WEBVTT - Wake Me Up When September Ends 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.360 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.200 stream studios here in Times Square. You know, folks, it 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:27.720 has been another extraordinary week in America, and what we 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.200 know now with just a couple of days into September, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.200 is that children at a very high rate are contracting 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.800 COVID nineteen. We are seeing in a one week span, 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.080 I want everybody to wrap their minds around this. In 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.360 a one week span, two hundred and fifty thousand kids 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:54.160 across the country contracted COVID nineteen. Now, while hospitalizations of 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.840 these young people remains low, it is in fact surging 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.240 where before in twenty twenty with the alpha variant we 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.040 were told right and again, I am not putting any 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.119 blame on scientists or doctors. They are learning as they 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.679 are going and it requires all of us to be 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:17.000 intellectually nimble right to adapt to information that we are 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.280 getting and move with that new information. With the alpha variant, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.520 in twenty twenty, we were told that children were really 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.319 not susceptible, that they were fine, and they had the 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.240 immune systems to be able to fight off COVID. Well, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.920 push back now push forward, I should say, a year later, 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.759 and we were in an entirely different place with an 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.760 entirely new variant. And right now they are roughly a 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.959 little over two thousand children across the country that are hospitalized, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.480 and you were hearing from pediatric doctors telling us that 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.720 children's hospitals are getting to capacity which they've never seen. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.800 And what we know to be true is this is 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.960 that when we are dealing with hospitals that are at 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.000 capacity with COVID, that other ailments that people are coming 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.600 in with, that children are coming in with, are not 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.359 being treated. So what does that say about this kind 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.480 of domino effect that is happening with our healthcare right 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.000 now as it pertains to kids. Something else is very notable, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.680 and it is the constant. I got to tell you this. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.880 It's incredibly troubling to me that we are having just 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.840 a couple of days since school has begun across the 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:39.799 country that there's a school in San Antonio, Texas where 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.760 every kindergarten teacher has contracted COVID. And get this, the 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.240 school did not alert parents to that fact. And as 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.200 a matter of fact, the students and the teachers basically 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.920 have to rely on the trust that they have in 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.280 the institution to tell them what's why, because they're relying 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.040 on each other, because they're getting mixed messages. Why are 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.800 they getting mixed messages? Probably because they live in the 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:12.160 fucking state of Texas, where Abbot right, I don't know, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.920 the executioner of Texas has decided to not include mass 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.640 mandates right to make it so that we don't have 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.880 social distancing in schools, to make it so that students 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.200 right can be harassed by adults as they're heading into 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:32.000 the building, so that people can totally begin to threaten 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.880 and attack all of these school administrators that are trying 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.840 to keep their kids safe well without anybody's mandates, and 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.200 without with the fear of losing income if you are 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.400 sued right or your salaries are caught like death Santis 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:52.320 is doing in Florida. Teachers, parents, students are all left 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.880 juggling a bunch of balls in the air and hoping 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.880 that they don't just drop on their heads. It is incredibly, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:06.040 incredibly disgusting to me that parents are being put in 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:13.200 a situation where, you know, we're basically allowing these governors 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.080 to play Russian Roulette with your lives. So the school 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.080 that I'm talking about is kind of Ranch Elementary and 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:23.160 it is in San Antonio, And it was being reported 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:29.320 by an epidemiologist and health economist, Eric fagel Ding on Twitter, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.640 and it was also posted on my San Antonio dot 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:37.080 com that how parents discovered the fact that their kids 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:42.200 were exposed to COVID. I mean, this is just bullshit. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:48.799 Folks like I can't imagine the anxiety and the stress 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.279 that parents and caregivers are having right now, just hoping 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.120 to God that the teachers and the administrators where they 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.880 are dropping their kids off are doing the right thing. