1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You know, I watched the show now and I think 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: about people who can't watch the show because they can't 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: watch the show and not think about everything else. And 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, obviously that's not my experience, but that's gotta 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: suck for those people. And then it just it also 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: sucks because you know, it's such a wonderful show. Can't 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: give everything away. But that was my guest, Malcolm Jamal Warner, 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: my childhood crush also known as c O on The 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Cosby Show, talking about Bill Cosby. We get into it 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: more after the break. Every champion and cavery champion is 11 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: to be a champion, a champion and carvery chap and 12 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: then carry chapion the champion and carry champion and carry 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: champion raiders, raiders and sports and entertaining can naked in 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: the world were vulnerable considered, We come and remove the 15 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: vail from entertainments elite. It's the difference tween with it's 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: real and with the public seats. So here's your favorite 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: celebrities behind the scenes. It's refreshing. Then the whole story 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: specific life all to rendevents to shape the person that 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: you here. We gotta champion, they carry champion. They girl, 20 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: you did it. It's the greatest of sports and entertainment 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Connaked with every champion they carry champions to be a champion, 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: the champion they carry Champion, They girl City Kow the 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Champion they carry Champion, they carry Champion. Raiders, Raiders and 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: sports and entertaining and Naked Wimer. Happy New Year. I 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: think I'm right under the fifteen day moratorium. You can 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: only say Happy New Year up until January fifteen. Who 27 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: made that up? I did? I Suppo was watching an 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, my favorite show, one of 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: my favorite shows and the and you can't say Happy 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: New Year in February. You barely can get away with 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: saying it at the end of January. But happy New Year, 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you for hanging in with us on Naked. 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: We have been on a bit of a break, as 34 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: you all have been, and I'm really excited to inform 35 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: you that the podcast is up and running and living 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: its best black life with great guests, great insight, um 37 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of freedom just to be naked and share. 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: I think I don't know about you all, but this 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: past holiday season was a little scary for me because 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: of the omicron. I was like, no, I'm not trying 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: to go outside. I felt myself wanting to be inside. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: But then I made peace with the fact. Whether you 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: want to believe this or not, this particular variant, as 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: the Black folks call it, the omarion, is very contagious, 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: but not as deadly, which is great in terms of 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: we're not losing people. But I've made peace with the 47 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: fact that COVID is just a part of I will 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: be a part of our lives for a while. I 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: made peace with that. I hope you have too, because 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do. You just got 51 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: to be responsible. And I think this is one of 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the first times in our world. Excuse me, that's not true. Uh, 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: this is arguably one of the first times where I 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: really feel like we are our brother's keepers. I mean, 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: we really have to be responsible. We have to make 56 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: sure that if we are going to hang out with 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: people that we are trying to be safe. Um, if 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna visit family and friends who are older and 59 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: more susceptible, we are trying to be safe. And we 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: gotta be honest about what we're doing. We can't be 61 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: out here in the streets and then tell people Oh no, 62 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: I don't think I have COVID. You haven't got tested, 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: have you? Or if you feel away, tell people, UM, 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: don't be embarrassed. There is no shame. If you have COVID, 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: call the people that you have seen and said, guess 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: what I have COVID. Um. That's the only way I think, 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: if we're honest about what this is, that we're gonna 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: be able to get this under control. Because, uh, I 69 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: tell you, I had to make peace with it. So 70 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: that was what my holiday season was about. I hope 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: you guys had a wonderful holiday, got all the things 72 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: that you wanted. Our s today, our guests today. Malcolm 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Jamal Warner. Yeah, I know Malcolm Jamal Warner. Now, if 74 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: you were like me, and I did mention this to him, 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: if you're like me, I had a hardcore crush on 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: THEO when he was on The Cosby Show. He was 77 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: everybody's boyfriend. He's fifty one years old now, but he 78 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: still looked like THEO from the Cosby Show. And here's 79 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: the even better news about Malcolm Jamal Warner. He is 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: truly solid. You often hear that child stars have all 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: these issues and they never come around, and they can't 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: settle themselves. And you've seen you've seen the horror stories 83 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: of child stars. Right. Uh. He literally grew up on 84 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: TV and he credits his parents, his mother, people around 85 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: him with that sensibility that helped him understand that you 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: need to be on a straight and narrow You can 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: see how he could go the other way in this 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: crazy town called Hollywood. He has a show now called 89 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: The Resident. I don't know if you guys watch it. 