1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast is making the leap. Welcome 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Round the League Podcast. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansons and I am joined by 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: a room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenal. 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: What up, boys, what up? Get to be back? Greg 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: out of the chair. Immediately back from vacation. What did 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: you do on vacation? Greg, Um? I listened to our 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: podcast and I heard from a variety of sources, but 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: mostly from Mark's mouth that Dan and Chris Wesley and 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: we're running amuck last week. But Mark was the only one, 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: well keep things in line, unfortunately, And you know, I 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: feel for Dan and west That is accurate. I didn't. 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: I didn't really think that we were that out of control. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: But I perhaps we're just bad boys. Maybe we're the 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: bad boys of a t L. And Mark, who I 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: thought was maybe, isn't I care about the league. I 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: had a very nice vacation though, to to your question, 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: it's delicious to have a vacation where you don't get 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: on a plane and travel anywhere. You know, we had 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: a date, We had a three night trip at one point, 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: but it was great. That's good. And now Chris Westling 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: the chair is empty. He is now in Cincinnati. He 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: will be doing some time with a family for the 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: next week. So this is what happens before training camp starts. 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: We get all this vacation stuff out of the way, 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: and then we come together like a force for the 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: start of training camp. So that's it. This is the 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: last week of vacation among us. Right, I have brought 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: a bit of Chris into the studio. What's that? Well, 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: because it's twelve degrees in here and I am wearing 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: Chris is what would you call this varsity letter jacket, 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: a petticoat, very fluffy pockets. It is kind of adorable 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: that you're wearing like his jacket, a lock of his 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: hair or something weird. So that's that's a lock of 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Chris Wesling's hair. I see that he pinned your jacket too, 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: like they did in the old days. Now you're my 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: girl forever. It's a great garment. This this really is 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: the last week though, Dan Friday, Yes, the Buffalo Bills 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: show up to work and start a little thing called 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: training camp. The summer is over, it's coming. That's this 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: upcoming credit that's four days from now. You even before 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: that we're gonna have our a f C Training Camp 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: preview to get ready for that. We're gonna do that 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: the a f C Training Camp Preview NFC next week. 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into all of that. It's gonna be 46 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: very good. I mean on the site and on the 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: podcast NFL dot com Slash a t L for everything 48 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: that you're looking for. And speaking of which, the Making 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: the Leap series, which we've been counting down for the 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: last several weeks, comes to a conclusion on today's show, 51 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna hit the number two and number one Making 52 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: the Leap candidates. Uh, we're gonna get Kevin Patra or 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: a t L Chicago correspondent. I like to think of 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: Patra as if you used to watch Inside the NFL 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: NFL on HBO back in the day. He's like are 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: Gary Myers comes in, He like sidles into the studio 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: and he just he dropped some nuggets and that he disappears. 58 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: You don't remember as a sidekick. I was thinking Jimmy 59 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: the Greek potentially minus the gambling. But we'll talk about 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: this acord of the show. Gary Meyers, we're the newsday reporter. 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: He used to be on Inside the NFL. Okay, let's 62 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: keep moving. Sorry, Greg, I don't know. Sorry, you didn't 63 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: have premium cable as a kid. Put it on a 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: little Gary Myers was back then. Okay, So we're gonna 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: do We're gonna wrap up the Making the Leap. We're 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: also going to get into some players that we believe 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: well whatever. The opposite of making the Leap is guys 68 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: that will regress. Starting this year, we're gonna go around 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: the table and nominate a few guys for that title, 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: which is not something you want to be involved with. 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: But before any of that, t D, how are you, buddy? 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? Are you guys doing good? And 73 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people ask on Twitter now just like 74 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: they did when gold Standard was our producer, We're getting 75 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot of tweets how do we follow black Tie? 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: How do you follow TD? What is his handle? And 77 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: it is at producer t D And it's not just 78 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, it's not something I usually plug on 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: shows because it's not my show. Humble man, you know, 80 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: but if you want to, if you want to, you know, 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: follow and get some thoughts in the all things sports. 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a one sport guy though, so people do 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: that fire beware. Yeah, and he is a humble man. 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: Other than the fact that before today's show he was 85 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: talking about the possibility of buying a yellow uh camaro 86 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: one day because he is in that pocket in life 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: where he feels like it wouldn't be ridiculous, it would 88 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: be the least ridiculous. Right now, let's put it that way. 89 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: Giving us some thought. But real quick though, I just 90 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: love again Gregg's body language. I love when he's fired up, 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: he's pointing. It's kind of like petting manning at the line. 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: He just keeps pointing it stuff. It's like TV going 93 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: on is a body language expert, and we'll be leaning 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: on that often during in the regular season when it 95 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: comes to watching games and reactions on the sidelines, things 96 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: of that nature. That would be a great tool. I'm 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: glad you're a fan. I mean, some some people have 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: suggested medicine for all this, but I guess you're using 99 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: into my advantage of their suggestions. Um T D Can 100 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: we do some news? Is that the final whistle that 101 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: ends the World Cup? Dan, You got it exactly right, exact, 102 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: no different sports. You know that's what it was. You know, 103 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: it's the final whistle. It's the soccer whistle that three 104 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: when it's a rap from the World Cup. I know 105 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: you guys were plugged in like I was, and produced 106 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: the ghost and it was so there is some relief. 107 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: If does anyone else feel that, I'm just I enjoyed it. 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: I have to say, I like that it was on 109 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: in the office. I like that it was just something 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: different too. But when it was over, I thought, good, 111 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: get out of our face. By the way, it's hard 112 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: to take you serious right now, Mark, because you're purple 113 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: fleet that you're beause now you've lowered it below your 114 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: shoulders and it's almost an intimate against the microphone. Had 115 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: to I had to take this whatever, this overcoat something 116 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: like a hot chick with dude to like, let you 117 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: know she's interested. He shoulder the body language. Guys, I'm not. 118 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: I'm not loving it. I gotta say, you know, it 119 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: was for audio issues. It wasn't suggestive. I you know, 120 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: I took it that way. What were we talking about? 