1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast, presented 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: by Farm Bureau Health Plans. Look to the folks at 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans when you need someone who understands 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: the exes and oh's of healthcare coverage. They've been protecting 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven. I'm Amy Wells and 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: I am so pleased to welcome you to our new show. 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis, better known as Coach Mac, he's also here 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: and Mac, this is it. We have finally arrived at 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: our first Titans Amy and Coach Back podcast. Are you 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: so excited and looking so forward to this? And this 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: is really going to be good. I mean, you know, 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: for our listeners, and I hope we get a million 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: of them, this is going to be interesting, informative, and 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: it's going to be fun. And you know what we did. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: You know when this was presented to us, we were 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: going to do something different and we were going to 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: try to get a hold of guests and people that 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: don't do these things. I've got a few people in 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: my phone and we went through it and we had 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: meetings and put together who we would like to talk 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: about over a variety of subjects concerning the National Football League. 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: But from a lot of different perspectives, this is going 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: to be fun. I'm so looking forward to this. I'm 24 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: really happy we're doing it. Yes, and I like that 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: you set the goal of a million people listening to it. 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I don't even think that's lofty. I think that's doable. 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: So we're gonna run with a million listeners and hope 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: that we make that happen. But really, we're so excited. 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: There are so many different aspects to the National Football League. 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: And there's the football and the stuff you see on 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: the field, of course, but there's so many other things 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: that kind of orbit around this world that is the 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: National Football League. So excited to be able to bring 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: a little glimpse of that to the fans and be 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: able to pull back the curtain on things that we discuss, 36 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: what our experiences are, and yes, a lot of the 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: people that we are privileged to interact with and have 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: conversations with really sharing that with the listeners. Hopefully there's 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: something for everybody on this show. A Titans fan, an 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: NFL fan, or just a person who likes good conversation. 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: We're going to have it all. Yeah, and I think 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: We come to it from two different perspectives too, which 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: is great. I mean, you know, I've been in this 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: league longer than you've been alive, and so I can 45 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: I can bring some perspective, and you bring a very 46 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: unique perspective to it. You've been you've been in the 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: in the National Football League for ten years, eleven years, 48 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: eleven years, eleven years, and so some nice perspectives. And 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: this is what why I was so excited about doing this, 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: because there is so much more than three hours and 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: ten minutes you see on television, so much more and 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: the people surrounding it. There are so many more people 53 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: involved than just the players and coaches on the field, 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: and it encompasses everybody and you and I've experienced all 55 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: of them. So that's what we'll do. This is gonna 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: be so much fun. And I think for our first 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: episode we should really just hop right into it because 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans are one and one and they are 59 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: coming off of a really exciting win in Seattle against 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. And I don't want to dwell on it 61 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: too much because you know, a lot of this stuff 62 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: has been talked about, but I do think that we 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: need to acknowledge how big of a win that was 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: and the momentum that it could potentially create for this 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: Titans team. As a coach, do you think it's important 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: to burn a game like that and move on really 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: quickly because there's a lot of emotion involved in that, 68 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: or do you kind of try to linger on some 69 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: of the key parts that were really good about it 70 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: and bring that into the next week. Well, key parts, 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to concentrate on what was 72 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: really good and what was really bad about it, because 73 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: that's what you have to clean up. But you don't 74 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: burn the win. You can't. You can't burn the win. 75 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: And especially it was an NFC game. We'd already lost 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: one game to an NFC team. We need to we 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: needed to win to win that ball game, because after 78 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: that ball game, we've got to stretch of AFC games. 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: And for our lists, I know they're they're smart enough 80 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: to know that AFC games count a lot more because 81 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: that's the way you win the tournament, first of all, 82 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: by being able to get in the tournament and by 83 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: winning your division in the AFC. And so that was 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: very important to get back on track. And so that 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: was it was a huge win. Now, what you cannot 86 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: do is dwell on the win and the euphoria of 87 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: the win so much that you lose sight of what's 88 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: of what is coming up, because what's coming up is 89 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: even bigger than that game. But it was very exciting, 90 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: really tough place to play. I've coached therefore, I think 91 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: twelve times. It's an opposing coach, it's it's it's an 92 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: accomplishment to win a game there, because first of all, 93 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: the team's good that you're playing. Second of all, the 94 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: atmosphere is second to none. The atmosphere is something that 95 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: we need to discuss a little bit. Because this was 96 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: my first time being at luman Field. I had never 97 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: experienced that, and honestly, I was a little hesitant to 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: really embrace the loudness of it all, you know. I 99 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: was I've been burned before when I'm promised, oh my gosh, 100 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: the atmosphere is crazy, and then it's kind of like 101 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: it's not that great. So I was guarded going into 102 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: this experience and kind of forgot about it, honestly, because 103 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: when I'm in the game, I have my little ears 104 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: in so I can hear the broadcast, and I'm kind 105 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: of focused on what I'm doing, and I ended up 106 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: getting a text message just hey, what is the atmosphere like? 107 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: And I kind of forgot about it. So I popped 108 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: my ears