Speaker 1: Yeah, you're listening to In the Vets Office with doctor
Speaker 1: Josie Horshak. All right, everybody, welcome to in the Vet's Office.
Speaker 1: I am your host, doctor Josie, and as always, we
Speaker 1: are joined by Shannon.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going going great? How are you this week?
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm always excited for this episode because I feel like
Speaker 1: we have great guests and such great conversation and there's
Speaker 1: always something interesting or funny that happens in the Vet's
Speaker 1: Office and you just still don't know what goes on
Speaker 1: behind closed doors when you take your pets in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like you have had a lot
Speaker 3: of interesting stuff happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was reflecting this week on what case to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, this isn't really a case.
Speaker 1: It's more of an observation, okay, that I've had. And
Speaker 1: when I as many of you know, I was working
Speaker 1: in downtown Chicago for almost five years and I really
Speaker 1: prided myself on being very efficient in and out of
Speaker 1: my exams, a throw of course, but never behind, never
Speaker 1: making owners weight. And I have found that since moving
Speaker 1: to Nashville, I'm always like three to four minutes behind
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why is this happening? And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with like the
Speaker 1: demeanor of the owners coming from the big city to
Speaker 1: now being you know, in the South in Nashville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little more laid back, a little more laid back.
Speaker 1: And then also just like there's just more conversation. So
Speaker 1: for example, if a pet is coming into the exam
Speaker 1: room in Chicago, the owner would be like, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: here for rabies de simper parva lepto. I've got a
Speaker 1: meeting in four minutes, Like can you get me in
Speaker 1: and out? And I'm like, you got this, Linda, I
Speaker 1: got you girl, Like I'm going to get you in
Speaker 1: and out so fast. And now it's like, well, Fliffy
Speaker 1: likes to watch Animal Planet. Sometimes he's scared of the
Speaker 1: flask water and he likes to go in the yard,
Speaker 1: but not when it's raining.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to get his toes wet. And so
Speaker 3: I find that. I'm just like and.
Speaker 2: You're like, why are you here?
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait a second, what do we do?
Speaker 1: No, I'm confused, And we're talking about fly swatters and
Speaker 1: an animal Planet, which I love, I adore. I think
Speaker 1: it's amazing because I get to learn so much about
Speaker 1: my clients now, Like I learn about their children and
Speaker 1: their parents and their significant other. Like there's just some
Speaker 1: like this added conversation piece.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that Southern hospitality. It really is.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that you've had a lot of
Speaker 1: your clients be a part of the podcast because you've
Speaker 1: actually developed relationships with them. Yes, and that's before in Downtown,
Speaker 1: which I don't fault them at all, but they're like
Speaker 1: go go, go go. So now it's just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: like this is great. Like do I need to know
Speaker 1: that Fluffy scared of fly swatters?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't, Like that's not going to change when I
Speaker 1: do medically, but I do, deep down really.
Speaker 3: Love the added details.
Speaker 1: It's pretty great not to pull a fly swatter out
Speaker 1: if Fluffy is coming in there you go, which you
Speaker 1: might not have known that about a Chicago patient exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I know. I know my pets, I know their their loves,
Speaker 2: their hates, everything, so hilarious.
Speaker 1: I think it is true though, Like I come from
Speaker 1: Canada and like I have noticed that been in like
Speaker 1: meetings and stuff like in Toronto is like everyone is
Speaker 1: like in a rush constantly and like, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are people in Nashville and Tennessee that are like that too,
Speaker 1: but I think there is such a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a like building a relationship while also in you know,
Speaker 1: contact with someone. Yeah, and they'll even be to me
Speaker 1: the like how are you. I'm like, oh, you're talking
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: You're like, thank you? How am I? I don't know how.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no one's ever asked me that before.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, just yeah, coming down here was
Speaker 1: It's a cultural difference and I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I noticed that too with like our horse
Speaker 1: vet that we had come out to our farm here.
Speaker 3: I love doctor Meghan, like my our vet.
Speaker 1: She's great and like we would hang out and have
Speaker 1: a coffee, and I'm like I would never do that
Speaker 1: when I.
