1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: The second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Everybody, 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being with us. So we're 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 2: talking a bit about the state of the race and 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: the state of play right now within the g O 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: pain because we've just got a few days before New Hampshire. 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: I hear it's cold up there. I was walking to 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: get my coffee this morning in my flip flops and 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: my t shirts, the sun in my eyes. I hear 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: they have to bundle up in Manchester, New Hampshire and Nashua. 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: And some of the other Hey, they have to do 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: that in Nashville right now, Buck, this is a second 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: straight snow day. It's like ten degrees here, which never happens, 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: so snow snow on the ground can't go anywhere. It's 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: a mess. 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: You know. They do have beaches in New Hampshire, like 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: thirty thirty miles I think of coastline something like that. 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: So you've forgotten in the water up there in the sun. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: I was gonna say for a solid two weeks of 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: the year, New Hampshire it its granted state. If you 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: will can go to a beach in their own state. 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: But I actually really do like it up there. I 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: went to camp up there very long time, because very beautiful. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: I think Mount Washington, which is in New Hampshire, is 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: the place that has the highest wind like the highest 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: recorded wind speed. I want to say, in the definitely 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: in the US. Someone fact check me on this. Mount 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: Washington in New Hampshire, I think has the highest recorded 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: wind speed of anywhere in the United States. Fun facts 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: that I'm just throwing out. 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: How high would the wind speed be? What's your guess, dude, 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna put me on the I'm gonna sound like 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm just I mean, like hurricane 35 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: wind speed's like one hundred and fifty miles an hour. 36 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: For a time, I was gonna say two hundred mile 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: an hour winds I think have had no Remember that's 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: that's at the top of the of the mountain team 39 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: check me on this one. 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe an hour wins. It's pretty crazy. 41 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: You know. 42 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: They used to have the man what was the Old 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Man Mountain? You know what I'm talking about, the face 44 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: of the Old Man Mountain and it blew off. 45 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: So maybe you're like speed. I think like, I am 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: the old man mountain. What are you talking about? Wait? 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: What a man of the mountain. 48 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: It was like the most famous iconic rock formation in 49 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and it broke like it was the face 50 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: of an old man on the rock formation and it 51 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: fell you and I just have elite New Hampshire knowledge, 52 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: is what I'm what I'm taking away here. This is 53 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: also part of this is right, the never Ending story 54 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: when the big stone figure says, they look like such 55 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: strong hands and and he's you know, it's very sad. 56 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Do you ever see the Never Ending Story? 57 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: That horse used to watch that at daycare every day 58 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: they put on the memory. 59 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: It was the wolf was scary. If we're just being 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: honest here, that wolf was scary scary to this day. 61 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: I didn't realize, you know, they were. They were freaking 62 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: the kids out back. Then, all right, Ted Cruz back 63 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: to important matters and not just New Hampshire knowledge. I'm 64 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: waiting for the team to correct me on this one. 65 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: I think my Mount Washington trivia may be correct. But 66 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: here we go Ted crew saying that it is over 67 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: time to endorse Trump, and well, let's hear from him 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: that I'm to put something out there to this audience 69 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: play one. Trump's victory was across the board. 70 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: He won fifty one percent of the vote, he won 71 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: ninety eight of the county's. Congratulations to President Trump on 72 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 4: that dominating victory. 73 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: And at this point, I believe this race is over. 74 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: So I am proud to endorse Donald Trump for President 75 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 4: of the United States. I look forward to supporting him 76 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: enthusiastically because I think it's time for the Republican Party 77 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: to unite, for us to come together. We've got to 78 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 4: beat Joe Biden. We've got to beat this disastrous cultural 79 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 4: Marxist agenda in the White House. We've got to retake 80 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: the United States Senate. We've got to hold the House. 81 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: We got to come together and win. And with the 82 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 4: results last night, the people have spoken. It's time to 83 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: move onward to victory in November. 