121 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: The world Congrats to Germany? Yeah, I like every four years. 122 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: To me, it is perfect. Yeah it was. It was 123 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: a ton of fun, but we've got something else to 124 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: get onto. I would say, there was a big soccer 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: football fan. It was sort of depressing when the team, 126 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: I say, went out, not because the tournament, but also 127 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: because most people at work stopped watching. I would be like, 128 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: I was like the only one who was at my 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: deskin watching the game. So I kind of felt bad. 130 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: And it's like I watched, yes, and I gotta I 131 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: gotta try like look like I'm working all right. So anyway, 132 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: let's do some news. The Denver Broncos or five months 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: removed from a tough beating in the Super Bowl at 134 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: the hands of the Seattle Seahawks. Now you double down 135 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: this season. They have Manning, who's not getting any younger. 136 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: They get de Marcus where you know, this is a 137 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: team obviously built to win now, and it makes sense 138 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: that cornerback Chris Harris had this to say to ESPN 139 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: dot COM's Jeff Legwald. Guys know what's at stake this year? 140 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: At least they should. It's Super Bowl or bust for us. 141 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: That's a fair statement, right, That's fair for Denver. Yeah, 142 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean anything less. Let me go ahead. I was 143 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: gonna say, I got us thinking, he got us thinking 144 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw I just came up with a list. 145 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: You let me know if I missed anybody here. Teams 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: where it's absolutely super Bowl or bust. As a fan 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: of the Patriots, for instance, it's a weird spot because 148 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: I really appreciate how good they are year after year, 149 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it when they make the Super Bowl 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: even if they lose. But there is a feeling at 151 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: this point that it's basically a huge disappointment if they 152 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: don't win the Super Bowl, which is a tough bar, 153 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: but that's sort of where they set it of what 154 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: other teams are at that point, where if they don't 155 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: win or make the Super Bowl, the whole seasons a 156 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: let down, and there is to tie in another sport 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: outside football Baseball. There was a George Steinbrunner. They used 158 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: to call the Steinbrenner doctrine around the Yankees organization, and 159 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: it was as follows, anything short of World Series championship 160 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: is considered failure, which is a very hard way to 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: do business internally, and the pressure is outrageous because it's 162 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: hard to win a Super Bowl. So here are the 163 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: six teams I thought of, Greg, you mentioned the Patriots, Niners, Seahawks, 164 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: Broncos are four for shure of me. And then the 165 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: two that we talked about downstairs, Packers and Saints. Seems 166 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: to me those are two teams that are conditioned to 167 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: want that Super Bowl or bust. I totally agree. And 168 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: the thing that they both have in common is that 169 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: the coach and quarterback that are in place right now 170 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: have one super Bowls, and I think once you get 171 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: one and everything around you is legitimate, and the quarterbacks 172 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: in his prime than anything short of that's a big letter. 173 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: And that's the b line. For every team you mentioned, 174 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: there's a quarterback riding the wave of either in the 175 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: prime or with Denver in New England and SMIT maybe 176 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: to some extent New what New Orleans quarterbacks near the end? Yes? 177 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: Is there are there any teams not mentioned there that 178 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe are close to that level or have just come 179 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: down from that level. I don't think New Orleans is 180 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: the one that's even tricky. I mean it's crazy for me, 181 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: as someone who went to a lot of games coached 182 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: by Jim Haslett and quarterback by Aaron Brooks, that even 183 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: making the Super Bowls of two Lane graduates would somehow 184 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: be a disappointment for the Saints. So that they're close. 185 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else is that click. I mean, 186 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: if Philly made the Super Bowl, wouldn't that just be 187 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: a we're happy to be here? That is a huge win. 188 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be great to win the actual game, 189 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: but if you get there, you're happy. I think the 190 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: same would be true for the Colts or even the 191 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Steelers if they bounce back. I can't think of another team. 192 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: Al Right, well then we'll cap it right there. Moving forward, 193 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: here's another team. Maybe you can make a case or 194 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: given you have again the quarterback and coach together, the 195 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: New York Alliance One Off Stories sees one off season 196 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: storyline for this team has been the rise of Giants 197 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo, who replaced Kevin Gilbride, and Eli 198 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: Manning coming off I guess the worst season of his 199 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: career or since he became a veteran quarterback. Have this 200 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: to quote this quote to say, it's re energized me. 201 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: Manning told the New York Delhly News. I'm trying to 202 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: speed up the process of getting comfortable in the new 203 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: offensive system. I don't have ten years. I have a 204 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: few months. Are we buying buying a little Giants by 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: offensive research buying the idea that they if you're Eli Manning, 206 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: that there's something about challenging about this stage of your 207 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: career now to be able to have a new coordinator 208 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: that new language wants to be impressed in a different way. 209 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Eli Manning has had a rough road the past couple 210 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: of seasons, but there's a lot of good things being 211 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: said about their play car Well. I think they have 212 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: talent on that roster at wide receiver. Eli Manning shown 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: he can do in the past. But Ben McAdoo is 214 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: one of the big wild cards this season. We don't know. 215 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: We don't know if he's any good or not. One 216 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: thing that's similar with Eli Manning, Peyton Manning has been 217 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: the same system his whole life. Kevin Gilbride is there forever, 218 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: Tom Coffin there forever. Peyton Manning until he moved to Denver, 219 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: he never really changed systems. They they changed the coaches 220 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: there a little bit, but it was always the same system. 221 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: So it's a big adjustment. Maybe it'll be great for you, 222 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: maybe it'll be terrible for him to have a big change. 223 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't know what The only other Packers offensive coordinator 224 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: to come out of that McCarthy. Tree is Joe philbin 225 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: Well not too impressive, not a hot resume. But Dan, 226 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: you are probably more on the Eli train than something not. 227 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: I mean I I'm probably higher on Eli than Chris 228 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: Westling as example, as an example who doesn't think too 229 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: highly of him. But I also understand with Eli. If 230 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: there's one player that's the ultimate wild card player of 231 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: his generation, it's Eli Manning. You really don't know what 232 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: you're getting year to year, week to week with him. 