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.560 And clearly at this place where again we're in Texas, 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.000 so there are no vaccine mandates, there are no mask mandates, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.200 there is nothing. You're just crossing your fingers and kind 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.440 of pushing your kids through the door and hoping that 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:16.239 they come back. What. Well, and here's the thing, even 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.000 if we are at a situation in a place where 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:23.520 we're saying, okay, well, I guess three thousand hospitalizations for 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.080 kids across the country is not that big of a deal, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.200 which is outrageous for these quote unquote you know, pro 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.680 force birth folks who are all about telling me and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.560 telling every woman and telling everybody with the uterus what 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.520 they can and cannot do right to protect a life. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.760 Fucking bullshit, Because if they were really interested in protecting life, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.400 you tell me why they wouldn't be on the side 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.000 of mask mandates, Why they wouldn't be on the side 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.920 of vaccinations to keep everybody safe, since you know life 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.440 is so precious and all given to you by the 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:02.120 Great Lord above. Fucking hypocrisy, And I want Democrats to 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.800 call out the hypocrisy on a day to day basis. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.760 And frankly, I want these parents right that are concerned 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.520 about the wellbeings of the wellbeing of their kids to 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.480 sue the fucking school district because if I were a 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.680 parent at Kinder elementary school, I would absolutely be suing 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.000 this school district because how are you not sending emails 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.480 or text messages or making phone calls to let people 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:31.400 know exactly what is happening? Right? Why are they finding out? 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.560 Why are these parents finding out through the grape vine 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.320 like a game of telephone with other parents to find 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.360 out whether or not they're safe. And mind you, these 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.960 kids are coming home. Some of these kids live in 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:48.000 intergenerational homes, right, So what does that mean about the 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.839 safety of the adults in those homes. It is we 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.800 are at an infuriating place when it comes to COVID 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.640 nineteen because what I fear and what I continue to say, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.440 and what our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel tells us, is 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.160 that the middle of October is going to tell us 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.480 a whole fucking lot about what it is that American 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:14.680 school systems are doing completely and totally wrong, folks. Coming 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:20.840 up next is my conversation with American University professor David Vine, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.520 who is going to talk about and I'm very interested 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:28.040 in this conversation about his new book, The United States 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.480 of War. It is a third in a trilogy of 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.360 books about war in peace and our obsession with empire 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.360 building in this country and our militarized society. That is 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:44.640 coming up next, folks. I am so excited to welcome 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.000 to wok F for the very first time David Vine, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.840 professor of anthropology at American University and the author of 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.480 the United States of War, which is a provocative examination 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.760 of how the US military has shaped our entire world, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.320 from today's multi ti trillion dollars decades long wars to 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.080 the prominence of violence. David you know, we're talking to 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.160 you at a really interesting time, and obviously your book 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.560 is incredibly timely with our recent withdrawal from Afghanistan, America's 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:20.680 longest war were twenty years we have been fighting alongside 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.760 Afghans to defend against the Taliban and to bring some 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.440 type of semblance of democracy. But in that time, what 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.720 we realize is as the withdrawal was being announced that 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.360 within weeks, twenty years of effort, twenty years of lives 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:38.120 lost on both sides of the conflict, whether it be 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:44.200 Afghan civilians or American military members, it was all poof 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.480 gone within weeks, and now the Taliban has full control 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.920 over a country that the United States had supposedly been 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.080 keeping safe for the last twenty years. Before we jump 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.680 into your book, The United States of War, what were 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:04.119 your feelings when you heard about the withdrawal happening, And then, honestly, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.560 what are your thoughts about how the withdrawal actually happened 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.920 and whether or not we should have been in Afghanistan 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.319 to begin with? I think those are all the right questions. 