84 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: I just want to know if anyone anyone listening really 85 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: strongly disagrees with Senator Ted Cruz's statement, and we'll hear 86 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: you out. I want to I'm not this isn't an ambush, 87 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: because it's totally fine to have whatever opinion you want 88 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: on this. I'm just curious if you think the race 89 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: is not over I want to know why. Now, obviously 90 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: it's not over technically, but in terms of what's going 91 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: to happen, as we've said many many times, it looks 92 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: like this is where things are. The veig Ramaswami is 93 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: also calling on DeSantis and Haley to drop out. Now 94 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: this is cut to play it. I think it's very. 95 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 5: Clear who the Republican primary electorate is saying that they 96 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 5: want to be their nominee. I ran to be that person. 97 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: They sent me a very positive message. But the very 98 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: positive message they send to all of us is that 99 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 5: Donald Trump needs to be the nominee of this party. 100 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 5: And I think Santas and Nikki Haley would actually, at 101 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 5: this point do this country and this party a service 102 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 5: by stepping aside to make sure that we're focused on 103 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 5: not only nominating Donald Trump, but getting this country back 104 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 5: and reviving those founding revolutionary ideals. And I think we 105 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: do live in that seventeen seventy six moment right now. 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 5: We need to win. 107 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: You're calling on Nikki Haley and Ronda Santis to drop 108 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: out right now? 109 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 5: I am now. I do think that would be healthy 110 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 5: for this country. 111 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: All right, Clay, what's the downside right now? If Ron 112 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: DeSantis were to I'm not you know, people can say 113 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: they don't want him to drop out, that's fine, But 114 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, what if if you think he should 115 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: drop out? And I want to go back to being 116 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: the best governor in the country and supporting the Donald 117 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: Trump agenda when he's president again, and I look forward 118 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: to working closely with him. I am suspending my campaign. 119 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: What's what's stopping DeSantis strategically from doing that? Right now? 120 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: In your mind? I don't think they're okay. So Nikki Haley, 121 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense why she wouldn't drop out. As we 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: talked about in the first hour, this is where I 123 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: was thinking about this morning. This where I was thinking 124 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: about last night. The only reason why I can think 125 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: of that Ron DeSantis is staying in the race is 126 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: because he thinks that something is going to come down 127 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: the pike as it pertains to the UH remember they 128 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: would just be suspending, but as it pertains to warfare, 129 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: and and that something there is going to happen, and 130 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Trump's not going to be on the ballot, and he 131 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: doesn't want his name to somehow come off of the 132 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: primary ballots as a viable contender. I can't think of 133 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: any other reason, because, again, the poll that came out 134 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: this morning, which is again I think this is important 135 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: everybody out there listening. The polls have been accurate so far, 136 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: so I understand there's conspiracy theories. 137 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: Oh the Poles aren't real. 138 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: That the Iowa caucus polls were almost one hundred percent accurate. 139 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: The most recent poll that came out of New Hampshire 140 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: shows Ron DeSantis at five points, shows Donald Trump at fifty, 141 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: Nicky Hayley at thirty four, DeSantis at five. We are 142 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: what are we sitting at six days from the actual 143 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: New Hampshire primary. If Ron DeSantis in New Hampshire posts 144 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: a single digit number, which seems somewhat likely, I don't 145 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: understand how that is in any way helping him compared 146 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: to after Iowa, saying, look I came in second, but 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: I was a distant second. 148 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: Trump is going to be the nominee. It's time to 149 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: move forward. 150 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: The only thing I can think, and I'm open to 151 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: what argument you could come up with if you were 152 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Desantiss team right now, the only thing I can think 153 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: is that they are contemplating something happening in the courts 154 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: that is going to make this a viable race, because 155 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: if he couldn't win after spending one hundred million dollars 156 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: in Iowa, what's going to change in every other state? 157 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't see. I think we both agree that there's 158 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: no way they're going to get a conviction before this 159 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: primary is over. Correct. I don't even think they're going 160 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: to start the trials before. So legally, if Trump is 161 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: going to be and the the take him off the 162 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: ballot initiatives aren't going to work, Supreme Court's not going 163 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: to allow that because then we actually don't have elections 164 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: and we don't have a country, and we might as 165 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: well start thinking about where we're gonna move. Like if you, 166 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: if you can have a judge, you will laterally take 167 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: a former president off the ballot. Our whole system is 168 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: a joke. I'm not going to defend it, but that's 169 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: not gonna happen. Okay, I'm assured it's absurd and abhorrent 170 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: that it has already been sort of attempted, but it's 171 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: not gonna happen. It's not gonna work because it really 172 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: is a at that point, all bets are off situation. 