out for a series and I was just 109 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: listening to the crowd, and I will tell you what 110 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: it lived up to the hype. It was like, every 111 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: single down, every single play, was the most important third 112 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: down of the most intense playoff game you've ever been to, 113 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: and it could be a second down that within the 114 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things is a very little consequence, you know. 115 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: So they're bringing the energy, they're bringing that noise every 116 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: single play, and that is what was so impressive to me. 117 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: That the energy level only dropped when the Titans started 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: turning that game around. That's when it got quiet. Quiet. Yeah, 119 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: they're very sophisticated and they're engaged fans, and they are 120 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: from the start. They've always taken great pride and being 121 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the twelfth man, twelfth person, however you want to say, 122 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: and that stays Cannon Leaver to bring all the noise in. 123 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: It's the loudest outdoor stadium I've ever been in, and 124 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I've been in one or two and it was, I mean, 125 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: it was it is incredibly loud, and as just as you, 126 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: as a broadcaster had had to block it out, so 127 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: do the players and the coaches. But it's very challenging 128 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: because they don't stop. They do not stop the whole time, 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: and they're sophisticated enough to know when to really get loud, 130 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a it's a great environment. 131 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Always loved it as an opposing coach because it just 132 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: there's so much energy in there and you can feed 133 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: off of that energy, but you have to be able 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: to adjust to it and you have to be able 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: to manage it. Let's talk about some other things that 136 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans had to adjust to, and that's officiating. 137 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: If you have listened to Titans Radio pretty much ever 138 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: since Coach Mac has been here, you know his feelings 139 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: about officiating and officials, and I feel like they were 140 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: very involved in this game versus Seattle Seahawks. Two involved. Okay, see, 141 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: there we go, and it wasn't a big deal because 142 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans ended up pulling out the game in 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: the end, they got the win, so I mean, everything 144 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: is everything. However, they could have had a major impact 145 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: in the outcome of that game, major impact. And again, 146 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not against officials. In all the years I 147 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: was in the league, I got along very well with 148 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the officiating department. But what I want is I want 149 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: it's a professional game, so I want professional officiating, and 150 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: when I don't see it, just like you know, when 151 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: I was coaching, if I didn't see professional performance from 152 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: my players, I would call it out. And so as 153 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: a broadcaster now I will call this out because I 154 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: know the listeners. I've had so many listeners in the 155 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: last five seasons. Tell me, Mike, you're saying just what 156 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: we're thinking. And so this ball game, you are right. 157 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: They were too involved and there were some egregious calls 158 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: on both sides, But I don't care about if they 159 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: were egregious against the Seahawks, I don't care. But I 160 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: did care about the egregious calls against the Titans that 161 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: could have made a big difference in that game, because 162 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: that game was tight and there were some big difference 163 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: calls that were made that to me should not ever 164 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: have been an an issue. I mean, we had a 165 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: touchdown from Julio that, by the way, was a touchdown 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: that was called a touchdown. Then it went to New York, 167 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: where you've got two different people now doing the reviews 168 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: than they then wherever one of them, Peri fuel is 169 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: is an ext coach, he's not an official, so you 170 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: never know what they're going to do. Well, they reversed 171 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: that wrong, Okay, Then you have the safety on Russell 172 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Wilson at the end of the game, the end of 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: the game, game over all right, but they called him 174 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: forward progress out on the one wrong, all right, that's 175 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: the other one. And then the spot on third down 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: over there on the sideline away from the Titans bench, 177 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: that was that was critical because it was it was 178 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: down in the in the minus part of the field 179 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: for Seattle, and they would have had to have punt 180 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: from down there and uh, Sarah Thomas, the line judge, 181 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: she she marked it wrong, and so that would have 182 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: been that would have been an issue. You know. Now 183 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: they had a tawning call called on them. That was 184 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: a huge call in the game, now, taunting to me. 185 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: And in this they warns you that they were going 186 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: to call them. They've already called eleven of them in 187 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: this season right now. So when they say that they're 188 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: going to emphasize something, they mean it. You remember two 189 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: seasons aging they say we're going to emphasize holding, they 190 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: mean it, yes, So you've got to adjust your game 191 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: to that. Anyway, I love the officials, but I want 192 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: them to be professional about it. And that's very important. 193 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: And that professionalism, I guess there's a lot of different 194 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: ways to establish that. You need consistency, you need training, 195 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: you need all of those things, correct. I mean, it 196 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: is a hard stressful job. What they're being asked well, 197 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and it starts up at the top. It starts at 198 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: the people that are at the top over the officials, 199 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: because and these officials that we've changed a lot in 200 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the last five years. You had a lot of experienced 201 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: officials get out, You've had a lot of inexperienced people 202 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: come in. And so the people that are at the 203 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: top or what are important. So just as you said 204 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: that training can filter down, Well, it's interesting that you 205 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: mentioned the people at the top, Coach Mac, because our 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: guest is Mike Pereira, the former vice president of a 207 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: officiating for the National Football League, the best, the absolute best. 208 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: He doesn't do these things either. You know, I called 209 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: and asked we're doing a podcast with Titans Amien coach Mack. 210 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: He said, I'm in he's the best. But I know this, 211 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, because when I was a head coach, Jeff 212 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Fisher introduced me to him when I first, you know, 213 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: came into the league as a head coach, and I 214 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: could call him for anything, but he had control of it, 215 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: and he understood, and he could explain it in such 216 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: a great way that you that you understood, didn't always 217 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: agree with him, but at least you got an explanation 218 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: that made sense to you and you could see it, 219 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, through his eyes and then through the official's eyes. Plus, 220 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: he's a very good friend of mine because he's really 221 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: good at what he does. He's still really good at 222 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: what he does. But yeah, I was really excited when 223 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: Mike agreed to do this with us. And he's fantastic. 