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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, we're covering

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know to become a more accurate

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Speaker 1: and effective white tail hunter with a gun and helping

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Speaker 1: me do that or die hard firearm deer hunters, Jordan's

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Speaker 1: Sillers and Spencer new Heart. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light

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Speaker 1: Tannis Show. We are continuing shooting month, but this time

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Speaker 1: we're stepping away from the archery thing and instead I

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Speaker 1: am joined by two serious gun guys who are also

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Speaker 1: white tail guys, and we're gonna be diving into a

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Speaker 1: whole host of different topics related to becoming a better

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Speaker 1: shot with a firearm while you're out there deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: How to become a more effective gun deer hunter. We

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Speaker 1: discuss criteria for picking the right firearm, optics AMMO, and

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Speaker 1: accessories for deer hunting. We talk about ideas for how

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Speaker 1: to better practice with your gun in the off season,

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Speaker 1: uh stuff like proper trigger pull and breathing and shot

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Speaker 1: process determining your max range with a firearm for deer.

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Speaker 1: How accurate is accurate enough with a gun for deer?

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Speaker 1: Is this super hardcore long range, super accurate? You know

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Speaker 1: range nut kind of thing? Is that necessary? What about

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Speaker 1: dealing with target panic? We talked about that, shooting an

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Speaker 1: adverse conditions, and a whole lot more so. In short,

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Speaker 1: if you plan on using a firearm for any of

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Speaker 1: invest a little extra time and energy into doing this

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Speaker 1: better than you have before, this episode is for you.

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Speaker 1: So about further Ado, Let's get to week two of

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Speaker 1: shooting month. We're talking guns for deer hunting and all

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Speaker 1: things in between. Let's get into it all right with

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Speaker 1: me on the show today to talk guns. We've got

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Speaker 1: Spencer new Heart and Jordan's Sellers. Welcome, Welcome to show, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Yeah, thanks, thank you Mark. Mark.

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Speaker 1: When is the last time you killed the deer with

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Speaker 1: a gun? You killed one in one But before that,

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Speaker 1: when the last time deer died because you had a

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Speaker 1: gun in your hands? Oh man, You see you were

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Speaker 1: so busy this past year, Spencer, you you totally blaked

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Speaker 1: on what I did in one because I killed all

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Speaker 1: four of my deer with a gun last year. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: you believe? Can you believe? In new Mark Canyon? I

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Speaker 1: know you've You've inspired me. After one week in November

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Speaker 1: and you trounced and every deer in town with your gun,

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Speaker 1: I said, throwing the stick, stick and string out the

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Speaker 1: door and picking up the boomstick. So so are you

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Speaker 1: Are you doing more gun hunting in two now? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any gun hunt it's like traveling gun

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Speaker 1: hunts planned. I'll gun hunt in Michigan. That's all I

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Speaker 1: have planned right now. Um, but I'm not you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to It just kind of depends on

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Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, I've got a lot to learn though.

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Speaker 1: Like I definitely am the deer hunting or the gun

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Speaker 1: the season. That was it. That was my gun hunting experience.

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Speaker 1: Then if I'm rifle hunting, I can travel to like

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Speaker 1: That's a fair a fair explanation. Jordan, What's what's your story?

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Speaker 1: How did you how did you get into gun hunting

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Speaker 1: This is this is shooting month on the Wires Hunt podcast. Right,

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Speaker 1: just hunting out of a deer blind in Kentucky. Um,

430
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: but my most important accessories the Swag your bipod. And

431
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: now we're not partners or anything like that. So this

432
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: is like a genuine endorsement of Swagger bipods. They allow

433
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: you to shoot from whatever position you might end up in,

434
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: like I said before, which which tends to be awkward,

435
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: whether you're standing or kneeling, or prone or sitting or

436
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: leaning off of a tree or shooting from a blind

437
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,239
Speaker 1: or a tree. Stand Uh, that thing can always like

438
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: give you a sturdy rest. Now, again, if you were

439
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: talking to Brody, you're you're honest about this. They would

440
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely crazy for carrying around a bipod that

441
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: weighs like two pounds. But if I'm hunting in in

442
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: the Midwest, that extra weight isn't really a big deal.

443
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely worth the advantage of being able to

444
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: shoot from whatever position you might find yourself. And so

445
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: I think specifically for a white sail hunter, UM, just

446
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: knowing that you have a good solid rest, whether that's

447
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: off of a bipod that's connected to your gun or

448
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: a tripod UM that also doubles as you know, holding

449
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: your camera to take pictures. Uh, just really focus on

450
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: that part of the hunt. Yeah, Jordan, would you would

451
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: you add to that? Yeah, well I second that. On

452
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: on the Swagger, the Swagger bipod spencer, can you kind

453
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: of explain what those are just for people who haven't

454
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: maybe seen them before, because they're they're a pretty unique

455
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: UM tool. Yeah. Most bipods that you use UM, once

456
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: you deploy them, they are like a very stiff bipod

457
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: that they go out to like sixteen inches and they

458
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: stay at sixteen inches and you have to basically try

459
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: to shoot them prone. Swagger allows you to extend it

460
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: like sort of ridiculous ranges UM where you can shoot.

461
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: If you're just like of an average height of like

462
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: five eleven, you can use this bipod and extend it

463
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: long enough to shoot while you're standing. You just you know,

464
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: fold the legs in a little bit tighter. Um. They

465
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: also allow you to swivel around a bunch of directions,

466
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: which is is really cool if you were hunting UM

467
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: in an area like I was last year in Montana

468
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: for one week in November. I was hunting a spot

469
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: that didn't really have a specific funnel, and I wasn't

470
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: sure what the deer we're going to be doing. Having

471
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: the ability to prop my gun up on a bipod

472
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: and be you know, had very easily like shoot all

473
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: the way to my right at like, uh, what would

474
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: that be ninety degrees? Or go to my left at

475
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: two seventy degrees. The Swagger bipod allows you to do that.

476
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: They're not as stiff or or rugged as a traditional bipod.

477
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: But if you're sitting on the ground leaning against a tree,

478
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: UM and you want the ability to to make a

479
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: variety of shots, that would be like my top recommendation. Yeah, Yeah,

480
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: they're very cool. I've I've telt them a couple of times. UM.

481
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: One thing I would add, and this really applies more

482
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to be shooting out you know, three

483
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: D four hundred, five hundred yards UM is a bubble

484
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: level that you put on your scope to make sure

485
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: that you're shooting, that that your radical is level when

486
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: you're shooting. UM. I wrote a piece on this a

487
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, and I was surprised. I talked

488
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: with a guy at vortex UM and I was surprised

489
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: at how much tilting your rifle to the right or

490
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: to the left when you shoot can throw off your shot. UM.

491
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: He did did some math for me and found that

492
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: at three hundred yards UM, a two degree can't to

493
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: the right or the or to the left can move

494
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: your shot horizontally by almost nine inches UM. And that obviously,

495
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: uh the the effect of that is even worse as

496
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: you increased distance. Now, I don't want to kind of

497
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: over overstate this too much. It's not going to be

498
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: a huge deal if most of your shots are are

499
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: within you know that that three yard range. But having

500
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: that bubble level on your scope, uh is is gonna

501
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: be able to tell you you can just glance at it,

502
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: look and say, Okay, I'm shooting straight. I don't have

503
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: to worry about this. I can you know, either just

504
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: hold right on or I can dial and and I'm

505
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna be good to go. Um. So that's one thing.

