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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A desperate search is on for a beautiful young, twenty

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Speaker 2: one year old Texas woman who seemingly disappeared into thin

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Speaker 2: air without her phone or her car. Where is Madeline?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us here at Fox Nation in serious XM

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Speaker 2: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our friends.

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Speaker 2: A kW ees.

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Speaker 3: Search continues for a twenty one year old Midland woman,

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Speaker 3: Madeleine Amaline Panhoa. She was last seen on Wednesday around

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Speaker 3: eleven PM at seventeen eleven West Francis. There's still no

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Speaker 3: word on what she was last wearing, but her phone

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Speaker 3: and car there were left at her apartment. If you

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Speaker 3: have any information on Madeleine's whereabouts, you can call the

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Speaker 3: Midland Police Department at four three two six eight seven

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Speaker 3: to one zero eight.

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Speaker 4: It's a nightmare for any family having no idea where

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Speaker 4: your loved one is, and the Pandoha family says they

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Speaker 4: have no new information on where Madeleine is. Madeleine's father, Roberto,

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Speaker 4: is just desperate to have his daughter back and safe.

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Speaker 5: It's something that we don't wish this on anybody. We

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Speaker 5: never thought this was gonna happen to her family.

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Speaker 4: Madeline Pandeau Hall was last seen at her apartment complex

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Speaker 4: on May tenth, Thursday at one thirty.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'm taking a look at her right now. She

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Speaker 2: looks like a beauty queen, and of course that's neither

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Speaker 6: But I'm wondering.

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Speaker 2: Who has seen her, because I would remember this face anywhere.

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Speaker 2: She's absolutely stunning. Where is Madeleine? I mean it, I'll

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Speaker 2: start panel to make sense of what we know right now,

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Speaker 2: but I find it very, very disturbing right off the

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Speaker 2: top that she's missing without her cell phone. Now, this

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Speaker 2: is a twenty one year old girl and young woman,

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Speaker 2: and if my children are any example, or basically anybody

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Speaker 2: I know, and that includes all three of you sitting

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Speaker 2: here in the studio, nobody goes anywhere without their cell phone.

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Speaker 2: Before I go to our investigative reporter joining us from

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Speaker 2: km I, D TV and Odessa, that would be Rachel Hallam,

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 6: To go straight to Carla.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Carla Manley, clinical psychologists, author of Date Smart. Doctor Carla,

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Speaker 2: it's great to have you with us, and guys, you

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Speaker 2: can find her at doctor carlamanly dot com. Doctor Carla.

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Speaker 2: It's like our cell phones are an appendage. I often

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Speaker 2: think of I'm sure you've seen or read Harry Potters.

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Speaker 2: They ever go anywhere without their wand ever it's their lifeline.

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Speaker 6: Same thing with the phone. My children take their phone everywhere.

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Speaker 2: If they're in the back of the house and they

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Speaker 2: come up to the front for a glass of milk,

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Speaker 2: they bring their phone. I'm like, what do you think

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Speaker 2: is going to happen? You're gonna get a call from

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Speaker 2: the White House? Why do you have to have your

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Speaker 2: phone with you at all times? But I really, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't have a leg to stand on. I do the

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Speaker 2: same thing. That is, I'm leading up to a point

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Speaker 2: rather circuitously. I find it disturbed me she doesn't have

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, our cell phones, for so many of us had

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Speaker 7: become a security blanket. So if she'd left her home

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Speaker 7: without her cell phone, either she left who knows, maybe

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Speaker 7: just for a minute and intended to go back. But

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Speaker 7: to leave your home for what over a week now,

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Speaker 2: Fine let's go straight to Rachel Hallam, investigative reporter km

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Speaker 2: I DTV Odessa. Rachel, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: with us. Tell me where was her car and set?

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Speaker 2: Where were her car and cell phone found?

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Speaker 8: So, I mean, what we've been told is that her

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Speaker 8: Distance from downtown Midland, about five minutes. I know that

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Speaker 2: we all know, is in Western Texas. It's an oil

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Speaker 2: that's a relatively small town. I came from one much

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Speaker 6: At the time.

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Speaker 2: Out in the middle of all you could see are

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Speaker 2: where I came from. But still, when you're thinking about

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what you said that it's about five

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Rachel, Yes.

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Speaker 8: Sam, it's about five minutes driver walk right.

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Speaker 6: Drive, Okay, So that's significant.

