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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod

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Speaker 1: stream studios here in Times Square. You know, folks, it

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Speaker 1: has been another extraordinary week in America, and what we

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Speaker 1: know now with just a couple of days into September,

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Speaker 1: is that children at a very high rate are contracting

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to wrap their minds around this. In

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Speaker 1: a one week span, two hundred and fifty thousand kids

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Speaker 1: across the country contracted COVID nineteen. Now, while hospitalizations of

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Speaker 1: these young people remains low, it is in fact surging

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Speaker 1: where before in twenty twenty with the alpha variant we

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Speaker 1: were told right and again, I am not putting any

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Speaker 1: blame on scientists or doctors. They are learning as they

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Speaker 1: are going and it requires all of us to be

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Speaker 1: intellectually nimble right to adapt to information that we are

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Speaker 1: getting and move with that new information. With the alpha variant,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, we were told that children were really

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Speaker 1: not susceptible, that they were fine, and they had the

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Speaker 1: immune systems to be able to fight off COVID. Well,

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Speaker 1: push back now push forward, I should say, a year later,

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Speaker 1: and we were in an entirely different place with an

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Speaker 1: entirely new variant. And right now they are roughly a

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Speaker 1: little over two thousand children across the country that are hospitalized,

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Speaker 1: and you were hearing from pediatric doctors telling us that

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Speaker 1: children's hospitals are getting to capacity which they've never seen.

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Speaker 1: And what we know to be true is this is

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Speaker 1: that when we are dealing with hospitals that are at

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Speaker 1: being treated. So what does that say about this kind

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Speaker 1: of domino effect that is happening with our healthcare right

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Speaker 1: now as it pertains to kids. Something else is very notable,

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Speaker 1: and it is the constant. I got to tell you this.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly troubling to me that we are having just

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Speaker 1: a couple of days since school has begun across the

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Speaker 1: country that there's a school in San Antonio, Texas where

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Speaker 1: every kindergarten teacher has contracted COVID. And get this, the

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Speaker 1: school did not alert parents to that fact. And as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the students and the teachers basically

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Speaker 1: the institution to tell them what's why, because they're relying

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Speaker 1: on each other, because they're getting mixed messages. Why are

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Speaker 1: they getting mixed messages? Probably because they live in the

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Speaker 1: fucking state of Texas, where Abbot right, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: the executioner of Texas has decided to not include mass

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Speaker 1: social distancing in schools, to make it so that students

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Speaker 1: without with the fear of losing income if you are

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Speaker 1: sued right or your salaries are caught like death Santis

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Speaker 1: is doing in Florida. Teachers, parents, students are all left

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Speaker 1: incredibly disgusting to me that parents are being put in

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Speaker 1: a situation where, you know, we're basically allowing these governors

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Speaker 1: Folks like I can't imagine the anxiety and the stress

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Speaker 1: And clearly at this place where again we're in Texas,

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Speaker 1: so there are no vaccine mandates, there are no mask mandates,

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Speaker 1: Fucking bullshit, Because if they were really interested in protecting life,

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Speaker 1: Great Lord above. Fucking hypocrisy, And I want Democrats to

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I want these parents right that are concerned

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Speaker 1: this school district because how are you not sending emails

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Speaker 1: Why are these parents finding out through the grape vine

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Speaker 1: kids are coming home. Some of these kids live in

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Speaker 1: intergenerational homes, right, So what does that mean about the

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Speaker 1: safety of the adults in those homes. It is we

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Speaker 1: are at an infuriating place when it comes to COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen because what I fear and what I continue to say,

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Speaker 1: a whole fucking lot about what it is that American

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Speaker 1: school systems are doing completely and totally wrong, folks. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next is my conversation with American University professor David Vine,

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Speaker 1: in this conversation about his new book, The United States

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Speaker 1: of War. It is a third in a trilogy of

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Speaker 1: books about war in peace and our obsession with empire

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Speaker 1: coming up next, folks. I am so excited to welcome

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Speaker 1: the United States of War, which is a provocative examination

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Speaker 1: from today's multi ti trillion dollars decades long wars to

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Speaker 1: the prominence of violence. David you know, we're talking to

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Speaker 1: you at a really interesting time, and obviously your book

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Speaker 1: is incredibly timely with our recent withdrawal from Afghanistan, America's

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Speaker 1: longest war were twenty years we have been fighting alongside

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Speaker 1: type of semblance of democracy. But in that time, what

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Speaker 1: into your book, The United States of War, what were

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Speaker 1: your feelings when you heard about the withdrawal happening, And then, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and whether or not we should have been in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: to begin with? I think those are all the right questions.

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Speaker 1: First thing, thank you, Danielle for having me. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to speak with you. You know, I supported it

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Speaker 1: and support President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan. I think it

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Speaker 1: evacuating upwards of one hundred and fourteen thousand Afghans plus

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Speaker 1: short period of time. But the chaos that a formal

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Speaker 1: withdrawal of most of the US military from Afghanistan did

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Speaker 1: the Taliban. Now, that said, the war should never have

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Speaker 1: supported by large segments of the US population. But it

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Speaker 1: the war was indeed to bring democracy and peace and

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Speaker 1: I think it more appropriately characterized as a massive wealth transit.

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Speaker 1: Robert Reich is just wow that literally of dollars two

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Speaker 1: And this is I think the major effect of the war.

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Speaker 1: In addition to taking the lives of six hundred thousand Afghans,

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Speaker 1: been deployed. These have been fought on a credit card,

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Speaker 1: which is to say that administrations have and congresses behind

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Speaker 1: them have charged the cost of these wars rather than

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Speaker 1: raising taxes, which is how have been fought in the past.

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Speaker 1: We're US citizens fatally the effects of these wars, the

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