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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast What Am I Doing with My life?
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. You're supporting the
Speaker 1: troops money. My name is Dan Hanserson joined in the
Speaker 1: room filled with hero as Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosen thought, what is up? Boys? Hey? Dan, I
Speaker 1: think that's a very healthy thing to just circle back
Speaker 1: to maybe every other week. What am I doing with
Speaker 1: my life? Every other week? Hourly every night before bid West?
Speaker 1: How you doing, buddy? You're trooper. We got a text
Speaker 1: from you earlier this morning that you were had all
Speaker 1: sorts of medical issues, you were dealing with um and
Speaker 1: yet you're here grinding. Yeah. I went to uh, my
Speaker 1: cancer doctor yesterday. My scans are, to quote him, beautiful,
Speaker 1: just beautiful excellent party music. But I've come down with
Speaker 1: a bad quote, and it's made worse by a hiatol
Speaker 1: hernia that I've been dealing with as an after effect
Speaker 1: of the surgery. Is that in the butt. No, it's
Speaker 1: a theosophagus stummach diaphragm region. Why did you need to
Speaker 1: go there with the diagnosis because I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 1: so I didn't know what that meant. But I just
Speaker 1: had a hunch, you know, like I was watching Jeopardy.
Speaker 1: Jeopardy James is back with the Tournament of Champions, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you just blurred out the first thing that comes
Speaker 1: to your mind, and it's right. I thought that was
Speaker 1: about the butt. It was wrong, because you're usually wrong
Speaker 1: and changely almost always. With Dan, the first thing that
Speaker 1: comes out of his mind is the butt. Hernie's hernie
Speaker 1: is usually are not associated with the but um. So
Speaker 1: you're hanging in there, buddy, and you are. That's leadership.
Speaker 1: Yeah to dealing with my heine hernia. A lot happening
Speaker 1: right out of the game. Uh, you're a warrior. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's what I would call you. Thank you. Today's
Speaker 1: show good one. We are going to dig into the
Speaker 1: news and catch up on the uh big Colin Kaepernick news. Also,
Speaker 1: a NFL owner speaks out. He's getting impatient and the
Speaker 1: goat Greg, as you refer to him as many others,
Speaker 1: Number twelve, he's an unhappy a little bit upset. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that. Um. Speaking of unhappy and upset, we're
Speaker 1: bringing it back, maybe for one show only. Stick a
Speaker 1: fork in him reboot and Greg, I know that why
Speaker 1: don't you use the floor here to share your rambling
Speaker 1: soliloquy the floor you were using downstairs delivered to Mark
Speaker 1: and I, Um, you know that this was killed. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: you said though that the hook this time is if
Speaker 1: if we get any wrong, we're gonna kill it. And
Speaker 1: I said that was the hook. That was the huck.
Speaker 1: When we killed that, Greg, you heard like a drawer
Speaker 1: open up and he pulled out his notes and he
Speaker 1: was like reading almost like some type of like stenographers
Speaker 1: notes from seven years ago. In the newsroom. We didn't
Speaker 1: remember that. Mark and I. We thought it was what
Speaker 1: the rules were were if we got any teams wrong,
Speaker 1: and if you're newer to the show, when you stick
Speaker 1: a fork in a team, if uh, we declare that
Speaker 1: team has no chance of making the playoffs, their season
Speaker 1: is effectively over if they if they come back to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, we would then on Greg well, Greg
Speaker 1: would do it because he was the boss at the time.
Speaker 1: He would make a charitable donation to that's the team
Speaker 1: city we did in behalf of the We got it.
Speaker 1: I think we did it three or four years and
Speaker 1: we were there's only one year that we actually got right.
Speaker 1: We were wrong in all the rest and you guys
Speaker 1: were annoyed that year. I remember too, because we played
Speaker 1: it to say, I know, I think it makes sense. Now,
Speaker 1: this is what our seventh season together. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like the seventh season of you know, Friends, or any
Speaker 1: long running sitcom. It's like, hey, what's that idea we
Speaker 1: had back in season two that people like, let's circle
Speaker 1: back to that. You have their receipts for those charitable contributions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd like to see. I remember tracking that effectively actually
Speaker 1: remembers always the Red Cross. It's always the Red Cross
Speaker 1: in converse to the Supreme Court. If we have to
Speaker 1: get these financials cracks for Greg Um. No, this is
Speaker 1: we've We've also talked about this before. Greg. We've don't
Speaker 1: done too many of these shows. This is what like
Speaker 1: introducing the step child that's five years old and you know,
Speaker 1: precocious on a sitcom in that season seven about episode
Speaker 1: one D some of the kids originally in the show
Speaker 1: or in puberty at this point, and it's not as
Speaker 1: cute to be confused with young Sheldon, which was just
Speaker 1: that's a whole separate. That's a great idea, bringing the ginger.
Speaker 1: That's what they do. There must be some perfect science
Speaker 1: behind all that, because you h are these kids when
Speaker 1: they're like four or five, how do you know they're
Speaker 1: not going to grow up to look hideously on It happens,
Speaker 1: So it's happened typically not though, I mean like some
Speaker 1: of these child actors grow up looking now then they
Speaker 1: leave acting and they get arrested, they have like face
Speaker 1: tattoos and stuff. But we're going to replace you with
Speaker 1: Ted McGinley to save the show. Anyway, greg Um, just
Speaker 1: make one promise, that's all, Greg that you will you
Speaker 1: will play the stick of stick of work in the game.
Speaker 1: I'll play in good faith, absolutely. I always that was.
Speaker 1: I always played it, you know the way I wanted
Speaker 1: to play it. I don't I don't think you would
Speaker 1: submarine the game. But but now I have your word
Speaker 1: on it. Thursday night football preview Indie at Houston. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a good one with huge ramifications in the a
Speaker 1: f C South. But before we do that, let's close
Speaker 1: out week eleven with a little Monday night football. Yes, Espanola,
Speaker 1: let it again, Rivers of Quarto Lano, Phannip Rivers. Fourth
Speaker 1: interception by Philip Rivers. You're fluent, fluent. That was great.
Speaker 1: Do we know who called that? Riggy? People that know
Speaker 1: Spanish with the call from Mexico City. Philip Rivers intercepted
Speaker 1: by a ball hawk Chiefs the events four times and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs hold on seventeen over the Chargers at a
Speaker 1: raucous Azteca Stadium, sight of some of the great soccer
Speaker 1: matches in the history of the sport. You've got the
Speaker 1: accent down. I'll give you that. Espanol Azteca Studio Studios,
Speaker 1: Stecca Steca. Um. Yeah. So this was a game where
Speaker 1: you expected, uh, you know, big scoring, potentially Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: against Philip Rivers. It didn't work out that way because,
Speaker 1: first of all, the Chiefs barely had the ball it
Speaker 1: felt like, in the first half, and the Chargers went
Speaker 1: up and down the field and did what the Chargers do.
Speaker 1: Charger is gonna charge. Are found ways to kick away
Speaker 1: multiple scoring opportunities, Gregg in the first half, um the
Speaker 1: Chiefs go on a roll, they get ahead, the Chargers
Speaker 1: battle back, but Rivers kept on making mistakes, and you
Speaker 1: wonder if this is a game you remembers kind of
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end of the Philip Rivers era
Speaker 1: in Chargers Land. It's been a tough year for Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: You know, he's had terrible protection, which has been the
Speaker 1: case for most of his career, especially this week. You
Speaker 1: know you're without both starting tackles. You have a third
Speaker 1: round pick, Tray Pipkins, and he tried to almost refuse
Speaker 1: to play early in the season. He's getting destroyed by
Speaker 1: Frank Clark. But ultimately Rivers has made too many of
Speaker 1: these is big time mistakes. Each week. There's been one
Speaker 1: or two plays each week for Rivers that has really
Speaker 1: put his team in a tough spot. And this was
Speaker 1: a game where his defense played lights out and really
Speaker 1: gave the Chargers often. So you can blame Rivers, you
Speaker 1: can blame the play calling. Everything about the Chargers offense
Speaker 1: failed and it's so Chargers because for most of the year,
Speaker 1: the offense was carrying them and so whenever like one
Speaker 1: side of the ball plays well, the other doesn't. They
Speaker 1: had the ball within i think the thirty yard line
Speaker 1: four times in the first half and they had you know,
Speaker 1: six or nine points and they just could not make
Speaker 1: the big play what they needed to. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: up until the Packers game. Through that Packers game, he
Speaker 1: was playing well despite having the two worst set of
Speaker 1: tackles in the league blocking for him, and then the
Speaker 1: last two weeks it's mostly on him. Last night was
Speaker 1: mostly on him. Frank Clark beat Trey Pipkins on that
Speaker 1: strip sack that might have been ruled in interception was um.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I thought it was on Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy struggling to complete throws that coming
Speaker 1: from Philip Rivers. It was kind of stunning and shocking
Speaker 1: to watch. And I mean, we all kind of have
Speaker 1: been through this journey with aging quarterbacks and it's not
Speaker 1: the beauties though he did at the end, did at
Speaker 1: the end, but there were still just certain plays where
Speaker 1: you can just see something shifting with Philip Rivers. And
Speaker 1: it's not the final season of Brett Favre, which was
Speaker 1: incredibly painful to watch over those final five or six games.