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Speaker 2: It's not like she got thrown in the car at

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Speaker 2: a red light a busy intersection in downtown Midland.

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Speaker 6: She is out in a more residential area.

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Speaker 2: But then also you said the apartment backs up on

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Speaker 2: a very busy Is it an interstate.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so it connects to Garfield, which connects to I twenty,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I twenty guess all the way across the

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Speaker 2: country to the eastern seaboard. Okay, let me bring in

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Speaker 2: Dorian Bond, guys, former Arizona detective, private detective, owner of

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Speaker 2: Bond Investigations in Dallas, and I'd like to point out

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Speaker 2: that's the largest African American owned PI firm in the country,

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Speaker 2: licensed forty two states. Long story short, you can find

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Speaker 2: them in Bond investigations dot com. Dorian Bond has looked

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Speaker 2: for people. Let me tell you that the reason I'm

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Speaker 2: concerned about it, first of all, being a suburban area.

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Speaker 2: That's good as far as trying to find a suspect

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Speaker 2: that may have taken her, because it's less likely she's

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Speaker 2: you know, carjacked and taken or kidnapped, grabbed off a

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Speaker 6: But backing into I twenty, that's.

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Speaker 2: A whole nother animal, Dori, and I'll tell you why

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Speaker 2: this gives me. Okay, I just felt it. It gives

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Speaker 2: think about Shasta and Dylan GRONI I use them as

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Speaker 2: the perfect example, Dorian Dorian, that was a little girl

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Speaker 2: if you look down on an aerial, which I did

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Speaker 2: a kidnapped from their home, you seeing but green. You

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Speaker 2: don't even see their house, And you think, how did

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Speaker 2: somebody find these two children to kidnap them? Unless they

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Speaker 2: were a local. You'd have to be local to find

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Speaker 2: that place, right wrong. A guy on the interstate, Dorian

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Speaker 2: Pool went and killed the whole family and took the children,

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Speaker 2: later killed the little boy Shasta lived. So you're not

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, when you're close to an interstate like that,

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Speaker 9: and yes, you can see middlands close to the border

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Speaker 9: of Mexico, when they if somebody disappears, the first thing

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Speaker 9: there you look at is look for their phone.

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Speaker 6: I don't like that at all.

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Speaker 2: Close to the border of Mexico. Nothing good is happening there.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, Dorian, Yeah, and when the first thing you

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Speaker 9: look at when you're starting investigations, you look for the

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Speaker 9: person's phone. The fact that her phone was left there

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Speaker 9: is going to first teach tell me that it's deliberate.

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Speaker 9: Then we're going to then we're also go to look

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Speaker 9: last few text messages of who she texted, because that's

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Speaker 9: going to be the key. But the fact that her

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Speaker 9: But you know, there's always going to be problems going

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Speaker 9: through Apple trying to get to a phone. It's an iPhone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully somebody can crack it. Like I know everybody

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Speaker 2: probably know her code. Guys, joining me right now is

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. It's one of Madlin's dearest friends.

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Speaker 2: She showed up at Mallin's apartment when Madelin didn't answer

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Speaker 2: the Jasmine Hernandez is with us, But first I want

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Speaker 10: After a night out with friends, Madeline Pentojas stopped responding

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Speaker 10: to text and phone calls. One of Pentohas's siblings went

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Speaker 10: one answered. Midland police were called. Officers broke in and

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Speaker 10: found Pentoha's phone, keys, and her dog inside. Her car

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Speaker 2: Was that Madeline? Was she fighting someone off? If so,

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Speaker 2: why didn't the neighbor call nine to one one? And

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Speaker 2: what do we know about a mystery truck peeling off?

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Speaker 2: Could she have been in the truck?

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I want to go straight to Jasmine Hernandez, very dear

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Speaker 2: friend of Madeline's. Jasmine, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: What led you to go over to Madeline's apartment looking

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Speaker 11: Hi? Yes, ma'am, So we had some plans that following

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Speaker 11: day and so she was answering her phone, and I

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Speaker 11: have her location on my phone, and I noticed about

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Speaker 11: her location without her apartment all day. And it's very

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Speaker 11: unlike her to cancel plans, to just not respond. And

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Speaker 11: she texts me every day, so I know when something's wrong.