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: So assuming my analysis on that is correct, Trump will 174 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: be on on the ballot and a viable candidate in 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: all these places. And then really, look, I'll say it. 176 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: I mean the Andy McCarthy piece and National Review, and 177 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: I you know, Andy's a very smart guy. We've had 178 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: him on the show a lot. I like Andy. I've 179 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: known him for gosh, twelve or thirteen years now. And 180 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: he's saying, it's really clay all about what I've been 181 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: bringing up here all along, which is they're just they 182 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: haven't turned on the engines of Trump. Is Hitler. Look 183 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: at all the charges he lost to E. G. And 184 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: Carroll for a second stual assault, you know, fifty forty 185 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: years ago or whatever it was. I mean, they haven't 186 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: turned on that machinery yet. And the trials play into 187 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: that not so much. They're going to lock him in 188 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: a prison cell and we can't vote for him, and 189 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: he's going to be do you see what I mean? Yeah, 190 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: I guess that he's making. I get that argument from Andy, 191 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: and it's it's not. Look, I don't think anybody who 192 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: was looking at this rationally can argue anything other than 193 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: Democrats want to run against Donald Trump. They do. 194 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, if he could select his opponent, what trial 195 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: by combat Game of Throne style, he would pick Donald Trump. 196 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: Now they also did that in twenty sixteen. Yes, they 197 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: want Trump's a big question. 198 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: I think it's. 199 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: The next nine months. We're going to ten months. We're 200 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: going to try to figure out were they or were 201 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: they not right? That's the that's the question. 202 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: I would also just take a moment here, a breather. 203 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: You know how I said, you know you don't have 204 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: a Tennessee accent. You know there is one word in 205 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: which you go full Tennessee on me, buddy, you know 206 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: which one is that get? You're like, I get it, 207 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: I get it. Anyone else ever noticed this Clay gets 208 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: fired up? The word G E. T. Clay sounds very 209 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: Tennessee on that word. That's the only time he's like, 210 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 2: I get interesting. Yeah, have you ever noticed that? 211 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: No, I can't hear my own accent, So I don't 212 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: know what wrong everybody, because he just did it a 213 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: second ago, and I've noticed it before. I get I No, 214 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: that was that was Vanderbilt Law school Clay. When you 215 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: get fired up, you go I get it. You kind 216 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: of get a little a little Southern on me. That's 217 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: the only time I've ever heard it. 218 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: Before. Occasionally people write to me and say that I 219 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: say a few a few words like a New Yorker. 220 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: So let's see if we ever picked those out. You 221 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: stand online? What's up? You stand online? New Yorkers? 222 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: They all instead of standing in line, New Yorkers all online. 223 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, on the line. 224 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: You go online to get on the internet, you stand 225 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: in line for like everywhere else in the country. 226 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: That's when I noticed New Yorkers. You don't know. Look 227 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: at sec man here throwing the Northeast under the bus. 228 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: You know he's I'm telling you, he's not letting it 229 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: go unanswered. Everybody I was. I was blown away. When 230 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: I was in college. 231 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't understand it because everybody gets online to go 232 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: on the internet, and everybody in the all that I 233 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: went to school with a lot of New Yorkers. They 234 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: were always like, Oh, we've got to go get online 235 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: for this, We've got to go get on And I 236 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: was like, what, we got to get our computers, like, 237 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, everybody in New York, just New 238 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: York pretty much stands online. 239 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. We also you guys also say pop, 240 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: don't you instead of soda? 241 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: No no, no, pop is pop I think is the Midwest, 242 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: we say coke, although I think it's becoming less significant. 243 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: Every soda is a coke, like we don't say soda 244 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: in the South. Everything's a coke, like, well, I'll take 245 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: a coke? What kind of coke? Like sprite? 