Speaker 1: But you just when these quarterbacks hit the end, sometimes
Speaker 1: it happens fast, and it happens quick, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're here from Steve weish that the Chargers certainly are
Speaker 1: a team that you know, the mindset will soon become
Speaker 1: we need to think about this position, and they've thought
Speaker 1: about it in years past. Two He also he got
Speaker 1: credited with four a little bit unfair on the strips
Speaker 1: act to hit him with the interception, but then he
Speaker 1: also threw up a balloon uh that was should have
Speaker 1: been intercepted but was lost in the lights by Honey
Speaker 1: Badger I leave. So it was just that type of
Speaker 1: game where that was that was actually that's a great
Speaker 1: example though. That was one where that's to me, that's
Speaker 1: not on Rivers they got, they got. That was another
Speaker 1: play where Frank Clark beat Pipkins in two and a
Speaker 1: half seconds and even rivers when he got to the
Speaker 1: back of his drop, it looked like maybe Pipkins had
Speaker 1: a chance, and Clark beat him so fast that you
Speaker 1: you can't even like account for that. And he hits
Speaker 1: his art well and he gets picked off, but he's
Speaker 1: not playing. He's not playing. Did you not see throws
Speaker 1: from Rivers that were problematic? And of course he has
Speaker 1: fourteen interceptions that just second only to Jamis Winston in
Speaker 1: the league. This year. His QBR is forty six, with
Speaker 1: ranks twenty three amongst quarterbacks. It is he's always been
Speaker 1: kind of a throwback guy, and maybe he is, like
Speaker 1: you know, he's not the type of guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to play until he's forty. He's more like
Speaker 1: what most NFL quarterbacks were for fifty years that once
Speaker 1: you get to thirty seven, thirty eight, like Eli Manning,
Speaker 1: like so many peyton and he's he's the quarterback especially
Speaker 1: that needs past protection. You gotta give the Chiefs defense
Speaker 1: credit though, even though they did give up three hundred
Speaker 1: yards in the first half, this is a top five
Speaker 1: past defense according to Football Outsiders. They've made a lot
Speaker 1: of players on the ball all year. They've been a
Speaker 1: tough team to throw agains. That's why I'm surprised the
Speaker 1: Chargers didn't run more, uh throughout the game, because they
Speaker 1: were making hay when they wanted to run. And yet
Speaker 1: everything about you know, Rivers, that's the conversation after the game.
Speaker 1: To me, it's secondary. We can kind of stick a
Speaker 1: fork in them. I'm sure we will later. They're done
Speaker 1: for the year. To me, my biggest takeaway is what's
Speaker 1: up with the Chiefs offense. That's the worst game I've
Speaker 1: ever seen out of Patrick Mahomes uh in terms of
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes Chief's offense, and every week when you think
Speaker 1: they're finally turning it around, then they lose Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: right away, they lose Damien Williams right away, and they
Speaker 1: can't get anything going. They punted four times in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. It was a disastrous fourth quarter where the
Speaker 1: only thing they could do was get Mahomes to scramble
Speaker 1: for a first down or else they had no answers,
Speaker 1: which was to me, it was shocking. It was shocking
Speaker 1: the sea I can keep a running back healthy and
Speaker 1: with a hot hand. I thought one of the great
Speaker 1: signs for the Chiefs was that Mahomes looked good scrambling.
Speaker 1: He looked like normal Patrick Mahomes and some of those
Speaker 1: throws he made to Travis Kelsey were beautiful. But but
Speaker 1: Greg's right, that was not one of the better Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes games. It doesn't help. That's someone like Sammy Watkins
Speaker 1: essentially refuses to step up when a Tyreek Hill is
Speaker 1: off the field. I won't do it. Well, there were six,
Speaker 1: maybe it was Mexico. You know, they were just so conservative.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, this is one of the great offenses
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, and I'm not used to seeing long stretches,
Speaker 1: which is the first three or four drives of the
Speaker 1: game and then the last four drives of the game
Speaker 1: where they just do absolutely nothing and they're not playing
Speaker 1: the Bears here. Let me do the half glass full.
Speaker 1: They had every excuse there laid out to find a
Speaker 1: way to lose that game. On the road to Mexico City,
Speaker 1: Mahomes throws for the fewest amount of yards a D
Speaker 1: and eighty two that he's ever had in a game
Speaker 1: that he finished. You had, as we said, Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: went out, Damian Williams Lashawn McCoy leaves with a concussion.
Speaker 1: Field was a problem for both. You couldn't go side
Speaker 1: to side, and they found a way and they did
Speaker 1: it because their defense. Um, like you said, with Frank
Speaker 1: Clark in the secondary making plays. So it's good to
Speaker 1: see that this team could win sometimes when they don't
Speaker 1: have everything clicking on offense, which they didn't. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. They are, i think a more complete team
Speaker 1: defensively than they were a year ago. And that was
Speaker 1: certainly Clark's best game of the year. He's been coming on.
Speaker 1: He did not start the season well, but he's been
Speaker 1: coming on. He had a bad nerve issue in his
Speaker 1: neck that was affecting the way he was playing. And
Speaker 1: to your point, Mark Sammy Watkins, Yeah, he's the greatest
Speaker 1: tease of the decade. I think in terms of the
Speaker 1: wide receiver he made. He made at least one play
Speaker 1: last but he was supposedn't a zero across the box score.
Speaker 1: But it's like you'd like to see when they have
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, when they have Kelsey, and when they have
Speaker 1: a one running back plugged in and making huge plays.
Speaker 1: What you've seen a couple of times, they're unstoppable. But
Speaker 1: when when you're leaning on one of the three year
Speaker 1: in hot Water and Travis Kelsey, after a quiet first half,
Speaker 1: he had a monster second half, you kind of need
Speaker 1: your big guys to step up. Some of those were
Speaker 1: amazing and and part of it is listening to the
Speaker 1: players after the game. I mean they they're dying. I mean,
Speaker 1: did the elevation just changes that game for everyone? And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was because the Chargers you know,
Speaker 1: practiced in Colorado or not, but they did come out
Speaker 1: in the first half and they were running the Chiefs
Speaker 1: up and down the field west and I locked that
Speaker 1: game and I I thought they the Chiefs do not
Speaker 1: deserve to be in this game at halftime. They were
Speaker 1: given a lot of uh chances by a sloppy Chargers team,
Speaker 1: and that's why you pick against the Chargers. But the
Speaker 1: chief Chiefs had a chance to get run out of
Speaker 1: the building in the first half and it just didn't happen.
Speaker 1: That's another sweep for the Heroes. In the picks we're
Speaker 1: starting to I would bet work around a seven percentage
Speaker 1: in the last month or so. So yeah, the way
Speaker 1: a team surges, you know, close to Thanksgiving and after
Speaker 1: that is what this team is to means Patriots esque
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now with our picks. Any other
Speaker 1: thoughts on the game, Jone, I have a long, long
Speaker 1: and I'm just kidding. Great timing for the Chiefs. By
Speaker 1: the way, even if things don't seem like they're clicking
Speaker 1: for this team, and maybe this isn't the year. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is. Who knows, by perfect timing for this bye,
Speaker 1: and then when they come out of the bye, they
Speaker 1: get the Raiders, so then they get the Patriots, so
Speaker 1: they they have a really interesting schedule. And I think
Speaker 1: tyreeks Tyreek Hill's health. I think they were cautious with
Speaker 1: him knowing they had the bye coming in these big
Speaker 1: games because he's not a jener piece, because they can
Speaker 1: still run their obins, but they are just not the
Speaker 1: same without him. What happened to the September version of
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Robinson, right, he's disappeared. They were so considering. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never wanted to criticize Andy Reid for
Speaker 1: being conservative, but the play calling at the end of
Speaker 1: the game, they were just counting on their defense to
Speaker 1: win it. They were they were expecting Philip Rivers to
Speaker 1: give them the game, and ultimately they were right. You
Speaker 1: ever had altitude sickness, like flown into a mountain town,
Speaker 1: It's not fun. Maybe that's what was happening to some
Speaker 1: of these players. Yeah, I just I just wanted to
Speaker 1: hear more about You thought that they were taking it
Speaker 1: easy with Tyreek Hill because of the injury going into
Speaker 1: the bye MM. So you're just I just wanted to
Speaker 1: know your thoughts about the injury. I should hand speculate
Speaker 1: eating I don't really know. I'm just saying he sits
Speaker 1: standing there on the sideline. The whole game a little different.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying what they should or shouldn't do. Trust
Speaker 1: the messical medical staff, right, so they guess they told
Speaker 1: them sit on the sit on the sideline. Just wanted
Speaker 1: to clarify. Alright, let's move on to the news. And
Speaker 1: so the main character is does this new mind greater,
Speaker 1: greater mind and mind that yet is to be alright?
Speaker 1: So we mentioned Colin Kaepernick. His workout scheduled a week
Speaker 1: ago today for Saturday, on short notice. Kaepernick was given
Speaker 1: short notice. Everybody has given short notice. UH. Teams invited.
Speaker 1: Many teams showed up to Flowery Branch, where the Falcons
Speaker 1: practice facility is UH shortly before it was set to
Speaker 1: begin on Saturday, Kaepernick's team announces, no, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: do it here. We're uncomfortable with the waiver we were
Speaker 1: being asked to sign. UH. Some of the legalities of
Speaker 1: it were not kosher to us. So we're going sixty
Speaker 1: miles south, uh to a high school field and and
Speaker 1: hosting our practice uh and UH hosting the workout. They
Speaker 1: wanted it to be more visible to the to the public,
Speaker 1: which the NFL had it closed to the media. They're
Speaker 1: they're planned event at the Falcons facility. Uh. The workout
Speaker 1: as we're told. Uh. Most people that were there said
Speaker 1: that he looked good, streamed on YouTube, streamed on YouTube.