224 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: All right, let's check out our conversation with Mike Pereira. 225 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: He is the former vice president of Officiating for the 226 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: National Football League. He spent fourteen years with the NFL 227 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: and then he joined Fox Sports and he provides essential 228 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: commentary and analysis as an NFL in college football rules 229 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: and analysts. Pereira has also been involved in the game 230 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: of football since nineteen eighty two, when he started his 231 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: career as an NCAA Division One official. He spent fourteen 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: years as a college official before making the jump to 233 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: the pros and in addition to all of that, he's 234 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: also contributed to the sport off the field, launching battlefields 235 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: to ball fields in twenty seventeen. This specific foundation provides 236 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: scholarships to veterans and provides an opportunity for them to 237 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: integrate back into civilian life through officiating. So many awesome 238 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: things Mike Preira is doing, and we are so happy 239 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: to have you here with us today. Mike, thank you 240 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: for taking the time to be with us. Hey, listen, 241 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: it is my pleasure since day one when I first 242 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: met Coach Mack, like I was a fan like pretty 243 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: much everybody else. So it's just awesome to be with you. Now, 244 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: we've got to start with a little origin story. How 245 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: did Coach Mack and Mike Pereira get to know each other? 246 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: Let me jump in on that. We've got it. We've 247 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: got a real close friend in Jeff Fisher, both of 248 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: us and Jeff Fisher was on the competition committee you 249 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: know for over sixteen years when he was the head 250 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: coach of the National Football League and Mike Pereira has 251 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: always been an important part of the National Football League, 252 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: even before he became the vice president of Officiating. You know, 253 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: there are some guys, just like there are some players 254 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: and there are some coaches. Once they entered into the 255 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: National Football League, everybody understands these guys have got the 256 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: timber that it takes to go to the top. Well, 257 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: coaches always recognized that in Mike Pereira, when you know, 258 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: I think in nineteen ninety eight, Mike, I think I'm correct, 259 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: this is when you've got one of the senior official 260 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: positions in the league office. And then in two thousand, 261 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: when I became a head coach, the first guy I 262 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: called was Jeff Fisher, and one of my questions was, look, Fish, 263 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to need some help here as far as 264 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: being able to navigate as an interim head coach. And 265 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: then you know, later on, who do I call in 266 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: the league office that can help me navigate some of 267 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: these rule changes and some of that. He said, Mac, 268 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: there's only one person, Mike Perera and so, and then 269 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Jeff introduced me to Mike, and then he was right, 270 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, and if anybody meets Mike Pereira and I'm 271 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: not talking about just in the business. I'm talking about 272 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: just out. You just know there's something special about him. 273 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: So we've been very good friends for a long time, 274 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: both professionally and personally. And so the thing that that 275 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: that you know when you meet people like this in 276 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: the National Football League is that they are going to 277 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: be friends for life. And Mike Pereira is one of 278 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, you know, and I have to say 279 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: that you know you're right about friends for life if 280 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: you meet the right people. And coach Mac you know, 281 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is bad, but then I probably never 282 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: should say this, but obviously I got to know you 283 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and the Arizona Cardinal and and and 284 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: ahead of officiating, should never say this, but I knew 285 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: from day one that I wanted you to win, UM 286 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: and and you you kind of secretly, since I wasn't 287 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: on the field, you secretly kind of rooted for you. 288 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: You rooted for the nice guys, and and you fell 289 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: into that category with the nice guys like the Mike 290 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Riley's of the world that spent some time with the 291 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers, and and um, you know, you just 292 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: had that way about you where you weren't you were 293 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: You were sincere. Not to say that all coaches aren't sincere, 294 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: but they're not um you know, they they you know, 295 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: you know when they're talking to you as the head 296 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: of officiating, they're they're really trying to work you. And 297 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: and and you know you didn't take me long to 298 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: figure that out. And and Coach Mac, you were never 299 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: you were never like that. And you you treated me 300 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: not only with respect, but you treated me as a friend. 