246 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: I've slipped in the occasional y'all too. I feel like 247 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: I talked to Clay enough that I have y'all permission, 248 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: which we've discussed before. Y'all have permission to call in 249 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: and tell us. Are we missing something here about where 250 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: this primary is and what's going on? Are we missing 251 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: something that you want to bring to our attention because 252 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: right now here, let me give you one, Clay. This 253 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: will be a tease. Is Nicky Haley going to win 254 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: New Hampshire? Yes? 255 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 5: Or no? 256 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: And why when we come back we want to do 257 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: that one? Yeah sounds good, Let's do it. 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I appreciate all of you blowing out 287 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: the world with our New Hampshire genius. Here Old Man 288 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: in the Mountain also called the Great Stone Face and 289 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,479 Speaker 1: the profile five Granite cliff ledges on Cannon Mountain in Franconia, 290 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. It fell, right, that's the part that I said, right, Yeah, 291 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: the Old Man of the Mountain Alley deep deeper research here. Yes, 292 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: that's what it used to be. But a part of 293 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: it fell and it's no longer the Old Man of 294 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: the Mountain. I think I'm correct. Buck was correct in 295 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: his knowledge of how hard the wind had blown in 296 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I would not have anticipated that that was 297 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: that way. I did not know this, that it blew 298 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: at like, well, what's the math. I had it in 299 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: front of me here a second ago, over two hundred 300 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: miles an hour, like the hardest in the Western Hemisphere, 301 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: still right in. 302 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: The world at one point, Yeah, the world record. I 303 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: was going to say that, but I didn't want to 304 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: seem foolige because I'm like, wait, it must go faster 305 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: somewhere else, But no. Mount Washington, New Hampshire, had a 306 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: surface wind speed measured in nineteen thirty four of two 307 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one miles an hour. Fortunately they lost 308 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: this record in two thousand and nine and there was 309 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: a tropical cyclone with winds of two hundred and fifty 310 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: four miles an hour off some island but Australia. Okay, 311 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: so here's my question. 312 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: Do you trust the data from nineteen thirty four or 313 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: do you think it's suspect because it's almost one hundred 314 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: years old. 315 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: I cannot even begin to pretend to know how they 316 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: would measure wind speed in nineteen thirty four. I don't 317 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: you know. I still get confused between fahrenheit and celsius. 318 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: My friend, this is not my area. I'm gonna say 319 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: it's suspect. All right, you asked the question. We're going 320 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: to dive into this when we come back in the 321 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: next segment. Does NICKI Haley have a chance to win 322 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 2: New Hampshire. I'll give you a little bit of a 323 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: preview here of my thinking. It entirely depends on how 324 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: many Democrats decide to vote in the New Hampshire primary 325 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: because they are aggressively remember by and I do think 326 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: this has been under discussed. Biden made the decision to 327 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: basically wipe out the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire 328 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: primary because those voters have overwhelmingly rejected Joe Biden every 329 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: time they've gotten to spend any time with him. And 330 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: as a result, there's not a real primary going on 331 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: in New Hampshire. What's our buddy, Dean Phillips or whatever 332 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: the guy's name is, who's actually running the Minnesota congressman. 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: He may get some support. They're asking people to write 334 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: in Biden, but effectively Democrats have punted on that primary, 335 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: and now the pitch has turned to hey, go support 336 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: Nicki Haley, vote against Donald Trump. I think the only 337 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: way Nicki Haley wins is if Democrats come out in 338 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: substantial numbers, because you don't have primary registration, because anybody 339 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: can show up and vote and make the decision to 340 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: vote for Nicki Haley. Otherwise, I don't think she has 341 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: any chance. Do you think she wins? Given the Shenanigans? 342 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: You still think you think Trump comes out number one? 343 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: I still think Trump is gonna win. Now, now does 344 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: she does she then before she gets beat in her 345 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: home stay to South Carolina? Or does she try to 346 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: win in South Carolina? No, she's got two weeks. The 347 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: media just prepare for this, wants there to be a 348 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: story because they need there to be a story because 349 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: there is no Democrat race, and so they will try 350 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: to turn South Carolina into a massive referendum. Even if 351 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: Nicky Haley loses by ten or fifteen points, She's going 352 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: to argue that she is now the directed opponent to Trump. 353 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll ask you is we go to break. 