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Speaker 1: What does success look like for the conference, and why

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Speaker 1: won who lost? I'm George Rice Stir with Ralph Amerson,

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Speaker 1: and this is the PAC twelve apostles Ralph man The

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve started out the Bowl season right, Washington got

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Speaker 1: the w and I posted on Twitter that fans of

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Speaker 1: whoever you are a fan of that you should root

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Speaker 1: it makes the entire conference look good because you're playing

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Speaker 1: non conference games and people always say, oh to Pac

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Speaker 1: twel can't win non conference games. All of this, but

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Speaker 1: It's awful, it's stupid, And I'm like, do you see

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Speaker 1: what the SEC does? They even if their rival wins,

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Speaker 1: they pumped themselves up, They put themselves on a pedestal.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get one thing straight and out in the

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Speaker 1: open right away. A win in any bowl game from

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Speaker 1: one of your conference mates means more money for you. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Your school gets paid more money if people from your

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Speaker 1: It's not like that goes directly into their pocket. But

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Speaker 1: to Boise State. What are they gonna have bragging rights?

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Speaker 1: They went seven and five? Who cares root for them?

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Speaker 1: Because it lines your pockets? Period. This whole thing doesn't

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Speaker 1: prayer of the Selfish Child from the shell Silverstein poem

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Speaker 1: pray the Lord, my toys will break so none of

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I don't get is that people

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Speaker 1: lose to Boys the States, some of the other conference

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Speaker 1: mats all lose their bowl games. Then you want to

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Speaker 1: the teams in bowl games. Like no, just root for

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Speaker 1: with that extra money. I absolutely and I get. I

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Speaker 1: your own school's best interest, which is have more money.

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Speaker 1: probably would have been more willing to go other places. Yeah,

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00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I I've sort of lived my whole

431
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: life in the footprint that I grew up in them

432
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: from Wyoming. I came up in Arizona, and anytime I'm

433
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna go on vacation, I go back into the mountains

434
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: of the of the Northwest and the Mountain West, like

435
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: I just I know, I know, And I remember the

436
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: first time that my wife took me back home to

437
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh with her, I was petrified, you know, And it

438
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: ended up being a fascinating, awesome experience. But like I

439
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: knew nothing. There were people everywhere. They walk different, they

440
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: talked different. You know. I grew up in Arizona, where

441
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: the oldest building out here is like a twenty year

442
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: old Walgreens. They had buildings out in Pittsburgh but said

443
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: like fifteen sixty five on the side, you know, built

444
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: by Stonemason's in the sixteenth century. And I was just

445
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: out of my element completely. And I love that, and

446
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: I love having new experiences with my family and everything.

447
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: But I know what I know, and I'm comfortable there.

448
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: And most people like to be comfortable. They don't if

449
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be uncomfortable, it takes sort of a

450
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: concerted effort. And so if you go out on a visit,

451
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: if you're a recruit and it's to a place that

452
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: sort of makes you feel challenged and uncomfortable right from

453
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: the get go, you've got to be of a different

454
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: makeup and a different mindset, or you have to have

455
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: been on that track for a while. And I think

456
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: that that's the biggest difference between like a football player

457
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: and a basketball player. Basketball players are trained from the

458
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: very very very early age that, like, you are never

459
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: going to be comfortable You're a six ft seven person

460
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: in a world built for five ft eight people. You're

461
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be comfortable on a plane. You're not gonna

462
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: be comfortable in a car. The environment shouldn't matter to

463
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: you because you're gonna be in a gym somewhere. You know,

464
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the weather is like. Your teammates

465
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: are only going to be your teammates for a maximum

466
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: of two or three years. You have to form an

467
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: identity in yourself. It's going to be kind of lonely,

468
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: but you can do this job anywhere, and club teams

469
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: travel and and everybody is sort of um. Everybody is

470
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: sort of raised up that way from a really early

471
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: age football players. It's, hey, let's establish our culture right

472
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: here with people who are similar to you from your neighborhood.

473
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: The furthest game that we are gonna play away from

474
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: your neighborhood is a hundred miles with a bunch of

475
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: people who probably share your makeup and your culture, you know.

476
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: And and then we're gonna lean in real hard to

477
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: the things that make us comfortable, because identity is a

478
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: huge part of who we are. So you're just raised

479
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: up a completely different way. And so if you're traveling

480
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: to a new city to check out of college and

481
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't vibe with your makeup. You know, there's a

482
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: lot of kids from New Orleans who flying to look

483
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: at the Arizona schools A, s U and UM and

484
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: you have a and you know, they get a lot

485
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: of kids come to come here and say, oh, man,

486
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: that was a really good time. I don't think I

487
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: could do that for four years. And then they get

488
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: some kids who are kind of outcasts back where they're

489
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: from and say like, yeah, I have no problem doing this.

490
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: But it's just it's always interesting to kind of see

491
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: how recruiting works out for football players because so much

492
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: of football at the high school level is about comfort

493
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: and culture, you know, whereas basketball it's about like, hey,

494
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you are always going to be uncomfortable. You should be

495
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: ready to go anywhere, play anywhere at any time. Yeah.

496
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: And and in basketball, which some of football is transitioning

497
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: to now, know, is they just literally I mean they

498
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: hoped schools hop teams hop states like so so easily.

499
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: My my my cousin a couple of years ago was

500
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: one of the top players in Ohio. He moved down

501
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: to Florida to to to go to Mount Mount Verde

502
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: just because it was a better opportunity for him playing

503
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: against better competition. Um you had, and I know that's

504
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: a point. I know that's a point you brought up before, George.

505
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: That's why so many of these colleges are bringing in

506
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: assistant coaches who are familiar with those cultures in those places,

507
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: so that they have somebody to relate to when they

508
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: get on campus or they feel like they have some

509
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: connective tissue to where they're from. Yeah, assistant coaches have

510
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: more power now than they ever have. You know, it

511
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: was always the head coaches, you know, like, oh, we

512
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: gotta keep our head coach, gotta keep her head coach.