301 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: And and it's amazing. Out of the business for so long, 302 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: or at least you know, when we hadn't seen each 303 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: other for a long time, we ran into each other 304 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: at a hotel and whatever city was over dinner. You 305 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: guys were having dinner, your group, and and it was 306 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: like old time, I mean, like we had like we 307 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: were together the day before. And I could count on 308 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: one hand easily, I could count on one hand the 309 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: number of head coaches who have meant that much to me, 310 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: like you have that relationship that we have had, albeit 311 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: a relatively short one. I mean, I could easily do 312 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: it on one hand those coaches that I respect the most, 313 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: and you certainly want Tom, Well, that's very kind of you, Mike, 314 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: and again, you know the fillings mutual. Now, do all 315 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: head coaches have some sort of a direct line to 316 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the director of vice president of officiating. That seems like 317 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: a very high level to have to be dealing with 318 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: thirty two head coaches. Well it is, And as Bill 319 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Belichick one time told me, not only you're leading with 320 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: thirty two, but more importantly, you're dealing in a full week, 321 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: you're dealing with sixteen losing coaches. So unlike, unlike a 322 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: head coach who who wins and who gets the experience 323 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: of feeling the euphoria of winning, I had to deal 324 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: most of the time with sixteen losers and they don't 325 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: have a direct line, but it doesn't take them long 326 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: to get to me. I mean, they ended up having 327 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: my cell phone numbers, and so if they if they 328 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: really wanted to get to me, they could, you know. 329 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I learned early on the most valuable person in my 330 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: relationship with most coaches was his assistant in the office. 331 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: I would spend time with her because we developed friendships 332 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: that if like the situation when John Fox and Carolina, 333 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: I mean he would like be so mad on a 334 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: Monday morning. He'd come in the office and he'd screamed 335 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: to his assistant, get Pereira on the phone now. And 336 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: so she would she would dial a fake number into 337 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: the phone and then and then she would, you know, 338 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: wait for a second and then and then would say, hey, 339 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: he's not in the office, not in the office, but 340 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: he should be in the office at about noon. Um. 341 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: That's so by the time noon rolled around, he'd calmed down. 342 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: And so I loved those assistants. But you know, my 343 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: relationship with all of the coaches was really pretty good, 344 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: at least most of the coaches. And and it was 345 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: me that had to learn how to cultivate that relationship. 346 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: And it was very simple. And it's the same way 347 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: in any relationship, I guess anywhere. As I learned to 348 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: listen um, and I learned to u I learned to 349 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: understand the passion and the press sure that these coaches 350 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: are under and I knew that even though sometimes oftentimes 351 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: I would get blasted or yell at um, it was 352 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: never personal. It never was personal. It was frustration. And 353 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: we made mistakes. There's no doubt we make mistakes every week, 354 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: and you just you just learn how to listen and 355 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: and and honestly, it ended up to be kind of 356 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: a fun part of the job. Mike. Let I just 357 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: say this, and I'm so glad that you brought that 358 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: up because the interpersonal reactions you know from head coaches, 359 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: and you're right. I mean, we all know the pressures 360 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: in this business. And when you become a head coach 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: or you become senior vice president of officiating, I mean 362 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: you're at the top of the food chain, and so 363 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: the pressures there are very much. But I can tell 364 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: you this. You know, I've been in this league for 365 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: thirty five years now, and I know a lot of 366 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: people and everybody that I have ever interacted with, coaching 367 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: wise and head coaches, the former head coaches, you were 368 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: the person that they had the utmost respect for it 369 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: because there are some people that you know, just get it, 370 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: and you were able to explain things. And I'll say 371 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: this and and and you don't have to say it, 372 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: but I will. But as a head coach, sometimes you know, 373 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: your owner would come down to you after you you 374 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: know that you lost a game and would want to 375 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: know what's going on, what about this call? What about 376 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: that call? And you were able to navigate those waters. 377 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: But there is a reason, there is a reason that 378 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: you were the absolute best at what you did because 379 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: coaches trusted you. Coaches trusted you, and that's a big, 380 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: big thing. That's why the millions of viewers now that 381 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: watch Fox every when when you're on with with Troy 382 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: and and you guys and and and you guys are 383 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: talking through the game whenever your point comes up, these 384 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: millions of viewers the way that you you've got a 385 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: god given ability to explain it, and whether you agree 386 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: with it or not, you come away going that makes sense. 387 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: And so believe me, Well, that might be a coach 388 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: might that might be true for the viewers, But I 389 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: don't think that applied full on social media. I think 390 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: the Twitter people seem to never agree with me, and 391 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: the Twitter people love to take shots at me. But 392 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting when when we talk about the 393 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: coaches respect that they had for me, it's it's really 394 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: amazing how when I first started out in the office 395 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: in New York and in the head of officiating, I 396 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: would go to games and so I wouldn't actually talk 397 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: to coaches until at the very earliest Monday afternoon, and 398 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: most of the time it was Tuesday. And then as 399 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: I stayed in the office, and we set at the 400 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: command center. Then then all of a sudden, those conversations 401 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: happened on Monday morning instead of Tuesday morning or Monday afternoon. 402 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden when they got my 403 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: cell phone number. I don't even know how many times 404 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I talked to Jeff Fisher when he was in his 405 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: damn pickup truck on the way to his ranch after 406 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: the game, just after the game. And then the topper was, 407 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I had never had this happen. But I'm 408 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: watching the game. I'm watching a Seattle game. Jim Mora 409 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: is the coach, and I'm watching the game, and there's 410 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: two plays in the first half, a pass interference call 411 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: and a replay decision, and Seattle goes into the locker 412 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: room behind at halftime. And it was the only one 413 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: of two games I think that we had going on 414 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: at that time. And I walked to the conference room 415 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: to get a piece of cold pizza because it was halftime. 