506
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: And they're not expensive, you know, maybe thirty bucks and uh,

507
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: and that will help make sure that you're shooting strade

508
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: When it comes to white tail hunting, how how important

509
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: is a good scope? I mean, you know, going back

510
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: to my ill advised childhood, I mean, we had like

511
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: thirty dollar scopes on our rifle. I didn't touch a

512
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: higher end scope till I was in my twenties. For

513
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: guys that are just hunting farm country in Michigan or

514
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: Ohio or Georgia, they're shooting fifty yards, maybe a hundred

515
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: and fifty yards, you know, that kind of stuff that

516
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: most you know, west or east of the Mississippi white

517
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: tail guys are doing. How important is the scope? Do

518
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: we really need to sink a bunch of money into it?

519
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's um or is it really that important? Oh? Man?

520
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I I really, I really have a special dislike for

521
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: scope snobs. Um. It just kind of bothers me when

522
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, you really have to spend you know,

523
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars, three thousand dollars on a scope. Why

524
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: are you putting that cheap scope on that nice gun? Um?

525
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: But I get it right. I think for people who

526
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: are hunting at those longer distances, it makes a lot

527
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: more sense. If you're not hunting at those longer distances,

528
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I think, uh, it could still be a good idea

529
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: to invest at least some amount of money in a

530
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: scope just for those low light conditions at Donner at

531
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: dusk when you know, we hunt whitetail. You want to

532
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: be able to see clearly and so. Um. You know.

533
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to spend a thousand dollars

534
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: on on your your scope for your dear gun. Uh,

535
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: but but I think it is worth it to invest

536
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: just to get that clarity in those low light conditions. Um,

537
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, at least a couple hundred dollars. I would say,

538
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: what do you think, spencer, Yeah, I think scoops or

539
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I think scopes are super important. If I was building

540
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: a white tail gun for like a thousand bucks, um,

541
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: I'd spend half of that on a scope in the

542
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: other half on the rifle. Itself. Jordan, I'm curious to

543
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: hear like your thoughts on that. If you were spending

544
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars on a gun that's going to be

545
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: your white tail gun, how would you break that down? Yeah, No,

546
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I like that especially, I think especially because these days

547
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to spend a ton of money on

548
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: a gun. You know, five hundred dollars is gonna get

549
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: you there, Ah, for a gun that's gonna shoot as

550
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: well as you needed to shoot, right, they talk about

551
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: the gun shoots better than you do. Um, five dollars,

552
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be enough to get you there. And

553
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: so then yeah, you can spend the rest of that

554
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: on a really nice scope and be sure that you

555
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: know you're you're seeing clearly. Um. So yeah, i'd agree

556
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. And the difference between like a four

557
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: hundred dollar gun and an eight hun gun is noticeable.

558
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: But for a lot of white tail hunters, um, maybe

559
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily and it's not going to like kill them

560
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: anymore dead, but the difference between a four scope and

561
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: an eight hund scope is is pretty enormous. Um. So,

562
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: if you're setting aside a budget to buy a new gun,

563
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: like spend at the top of your budget for a scope,

564
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: and and you won't regret that scope. We're probably like

565
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: outlive the gun itself when you decide to move on

566
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: and get a different cartridge or get a different gun,

567
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: or or you know, change things up and go out

568
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: west or get a straight wall cartridge or whatever. So again, UM,

569
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: I put a lot of emphasis on like making sure

570
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: you have the right scipe. Yeah, that's and that's a

571
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: great point about being able to switch it to a

572
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: different gun, because the gun's gonna where eventually. Um, but

573
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: if you take care of the scope, you can you

574
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: can move it over. Well, what what makes a good

575
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: white tail scope? Then? If you know, if we're if

576
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: we're agreeing that what a western hunter is different, what

577
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: a western hunter needs is different than what a white

578
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: tail hunter needs. But Spencer, you're saying we should still

579
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: try to get as good of a white tail scope

580
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: as we can. What does that mean? Um, what's the

581
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: criteria we're looking at that's most important for these types

582
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: of situations. Well, a lot of the stuff is going

583
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: to be obvious, and that's like the amount of light

584
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: that you're letting in and how crisp things look. And

585
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: those are things that you'll notice, like the second you

586
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: go from a crappy scope to a very nice scope,

587
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: especially when it manas most which is like that first

588
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: half hour shooting light or that last half hour shooting light.

589
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: But I think more important to that is, um getting

590
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: the right magnification for whatever your situation might be. Now,

591
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: when I hunt in the West, I'm using like a

592
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: three by fifteen power scope. UM. But maybe if you're

593
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: hunting like the swamps of Mississippi or something, Um, you

594
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: don't need anything that gives us beyond like six or

595
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: something like that. I don't know what that number would

596
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: be because I haven't been in that situation very much.

597
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: But just making sure that you have the appropriate size

598
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: of magnification because you can really hurt yourself if you're

599
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: under magnified or overmagnified. UM. So getting that part right

600
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: and then and then spending like a responsible amount of

601
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: money and uh, you'll be happy with whatever you get. Yeah, yeah,

602
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: And I think the temptation is always to go for

603
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: too much magnification, right, Like we want we want hubble

604
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: telescopes on our rifles, even if we're only going to

605
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: be shooting a fifty yards um, so yeah, I'll definitely

606
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: agree with Spencer. All right. So let's say we've got

607
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: our deer gun. Then we've got four rifle that shoots

608
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: better than than we can shoot ourselves. We've got as

609
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: good of a scope as we can afford. It's got

610
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: good low light capabilities, not too much magpower and swagger

611
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: bipod on there. And now I am you know, Let's

612
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: say I'm like one of the millions of deer hunters

613
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: out there who traditionally have done what I do, which

614
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: is you go out for opening weekend, maybe you go

615
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: out around Thanksgiving, um, but then the rest of the

616
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: year your bow hunting or maybe the gunning is all

617
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: you do. But let's say this year you say, all right,

618
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get better at this thing. I'm gonna pay

619
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: more attention to my gun. I'm gonna actually invest in

620
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: time and energy in doing this the right way because

621
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to have another miss or I don't

622
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: want to whatever. When it comes to leading into the

623
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: season kinds of work like tuning your rifle or checking

624
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: the zero in your practice spencer, what what does that

625
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: look like for you? As far as the preseason work

626
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: with your dear gun, how you're practicing with it, tuning it,

627
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: setting anything like that. What does that look like for you?

628
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: And what should someone be think thinking about as they

629
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: get you know, try and take things to the next

630
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: level themselves. I'm not super intense, um about my practicing,

631
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: and it's certainly requires I think less than someone who's

632
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: trying to kill a deer with a bow. Right then

633
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: you recommend their shooting year round and they're ramping up

634
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: as a season gets closer and and things like that. Um,

635
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: the reality is would be awesome if you did that

636
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: with your with your rifle. Um, But shells are expensive

637
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: and it's not like you can everybody can just like

638
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: go in their backyard and and uh, you know, let

639
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: out twenty rounds or something like that. So if if

640
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: you were going to practice like I think an appropriate

641
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: amount and you just wanted to burn through one box

642
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: of shells, which these days is kind of expensive, that

643
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: could be you know, fifty depending on what you're shooting.

644
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: I'd recommend trying to break that up into multiple sessions. Right,

645
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: So rather than going out and shooting twenty shells, all

646
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: that wants, uh, maybe go out like four times in

647
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: the couple of months. Leading up and only shoot five

648
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: rounds each or go out three times and only shoot

649
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: like seven rounds each. UM. Now, the more shooting the

650
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: better obviously, but again that's just like not practical for everybody.