513
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: But now when you see even coaches change over, like

514
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: you saw a career Peterson and and Jimmy Lake, and

515
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you've seen it happened in other places where they keep

516
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: recruiting classes together because assistant stay because yes, the head

517
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: coach closes it. But at the end of the day, now,

518
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, the assistant coaches matter. We saw, uh,

519
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: Johnny Johnny Wilson flipped from Oregon because a g a

520
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: left and I mean literally an analyst who was not

521
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: a coach, a real coach on staff left and then

522
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: uh and then the opposite coordinator took the head coaching

523
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: job at U and l V and and even though

524
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: they had a wonderful recruiting class kids, he knew all

525
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: of that stuff. He was like, and I'm gonna go

526
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: down to ashe like, That's how important those relationships are.

527
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: And sometimes and I think coaches they realized that. And

528
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: that's why we talked about on the other podcast, the

529
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: last podcast about recruiting, about how it's not necessarily all

530
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: about the greatest coaches, because coaches know that they can

531
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: overcome uh, that players who are great players can make

532
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: you look like a great coach even if you are not.

533
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: And then the and then the schools also they hire

534
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: people to coach, and then they hire people to recruit,

535
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: and some of them and sometimes those people take roles

536
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: like g a graduate assistant analyst or some other special

537
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: assistant to the coach or whatever, some non some non

538
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: football coach that they are allowed to have on staff.

539
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: And that's their whole job is to recruit, right. Nobody

540
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: nobody ever accused Dennis Ericson of being like a you know,

541
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: genius in the playbook but when he got those Miami

542
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: players down there, when he got that head coaching job

543
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: out in Miami, won two championships and was able to

544
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: parlay that into several path ten pack twelve coaching jobs,

545
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: two different stints in the NFL. You know, it's amazing

546
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: what some good players will do for your for your

547
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: reputation and for your longevity. I mean, look at look

548
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: at Arizona State. You look at and uh, they have

549
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator in Tony White, who was their

550
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: dB coach, their defensive back coach, because they're they're they're

551
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: difference coordinators took the New Mexico jobs. And you're sitting

552
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: here and everybody's like, Okay, I think it's gonna be

553
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce, Antonio Piers because when you look at Arizona

554
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: States recruiting, you see Antonio Piers. You don't see anybody

555
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: else nearly as much as you see him. He's in

556
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: all the kids. Edit, he's you know, uh, Mr Steel,

557
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: your recruit whatever it else else is like he is.

558
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: He's like he's like if you remember when I remember

559
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: when Suge Knight got up on stage and said, like

560
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: you want to come to death Row Records you don't

561
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: have your pretty us are dancing all in your videos.

562
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: Remember that. Yeah, Antonio Pierce is like if su Knight.

563
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Yes he's puffy and like he looks he looks like

564
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Suk acts like puffy And yeah, he's got his fingerprints

565
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: all over this recruiting and that, And that's why I

566
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of people expected him to be defensive

567
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: coordinator and what But from everything that I know about

568
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: Antonio pierces, Antonio Pierce would rather be a head coach

569
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: than a coordinator because he's he's like Jerry McGuire. He's

570
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: great in the living room. But and I think that

571
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: he wants to be CEO of a of a team

572
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: and not coordinator of a team because it is a

573
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: different skill set. And I think it's important to recognize

574
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: what a what you want in life and what you're

575
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: good at in life. Because if if Antonio Pierce believes

576
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: that he's not either capable or to to be as

577
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: great as he wants to be as coordinating compared to

578
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: being a head coach, because I do think he's gonna

579
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: be a good head coach when he gets the opportunity,

580
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: provided he hires some good coordinators. But maybe It's smart

581
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: on him to know that being the coordinator is not

582
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: necessarily the best move for him and his career and

583
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: his future success. Because Tony Tony White being named defensive

584
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: coordinator brought a shock to me because I was like, oh, wow,

585
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: what are they now going to do with Antonio Piers.

586
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: But then read further down Antonio Piers is uh promoted

587
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: to assistant head coach and I was like, ah, bingo,

588
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: that's that's where that's at. Because I don't think he

589
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: has any desire to be head coach. I mean to

590
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: be defensive coordinator. Route Yeah, I think you're probably right

591
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: about that. He's doing a good job at what he's

592
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: doing right now. He gets a bumping pay to keep

593
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: doing that exact thing. Um, you know, he didn't fall

594
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: into the trap of the Peter principal And that's what

595
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: you like to see people who are self aware, who

596
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: know their strengths. And that's real big right like And

597
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: and if he is angling to eventually be a head

598
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: coach somewhere, then this will probably pair him more, taking

599
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: more ownership without getting bogged down and sort of the

600
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: minutia of game planning will probably put him more on

601
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: that track. Yeah, yeah, if if if he can just

602
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: stay connected to the players, learn how to learn, be

603
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: even working even closer with Herm with the head coaching stuff,

604
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: stay connected to the players, they connected to the bigger picture,

605
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: and fully understand how everything works even more and planning

606
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: his own life out. Then I think that that is

607
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: that that's the move because to me, it looks like

608
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: Herm is enjoying coaching, that he is enjoying everything that

609
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: he's doing. But you know, he is an old man,

610
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: so this could only be another two, three, four years

611
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: to where he's putting these other coaches that he brought in,

612
00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: everybody from UH, from Kevin Mawai to UH to um

613
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: UH to Cincinnati's old old coach he Marvin Lewis and

614
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: some of these other people in positions to move up

615
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: in their career, advanced their career. And I think that

616
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: eventually in a few years, Herms just gonna be like,

617
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: all right, I'm done, I've done my good job, elevated

618
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: the program, put it in a good position, and now

619
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: with your turn to take over, guys, right, and uh,

620
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, I know that down in the University of Arizona,

621
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: they were kind of like hoping that that that they

622
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: throw some cash and Antonio Pierce to bring him down

623
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: there to run the defense. Didn't work out that way.