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: He loves it because he gets to play a jerk 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: and he's like, this is my favorite part. I'm a 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: doctor that's a jerk. Because he's naturally a good guy. 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: It sounds that way. I don't know him well, but 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: it seems that way, and so this is fun for him. Now, 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: let me not bury the lead. Let me just be 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: honest with you, guys. There's a generation of people right 97 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: now that I am friendly with that probably didn't understand 98 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: the significance of the Cosby Show. Right you, you young guns, 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: maybe in your twenties, didn't understand the significance of the 100 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Cosby Show. And I'm gonna be really serious for a moment, 101 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: for black people, it was life changing. For a little 102 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: girl like me. It was life changing to see Felicia Rashad, 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: who was an attorney on the show, right Theo's mom, 104 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Claire Huxtable giving you character names to watch her and 105 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: all her elegance, and I remember there was episode two 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: where she was speaking fluent Spanish. I was like, huhh done, 107 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: look at this beautiful black woman, elegant, smart, loving, a mother, 108 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: a wife. It it was foreign to me. It really 109 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: was not that my mother wasn't all of those things. 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: But this woman carried a certain geness, a quad that 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: everyone could just see and it leaped off the camera. 112 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: And then her husband was this amazing doctor and they 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: lived in this big house and their kids were great 114 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: and amazing, And in my mind, I was like, oh 115 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: the American dream that show for me. Describe the American 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: dream for black folks. Did you'll feel that way? So 117 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: you have to understand that when Bill Cosby went to 118 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: jail and all the stories come out about how he 119 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: was raping women, he would be holding them hostage and 120 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: he and these are all things that he was found 121 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: guilty of, he became sadly uh pariah And it then 122 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: changed the significance of the Cosmy show for an other generation. 123 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: But not for me. And I have to tell you 124 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: that because that image of seeing black excellence was first 125 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: really for me personified on the Cosby Show. I know 126 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: people feel a way about Bill and think away about 127 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: Bill Hell. I'm not going to supper and tell you 128 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: that I don't, but I do want you to understand. 129 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: On this episode we get into it. I don't go 130 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: too deep, but I asked him about Bill Cosby and 131 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: his relationship, and you have to understand that there is 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: nuance here and you can put things in different buckets 133 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: and they can be mutually exclusive, and two things can 134 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: be true at once. I hope that makes sense. We 135 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: start off talking to Malcolm Jamal Warner about his career, 136 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: about being a child star and how he was able 137 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: to survive. Welcome back from the holidays, and welcome to 138 00:07:53,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: this edition of Naked. Here's Malcolm Jamal Warner on stardom 139 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: when I was you know, when I was growing up 140 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: and during that whole time, there was so much of 141 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: that attention that I, uh, you know, I I just 142 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: took for granted like it's it's automatic, um. And it 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: was one of the things that that gave me a 144 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: very grounded perspective on the whole celebrity thing because I understood, well, 145 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: anyone who has a TV show out, a hit movie 146 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: or hot song, they're going to get this same reaction, 147 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: or they do get the same reaction from women. So 148 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: you know, I always kind of always kept in perspective 149 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: because I got okay, that goes along with the territory. Um. 