Speaker 1: His arm strength is still there. He looked big. Um.
Speaker 1: Some others saw a guy that was more average, not
Speaker 1: a not a standout guy, but somebody that could probably
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. And then Kaepernick, who in all
Speaker 1: of this, over three years since this whole process that began,
Speaker 1: of course, when he kneeled during the national anthem as
Speaker 1: a member of the forty nine to protest social injustices
Speaker 1: and police brutality, to now, you've almost never heard from
Speaker 1: him outside of Nike commercials or or whatever. Well, he's
Speaker 1: here and there, but he's been very much out of
Speaker 1: the spotlight in terms of as a speaker. He spoke
Speaker 1: to the assembled media at the high school. Here's a
Speaker 1: little bit of it. I appreciate you all coming out.
Speaker 1: That means a lot to me. Our biggest thing with
Speaker 1: everything today was making sure we had transparency and what
Speaker 1: went on. We weren't getting that elsewhere, so we came
Speaker 1: out here. It's important that y'all here. Y'all bad attack
Speaker 1: for the last three years. Y'all continue to be attacked.
Speaker 1: We appreciate what y'all do. We appreciate you being here today.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the work you do for the people and
Speaker 1: tell him the truth, and that's what we wanted everything.
Speaker 1: I've been ready for three years. I've been denied for
Speaker 1: three years. We all know why I came out here,
Speaker 1: showed it today in front of everybody. We have nothing
Speaker 1: to hide. So we're waiting for the thirty two owners,
Speaker 1: the thirty two teams, Roger Goodell, all of them to
Speaker 1: stop running, stop running from the truth, stop running from
Speaker 1: the people. We're out here. We're ready to play, ready
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. My agent, Jeff Nally, is ready to
Speaker 1: talk to any team, interview with a team at any time.
Speaker 1: I've been ready, I'm staying ready, and I continue to
Speaker 1: be ready. It's all the people that came out here
Speaker 1: today to support. I appreciate y'all. I love y'all to
Speaker 1: the people that are here I'm thinking of you. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you supporting from where you are. We'll continue to give
Speaker 1: you updates as we hear. We'll be waiting to hear
Speaker 1: from Roger Goodell, the NFL, the thirty two teams. Will
Speaker 1: let you know if we're hear from them. Balls in
Speaker 1: their court. We're ready to go alright, So a lot
Speaker 1: to unpack here, and as you imagine, even when right
Speaker 1: when it was announced, you knew this is gonna be
Speaker 1: fireworks over the weekend. What's gonna happen and will but
Speaker 1: it felt like a very slim chance, Gregg that it
Speaker 1: would go exactly to plan or what the NFL's version
Speaker 1: of the plan was, and it certainly did not. What
Speaker 1: was your kind of takeaway from from the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I'm an optimist, and I despite all the confusion of
Speaker 1: everything that happened and the understandable skepticism on both you know,
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's side about the NFL and really the public side
Speaker 1: about like what what is going on with this? I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this, maybe this has a happy ending. Like I'm
Speaker 1: an optimist that's thinking maybe he is back in the
Speaker 1: league at some point, which I think would be a
Speaker 1: great thing for him and for everybody, And I come
Speaker 1: away from this weekend feeling like there's less of a
Speaker 1: chance than that than when I then going into the weekend.
Speaker 1: So that, to me, that's that's disappointing, because you know,
Speaker 1: you you thought, okay, maybe there there's a chance here,
Speaker 1: And I actually was mildly impressed or surprised. The eight
Speaker 1: teams went to the separate work so so that so
Speaker 1: some scouts went and and watched them. I thought. David Tepper,
Speaker 1: the owner of the Panthers, had an interesting comment. Um
Speaker 1: you know, he of course signed Eric Ready. The Panthers
Speaker 1: were not one of the teams that even sent the
Speaker 1: team to Atlanta, and he said, look, we if if
Speaker 1: we wanted to sign him, we would sign him. And
Speaker 1: if we id wanta sign we just have them to
Speaker 1: a private workout. We felt no need to go to that.
Speaker 1: So that's like another perspective of it. But after everything
Speaker 1: that happened, it shouldn't be too surprising. But I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a less of a chance than ever that
Speaker 1: a Kaepern expecting. To me, the thing that sticks out
Speaker 1: is the timing and the planning, and they created the
Speaker 1: controversy with the whole the way the whole thing was
Speaker 1: staged in the sense that you have Steve Weise reporting
Speaker 1: that there were high ranking people within the league office
Speaker 1: that had no idea this workout was happening until it
Speaker 1: was announced on Tuesday. That obviously teams did not until
Speaker 1: the email landed. And to me, it's counter to how
Speaker 1: the NFL plans essentially everything, which is extremely lead up heavy,
Speaker 1: with a lot of notice, and even something like a workout,
Speaker 1: you're asking people. We already talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: it didn't happen on the off Tuesday, had happened on
Speaker 1: a Saturday, which is an awkward time to have teams
Speaker 1: ship people out to a second location, and that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of other with the waiver that Kaepernick was
Speaker 1: asked to sign going on with that, right, Like, there's
Speaker 1: takes about the waiver and I feel like you need
Speaker 1: a low degree to break it down. And I read
Speaker 1: a couple of articles Brian uh McCann on Sports Illustrated
Speaker 1: and Mike Florio wrote about it, and they explained it better,
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't even feel like having an opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, like being informed enough to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But I guess I understood why he decided to do
Speaker 1: it as he did it, and it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it would, you know, totally. I mean that no owner
Speaker 1: could just make a decision down the line. It just
Speaker 1: felt doomed from the very start. It felt from the
Speaker 1: time of the announcement, and then when Saturday when you
Speaker 1: heard that there was there was a catch here. That
Speaker 1: was all expected because my one thought about the whole
Speaker 1: thing and I you see it from both sides, and
Speaker 1: you see there's this trust from Kaepernick's camp towards the NFL,
Speaker 1: and perhaps likewise based on the way this was all
Speaker 1: planned out. Um My, my general thought is that I
Speaker 1: came out of this thinking because of the way it
Speaker 1: was set up that Kaepernick's mindset it was almost more
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let the NFL dictate the terms of
Speaker 1: what this is. I'm gonna show them that I'm in
Speaker 1: control of this situation. This is my story, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell it the way I want to tell it.
Speaker 1: And perhaps, and I'm not even saying this is the
Speaker 1: wrong thing for him his mindset, because he's been through
Speaker 1: a lot over the last three years, perhaps he put
Speaker 1: that a war, if you will, with the NFL ahead
Speaker 1: of actually trying to get hired to play football. Because
Speaker 1: there are people out there that took out of this, uh,
Speaker 1: ESPN Stephen A. Smith was a very vocal person and
Speaker 1: on this front that this all felt like just a
Speaker 1: total pr move by Kaepernick in a show that he
Speaker 1: put on to to be in the be in the
Speaker 1: media and and stay as a figure, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: the Kunta Kinte shirt and uh, you know, the big
Speaker 1: statement to the press. All that stuff felt like a
Speaker 1: show more than actual guy trying to get hired. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's my feeling is it's just so doomed. There's
Speaker 1: too much mistrust on both sides for this ever to
Speaker 1: end with him getting work again. I don't think he
Speaker 1: plays again. I don't think anything changed. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think it's worse off than it was a week ago.
Speaker 1: I thought all along the number one hurdle as you
Speaker 1: cannot force a team to believe a free agent is
Speaker 1: worth signing. No team thinks he's worth signing. Uh. And
Speaker 1: along with Greg, I've had some level of optimism before
Speaker 1: the change of venue that some leader among the coaches,
Speaker 1: among the GM, some leader out there says, I'll take
Speaker 1: the disruption to my routine, these people being strong creatures
Speaker 1: of habit during the football season, I'll take it on
Speaker 1: me to change my routine to have that disruption during
Speaker 1: the week. I'll go on a limb and do it.
Speaker 1: And then he changed the venue, made it a headache
Speaker 1: for everyone. And I don't see any point where someone's
Speaker 1: gonna say this guy is worth signing. He to me,
Speaker 1: he's even less worth signing now after what happened with that. Well,
Speaker 1: I think what should inform all of this is something
Speaker 1: you know, people are like, well, what changed. You know
Speaker 1: he's been out of lake for three years. Well, here's
Speaker 1: what changed. The NFL and Colin Kaepernick agreed to a
Speaker 1: settlement that in a case where the NFL was being
Speaker 1: alleged to collude against providing him employment. That's what happened
Speaker 1: this year. So I don't know why happened this weekend
Speaker 1: versus some other time during this year, but that to
Speaker 1: me informs everything between these two sides. Like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there is no other player like people like well
Speaker 1: could other veterans like, there is no other player like
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick in the history the NFL. You're not just
Speaker 1: signing another backup quarterback. You know he's gonna He's gonna
Speaker 1: be Colin Kaepernick. That's who you would be signing up for.