651
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: And just like with archery, it's it's fun to practice

652
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: at ranges beyond um what would be a realistic yardage,

653
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and that will actually give you some confidence when you

654
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: do come back to a short or distance. Right if

655
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: if I take out my rifle and um, I can

656
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: hit steal at five hundred yards, when I come back

657
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: to two hundred, which is a more realistic range, that

658
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: that feels like a piece of cake. Just like if

659
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: you shoot your bow at sixty and then you come

660
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: back to fifteen, UM, it makes that feel easier. And

661
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: so I'd recommend a little bit of that too. But uh,

662
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: just getting like really confident at whatever you think your

663
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: your yardage is, whether it's a hunt or two hundred

664
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: three hundred um, and and making sure you get out

665
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: like three or four times, you know, in the months

666
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: leading up to the season. UM, that's that's good enough

667
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to like make you a very effective rifle hunging, very

668
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: effective rifle hunter. But I'd be curiously about Jordan's to say,

669
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: is someone who you know shoots you round? Yeah, I

670
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: mean I think I think you hit it when you

671
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: said shoot at realistic distances. Um, I think you're you're overarching.

672
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Um kind of goal should be too. Try to replicate

673
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: as close as possible the hunting situations you're likely to encounter.

674
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: And obviously hunting is, um you know, unpredictable, so you

675
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: won't be able to always do that. But um, you know,

676
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: it's unlikely that you'll be able to take a shot

677
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: from prone with your bipod totally calm and relaxed, right,

678
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's possible, but it's more likely you're gonna

679
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: have to shoot over some grass, or you're gonna have

680
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: to shoot leaning against a tree or resting your gun

681
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: on a fence post. Um. So when you do actice,

682
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: I think it's it's way more useful to practice those

683
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: types of scenarios. Um. So you're not just we're shooting

684
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: from the bench, right, I mean, I guess maybe if

685
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: you're in a tree stand, it's somewhat like shooting from

686
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: a bench. Um, But practice those field positions. So practice sitting,

687
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: practice squatting. Um. I I heard a Special Forces sniper

688
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: once who said that he took most of his shots

689
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: squatting with his elbows rested on his knees. And that's

690
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: how we took most of the shots. Because that's how

691
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: if if you know you're you're in the field, that's

692
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. UM. So practicing those field

693
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: positions is really important. UM. And Spencer mentioned kind of

694
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: the cost of AMMO, which is pretty insane these days. UM.

695
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: One way you can still get in some practice without

696
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: spending any money on AMMO is dry fire. Uh. If

697
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you talk to guys who do do a lot of

698
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: competition shooting, they'll tell you dry fire is uh invaluable UM,

699
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: which you can do at home, you know, just you know,

700
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: be safe. Of course, make sure your gun is totally unloaded.

701
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: A lot of times guys will will dry fire, like

702
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: at their guns safe just like you know, that added

703
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: level of safety. But just make sure that that that's

704
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: the case, and then practice those field positions. But you

705
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: can do it, you know, in your basement or um,

706
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: in your room, and it doesn't feel like it's helping,

707
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: but it really is helping because it's it's teaching you

708
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: that trigger control. It's teaching you how to keep those

709
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: sites on your target and pull the trigger without just

710
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: without disrupting those sites, which is when you're gonna miss. Right,

711
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: you can hold sits on a target. The reason you

712
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: miss is because when you pull that trigger, you move

713
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: them a little bit. UM, So dry fire is great. UM.

714
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I also recommend like getting a training gun in twenty

715
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: two long rifle or even like an air rifle. UM.

716
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: Any any trigger time is going to be helpful for you.

717
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: And again going to of those field positions, it's gonna

718
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: make you a better shooter. Yeah. The field positions thing

719
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: is is so important. And I consider myself like a

720
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: a very experienced uh gun hunted for deer. And something

721
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up until recently when I started shooting

722
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: with Garrett Long for meat eater who shoots probably more

723
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: than anybody um that I know, was that if I

724
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: were to go out to the range and I were

725
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to shoot like the six five creed More that I

726
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: that I hunted with all of last year, UM, I

727
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: would just shoot that off of a lead sled and

728
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: then that's that's what I would do. That would be

729
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: my routine. Garrett Long will absolutely not let me shoot

730
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: off a lead sled unless like my rifle isn't zero

731
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: or something like that. But assuming my rifle is zero,

732
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: they we're gonna go out and shoot, you know, five

733
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: to ten rounds. He will not let me shoot out

734
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: a lad sludd. He's making sure that I'm shooting off

735
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: of my bipod while I'm sitting or shooting off of

736
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: my bipod will laying um. And I felt so dumb

737
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: when I realized like that that was the correct course

738
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: of action for practicing with your rifle, and that it's

739
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: actually pretty silly to just like sit there on a

740
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: life slid uh and pull the trigger. So those field

741
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: positions like Jordan was talking about, um, everybody you know

742
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: should take that tap away from this podcast. Jordan's you

743
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: had talked about, you know, that trigger time being so

744
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: important to really understand how to control that trigger. And

745
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: that brought to mind something that's so simple that I

746
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of longtime gun hunters don't even think

747
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: about it anymore. But that is the right way to

748
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: pull the trigger and shoot your gun. You know, I

749
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: think I've heard so many different people say different ways

750
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: to do it. You know, some people say take a

751
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: deep breath and then squeeze and then pull, you know,

752
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: when you release the breath. Some people say hold the breath.

753
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Some people there's all this different stuff about breathing and

754
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: squeezing and pulling and all that kind of stuff. Could

755
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: you could you walk me through what you think the

756
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: right way it is to do that so that someone

757
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: who's either new or someone who wants to like check

758
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: what their grandpa taught them and see if it's right.

759
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Can you walk us you're like the right way to

760
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: do that, so that when we are dry firing and

761
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: practicing or on the range and practicing, we're doing it

762
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: the best possible way. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think UM,

763
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: in terms of breathing, letting that breath all the way

764
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: out is gonna be the best kind of option. I

765
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: know there's there's some debate about that, but to me,

766
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: that just makes the most sense. And that's what I've

767
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: had the most success with UM. Because you don't want

768
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: your body to be moving when you're trying to shoot

769
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: a gun, right, You certainly don't want to pull that

770
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: trigger as you're inhaling um or or as you're exhaling,

771
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: because your your chest is moving with those motions. UM,

772
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: So you wanna you want to let that breath all

773
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the way out. UM. And then in terms of your

774
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: trigger pull, um, pulling it with that first finger pad

775
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: on your trigger finger, UM is going to make sure

776
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: again that you're not disrupting those sites. You're not uh

777
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, jerking that trigger and moving the sites off

778
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: of the target. UM, You're you're you want to focus

779
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: on you let that breath out, and then you put

780
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: you give that trigger a even consistent pressure. Hopefully if

781
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: you've gotten lots of trigger time, you've practiced a lot,

782
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: you know exactly when that trigger is going to break

783
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: even consistent pressure. Um with that breath out and you

784
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: break your shot like that. UM. That's how I've done it,

785
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: That's why I was taught to do it, and I've

786
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: had success with that, uh that method spencer anything different

787
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: for you, Yeah, I think, UM. One of the hardest

788
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: thing to simulate, even at the range is just like

789
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: being out of breath when you have to make a shot.

