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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: As you do your investigations, I'm sure you run into,

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Speaker 2: let's say, perhaps misconceptions. And I'm sure there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of times people have misconceptions about what you do. Maybe

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Speaker 2: they call you asking for perhaps your help. So what

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Speaker 2: are some of the biggest misconceptions people have about ghost,

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Speaker 2: hauntings and paranormal investigations.

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Speaker 3: Well, first, they believe any noise they have is a demon.

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Speaker 3: That's the main thing we get. We get so many

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Speaker 3: calls and it's always I have a demon in the house.

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Speaker 3: Because of how TV kind of portrays everything. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot out there. I tell people seventy to eighty percent

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Speaker 3: of our cases are not paranormal. Their mental illness, addiction, fear, grief, trauma,

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Speaker 3: There's so many different things out there that can cause

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Speaker 3: things to react, just like paranormal activity. So it's important

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Speaker 3: to know things outside of the paranormal in order to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting to think. When you try to take

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Speaker 2: a call or an email and people are reaching out

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Speaker 2: to you for help, you have to make sure they're

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Speaker 2: getting the help that they need. So how can you

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Speaker 2: tell the difference between something that maybe perhaps in their

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Speaker 2: can be observed and investigated.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we first initially talk to them, first of all,

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Speaker 3: I have a form on my website that is very long,

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Speaker 3: makes them fill out a lot a lot of information.

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Speaker 3: It also helps weed out people who are you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to not fake it, but you know, maybe over exaggerate.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to fill out the whole form. But

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Speaker 3: then when they get on with a and we do

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Speaker 3: an initial intake with them, we actually spend anywhere from

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Speaker 3: one to three hours talking to them so that we

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Speaker 3: can get everything that they've experienced. We want to hear

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Speaker 3: who experienced it in the house. It's very important to

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Speaker 3: us to know if it's one person or if it's

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Speaker 3: multiple people in the house. I do have some of

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Speaker 3: our psychics will be on with us to see if

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Speaker 3: they can sense, you know, whatever they can sense through

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Speaker 3: the home, and we just really go by a lot

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Speaker 3: of initial questions. If if we do feel that it

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Speaker 3: could be something else, we will actually request the psychiatric

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Speaker 3: evaluation and medical evaluation in order to continue their case

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Speaker 3: because we don't want to harm them, and you can

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Speaker 3: harm them if it is not something paranormal and you

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Speaker 3: don't know if they have an illness.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably not the answer they want. They probably

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Speaker 2: mess it you and they say, Okay, I know what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about here, so you just need to do

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Speaker 2: your job to help me. But you're trying to find

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Speaker 2: other ways. I don't know what the follow through would

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Speaker 2: be if after you recommend something, is a pretty much

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Speaker 2: the end between your communication. Do you like set them

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: We actually we will stay with these people as long

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Speaker 3: them no matter what it is that's affecting them. We

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Speaker 3: can't give them medical direct medical advice, although I do

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Speaker 3: have a license psychologist.

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Speaker 4: On my team.

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Speaker 3: We help guide them in where we think they need

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Speaker 3: to go. I always I always joke a little bit

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Speaker 3: spirits or the demons. It's trying to convince somebody that

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Speaker 3: they're not haunted because okay, they have it in their head.

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Speaker 2: Well, was it always like that with you? Let's say

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Speaker 2: we go back to the early years and you are

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Speaker 2: the early years, did you just take them by their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very different back when I started. First

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was much much harder, and it was a lot

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Speaker 3: harder back then to get people to trust you to

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Speaker 4: Lot of them, even now, a lot of them think.

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Speaker 3: But back then it was it was much different because

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Speaker 3: us as as investigators, we're very hard back then people

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm guessing post Ghostbusters coming out, because you have

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Speaker 2: the impression during the eighties that you call a phone number,

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Speaker 2: the sirens blazing and you look for ectoplasm, and then

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Speaker 2: of you know, the idea that you know, of course,

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Speaker 2: we're going to believe you if you give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Times have you know, changed since I guess the movies

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Speaker 2: wrote your book Living Life Haunted and you document a

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Speaker 2: lot of this. What are some of these cases? Maybe

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Speaker 2: we can go through some of the cases where you

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Speaker 2: went through maybe your questionnaire or maybe this is pre questionnaire,

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Speaker 2: but you actually went to the location and you were

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Speaker 2: there was really something else going on. What are some examples.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's hard to go immediate, but it does take

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Speaker 4: Like I said, we'll sit with them, we'll talk with them.

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Speaker 3: We'll also get them another time after the initial interview

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Speaker 3: in their stories. Because you know, sometimes people when they're

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Speaker 3: it's not always the same exact thing that they experience.

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Speaker 3: But I've gone into cases where back then, like I said,

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Speaker 5: And I know you're gonna want some them after hearing this.