416 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: And as I'm walking there, I walked by my office 417 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: and my phone's ringing, and I thought, well, I looking, 418 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: it's a Seattle area code. So I pick it up 419 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and answer it. It's Jim Mora halftime screen even at 420 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: me about the two calls in the first half, and 421 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, going, you gotta be kidding you. Do you 422 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: realize that this half is only twelve minutes long? I mean, 423 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: do you think you know you're down by fourteen? Do 424 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: you want to make an adjustment or two? As opposed 425 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: to calling me and yelling at me? And since you've 426 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: called me, I agree the passenger fairs call was not 427 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a good call, but the replay decision was one hundred 428 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: percent right. And I just like when hung up the 429 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: phone and going, WHOA, too many people have my number 430 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: now that they could call me at halftime, but while 431 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm eating cold pizza and the offices in New York. 432 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: It was He was also the guy Mora when he 433 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: was the Atlanta He was the guy that basically showed me, 434 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: or at least got me to listen to the sound 435 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that a phone makes when it's been thrown and it's 436 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: been flying through the air. So you're that, you know, 437 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: before a crash against the wall. So many, so many 438 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: great conversations that that I had with coaches. Um, you know, 439 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: some good, some bad, but it was always very interesting. 440 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: Not only are you responsible for explaining what might have 441 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: happened during a game. But you have to implement the 442 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: new rules before a season starts, and that has to 443 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: go all the way from educating officials, educating owners, educating coaches, 444 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: educating players. How do you go through that process and 445 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: make sure that everybody is on the same page theoretically 446 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: before the season starts. Yeah, you know, but that was 447 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: an enjoyable part. Enjoyable part of it because I got 448 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: the opportunity to go visit with clubs and their entire 449 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: coaching staff and uh and and so you you got, 450 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, personal conversation, so you could get a little 451 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: bit more in depth than you know, the owners. The 452 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: owners were When rules get changed, they have to be 453 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: passed by ownership, and so ownership has to be in 454 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: the same room. So most of the time, I don't 455 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: think the owners really give a crap about the rules. 456 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: They just give a crap about the results and um, 457 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 1: and so they're not they're not that educated. And when 458 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: it comes to voting for the actual rule or voting 459 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: against it, Coach Mac, wouldn't you agree their head coach 460 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: is going to tell them what to do whether the 461 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: you're you're so spot on, I mean, you're absolutely and 462 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: that's so, that's the way it works. But you get 463 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: a general manager or two that seemed to be a 464 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,239 Speaker 1: little bit active one who here, you know, I'm at 465 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: the Hall of part of the Hall of Fame festivities 466 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: this year. And and you know, Bill Polian was was 467 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: was an irishman. That's a true irishman. He's like the 468 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: greatest guy when it's the off season. Um, but when 469 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: when in season he was a tyrant on the phone 470 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: to me and it was it was a weekly phone call. 471 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: And um, and and we we laugh about it now 472 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: and we laugh about the hard time that he gave me. 473 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: But um, but again it's uh, you know, I think 474 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: in a way, um, teaching people those teaching the players 475 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: and the coaches and then teaching them the rules. Um, 476 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: I think that was easy, or I shouldn't say easy, 477 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: But it wasn't as difficult as trying to teach the 478 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: media the rules because they think they already know them. 479 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: The people in the booth um, the common the analysts 480 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: and the play by play guys. Um. That's the one 481 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: thing when I was an official that frustrated me most 482 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: was listening to an ex head coach or an ex 483 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: quarterback or a play by play guy who's never officiated 484 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: in their life, and they're telling you how crappy you 485 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: are and how you blew this call and they have 486 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: no idea how difficult it is, and be half the time, 487 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: they didn't even know the rules that are being used 488 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: and when That's probably why I got hired at Fox, 489 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: because David Hill really wanted me to educate his own announcers. 490 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: I mean when they did. When they did, actually they 491 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: did surveys with their fans. The second most important things 492 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: that fans expected from the announcers were knowledge of the rules, 493 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: and it was woefully short. And so you know, I 494 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: now treat our announcers at Fox. I treat them like officials. 495 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: We do weekly training tapes both for our NFL crews 496 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: and our ncub A cruise. And I'm a little bit 497 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: partial right now, but I think that our announcers are 498 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: better in terms of rules knowledge than any other of 499 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: the networks. But I mean it's fun. I mean, I've 500 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: learned now that you know that commentators want to be right, 501 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: but they haven't studied the rulebook for forty some odd 502 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: years like I have, so you can't expect them to 503 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: be right. So that's my job is to educate them. 504 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: But I'm smart enough coach man, not to over educate them, 505 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: because if I over educate them, then I cost myself 506 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, well you'll never You'll never cost yourself 507 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: a job. I've got one more for you, and then 508 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go because you've got a game 509 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: to do tonight that we're all going to be watching 510 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: us talking about rules. I remember, I mean you you were, 511 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: you were in charge, you know where the officiating cruise 512 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: and the year that the tuck rule happened. And then 513 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: at the at the owner's meeting when you explained the 514 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: tuck rule to the whole group, because you know, Amy 515 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: Trask was with the Raiders at the time and she 516 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: brought she brought a football in there and said, just 517 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: explain this to me. I was so impressed. But the 518 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: way that you were able to disarm that whole volatile 519 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: situation in front of Look and if people have never 520 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: been to well let them inside a little bit. When 521 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: we were letting them people on the inside. They've never 522 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: been to an owners meeting. It was head coaches, it 523 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: was owners and then it was you know, and you 524 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: get one chance in an open session for everybody to 525 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: bring their thoughts there, and can you just tell us 526 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: out a little bit, because I was so impressed with you. 527 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I wanted to start a standing 528 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: ovation going, this is amazing that he could do that. 529 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, you know, the funny thing is coached 530 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: this This whole thing starts when I'm actually sitting in. 531 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: This play happens when I'm in Saint Louis. And I 532 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: was in Saint Louis for a playoff game, and I 533 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: was watching the game and it was in New England, 534 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: and I was in my hotel room, and to me, 535 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: there's something beautiful about football in the snow. I mean, 536 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: it's the it's quiet, I mean, and it's just spectacular. 