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Whereas now though I still hope that as true. But 151 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a you know, because now I'm 152 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: dealing with you. I'm I'm I'm an adult. My A 153 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: lot of that fan base, um, you know are adults 154 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: as well, So it doesn't um my reception of it now, 155 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't take it as oh, just you know, it's 156 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: just a teenage fan thing. Like now I feel like 157 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: people who who watched my work and enjoy what I 158 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: do and have grown with me. It feels more substantive, 159 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You know. The reality is I 160 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: have been on television, uh since I was eleven years old. 161 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: You know, you know, I'm very conscious of the whole 162 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, um and and and especially 163 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: during that time when you know, it's it was the 164 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: norm for uh, a kid in this business who is 165 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: highly recognizable to just be off the chain and the 166 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: and and with that you have to go back to 167 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: the parents. Um. So I was very Look, there's a 168 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: lot of work I've done done myself, but I was 169 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: very fortunate to have really wonderful parents and a mother 170 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: who had no space to get caught up in the 171 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: trappings of of of of Hollywood, of trappings of success, 172 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: because her um, you know, her main thing was well 173 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: when this show was over, because this show can be 174 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: over next year. What are you gonna do? What are 175 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you gonna do? I put one of the response of 176 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: the parental responsibility on the parents, because a lot of 177 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: times the parent will live vicariously through the kid. Um. 178 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: So if the parent has gotten caught up and has 179 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: gone Hollywood, then there's no one there to give guidance 180 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: and direction to the kid. And I'd say in you know, 181 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I do not know of a case where the parents 182 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: uh did their one hundred percent parenting and the kids 183 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: still came out uh wayward. Kudos to those who helped 184 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: raise Malcolm, because the village that has kept him um 185 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: in the right frame of mind and obviously gainfully employed 186 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: in a very fickle town called Hollywood, has done an 187 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: amazing job. You know child stars you we've seen the stories, right, Um, 188 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: they don't last long, they overdose, they they turn into 189 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: people that can't get jobs because they've never really been 190 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: anything else but a child star, so they don't have 191 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: a skill set, I mean all of the things. And Malcolm, uh, 192 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: it's not that person. And I asked him about what 193 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: he learned about being a child star, and he said, 194 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, he learned a lot from Bill Cosby into 195 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: the two words that people don't like to say that 196 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: you can't mention in public. There are some people who 197 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: have been quote unquote canceled um. And there is, as 198 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, a generation of people who only know 199 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: Cosby as the subject of a highly highly publicized rape accusations. 200 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: You're right, I'm being a hard time even getting it out. 201 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be careful with my words. But the 202 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: reality is is that Bill Cosby has been accused by 203 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: famous and non famous women of basically giving them drugs, 204 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: drugging them and then raping them. Sexual battery, sexual misconduct. 205 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: All of these things have been talked about for years, 206 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: but quietly no one's really done anything about it. But 207 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: right around that, me too, movement. They were calling up 208 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: for seats and he was one of the people that 209 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: they went after, and as you will know, he went 210 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: to jail. He was in jail, however, got out on 211 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: a technicality because he was charged with a crime that 212 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been charged with. Right, I'm paraphrasing, and 213 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't know all the particulars, but I do know 214 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: that Bill Cosby, for many of you all, has become 215 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: a name that you can't say in public, or or 216 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: even say that you like the Cosby Show. When I 217 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: was growing up, the Cosby Show reruns will be on 218 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: all day long, right, and it was a thing of 219 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it was an honor. Did you 220 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: guys watch a Consbey show? Oh? You were a part 221 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: of the Cosby Show. Bill Cosby is a great man, 222 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Felicia is a great woman, all of the things. And 223 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: now it's tight. So I asked Malcolm, as I dance 224 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: around this with y'all, I asked, Malcolm, how does it 225 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: feel not to be able to talk to someone you 226 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: consider a mentor and someone who was pivotal in changing 227 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: your life. I've never said this publicly before. Um, it 228 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: fucking sucks, like it sucks like, I watch my daughter's 229 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: four and uh, you know, she's discovered the Cosby Show 230 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: or she she calls it Rudy's Family, and she knows 231 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: it's me. She's like, that's