624
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if Antonio Pierce does end up

625
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: getting a head coaching job at the Arizona State, it's

626
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: gonna drive Arizona Wildcats absolutely nuts because you know, he's

627
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: part of that desert swarm defense down there, um, and

628
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: they really don't like seeing him in maroon and gold.

629
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: But you know, he's also one of those guys that

630
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: played like what one year college football after after leaving Juco.

631
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: That was just kind of a pit stop for him. Um.

632
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm not sure he's too wrapped

633
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: up in that what if What if? What if Antonio Peers,

634
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if if things don't go well for Arizona

635
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: this year with Kevin Sumbley, he could be a guy

636
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: who could be on Arizona shortlist. Yeah, absolutely, why not?

637
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and that would be you know that that

638
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: would be really really good for him, and that'd be

639
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: a right way to kind of reconcile their relationship. But

640
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: what university is hoping at, what University of Arizona is

641
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: hoping and what Kevin Sumielts hoping is that the higher

642
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: they did make for defensive coordinator actually ends up making

643
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: the difference and staves that possibility off for a couple

644
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: more years. And that's Paul Rhodes, former Iowa state head

645
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Speaker 1: coach who was serving in a capacity of defensive back

646
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: coach at u c l A. He's gonna come down

647
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the University of Arizona. They're going to see if they

648
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: can write the ship. Um. They're gonna move away from

649
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: the three three five defense and and and have some

650
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: multiple fronts um. And what they're really things it gives

651
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: them a crack at four star defensive end UM, Jason Harris,

652
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's who they had their eye on,

653
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: and I think losing him to Colorado or Indiana would

654
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: be incredibly embarrassing for them, considering that their dad, Shawn Harris,

655
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: is a you know, one of the better players, um,

656
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: and you have a history. And then also you know

657
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: his brother Jalen is currently on the defensive line, probably

658
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: the best player on their defense down there. Um. And

659
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: so you know, they announced that, and then they announced

660
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: that they got Schoolers Brennan Schooler, right they they announced

661
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: him as a transfer, and slowly but surely they're gonna

662
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: try to build this defense up under Paul Rhodes. That

663
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: should be really interesting. I am like when when you

664
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: look at Paul rhodes history and you look at all

665
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: the places that that he has been. Obviously he was

666
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: um I I was state head head coach. He's been

667
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: at you know, a g A at Ohio date, He's

668
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: been at the defensive coordinator at Pittsburgh when they had

669
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: some good years. Auburn's defensive coordinator been in Arkansas u

670
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: c l A. And I am I'm just spec speculating.

671
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: So there have been some years that he's had some

672
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: good defenses, some defenses that have just been iffy. And

673
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: when you look at you know, uh U c l

674
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: a s defensive performances in the back end last year. Yes,

675
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: part of it could be about scheme, Yes, part of

676
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: it could be I mean, it could be anything. However,

677
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I just you know, like you typically only see these

678
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: hires from people who came from, you know, having good

679
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: defenses the previous year. Because U c l A's past

680
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: defense this year in two thousand nineteen was dead last

681
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: and the back twell, they allowed sixties or sixty six

682
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: percent in COMPLETIONR percentage, which was worse than the pack twelve.

683
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: They gave up thirty seven hundred yards, thirty two touchdowns,

684
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: and three ten yards a game, which was worse than

685
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: the pack twelve. So I mean, so pardon pardon me

686
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: for for being a little bit skeptical of what's going

687
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: to happen at at University of Arizona. Well, let's be

688
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: fair to u c l A. They only had, you know,

689
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: multiple top ten recruiting classes to deal with, So isn't

690
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: isn't I mean that weird though that the narrative was

691
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: that the cupboard was was there when Chip got there,

692
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: But when you look at the rankings, I mean, this

693
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: is either a case of Jim Mora was only recruiting

694
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: off paper and not developed either not not developing players,

695
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: just recruiting off stars because none of those guys translated

696
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: into into top tier players. It was weird. They had

697
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: these really good recruiting classes, but then when Chip got

698
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: there to cover was was bare. I found that. I yeah,

699
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody should be saying that the cupboard was

700
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: bare um because highly regarded players didn't develop the way

701
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: that they should have there. That's you know, that's a

702
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: really weird way of looking at it. I'm out here.

703
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: There's a college called Grand Canyon University. They got a

704
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: really good basketball team, and they built a brand new

705
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: stadium for them, and they had to they had to

706
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: gut it about three years in to add three thousand

707
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: more seats just because of you know, the excitement that

708
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: was going on. But you know that the kind of

709
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: reminds me of U c L a football of like

710
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly going in there, cutting players and you know,

711
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: tearing things up like now it was nice before, like

712
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: it was it was nice and new before. So this

713
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: is a remodel, not a rebuild. Don't let anybody tell

714
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: you otherwise that the cupboard was empty and that they're

715
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: having a you know, um that they're building in the

716
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: middle of an empty field or something. They had good players.

717
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: He just didn't come in right away and find a

718
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: way to use the players that were on the team

719
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: to the best of their ability. And you can turn around,

720
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: you can blame Jim More Junior for a little bit

721
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: of that in the mindset that that team had when

722
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: he left. But you know, he cut and gutted a

723
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: lot of this team himself. Those are choices that he

724
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: was making to do things his way, and that's who

725
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: you hired. That's what you ask for when you bring

726
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: in a guy like Chip Kelly, so you can't really

727
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: complain too much. I do have a question for you, though, um,

728
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: since you're not completely sold on Dorian Thompson Robinson and

729
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: we now have two different quarterbacks who are going to

730
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: be in the transfer portal, um from Pack twelve schools,

731
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: do you think that u c l A would be

732
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: a good landing spot for either Joey Yellen or kJ Costello?