Speaker 1: What's not changed, though, is that you have thirty two
Speaker 1: owners and I this is just my personal belief, there
Speaker 1: isn't one among them right now that wants the distraction
Speaker 1: and the sponsorship hit and other things to come along
Speaker 1: with bringing Colin Kaepernick in at this point, who's not
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback necessarily, there are a lot of coaches
Speaker 1: that are not gonna want to go fight that battle
Speaker 1: with their own owner. If it was gonna happen, it
Speaker 1: would happen when to me in the off season when
Speaker 1: the ross there's are ninety men and things are just
Speaker 1: a little different than right now. Who even needs a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback right now? Where they're gonna make this burning
Speaker 1: the host headline Houston Texans, Well, I mean they You
Speaker 1: saw a J McCarron in a game last week. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. We mentioned David Tepper, he's
Speaker 1: the Panther's owner, and he spoke on Monday after the
Speaker 1: team's loss to the Falcons and ugly loss to three
Speaker 1: UM that dropped the Panthers to five and five, their
Speaker 1: second straight loss. There's also um, you know, really bad
Speaker 1: loss to the Niners that's really kind of put into
Speaker 1: focus h that this is kind of a team that
Speaker 1: might be mediocre. And David Tepper, the owner who bought
Speaker 1: the team a couple of years ago, UH told reporters
Speaker 1: that his mood is to use his word every time
Speaker 1: they lose, and he added that he does not want
Speaker 1: to have a mediocre team. Mediocrity is not what he
Speaker 1: wants the Panthers to be associated with. It's been that
Speaker 1: way for too much of the team's history. Um, Mark,
Speaker 1: what did you take out of these comments? He also
Speaker 1: left the door open for um Cam Newton remaining with
Speaker 1: the team. But this does sound like a guy now
Speaker 1: that he's got his you know, his feet on the
Speaker 1: ground with this job, that might be ready to make
Speaker 1: some noise. I think David Tepper is one of the
Speaker 1: new wave of owners who is UH can have come
Speaker 1: from a different place than some others. And this is
Speaker 1: the moment where in a season with a team that's
Speaker 1: been swirling in questions about what will happen with Ron Rivera.
Speaker 1: Oh and now everyone just assumes Cam Newton's out the door.
Speaker 1: The owner is saying, I don't speak much, but when
Speaker 1: I do, I'm gonna remind you that everyone here serves,
Speaker 1: as they say, in the White House, at the pleasure
Speaker 1: of the owner of this company. And he was a
Speaker 1: very active business owner. And you know, you have these
Speaker 1: guys that buy teams as a plaything to invite their
Speaker 1: friends to and sit up in the box, and they
Speaker 1: want nothing to do with the football side. David Tepper
Speaker 1: has never struck me as that at all. He is
Speaker 1: hands on now, not in a necessarily met us some way,
Speaker 1: but in a way where he knows has his own
Speaker 1: strong opinions about what he's observed with Ron Rivera where
Speaker 1: the team's at right now, and certainly on the Cam
Speaker 1: Newton front, saying no one's gonna tell me what happens
Speaker 1: with Cam Newton. I'm gonna tell you. Yeah. He might
Speaker 1: have been sending a message there of how these reports
Speaker 1: get out. Reading between the lines. He did, you know,
Speaker 1: clean house immediately with the Panthers on the business side
Speaker 1: of things, and you know it's not something that we cover,
Speaker 1: but he changed out a lot of people, brought in
Speaker 1: his own people, and the continued mediocrity line is the
Speaker 1: one that apparently he hit multiple times during the interview,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me that the Panthers have never had
Speaker 1: winning consecutive winning seasons in the history of their franchise,
Speaker 1: which includes the nine years Ron Rivera has been there.
Speaker 1: He's gone win, you know, winning season, losing season basically
Speaker 1: every year since two thousand twelve, after starting with two
Speaker 1: straight losing seasons, and that spells trouble, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's not like Rivera's defense is is playing sensationally. These
Speaker 1: comments alone make me just believe that Hernie and Rivera
Speaker 1: are gonna be gone unless they, you know, win six
Speaker 1: straight games. Here also makes me thinks Kyle Allen will
Speaker 1: not be the quarterback because what is he if not mediocrity? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: at no point have I yeah, I have liked I
Speaker 1: liked watching Kyle Island, but I thought his best case
Speaker 1: scenario is competing with someone that probably has a better
Speaker 1: chance to be the start right here. Uh. In other news,
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots beat the Eagles seventeen ten, a
Speaker 1: game where their defense stepped up and shut down Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz and company. We you know, things move very quick
Speaker 1: for us on Sunday, uh into Sunday night when we
Speaker 1: tape our show, So I didn't. I didn't see. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys that I didn't even see
Speaker 1: the Brady comments. But it became a story on Monday
Speaker 1: about how dejected he was after the game, upset about
Speaker 1: the play of the offense. Uh, so far this season, Ricky,
Speaker 1: we have a little bit of that up and down.
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like to me. So, yeah, we
Speaker 1: probably do everything better. Yeah, well, we just played for
Speaker 1: three hours, so I think everyone's a little tired. And
Speaker 1: then they also asked him, Uh, what does he think
Speaker 1: will get the offense on track? I don't think it
Speaker 1: matters what I think. That's what we do. And then
Speaker 1: he's on the radio the next day doing one of
Speaker 1: his spots on the Greg Hill Show that I didn't
Speaker 1: know that's the thing he does. Uh. He said the
Speaker 1: strength of our team is our defense and special teams,
Speaker 1: which I don't know. Mark, Does it feel like we're
Speaker 1: this is a ropadope situation or do you think he
Speaker 1: really is? Is this maybe a late period Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: thing where I'm I'm passing the torch on what makes
Speaker 1: this team special? What what's going on? Break it down
Speaker 1: from me, Mark, as only you can please mark, how
Speaker 1: is yours? A few times? You got Tom Brady to
Speaker 1: get this agitated. I don't like the next team coming
Speaker 1: in to play the Patriots typically, I I this is
Speaker 1: but is it's? Is this still? Is this different than
Speaker 1: all the other years? Because different at all? Well, to me,
Speaker 1: it's factually different that their efficiency in their offensive production
Speaker 1: is average for the first time in sixteen seventeen years.
Speaker 1: So when he spoke on Monday, I did listen to
Speaker 1: that too, and his tone was much different on the
Speaker 1: Greg I was not aware of it, but I do
Speaker 1: know he's been on w E I and I guess
Speaker 1: they've changed their programming. I wasn't. I had never heard
Speaker 1: of it either. Uh. And he had a different tone,
Speaker 1: which was talking about complementary football, saying we want a
Speaker 1: super Bowl thirteen three and that was good. We lost
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl three. Uh, that wasn't good. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how many points I'm gonna need. It's a
Speaker 1: complementary game. And I do think he's, you know, distraught
Speaker 1: and disappointed. You come out of a bye week in
Speaker 1: the Eagles defense handed it to them, and he wants
Speaker 1: this offense to be great because he's not used to
Speaker 1: coaching a mediocre offense. Then again, I do think what
Speaker 1: he's saying about complimentary football informs what they do. He
Speaker 1: doesn't throw interceptions, He gives up on plays amazingly quickly.
Speaker 1: I mean, he does not risk anything. They are fourth
Speaker 1: in the league and fewest turnovers, uh, and that's largely
Speaker 1: because of Tom Brady. He doesn't take sacks because he
Speaker 1: doesn't really take hits. He doesn't take interceptions. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: plays a very similar style. He's much more athletic, but
Speaker 1: he plays a similar style. You know, he's not trying
Speaker 1: to put the defense in a bad situation. I believe
Speaker 1: that that he is kind of playing to the defense
Speaker 1: where he's not being as aggressive because he knows they're good.
Speaker 1: But that's gotta be humbling, and he doesn't want it
Speaker 1: to stay that way. When you're used to rolling up
Speaker 1: points with Rob Gronkowski every year, they usually pick up
Speaker 1: steam in December, and last year was they found their
Speaker 1: running game with Sony Michelle, and they were putting over
Speaker 1: a hundred on everybody to complement that defense. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what you're talking about with complementary football. The
Speaker 1: running games the worst I've seen Isaiah went back who
Speaker 1: was the most talked about two games played in his
Speaker 1: life left tackle. I've ever heard Shack Mason played way
Speaker 1: better what you got, Marshall Newhouse. Every week out there,
Speaker 1: you're just like, okay, Hopefully a first round pick can
Speaker 1: help you get improvement out of Shack Mason, and you
Speaker 1: get Isaiah win back, and maybe Sony Michelle starts making
Speaker 1: people miss again. Maybe you get a running back, maybe
Speaker 1: you get a running game. Who knows? Can you can
Speaker 1: you give me one? Now? Can you give me the
Speaker 1: floors yours? Dan? The floor is now yours? He gone?
Speaker 1: How many times have we done this? This is the year.
Speaker 1: There are whispers and then we've talked about our show
Speaker 1: that he is And I wanted to retire at Angeles.
Speaker 1: They've they've won enough. I don't want to see any
Speaker 1: uh any bad fine years. Just leave that is fine.