Papa, Like she knows it's me. 232 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: But she has no interest in THEO. She wants to 233 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: fast forward through my scenes so she can see Rudy 234 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: or Olivia. And it's so so one. It's very surreal 235 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: watching the show with my daughter, um, and being able 236 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: to now that I'm so far removed from the show, 237 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: be able to enjoy it as a viewer and not 238 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: judging or you know, critiquing my work. I can just 239 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: be a viewer and you know, and watch the show 240 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: from that perspective. Um. And so that's surreal in itself, 241 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: watching with my daughter. But you know, I watched the 242 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: show now and I think about people who can't watch 243 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: the show because they can't watch the show and not 244 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: think about everything else. And you know, obviously that's not 245 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: my experience, but that's gotta suck for those people. And 246 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: then it just it also sucks because you know, it's 247 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: such a wonderful show, it's such a you know, I 248 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: don't have to you know, I don't have to, you know, 249 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: say anything about the show. We all know what the 250 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: show is, so it sucks that m hm. You know, 251 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: for a lot of people experiencing the show doesn't have 252 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: the same experience. You know, I may, you know, if 253 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you know, whether it's whether it's an interview, 254 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm having a conversation with someone, and there might be 255 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: a you know, a story that comes up, like even 256 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, just you know, simply you know Mr Cosby 257 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: talking about it's a marathon, not a sprint, like those gems. 258 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: And often when I have those you know, when when 259 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I have those gyms or or are recall those gyms 260 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: in conversation, you know, I always credit the source you know, 261 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: from which I got it. So there was a time 262 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: where in conversations I would probably avoid, you know, either 263 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: giving the gym or you know, saying where I got 264 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: it from. Whereas now I don't really you know, I 265 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: don't care to avoid it because it takes too much 266 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: of my energy to tiptoe around something because I'm not 267 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: quite sure how this person is going to receive it. 268 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: At this point, I don't I don't care, like I 269 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: don't care what you you know, what your opinion is 270 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter, um, just like my opinion and 271 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: the day doesn't matter, you know. Um, So at this point, 272 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: it's just something. You know, it is what it is, 273 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: and you know I don't I don't shy away from it. 274 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't try to sweep under the rug. I don't 275 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: throw under the bus, I don't defend you know, it 276 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: is what it is, and we all know what it is. Yeah, 277 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and and if you want to have authentic conversations, you know, 278 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: then yeah, you have to. You have you can't tip 279 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: to around it. And then and then also it kind 280 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: of you know, for me, it kind of gets straight 281 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: to the point, like, you know, let's talk about this 282 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: topic so we can see where each other is and 283 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: we can we can move from there. Well, that had 284 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: to be tough, right, and it still has to be tough. 285 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: When this this, uh, the Cosby allegations became public and 286 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: it was well known to the world, um that Bill 287 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: Cosby was fighting for his life essentially and going to 288 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: jail ultimately. Um. Now, at least Malcolm has said it 289 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: over and over again. He was like, it's hard not 290 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: to say that the legacy of Bill Cosby and the 291 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Cosby Show has not been tarnished. That was one of 292 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: his responses. However, Rudy on the show said something really smart. 293 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: Keisha I Pullam when interviewed and talked about Bill Cosby, 294 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: she said, I'm gonna tell you why it's not tarnished. 295 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: And I'm paraphrasing what Bill Cosby did for HBC use 296 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: because they were always highlighted on The Cosby Show, and 297 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: what he did for the culture, and what images he presented, 298 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: true or false images he presented or always the gold standard. 299 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: They were always of black excellence in front of the camera, 300 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and so for that we do understand that there was 301 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: something special there. However, we are where we are today 302 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: and men can't be heroes. That's the way that I 303 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: feel about it. Men can't always be heroes men or 304 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: women in that sense. We're normal humans. We make mistakes, 305 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: we do things wrong, we commit egregious crimes, we have 306 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: evil hearts. The list goes on, and it's sad that 307 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: someone who was so well revered is now essentially in isolation, 308 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: shunned from society. And I quite frankly understand why, and 309 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: I understand why Malcolm still holds him in a different 310 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: space but he also knows that there was wrong that 311 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: was done. And that's why I was trying to tell 312 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: you the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but they 313 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: can be. Moving on to the pandemic, So we shoot 314 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: the resident in Atlanta, uh and UH normally over height. 