354 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: Is there any conversation going on between Nicky Haley and 355 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: Ronda Santis? 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Do we get into Chevron difference? 381 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: That is nerdy, even for law people nerdy, but it 382 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: is an important case. 383 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: I think can we do a short version of Chevron deference? 384 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: Because I think it because it was heard today oral 385 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: arguments the Supreme Court, and we had mentioned it at 386 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: the top, and I want to get into a little 387 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 2: bit of additional a little bit deeper into some of 388 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: the substance, because you know, look the elections it's happening Tuesday. 389 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: We'll see we've made some predictions. But here, here we go. 390 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: I'll lay this out as best I can for everybody. 391 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: So there's the I'm just realizing this is a big 392 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: this is a big ask. Actually, this is not easy 393 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: to describe. 394 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: When you said, when you said off air, hey, the 395 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: Chevron case, I was like, man, that's even even for 396 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: legal people. This is a nerdy thing to explain. It's significant, 397 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: but super nerdy. 398 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: So so I'll give a layman's interpretation of what's going 399 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: on in the Supreme Court's hearing a case. And it 400 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: has to do with the way that the federal bureaucracy 401 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: is able to get deference when it comes to the 402 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: interpretation of congressional statue. In essence, if there's some broad authority, 403 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 2: let's say that like the EPA has on wetlands, and 404 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: you go, okay, I like wetlands to be protected. I 405 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: don't want all the marshes and the swamps to disappear 406 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: because I like alligators and flamingos or whatever. Obviously Florida 407 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: centric down here, but you get what I'm saying. 408 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: Well, what if they decide that actually a wetland is 409 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: a body of water that's in your backyard, and therefore 410 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: you actually no longer own your own land, and if 411 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: you try to drain it, you're gonna get fined thousands 412 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: of dollars a day. 413 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, you won't find that in any congressionally passed law. 414 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: You will find that in the EPA deciding it's in 415 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 2: its own way. And this is just an example. So 416 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: if you know, for some reason there is some EPA, 417 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: we'll lets them do this, but you know, you can 418 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: see how they will extend their mandate far beyond what 419 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: is actually written down. Now, this kind of makes some 420 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: sense in the context of if you have, say, a 421 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: federal agency that's dealing with minor stuff that's you know, 422 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: almost like a more of a clerical issue. All right, 423 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: it shouldn't have to get handled by the courts because 424 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: there's so many agencies. Maybe that's the problem, and so 425 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: many different laws already that it's meant to streamline things. 426 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: And so the Supreme Court had essentially decided that there 427 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: should be deference given, deference given to the federal interpreter, 428 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: federal agency interpretation of statute. The the case that's before them, 429 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: that was heard today. The oral arguments have to do 430 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: with a fisherman who had to pay. This is for 431 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: the national like fisheries. I can't even remember. By the 432 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: way I used to live in the world of acronyms, 433 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: there are four hundred and thirty federal agencies and other 434 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: regulatory agencies, which is think about that versus do you 435 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 2: think about that? 436 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: I just am laughing because I'm trying to picture people 437 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: understanding the way that regulatory agency power exists and how 438 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is going to make decisions about that, 439 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: and how difficult it is to explain why this is 440 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: so important in a way that grips immediately everybody's attention, 441 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: because this is so nuanced and complicated that it's hard 442 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: to distill it into a sentence or two. 443 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 2: But this is the possibility that we have for the 444 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: administrative state to be gutted, So it's so plan I 445 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: agree on this point. It's very possibly important here, depending 446 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 2: on how it goes. It's a it's a momentous case, 447 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: but it gets way down into the functioning of the bureauocracy. 