733
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Speaker 1: And if not U c l A where might be

734
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: a good spot? Okay? So k J Costello, he lay

735
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: he leave Stanford and I thought that he was going

736
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: to have a really good year this year. I thought

737
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: that he was going to have an opportunity to throw

738
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: the ball more. I thought date David Scharw was gonna

739
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: let him pitch it around. Started out? Okay, I guess

740
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: did he was hurt all year long? I mean, I

741
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I don't think that either one of those spots is

742
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: A is a good spot for well. I I don't

743
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: think that u c l A is a good spot

744
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: for for kJ cock Costello. I actually think the Arizona

745
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: would be a better spot for kJ Costello because Grant yeah, yeah, big,

746
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: because Costello has experience running an offense. He has experienced

747
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: doing all of these things that you would need to do.

748
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: He's won games, He's played in big games. Like, there's

749
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: so much to like about Costello, especially especially as a

750
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: as a stop gap or bridge, because it was clear

751
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: this year that Greg Ganelle either wasn't ready or Kevin

752
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Sumlin and the staff did a poor job of putting

753
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: him in good positions to be successful because they kept

754
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: switching him and Khalil Tate out like all year long.

755
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: So you have to say, all right, where should he go?

756
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: If your kJ cost Costello, you should go to either

757
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: Arizona or you should go to color Colorado because Colorado

758
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: is leaving a four year start or even you talk

759
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: they're they're all they're all wide open, you know, kind

760
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: of four three four year starters at at all the places,

761
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: and now they're gone, so nobody else really has any

762
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: experience or has a leg up, and and it's not

763
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: like they brought in some hotshot recruit at any of

764
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: those positions that they expect to come in and play immediately. Well,

765
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: I really, I really like Colorado is a potential landing

766
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: spot for for joe Yell and I think he'd be

767
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: really great there. Grew up Peyton Manning fan. Would be

768
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of cool for him to to head out there.

769
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: But answer me this one. Did Jacob Eason do enough

770
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: in the Las Vegas Bowl to entertain the idea of

771
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: going pro? And two? If he does, could you see

772
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: k J. Costello stepping into the mix at Washington Um

773
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: real real quick on on Joey Yelling though, I I

774
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: don't think that it's it's weird because yes, he had

775
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: a good showing in the one game against Arizona State.

776
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm I understand why he's transferred.

777
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: It makes complete sense. But yeah, because you're playing behind

778
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels, who's not coming out like the unless he

779
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: just did. Unless he did decides in the offseason that

780
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna smoke and drink himself out of out of

781
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: the potential NFL careers, it's not happening like you're gonna

782
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to pray for an injury, pray for

783
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: something you know, tragic to happen this life, and and

784
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: any of those things. He'll probably bounce back from any anyway.

785
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: So if I'm yelling, I agree with you, I go

786
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: to I tried Arizona, Colorado, Utah, maybe even what Washington.

787
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: But to answer your question about East, and though East

788
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: wasn't spectacular in the in the in the bowl game

789
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: he was twenty two for twenty three two yards and

790
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: a touchdown, I mean when and when you look at

791
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: his season long numbers, numbers he finished in the Pac twelve,

792
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: he was number and pull it up so quick he was.

793
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: He finished the season seventh. In passing, he was a

794
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: two thirty eight for three thirty for three seventy three

795
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: with eight touchdowns in twenty two I'm sorry, eight interceptions,

796
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: twenty two touchdowns, two three yards a game. He was okay,

797
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: I guess he was eighth in the conference and passing

798
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: efficiency eighth in the conference. The people who were buff

799
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: buffing Tyler Huntley, Slovia's Herbert Gordon Daniels Luton and Davis

800
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: Mills at Stanford. And I'm just like, I mean, he

801
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: was right above Dorian Thompson Robinson like, yes, he looks

802
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: the part. He looks the part. Jacob Easton looks the part.

803
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: But if you have another year of eligibility and you

804
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: have been doing what he has been doing. I'm sitting

805
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: there just like, alright, yes, you had a decent year,

806
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna be going off speculation. And unless

807
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: you can speculate that you're a top ten pick, which

808
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to to be, you put

809
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: yourself in this situation to where you know, like you're

810
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: putting your NFL career and money at risk as opposed

811
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: to coming back and changing someone else. Oh no, moments

812
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: into all right, Okay, okay, this kid looks legit. Now.

813
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about about Jacob Eason is this

814
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: year was probably better than three of Jake Browning's four

815
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: years at quarterback. But that means that in the last

816
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: five years, Washington has had just above average quarterback play,

817
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: like not not even good quarterback play. Because Jake Browning

818
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: as a freshman had sixteen touchdowns ten interceptions, as a

819
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: junior nineteen touchdowns, five interceptions, and as a senior sixteen

820
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: touchdowns ten interceptions. Jacob Eason had twenty three and eight

821
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: this year. Only Jake browning sophomore year, where he had

822
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: forty three touchdown passes, and most of those came in

823
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: the first six games of the season against subpar competition

824
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: before people kind of caught onto what he was doing.

825
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, it really hasn't been a great quarterback play

826
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: for the University of Washington. But do you think do

827
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: you think it will speed up Jacob Eaesan's decision knowing

828
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: that he's gonna have to get used to a new

829
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator next Ye. Yes, I think that that leans

830
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: probably leans more to him leaving, But it depends on

831
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: who that offensive coordinator is. If they can if that

832
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: guy is a proven quarterback developer, then I think he

833
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: may stay because he may see the writing on the

834
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: wall and say, hold up, I do need to get

835
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: it to to get better. So I think that that

836
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: that's probably where his head is at. He's like, all right,

837
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: let me get a little bit better, let me improve

838
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: my draft stock, my draft status. Because I was talking.

839
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: It's funny because I was talking to my son about

840
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: this today about He asked me, how do players know

841
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: or when is it the right time to come out

842
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: and go to the NFL or the n b A.

843
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I said, you don't go when you think you're going

844
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to get drafted high. You go when you're ready, because

845
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: if you're not read, Yes, you can be drafted highly,

846
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: but you've cut your career short and cut off your

847
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: back end money, which actually where the real money is

848
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: on that second contract. So if you can stay in

849
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: school for an extra year because you needed to develop

850
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: to give yourself career longevity, then that's actually the optimal move.