790
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: And I experienced that a lot haunting left of the

791
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: Missouri River where I will spot a deer at like

792
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: a thousand yards and now I got to close that

793
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: distance to three hundreds. So all of a sudden you

794
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: know you've walked like a quarter mile or something, and

795
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: you're going up and down ravines and you get there

796
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: and that he's about to disappute over the next hill

797
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: or something, or across the property line, whatever that might be,

798
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: and then you had to make that shot after you

799
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: know you're now out of breath. And so I think

800
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: one thing that you could try to practice at the

801
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: range is just like step away from your gone walk

802
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: back to your pickup, um, walk around, they pick up

803
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: a few times whatever, um, look at your phone, but

804
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: just like walking while you're doing and then come back

805
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: and try to make yourself shoot within like you know,

806
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: the first twenty seconds of of getting behind your rifle.

807
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Because I think any of the deer that I have

808
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: missed in recent years, it wasn't because I was nervous

809
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: or because there was something wrong with the gun or

810
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: my environment. Um, it was that like it got to

811
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: the moment of truth and I had just, um like

812
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: walked a long distance and now this dear is is

813
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: about to hop a fancy or something. I have to

814
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: make a shot in amount of breath. And so I

815
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: think that is is one thing that I would recommend practicing.

816
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: UM unless you're someone who you know hunts in Tennessee

817
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: and you just sit in elevative blind all the time,

818
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: that that won't really be an issue. But for anyone

819
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: else who's not in the Midwest, that could be like

820
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: something that you need to learn. Yeah, and I think

821
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean even even if you are hunting in the

822
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: Midwest from a tree stand. Um, the sensation of target

823
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: panic is similar to the sensation of you know, uh,

824
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: like you're describing being physically out of breath. So I

825
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: think if if you struggle with you know, your heart

826
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: starts beating out of your chest when you see that dear, Um,

827
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: that strategy that that spencer describing will help with that

828
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: as well. It's just getting used to making good shots

829
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: when your heart's beating, the adrenaline is going. Um. It's

830
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: it's great, great practice for for those situations. Let's talk

831
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: to something else that I think, something else that I

832
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: think Jordan can speak too better because he knows the

833
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: physics of it. Um is that you don't want to

834
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: practice with a hot barrel. Um. It can be tempting

835
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: to go out and like wrap up your whole you know,

836
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: shooting process in like fifteen minutes or something and in

837
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: that fifteen minutes you sent like seven to ten rounds

838
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: down range. That's too much. Your gun barrel is going

839
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: to be hot, and if you're new to to gun haunting,

840
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: you might not realize like the effect that that can

841
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: have on on your accuracy UM, and it might like

842
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: make you tempted to then move your zero and you're

843
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: making these adjustments and your barrel gets hotter and it

844
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: only gets worse from there. So speak to that a

845
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: little bit, Jordan, about why it's important, you know, to

846
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: be shooting with a barrel that's not smoking hot, because

847
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: that's not how it's going to be in the field,

848
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and that can affect your accuracy. Yeah. Yeah, so you

849
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: certainly don't want um two to zero your scope based

850
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: on a hot barrel. Now, sometimes, you know, some guns

851
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: do a great job with you know, your your point

852
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: of impact doesn't shift much at all with with the

853
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: hot barrel. UM. Some guns, especially a lot of hunting rifles,

854
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: if it's a thin profile barrel, UM, you can have

855
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: a significant point of impact shift when that barrel is hot.

856
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: Uh So, what I always recommend is, if you're sitting

857
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: in your gun, like you know, at the beginning, at

858
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. UM, shoot your group right,

859
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: shoot three to five shots, same point of aim, adjust

860
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: your scope, and then wait until your barrel cools off

861
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: before taking another shot. Because your first shot on that deer,

862
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: your barrel is gonna be coold. Ideally you do this

863
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: with UM you know, the same outside temperature and at

864
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: the same elevation, because that can packed your shot as well. UM.

865
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: If if that's not possible, you know it's you'll probably okay.

866
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: But making that final shot where you confirm your rifles zero,

867
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: you got to do that with the cold barrel. UM. Now,

868
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: if you're if you're practicing right, you're practicing those field positions,

869
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't worry too much about making sure your barrel

870
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: stays perfectly cold. Uh. You don't want to burn out

871
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: your barrel. You don't want it to get you know,

872
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: flaming hot and melt. Um. But if you're just practicing

873
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: on steel or whatever, you know, it's not a huge

874
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: deal if if your barrel gets gets hot. But once

875
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: you are zeroing it, you know, the last shot before

876
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: you go out to hunt, you want to do that

877
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: with the cold barrel. UM to make sure you're replicating

878
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: the in the field scenario. Interesting, Um, I want to

879
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: go back to what you brought up Jordan's in regards

880
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: to target panic, and you know, that's something we talk

881
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot about in the bow hunting world, maybe less

882
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: so in the gun hunting world, but I mean there's

883
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: a plenty of ways that it shows itself, right, whether

884
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: it be in punching the trigger or flinching at the shot,

885
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: or you know, in my case with my gun hunting experiences,

886
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: it's it's just always been that I rushed the shot,

887
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: Like I mean, as soon as the cross areas behind

888
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: the shoulder, it's it's being sent like that's been something

889
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: I fought for a long time. I can only think

890
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: of like one shot ever with a gun that I

891
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: can really tell you honestly that I like, really slow

892
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: down and let the crossair just sit on the deer

893
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: for a little bit of time before I squeeze the trigger. Thankfully,

894
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: as my longest shot I've ever taken at a deer,

895
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: and I got it. But I've I've had trouble with

896
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: this is what I'm trying to say. UM So my

897
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: question is for folks that have experienced that, for people

898
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: that are experiencing that, how do you tackle that other

899
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: than doing the you know, run around and train and

900
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: get your heart right up and practice like that. UM.

901
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time learning about dealing with

902
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: target panic with a bow. I gather there's probably a

903
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: lot of things that are similar, but from a gun perspective,

904
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: how do you help someone dealing with that with their firearm? Yeah,

905
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean a good question, right. UM. I think it

906
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: goes back to practice and confidence, because the more you practice,

907
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: the more confident you're gonna be in in your ability

908
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: to make a shot. And so even when your heart

909
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: is racing and you're shaking, you're you're gonna know and

910
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: your body to make a good shot. UM. So you

911
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: can still feel that confidence even though you know your

912
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: your adrenaline is going um. And again that that goes

913
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: back to practice. UM. Speaking of kind of uh mistakes

914
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: or or bad shots. One time this this really affected

915
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: me was when it wasn't a very long shot. I

916
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: was I was do hunting, um, and I I but

917
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: I still you know, got got that hit of adrenaline. UM.

918
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have a great rest and I had also

919
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: been shooting earlier in the day with a different gun. Uh.

920
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: That had a much heavier trigger. So when I went

921
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger on my deer hunting gun, I

922
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: mean that thing went off when I did not expect

923
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: it to. Um. So so I think another thing just

924
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, get really dialed in right

925
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: before that hunt is as you're going out, but before

926
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: you leave, UH, do a little bit of dry fire

927
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: just too again, remind your body of this is what

928
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: the trigger feels like when it goes off. This is

929
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: how much pressure you need to put on it, um

930
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: and and that that will help you even uh in

931
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: those moments of target panic. M Spencer about you have

932
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: you have you ever dealt with it at all? Um

933
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. I experienced it far more UM using

934
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: our treat equipment. And I think the same things mark

935
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: um that makes somebody a good shot with a rifle

936
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: would apply to making them a good shot with the bow.

937
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: And I know you've talked about this a lot, um

938
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: and what it takes to get rid of that target panic.