448 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: And you know this is this is where the oh, 449 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: the fishermen. Sorry, I was looking for this, the magnuson 450 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: the Magnuson Steven's Fishery Conservation and Management Act. Okay, yeah, 451 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: now this is getting real the MSA, We're getting real 452 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: deep into it. This has passed back in nineteen seventy 453 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: six to stop overfishing. Okay, But what it's meant is 454 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: that now the MSA is able to just come up 455 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 2: with all these rules. And the rule that brought this 456 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: case specifically was fish monitors of these guys, make sure 457 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: that you're doing all this stuff you're supposed to do 458 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: in the fish of the appropriate size of thing else 459 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: and the boats have to pay for them clay. So 460 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: that's the part. So they're saying, hold on, a second, 461 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: Congress never passed a law that I have to pay 462 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: for a fishery management agent to be on my boat 463 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: making sure I don't break actual laws or regulations. This 464 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: is the Supreme Court case. And so what the Supreme 465 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: Court has to look at is is this even fair? 466 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: So there's a due process component to it. Is it 467 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: a usurpation of judicial authority because the judiciary should be 468 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: making these determinations, not a federal agency when it comes 469 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: to statute. And there are a couple of other things 470 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: we can get into, but anyways, I think that basically 471 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 2: gets to it. 472 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I would sum it up is, if 473 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: you believe the United States government has become overloaded with bureaucracy, 474 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: I think you're correct. 475 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: Right. 476 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: One of the things that Vivek said that I would 477 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: agree with, and we saw Elon Musk do it with 478 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: X slash Twitter, is I really think I think Elon said, sorry, 479 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Vivig said he would fire seventy five percent of all 480 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: federal employees. That sometimes said, but I think that could 481 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: occur and we wouldn't lose any actual efficiency because our 482 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 1: tax dollars go to pay a lot of people who 483 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: don't do anything right. But what happens is here, I'm 484 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: trying to think how to explain it easily. Congress decides 485 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: that they are going to implement a law, and then 486 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: they put a regulatory agency basically in charge of implementing 487 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: that law. And the question that is being examined is 488 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: how much deference has to be given. And I'm speaking 489 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: generally not about this case, in particular, how much deference 490 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: has to be given to the administrative state to be 491 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: able to manage the delegation of authority that Congress gave 492 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: to an agency. Now that might sound complicated, because it 493 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: is really kind of nuanced, but effectively, the way to 494 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: think about it, buck is if you're upset about what 495 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: one of these agencies is doing, they are saying they 496 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: derive their authority from Congress. What the courts are trying 497 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: to examine is how much deference do these agencies deserve 498 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: relative to where their power designation comes from. And how 499 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: challenging is it if you're a citizen out there who 500 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: feels like there is no way to address the power 501 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: hungry administrative state that is deciding effectively to make law 502 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: without the authority to do so and potentially without effective 503 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: judicial review. Now that may be complicated, but that's the 504 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: essence of what is at stake here, and really what 505 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: the courts are examining is how much control should we 506 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: have over decisions that are being made by the administrative state. 507 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: It's a separation of powers examination. And if you are 508 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: listening right now and you're like, man, that sounds really interesting, 509 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: you should go to law school, because this is the 510 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing that you spend a lot of time 511 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: sitting around debating as it pertains to separation of powers 512 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: in our current government, right, and so the big issue 513 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: is that our government's become far too large and gets 514 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: involved in regulating far too many things. I mean, I 515 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: think that's what most people out there would agree with. 516 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. But also you have unaccountable agencies that 517 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: are making things that are unelected law, that are not 518 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: held accountable. 519 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: And so if you don't like the EPA's interpretation, and 520 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: this all rests on the whole Chevron deference principle rests 521 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 2: on a reasonable interpretation of statute, well, guess what the 522 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: federal agencies, which are overloaded with left wing authoritarian democrats, 523 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: have done. They've taken entirely unreasonable interpretations of statutes. The 524 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: Supreme Court actually had to strike down the EPA's ability 525 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: to monitor CO two emissions, right, I mean, these are 526 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: the kinds of things now. If the EPA can monitor 527 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: CO two emissions, the EPA is effectively, you know, god 528 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: king of our economy. Like it can run everything. There's 529 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: nothing that is beyond its it's remitted and so you know, 530 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: that's that's where you start to see and people that 531 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: have dealt with any federal agency and any of these 532 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: regulations understand that, you know, there's this tremendous frustration because 533 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: you're being held legally responsible to obey things that are 534 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: really just the whim of bureaucrats working in an agency 535 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: that are only created via congressional action in the first place. 