851
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Because is it is it optimal to to to play

852
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: four years, make make thirty million dollars as a top

853
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: ten tent ten pick, and and be labeled as a

854
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: as a bus or is it better to stay in

855
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: school either still be a top ten pick or be

856
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: a top twenty pick and then have a fifteen year

857
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: career part half of it as a starter half of

858
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: is it a backup and make eighty million dollars. True.

859
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about bush. I'm done for a second

860
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: because it feels a little bit extra savage when it's

861
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: your coworker who gives you the boot, because you know,

862
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson was there, and then Chris Peterson moves on

863
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: the first day, the first day of the Jimmy Lake administration,

864
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: he fires what was his offensive counterpart um, and uh,

865
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, that just feels a little

866
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: bit more cold blooded, like you're just you're or maybe

867
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: it's the move you have to make. Step in there,

868
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: established your kingdom, leave absolutely no question that you're the

869
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: one in the driver's seat. I think that that that

870
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: move was coming no matter who was the coordinator, I

871
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: mean no, no matter who was the head coach. If

872
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson was the head coach, Hamidon was getting fired.

873
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: If Jimmy Lakes head coach, he was gone. I mean,

874
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Washington's offense has not been good really, I mean since

875
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: since Jonathan Smith. I mean, so another's the re open

876
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: coordinator positions. What do you do? Like who's getting who? Oh? Everybody,

877
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: everybody is fighting for. I mean so originally everybody was

878
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: what was fighting for Zach Hill from Boise State, which

879
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: which may have been a reason why Boise State didn't

880
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: play with it well versus I tweeted that last night

881
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: Boise State looks like they could use some offensive coordination,

882
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: right exactly, So Arizona State stole Boise States coordinator um

883
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: and then you have um uh Rhett Lashly at uh

884
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: s M you who could have definitely used a good

885
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: offensive performers, but they got absolutely boat raced by by

886
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: f a U UM, which was just horrendous. And you know,

887
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: if you're sitting there and he's sitting there and had

888
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: people knocking down his door, I know that there are

889
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: some some calls that probably didn't come after that game.

890
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: Granted a lot of that was on his players. They

891
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: made some really poor throws, they fumbled, they did all

892
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, so it wasn't all him, But it

893
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: just looks bad when you get housed, you know, and

894
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: you're up for offensive coordinator jobs. But the but the

895
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: hot name around is is Chris Long from former Notre Dame,

896
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: former Notre Dame offensive coordinator, and he got the boot

897
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: after averaging thirty seven points per game. Thirty seven points

898
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: per game, one of the nation's more top offenses in

899
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: terms of scoring, and he got the boots. So I

900
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: had to do some asking around, some some some digging,

901
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: right because I'm like, how does this guy get get fired?

902
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Especially everything that you hear on the recruiting circuit is

903
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: that this dude is a high level master recruiter, okay

904
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: master recruiter, that he is one of those guys that

905
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: you hire and is able to that he's part of

906
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: the orchestration of a couple of West Coast kids top

907
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: West Coast kids going to Notre Dame, and I noticed

908
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: for a fact, And here is what I asked. I

909
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: asked a question two a couple of none who people

910
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: who will remain anonymous. What do you think of Chip Long?

911
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: I didn't mean Chris. I called him Chrick Chris Long earlier,

912
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean Chip Long. What do you What do you

913
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: think of Chip Long? I heard he's a good recruiter.

914
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: I also heard players don't like him, but I didn't.

915
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: But that didn't really make sense to me. How could

916
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: both be true? Here's the quote. I'm biased, but I'll

917
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: tell you the full scope. We had a close relationship

918
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: and he's the one who brought me to Notre Dame.

919
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: Elite football mind and he's one of the few coaches

920
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: that make sure your life outside of football is going well.

921
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: The only issue is people in the program. Uh didn't

922
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't like the way that he would yell at players.

923
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: Someone like me, yelling isn't in issues. Others were strongly

924
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: affected by his style. I love him, though, and I'm

925
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: bummed he's no longer with us. I'm I can I

926
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: tell you that I'm not surprised by that quote. And Uh,

927
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: he was somebody who was a recruiting coordinator and tight

928
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: ends coach at Arizona State before leaving with Mike Norvell

929
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: to go to Memphis. And uh, and here here are

930
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: a couple of things that would were told to me

931
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: while he was here. Um, incredible recruiter, gonna be a

932
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: head coach someday. Uh. Why is everybody named Chip a jerk? Uh? So? Um?

933
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean one of the nicest people I've ever met

934
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: in my entire life, not not even just nicest. I

935
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they're nice. I would say that like

936
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: one of the best human beings I've ever met in

937
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: in my life, who's still kind of a pretty intense person,

938
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,479
Speaker 1: loves on everybody, super charitable. He even he was like, man,

939
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can if I can do chiplong,

940
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a lot like that, dude is a lot. Wow.

941
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: See but see see here's the here's the good news

942
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: is this is look at a guy like um, like

943
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: coach coach Geron. Yeah, look at Bill Belichick, look at

944
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: um Pete Carroll. Guys who who got jobs? I mean,

945
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: and and the list goes on and on and on.