315 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: So we'll shoot from July to April, and then normally 316 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: from you know, the end of April to you know, 317 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: beginning of July, we'll go back to l A and 318 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: be home. UM. So when the pandemic happened, our daughter 319 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: UH was two, you know, turning three, and with the 320 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: whole you know, the whole mass situation, the whole unknown, 321 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: we decided we were not gonna go back to Los 322 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: Angeles because it just didn't Neither one of us could 323 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: imagine trying to be on a four and a half 324 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: hour flight with a toddler who's not going to keep 325 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: a mask on and wants to touch everything and put 326 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: everything in their mouth. So we you know, s we 327 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: was gonna bite the bullet and stay in Atlanta. UM 328 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: and you know our you know, our friends, our family, 329 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: our life is in l A. So being in Atlanta 330 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: and you know, during this uh, you know, the whole 331 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: shutdown and quarantine situation. It gave the three of us, um, 332 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, just wonderful time to be together and be 333 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: a family. And you know, my daughter is used to 334 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: me going to work and being home all day. I mean, 335 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: you're being at work all day. So for her, she 336 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: was in sheer heaven because she had Mama and Papa 337 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: all day every day. So when she woke up at 338 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: seven thirty, bleary eye, saying, Papa, play with me. You 339 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: play with me, Papa, and literally because we didn't we 340 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: weren't using a nanny right, So literally from seven in 341 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: the morning where she woke up to eight thirty nine 342 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: o'clock at night, oh my gosh, we wouldn't got an 343 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: above the ground pool because we couldn't go to the 344 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: splash pad anymore. So we made it work, and it was. 345 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: It was a beautiful time just for us to to 346 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: bond and be able to and you know, I'm even 347 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: when I'm working, I'm I'm a very present husband and father. Um, 348 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: but too, you know, be able to be that seven 349 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: and not have to, you know, go off to work 350 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: and be at work all day was beautiful. Uh. And 351 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: then I also realized how much going to work was 352 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: an escape I had, but with that, I had nowhere 353 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: to go. And you know, and I had, I had 354 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: a record I was trying to finish. It's not be 355 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: my quarantine, you know, project um. But you know, I'm 356 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: always faced with this. You know, my daughter's like, Papa, 357 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: don't play bass play with me, you know, And I'm like, Okay, 358 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: you know what, this base will always be here. She's 359 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: not going to always before asking me to play with her. 360 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's been great for our family. 361 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: Union man, we gotta pay some bills. Malcolm Jamal Warner 362 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: more from him on the other side of the break 363 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: be back in a moment. Every champion and carry chappion 364 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: has to be a champion, a champion and carry chappion 365 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: and carry chapiond A champion and carry chappion and carry 366 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: chappionis and sports and then the same making Naked Park 367 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: Harry Chappion and carry Champion is to be a champion, 368 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: a champion, they carry champion, they yon Champion, they carry Champion, 369 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: they carry champion. Fraidis Sportson and the same ak and 370 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: Naked warm Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked Malcolm is 371 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: still here, sharing and blessing. I hope you enjoy so 372 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: over the pandemic, I asked, Malcolm, you know, obviously, how 373 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: are you doing, but what did you do? When he 374 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: talked about working on his music and his poetry and 375 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: his spoken word and what it meant to him and 376 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: how important it was. Now, I don't know about you, 377 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: but I was today years old when I realized that 378 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: he has several albums like he is truly a poet. Uh. 379 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: And he said, especially during the pandemic, he was able 380 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: to talk about what a lot of us were feeling 381 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: using his poetry, especially for the culture, how painful it was. 382 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: And then I asked him, my sister, what do you 383 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: enjoy the most? And he says to me, Actually, I 384 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: am a poet who happened to be an actor. I'm 385 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: a poet, I'm a bass player, I'm a poet. Um. 386 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I've have a jazz funk spoken word band called Miles Long. Uh. 387 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: We've got three CDs out. I want to gram me 388 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen with Leyla Hathaway and Robert Glassper. 