536 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: And if Congress has not spoken on something, you should 537 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: not be held to account civilly and criminally in some cases, 538 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: I might add, I mean this is part of the 539 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: big overcriminalization of federal law. So okay, we did it. 540 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: We went there the Chevron Chevron deference. If this is overturned, 541 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: it's a huge deal within the federal government, and it 542 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: will mean that you will have a i think, a 543 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: restoration of both legislative and judicial prerogative and constitutional separation 544 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: and accountability. And that's a good thing. It's a nerdy 545 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: case with enormously beneficial implications. If they overturn this, they're 546 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: gonna argue starry decisis. You know, it's already been decided. 547 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: But you know, you can always argue story decisive in 548 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: these kinds of things. That doesn't that doesn't hold water. 549 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: This I think has the potential to be the most 550 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: consequential year of Supreme Court rules, maybe in related to 551 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: the election cases that are going to be playing out 552 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: as well. In fact, when we come back, Buck, I'm 553 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: gonna set the table because the third hour, Joe Manchet 554 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: is starting to flirt with the idea of running. Now 555 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: that it appears that Trump and Biden are both going 556 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: to be at least locked in for the spring as 557 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: the presumptive candidates of the Democrat and Republican Party. How 558 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: many third parties are there going to be and how 559 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: much of that is going to implicate who ends up 560 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: winning this election. I'm not hearing a lot of discussion 561 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: about the third party angle. We've talked about the motivations 562 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: of Aroon, DeSantis, Nikki Haley, how that's going to play 563 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: out in New Hampshire as we sit six days out. 564 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: But I actually think one of the most important aspects 565 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: of this race is also going to be decided in 566 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: the near future, and it is this how many of 567 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: these third party candidates are going to dive in and 568 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: what is that going to do to the overall vote 569 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: totals in general. We'll discuss that next you can also 570 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: weigh in as always eight hundred and two two two 571 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: eight a two and Senator Tommy Tubverll is going to 572 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: join us in the third hour, so that is going 573 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: to be the only. 574 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: Guest for today. 575 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: And I want to tell you as we roll in 576 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: coming towards the end of the second hour of the program, 577 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: we've got really good work that's being done by Hillsdale College. 578 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: They are helping to hook up so many people out 579 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: there who want actual, reliable education for their kids. And 580 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: the work that these guys are doing at Hillsdale over 581 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: and above the university itself, is pretty incredible. Right now, 582 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: they have got Americans between the ages of eighteen to 583 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: thirty are likely to reject patriotism compared to people who 584 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: are older. How did that happen? Why are they making 585 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: this choice? Hillsdale's examining it. And look that Hillsdale's just 586 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: one college, but they've got a voice. They invest in 587 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: a curriculum for charter schools nationwide, and they are offer 588 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: aspects of their on campus teaching and online courses. In fact, 589 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: this week you're likely to hear their Constitution minutes on 590 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: our program. If you'll love history and you're trying to 591 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: get your kids into it. Constitution minutes, bite sized gems 592 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: that'll get them hooked. We're proud to have Hillsdale on 593 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: board with us again this year, particularly with their Constitution minutes. 594 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: If you miss the minutes, you can hear them on 595 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: our website or we will be posting them for you. 596 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Clayanbuckfour Hillsdale dot com. That's Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com. 597 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: One more time, clayanbuckfour Hillsdale dot com. 598 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: Check it out today once more, Clay and Buck. That 599 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: you did in here on the show. 600 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Get podcast extras in the Clay and Buck podcast feed, 601 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: find it. 602 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: On the iheartapp or wherever you get your podcasts. 603 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: So welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We'll 604 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: dive into some third party analysis here at the top 605 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: of the next hour. 606 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: Where might that be headed? 