946
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: Guys who got jobs? And the first time, they thought

947
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: that they had to do things one way and then

948
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: they get fired and then that changes their approach with

949
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: how they do it. But then sometimes you get guys

950
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: like Tom, like Tom Coughlin who won't that's why he's

951
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: fired in Jacksonville right right now. But um, but I

952
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: think that that is a big thing. So hopefully whatever

953
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: the things were that got Chip long fire in terms

954
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: of you know, how to deal with the players in

955
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: terms of football wise, because you don't have to yell

956
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: to be effective, like that's it, Like you don't always

957
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 1: have to yell, cuts people out and all this stuff,

958
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: because it can't just be yelling. It's got to be

959
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: some some not cool things that are being being set

960
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: so you so easy, they're going to have to change

961
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: his style because there's no way he'll be a head

962
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: coach if that's the style he uses with with players,

963
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: because you have to get the players. But it's weird

964
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: because the players say that he's a great recruiter and

965
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: he checks on there as a people person, so he

966
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: probably feels like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde. You're like,

967
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: this dude is one way have to time, but then

968
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: some of the other time, what the hell is he

969
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: doing or or the dudes are just going eleven out

970
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: of ten and everything, like maybe that's it, Like maybe

971
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: he just goes hard as a recruiter, hard as a friend,

972
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: hard as a hard as a coach, you know, and

973
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: and one of those greats on you because and only

974
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: one of those is he in a position of authority,

975
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: So you know who knows. But I just all I

976
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: know is only one team can end up with him.

977
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: And if you're patient, you know, you might end up

978
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: with the Jason Garrett the market, because that dude's for

979
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: sure getting fired, dude, But what hold on the Jason

980
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett still has a shot, dude, because and and

981
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: this this is where Jason Garrett is just like Clay Hilton.

982
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: They make it so difficult to fire them every single year.

983
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: So they the Cowboys lost to the Eagles, so they're

984
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: seven and eight. Eagles are eight and seven. But next

985
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: week I think the the Eagles played the Giants and

986
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys play the Redskins. So if the Cowboys winning,

987
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Eagles lose, the Cowboys go to the playoffs. So so

988
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: it's one of those things rou that if you just

989
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: look like that's probably what's going to happen, and then

990
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's gonna go win a playoff game or two,

991
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: get to the NFC Championship and then and then lose

992
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: on a controversial call, and then everybody's gonna be like,

993
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: how do you how do you fire the guy now?

994
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: And and that is Chip and that is Clay Hilton too.

995
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: They are the same guy. But but if things don't

996
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: go go right, then you you are right Jason Garrett,

997
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe in the in the oye of coordinator business, but

998
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's where rivalries are even stronger because

999
00:58:51,680 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: you got Washington Oregon. Who else is looking for a coordinator? Uh? Yeah,

1000
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: at all looking for coordinators? And you have to think

1001
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: that cal is probably not as attractive as watching the

1002
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: Oregon because because the paycheck won't be as big. So

1003
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: you're like, so, now you've got watching the Oregon who

1004
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: clearly hate each other fighting for the same coach. Mhm.

1005
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: That should go over well, let you go over real

1006
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: real well. UM I wanted to before we get out

1007
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: of here today, though, I want to hit on the

1008
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: the recruiting class is slightly a bit. What was your

1009
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: biggest surprises from National Signing Day? Um? I was pretty

1010
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: surprised by zero drama from Brendan Rice. He just went

1011
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: in there and ink his signature with Colorado and said

1012
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: let's do this. That rounded out what what to me

1013
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: was a really good class for Colorado. And I hadn't

1014
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: read it yet, but I did see that somebody wrote

1015
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: a piece for the Athletic on on just how good

1016
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: this recruiting class could be for Colorado. So I'm excited

1017
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: to sit down and maybe read that to see evening.

1018
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: But um so, yeah, Brennan Rice, I know, was kind

1019
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: of waffling a little bit. There weren't too many out

1020
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: and out surprises for me. Uh Utah though, didn't Utah

1021
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: in like Clark phillips Um and that that I didn't

1022
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: even have that when I got him from that I

1023
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: got him from Ohio State, right, that was not even

1024
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: on my radar. He is somebody that I think is

1025
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: maybe rated. I wonder if he's a little bit higher

1026
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: on seven than he is on Rivals. But he's a

1027
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: very good player, like he's a play now player. And

1028
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: that that was huge for Utah to get somebody who

1029
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: could probably step in um and do some damage right

1030
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: away in the defensive backfield, especially if we're assuming that

1031
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson is done and you know, and and they're

1032
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: gonna need some help. They're gonna be young, and they

1033
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: have no problem if you're ready, you know. And and

1034
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: Rivals has him as the number sixty three player in

1035
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: the entire country, which would rank him. Let's see where

1036
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: that ranks him, just among amongst overall Pack twelve recruits.

1037
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: Let's see, the highest recruit that anybody landed in the

1038
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: Pac twelve is justin Flow, which is pretty obvious. According

1039
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: to Rivals, he's the number four player in the country.

1040
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: From that point, Savelle smallst comes in at number thirteen,

1041
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: to Washington, Uh, Noah Seoul at number sixteen, two ore

1042
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: Agon And then I mean as far as the top

1043
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: twenty five goes, that's it. That's all that stayed with

1044
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: Pack twelve schools. Uh. And then I think from that

1045
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: point you drop down the list pretty far before you

1046
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: have anybody else who signed with a with a Pack

1047
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: twelve school. Um, and actually it it might be it

1048
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: is it is. It's Clark Phillips. He's the fourth highest

1049
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: rated prospect in the entire Pack twelve according to Rivals

1050
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: to Sign and Announce. That's that's a very important part

1051
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: and announce UH with with a pac twel school. That's

1052
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: huge for Utah. So to me, that's quite far the

1053
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: biggest surprise. Yeah, I definitely uh like that was a

1054
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: huge move. I went when I first started hearing buzz

1055
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: about it a day or two before signing a day,

1056
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Ohio State, they put out dbs

1057
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: every year. I was surprised, but I was very, very

1058
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: surprised by that move. The other thing that I would

1059
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: say that I was surprised by was um Arizona State's

1060
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: recruiting class. I was surprised. I mean, grant granted, I

1061
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: do agree that we have to give a lot of

1062
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: credit to Colorado because they put together a really good class.

1063
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: They're they're um on two seven their thirty six ranked.

1064
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: They still got a couple, they still got three spots

1065
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: open potentially. But Arizona State, sitting at thirty seven with

1066
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: only fifteen signees so far, UH could commit slash science signees.

