speaker 2: myself included. I'm not shading.

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Speaker 1: No, we don't want to see so much of the past.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like I left wanting something that I

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Speaker 2: didn't get and I know that happens. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that. You know, the anonymous shit is just I mean,

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Speaker 2: do we do we respond to this DM?

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that somebody took the time to

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Speaker 1: not just DM, to CAMEO send us it and then

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Speaker 1: we have to write back. I don't know we could respond,

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Speaker 1: but do we care.

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Speaker 2: No, that's the other thing we don't.

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Speaker 1: I just feel bad for fans watching.

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Speaker 2: See this is really where it's at. What has been

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Speaker 2: the response.

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Speaker 1: People are annoyed, people are frustrated. People wanted answers. There's

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Speaker 1: no answers. Now we're just left two open ended things

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Speaker 1: that haven't been dealt with that I don't care about

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Speaker 1: them being dealt with at this point. I don't either, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just want to start fresh.

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Speaker 2: So, knowing that Vicky's coming back for the next season,

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Speaker 2: what do you think should happen? What would be your

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Speaker 2: casting exactly?

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Speaker 1: What yours would be? I would just take those two

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Speaker 1: away and then just keep in everybody else and then

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Speaker 1: just go for it. And I think that things would change.

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Speaker 1: I think the dynamics would change.

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Speaker 2: Did you enjoy your podcast with VICKI.

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Speaker 1: She made me laugh good, multiple times.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she realizes she's making you laugh,

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Speaker 1: but she.

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Speaker 2: Does, right. But it was good between the two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're totally fine between the two of us. Great,

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy she's back. When she slept with her

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Speaker 1: orange and like took a picture, I thought it was cute,

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Speaker 1: like all of it, Like there was no and I

501
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Speaker 1: never had real issue Viggie. Viggie had an issue with me,

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Speaker 1: and then it just spiraled, you know, back and forth

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Speaker 1: via social media pettiness.

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Speaker 2: Right, which is actually what we're talking about in this

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Speaker 2: entire thing.

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Speaker 1: Which could just be handled on social media or impressed.

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Speaker 1: It never needs to be.

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Speaker 2: On the show, or how about just pick up the phone.

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00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unnecessary. It's completely unnecessary because now we're stuck

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Speaker 1: here talking about something in circles because they gave us nothing.

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Speaker 2: Well they talked in circles. Yeah, they gave us something

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Speaker 2: that we can't resolve. Yeah, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what I looked at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Open ended and someone could say, well, this could continue on,

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Speaker 2: but nobody wants it to. I don't want to women,

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Speaker 2: Well the audience doesn't, and I can guarantee you the

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Speaker 2: women don't either.

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Speaker 1: And I'm most surely don't even care what the what

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Speaker 1: the answer is, even if somebody is a cyber analyst

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I don't care. Yeah, don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I hate that we have to wrap it

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Speaker 2: up like that, because you know, here's the thing. Everybody

524
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Speaker 2: works really hard to make a show and to be entertaining.

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00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: But this shit got out of control with the content creators,

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Speaker 2: the bloggers, the onlines, and the you know.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully less are learned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, just keep it amongst yourselves and stop trying

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 1: You think this was a wake up call to production

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Speaker 1: to kind of be like, Okay, nobody cares about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: We've got to stop it before it goes down this Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me too.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it would make a more look

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Speaker 2: we use this. We throw this word authentic, right, authentic

536
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: show around this, you know, authentic word. But it would

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Speaker 2: help to keep the story in house and keep it on.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's one thing to comment here and there,

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Speaker 2: but you know, like I can't even tell you what's

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Speaker 2: going on. You don't know what happened this season. No,

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Speaker 2: I can't Beverly Hills because I didn't fucking tell you. Yeah,

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00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, like I told you a cute a couple

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Speaker 2: of cute things that maybe you'd like, you know, oh

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Speaker 2: my god. But I'm not over here like laying it

545
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Speaker 2: out for you, like planning seeds, like help me out girling.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm not sitting there talking about voice. Erica

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Speaker 1: told me she had lunch with bows, right, No.

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Speaker 2: Erica will tell you straight out. I had lunch with

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Speaker 2: bows and this is what was said.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well, thanks for tuning in to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Diamonds and the Rough guys. I ohci's got

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Speaker 1: to bring it next season. They've got big shoes to fill.

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Speaker 2: Well. I would just like to say this has been

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Speaker 2: my second season doing this with you. I loved it

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Speaker 2: very much. I'm kind of sad that we have to

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Speaker 2: wrap this up on this tide of uneventful moment, but

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: We'll find some other ship to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We'll find some other ship to talk about. I need

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Speaker 2: I mean, do we need closure. No, I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: We don't need it. I don't need the answers. I

562
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Speaker 1: just needed to get better.

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Speaker 2: Teddy needs it to get better. My name is Erika

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Speaker 2: Jane and this is Diamonds in the Wrap