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.320 First thing, thank you, Danielle for having me. I'm really 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:22.440 excited to speak with you. You know, I supported it 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.880 and support President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan. I think it 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.240 was the right thing to do. I think the withdrawal 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:34.120 itself was handled poorly on the whole. I think, you know, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.760 evacuating upwards of one hundred and fourteen thousand Afghans plus 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.839 several thousand more from Afghanistan was impressive in a very 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:48.080 short period of time. But the chaos that a formal 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.679 withdrawal of most of the US military from Afghanistan did 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.760 not need to happen and should have been better with 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.160 the Taliban. Now, that said, the war should never have 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.320 been fought. This was not a war for democracy. This 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.200 was not a war to protect Afghans. This was a 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.720 war that was fought for a variety of reasons having 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.360 to do with the Bush and Cheney administration desire for revenge, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:16.560 supported by large segments of the US population. But it 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.040 was barbally. Of course, the one member of Congress stood 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.480 up and opposed the war in Afghanistan, who of course 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.960 was right from the beginning. And there were others anti 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.720 war movement brewing then and that was speaking out. But 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:37.000 this was a war that was built on lies twenty 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.080 years lies about the progress of the war lies that 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.400 the war was indeed to bring democracy and peace and 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.840 freedom and security to Afghans. This is a war that 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:54.360 I think it more appropriately characterized as a massive wealth transit. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:11:00.840 Robert Reich is just wow that literally of dollars two 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.439 point three kinds of trillion dollars to put three trillion 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.240 with a T dollars that went to funding for the 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.000 US war in Afghans. The vast majority of it ended 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:17.120 up in the coffers of the military industrial complex, weapons manufacturers. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.120 And this is I think the major effect of the war. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:27.000 In addition to taking the lives of six hundred thousand Afghans, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:33.280 that includes those side and indirections, the lives of US 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:39.920 military personnel and contract. Each death, each injury is a 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.640 terrible cost at this war. But we have to keep 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.320 our eyes first and foremost that's been inflicted on Afghans, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.920 which is really catastrophic and which continues. And will can 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:57.439 you after the US AD all you know to listen 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:03.080 to you say that essentially, and I'm going to paraphrase, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.640 this was a money laundering scheme, right, a two point 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:11.560 three trillion with a T dollar money laundering scheme. My 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.440 question to you about it is how was this able 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:22.720 to survive over four presidents right on Republican and Democrats? 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.840 How was this able to survive for that many years? 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.600 Knowing that, I mean, do we not provide progress reports 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.480 with the military? Do they not let us know how 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.800 efforts are going on the ground, and so then we 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.720 can then analyze whether it makes sense to keep expending 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.559 the money, keep expending the life and the energy force 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.160 in order to be in a situation that we know 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.680 that we can't change. I think the short answer is 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.120 lives and credit cards now lives mean we were given 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.400 progress reports. We were given by generals and admirals and 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.720 civilian government officials who consistently lied about the progress, consistently 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.000 lied about how things were going in this war. And 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:13.120 the Washington Post Afghanistan papers they sort of echoed the 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:18.640 Pentagon papers of the Vietnam era. The Afghanistan shows these lies, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.680 and I would ret to anyone. This of course came 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.560 after the Washington Post and other major news outlets were 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:31.800 really cheerleaders in Afghanistan and Iraq. Years later, they of 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.160 course cast a more critical the credit card part that 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.800 these wars, the war in Afghanistan, but also the US 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.320 war in Iraq and all the post nine to eleven 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.480 wars in twenty five countries where US combat troops have 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.600 been deployed. These have been fought on a credit card, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:55.920 which is to say that administrations have and congresses behind 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.920 them have charged the cost of these wars rather than 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.840 raising taxes, which is how have been fought in the past. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.599 We're US citizens fatally the effects of these wars, the 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.320 efecial effect of going to war. In the case of 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.040 the post nine eleven wars, these wars have been put 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.560 on a credit card, effectively inflicting the costs on future 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.720 to pay back all that. But that's another way that 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.960 the wars essentially have been hidden and away, in which 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:35.240 four administrations have kept them going. You know, I just 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:40.840 find it so atrocious the amount of money that our 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.000 tax dollars, the amount of tax dollars that are funneled 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:50.280 into our military industrial complex, funneled into the Pentagon, you know, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.680 and I think about what it is we don't spend 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.320 money on, right, We're always told that there isn't enough 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.480 There is enough money to put in health and human services, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.080 