Speaker 1: That is the high water mark of like descending Patriots
Speaker 1: fandom just want Tom Brady to retire any other team,
Speaker 1: and I just don't want an ugly end. I don't
Speaker 1: think they could win without you know, they could certainly
Speaker 1: win when he's gone to why off the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: win where he he looked fine in the playoff. For
Speaker 1: the most part, he's not the same guy physically. Would
Speaker 1: you want him gone? I mean that just seems a
Speaker 1: little bit like you've been given too much as at Yes,
Speaker 1: of course they've won too much. They've achieved it all.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next era, moving on to
Speaker 1: the next Patriots story. Gronk will not be there to
Speaker 1: help out Tom Brady this season. He had a you know,
Speaker 1: a painfully transparent announcement scheduled for nine am uh this morning,
Speaker 1: and as pretty much everyone expected, it wasn't an announcement
Speaker 1: that he'd be coming back to the NFL, but rather
Speaker 1: that he is in the business of partying. Let's listen
Speaker 1: to a little bit of that. This is a bad
Speaker 1: game plan, bro, you're still in the pro party career. Listen,
Speaker 1: this isn't just some club event. This is a possible
Speaker 1: center around from you. You can turn it down a
Speaker 1: little bit, Ricky, but keep it up. I just I
Speaker 1: get it, Gronk. I get it, Like you're you're a businessman. Now,
Speaker 1: can we stop hammering this? So it's like Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: with the flat brind cat. So we're talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's no, but it's like does anyone want you to
Speaker 1: talk about more that he's not just a football player,
Speaker 1: he's a businessman. We get it. Enjoy your party. That's
Speaker 1: what this is. It's a Gronk party at Miami for
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Kevin Patra tweeted at me, said, are
Speaker 1: you going to resurrect the super Bowl party beat, which
Speaker 1: I once once covered for this website. I will not be.
Speaker 1: I will not be at the Gronk beach getting some
Speaker 1: firefest vibes from Oh that would be so gronk fest.
Speaker 1: Just people people stranded looking for food. Are you dang?
Speaker 1: You've given up on the idea that he's coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the l on that. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I still even when when I made the sandwich prop
Speaker 1: that Gronk will play by December, I knew it was
Speaker 1: a win win situation. Either I lose a sandwich or
Speaker 1: Grounk doesn't play, and I don't. Never you never actually
Speaker 1: exchange sandwiches, you does anything. Um And one more note,
Speaker 1: he does set at the say at the end of
Speaker 1: that infernal video that he uh, he's done playing this year,
Speaker 1: so he'll be back with the Patriots next year. I'll
Speaker 1: put another sandwich on that I'll double down. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: taking a look at that New England offense and saying
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part of that, and
Speaker 1: it would take me on a sandwich. Why not this year?
Speaker 1: What a goober um a chooche he is? Uh, you
Speaker 1: take me up on that? Doesn't have to be with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. And he's playing in the NFL next year.
Speaker 1: He said, he's a business man. That's what that comment was.
Speaker 1: Maybe next year or whatever. I'll take you on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, why not playing next year? I'll take you
Speaker 1: on it. That's a win win too for me. You know,
Speaker 1: he comes back, that'd be great. Finally, in the news,
Speaker 1: this also popped up Sunday that the Redskins had a
Speaker 1: disheartening loss to the Jets at home. Greg, you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Uh there was even a THOMASO wrote a column calling
Speaker 1: it the low point in the team's history. Nobody at
Speaker 1: the game that they've lost us the city. Uh. Well,
Speaker 1: it got worse because there was a sideline video that
Speaker 1: kind of went viral by the local NBC affiliate down
Speaker 1: there that showed Dwayne Haskins, who's obviously had a tough
Speaker 1: go of it so far in his rookie season, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of help um imploring his teammates
Speaker 1: as he's taking a beating against the Jets. I think
Speaker 1: he was sacked five times. What can I do to
Speaker 1: help you? What can I do to help you? And
Speaker 1: the lineman for the most part, and just kind of
Speaker 1: sitting there. And that led to a lot of speculation
Speaker 1: greg both ways that this was a bad look for Haskins,
Speaker 1: This is a bad look for the Redskins. Well, we
Speaker 1: are the offensive line. We don't really know the whole
Speaker 1: story between the interaction and everything around what's going on
Speaker 1: behind the scenes there. But in general, it's just yet
Speaker 1: another kind of this is uh, not a great time
Speaker 1: in the history of the Washington Redskins. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was faster. You're gonna say it's a
Speaker 1: great time in the history of the No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just mean the video. The video I didn't put
Speaker 1: any higher, wasn't wasn't great. I felt like I needed
Speaker 1: to know more about the context. I didn't have any
Speaker 1: like hot takes, good or bad. I just found it
Speaker 1: interesting to watch. I think that like great great podcast
Speaker 1: s fodder, But like, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to know more like of their relationship, and
Speaker 1: that's maybe that's a pretty happened. I put this on
Speaker 1: par with what Greg has said about telling teams what
Speaker 1: they should do with injured players. The disconnect between what
Speaker 1: you're seeing thousands of miles away on a video out
Speaker 1: of context, versus what's going on on a sideline during
Speaker 1: the game. You can't make heads or tails of it.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think you can sit there and
Speaker 1: and translate what's going on on. It was one where
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear what ex players said, and interestingly,
Speaker 1: there were I feel like equal people on both sides
Speaker 1: who thought it was great and or thought it was
Speaker 1: terrible that you have to earn that and a whole
Speaker 1: damn it. I maybe this maybe someone it's a veteran
Speaker 1: teammate right now with Morgan Moses said that it was
Speaker 1: him just trying to figure out because we're a veteran
Speaker 1: group what we've got. You're looking at me, you want
Speaker 1: me to come up with a different take that He's
Speaker 1: also I don't need anybody on my side on this.
Speaker 1: I saw it. I don't think it's I. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's I think that that Redskins have been an
Speaker 1: absolute train wreck. They are running the most bland offense.
Speaker 1: That dude that does nothing to help with rookie quarterback,
Speaker 1: and he was probably out of his shell trying literally
Speaker 1: trying to plead with these guys, let's wake up and
Speaker 1: and get some advice. So what did you see, Dan?
Speaker 1: An offensive line that wants nothing to do with that quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say that. I just thought in general, there was there
Speaker 1: seemed to be. There wasn't a lot of passion, there
Speaker 1: wasn't a team working together thirty four to three at
Speaker 1: the time it was, And there was a telling moment
Speaker 1: to watch the video at the very end, Haskins pleading
Speaker 1: for any type of feedback. He gets very little of it.
Speaker 1: There's even a linement that Greg you even said yourself
Speaker 1: looked like he kind of rolled his eyes almost there's
Speaker 1: one guy who was really just kind of but that's
Speaker 1: not a good look. And then at the very end
Speaker 1: of the video, Haskins essentially just turns and almost in
Speaker 1: a dejected uh way bodyline, who drives walks away. It's like,
Speaker 1: I went to these guys, how can we fix this?
Speaker 1: How can can I help you in terms of the protection,
Speaker 1: get the ball quick, or make better decisions. There was
Speaker 1: no back and forth about how do we fix this,
Speaker 1: and he just walked away. Nothing solved, although they did
Speaker 1: score ports right, and they'd score the next couple of
Speaker 1: times they have. If having a co worker like disinterested
Speaker 1: in what you say was a like a killer flaw,
Speaker 1: like I would have been out of this company about
Speaker 1: fifties thousand different times. Right. I think in that situation,
Speaker 1: thirty four to three, after a long season in a
Speaker 1: long decade, any rookie quarterback, no matter is personality or whatever,
Speaker 1: in that situation is going to get the same treatment.
Speaker 1: I usually have interesting things unless you start talking about tennis.
Speaker 1: That's the only time I kind of start to you know, dude,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe you're on a thread. Were like the
Speaker 1: Jets are quarterback records and they you know, they go
Speaker 1: from city to city destroying offenses. I'm not sure I'm
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that either. Uh, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but uh, it is a
Speaker 1: bad sign when the Jets are wrecking you in the
Speaker 1: backfield because they can't get any a great sign. All right,
Speaker 1: it's back Maybe for the last time ever. So make
Speaker 1: sure you enjoy this everyone. Um. Greg had detailed copious
Speaker 1: notes of that he he had he had ended it.
Speaker 1: He tried to get us to sign a contract, and
Speaker 1: we weren't comfortable with I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So we moved. We moved the conversation, UH to another room.
Speaker 1: It's this studio. It's stick a fork in a reboot.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to remember something better than someone else's.
Speaker 1: I first, so what is As I said at the
Speaker 1: top of the show, this is when we go through UH,
Speaker 1: we go through the league and we make a strong, strong,
Speaker 1: strong declaration that a finite decision. Does that make sense
Speaker 1: that their season is over? When we bring up and
Speaker 1: and we had to when we did it. We would
Speaker 1: occasionally bring up, you know, just one or two teams
Speaker 1: a week and have a long discussion. We're pretty deep
Speaker 1: into this podcast. The key though, was it had to
Speaker 1: be unanimous, because it's got to be in it. That
Speaker 1: was to what There was a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of hurt feelings over the year. You know, it's tough
Speaker 1: to get that unanimous agreement. I can already tell you
Speaker 1: how this can go. Mark and I any team that
Speaker 1: is borderline boring to watch. We want them forked, and
Speaker 1: Greg's can all right, let's see how let's see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. And I'll use uh the Power rankings
Speaker 1: as a guide here, So, uh, we'll start twenty to
Speaker 1: thirty two. Bengals, Redskins, Giants, Dolphins, Bucks, everybody in favor
Speaker 1: of the fork. Yeah, Bengals officially eliminated Cynthia Freeland three
Speaker 1: and seven. They're done. Cynthia's coming on Thursday, right, He's
Speaker 1: joining us on our recap, so you know, we can
Speaker 1: break that news. She said that she had to put
Speaker 1: that the Bengals had a one percent chance and all
Speaker 1: the teams at the bottom had a one percent chance
Speaker 1: going into last week, even though they had zero percent chance.