389 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: Poetry has always been just a huge part of my expression. 390 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: My dad went to Lincoln with Gil Scott Heron and 391 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: Brian Jackson. So I literally came out the womb listening 392 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: to Gil and listening to last poets. My father went 393 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: to Lincoln because Langston went to Lincoln. So just from 394 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, my early childhood days, poetry was always a 395 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: part of my expression. And and when spoken words started 396 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: to become, you know, start to take shape again in 397 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: the early nineties, I was very active in the underground 398 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: spoken word movement in Los Angeles. And you know, you know, 399 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: I know there are there are a lot of you know, 400 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: celebrities who who who kind of do poetry and are 401 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: in the poetry but I, you know, I'm always make 402 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: the disclaimer that I am a poet. I'm not a 403 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: celebrity who does poetry. You know. I spent uh, you 404 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: know it early nineties, you know, and it was before 405 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: before spokes work became cool. Like it was just you know, 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: just just before that. I say, we helped make it cool. 407 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: But you know, I mean I spent countless nights in 408 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: poetry spots, always writing, you know, always work shopping my 409 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: poetry whenever I you know, would be in a different town. Um, 410 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: I find the I find the poetry venues and make 411 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: sure I go there to work out. You know, Poetry 412 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: just always been so it wasn't like you know, this 413 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: fact that caught on and you know I started doing it. 414 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: It was you know, It's always been a huge part, 415 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I keep saying, a huge part of my expression because 416 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: it allows me to express myself in ways that I 417 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: can't as an actor or as a director. I don't 418 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: think not even I mean, I know every celebrity who 419 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: does poetry, you know, has not gone through uh, you know, 420 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: through that kind of grind that poets go through. You know, 421 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: it's not just uh, you know, it's not just booking 422 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: the feature and not that. Not that there are of 423 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: celebrities who can actually, you know, do a feature set. 424 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: But I just don't. I don't know of a lot 425 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: of celebrity And why I'm a wh I'm a oh, 426 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm a blanking and Amory Amori Hardwick so a Maori. 427 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: I I knew Marie as a poet before I knew 428 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: he was an actor. Yeah, because I see him in 429 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: l A and we'd be at we'd be at these venues, 430 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: and I always knew Amari as like this really dope poet, 431 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: like this dude is fired. And then I happened to 432 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: back when there were still DVDs. I remember seeing some 433 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: uh straight to DVD movie with Cuba Viting Jr. And 434 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: I saw a picture of Omar. I was like, oh, 435 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: Mari's in this so I you know, I rented it 436 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: put In and I was like, oh, Omari is an actor. 437 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's not just a dope poet. 438 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: He's an actor. So um So not that there aren't 439 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: other you know, celebrities who have you know, put in 440 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: the work whatever, but Omari is the only other person 441 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: I know who has who who who goes in um. 442 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: I know for a while, would what Wood Harris also 443 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: he would be you know, uh he was known for 444 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, going out and workshopping his stuff as well. 445 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, we are quote unquote still 446 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: in a pandemic, right, we still are in the panorama, 447 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: as the folks call it. But we are as normal 448 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: as we can be. This is a part of our lives. 449 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: And Malcolm has been flourishing prior to and still in 450 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: terms of working. He's on a show called The Resident. 