939
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: But all the same things that you emphasize, UM, you know,

940
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: when you're you're shooting an arrow apply to when you're

941
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: shooting a bullet. UM. I think if you take somebody

942
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: like lead by Morgan. Whoever the best um archery hunter

943
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: you know is, I'm sure they would. They would also

944
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: excel sitting behind a bipod on a rifle. Um, all

945
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: those same things seem to translate. Yeah, that makes sense.

946
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: So so then here's the question. I guess it's kind

947
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: of a two part question. Um, how do you know

948
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: you're shooting well enough to go out there? Right? I

949
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: mean I recognize that my childhood experience was probably not

950
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: the right answer. Right, hit apply hit a pipe play

951
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: at forty yards probably doesn't mean you're accurate enough these

952
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: days to go out and shoot a deer of the

953
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: gun at least not advisable. Uh, what would you guys

954
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: say is accurate enough? You know? If I'm shooting two

955
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: inch groups, that two of my good? If I'm shooting

956
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: one inch groups a hundred of my good? Is it?

957
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: Is it something else? How? How do you guys measure that?

958
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: How do you determine what's accurate enough and that I'm

959
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: ready to go out there and do this thing well?

960
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: And then secondly, part two of this is how do

961
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: you determine what your max ranges? How would you go

962
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: about that spencer? I think for determining your max range UM.

963
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: For most white tail hunters, their environment will determine that. UM.

964
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a lot of people hunting um,

965
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, like eastern Mississippi, eastern Missouri that would have

966
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: many opportunities to like take a five hundred yard shot

967
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: or six hundred yard shot or something like that. So

968
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of folks that's just predetermined

969
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: basically by what they're hunting in. But if you do

970
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: hunt in the west, you're where it's more open, or

971
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: maybe your hunting an enormous egg field, um, where those

972
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: kinds of shots exist. UM, Then I think it's I

973
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: don't know if there is a good rule. UM. Like

974
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we often hear with our tree equipment

975
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: that it's like a ten yards you should be shooting

976
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: one inch groups or something like that. And and maybe

977
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: Jordan is aware of like a good rule for that

978
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,479
Speaker 1: kind of thing. UM. But you'll recognize, like if you're

979
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: accurate enough to go out and ethically kill a deer,

980
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: and you have to think about usually you're you're aiming

981
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: for their lungs, which are about the size of like

982
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: a a pie plate. And so I've had a hundred

983
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: yards you're throwing like two inch groups in it, you know,

984
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: two hundred yards, you're throwing three or four inch groups. Um,

985
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: that's that's plenty accurate to go out and kill a

986
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: white tail, assuming you know, all other factors are not

987
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: making you inaccurate. So you're telling me that when I'm

988
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: reading in these like gun magazines and they're talking about

989
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: how all their bullet holes are touching each other and

990
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: they're within like one eighth of a millimeter and every

991
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: single one stacking on top. I'm not supposed to do that.

992
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, any rifle that we're shooting is probably capable

993
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: of that. But when we're behind a bipod or you know,

994
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: resting um on our knees or something like that, Now,

995
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: if you can throw you know, a couple inch grouping

996
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: at a few hundred yards, um, that's that's plenty accurate

997
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: to like effectively and ethnically kill a white tail. Yeah, Jordan,

998
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: what's your take? Yeah, Yeah, I agree with Spencer. I

999
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: think we're more likely to be limited by our own

1000
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: skill as a hunter than by the limitations of the

1001
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: ammunition we're using. Right, because you you can you can

1002
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: determine how far your bullet is going to expand right

1003
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: and reliably dispatch an animal. The the AMMO maker can

1004
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: tell you how fast does that bullet have to be

1005
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: going uh to reliably expand and you can use that

1006
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: and calculate, Okay, the bullets still traveling at this speed

1007
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: at eight hundred yards, So that is my max effective range.

1008
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: The problem is that that's probably not your max range, right,

1009
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: unless you have extensive experience, unless you are very comfortable

1010
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: making wind calls, unless you UM are are very confident

1011
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: in your your range finder. UM, your max range is

1012
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: limited to what you can shoot in that specific situation. UM.

1013
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: I think the pipe plate thing, UH, it's not a

1014
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: bad like thing to think about, right because everyone knows

1015
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: how big a pipe plate is, and that's about as

1016
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: big as the vital area UM of a white tail.

1017
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: So if if you think you might make a three

1018
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: yard shot, UM, take a pie plate, put it at

1019
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: three yards and shoot from those field positions. Shoot from

1020
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: the positions you think you're likely to shoot from in

1021
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: the field. And if you can, if you can group

1022
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: those shots near the center of the pipe plate, I

1023
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be good to go. UM. If you're

1024
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: shooting all over the pipe plate, right and one light

1025
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: kind of barely mixed the edge. Then maybe you want

1026
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: to bring it back a little bit because in the

1027
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: field again, um, you know, you're gonna deal with weird weather,

1028
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna deal with your own adrenaline. Um, so you

1029
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: want to make sure in that controlled setting of the

1030
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: range you're you're hitting near the center. But yeah, like

1031
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: Spencer said, couple inches at two or three hundred yards,

1032
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna be good to go with with most situations

1033
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna encounter. Okay, how does how does all this

1034
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: look in the field? I mean, when I think about

1035
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: my archery shot process, I'm in the tree, I see

1036
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: a buck come in, he's moving into range. There's a

1037
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: whole series of things that I'm doing to prepare myself

1038
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: for the shot and to actually x acute, you know,

1039
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: all the way to firing that arrow down range. Jordan,

1040
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: can you walk me through what that process looks like

1041
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: for you with a firearm. I'm really curious about all

1042
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: the detailed things, like what you're thinking about, what you're

1043
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: checking at each different point. Um. You know, I'm curious

1044
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: if there's anything here that we can get better at.

1045
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: For me, it's always just been like an automatic thing

1046
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: I've done since I was a kid. I'm curious if

1047
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: there's a better way to do things when it comes

1048
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: to actually getting into position and executing the best possible

1049
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: shot on a deer with a gun in the field,

1050
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: What does that look like for you? Yeah? Yeah, I mean,

1051
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious also to hear what Spencer has to say,

1052
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: just because of his extensive experience with this. But um,

1053
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: you know, for me, the first question is how far

1054
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: away is the deer? Right? Am I gonna need to

1055
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: have any holdover? Am I gonna need to dial my

1056
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: scope at all? Um? You know in most white tail

1057
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: situations probably not, especially if you're sited in at two yards.

1058
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're probably gonna be able to hold right

1059
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: on target. Um once I once, Once I am comfortable

1060
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: with the range, I'm comfortable that this is the animal

1061
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: that I want to take. Um, I'm gonna get behind

1062
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: the scope now. I think I struggled with this when

1063
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: I was a new hunter. Uh is getting a good

1064
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: site picture can be challenging in that scenario when you're

1065
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: when your adrenaline is pumping right you, you get down

1066
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: behind the scope and now all you see is black um.

1067
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: And I think if if you grew up with firearms,

1068
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: maybe that's not so much of a struggle for you.

1069
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: But if you didn't. UM, practicing getting that good site

1070
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: picture is important before the hunt, so that once you

1071
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: get there, you can immediately bam, you're behind the scope.

1072
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: You have a clear sight picture and the animal is

1073
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: in your scope. UM. That's another thing. Sometimes you see

1074
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: through the scope and now you're not sure where you are.

1075
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: You're kind of lost. UM. So so practicing that beforehand

1076
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: is good. Uh. One thing that I've found to be

1077
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: useful as having a good cheek riiser that's at the

1078
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: right height. UM. That way, my my cheek goes down

1079
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: and I'm automatically at the right height. So you know,

1080
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: there's there's a better chance of getting that good site picture. UM.