Speaker 1: That the NFL was making her say that there was zero,
Speaker 1: you know, even though the maths said, if you round
Speaker 1: it down, you're rounded down to zero. To ask her
Speaker 1: about that, to me, is so they had no chance.
Speaker 1: A while back they asked her to compromise her model. Wait,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't zero, it was yeah, it was like point.
Speaker 1: It was like point you know, one or point oh one.
Speaker 1: And so she had to put because I was like
Speaker 1: one percent for the Bengals, that seems high like go
Speaker 1: they were, Oh night, how could it even be one?
Speaker 1: If there's a chance, there's a chance. All right, So
Speaker 1: all in favor of the fork for those teams, says I,
Speaker 1: What a what a time it's been as a gamus.
Speaker 1: A lot more debate over the Bengals than I expected.
Speaker 1: Right there, I didn't catch an eye. What's the state
Speaker 1: of you, you know in your fandom for Jamis? Oh
Speaker 1: it's over? Whoa, that's big news. Are you in favor
Speaker 1: of the fork? Yeah? Yeah, good, good? All right? Is
Speaker 1: your daughter is still a fan? Seven is never a
Speaker 1: fan of Jamis? She just like uniforms the name to
Speaker 1: twenty three? We got the Jets. I like that they
Speaker 1: got out of this last group that was cute. Cardinals, Lions, Roncoes, Uh,
Speaker 1: Broncos So Broncos, Lions, Cardinals, Jets. I'm in favor of
Speaker 1: forking them all. It would have been interesting if the
Speaker 1: Broncos had finished off that Vikings game had been four
Speaker 1: and six, but they didn't. Gonners everyone they gone they
Speaker 1: go all right, so far, so good, Greg, I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to make your push for the Jets there.
Speaker 1: That's why they got out of the bottom tier. They're not.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're twenty seven out of thirty two. They're
Speaker 1: only one game behind the Browns, who are going to
Speaker 1: talk about I suspect Browns have a tiebreaker on the Jets.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Next group, although the Browns
Speaker 1: are going Yeah, the Jets are three and seven. It's
Speaker 1: pretty tough, all right, Next group, Bears, Falcons, Greg's Falcons. Great,
Speaker 1: this will be a real test. Browns, Jaguars, Chargers. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna jump in and say I would fork
Speaker 1: the Bears and the Falcons and the Chargers who all
Speaker 1: have uh Actually, the Bears only have six losses, the
Speaker 1: Falcons have seven, the Chargers have seven. I would fork
Speaker 1: all of them. Despite you know, the Falcons I think
Speaker 1: could make it interesting down the stretch, but they're in
Speaker 1: the wrong conference at three and seven in the a
Speaker 1: f C. The way they're looking, I would maybe give
Speaker 1: them a chance. But right now, the Vikings are eight
Speaker 1: and three and the Seahawks are eight and two. Worst
Speaker 1: case scenario, you need ten wins. I think it might.
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna take eleven wins. I think the odds
Speaker 1: would say you're gonna need eleven in the NFC, so
Speaker 1: even nine wouldn't get it done. Even if they did,
Speaker 1: you know, run the table. They banged themselves with that one.
Speaker 1: That's seventh loss before they've gotten hot. Even if they
Speaker 1: get super hot, it's probably doomed. So I'm surprised, though,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna fork the Falcons in a big spot?
Speaker 1: I will just because I I legit think if they
Speaker 1: win eight straight they're out, which is you know, there's
Speaker 1: still they would need the Saints to collapse. There's still
Speaker 1: a way if you do the ESPN playoffs. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: certainly it can get a second seed. Still, now that
Speaker 1: is not happening. I am happily. I'm fine to fork
Speaker 1: the Falcons at this point. Too much self inflicted wounds,
Speaker 1: all right. I am not comfortable forking your Browns yet, Mark,
Speaker 1: I will wait until Sunday night. I noticed Greg did
Speaker 1: not have them on his list of approved teams for
Speaker 1: forky right. I I'm with Dan. I would not want
Speaker 1: to fork them because their schedule schedules Cake. You know,
Speaker 1: if Garrett hadn't been suspended, I think there'd be a
Speaker 1: real feel that they're gonna that they can beat mine
Speaker 1: Miami this week, and that the Pittsburgh game is the
Speaker 1: toughest game they have until they play the Ravens I
Speaker 1: think in week sixteen, so that Pittsburgh game would have
Speaker 1: been the key one for them. I still don't think
Speaker 1: they're out of it, and I also talking about this
Speaker 1: with Mark this morning and looking at the standings. Maybe
Speaker 1: eleven wins is what you need to get a wild
Speaker 1: card in the NFC, but we always seem to shoot
Speaker 1: a little high with that. I think attend when team
Speaker 1: will probably get in the NFC. That means the vikings
Speaker 1: which could happen, don't vikings in the Seahawks would have
Speaker 1: to go to They'd have to go under the rest
Speaker 1: of them. Don't will out of nine and seven team
Speaker 1: making it in the a f C. I think everyone
Speaker 1: just assumes, oh, you gotta get to ten. But the
Speaker 1: Browns will get to nine and like at four and
Speaker 1: six with a soft schedule. Now, they could also lose
Speaker 1: three in a row right now. I I they're a
Speaker 1: hard team to figure out, but they will have uh markets,
Speaker 1: you pointed out to me they played the Bills, so
Speaker 1: they have the tiebreaker on the Bills if they win
Speaker 1: it must win against the Steelers. Basically, if they win
Speaker 1: that game, they sweep the Steelers and they'll have the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker there and then you have a real shot of things.
Speaker 1: But I would add that you've got teams that two
Speaker 1: weeks ago looked like they were heading in the right direction,
Speaker 1: like the Chargers, that suddenly are four and seven and
Speaker 1: heading in the wrong direction. Some of the trash is
Speaker 1: heading downward. In AFC, you need the Raiders and or
Speaker 1: the Bills, one of those teams to to stumble. But
Speaker 1: I think that's very We'll get to the Bills, but
Speaker 1: their schedule is not pleasant. Would you fork the Browns
Speaker 1: was I would not fork the Browns unanimous. A f
Speaker 1: C is two weak and the schedule is two weak.
Speaker 1: Where are we at on the Jaguars, Yeah, I don't trust.
Speaker 1: I think they're playing the wrong quarterback, and I know
Speaker 1: I went back on that and said, I understand why
Speaker 1: they're playing fools, but especially with this offensive line, I
Speaker 1: just like took a lot of hits. Stardner Minsho's playing
Speaker 1: style with this team better. I'm gonna keep them alive.
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it. This is definitely a
Speaker 1: dirt knap game in Tennessee, where I think on Sunday
Speaker 1: the loser loser goes home, because if the Titans lose,
Speaker 1: they'll have gotten swept by the Jaguars. Jacksonville won that
Speaker 1: game with I'm I'm with you guys in the sense
Speaker 1: that and I'm on record on the spot not being
Speaker 1: as big a fan as you guys are. But if
Speaker 1: they if Foles doesn't move the needle in offense two
Speaker 1: weeks in a row, I mean, it might be too
Speaker 1: too late. If they are for I mean their defense
Speaker 1: has to play a lot better, they need a lot
Speaker 1: to do better. But they do not have an imposing schedule.
Speaker 1: They the best team they play the rest of the
Speaker 1: season record wise are the Colts and the Raiders, So
Speaker 1: they really don't play any elite teams. Becauld they get
Speaker 1: on a little run here, I think they could. Their
Speaker 1: season is on the line. Thursday night, you might see
Speaker 1: Minshoe at halftime if things were really really going south.
Speaker 1: Sunday Sunday, Sunday Night, Sunday Day, Sunday Sunday. They actually
Speaker 1: they're flexing nugets about broken Down Jack. They're like, you're
Speaker 1: liked one Prime Time Jack's Titans game. Let's give you
Speaker 1: a two we're forking the four and seven Chargers. Yeah, everybody,
Speaker 1: I mean Rivers. They're going to kill them. I don't
Speaker 1: care who they played. They're going to find a way
Speaker 1: to let's to see them seven and seven next month.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I have to look at the schedule.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of the Chargers way at Denver at
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Home versus the Vikings home versus the Raiders at
Speaker 1: Kansas City. That is not what you would call an
Speaker 1: easy schedule. Seven and seven and then lose out. I mean,
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to get your heart back. I
Speaker 1: think they are more I think they're more likely to
Speaker 1: go five and eleven than they are. All Right, you
Speaker 1: got me convinced. I'll fork them, you guys, all right, Mark,
Speaker 1: I didn't know Dan was gonna I'm happy to fork
Speaker 1: as many teams as we can get consensed. The son
Speaker 1: he's just he's just like permanent four. Well, it's like
Speaker 1: we can mathematically get everyone back and vault if we want.
Speaker 1: You still have to pay attention to these games for
Speaker 1: the podcast, though, I have paid attention to every single
Speaker 1: game from the beginning of the year until now. Okay,
Speaker 1: there are no questions about that all right? Well now eight,
Speaker 1: now it gets interesting. This is where the challenge. A
Speaker 1: surprising result to me, that that we decided the Charger
Speaker 1: season is over. Well, I mean I would end it.