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Speaker 11: I know when I need to show up to make

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Speaker 11: sure she's okay. So I showed up and sure enough,

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Speaker 11: she wasn't in there, and the rest of our stuff

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Speaker 11: was in there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was a lot of information, guys. With me

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Speaker 2: is a very dear friend of Madeline's. For those of

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Speaker 2: you just joining us, a beautiful young twenty one year

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Speaker 2: old Texas girl.

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Speaker 6: Seemingly has vanished into thin air.

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Speaker 2: If you have any inform about Madeleine Pintoha four three

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Speaker 2: and with me the dear friend that goes to find

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Speaker 2: out Madeline's not there. Now, I think you said, Jasmine

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Speaker 2: that you have her on your location.

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Speaker 2: What were your plans for the next day, what were

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Speaker 11: Yes them. So I showed up around six forty five pm,

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Speaker 11: I just had a really bad gut feeling, and I

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Speaker 6: Gut when you say that gut feeling. What did it

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Speaker 6: Okay, guess what I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: If someone's phone dies, their location is no longer trackable.

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Speaker 6: I guess when their phone dies, you can't track. But

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Speaker 2: Say my daughter's phone goes dead all the time. It says,

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Speaker 2: give you that much, Okay, Jasmine, You know what I

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Speaker 6: So you leave. Did you go get in your car?

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Speaker 11: I got in my car. I drove down the street.

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Speaker 6: Wow, you are a loyal friend.

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Speaker 2: So you've been out there, baman on the door, ringing

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Speaker 11: Still no answer to the door. And that's when I

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Speaker 2: Hey, tell me about her apartment, please, Jasmine, can you

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Speaker 11: Yes, maam, So it is on the third floor, and

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Speaker 6: A crack where at the top.

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Speaker 2: So by then you know it's seven seven thirty. Is

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Speaker 11: Not quite yet, It gets dark baby around eight nine ish.

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Speaker 2: But you could see a light was on inside, and

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Speaker 6: And did you see your car?

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Speaker 11: Her car was there. It was parked in the parking lot.

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Speaker 6: What kind of car is it.

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Speaker 11: It's a kind of like a dark blue Mazda.

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Speaker 2: So then what do you do? You call her brother

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Speaker 11: So he joins me and tries to continue knocking on

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Speaker 11: where we found all of her belongings. Her purse, her phone,

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Speaker 11: her keys, everything was there. Her phone was between the couch,

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Speaker 2: Well, phone was where between the couch, you mean in

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Speaker 2: the cushions. Yes, the couch cushion down in the cushions. Interesting, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: it fell down in there. Where on the sofa was it?

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, phone in the cushions.

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Speaker 2: Purse, there was the balcony lot.

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Speaker 11: But she never lost your balcony.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, it was on the third floor.

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Speaker 11: The dog was there, dog named Luna.

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Speaker 2: After you find all of her stuff there, what did

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Speaker 11: We immediately got worried, and that's when we called the

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Speaker 11: start looking for us and figuring out what to do.

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Speaker 2: Has she ever gone this long without contacting you?

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Speaker 11: No, she's never gone more than a couple hours without

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Speaker 6: How long have you known?

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Speaker 2: Madeline?

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Speaker 5: For?

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Speaker 11: About four and a half years.

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Speaker 6: Joining me right now is RV. Miller. You may recognize

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Speaker 2: He's a renowned criminal defense attorney with the Miller Firm.

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Speaker 2: You can see him on CBS WBBM. He is the

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Speaker 2: legal advisor to The Good Wife and The Good Fight

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Speaker 6: Here's the rub. She's twenty one years old.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to tell anybody you're going anywhere once

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Speaker 2: you are of a majority, and cops will say, well,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean she's missing, And they very often say, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's run off with their boyfriend. Some bs like that

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Speaker 2: because they know at that age forty one, you don't

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Speaker 2: have to answer to anybody. You can leave without your

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Speaker 2: cell phone. That's not a crime, right earth.

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Speaker 12: It's not a crime, but it's not typical, and that's

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Speaker 12: what the law enforcement agencies look for. What's not typical

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Speaker 12: the dog is still there, the car is still there.

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Speaker 12: You know, if I could just comment quickly about the location,

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Speaker 12: there's a big difference between what might happen in the

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Speaker 12: in the rural area of Middle Texas. You know, in Chicago,

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Speaker 12: on every bridge on the highway. There's license plate readers

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Speaker 12: on doorbells on every block. There's ring doorbells where you

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Speaker 12: can get pictures of what's going on. On street corners.