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Speaker 5: This is an amazing story. We've got Steven and Malachi

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Speaker 5: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who

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Speaker 5: is eight almost nine years old now, or suffering with

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Speaker 5: not just one or two warts, but I mean a

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Speaker 5: significant outbreak of warts all over his body, so significant

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Speaker 5: it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil

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Speaker 6: to right. It was Tye's book actually that got me

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Speaker 6: thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 5: did you see that there was actually improvement it's really

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Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 6: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 6: and then going down to with just little red monks.

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Speaker 6: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 6: you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,

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Speaker 6: no way, that's gonna wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 6: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 6: It's great to see him so happy.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it that is blown away.

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Speaker 4: TI, this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because we've talked to different people on the show,

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Speaker 2: and there's people that can claim they'll walk into a

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Speaker 2: some sort of sixth sense. So it sounds like your

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Speaker 2: methods are a lot different. Your methods are we need

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Speaker 2: what's paranormal. It sounds like your methods are a little

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Speaker 3: We we definitely use a mix. We like to be

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Speaker 3: And we don't want to just walk in and be like, well,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's talk about some of the calls you've

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Speaker 2: received and some of the things you've experienced as you're investigating.

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Speaker 2: Let's look through and I mean you've handled what over

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Speaker 2: a thousand residential investigations. Yeah, and I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 2: some things that really have surprised you. Can you talk

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Speaker 2: about some of those specific stories that have really you're like, wow,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you my first residential case, I think

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Speaker 3: it's kind of what I say, is my calling. Why

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Speaker 3: it took me many, many years. I was very young

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Speaker 3: And I was having my own experiences when I was young,

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Speaker 4: To the floor. We flipped the lights on and.

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Speaker 3: this is what a ghost does. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: I'm possibly doing here, you know, because this was something

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Speaker 3: I always joke and I say, if this happened nowadays,

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Speaker 3: And if it was nowadays, you have YouTube, you have TikTok,

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Speaker 3: Back then, it was different. There was no publicity they

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Speaker 3: were looking for for this. We immediately left the house.

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Speaker 3: We told the owner that she needs she should really

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Speaker 3: figure out what's the next step. And the team they

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Speaker 3: had been doing this for about a year or two.

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Speaker 3: They have never experienced anything like this, so they called

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately I was not there.

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Speaker 3: When they went back because their other teammate was already

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Speaker 3: you know, healthy again, and they went back in and

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Speaker 3: they did a minor right of exorcism in the house

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Speaker 3: because the priest did believe that there was a demonic

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Speaker 3: infestation in the house, and they cleared up the house. Now,

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Speaker 3: this team never ever did this again. They all quit

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Speaker 3: they experience. Yeah, yeah, they were the same thing.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's it's funny.

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Speaker 3: And this is why I say, to me, it was

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Speaker 4: It.

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Speaker 3: It actually left me with so many more questions than

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Speaker 3: I had before because I didn't understand, like why did

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Speaker 3: it attack this guy? Why didn't attack me? Because I

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Speaker 3: didn't know anything about protection back then. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: Doing at all. You know, why was it there?

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Speaker 1: It had?

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Speaker 4: It brought me so many.

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Speaker 3: Questions that it's what led me down the initial rabbit

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Speaker 3: hole with all this.

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Speaker 2: Did you consider quitting at that point too?

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Speaker 4: Much? Like members of your team, you looked at that.

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Speaker 2: And said, I don't want any part of this.

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Speaker 3: No, I was on my own. I was I was

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Speaker 3: still learning, and it drew me in. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why it drew me in. And I'll be honest, demonic

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Speaker 3: stuff is extremely, extremely rare, and the fact that it

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Speaker 3: case like that, I believe it was a calling I

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Speaker 3: do because well, let's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what you mentioned that you do you kind of

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Speaker 2: screened through your website, which, by the way, people wanted

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Speaker 2: to look up online Bill Slevin dot com. That's where

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Speaker 2: they can go. Yes, yeah, so you have to kind

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Speaker 2: of figure out, Okay, we need to make sure we

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Speaker 2: know what we're dealing with here. So when you called

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Speaker 2: a priest, did they also kind of like feel you

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Speaker 2: out as an Okay, we get these calls all the time.

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Speaker 2: It seems like the priest in you calling the priest

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Speaker 2: in a situation like this as much like how people

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Speaker 2: call you, they're trying to feel you out, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they get calls like this all the time.

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Speaker 4: They are false alarms.

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Speaker 3: Right now. It was this team. I wasn't on their team.

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Speaker 3: They just brought me in as an extra guy. But

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Speaker 3: this team had a priest that they knew real well,

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Speaker 3: so they called him right in. I guess he went

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I didn't know anything about this at

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Speaker 3: that time. He assessed it and he agreed with everybody,

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Speaker 3: hadn't gone further to like a possession on the lady

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