Speaker 1: Last said it last. I said before that game they
Speaker 1: needed to win one of those games. They needed to
Speaker 1: either beat the Raiders on the road or the Charges
Speaker 1: of Mexico or the Chiefs of Mexico City. They didn't
Speaker 1: do it too much to quote check. Just remember we
Speaker 1: didn't do this to you do all right, Now it
Speaker 1: gets tough. Titans, they're going eighteen to fourteen here um
Speaker 1: Titans five and five, Panthers five and five, Steelers five
Speaker 1: and five, Cults six and four, Bills seven and three. Well,
Speaker 1: there's one obvious team here to me that is easy
Speaker 1: to fork. I don't know. I'm gonna see if can
Speaker 1: you guys guess which one. I think it's obvious. It's
Speaker 1: the Panthers. They in the NFC. That team, I think
Speaker 1: what there's just what they got eight and eight would
Speaker 1: be a good outcome for them. And if I'm sticking
Speaker 1: with my theory that a nine and seven team gets
Speaker 1: into the n f C, well then I cannot eliminate
Speaker 1: the Titans. Who will go nine and seven as they
Speaker 1: always do. The Panthers played the Saints twice. The rest
Speaker 1: of the way they play at Indy, they play Seattle
Speaker 1: and they played Greg's jug or not the Folcon. We're
Speaker 1: just we're sticking a knife in two for anybody want
Speaker 1: to fork the Tytoons, the vision, the good all right,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Uh, Steelers bad Thursday night. Uh, Rudolph
Speaker 1: could not have played worse. And that's in that stage.
Speaker 1: But I'm not ready to fork him. Won't do it now.
Speaker 1: This is one where I I would I would fork him.
Speaker 1: I would Uh what is it like an emotional fork?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of trying to look at the bro and
Speaker 1: trying to look at the spiteful for just because, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because, like Mason Rudolph, you know, the story about
Speaker 1: him is obviously what happened last week, But that did,
Speaker 1: you know, over shadow us having to watch him play
Speaker 1: football for three hours before that, which was one of
Speaker 1: the worst performances we've seen. It was really what you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of ruined West's moment to crow about how
Speaker 1: right he was about Rudolf. But I will say that
Speaker 1: my doctor vaulty narrative by the way. My doctor is
Speaker 1: a huge Steelers fan, and and he I could tell
Speaker 1: he was just waiting for me to tell him that
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be all right. He said, what do you
Speaker 1: think of our quarterback? And I was like, well, let
Speaker 1: me unpack this one now. Their schedule is definitely a
Speaker 1: plus for them, and that's what Steelers fans have been
Speaker 1: holding on to all year, along with their defense. They
Speaker 1: do not play. They play. The Bills and the Ravens
Speaker 1: are the only two teams with winning records on their schedule.
Speaker 1: Uh so they they look at that Browns game and
Speaker 1: they see a winnable game, just like the Browns. Do
Speaker 1: you know that Bills as a tiebreaker game? I mean,
Speaker 1: if they were. The Steelers have damaged me so many
Speaker 1: times over the years, and it's with they haven't had
Speaker 1: seasons like this, But you want to count them out
Speaker 1: in their ultra resilient Yeah, I find a way to
Speaker 1: to eke back in. So I struggle to fork them.
Speaker 1: There's still a chance that Duck Hodges will make his
Speaker 1: way onto the field and save this season. Their defense
Speaker 1: is the best thing about any of these teams in
Speaker 1: this in this tiers that they do have a real
Speaker 1: strength um alright. Moving to the Colts, I think we
Speaker 1: all agree the Colts at six and four, I think
Speaker 1: we're done there. First place, the Bills at seven and three.
Speaker 1: How about the Eagles at five and five, because I'm
Speaker 1: ready to fork them a little bit of an emotional fork,
Speaker 1: that's all right. For five and five. They can't they
Speaker 1: can't score, and I don't see reinforcements on the way
Speaker 1: in Philly, and they're not gonna win. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: win the division. The Dallas is going to take the East,
Speaker 1: and then we're right back to the same conversation. At
Speaker 1: least ten wins is gonna get you a playoff spot,
Speaker 1: and they're five and five right now. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: five win five of six to close this thing. I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys, who you know who have to play
Speaker 1: in New England. They both have tough games this Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's a big NFC East game that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: in Foxborough and the Eagles have to host the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: so that you know, that could go either way for
Speaker 1: for those teams. But I still think the Eagles are
Speaker 1: going to be right in it. In Week sixteen, they
Speaker 1: they have a pretty easy schedule. The rest of it
Speaker 1: is Dolphins, Giants twice in Redskins. Sandwiched around those are
Speaker 1: four wins. I think. I think so too. And they
Speaker 1: had nine and they played the Cowboys like if they
Speaker 1: ever won that because definitely lose to the Giants once.
Speaker 1: And and I think Sunday's game against Seattle's huge to me.
Speaker 1: That's close to a coin flip in Philadelphia, I think
Speaker 1: they certainly have a chance to win that. I would
Speaker 1: like to do the emotional fork, but this schedule is
Speaker 1: too easy. So the Eagles survived, so we cut so
Speaker 1: so that wasn't the only one game behind the cow Boys, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let me read the list of teams that
Speaker 1: are forked. The Cincinnati Bengals, the Washington Redskins, the New
Speaker 1: York Giants, the g Man, the Miami Dolphins, top of
Speaker 1: the Bucaneers, the York Jots, Arizona Cardinals, the Try Lions, Broncos,
Speaker 1: and eyes rolled back into the back of his head
Speaker 1: when he pin you. Chicago Bears, stop Bears, the Atlanta Falcons, sorry, Craig,
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville's Yaguars, No we didn't kill apologies, the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Superchary Years. They go the Carolina Panthers say, can
Speaker 1: you say the New York Jets one more time? In
Speaker 1: that person's get some guying green and get hit damn
Speaker 1: Josh Seph. So there you go. We forked and and
Speaker 1: Greg has he's taking notes. Hey, Mark, the Browns they
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. Give us a heart that is accurate? Maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: if we get any of these wrong, this segment goes
Speaker 1: away forever. Who does a little jack? Who's most likely
Speaker 1: to come back to buy us? I don't think we
Speaker 1: took enough chances? Well we couldn't. We could have forked
Speaker 1: the Eagles. The Eagles would be the team most likely.
Speaker 1: You guys, don't want to change your minds on that.
Speaker 1: Come on, guys, taken interesting in forked the Eagles? No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to that. That would be the last team.
Speaker 1: Who there was maybe one team out there that we
Speaker 1: were a little bold, but not Oh yeah you got
Speaker 1: now you saved the Steelers. Yeah, I'm not forking. Get on,
Speaker 1: I've forked to see. Let's do it. Let's get bold
Speaker 1: fork call of Pennsylvania. Can't do it, won't do it.
Speaker 1: I could be talked into it too, Bills talked into it.
Speaker 1: Seven and three just to get the people of Western
Speaker 1: New York the rams. I mean, this is saying their
Speaker 1: seas you want to get bold. This is this is uh,
Speaker 1: this is saying the season's over. That's six and four.
Speaker 1: I'm not working. I would have done it. I would
Speaker 1: have done it all right before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football preview a huge matchup in the a
Speaker 1: f C South Colts at Texans. UH Colts coming off
Speaker 1: a win but also a lost. They lost Marlon Mack,
Speaker 1: who has a fractured hand, and it's the hand that
Speaker 1: he carries the football with no bueno. Uh so one
Speaker 1: of their best players. In fact, some people might be
Speaker 1: I know, not the people in this studio, because you
Speaker 1: guys like I've never met people more plugged into the sport.
Speaker 1: But some people might be surprised to know that Marlon
Speaker 1: Mack is the number five rusher in the NFL. He's
Speaker 1: had that type of impact on this offense. So he
Speaker 1: goes out. Now. There is good news, though, Wes in
Speaker 1: his place a man that ran for a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen yards on nine yards per tote. Jonathan Williams, the
Speaker 1: old spice rack. Spice Rack pounded the table for williams
Speaker 1: Uh come draft time a few years back. It's the
Speaker 1: only name we can extract from him. In a half
Speaker 1: an hour, six round pick of the Bills, a six
Speaker 1: round performance by spice Rack that day. But uh, yes,
Speaker 1: he actually he got himself into some trouble as I recall,
Speaker 1: and then how to try out? Was it with the Jets?
Speaker 1: And then he bounced spoke to the media. But has
Speaker 1: been in a lot of trouble. I asked, I did
Speaker 1: a contact spice Rack about the Donathan williams Uh contact,
Speaker 1: and he said it gave him some pepper and his
Speaker 1: step on Sunday he was decided a long sunday of
Speaker 1: results coming in. Did he need a pep in his step?
Speaker 1: I think Saturday was probably more the problem. It seems
Speaker 1: more like a Saturday guy. I feel like if if
Speaker 1: your wife ever checked your phone bill and saw the
Speaker 1: same number coming up over and over again, she would
Speaker 1: be a little bit worried. And they're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's spice Rack. I mean we've definitely never spoken on
Speaker 1: the phone. Uh, it's like you guys are in contact
Speaker 1: a lot. I like this phone bill scenario, you know
Speaker 1: this still existing? I mean, then it happened to me.
Speaker 1: But can you imagine I don't know. I can't speak
Speaker 1: for you guys, but that was like a number one
Speaker 1: way to get busted if you were being h you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pure relationship. Yeah, you have a well or I
Speaker 1: would even say going back to when like you'd have
Speaker 1: a long distance girlfriend in the early high school period
Speaker 1: and suddenly the parents like, why are there a hundred
Speaker 1: and two charges to Glastonbury, Connecticut? Because I love her?