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Speaker 12: We have police pods with cameras on them to surveil

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Speaker 12: the area. None of that's going to be present in

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Speaker 2: You know what, You're right, it's going to make it

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Speaker 2: much more difficult. The best clue we've got right now

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Speaker 2: is a late night argument. I can't tell Rachel Hallam

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Speaker 8: From what I've been told, they could tell if there

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Speaker 6: Did they call nine one one?

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Speaker 8: Not? From what I've been told.

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Speaker 2: Now, the search is on, guys. Take a listen to

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Speaker 5: We've gone to lands over there, just empty lots loicking.

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Speaker 5: We've had people that we don't know searching with their drones.

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Speaker 5: They've sent them. They sent us the videos they send

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Speaker 5: us pictures of the of the Finnish day took. We've

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Speaker 5: had people offer horses to us so that we can search.

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Speaker 6: The family.

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Speaker 13: Just wanting to find Madeline as soon as possible.

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Speaker 5: All he wants to find his daughters.

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Speaker 4: If you have any information about Madeline's whereabouts, call MPD

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Speaker 4: at four three, two six eight, five, seven one zero eight.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Hallam joining US investigative reporter km I DTV in Odessa.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the search. What is being done to

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, like we just heard, there are so

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Speaker 8: But as of right now, of course, there's there's just

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to you, Dorian Bond, as well

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Speaker 2: as IRV Miller, to talk about what should be done

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Speaker 2: right now, what should be happening in the search for

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Speaker 6: What should be happening right now to find her?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm sure the police have already done this, But

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Speaker 9: Sometimes in people in apartment complexes, they have cameras that

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Speaker 9: look for red light cameras, look for local businesses that

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Speaker 9: Ran looking at see if they know if they have

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Speaker 9: You've got to move. You got to move to talking

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Speaker 6: I'm very curious about ring doorbells.

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Speaker 2: What do you know if anything about that, Rachel Hallam

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Speaker 8: of people have ring doorbells now. I mean, it wouldn't hurt,

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Speaker 8: obviously to see if anybody in that apartment complex had some.

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Speaker 8: We've had a lot of breakthroughs and package sets and

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Speaker 8: pettyfests like that, but I mean, it definitely would be

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Speaker 8: a possibility and a big help if they could have

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Speaker 8: anybody have an eye on.

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Speaker 2: That, Rachel or Jasmine, what is the name of our

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Speaker 2: apartment complex?

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Speaker 11: It is the Palladium Apartment.

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Speaker 2: There in Midland. They are And how big are those apartments? Jasmine?

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many people would live there?

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Speaker 11: I'm not quite sure, Rachel.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out if they have security cameras

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Speaker 2: at the entry the exit. When you look at the apartment,

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Speaker 2: anyone on the panel. Are there multiple entries and exits?

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Speaker 8: There is just the one entrance, and they should have

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Speaker 8: cameras right in the front. It is a pretty big

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Speaker 8: apartment complex, so there should be plenty of residents, and

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Speaker 8: there's a lot of buildings, so there should be some

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Speaker 8: cameras out there.

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Speaker 2: Also, there's a playground. Is that there a playground at Palladium? Well,

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Speaker 2: that tells me that they may very well have cameras.

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Speaker 6: Have any of you seen a camera there?

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Speaker 11: Yes, they do have cameras where they all over the apartment,

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Speaker 11: but they do not work. We've already contacted the management

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Speaker 11: and they have said that none of them work besides

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Speaker 11: the one entering the apartment to the gates, and that

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Speaker 11: one is only a life seed. It is a save

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Speaker 11: data according to the management.

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Speaker 6: Is this rachel or Jasmine?

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Speaker 2: This is justin You know what, IRV Miller? Do I

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Speaker 2: have to say the two words Chandra Levy? Did nobody

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Speaker 2: learn a darn thing? Remember when Chandra Levy went missing,

473
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Speaker 2: the DC intern from California that was having the affair

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Speaker 2: with the congressman Condit and she disappears.

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Speaker 6: We can't find her.