451 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: He plays a doctor who is not necessarily well liked 452 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: because he is really arrogant and he knows what he's 453 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: doing and he's the best in his profession. And he 454 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: is this guy who really, you know, kind of get 455 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: some people's nerves, if you will, right rubs them the 456 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: wrong way. But I find it interesting, especially when I 457 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: speak to actors who love these types of roles, not 458 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: necessarily a villain, but a departure from whom they are 459 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: in real life. Uh. And he talks about why he 460 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: loves being on this show. And the reason why I 461 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: think it's important that we highlight Malcolm working is because, 462 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: and I've said this from the beginning, child stars do 463 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: not have careers that last long, especially in front of 464 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: the camera. I can count on my hand how many 465 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: people that I am familiar with right um, that that 466 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: are doing this successfully and at a high level. And 467 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: Malcolm is one of a few, and I'm sure there 468 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: are others. But when I tell you, it is hard 469 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: to do in a town that is so fickle, and 470 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: they don't like you when you get north of a 471 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: certain age, or they don't like you if you're not 472 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: the person. It really talks about who you are as 473 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: an actor, your skill set and why people like working 474 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: with you. So hats off, kudos because you are thriving. 475 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Take a list in y'all, So I guess, I guess 476 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: for some furious who who have not seen the show. Um, 477 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: The Resident is a medical drama. I UH play Dr A. J. Austin, 478 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: one of the top thorastic surgeons in the country. And 479 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: what I love about playing this this character is he's 480 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: a dick. He's brash. He uh is very arrogant because 481 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: he's one of the best at what he does. But 482 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: he's not eric it out of overcompensating. He's just he's 483 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: he's arrogant because he knows that he is the best 484 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: at what he does. When he speaks, he does not 485 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: care for He's always gonna speak the truth, so he 486 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: does not care how the truth lands on one. It's 487 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: the truth and you deal with it. He's a guy 488 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: who just does not care what people think of him, 489 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: which has been wonderful for me to play because I 490 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: often say that, uh playing A j allows me to 491 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: be who I don't allow myself to be in real life. 492 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: It's been great. It's been great. It's been it's it's 493 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: been a really good journey. And when I started the 494 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: show I was only supposed to do I was only 495 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: on for the last three episodes of season one and um, 496 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: it's season five and I'm still there. Congratulations to Malcolm 497 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: Jamal wan or forever theo Huxtable To me, I am sorry. 498 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: I know you hate that because I don't want somebody saying, 499 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: here are you forever the sports girl. I have other 500 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: interests of the things to do. Um, but what I 501 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: love about the Cosby Show, And I'm gonna go back 502 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: to that because I really want to be clear, even 503 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: though I'm not necessarily clear, if I'm being honest, I 504 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: know that that show was woefully important in me growing up. 505 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: It was what late eighties, early nineties, and to see 506 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: the images of powerful black excellence weekend and week out, 507 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: I believe put me on a different trajectory and help 508 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: me dream even bigger. And you know I love a dream. 509 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: Felicia Rashad, Bill Cosby, uh Lisa Bone, Malcolm Jamal Warner. 510 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: They were part of my home. They defined how I 511 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: looked at black success, a different world based on HBCUs 512 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: Cosby's invention. We really have been living our lives through 513 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: them for so long, and here we are today where 514 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: there is a generation of who only know Bill Cosby 515 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: as a man who spent time in jail and has 516 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: been accused of raping and sexually assaulting women and women 517 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: and women over the years. Um, it's unfortunate. Two things 518 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: are unfortunate because I do believe most of the women 519 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that that happened to them, and I am sorry. 520 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: But I also have a problem with though is throwing 521 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby away entirely, canceling him entirely because bad people 522 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: can do good things or vice versa. Good people can 523 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: do bad things. And you see, I'm struggling with this, 524 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: as as was Malcolm when he talked about it, and 525 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: now his relationship with Bill is far different from what 526 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: I know from watching someone on television. He will say 527 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: that man changed my life. He will say that man 528 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: gave me some of the best advice of my life. 529 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: He is a mentor someone that I hold in high regard. 530 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: I am aware of what is happening in the world, 531 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: and I am sad about what happened to those women. 