Speaker 1: That didn't That didn't hold much water. Um Anyway, thoughts
Speaker 1: on this game. It's hard to preview this game because
Speaker 1: there's so many names up in the air, starting with
Speaker 1: wide receivers. T Y Hilton, I believe is not practicing
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Will Fuller is not practicing for the Texans
Speaker 1: on Tuesday to keep components. I mean, t Y Hilton is,
Speaker 1: I mean, along with Quentin Nelson the most important player
Speaker 1: on this offense. I think i'd give him a week.
Speaker 1: I know I'm not allowed to say that around these parts,
Speaker 1: but rushing a guy back for Thursday night when he's
Speaker 1: not right is almost a almost always a recipe for
Speaker 1: exits the game early in the second quarter. I bet
Speaker 1: he wants to play because he always destroys these believable
Speaker 1: numbers against Jackson all lifetime. And you know, this is
Speaker 1: a game that Indianapolis. At an earlier point in the season,
Speaker 1: we thought this division was going to kind of start
Speaker 1: going towards the Texans. They came into Indianapolis with the
Speaker 1: head fullest team and they got beat, which happens a
Speaker 1: lot with the Colts have surprised us. The Texans are
Speaker 1: coming off a very concerning performance. I mean, Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: that terrible game against Baltimore. I think it's okay, like
Speaker 1: great players can play poorly. He was inaccurate. It happens,
Speaker 1: you know, he was inaccurate, and more importantly, I think
Speaker 1: like the communication on the offensive line of recognizing where
Speaker 1: pressure is coming from. They were pretty scrambled up front
Speaker 1: of of knowing where the pressure and a lot of
Speaker 1: those sacks were on Watson. Maybe it's just a one
Speaker 1: game blip. I just worried that this Texans defense does
Speaker 1: not have enough juice, which is why I don't feel
Speaker 1: confident in picking them. Even you give him a little
Speaker 1: edge at home, but if you take out J. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: There's a stat on ESPN called pass rush win rate
Speaker 1: when he's not on the field. They are thirty feet
Speaker 1: in the league in terms of past the rush win rate,
Speaker 1: and I think Bengals are the only team that's worst. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Texans also, they were battered in that loss to
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Justin Reid concussion, Mike Adams concussion, Lonnie Johnson
Speaker 1: a bad ankle injury. I when I go back and
Speaker 1: look at what happened the first time, along with some
Speaker 1: of the offensive numbers, was Darius Leonard doing what Darius
Speaker 1: Lennard does. Ten tackles and a game clinching interception and
Speaker 1: being a total difference maker. And he's healthy right now,
Speaker 1: and he's the kind of guy that I could imagine
Speaker 1: on TNF blowing up. Yeah. He he spoke about it
Speaker 1: that he's come on really strong. He had a tough
Speaker 1: start to the year, made a lot of mistakes, was
Speaker 1: getting beaten coverage with struggling. He admitted it. And he
Speaker 1: has been on fire the last couple of weeks. So
Speaker 1: as Justin Houston, they do have some players coming along
Speaker 1: on the Colts defense. Justin Houston was a home run signing.
Speaker 1: He's been fantastic that She's had a sack every week
Speaker 1: for the past five weeks, though presented four touchdowns the
Speaker 1: last time that wasn't a long fifteen to four touchdown
Speaker 1: interception ratio. You know he's crafty in the red zone.
Speaker 1: Give to Gubby brissets him left. I thought we don't
Speaker 1: count those stats around these parts, touchdown versus interception. Since
Speaker 1: when I thought those were stats that we don't look
Speaker 1: at to judge whether quarterback's playing well, I count them, said,
Speaker 1: I was told that last Thursday. When the film tells
Speaker 1: you drastically different than with the numbers, trust your no
Speaker 1: and none of us remember it that, So you gotta
Speaker 1: give us a Mason Rudolph. I think he was eleven
Speaker 1: and two going into that. Yeah, well that was that
Speaker 1: was clearly not matching what the film was showing. Um alright,
Speaker 1: so one quick quote, which coach? Which coach do you
Speaker 1: trust that this game is type Frank Reich, Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 1: I bill O'Brien got out coach last week. I like
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is a coach a lot got out Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson in my mind, I don't know Bill O'Brien not
Speaker 1: liked around these parts. I understand that. I just said,
Speaker 1: I like Bill O'Brien a lot. It's that's why it's
Speaker 1: leg it's a legit question. I'm not just setting that
Speaker 1: that was just happened to be a one two punch.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like getting into another Bill O'Brien argument.
Speaker 1: But no, I love the Texans in this game. Like
Speaker 1: Frank rich a lot, great coach, but I I don't
Speaker 1: trust the Texans as much as I would have liked,
Speaker 1: would have thought about a month ago. But also J J.
Speaker 1: Wattexon in the line of really is shaking my confidence
Speaker 1: with them. But I still think at home in a
Speaker 1: game they really need. I think Watson coming off a
Speaker 1: game where he played poorly, he loves it in prime time.
Speaker 1: I think we get a big Watson game. I was
Speaker 1: I was leaning towards maybe locking this up. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to, but because they are a little up and
Speaker 1: down right now in terms of the season. But I
Speaker 1: love the Texans this game. Anybody else, anybody else agreed
Speaker 1: with me or I'm gonna have to pick this game
Speaker 1: because I have to do it for game picks, and
Speaker 1: I will take the Texans. I don't feel great or
Speaker 1: just outright now. I think it'll be closer. I think
Speaker 1: whatever it is the Texans or decent favorites, I'll make
Speaker 1: it a one or two point. Yeah, that's the way
Speaker 1: I even be on the show at this point. Split
Speaker 1: the I'm going Houston because they are gonna split with
Speaker 1: the Cults. There's no way they're getting swept by Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: It's gonna feel too lopsided if all four of us
Speaker 1: go with the Texans, because it feels like a coin
Speaker 1: flip game. But I don't trust the Coults firepower. If
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton doesn't play and Marlon Mack doesn't play, right,
Speaker 1: I like looked up as how do they score thirty
Speaker 1: three points in this game? Thirty five points in this game?
Speaker 1: The Calts. It's always it's always a mystery. I guess
Speaker 1: it's the offensive line, it's the coaching. The defense is
Speaker 1: a little better than the sum of its part. Make
Speaker 1: here's what I like for the Texans. Seemed to break
Speaker 1: down every third game. Yeah, how how about let's see
Speaker 1: some deep Let's see some deep shots that DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 1: This has been a team that does not have a
Speaker 1: vertical element, which is shocking to me because Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: throws such a great, great deep ball but it just
Speaker 1: hasn't been there for them. Will Fuller is always so
Speaker 1: much more important to that offense than you think he
Speaker 1: would be. All right, let's got some plugs in Greg
Speaker 1: the debrief debrief, I mean, it depends how you want
Speaker 1: to say it. I would go debrief, Yeah, NFL that
Speaker 1: What was the hook of the debrief this week? It
Speaker 1: wasn't really a hook, just kind of some some take
Speaker 1: place good uh Week twelve takeaways? Who's number one? I do?
Speaker 1: I have? You know, Russell Wilson Lamar. I think there's
Speaker 1: a nice gap there after those two. But I have
Speaker 1: Dack number three, Aaron Rodgers four, and let's throw in wide.
Speaker 1: We're seever Michael Thomas of the New Orleans Saints defenses. No,
Speaker 1: he's coming. They can't stop him. CMC out of the
Speaker 1: top five entirely now that hurts, But I guess Michael Thomas.
Speaker 1: I was like, why did Michael Thomas like my article?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, someone someone let him know
Speaker 1: he's mentioned there. Mark Sessler on my radar, what a column?
Speaker 1: And you are what? I like what you're doing lately?
Speaker 1: Mark um More high concept ideas of late and what
Speaker 1: is it this week? I mean we are. We're deep
Speaker 1: into the year, so I have to come up with
Speaker 1: reinvent the wheel every week, it seems like for something.
Speaker 1: But I came up with something called the joy Meter,
Speaker 1: which goes from zero to one, and it's things that
Speaker 1: are making me extremely in case in some cases me
Speaker 1: extremely happy. And I did a mia culpa in the
Speaker 1: sense that with Lamar Jackson, you know, inside of me,
Speaker 1: I wanted to push against the Ravens and push against
Speaker 1: the whole idea of them going to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: a game, and he is too fun to watch, so
Speaker 1: he got the highest grade. And then I put one
Speaker 1: out there for the Bears fans who get a four
Speaker 1: out of one D because it's been about as bad
Speaker 1: of a season as you can imagine. Good stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give like an eight on the joy meter to
Speaker 1: the press release that the Ravens released today where Marty
Speaker 1: Morning Wag, who no longer works for the team, had
Speaker 1: to go against a Michael Lombardi podcast for you know,
Speaker 1: making him look like a bad guy for not believing
Speaker 1: in Lamar Jackson. That's why I get joy out of
Speaker 1: ridiculous things like this. Okay, West, you got any coming
Speaker 1: up this week? I talked to my editor. That's my
Speaker 1: favorite part of the show. What's going on with you?
Speaker 1: And I'll leave the relationship. Where are we at? I
Speaker 1: think we're okay. Yeah, yeah, I don't in terms of
Speaker 1: strength of the relationship right now or joy meter. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty, that's positively joyful. Yeah, Ally and I are friends.
Speaker 1: I like him. Uh, it might be a comeback Player
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