there isn't enough money to put in public education, There 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.360 isn't enough money to fight climate changer isn't there's never 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:10.000 enough money. But you know who's always like, you know, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.880 neck deep in money is the military. So talk to 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:18.520 us about your book The United States of War and 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.200 how you think that the military and our militarization of 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.960 our police right which we saw for the first time 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.320 really I think up close during Ferguson in twenty fourteen, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.280 when we're seeing the fact that our local police departments 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.640 had all the latest Gi Joe outfits as well as 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.800 tanks as well as you know, weaponry that you would 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:47.320 see in an Afghanistan as opposed to a suburb of 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:52.800 the United States. Talk to us about how this militarization 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.080 has happened over the years and how it has accelerated. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.880 I think the militarization of the police is actually a 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.000 really good example and terrible atradious example, as you said, 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.480 of how the post nine eleven wars and a much 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:15.520 longer process of militarization that dates to independence in some ways, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.400 as I show in my book The United States War 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:23.800 really dates to Columbus surviving in Americas. It's an example 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.240 of how this has come back to bite us here 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.120 in the United States. The effects of these wars have 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.960 been felt not just by people in Afghanistan or Iraq, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:38.080 or Syria or Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Philippines and on, they've 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.600 been felt here in the streets of the United States 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.880 and have damaged our lives in profound ways, beginning with 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.320 the money that has been spent on these wars. In total, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.040 the post nine eleven wars have cost US taxpayers eight 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.800 trillion dollars eight trillion dollars, and that is really a 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.360 hard sun to comprehend. But I think, as you rightfully 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.159 pointed out, so frequently when people, you know, we're asking 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:10.120 for money for universal healthcare or universal education, the universal college, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.880 that is for you to house the homeless, to make 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.159 sure that there's no one in this country goes hungry. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:22.040 To rebuild bridges and streets and other infrastructure, public transportation, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.920 we're told there isn't enough money. There is there's always 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.680 been enough money. We've invested eight trillion dollars in war 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.720 since two thousand and one. In total, that's just the 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.880 war budgets. In total, if you include the regular quote 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.479 unquote regular Pentagon budget, it's twenty one trillion dollars. Now 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:45.080 the US government, yes, I mean it it's mind boggling 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.480 and should really make us weep. I mean, how many 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.480 literally hundreds of thousands of people died of COVID because 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.080 we didn't invest even a small portion of that eight 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.440 trillion just takes eight trillion alan in pandemic for apiredness 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.040 because we didn't invest in PP, because we didn't invest 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:07.320 in ventilators, because we didn't invest in vaccine production capacity. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.480 And then we think about how many people have died 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.760 because we don't have universal healthcare in this country, or 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.399 how many people have died sleeping on the streets at 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:19.600 night in places like Washington, DC. It's really I you know, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.800 it should make us weak. And as I show in 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.800 my book The United States War, this is a long 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:30.040 term process, especially since World War Two, dominated by an 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:35.560 increasingly powerful military industrial complex that is so addicted to war. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.399 There's so many profits to be made from war. It 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.800 has created a self perpetuating system that we have to break. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.280 We have to bring down the military industrial colurewise, we're 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.000 going to keep fighting. And that's my greatest fear, that 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.720 we're going to end up in another Afghanistan, another Iraq, 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.840 which really in my mind that you know, all the 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.680 posto a living wars are our Vietnam. For those of 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.560 us who grew up after the Vietnam War, this is 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.000 our Vietnam. It's not recognized as such, but the damage 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.240 that's been inflicted is just as great, and we're going 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.359 to end up in yet another Vietnam, another Afghanistan, another 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.440 Iraq if we don't change the underlying system of terry 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:25.080 industrial complex and the system of a permanent war. That's 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.800 it for today's Woke a f Daily podcast. To hear 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.520 more from today's show, including my full interview with David Vine, 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.520 support me on Patreon at patreon dot com Slash Woke 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.600 AF Power to the people and to all the people. Power, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.080 get woke and stay woke as fuck.