1081
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: Once I have that good site picture, you know, it's

1082
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: it's just kind of back to what we talked about before,

1083
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: controlling breathing, focusing on that trigger. UM. That's something that

1084
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: that I tell people all the time is is the

1085
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: most important thing when you're breaking a shot is that

1086
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: trigger control. UM. Is just focus on making sure that

1087
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: trigger press is consistent and that you're pulling all the

1088
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: way through, um, because because that's what's gonna really gonna

1089
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: make or break the shot, is that trigger. UM. So

1090
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: once you know, once you break that shot, that's that's

1091
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: kind of hopefully you've you've made a good one. M

1092
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: When are you addressing the safety? Do you do? You

1093
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: pop that safety off as soon as you've got the

1094
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: site picture, as soon as the crosshairs are on the vitals,

1095
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: as soon as as soon as when? Yeah? Good, good question. UM.

1096
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: I think probably as soon as I get the animal

1097
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: and the crosshairs, that's when the safety is coming off.

1098
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: Now I'm not putting my finger on the trigger until

1099
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: obviously the animals where I wanted to be and I'm

1100
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: lined up and ready to shoot. UM. But but yeah,

1101
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: clicking that safety off, and you know I I forgot

1102
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: that even as I was describing this process, so you know,

1103
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: it's happened to the best of us. I think where

1104
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: we forget to flip that safety off? H spencer, what's

1105
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: your process look like? I think one of the number

1106
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: one things you need to remind yourself if you're gun

1107
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: hunting um or deer is that you can take your time.

1108
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: If if you're an archery hunter, who is um getting

1109
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: into gun hunting. You're probably familiar with how it could be,

1110
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, the middle of November and you're hunting a

1111
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: funnel during the rout, and an entire encounter with a

1112
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: deer can happen in like ten to fifteen seconds, and

1113
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: that's it, and that's your only chance. Um. With gun hunting,

1114
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: it's it's rarely that quickly. You can take your time

1115
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: and like calm yourself down, um and get a good,

1116
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: steady rest rather than a mediocre one, um, because a

1117
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of times that deer probably doesn't even know that

1118
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: you exist, and and there isn't like a real threat

1119
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: of you moving your knees a little bit or bringing

1120
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: your gun up higher on your shoulder because the thing

1121
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: is a hunter and fifty yards away and doesn't know

1122
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: that you're there, which isn't like, uh, it's not something

1123
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: that really translates to archery. If you're familiar with you know,

1124
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: the intimate and counters that you have with deer. The

1125
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: other thing is um ahead of time, knowing the zoom

1126
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: of your scope. It can be common for you to

1127
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: like go out to the range right and the last

1128
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: shot you take is at six hundred yard and you

1129
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: hit steel and you're feeling real good, and that's the

1130
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: shot that you end on. And then you go hunting

1131
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: opening day and and you pull up your scope um

1132
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: like when it matters, and you realize that you have

1133
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: your zoom turned up to like fourteen or something, and

1134
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're dialing back and you're

1135
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: you're adjusting your clarity and and things like that. So

1136
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: ahead of time, whenever you sit down, we're like, you

1137
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: think you're hunting, and you have your your gun on

1138
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: safe um, sit down and look around through the scope

1139
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: and figure out, you know, what you want the zoom

1140
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: to be if the things that three fifty yards or

1141
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: if it's at seventy five yards UM. And then you

1142
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: should also, just like when you're our tree hunting range,

1143
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: things ahead of time. And so if you're sitting in

1144
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: a tree stand and you know that this uh trail

1145
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: is eight, you know ards in that trail is nineteen

1146
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: and this tree is twenty four, you should do the

1147
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: same thing. When you're gone hunting. You should know like roughly, okay,

1148
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: that tree is a hundred yards and uh, the top

1149
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: of that hill is two hundred um and things like that,

1150
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: you'll likely have enough time to range deer and get

1151
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: a precise range, because, like I said, the gun encounters

1152
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: aren't as quick or immediate um as our tree encounters are.

1153
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: But it's it's something else that you should be doing

1154
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: out of time, just like when you're hunting with the bow. Yeah.

1155
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: So does your process look any different though as far

1156
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: as like the actual steps are taken than Jordan described, No,

1157
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: I think I think it's pretty well the same. Um.

1158
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: Like you acquire your target, like you you bring your

1159
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: eye to the scalpe. That's when I flip flick off

1160
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: the safety. Um. So I think it sounded very similar

1161
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: to you know, what Jordan does when he's gone hunting deer.

1162
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Do either one of you guys have any kind of

1163
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: internal monologue or mantra or words that you're repeating yourself

1164
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: to try to help focus on these important things? You

1165
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: know that's a big thing in the archery world. Um.

1166
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: Is that something that's ever played into firearms for you,

1167
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: Spencer or Jordan's for me? Um? Not very much? Um.

1168
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: But but I also kind of choose to haunt with

1169
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: a caliber that doesn't have as much recoil for that reason,

1170
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: and I think people it probably happens to and they're

1171
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: not even aware of it that they're like bracing themselves

1172
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: if they're shooting a two seventy um that they're they're

1173
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: shooting a large bullet out of um, that they have

1174
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: to like kind of choose to think about the recoil

1175
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: that's about to happen. That's one of the reasons I

1176
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: love to shoot with a gun like a six five

1177
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: creed More is that never crosses my mind as far

1178
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: as like what's going to happen to my shoulder after

1179
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: I pull a trigger. I think some people do have

1180
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: to think about that if they're shooting a thirty ot

1181
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: six or seven mm um. But as far as it

1182
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: goes um pulling the trigger. I don't have any mantras

1183
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if people,

1184
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, have that without even realizing it when they're

1185
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: shooting a gun, that that really kicks them. Yeah. Yeah,

1186
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't have anything specific. I think just I try

1187
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: to breathe and control my breathing and then just focus

1188
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: on that trigger. I mean I might I might even

1189
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: think that in my head focus on the trigger, uh,

1190
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: just because that's that's what I That's all I tried

1191
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: to think about as hard as that is when I'm

1192
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: when I'm in that situation. M Yeah, I think new

1193
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: shooters um probably wouldn't even recognize like what a good

1194
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: trigger pole feels like. And I'm specifically talking about the

1195
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: weight of the trigger poole. I've only had one rifle

1196
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: in my life that I considered to like be inaccurate,

1197
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: and it was because the trigger pole was wildly be

1198
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: And I even took it to like a gunsmith to

1199
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: to get it addressed because I couldn't get it taken

1200
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: care of UM and he ran into the same issues

1201
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: where he couldn't get it any lass. But I'd be

1202
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: curious to wordy to hear your thoughts on on like

1203
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: the weight of a trigger. I think ideally you're in

1204
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: like the four pound range or five pound range. UM,

1205
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: a really heavy trigger pole could be like almost double digits,

1206
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: and it's like replicating a handgun at that point. That's

1207
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: not ideal. You you want a trigger pole it's not

1208
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: so light that it's gonna go off if you bump it.