537 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: And I thought that game was really great and I 538 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: was enjoying it so much. And I did happen to 539 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: have a bottle of wine, and so as the game 540 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: went on, I mean, I popped that bottle of wine, 541 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: and I probably, I'm gonna say I was probably two 542 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: thirds the way it drew that bottle of wine when 543 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: that play happened. And so I'm I'm a little looped, 544 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: and this play happens, and I'm thinking, I see the 545 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: play happen and I go Fumble Raiders recover games over 546 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and then the first replay, I went, oh, no, this 547 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: is the tuck rule. Wow, they're going to reverse this 548 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: to an incomplete pass. And I said, I'm looking at 549 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: my phone on the bed and going, my phone is 550 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: going to erupt when they changed this, and so and 551 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: they walk. Pollman makes the announcement that you know that 552 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: it was an incomplete pass, and I mean, within fifteen seconds, 553 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: my phone started to go nuts. And it's probably good 554 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: that I had consumed two thirds because because I was 555 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: pretty calm as I was talking to the commissioner and 556 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: I was talking to the head of PR for the NFL, 557 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: Grey Guyello, who said, you better be prepared, and who 558 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: said they're gonna tomorrow you need to go on ESPN 559 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: before the game and explain this touch rule. Um so um, 560 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: that's a rule that you know. By the time that 561 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: weekend was over, I knew that rule probably better than 562 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: any rule in the book. And of course, in the 563 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: owners beating Amy Um who actually Amy Trask, who is 564 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: now with CBS, we became really pretty close friends. But 565 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't that way for a while. But it's 566 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: just it was the rule that everybody thought that we 567 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: made up the rule, and then everybody in the raider 568 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: sent me a fact which is just a picture, and 569 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: what they still picture it never gives you the story. 570 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's to this day that I 571 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: still do hear about that, and it still does come 572 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: up once in a while. But you know, if you 573 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: ask about these two plays maybe that have had the 574 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: most impact in my career, it's that one, and then 575 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: maybe it was the Calvin Johnson incomplete pass to start 576 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: the two thousand and ten season, which was the first 577 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: time that I went on television to try to explain 578 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: what the genes territory an instant replay was gonna do 579 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: if they were gonna leave it to an incomplete pass, 580 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: which they ended up ruling on the field. I said 581 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: they would, and they did, and after they picked me 582 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: up off the floor and the studios in New York 583 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: because I was so I was so nervous during that 584 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: whole thing. Those two plays probably had the biggest impact 585 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: on these two parts of my career. Mike Pereira, this 586 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: those story right there, that it's why you are the 587 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: absolute best. And I say that with all sincerity. And 588 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: you know you've already said that we were friends. But 589 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: even if we weren't, this is the beauty of Mike Pereira. 590 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: You can explain things and get it down to the level. Mike, 591 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: you just don't know how much we appreciate what you've done. 592 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: We know you've got to go to work. Amy's going 593 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: to wrap this up, but let's talk again. I know, well, 594 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I'll see you during the season, but this is I 595 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: look forward to that. You are the best. Mike. We 596 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: cannot thank you enough for spending some time with us. 597 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: We're definitely going to be calling you during the season 598 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: because we're probably going to have some questions. Yeah, I'm 599 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: sure you probably will. But the difference, the difference, Amy, 600 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: is this, Um, I do get a lot of calls 601 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: during the season. I do get a lot of requests 602 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: during the season, and usually it's a reaction to something 603 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: that happened badly. UM, you know, to to the broadcast station. 604 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: But uh, but I and and so I'm I've gotten good. 605 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: They've gotten good at knowing how to duck those But um, 606 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: but I will never duck your calls. UM. Anytime you 607 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: want me to come on, I will be happier to do. 608 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: So awesome, Mac, that was fantastic. Or told you it's 609 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: going to be. It's true, You're not wrong. I told 610 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: you it was going to be because he's so professional. 611 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: Plus he just he understands, he gets it from all 612 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: different aspects. And now you know he's the number one 613 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: guy Fox, you know, with Troy Aikman and Joe Buck. 614 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he is. He is just the best. He 615 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: really is. But he's the best because he understands it 616 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: and he can explain it. And also he's he's he 617 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: never wavers, he never wavers, and it's just so fantastic 618 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: to have him on. And I know our listeners really 619 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: love listening to him. Plus what great stories and they're 620 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: all true and they're all true. And then that's what's 621 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna be so good about this Titan's Amy Coach Mick Podcast. 