1067
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: And I'm looking and I expect them to close strong

1068
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: because there's a couple of players who if you read anything,

1069
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: you know they there's a lot of people who think

1070
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: that when they announced at the at their Bowl games

1071
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: that they're gonna get Elijah Badger the kid uh not

1072
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: out of folsome too, and LV Bunkly sheltering the wide receivers.

1073
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: So you're looking at their class with their fifteen recruits

1074
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: and just adding no a five star h because I

1075
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: think not as a five star right, Uh, if he is,

1076
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: it's on rivals. I don't think the topic hundred. But

1077
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: he's definitely he's definitely a four star. Yeah. So so

1078
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: adding three more four star players is going to have

1079
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: them with a really good clothes. I mean, in addition

1080
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: to everything else. How many spots do they have open

1081
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: um five? I mean, they got some blue shirts. Jack

1082
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: Jones technically wasn't even on scholarship last year, so that

1083
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna have some Uh, they're gonna have some blue shirts.

1084
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: And then a couple of their signees this year are

1085
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: going to be blue shirts for next year. So they

1086
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: got five spots. They're probably looking to get some ready

1087
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: made offensive linemen. There's some rumors out there that you know,

1088
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: they're looking at some people from A and M from Stanford. Uh,

1089
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: I think everybody's looking at some people from Stanford. But um,

1090
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: I think that you know that they're they're trying to

1091
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: get somebody can come in and play right away on

1092
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line. But you're right. I mean they're expected

1093
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: to close out on on three different four star offensive weapons, um,

1094
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: to go along with what they already have. And I

1095
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: think that we're just getting further and further away from

1096
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: the initial reaction to the Hermitwards higher, which was universally

1097
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: and I and I don't use this lightly at all,

1098
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: universally panned and mocked. Um. I didn't go I didn't

1099
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: go so far as to come out and say that

1100
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: it was bad or make fun of it or anything

1101
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: like that. But I did write a pretty lengthy piece

1102
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: at the time saying like, in order for this to work,

1103
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things are gonna have to sort of

1104
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: fall in line, and it seems like things are sort

1105
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: of starting to go that way. I mean, let's not

1106
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: get ahead of ourselves. This is still a team that

1107
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: won seven games, you know, between seven and eight games

1108
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: three years in a row. So, um, you know, seven

1109
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: wins last year, seven wins this year under her Edwards

1110
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: with a shot and an eighth win in a bowl game.

1111
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: Uh So, no, nobody should be saying, like coach of

1112
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: the year or anything like that. But it's not. It's

1113
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: not the worst thing that ever happened. Which that was

1114
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: the prediction from everybody was that this was just an

1115
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: enormous joke of all and I was, I was in

1116
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: the same boat as you, Ralph. I was just like,

1117
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: this is gonna be feast or famine, Like there's no

1118
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: there's no one between, Like this is either going to

1119
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: be a disaster of a of a higher or this

1120
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be really really good for building a program.

1121
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any in between when it

1122
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: when it came to that. I was also surprised with

1123
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: Utah obviously, like we like we said with Clark uh

1124
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: them them getting are and then finishing super strong. That

1125
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: was amazing, But they only have seventeen spots and a

1126
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of and a lot of room left to how

1127
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: what what do you think about their class? It's a

1128
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: good class. I mean they've got a lot of room

1129
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: for people to come in and help right away. Um,

1130
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: and that you know, up until very recently, I think

1131
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: I've brought this up on the podcast again and again

1132
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: and again. They didn't even have anybody from a state

1133
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: that has a Pack twelve school in it. Right, um,

1134
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: But they closed out really strong in state. They got

1135
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: three four players from the state of Utah, which is

1136
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: really really good for them because that usually means that

1137
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: they're running up against B y u for some of

1138
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: those players, So to beat out B y u is

1139
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: is a really really big deal. They got the guys

1140
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: that they got from Texas, but they also established a

1141
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: presence in California, which I thought was very important, especially

1142
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: with the Clark Phillips thing. Like again, so they they've

1143
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: got more than one force star because they got Van

1144
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: Fillinger um out of Draper Utah, and both of those

1145
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: guys could probably come in and make an immediate impact.

1146
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips is gonna have to put some weight on,

1147
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: but I mean he's a real legit player. For him

1148
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: to flip from Ohio State, that's huge. And it was

1149
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: really funny to see Utah fans trolling Ohio State fans.

1150
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: You know who. Ohio State fans could bleed eight four

1151
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: stars and still have a top twenty recruiting class um,

1152
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: but it was fun to see Utah fans being able

1153
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: to get on Ohio State fans nerves on signing day.

1154
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: Like Utah Twitter just has this unique way of getting

1155
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: under people's skin and and I thought that was pretty entertaining. Yeah,

1156
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, Ralph. I think that that

1157
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: Utah finished strong. I thought U c l A did

1158
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: as well. That they put themselves in a really good

1159
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: put position. They even got a quarterback who can't possibly

1160
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: compete with UM with Dorian Thompson Robinson. And then the

1161
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: kid from who transferred from Washington is going to be

1162
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: eligible this upcoming year. Oh oh, the kid is Parker

1163
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: acquired this kid from New New Hampshire, ironically, which leads

1164
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: me to believe that the kid is underrated and could

1165
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: be really good because Chip Kelly is from New Hampshire,

1166
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: so he's got ties there. So it's weird to pull

1167
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: a kid from New Hampshire to play football. But I

1168
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: think that that could be a sneaky good recruiting cat.

1169
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Rivals. Rivals loves that kid. Rivals

1170
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: has him as the number nine pro style quarterback in

1171
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: the country, so they think very highly of him. He's huge,

1172
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: he's six ft seven. Um, do you have to help

1173
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: me out with this because you watch a lot more

1174
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: U c l A than me. Do they play a

1175
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: three four or something because they have like seven kids

1176
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,799
Speaker 1: that you could probably call linebackers or maybe like stand

1177
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: up rush ends. Uh this one thing of their classes linebackers. Yeah,

1178
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: I think the goal is to be a three, to

1179
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: be a three four. They were set up more like

1180
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: their roster was more constructed to be a four three.