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: Would it shock me if he put up Pro Bowl production? No, 234 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: if he had another year like last year, I want 235 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: to be crazy shocked either. It's impossible to tell. And Gilbride, 236 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: after ten years, it was right to get him out 237 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: of town and and reboot the machine a little bit 238 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: before Eli gets old. I think I like what the 239 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: Giants did and I like the moves they made. I 240 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: think they've set themselves up well, but I don't think 241 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: it guarantees anything before they all get fired. I mean, 242 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: Coughlin and Eli, they had to do something. If this 243 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work, if it bombed out, they could all be fired. 244 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: Concluding Eli, the Ravens finished out of the top ten 245 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: in total defense for the second consecutive year in two 246 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen. That hadn't happened in the franchise's history 247 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: since moving from Mark Cleveland up there. That was just 248 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: I was just I'm not going to joyfully chime in 249 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: with that anytime we pointed you were looking for the answer. 250 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: Cleveland beautifully in baking warm in the sweatshirt. I just 251 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: was in a like that now crept back over the shoulders, 252 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: which makes me more comfortable anyway. So back to the 253 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: point less fifteen years, UM, this is the last two 254 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: years of the first time they've finished out of the 255 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: top ten in total defense. John Harbaugh expects the defense 256 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: to make a jump back to prominence. In this is 257 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: his quote. The expectation for our defense is to be 258 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: top five at the worst, Harbaugh said, It has always 259 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: been that way and always will be. One thing I 260 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: want to add fourth throw to you guys, is the 261 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: amount of turnover here in the NFL. This is indicative 262 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: of the whole league. But they won the Super Bowl 263 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: on February third, two thousand, what was it, thirteen. There's 264 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: two guys left on an entire starting defense, Um and Terrels. 265 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: That's it. So this is a totally new defense. Essentially, 266 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: it's a ton of change inside what otherwise has been 267 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: an incredibly consistent organization. So that's less. It's not like 268 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: they changed every coach and they brought in a whole 269 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: new regime. I think, what what a it's coach speak, 270 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: but be what hardball likes. Number One, Maddie Lamb is 271 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: gonna move over to strong safety, which is his natural position, 272 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: and they keep in their mind hitting on draft picks. 273 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: They've gone heavy on the draft on defense, and C. J. 274 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Mosley lit it up in the spring and they feel 275 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: like he's a week one starter. That's where your hope 276 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: lies with some of these young guys, right and also 277 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: with guys that were on the roster for the Super 278 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Bowl but weren't starting back then. Lard Arius Webb was injured, 279 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: could be a top level cornerback. Jimmy Smith, who has 280 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: arrested over the weekend, is a pretty good starting. Harry 281 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: promising he's a good starting cornerback. And so they're needing 282 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: these young guys like Mosley, those two cornerbacks to step up. 283 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: Brandon Williams is probably gonna start at defensive tackle. They 284 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: need that next generation because that's the team that's the 285 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: way this team is won in the past. And yeah, 286 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: to your point, mark the last three picks of each 287 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: of the past two drafts, the Ravens have gone defense. 288 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: So Ozzi and Newsom, who should be given the benefit 289 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: of the doubt. We know what he's capable of. Has 290 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: was realized that change was a coming. He's invested in 291 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: a new defense and now we get to see what 292 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: happens with him. I think they were a little better 293 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: last year too than people remember. They were pretty effective 294 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: for most of the year. It was more of the 295 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: offense problem. Also, the entire conceded what I just brought 296 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: up is this the second straight year they finished out 297 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: of top ten. That first year they won the Super Bowl. 298 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: So you don't need a dominating defense, right And the 299 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: thing that I'd be most worried about that that people 300 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: don't talk about is they've had a great string of 301 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator masterminds over the year. You know, Rex Ryan 302 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: and Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan did really well for them. 303 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Pagano not a lot of people, you know, getting too 304 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: excited about Dean pas Dean Peace did a nice job. 305 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: Though people are like, watch out for peas really little 306 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: guy to basically get fired for by Bill Belichick for 307 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: being the defensive court for Market and a guy named 308 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Dean Peace. Let's be honest, it's it's tough. I don't 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: know if you got if you listen to the end 310 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: of the last week last week's show and Mark defended 311 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell. Now he's now he's getting in on Dean Pas. 312 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: I think that you don't have to look far other 313 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: than the Ravens to see that Caldwell did a nice job. 314 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: Peas did a nice che So I mean, what do 315 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: you need to do? You gotta be a tough guy, 316 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: a tough minded individual to survive the childhood that taunts 317 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: that came at Dean Pas. He could on d P 318 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: NonStop because you can either you can either cave in 319 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: or you can respond and become an NFL coach. My 320 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: name is Dean Peas. Yeah, DP, you should not go 321 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: by DP. Fair enough alright, Moving on the Cleveland Browns, 322 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: Mark Cleveland, whoire? What have I'm going to use your 323 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: lead from your post on the Round the League page. 324 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns have a new coach, a new cornerback, 325 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: m Dash, and the new mascot oh yeah, the team 326 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: will use a live mass teeth to lead the players 327 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: onto the field comes Sundays. Of course, the name of 328 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: the canine swagger. You are a factory of static. Mark 329 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: that is ill placed that sound clip because I think 330 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: things the whole point is they feel you've got Lebron 331 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: James in town. Now you've got Johnny football, things will 332 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: change a little bit, so why not get I think 333 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: we also called it a four legged trinket players out 334 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: onto the field, and you also mention excited about I 335 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: am you know they haven't actually pinpointed a dog to 336 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: play this role, right, but they there will be a dog. 337 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: I think the concept this is a move by the 338 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: Browns to again use Mark's wording to lift their profile 339 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: after quote years of serving as a Q rating nether 340 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: world referring to Cleveland. So, Mark, you seem to be 341 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: plugged in on this mass thief situation, and who knows, 342 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: hopefully it works out for you. I think it's the 343 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: beginning of don't you worry about this live animal on 344 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: the field and being involved here here's what I would 345 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: take away. The only other three teams that use living 346 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: animal mascots are Seattle, Denver in Baltimore two have one 347 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: the last two Super Bowls and the other attendant one 348 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of those games. So you gotta you have a sessler 349 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: about Swagger. I like, where this is? God? Swagger is 350 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: my deodorant? That that is a good sense. T you 351 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: have a thought on this? Yeah, quick, I'll take here. 352 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: Obviously right now was the center of the sports universe. 