607 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: But Buck, I know you're not a diehard football fan, 608 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: but I thought that you would appreciate. So things are 609 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: going pretty fabulously well for all of our listeners. In Michigan, 610 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: University of Michigan wins the national championship in football. The 611 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are hosting their second straight home playoff football 612 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: game they play at Ford Field, named after the Ford 613 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: family which owns the Detroit Lions, and they have played 614 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: in a dome for nearly fifty years in Detroit. Some 615 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: of you out there saw how cold it was in 616 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City. You saw how cold it was in Buffalo. 617 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Like I said, it was zero degrees here. Super cold 618 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: in Detroit in the winner, no great surprise there. They 619 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: have been playing Pontiac Silverdome. Buck, you're an old school 620 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: wrestling fan. You remember WrestleMania three when Hulk Cogan picked 621 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: up Andre the Giant body slammed him. That took place 622 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: in the Pontiac Silver Dome just north of town in 623 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: Oakland County. 624 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: I believe there in the Detroit area. I thought that 625 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: was the most amazing moment in wrestling history when I 626 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: was a kid like that actual moment to me was 627 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: the most amazing iconic moment when Hulk Colgan lifted up 628 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: on Or the Giant. You know, my wife Laura was 629 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: in the crowd in the upper deck of the Pontiac 630 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: Silver Dome as like a three or a four year 631 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: old for WrestleMania three, which is one of her main albums. 632 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but that's amazing. She's a huge wrestling 633 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: fan too. But there was a question. So we got 634 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners in Tampa Bay. Congratulations of the Bucks. 635 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: They beat the Eagles and now they're traveling on the 636 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: road in Detroit. But there are a lot of dumb 637 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: people in the media. Sports media may have dumber people 638 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: than regular media. This is one of the all time 639 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: dumbest questions that's ever been asked in a press conference. 640 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: They have played again as a prelude indoors in Detroit 641 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: for fifty years, but this reporter, she's worried about the weather. 642 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: Listen towards Detroit. 643 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 6: The weather's benefactor, and some of them playoff games for 644 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 6: the most prepared teams is thirteen in Detroit, which doesn't 645 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 6: compare to some of those temperaures, to any special plans 646 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 6: to accimate the team to not only endure, but perform 647 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 6: in those comforted temperatures that you face them in Detroit. 648 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: You do know we play indoors right the other dome. 649 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 4: I don't. 650 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: No nothing playing or indoors. 651 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 6: And we only have to be outside for twenty seconds 652 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 6: getting off the bus, going under the thing, So we'll 653 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 6: be okay. 654 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: Buck oh Man fifty years of indoor field in Detroit. 655 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: This reporter, this woman looked up the weather in Detroit, 656 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: somehow has missed that the Lions have played in the 657 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Dome for fifty years. However, dumb you think reporters are, 658 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: They're probably dumber than you expect. This is one of 659 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: the dumbest questions I've ever heard. I can't even imagine. 660 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: I mean, to do the research to know what the 661 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: temperature is in Detroit and not know that they play 662 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: indoors and have again, if it were a brand new stadium, 663 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 1: this was the first year or something fifty years they've 664 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: been playing indoors. 665 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: I can't cast any stones here because I would have 666 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: asked the same question about the weather. I have no 667 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: idea what's indoor and outdoor in terms of stadium. So 668 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 2: but then again, I'm not annoying to you. 669 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: Probably also done your research in Tampa. I mean, like 670 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: it takes four minutes of research to pull up and 671 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, or just watch the game the 672 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 1: week before and recognize that's my job. 673 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: I think I would have been able to avoid that 674 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 2: that landmine. I think that is fair to say. So, Yes, 675 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 2: in no doubt, I loved that when we come back, 676 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: all right? Third party. 677 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: By the way, however dumb you might feel, sometimes you 678 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: probably have never asked a question that dumb in your 679 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: professional career. Good answer. By the way, Todd Bowles handled 680 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: that about as well as you could. We'd be outside 681 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: for twenty seconds walking into the stadium. I think we'll 682 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: be okay. 683 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 2: We come back. Third party. 684 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: Joe Manchin making an argument that he might run as 685 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: a third party. Liz Cheney, Chris Christy, are there people 686 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: out there that just want to spoil the race for 687 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: either Trump or Biden? And how might they impact the 688 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: race going forward? We'll break all that down for you, 689 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: plus Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama joining us at two 690 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: point thirty Eastern in the final hour. 691 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 2: That's all coming up next