1181
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: But I think they've been uh slowly, you know, over

1182
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: the last two classes, trying to get players to fit

1183
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: that system. You know, because that because that's what you know,

1184
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: um Oregon played when when when Chip Chip was there

1185
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: a version of a of a three four you know

1186
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: or um either that or they're going to be more

1187
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: of a three three five team. So so that's that's

1188
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: their actual goal. Um. Yeah, Well you can also tell

1189
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: that one of their goals is to just be tall

1190
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: and long, because twenty one out of twenty three of

1191
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: their commitments are at least six one and uh seventeen

1192
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: out of twenty three or at least six too, So

1193
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a tall last team. If they

1194
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: got that weight program going, then then then a couple

1195
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: of years from now that these guys are gonna look

1196
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: like monsters. Oh for sure, for sure. But I am

1197
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: interested to to a scene I know, we'll talk about

1198
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: it soon. The rest of the class though, because there

1199
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: are a bunch of really good players out there that

1200
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: that the Pac twelve could close on. I mean that,

1201
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean everybody is wondering, because do you you have

1202
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: people that um at Oregon that think that that your

1203
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: video with Keiley Ringo in the Oregon shirt after he's

1204
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: just been you know, so secretive and G fourteen classified

1205
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: about his recruiting would slip up and wear an Oregon shirt.

1206
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that. Yeah, Kille

1207
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: Ringo comes in to watch his teammates sign at Sorrel

1208
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: High School, and I've known Killi a long time, and

1209
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: I just said, like, hey man, you want to talk

1210
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about your teammates because he knows, like

1211
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: I know, he doesn't want to talk about his recruitment

1212
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: and and so you know, I'm not gonna ask him

1213
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: to do anything that he doesn't want to do. And

1214
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: he's like, of course, I'll talk about my teammates. So

1215
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: I'd take a two minute video with him talking about

1216
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: you know, his quarterback who's going to Buck now, his

1217
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: defensive backfield mate who's going to Washington, Jacobe Covington's Damien Sellers,

1218
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: who was he was on the defense with Who's going

1219
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: to u C l A M who did like a

1220
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: hat reveal. We talked about all those guys and I

1221
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: upload the video and I realized that this dude's in

1222
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: an Oregon long sleeve shirt the entire time, and my

1223
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: mentions were just an absolute mess after that because it's

1224
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: signing day, he's wearing an Oregon shirt. He says he

1225
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't sign anywhere yet and it's really between Oregon and Georgia.

1226
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: Georgia had to feel pretty good about things heading into

1227
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: the day. Um, and so yeah, that that was pretty messy.

1228
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: His mom's got like a University of Oregon avatar, which

1229
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: also I guess his mom held like a live python

1230
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: or something like that in a photo shoot for I

1231
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: want to say it was the University of Georgia, and

1232
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 1: the n C double A came in and said no

1233
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: more posing with live animals. So Keilei Ringo's mom got

1234
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: n C double A rules changed, which is a fun

1235
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: little tidbit. Um. But yeah, so you know, I don't

1236
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: know if he's going to Oregon or Georgia. I've I've

1237
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: thought Georgia since got for five months, and I think

1238
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: I even you know, I made a public prediction saying

1239
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: that he'd go to Georgia, and I don't feel like

1240
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: changing it, because you know how I am. If I

1241
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: make the prediction, I'm just gonna stand by it, even

1242
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: if I get new information, you know, I'll go down

1243
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: with the ship. I do know that he was in

1244
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: contact with Justin Flow before Justin Flow announced his commitment

1245
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: to Oregon. You know that those two were talking, and

1246
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: Justin Flow let him know ahead of time. I know

1247
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: that for sure. So you know, maybe that's a good

1248
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: sign for for Oregon fans, but it'll be really interesting

1249
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: when this whole thing gets revealed. How about Gary Bryant Jr.

1250
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: I feel like he's gotta I think that he sees

1251
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: that he could go to USC in what is a

1252
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: down year for skill positions in that class and really

1253
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 1: be the shining star of the class. Yeah, but they

1254
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: still have a lot of players at that position. They

1255
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: do have a lot of players in that position, but

1256
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: at the the next year, most of those guys will

1257
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: be going so um and and you know, Gary Bryant

1258
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't think You really think Gary Bryant thinks he can't

1259
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 1: go in there and be better than some of those dudes.

1260
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, like he's not Brown,

1261
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you're not gonna

1262
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: take a mom Rod st Brown or Tyler ron Spot

1263
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 1: if they if if Von stays like you're like, you're not, Like,

1264
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be competing with the Drake kid. And I

1265
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: think he's Drake, right, Drake London, Yes, six or five

1266
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: monstrous wide receiver. Yeah, so you're gonna be fighting with

1267
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: Drake Dreke London for catches and anybody else that that

1268
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: they that they have in that room. But what you

1269
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: won't be one of the top two guys. I think

1270
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: that Gary Bryant probably in his mind thinks, all right, well,

1271
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna come there. I'm your punt returner, I'm

1272
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: your kick returner. I'm gonna get some reps on the field.

1273
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't think he's worried about anything.

1274
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: So in my mind, he's at usc leen. Um. I

1275
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: can tell you that, you know, as you fought real

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Speaker 1: hard to get his attention, and I don't think that

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Speaker 1: he's he's gonna end up going to a s U,

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Speaker 1: but so so in my head, I've been kill announced

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Speaker 1: for USC. Yeah, the recruiting, we will get to all

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Speaker 1: of that in the coming weeks, and we appreciate your time,

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Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Thank you guys for listening to the

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles podcast. Make sure you gotta share it

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Speaker 1: I'm at at Unafraid show dot com. Peace out, Catch

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Speaker 1: you guys later at Christmas