353 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: Did you guys happen to see Brian Horry's tweet when 354 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: you welcome Lebron James back? Yes you did. Brian Hawier 355 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: has a Twitter account. He does have a Twitter verified. 356 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Yes it is. Don't you need like five NFL starts 357 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: to get verified that if you guys. So it was 358 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: pretty much directed to Johnny Manziel. Right, let's hear it 359 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: all right here he goes. He goes best quote from 360 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: at King James article in Northeast Ohio. Nothing is given, 361 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: everything is earned. You have to work for what you have. 362 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: Pashtack Cleveland. He has been very withdrawn. But I listen, 363 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: I think people forget that the heat around Hoyer is 364 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: that he grew up in Cleveland, played high school football there. 365 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: That's why he's got some stay in Coward. Greg pointed 366 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: out a photo where what was it? There was There 367 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: was a guy at the Indians game U the first pitch, 368 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: of course, as a as a dignitary and one of 369 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: the biggest stars of Cleveland. Someone had a huge sign 370 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: up with his picture on it that said, this is 371 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Hoyer Country, Cleveland is Cleveland. Stay out of your own way. 372 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: Come on, guys. Speaking of the Cleveland Browns, authorities say 373 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: the truck stop company owned by Brown's owner Jimmy Haslum 374 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: and Tennessee Governor Bill Haslum, has agreed to pay ninety 375 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: two million in fines for cheating customers out of promised 376 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: rebates and discounts. Obviously, this is some thing that's been 377 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: hanging over the franchise for more than a year now. 378 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: The Pilot Flying j Company has a now accepted responsibility 379 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: for the criminal conduct of his employees, ten of whom 380 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: have pleaded guilty to participating in the scheme. Greg, do 381 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: you want to give some insight on what this might 382 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: mean for Jimmy Hazel? No, I don't. I want to 383 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: keep I'm not a legal expert. Uh. This is one 384 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: of those stories though. When I read the press release 385 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: that came out with it, you just don't know everything, 386 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: unless you are a lawyer like I don't know if 387 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: this means it's the end of the story. It's obviously 388 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: good news. There's no way that it's it's bad news. 389 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: And I'm sure the Browns will be excited if this 390 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: is just behind them. Well, it's good news for some people, 391 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: one of them being Jimmy Haslum theory. Right, I think 392 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm not not good news for everyone. What about Swagger? 393 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: Is it possible he could end up in a kennel 394 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: or some type of There are still adequate funds to 395 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: bring Swagger on board. Swagger, it's some made up you know. 396 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: Stop losing twelve games before you you name your dog Swagger? Well, 397 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: it's a meaningless word about respectability. If someone uses the 398 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: words swagger in a sports column, it means they don't 399 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: know anything or momentum and I just did this morning whatever. 400 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: But that's about the dog, all right. Well, I just 401 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: want to make sure failed shot. Okay, all right, let's 402 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: move on, let's finish out. Are making the Leap series. 403 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: We have come to the end of the road on 404 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: a celebrated web series by the Around the League team. 405 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: Great work by all involved, especially Mark. I mean I 406 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: thought your stuff was great. Chris did great stuff, Greg 407 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: did great stuff. Kevin Patra who we're going to get 408 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: on the phone at a moment, but let's start with 409 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: number two. Do we call him the runner up making 410 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: the Leap champion? Is that's so fair? That's fair? Okay? 411 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: He is New Orleans Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro, who obviously 412 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: added another dimension to that team last year and Rob 413 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: Ryan couldn't get enough of a car. He's a guy 414 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: that obviously had the ability to change what they did 415 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: in the back. And now Greg Rosenthal thinks that Vacaro 416 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: makes the Leap and if you're number two in the 417 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: Making the Leap series, you've got to be close to 418 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: edging towards superstar status. And that has proven because last 419 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: year number two was Bruce Carter. Number one was Hey, 420 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: we had a lot of winds elsewhere in the list. 421 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: Don't worry, alright, Greg, go ahead. Kenny Vacaro is similar 422 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: to some of the other guys I wrote about with 423 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: Making the Leap and that you can't really define what 424 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: it is that he plays, and that's the perfect type 425 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: of guy. In two thousand and fourteen, Rob Bryan wants 426 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: a safety that's like a linebacker that's like a cornerback, 427 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: and that's what Vicaro does. He plays tight ends and 428 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the slot very well. And usually that 429 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: type of safety is the Ed Reid type, but Vicia 430 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: is a big He's very good and run support and 431 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: he was better when he was near the line of scrimmage, 432 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: and so you can move him all around, and he's 433 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of that piece that Ryan I think was looking 434 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: for to build his defense around. They love having safeties 435 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: that are flexible, and now you add Jari's bird to 436 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: the mix, and I think that's part of the reason 437 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: why the Caro is set up to be so special. 438 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: And by of course Mark Well they you know, they 439 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: talked to this offseason about the Saints maybe using which 440 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: they did a little bit at the end of last year, 441 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: three safety sets, because you'd have your two traditional and 442 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: then you can move the car around all over the place. 