622 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Anybody we bring on here is going to talk to 623 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: us because we're gonna have people that don't normally do 624 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: these things, and so when they get on, they're just 625 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna talk like they're talking to us, and now they 626 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: can talk to a million listeners. A million listeners. Wow, 627 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: I love that number. Every time you say it, it 628 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: sounds good to me. You know what else sounds good? 629 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: Farm bureau health plans. Don't get sacked by the high 630 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: cost of healthcare. Make farm bureau health plans your first 631 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: line of protection. They've been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen 632 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: forty seven, Coach Mack, we got to move on here 633 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: because is Colts Week. The Indianapolis Cults are coming to 634 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: Nissan Stadium this Sunday. I'm so excited for a division 635 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: game because division games they just mean more. They have 636 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: that energy to them. And the Titans and Colts have 637 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: an interesting history because did you know the last five 638 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: matchups between these two teams, the road team has won 639 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: in the last five matchups. That's odd, right, Well, it's odd, 640 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: and I do know it because I was here. But 641 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: the thing the thing about it is, and you emphasize it, 642 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: but that that that points out to Let me say 643 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: this about the importance of that. Whenever you win a 644 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: road division game, it's like winning two games because you 645 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: steal that game at their place and then you've got 646 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: them at your place. And so that's that's important. And 647 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: the division games always mean more, and especially now with 648 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: the more teams that are in the playoffs. Now we've 649 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: got a seventeen week regular season. You've got to win 650 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: your division games. I mean that's extremely important. When you're 651 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: in the AC You've got to win your division games. 652 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: You've got to win your AFC games because that's the 653 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: way you get into the tournament. And this Indianapolis game, 654 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: this has always been, always been eight and now five. 655 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: This is a This is the twelfth one I've been 656 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: in involved in, uh No. Thirteen that's West Texas math, 657 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: the thirteen of them. It's always interesting. I mean it 658 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: really is, because I mean the old saying we had 659 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: in West Texas when you have two opponents like this 660 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: get together, it's blood on the moon because you go 661 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: at it, and these guys are they're going to go 662 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: at it. So how do the Titans change that narrative, 663 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: get that win at home and start off their division 664 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: play on the right foot. Well, they've got it. They've 665 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: got it. They've got to start like they finished up 666 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: there in Seattle, and Seattle is already in the books. 667 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: That's past. But you have to you have to understand 668 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: that to be able to do this, you've got to 669 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: stay true to your character. And your character is you're 670 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: a physical football team, and you've got to be able 671 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: to impose that will on your on your opponent and 672 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: at the same time, defensively, you've got to keep your 673 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: oponents from having explosive plays. I mean, that's going to 674 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: be very, very big. They did a nice job on 675 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: third down up there, and see Ottle, you got to 676 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: continue that. That's got to be a weekly thing in 677 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: the National Football League, And really it doesn't really matter 678 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: once you start playing division games as to what the 679 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: records are. It's a different type of a thing. And 680 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: this is going to be good this week. Now. A 681 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: little wildcard here, a little asterisk to this whole thing 682 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: is the Indianapolis Cults are struggling with the injury bug 683 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. They are hurting, for lack of a 684 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: better term, there's question marks in a lot of different positions. 685 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: How is that going to impact the preparation for both teams? Well, 686 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: the Tides have had their injury issues also, so the 687 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 1: National Football League, you'r chance of being injured or somebody's 688 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: going to be out and then you have to have 689 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 1: somebody step up. We had it last week. They also 690 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: had it last week, So you really don't don't concern 691 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: yourself with who's not playing. You have to really concern 692 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: yourself with who is playing. And that's that's part of 693 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: having an active roster. That the person that has to 694 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: stay up up and fill a starter role, then he's 695 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: a starter. I mean, that's just the way it is. 696 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: And so that's what you have to do. The thing 697 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: is going to be unusual about this, Aimy is the 698 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: quarterback situation up there at Indy. I mean, we could 699 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 1: see one of three, you know, and and and they 700 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: will keep that quiet till the end that all three 701 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: of them are are different. But for the Titans, they 702 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: will prepare for every one of them, and then they 703 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: will be ready because you never assume anything of your opponent, 704 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: and so you prepare for all of them, and all 705 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks. Now, the base of their offense is 706 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: going to stay the same, but the play from the 707 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: quarter back position might be different depending on who's playing. 708 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: The word that gets thrown around a lot, especially amongst fans, 709 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: is trap game. This could be a trap game. The 710 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: cults are oh and two, they're coming in here. They're 711 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: a little banged up. Tell me why this is not 712 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: a trap game. Well, it's not a trap game. Till 713 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: you get beat. I mean that's just the way it is. 714 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just you know, and and and I 715 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: think the reason is is because you know, they're people 716 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: believe and and and they have some merit to it. 717 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: Is it coming off a big, big time win, especially 718 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: when you travel across the country, you know, are you 719 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: going to be able to emotionally get back to that 720 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: peak you know that you ended with you know in 721 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: your last ball game that was a tremendous victory. Well, 722 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: what you've got to do, as players and coaches in 723 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: a locker room is is you know, start to simmer 724 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: it down. You can celebrate there at the game in 725 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: the locker room, but then then it's you start to 726 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: level it back down and then start to bring the 727 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: level back up because the reality of it is this game, 728 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: this game is the most important game. And so you know, 729 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: I can understand where the theory comes in as far 730 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: as a trap game, because what people when they say that, 731 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: they say the devastation of not being able to continue 732 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: what you have started. That is the problem. All right, 733 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: So as I say it's not a trap till you lose? 734 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: Are there keys to victory? Mac that stick out to 735 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: you right away. Yeah, no explosive plays for Indy. That 736 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: that's big to me. I mean it's going to be 737 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: big because that has been that has been the one 738 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: Achilles hilt so far in two weeks. This defense has 739 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: given up explosive plays. They've played in good stretches. But 740 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, because everybody's so even amy, 741 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: explosive plays can sometimes be the seesaw tipper, and so 742 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: we've got to stay away from that. The other thing 743 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: is in this ball game, field position is going to 744 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: be big. And so the kicking game, kick coverage game, 745 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: and kick return game, you know both. You know, the 746 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: kickoffs are not a lot of kickoffs returned the National 747 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: Football League unless they kick it short to make you 748 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: return it. But the punt game, you've got to be 749 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: able to win the hitting yardage when you play you're 750 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: playing a game like this. And then the other thing 751 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: that you have to be able to do is when 752 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: you're playing this type of a defense, you need to 753 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: possess the ball against them. You can't let them start 754 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: getting on a roll of getting you three and out, 755 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: three and out, three and out, because that that generates 756 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: momentum and that gives them more chances to try more 757 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: things on offense against you. Mac. Another thing that's happening 758 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: at Nissan Stadium this week, While the Colts game is 759 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: very important, it is also Oilers Tribute Week, which is 760 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: a really awesome thing that Amy Adams Strunk is spearheading. 761 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: She's bringing in former Oilers into Nashville and is celebrating 762 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: them for the weekend. We've been seeing all kinds of 763 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: things on social media kind of recognizing the Oilers and 764 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: this franchise's history, and now we're going to see it 765 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And the whole thing is headlined by bum 766 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: Phillips being put into the Ring of Honor at Nissan Stadium. 767 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: So many awesome things. So I wanted to ask you, 768 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: seeing that you've been in the National Football League for 769 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: nine hundred and eighty four years, longer than you've been alive. 770 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I haven't been alive for nine hundred and 771 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: eighty four years. What are your memories of the Houston Oilers. 772 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: You're a Texas guy, You've been around the league for 773 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: a long time. Tell me about the Houston Oilers and 774 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: coach Max Well the Houston I was an Oilers fan 775 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: because they were the other team other than the Cowboys. 776 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now with my throwback Oilers oil 777 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: Derek Blue hat. In nineteen sixty nine, when I was 778 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: just getting ready to grab wait from high school, I 779 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: was at a summer camp in Hunt, Texas, Camp Stewart. 780 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: The people that owned it were big University of Texas people. 781 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: They were recruiting me, you know, And so we went 782 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: to the Oilers had a had their training camp at 783 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: Shriner Institute in Kerrville, Texas. And so they said would 784 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: you like to go? We could get you in. I said, 785 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: would I like to go? And so I went up there. 786 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: They had Charlie Toler, they had all the group. I 787 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: mean it was great. Now think about that a minute. 788 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm probably the only one that's on this million people 789 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: that are listening that was ever at the Oilers training 790 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: camp in nineteen sixty nine at Shriner Institute in Kerrville, Texas. 791 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: I love what Amy Adams Strunk is doing with this. 792 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they are a huge part that is a 793 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: foundation of this franchise. The players that are coming in 794 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: are fabulous. I can't wait to see him talk to them. One. 795 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: I really want to see Mike Renfro's Frog. You know 796 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: that caught the pass against the Steelers in the playoff 797 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: game that wasn't touchdown, talking about bad officiating that they 798 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: called it no full circle and so anyway, I'm so 799 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: happy that we're doing this and putting bum Phillips into 800 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor is so appropriate. Amy Adam Strunk 801 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: is just she hits all the right notes, you know, 802 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: in as far as to what she's doing. It's gonna 803 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: be a big weekend. I'm looking forward to it. And 804 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: for Amy, it's so important that these former players who 805 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: are part of the Oilers franchise feel like they have 806 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: a home. They kind of haven't had a resting place 807 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: in a long time because the Oilers aren't really a 808 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: part of Texans history. They came here, they don't really 809 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,479 Speaker 1: associate all of the time with Nashville in this city. 810 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: So to give them a place and to say that 811 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: we recognize you, we feel like you are the foundation 812 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: of this organization is really cool. And I'm so excited 813 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: to get everybody out to Nissan Stadium really spend the 814 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: day recognizing them. I know there's so many cool things 815 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: planned for the game in the stadium, So come on 816 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: out to Nissan Stadium. It's gonna be a fun game, 817 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be intense, and we're going to be recognizing 818 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: the foundation of this Titans franchise. Yeah, as I say, 819 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: I just I'm so excited about it. And again just 820 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: another big plus check mark for Amy Adam Strung and 821 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: what she's doing with this franchise. Plus the Ring of 822 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: Honor is redesigned and it looks very cool. It's really cool. Yeah, 823 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: it's really cool. And the thing that's cool about it 824 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: is it's it's so much better than it was. It's 825 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: really nice. And this is going to be temporary too. 826 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: You know, when they start to reconfigure it, it'll be 827 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,839 Speaker 1: even cooler. I'm telling you what. We are just making 828 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: games here for the Tennessee Titans, including adding this new podcast, Mac. 829 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm fired up about this. I'm so excited about the 830 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast and all million of 831 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: our listeners, our million listeners will not to be disappointed 832 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: every week, Promise you for Amy Wells Titans, Amy and 833 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: Coach Mac. Dave McGinnis, thank you so much for listening 834 00:44:48,960 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: to the Titans Amy and Coach Mac podcast based Basta 835 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: be