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Speaker 2: And she left her apartment just before she went missing,

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Speaker 2: but they rolled over it, they videoed over it in

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Speaker 2: the lobby, so you don't know if she left with somebody,

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Speaker 2: if someone had a gun in her bag under a

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Speaker 2: coat did. Was she dressed to go joggings? Was she

481
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Speaker 2: dressed out to go out to dinner? It would have

482
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Speaker 2: told us so much. That was the big deal. When

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Speaker 2: Chandra Levy went missing she was later found dead. She

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Speaker 2: had gone jogging, and I believe it was Rock Creek Park,

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Speaker 2: not far from where she lived. But how much more

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Speaker 2: quickly would we have looked there for her if we

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Speaker 2: could have seen her in her jogging outfit because that

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Speaker 2: was her jogging route, so irv.

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Speaker 6: Miller, you know what.

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Speaker 2: That is a huge, huge blonder for the apartment complex.

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Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, And you know in the case also goes

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Speaker 12: to prove that it's not always the typical suspect it

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Speaker 12: ends up being the bad guy. But the other thing

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Speaker 12: that I would suggest that the police should be doing

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Speaker 12: right away is checking financial accounts of hers to see

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Speaker 12: if there was any suspicious activity on her credit card,

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Speaker 12: to activity on any bank accounts that you use an ATM,

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Speaker 12: and perhaps there's you know, some of these ATM when

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Speaker 12: they're originally used as actually a photograph of the person

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Speaker 12: that is actually using the ATM. Those are things that

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Speaker 12: I think should also be doing rather quickly to try

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Speaker 12: to solve this one.

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Speaker 2: Are these Poladium apartments on La Mesa Road, Jasmine.

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Speaker 11: No, ma'am, there are two pladium apartments. This one is

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Speaker 11: across from the Horseshoe Arena.

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Speaker 6: It is often just yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that they don't have video cams

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Speaker 2: and the ones they do have are only a live feed.

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Speaker 2: They search for this young lady goes on. I mean,

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Speaker 2: once you look at her, you will never forget her face.

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Speaker 2: She is stunning. Guys, take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 10: It's been eight days since Madeline Panoha disappeared. Pentoha's father

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Speaker 10: says they are searching everywhere. People are using their drones

515
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Speaker 10: to cover land and empty lots quickly sending the family

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Speaker 10: videos pictures of the footage. The family has also had

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Speaker 10: offers of horses for searches. Madeline Panoha is approximately five

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Speaker 10: feet four inches tall and one hundred and thirty pounds,

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Speaker 10: with long, dark hair. She has two butterfly tattoos behind

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Speaker 10: her right ear and a tattoo of a snake on

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Speaker 10: her right arm.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that is helpful. That's very distinctive. Tell me about

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Speaker 2: the genesis, the regenda. Those tattoos, Jasmine, her Nandez. What

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Speaker 2: did they mean the butterfly tattoos?

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Speaker 11: So she actually has the matching butterfly tattoo with another

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Speaker 11: friend of hers and the snake. She was so anxious

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Speaker 11: to get her first tattoo, she just chose whatever she

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Speaker 11: wanted to at the tattoo shop.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about her personality, Jasmine, She's really bubbly.

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Speaker 11: She's such a girl's girl. She's so sweet. It's honestly

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Speaker 11: really disappointing that all of this happened to her. She

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Speaker 11: really doesn't deserve any of this.

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Speaker 6: What does she do for a living, Jasmine?

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Speaker 11: So she actually works with me. We bartend at Clear

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Speaker 11: Springs Cafe and we work there together.

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Speaker 6: Dorian Bond.

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Speaker 2: That opens up a whole cornucopia of possibilities, a real

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Speaker 2: Pandora's box. How do we know that someone didn't spot

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Speaker 2: her as a bartender, follow her, stalk her, get obsessed

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Speaker 2: with her. It happens a lot, Dorian.

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Speaker 9: It does happen a lot. And I know a lot

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Speaker 9: of bars have implemented that when the bartenders do lead

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Speaker 9: that somebody usually security walks them to the car. But

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Speaker 9: not only walks them to the car, but they also

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Speaker 9: watch to make sure if any vehicles follow them before

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Speaker 9: they leave, and see exactly if how many vehicles departed

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Speaker 9: the area right when the bartenders left, because that's an

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Speaker 9: extra layer of security. Because that's the one problem that

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Speaker 9: we've started noticing a lot of people go to bars

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Speaker 9: and they fall in love with the bartender because barts

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Speaker 9: being nice, which usually bartenders are nice because they're looking

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Speaker 9: for a tip, and so some people take that niceness