443 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: He's the one guy on this list when we sat 444 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: down and ate our sandwiches and decided who would be 445 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: on this that I argued and a couple of us did. 446 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: He's already made the lead because last season he was 447 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: so outstanding and Ryan City never gave any rookie as 448 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: much responsibility, but he did get hurt, so I guess 449 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: that's one reason he was up and down early in 450 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: the year. He came on late, I think, and he 451 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of big places. He's the type 452 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: of guy that I loved watching for this assignment because 453 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: he's a hard guy to appreciate just on a down 454 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: to down basis, because you don't see all the different 455 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: things that he did. I mean, he broke up a 456 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: pass to win the game in his first NFL game 457 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: covering Tony Gonzal, so that got some attention. He made 458 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: some nice plays against the Panthers on National TV, but 459 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the things he does doesn't really show 460 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: up in the box score. Kind of like a hard 461 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: nosed Earl Thomas type of guy. Rob Ryan called the 462 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: car the best quote overall safety in the league, though 463 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: he admitted that Earl Thomas was the best free safety. 464 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: Uh Gregg. By the end of the season, will we 465 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: be seeing Kenny macaro as a guy that shows up 466 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: on top ten defensive players in the whole NFL type list? 467 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: That could be pushing it, but I can see him 468 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: making a Pro Bowl And you look at the strong 469 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: safeties that have made it in recent years, Eric Berry, 470 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Troy Palomalo last year, Dante Whitner and Lauren Landry made 471 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: it a couple of years ago, and I think Vico's 472 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: ready to pass them. And to be mentioned with camp 473 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: Chancellor and Barry as one of the best safeties in 474 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the league at that position, and you could see him 475 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: and Bird both making the Pro Bowl. Is that the 476 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: best tandem in the league right there? Well, you gotta 477 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: give it to Seattle, but after that, I think you 478 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: have to give it to the champs. I mean they 479 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: have Earl Thomas is number one. Camp Chancellor has been great. 480 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: But what New Orleans is doing is setting up to 481 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: be a very similar type of setup where Bird is 482 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of playing the Earl Thomas role and Vocaro is 483 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: a much more versatile type of Chancellor. The team of 484 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: a t L which will be figuring out as the 485 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: training camp goes along and entering the regular season. I 486 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody mentioned the Saints yet, have I we 487 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: talked about it, talked about a little bit. I feel 488 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: like they're a team that perhaps is a team that 489 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: could come up as a nominee. We'll see. Well, there 490 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: used to be a team that was like, all right, 491 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: they have an exciting offense and we'll deal with the defense. 492 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of reasons and to be intrigued 493 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: about both sides right now. All right? So number one 494 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: on the Making the List Leap list for two thousand fourteen. 495 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: Do we have a drum roll today? Get excited, everybody? 496 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: Number one, Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Corderyl Patterson. Congratulations buddy, 497 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: And now we have Cordell on the phone. Let's get 498 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: him on No, just kidding. We have the next best thing, 499 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Patrack coming at you. That is that is flattering. 500 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: If I'm the next best thing, well, I mean, do 501 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: you want us to be honest about it? There are 502 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: a couple You're like the fourth best next I was 503 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna say six or seventh best thing. If I'm on 504 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: the list of next best thing, that's pretty good. There's 505 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: a lot of things out there. Kevin. You've been talking 506 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: up Patterson since January. It's like you basically we basically 507 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: did making the Leap this year just so Kevin Patrick 508 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: could write about Cordero Patters. Thanks for all the work, Kevin. Yeah. 509 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: So Kevin, tell us what gets you so excited? About 510 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: this young playmaker. Oh, it's just his explosive ability. I mean, 511 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: I think he's built well, he's six two and shorter 512 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: than Josh Gordon, but he's got speed, despair, and he's 513 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: a lot tougher than I thought coming into the season. Um, 514 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: and just the way he played down the stretch with 515 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: phenomenal six of his final nine touchdowns either receiving or 516 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: or or running. We're in the final five weeks. Kind 517 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: of his swell runs which three of those included touchdowns 518 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: were in the final five weeks. Twenty four of his 519 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: forty five catches were in the final five six games. 520 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I mean, he just really it all came 521 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: together between. Part of it could have been Bill Musky 522 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: finally figuring out, hey, I need to get this guy 523 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: the ball, which good coaches would probably have done that 524 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot sooner, and a part of him figuring out 525 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: how his place in the offense. Well, now we now 526 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: they have Norv Turner, which we saw last year what 527 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: he did with Jordan Cameron and Josh Gordon with a 528 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: hobby horse collection of quarterbacks, a little bit better situation 529 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. What do you do you see for how 530 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: does Turner change what happens with Patterson. Well, what I 531 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see a lot more of this year. 532 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, at the beginning of last year it was 533 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: all short intermediate routes. It was too three yards screen 534 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: passes and Bill Musgrave's offense. I think Turner's gonna let 535 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: him cut him loose, uh more. He's gonna do what 536 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: he did a little with Josh Gordon, those drag routes, 537 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: crossing routes, slant routes. When Coral Patterson figured it out 538 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: near the end of the year. He can get his 539 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: body between the defender and the ball on the flant 540 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: route and if he I think next year he'll be 541 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: able to catch those instead of getting tackled. He'll he'll 542 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: make those runs sort of like Calvin Johnson is able 543 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: to do for the line. How much are we concerned 544 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: about their quarterback situation affecting his ability to make the leap? Well, 545 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: I think Mark hit it sort of on the head. 546 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Where if North Turner could do with what with Josh 547 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Campbell and and Brian Hoyer and Brandon Weedon yet last 548 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: year with Josh Gordon, why would we wouldn't we expect 549 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: him be able to do it with Matt Castle and 550 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, which was in my eyes, a major upgrade 551 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: in both situations. And Patterson's gonna make his plays after 552 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: the catch, I think, I mean, you got to get 553 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: him the ball. Obviously, you want him to do more 554 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: than just catch bubble screens and all that. But that's 555 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: what makes him special when you watch him run. I'm 556 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: trying to think of a another guy in the league 557 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: that that's like Cordarrel Patterson. Does anyone anyone have a 558 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: good comp for him right now? He's I mean, he's 559 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: amazing to watch. The only thing, I mean, kickoff reterns. 