1209
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: But also UM like light enough that you don't have

1210
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: a long trigger pole where you're really thinking about it

1211
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: or you're unsure when it's gonna go off, or you

1212
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: have to think about how much emphasis you're putting on

1213
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: on your finger pulling the trigger. And it's probably like

1214
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: one of the cheapest, cheapest ways to just make it

1215
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: a rifle more accurate is getting a trigger pole that's

1216
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: right for you. It's something you can probably address after

1217
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: watching like a YouTube video or just taking to a

1218
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: gunsmith and they'd probably do it for free and just

1219
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: ask you to like next time you got a more

1220
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: serious matter you're bringing your business. Yeah, yeah, no, Uh,

1221
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: A trigger is is one of the easiest things and

1222
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot of rifles one of the easiest things you

1223
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: can swap out. UM. A lot of aftermarket trigger companies

1224
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: make drop in triggers for the most popular uh, you know,

1225
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: both action hunting rifles. So it's just a matter of

1226
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: taking that action apart, you know, UM, taking out a

1227
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: couple of screws and putting the new trigger in UM

1228
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: and it can make a world of difference. I mean,

1229
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna make the gun more mechanically accurate,

1230
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: but it's gonna make you more accurate with the gun

1231
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: without question, especially if you're going from a trigger like

1232
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Spencer's describing to a really nice trigger. Um. A lot

1233
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: of them are also adjustable, so uh, pretty common. It's

1234
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: pretty common to be able to adjust them between two

1235
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: and a half and five pounds. And I would say

1236
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: any anything in there that you're comfortable with is going

1237
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: to be a great trigger. And it it's really about

1238
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: it's about the trigger weight, right. You don't want it

1239
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: to be too heavy, but you also want that break

1240
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: to be really consistent, so it's breaking at the same

1241
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: weight every time. Uh. And then you also want the

1242
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: break to be Uh. It's described in a number of ways,

1243
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: but usually it's like you describe it as a crisp break. Right.

1244
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: It's not mushy, it's not gritty. It's like you're just

1245
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: pulling back, applying that consistent pressure and then all of

1246
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: a sudden bang. Right, it's like kind of like glass breaking. Um.

1247
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: That's a really good trigger that you're going to have

1248
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: success with. And the nice thing is that a lot

1249
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: of you know, if you're buying a new gun that

1250
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: was manufactured within the last few years by one of

1251
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: the big gun companies, it's probably going to have a

1252
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: really good trigger in it, and it's probably going to

1253
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: be adjustable. Um. And that's great. I mean, you may

1254
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: not need an aftermarket trigger, but if you have an

1255
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: old gun, um, that's definitely a great upgrade you can make.

1256
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: So would you spectrum, George, what's the spectrum of like

1257
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: weights that you're pulling on your triggers, even for guns

1258
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: that you're not using to hunt with? Yeah, I mean

1259
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: so I think the like the military, that's the mill

1260
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: spec weight for like an a r I think is

1261
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: like eight pounds UM. And that's you know that's a

1262
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: decently heavy trigger is eight pounds um double digits is

1263
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: incredibly heavy and incredibly long. Uh that you're gonna find

1264
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: maybe in like um, like a revolver, right, like a

1265
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: like a double action revolver, where it's just super long

1266
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: and super heavy. Um. For for handguns, I mean even

1267
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: handguns these days, you can you know, uh, five six

1268
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: pounds is pretty common for for a new handgun. Um.

1269
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you're looking at at at a new

1270
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: hunting rifle, three and a half to five pounds is

1271
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: is probably what you're gonna be looking at. I'm gonna

1272
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: guess that my nineteen seventy two semi auto Winchester does

1273
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: not have a good trigger. Poll that was. That was

1274
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: the first rifle I used in I remember I tried

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: to site that in at long ranges to take to

1276
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: Mexico for cou'se deer hunt, and I could not understand

1277
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: why the lead was flying all over the place and

1278
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: couldn't group well. It. Uh, it was pretty obvious once

1279
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: I started thinking about that. Um, speaking of the bullets

1280
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: going all over the place, the last thing I want

1281
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: to cover is shooting the elements and how that stuff

1282
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: can affect your accuracy. Um in a white tail scenario

1283
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: at least. So Jordan, what about the wind you talked

1284
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: about earlier? How you know maybe you need to count

1285
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: for wind in certain situations and what ranges? What I

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01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: actually have to think about wind at all? Knowing that

1287
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of white tail scenarios now I'm not

1288
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: shooting that far out. Do I need to care about wind?

1289
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: How do I count for wind? Should that factor in it? All? Yeah?

1290
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean I think within about three hundred yards unless

1291
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about like a gale and you're shooting a

1292
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: very slow round. UM, probably not uh past three yards,

1293
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to be thinking about it. And the

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01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: problem with making wind calls is that it's very difficult. Um.

1295
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: It's it's tough to judge if if you are in

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: a stationary position, what the wind is doing four hundred

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: yards away. Um. And that really goes back to just

1298
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: having experience with that rifle and with that caliber and knowing, um,

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: what you want to do. And I mean me personally,

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take a shot if I feel

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01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: like the wind is so strong and I'm making a

1302
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: very you know, a longer distance shot, um, just because

1303
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know enough about the situation to

1304
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: to make what I think is is ethical shot. Um.

1305
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say, what

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01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: do you consider a gale force wind? Like, what's that

1307
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: number for you? Yeah, I mean obviously it's not actually

1308
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: gale force, um, but anything above and and it depends

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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: to on the direction of the wind. Right, Like if

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: it's a tail wind coming from straight behind you, or

1311
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: if it's a wind coming from straight in front of you, Um,

1312
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: that's not going to affect the bullet whole lot. But

1313
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: if it's coming from ninety degrees you're on your left

1314
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: or you're right, Uh, that's gonna push it quite a

1315
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: bit more. Um. If you want, like uh uh more

1316
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: of a range of a lot of the well, all

1317
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: of the um like ballistics calculator apps will make those

1318
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: calculations for you, so you just plug in. Here's here's

1319
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: my my cartridge. Uh, here's how fast it's going, and

1320
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: you can see and you can play with those wind

1321
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: numbers to see. Okay, at three yards the wind is

1322
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: coming from directly on my right. Here's how much it's

1323
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 1: gonna push the bullet um and that could be revealing,

1324
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: but again it's gonna affect you a lot more if

1325
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: you're making long distance shots within a couple hundred yards,

1326
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's probably not going to matter a whole lot. Okay,

1327
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: Spencer year out there on the Great Plains a lot

1328
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, it's windy as hell out there,

1329
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: has this factory in at all for you in the field.

1330
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: Um now, and when you're talking about heavy winds, it's

1331
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: not so bad if it's like a consistent heavy wind.

1332
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: But as like more experienced shooters than me I pointed

1333
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: out to me, if you're hunting in a Western state

1334
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: and you're shooting across like three or four different coolies

1335
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: um to your target, all those coolies can have different

1336
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: like different thermals, and one can have the wind just

1337
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: ripping through it and the next one may not have

1338
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: much winded. On the other one, UM may have like

1339
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: a medium amount of winded and just having inconsistent winds.

1340
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: I think UM is like even a bigger problem than

1341
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: having just a nine d degree wind that's like fifteen

1342
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: or twenty miles an hour, but it's still not enough.

1343
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: That's going to affect UM most shooters, I think the

1344
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: bigger thing in in nasty conditions, whether it's like wind

1345
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: or rain or snow, UM are your optics and you

1346
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: can have it's really cheaped by scope covers, UM, and

1347
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: you don't need them for every hunt, and not every

1348
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: hunter needs them either if they're like shooting from an

1349
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: elevated blind or something like that. UM. But if you

1350
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: are just sitting on the ground a lot or leaning

1351
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: against a fence post and you hunt in an area,

1352
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: UM that's going to get rain or snow, get yourself

1353
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: some scope covers, because you can have snow that totally

1354
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: like fills up the front of your rifle scope and

1355
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: you not even realize it, and then when it comes

1356
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: time to shoot, you're trying to clean it out. And

1357
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: then you're just smearing it um. And that's an idea,

1358
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: So some cheap scope covers, uh could prevent that. Also,

1359
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: just like putting a piece of tape over your rifle barrel,

1360
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: I think Jordan could speak to the specifics of that.