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00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 9: the wrong way and then they fall them home and

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Speaker 9: do have problems like that across the country.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Carl and Manly, clinical psychologist, author

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Speaker 2: of Date Smart, Transform Your Relationships and Love Fearlessly. Doctor Carl,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Ever know, I can't

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Speaker 2: tell you how many cases that I have personally investigated

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Speaker 2: where a woman works at a restaurant, a bar, as

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Speaker 2: the hostess at even upscale restaurants. It's not limited to

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Speaker 2: any particular echelon women that work at hotels or in

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Speaker 2: really in any people industry where you have to meet

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Speaker 2: people as part of your job, and there's always a

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Speaker 2: weirdo out there.

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Speaker 6: There always is.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're at the Ritz Carlton, or

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Speaker 2: if you're at the worst bar in town, there's always

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Speaker 2: going to be a weirdo that locks in on you,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Carla.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And when you're in a public facing position like

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Speaker 7: being a bartender, it is so difficult because then there's

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Speaker 7: the added element where people, some people who don't have

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Speaker 7: very high emotional intelligence. You are also a commodity and

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Speaker 7: that can be a real draw for someone who isn't a.

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Speaker 8: Found mental health.

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Speaker 2: The family is suffering. Take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 13: Would not expect this to happen to someone they love,

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Speaker 13: and for friends and family of Madeline, that is exactly

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Speaker 13: the case.

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Speaker 2: Just you was so loving and like goofy carrying.

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Speaker 14: It was like who would have thought anyone could hurt

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Speaker 14: thinks such as sweet fool like that.

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Speaker 13: Overall, they just hope that if she is watching, they

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Speaker 13: have so much they want her to know.

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Speaker 4: Please, don't like yourself, are your cream, You always be

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Speaker 4: real and no matter what what you're trying, there's.

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Speaker 6: So many people looking for you. There's so many people

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Speaker 6: that just wants you.

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Speaker 14: Bet you're not alone and not going to stop looking

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Speaker 14: to We have a response.

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Speaker 9: We will find you.

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Speaker 6: We will give.

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Speaker 2: Up and our cut twenty our friends at New's West nine.

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Speaker 14: The days have just been all mush together, honestly because.

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Speaker 6: We've just been doing the same thing.

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Speaker 15: We've just been reaching out to whoever we can reach

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Speaker 15: out to, looking in the lands, fields and everywhere we

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Speaker 15: can look for her.

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Speaker 14: So I have the best word right now. It's just

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Speaker 14: heartbroken because we feel hopeless. There's nothing that we can do,

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Speaker 14: like a side of our hands and be searched everywhere.

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Speaker 15: We passed out fires everywhere. If you're watching this, Maddie,

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Speaker 15: just be strong. We're coming to get you and we're

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Speaker 15: trying our hardest to find you. Just stay strong and

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Speaker 15: we will stay strong too.

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Speaker 14: We just hope that you're safe and you're alive, and

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Speaker 14: that at the end of this year, at the end

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Speaker 14: of this you're the light at the end of the

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Speaker 14: funnel after all of this, and we won't stop searching ever.

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Speaker 2: Family and friends doing everything they can to help police

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Speaker 2: flow missing mattline Rachel Howim joining US investigative reporter Kmida,

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Speaker 2: who's been on the story from the very beginning, and.

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Speaker 6: That's gotten to be a horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 2: Scenario for her friends out digging through landfills trying to

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Speaker 2: find her. What can you tell me about the identity

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Speaker 2: of the man we believe was having an argument around

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Speaker 2: one am that morning at her or near her apartment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so what I've.

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Speaker 8: Been told is that he was an ex boyfriend of

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Speaker 8: Madeline and they were having an argument, like we had mentioned,

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Speaker 8: outside of their apartment and inside their apartment. They had

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Speaker 8: been living together for a while but recently had broken up,

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Speaker 8: and he still had a key to her apartment and

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Speaker 8: told friends that he didn't have a key, but that

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Speaker 8: they told me that they knew he had a key,

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Speaker 8: and he was probably one of the only options about

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Speaker 8: only options to get into her apartment. Luckily the maintenance

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Speaker 8: and we had talked about help them get in there,

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Speaker 8: but they know that he had a key to her apartment.

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Speaker 2: Still, Jas and Hernandez, how long had they been broken up?