560 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: He reminded me of a taller, you know, Devin Hester 561 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: type where he could shift his picks, and I compared 562 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: him kind of like a meld of dev Devin Hester 563 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: and Julio Jones get the ball as a receiver. I mean, 564 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a one to one comparison 565 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: because of that fact part. Percy Harvin might be the 566 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: best one. The guy he's replacing. He's bigger, but I 567 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: don't know if he runs as as tough as Percy 568 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Harvin does. Her. Harvin is a little more physical, But 569 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: to me, those two are kind of similar players and 570 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: Patterson he's just one of those guys. He makes other 571 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: NFL athletes look ordinary and you just don't see that 572 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: much at the NFL level where he's on the field 573 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: and he's making defenders look like Slappy's. What do you 574 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: think about I mean their ability that he had twelve 575 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: carries last year for a hundred and fifty eight yards 576 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: three touchdowns. He had a fifty yard touchdown run. You 577 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: have suspect quarterback play potentially, But how how about the 578 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: idea of them finding other ways to get him the 579 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: ball on offense. I would be interested to see if 580 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: north Turner will try to do that. I'm not sure 581 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: that you want to You want to put him in 582 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: the back field too much. I mean, I think fifteen 583 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: carries over the course of the season wouldn't be a 584 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: surprised um. But again that don't he had one or 585 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: two carries in the last five or six games. He 586 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: had too before that each game. Uh. I don't see 587 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: it being a huge part of their offense, but I 588 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: think it could be a change of pace and how 589 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: I certainly think you'll get more end around your last 590 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: because when you get him in space is when he 591 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: when he's almost untacklable, especially in the set once you 592 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: get he gets him the secondary. He's too strong for 593 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: for quarterbacks and safety's missing a lot. Well, this making 594 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: the Leap series. It's our baby, Kevin. And we gave 595 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: the number one spot on the list to you, so 596 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: that means you are my favorite. Well, I would have fought. 597 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: I would have fought if I didn't get it. I 598 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: requested it immediately. Has anyone we would add some battle um? 599 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: Has anyone ever called you an evolutionary? Gary Myers? Has 600 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: everyone ever called me? You'll have to listen to the show. 601 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: That will all tie together when you listen later. All right, 602 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: last thing over under over under Cordell Patterson. We'll started 603 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: to catch a sixty five receptions over. I'll go over 604 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: to I will go over as well, and as will 605 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Patra. Here we go you ready, one thousand, one 606 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: and seventy five yards receiving Greg Ros I'll go over. 607 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: We've at him number one on the list. I think 608 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: so too. Why not go over? Okay, I'll go a 609 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: little bit under, but I think he'll be in a 610 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: thousand yard guy. And finally, what about Patra? I know 611 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: his because I'm looking at his copy, but go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, 612 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: he's setting me up to sail on that one. I'll 613 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: go with eleven two. I like that. And finally ten 614 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: total touchdowns, Greg ros Over, We're gonna ride this number one. 615 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: Oh we can. He will have eleven and will get 616 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: a penalized called back. He'll finish the season with tennys 617 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: A weird one. I like it. Patra over Over he 618 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: had nine last year eason way over all right, and 619 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: last one I'll add one more. Three special team scores, 620 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Greg Rosen, come on, come on, I'll get it in. 621 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: Come on, let's get how about over under? Patrick? How 622 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: many times? Uh? I don't know what people do in 623 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: the gym, but I do know you worked out right 624 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: before we called you so over under, sit ups or whatnot. 625 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Today Today was core day, you know, Patrick, who's got 626 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: a great body. Uh. You know, when we were structuring 627 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: the show, we were made aware that Kevin would be 628 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: at the gymnasium, the local gym, pumping iron, and just 629 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: that we had to work around the schedule a little bit. 630 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: That's just the dedication to not just as craft. As 631 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: you read the around the League page and also when 632 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: you hear his voice, that he cares about what he's doing, 633 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: dedication to his own body, which is a temple, and 634 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: it's a dedication professional athletes. You can't try to get 635 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: in tape yourself. It's a dedication that the rest of 636 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: the around the League crew does not share with you. Kevin. 637 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: Actually know, I was at the gym the other day 638 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: and I saw Cessler on the treadmill for like, and 639 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: and look at TV T looks great. Well, I think 640 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: Patrick's could all right, I'm just basing it on what 641 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: I seek. Alright, fabio, all right, let's included. Okay, your 642 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: body is pretty nice too, Greg alright, Kevin Patra that's it. 643 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for checking in this again for 644 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: the second straight show. Number one on the list. Cordell Patterson, congrats, buddy. 645 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Kevin. Oh that's Frank. Kevin Patrick will be out 646 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles and uh, we'll be stopping by 647 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: for some live round. Like we get to see the 648 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: results of all that work in the gym. That's why 649 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: you lift all them weights. Kevin Stall on the phone, Yeah, 650 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: all right, we'll see atlantic keef by. That was like 651 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: awkward FaceTime goodbyes that you know we do FaceTime with 652 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: with my daughter and my you know, but you can't. 653 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: They can't figure out how to end it and you've 654 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: said goodbye five ten times. Or if you're in like 655 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: the office cafeteria and someone sidles up to and starts 656 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: talking to you, and then you look down, you're on 657 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: your phone. You look up, he's still there. Nothing. Kevin 658 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: is that guy. But it was made. You shouldn't go 659 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: on your phone when people are when you're chatting with you. 660 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: All right, before we go, let's go through we did. 661 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: We just went through to one making the leap candidates. 