532 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: But I do know that what this man did for 533 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: a period of time changed the trajectory for so many 534 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: of us in the culture. Like I can't emphasize enough 535 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: with that show Met there was one one episode and 536 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: I still and I talked about it with in one 537 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: episode about the Gordon Guard Trail. Gordon Guard Trail, you 538 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: remember that you fee old enough, you got to know 539 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: about Gordon Guard Trail. Here's the funny part. The Gordon 540 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: Guard Trail story is truly about how his sister Denise 541 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: wanted to make him a designer shirt for a homecoming 542 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: dance and he couldn't afford the Gordon Guard Trail original 543 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: but she was like, I'm gonna make it. And it 544 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: was the most awful, funny, exciting thing I had ever seen. 545 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: And I remember the episode like it was it was yesterday. 546 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: I will look when I worked at ESPN with his 547 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: and hers, we redid that episode a different world, not 548 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: necessarily that episode, but we redid a different world based 549 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: on our familiarity, the love that we had for what 550 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: those shows represented. Michael Smith dressed up for Halloween one 551 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: year with the Gordon Gartrail was amazing, And again you 552 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: have to realize it was just a moment. It was 553 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: a movement. And so I find myself with these mixed 554 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: emotions but really standing more firm on the side of 555 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: protecting those who can protect themselves. But I still never 556 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: forget what that show meant to me and why I 557 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: still have such an affinity for those on that show. 558 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: And I'm saying it's okay to separate the two. You're 559 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: not saying one good thing doesn't mean bad things didn't happen. 560 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying because Bill Costi put out this amazing 561 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: show and made sure that we knew about HBCUs and 562 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: black culture and black excellence, that he did not harm 563 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: these women. The two can't exist. Sadly they can coexist. 564 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: But with that being said, I'd like to talk about 565 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: what I was able to birth from the Cosby show, 566 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: and that was a level of excellence. And I saw 567 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: it weekend and week out with our guest today, malcol 568 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Jamal Warner, and I said to him, the poet that 569 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: he is, who happens to act, would he do be 570 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: a favor? Would he allow us to be blessed with 571 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: one of his poems? Um? And he knew what we 572 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: would be talking about, He knew what this the show 573 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: is about, and he knew that UM people would have 574 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: mixed emotions about what he has to say about Bill Cosby. 575 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: But he had a beautiful reading which I'll leave you 576 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: all with, and it was specifically about the culture, and 577 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: it was beautiful because it is a hello, how are you, UM? 578 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: You can do it, you will do well, UM, inspiring 579 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: poem and inspiring reading, and I appreciate it. I'll leave 580 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: you all with that. And sometimes you know, on Naked 581 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm not able to succinctly say how I feel because 582 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: I do have mixed emotions and I don't ever want 583 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: to be on record condemning someone um for the rest 584 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: of their lives without adding the nuance that needs to 585 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: be there. I hope I was able to do that 586 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: for you all to day enjoy the reading. It's been 587 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: far too much time to keep crying about how hard 588 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: it is to be black in America. Yet here we 589 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: are to your streaked and salt stained faces. Traces of 590 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: trauma and pain lace our d NA, like our black 591 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: pride is cut and laced with self hate, and we 592 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: still think it's dope, just like the musical program to celebrate. 593 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: Can you tell me the fate of the people who 594 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: consciously take debit and embrace the very traits placed upon 595 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: them by their captors, who by design are inclined to 596 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: keep them believing their second rate. I'll wait. We used 597 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: to fight for freedom, but now it's like we fight 598 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: for the right to be dumb. For free were to 599 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: ice life. Here me, we are being hustled. We are 600 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: being played our culture on display like the slave trade, 601 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: for the world to devour like a delicious delicacy, while 602 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: we are left to feed on hopelessness and grief and 603 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: the belief that beef with people who look just like 604 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: us should render them obsolete. Hey, great, kool aid tastes 605 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: great until you realize that sweetened with self destruction and 606 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: low self esteem, the system has been set up to 607 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: shut us out. We are being robbed because we are rich. 608 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: How many thieves and you know bother to break into 609 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: an empty house, but we are pushed into prisons of 610 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: hopelessness and fear. Look around, family, Look around family, Look 611 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: around family. We got to get out of here.