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Speaker 11: I want to say for about a month.

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Speaker 2: Let me guess she broke up with him, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: Was he angry about the breakup, yes.

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Speaker 11: Bam, more so upset and sad, just trying to get

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Speaker 11: her back any way he.

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Speaker 2: Could, really, any way he could, like what was he

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Speaker 2: doing to try to get her back?

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Speaker 11: Sometimes he would just send flowers to her apartit randomly,

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Speaker 11: but she would continually say that she did not want

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Speaker 11: to get back with him and that she was better

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Speaker 11: off by herself.

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Speaker 6: Why did she break up with him?

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Speaker 11: Honestly, he just wasn't very good of a person in

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Speaker 11: set and out. He just wasn't very very good and

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Speaker 11: she deserved more than what he had to offer her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean? Did he neglect her? Was

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Speaker 2: he rude to her? Was he abusive to her? Why

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Speaker 2: did she break up with him? What does she tell

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Speaker 2: you as to why she broke up?

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Speaker 11: She told me that he cheated on her with someone, So, yeah,

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Speaker 11: that's the reason for the breakup. She didn't really go

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Speaker 11: into detail, but we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know that that's true or whether she thought that

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Speaker 2: it happened and it did or did not happen. But

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Speaker 2: that's the reason she gave for breaking up, you know,

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Speaker 2: IRV Miller, the fact that she was in the midst

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Speaker 2: of an argument with the boyfriend, an ex boyfriend that

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Speaker 2: she had broken up with, is very disturbing.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's very disturbing, and it's a typical scenario that

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Speaker 12: could lead to the end of a relationship, and in

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Speaker 12: that very good manner. Hopefully that's not true in this

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Speaker 12: particular case, but it's certainly a focus for the police

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Speaker 12: to start looking at this person as a politential suspect.

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Speaker 12: I a would imagine at this point in time that

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Speaker 12: the police have attempted to gain access through whatever phone

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Speaker 12: company cell phone company he has to try to get

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Speaker 12: a little information off of where he's been in the

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Speaker 12: hours and days after she was discovered missing, and trying

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Speaker 12: to eventually get a hold of his cell phone to

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Speaker 12: get that GPS information that is always very helpful that

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Speaker 12: you're a cell phone collects for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, IRV Miller, and whether he is or is not

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Speaker 2: a person of interest, he still needs to be pained

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Speaker 2: all of his movements. Rachel Hollum, was he absolutely identified

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Speaker 2: as the person arguing at her home?

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Speaker 8: I now know, I mean, there's just a lot of

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Speaker 8: rumors that are going around social media. I know that

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Speaker 8: his name is kind of being dragged around as well,

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Speaker 8: But we have no confirmation from police of any sort

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Speaker 8: of identification for the person arguing with Madeline.

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Speaker 6: So it may or may not have been him.

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Speaker 2: Quick question, Jasmine Hernandez, did Madelon have a ring, doorbell

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Speaker 2: or any kind of security video.

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Speaker 6: At her home.

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Speaker 11: No, ma'am, she did not have.

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Speaker 2: Any rachel or Jasmine. Do we know if the ex

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Speaker 2: is cooperating with police?

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Speaker 8: From what I've seen, he is not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's not a good sign, but it is

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Speaker 2: not completely probative either.

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Speaker 6: So Doria Bond, well, i'd look at it.

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Speaker 9: We're gonna have to track him down, look at his

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Speaker 9: cell phone. We're going to have to talk to family members,

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Speaker 9: see where exactly he has been looking at to see

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Speaker 9: if he's got a passport, has he been back and

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Speaker 9: forth to Mexico. There's lots of different steps. I'm sure

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Speaker 9: they're probably pursuing. It's just once he gets into the mix,

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Speaker 9: that's a whole different story in and my main thing

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Speaker 9: is talking to his friends, and then I'm tracking his

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Speaker 9: cell phone right.

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Speaker 2: Now, absolutely, And you don't need him to cooperate to

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Speaker 2: track his cell phone or to find his friends, or

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Speaker 2: to put him under surveillance or to put a GPS

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Speaker 2: tracker on his car. I hope he hears this and cooperates.

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Speaker 2: If you love her and you want her back, now

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Speaker 2: it's time to prove it. Tip line is four three,

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Speaker 2: two six eight five seven one.

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Speaker 6: Zero eight, where is Maddie. Goodbye friend,