662 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: Downstairs in the news room, the three of us got 663 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: to talking, as we want to do, of players that 664 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: will not make the leap. In fact, we'll regress. We 665 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: struggled coming up with a name of the segment taking 666 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: the plunge, taking a hit, taking a fall, uh, making 667 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: the anti leap, which makes no sense. I settled on one. 668 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna run by you guys right now, and 669 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. Listen and be aware there's a 670 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: there's a pause. Making the leap to irrelevance. Bang, moving 671 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: forwardly a little strong, I guess anyway, But you get 672 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: the most out of the most ridiculous ideas. You got 673 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: the point with. These are guys we think are gonna 674 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,439 Speaker 1: start going down hill. Patrick, you're still on the line, okay, 675 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: just checking, just checking, alright, So uh, let me get 676 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: it started. I'll start with the first one I had 677 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: in mind. He is Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald. 678 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: It's been a very special player for many years in 679 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: this league. He's entering his age thirty one season. I 680 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: think we've seen some signs of regression in the last 681 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: couple of years as he's breaking down a little bit. 682 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: I still think Fitzgerald will be a solid player, but 683 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna become a second Banana this year. 684 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: I think Michael Floyd, who's uh showed us a lot 685 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: last year when over a thousand yards, People are really 686 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: talking him up this spring as a guy that will 687 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: make his own leap. We didn't put him on the 688 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: lift list this year because he was on the list 689 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: last year and we nailed it. But anyway, so you're 690 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: gonna have Floyd. I think it's gonna merge as the 691 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: true number one target on that team. Bruce arians known 692 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: to move his aging wider. He was inside you're gonna 693 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: see Fitzgerald Moore is like a guy that runs underneath 694 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: patterns and more an inside receiver. Doesn't mean he won't 695 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: still be productive, but he won't be Larry Fitzgerald anymore. 696 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I will counter you on that because 697 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: A you labeled this series a pathway where the player 698 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: winds up irrelevant. I I obviously admitted that that was 699 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: a little strong worthy. Well, all right, so we agree 700 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: he won't be irrelevant come December, but I do uh disagree, 701 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: and we're all going to be irrelevant eventually. We'll all 702 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: be gone later, that's for sure. What was that? I 703 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: don't know, just I'm it's factual, he says the man 704 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: wearing another man's purple jacket. I know? Is that the 705 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: first sessler about another one of our deaths? Are you 706 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna kill me? Mark? You are attempting to deflect me 707 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,479 Speaker 1: from making my point. That's gonna totally disrupt your prediction. Okay, 708 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: go ahead, But I just I look at I look 709 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: at Fitzgerald. They're moving. Well, we've heard about what's happened 710 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: in the off season. He's being used all over the place, 711 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: maybe kind of like the Reggie the Reggie Wayne scenario 712 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis with a veteran receiver that Bruce arians trusted, 713 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: and I think there was enough. This is gonna be 714 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: a high octane passing team. They got a lot of speed. 715 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: I just I see what you're saying. I think that 716 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: day is coming for him, not this season. I think 717 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: I disagree with Dan too, because he is gonna be 718 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: thirty one this year. Yes, it's not that old. He 719 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: will look at what he feels older because he's been 720 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: great since he was twenty one. But he still in 721 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: the had some good years left in his career. And 722 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: that comparison to Reggie Wayne was perfect. Because Fitzgerald isn't 723 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: as explosive as he once was, but that doesn't mean 724 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: he can't rack up some numbers. I don't. Okay, So 725 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: you think he could receiver. I think he could maybe, yes, Okay, 726 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: who also had a nice rebirth sort of after he 727 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: wasn't as explosive. Yeah, I still think he could have 728 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: better numbers this year than he had last year. Okay. 729 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: And before I move on, I just want to again 730 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: make it clear I don't think that Gerald has done 731 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: but I think seventy one thousand and six is more 732 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: his ceiling at this point, mark your turn. Well, yeah, 733 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go over to Buffalo, where I think 734 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: the point that the mistake here could be, oh, we 735 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: don't like these guys, or we got something for the 736 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: Fred Jackson is one dude that I respect. He is 737 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: outdone the He's had doubt as his whole career. He 738 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: keeps he's proven wrong over and over. But I think 739 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: that there's a situation right now where you've got C. J. Spiller, 740 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: And what we're reading from multiple people over the last 741 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: couple of weeks is that Bryce Brown projects as a 742 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: much bigger role than people thought. They made a trade 743 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: for him. Someone's gotta lose carries here, and I agree, 744 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: if it's not irrelevance, I think this is the year 745 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: that Fred Jackson drop off. He's gonna take a big 746 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: drop off where he's in the last year of his contract. 747 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: He turns thirty four next year, not hot on his numbers. 748 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised what we saw from Fred 749 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: Jackson last year. I thought he was basically headed towards 750 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: actual irrelevance. But yeah, I could see that happening, and 751 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: I think I'm in the club that thinks C. J. 752 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: Spiller is gonna have a nice bounce back season, and 753 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: then he had Brown, who obviously showed some things in Philly. 754 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: It makes sense that Fred is the odd man out. Well, 755 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: he is the a f c's answer to Frank Gore. 756 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: Every year people try to bury him, and every year 757 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: he figures it out. He holds a record. Unofficially, he 758 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: has been under drafted in fantasy leagues for eight straight years. 759 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 1: Fred Jackson never properly drafted. Greg you turn, I'm gonna 760 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: go big to start my boy Cam Newton. I'm a 761 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: big fan, But we're talking about guys that could take 762 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: a hit. That surrounding talent, and that defense isn't gonna 763 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: be as dominant, and I don't think that running game 764 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 1: is that great. I'm I believe Cam Newton will play 765 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: better than his numbers and that he'll do his best, 766 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: but with that surrounding talent, I think it's gonna be 767 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: tough for him and the Panthers to repeat. And I 768 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: think he'll get a out of blame for it. But 769 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: we're not talking we're talking about a season drop off 770 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: nine career. I'm not I'm just saying it's gonna be 771 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: tough for Cam Newton with that group around him, to 772 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: do as well this year as he did last year. 773 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: So taking a drop off, I think he's gonna he's 774 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna take such a drop Carpenter two seasons, he's out 775 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: of the football league entirely. Yes, So he ends his 776 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: career where Harrison Ford began his just doing the sidings 777 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: to like that. Um no, I agree with you, and 778 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: I have a settler in my own that this time 779 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: next year, or let's say this time entering free agency 780 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: in the draft, the Panthers will be coming off a 781 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: seven and nine. Newton will have a year where his 782 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: weapons fail him and he's frustrated his contracts coming near 783 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: an end, and it's gonna be a huge story that 784 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: the Panthers need to build an offense around him or 785 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: he's going to leave the team. Book it like that. 786 