1361
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: But that will keep moisture out of your rifle barrel.

1362
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: I think it's been proven that that doesn't affect accuracy

1363
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: at all. It's not going to change the ballistics of

1364
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: your bullet um. But it's just like a good practice

1365
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: to to keep your barrel from you know, rusting out

1366
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: or or getting moisture in there. But I think like

1367
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: the biggest thing when we're talking about the wind and

1368
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: rain and snow is just making sure that you're comfortable.

1369
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: If if you can't like feel your fingers um or

1370
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: you're distracted because sleet is hitting you in the face,

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01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: and uh, you can't like focus on your trigger pole

1372
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: or acquiring um, you know, the target in your scope.

1373
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 1: That's a way bigger problem than it actually like affecting

1374
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: the performance of your gun. So just make sure that

1375
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: you know you're dressed for the conditions and you don't

1376
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: get swear be on the walk in um or that

1377
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: your toes aren't freezing, and you're thinking about those things

1378
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: because again, like Jordan said earlier, uh, your rifles are

1379
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 1: gonna outshoot you. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's a great

1380
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: point about making sure you are comfortable in the weather. Um.

1381
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: And yes, I I believe that, I've I've I've seen

1382
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: guys use electrical tape, um, the black electrical tape for

1383
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: to cover your your barrel and that's not gonna that's

1384
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything. Um in terms of your shot.

1385
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: You shouldn't worry about that, but it could affect your

1386
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: shot if you get rain in there or or dirt

1387
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: or something. Um. So yeah, the tapes a good strategy, Jordan.

1388
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: Is there anything with snow or rain that would impact

1389
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 1: or that would influence accuracy so much so that you know,

1390
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: you would say, well, because of this, you know, all

1391
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: the snow coming down and because of this cold rain,

1392
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot as long of a shot

1393
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: as that would or wise, is there any kind of

1394
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: ballistic impact that we should think about, you know, outside

1395
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: of just wind. Yeah, now that's a great question. I

1396
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: I feel that probably, Um, the rain is the rain

1397
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: your visibility before they're gonna affect the bullet um. So

1398
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, if it's if it's pouring down rain or

1399
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: the snow is really coming down hard, you're not gonna

1400
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: be able to see that far out anyway, And so

1401
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: it's not really going to be a question. Um. I

1402
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: don't know specifically how much, like you know, a moderate rain,

1403
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: it's going to impact the flight of a bullet. I

1404
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: I would suspect very little. Um. But again, like with

1405
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: everything else, it's gonna impact it more at longer distances

1406
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: because that and everything affects it more when it's going slower.

1407
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that that's probably not a situation

1408
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: you should worry too much about in terms of your bullet,

1409
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: but just make sure you can you can see your target. Yeah,

1410
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: fair enough. I guess I got one final question, and

1411
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: maybe you know your answer. You can repeat something we've

1412
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 1: already talked about. But let's just say we have a

1413
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: listener here who is a long time hunter, a good hunter.

1414
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: He or she feels comfortable and confident out there. They've

1415
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: killed a lot of deer with the bow, they've killed

1416
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: plenty of deer with a gun, but they've always put

1417
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: more of their time and emphasis and energy and getting

1418
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: better at the bow hunting side. But this year, they

1419
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: really they really want to give that extra love to

1420
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: firearm season. If you could give them just one thing

1421
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: out of the million things we talked about today, or

1422
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: or something else entirely, if you want to give them

1423
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: just one marching order, one takeaway, one action you want

1424
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: them to take this year that's going to help them

1425
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: be a more accurate, effective shooter of their firearm when hunting.

1426
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: What would that one thing be that you want to

1427
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: leave that person with a Jordan, I'll make you go first. Sure, yeah,

1428
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: I would say, um, pick three field positions and just

1429
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: get really good at it. Uh, get get really good

1430
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: at at shooting from those three positions. UM. Do more

1431
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: dry fire and shooting with you know, a bolt action

1432
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: twenty two than with your actual hunting rifle. But certainly

1433
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: don't ignore shooting with your hunting rifle. UM. But just

1434
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: every time you go to the range, work on those

1435
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: three positions and get really confident. Start at a hundred

1436
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: yards or fifty yards and work your way out to

1437
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: three or four yards. Um. And it's it's it's gonna

1438
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: make you a better hunter. But it's also just kind

1439
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: of personally fulfilling to to develop a skill like that. Um,

1440
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of fun. Yeah, Spencer, about you.

1441
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 1: I think about this a lot with one of my

1442
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: my buddies who was like the best archery deer hunter

1443
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: I know, UM, and he is incredible at killing deer

1444
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: at fifteen yards away, and a couple of years ago

1445
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: I convince him to pick up a rifle and start hunting,

1446
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: just because they game more opportunities and can travel more

1447
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: and things like that. And he did that, and it

1448
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: was super hard for him to turn off that archery

1449
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: part of his brain that made him want to be

1450
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: within fifteen yards and to perfectly play the wind and

1451
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: um to like really limit your sight lines because we

1452
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot more. But when your bow hunting,

1453
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: you want to be in a position to kill deer,

1454
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: not not just see deer. Um. And if you're coming

1455
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: from the bow hunting world and going to gun hunting,

1456
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: you really have to think about how different your rifle

1457
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: setups should be UM, which often means like giving yourself

1458
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to see six hundred yards and and just

1459
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: needing to like close the distance from that six hundred

1460
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: to three hundred UM to make a shot. And so

1461
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: really like, think about when you're scouting and when you're

1462
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: looking at on X and when you're walking to your

1463
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: tree stand to do a bow hunt, Like how you

1464
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: would do this differently to kill one of these deer

1465
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: with a gun, Because if you want to be like

1466
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: a good gun hunter, it needs to be different. You

1467
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: can't be haunting the same sort of setups and and

1468
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: have that same mindset. Um, gun hunting is much easier

1469
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: than archery hunting, but that doesn't mean that it's like

1470
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: such a smooth transition that, um, you just take all

1471
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: of your knowledge from this thing and apply to this

1472
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: thing and you're going to kill more dear. Um. A

1473
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: lot of it is just like trial and error. But again,

1474
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: be thinking about how every gun hunt would be different

1475
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: than a bow hunt when you're in those situations. Yeah,

1476
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Alright, guys, uh Spencer,

1477
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: you're you're particularly good at this last thing, which is

1478
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: plugging articles on the site. We've got a whole lot

1479
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. We've got a lot of stuff on this topic. Right,

1480
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: Is there any plug you want to give for specific

1481
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: articles or just you want to send them to the

1482
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: menIt or what do you want to plug here? When

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Speaker 1: I think since twenty nineteen or something like that. Um,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully a lot of other people to thank you.

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Speaker 1: I like this new mark that is given John Hunters

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Speaker 1: gotta we gotta do a Western white tail gun hunt, Spencer.

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Speaker 1: I gotta join you in one of these and get

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Speaker 1: it done together. I'm into it, alright, guys. Cool, Thanks Park,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it all right, and that is a rap. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for tuning in. Like Spencer mentioned, be sure to

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this one. Stay tuned. Next week we

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Speaker 1: will continue this discussion more bohoning focus, but all things

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Speaker 1: shooting and making sure we are more accurate in the field,

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Speaker 1: getting ready for our best season ever. Thanks for tuning in,

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