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: This is when I'm almost emotionally protecting myself hoping I'm wrong, 787 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: because as a big Cam Newton fan, I'm just really 788 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: afraid of what's going to happen this season. I got 789 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 1: another one, Antonio Gates nice nugget in a Chris Westling 790 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: positional rankings piece from a couple of weeks ago, Antennio 791 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: Gates average six point four receptions and eighty seven point 792 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: six yards three Week five of last season, we were 793 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: all talking about, oh Antonio Gates is back then those 794 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: numbers plummeted to three point four and thirty four point 795 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: five yards per game after Keenan allen Um took over. 796 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: Now you have also Ladarius Green, who were very high 797 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 1: on and making the leap candidate Gates getting older another 798 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: year slower, and I think Gates will not be completely 799 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: phased out, but I think by this time next year 800 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: there will be no question who's the number one tight 801 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: end and Alan will continue to be. Alan Gates's days 802 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: as a big time tight end or over well, that's 803 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: a lot of factors. The age in in in the 804 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: place he is in his career makes an argument for that. 805 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: I would say that Mike McCoy and you know last 806 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: or wizen Hunt helped reignite Gates for a good portion 807 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: of the season. They ran the ball crazy down the stretch. 808 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: That hurt all those guys numbers. But fair point, they've 809 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: got an air apparent behind him that's going to chip 810 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: away at his at his stats. If we're saying fair 811 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: or unfair to this. That is fair. That's fair. That's 812 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: a great mark going down. This pains me because what 813 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: I want when we talk about a player that needs 814 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,959 Speaker 1: to be free to go do and finish his career 815 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: the right way, that's Andre Johnson to me. We talked 816 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: about that a few shows ago. I don't like his situation. 817 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: He's in Houston. He's still an excellent athlete, but he's 818 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: getting up there in age, which wouldn't be a concern 819 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 1: for me if he was on the Patriots or another 820 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: team that could put him in a good position. He's 821 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: got Ryan Fitzpatrick is his quarterback on an offense that 822 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: I I would argue lacks identity right now because it 823 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: used to be go pound the ball with Arian Foster. 824 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: But he's coming off a crazy back injury filled season. 825 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,240 Speaker 1: I just don't like Andre Johnson's situation in this offense. 826 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: I will throw one counter out and I agree with 827 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: you on balance, but I want to give you Andre 828 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: Johnson's numbers last year. Oh they were insane. But that's 829 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: a good reason to predict he's gonna take a hit. 830 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: What comes up must come down progression to the mean. 831 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 1: I mean he could drop five yards like that. Yeah, 832 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: we're not predicting he'll be. Are you gonna let me 833 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,919 Speaker 1: recite the numbers at least before you bury? My point, 834 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: that would be fair of you to do premature burial. 835 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: It's been done. Yeah, A hundred and nine catches, four 836 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: hundred and seven yards, only five touchdowns. My point being 837 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: that that was with uh the artists formerly known as 838 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: Matt Schob a little case Keenum, who else was in 839 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 1: the mix last year? That was your mix. I mean, so, 840 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking that you can make the argument as 841 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: long as Andre Johnson shows up, he's gonna eat, He's 842 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: gonna get his yards because he's that good. Well, it's 843 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: a different offense this year, and I just I know, 844 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: I hope he eat. That he's gonna stuff his face, 845 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna get really fat, and that will be trying 846 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: to retire Fitzgerald at age one. Couple. I think I 847 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: spoke with some nuance on the topic, and you know it, 848 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: who's up next? I'll go, I'll talk about West Welker 849 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: because he wasn't the same player at the end of 850 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: last season. He's got a big injury scare. They're vatted 851 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: people around him. I just don't think I think he'll 852 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: be a factor, but I don't think the a f 853 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: C is leading receiver or Pro Bowls or even thousand 854 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: yards seasons are in the cards him anymore. I agree. 855 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: I think he's heading down that road, and this maybe 856 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: is the year where they seem to be planning for 857 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 1: that to happen potentially, So I think if the team 858 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 1: is showing that might be a possibility. Yes, Okay, And 859 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: finally it's do kind of a lightning round for the 860 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: last one, so were a little short on time. I 861 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: will start to Marcus where devor broncos that you've got 862 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of money on the open market to be 863 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: got be the guy that you pair up with von 864 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: Miller to bring the pass rush. I think his place 865 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,799 Speaker 1: slipped last year, maybe not as much as some people thought, 866 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: but maybe he's just he's not the same guy. And 867 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't see him making 868 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: the impact that people think. I see disappointment there, and 869 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if his body is capable of making 870 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: it through a full season at this state of his career. 871 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: I think he will be helped by von Miller on 872 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: the other side, but it's can you play a full season? 873 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: We don't know. I agree, Mark, I'm gonna go Arian Foster. 874 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: And again I'm not predicting the guy will be in 875 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,959 Speaker 1: a grave next season. But what I agree, Well, because 876 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: this isn't We're not saying there demise career wise, but 877 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: I I think statistically numbers off of what we would 878 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: think and where he's gonna get trapped fantasy wise will 879 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: be a big disappointment. I think about eight hundred and 880 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: fifty yards missing some games. Wow, we don't we are 881 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: not bullish on the Texans offense. And finally, Greg Rosenthal, 882 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: my final choice is Roddy White has been one of 883 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: my favorite wide receivers in the league since he came in. 884 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: But I don't think Roddy White now is what everyone 885 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: thinks Roddy White still is. He's more of a possession guy. 886 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: He's gotten a little worse every year. He was hurt 887 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: last year. Uh, and I think this could be a 888 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: troublesome year for Mr White. I agree. All Right, that's 889 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: it for today's edition of the Around the League Podcast. 890 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday with another show and 891 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: we'll probably get Chris Westling on the horn to talk 892 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: about a f C teams ahead of training camp, training 893 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: camp preview, get West on the Horn, get the scientists, 894 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: the mailman's input. Hopefully he'll be available in Cincinnati. We're 895 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. So until then, it's Dan hans 896 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: Is signing off for The Sizzler and the Boss and 897 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: t D until Thursday