Speaker 3: Was back home, just get to shoot the shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they would come in, give the horse like
Speaker 1: a you know, their vaccines, and then be gone. Like
Speaker 1: doctor Meghan and I were like hanging out. It might
Speaker 1: need to make my appointment times a little longer, but
Speaker 1: I'm here for it that maybe just make it a
Speaker 1: little bit of an adjustment. Yeah, yeah, here for it.
Speaker 1: So that you can talk about Fluffy.
Speaker 3: Fluffy and his loves and hates. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got some great questions this week.
Speaker 1: I actually got some from some listeners, so this was
Speaker 1: for you, Doctor Josie. My dog is so itchy. She's
Speaker 1: scratching at her ears and armpits, licking her paws. I'm
Speaker 1: giving her zertech daily, but it doesn't seem to be helping.
Speaker 3: What do I do? That is a very good question.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to do an entire episode on allergies
Speaker 1: in our pets because I need a whole hour to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But what it makes me think is
Speaker 1: a she probably has allergies, whether it's seasonal, environmental, food allergy,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. I'd have to see her and
Speaker 1: we'd have to talk about it. But a lot of
Speaker 1: the times those over the counter anahistamines do not cut
Speaker 1: it for these dogs, and so what I would recommend
Speaker 1: is bring her into your vet. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when they do have allergies, they can get a secondary
Speaker 1: skin infection. So their skin is already you know, angry
Speaker 1: because they're allergic right now. They can get a bacterial
Speaker 1: or yeast infection on top of that. So we'll treat
Speaker 1: that skin infection if they have one, and then we
Speaker 1: have some really great prescription medications to help control the itch,
Speaker 1: one of them being Sido Point.
Speaker 3: It's an injection that I really like.
Speaker 1: And then if we can get to the bottom of
Speaker 1: what they're allergic to, then great, we're treating the underlying issue.
Speaker 1: So sounds like allergies, you should probably go to the vet.
Speaker 2: I help that helps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dealt with that all the time with our
Speaker 3: friend Gie.
Speaker 1: She was constantly going through like allergy cycles and it
Speaker 1: actually the main cause was her food mm hmm yep,
Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of trial and error just
Speaker 1: figured it out over time. But yeah, she ended up
Speaker 1: on like the hypoallergenic. I would tell owners every time
Speaker 1: we even start an allergy conversation, I say, this is
Speaker 1: far and away the least favorite.
Speaker 3: Thing I enjoy working up in animals.
Speaker 1: It is so frustrating because you kind of have to
Speaker 1: go through some trial and air and owners want like
Speaker 1: an overnight fix, and there's just there just isn't one,
Speaker 1: So we kind of all have to be on the
Speaker 1: same page. And like I said, I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: whole episode about it, so stay tuned. I can't wait,
Speaker 1: all right, next one, Doctor Josie. This may be a
Speaker 1: dumb question. There's never a dumb question. But I've only
Speaker 1: ever had male dogs. What does it mean to spae
Speaker 1: an animal? I don't think this is a dumb question
Speaker 1: at all. I think a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: how just how involved a spae procedure is. So a
Speaker 1: spe is for a female animal really cats and dogs,
Speaker 1: and then a neuter is for a male. Neuter easy psy,
Speaker 1: You take the testicles out. You don't have to go
Speaker 1: in through that body wall. Now, as spae, their reproductive
Speaker 1: tract lies inside their abdomen. So just like when a
Speaker 1: woman gets a C section, we cut through those tummy
Speaker 1: muscles and we take out both ovaries and their uterus.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a oh wow, I did not know that.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, it's a big surgery. It's a huge surgery.
Speaker 2: So it is.
Speaker 1: And it's not to say we shouldn't do it. We
Speaker 1: absolutely should, but it's important to know, like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is a pretty involved, slash somewhat invasive procedure and postop
Speaker 1: they really need to be arrested and closely monitored because
Speaker 1: it is such a you know, a big procedure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like female dogs that I've had, they definitely were
Speaker 1: not taking it easy as they probably should have been. Yes,
Speaker 1: I say, like really the first ten days, especially like
Speaker 1: super strictly arrested. Most of the dogs that were spaying
Speaker 1: and neutering are like parcouring off the walls because they're
Speaker 1: young and excited. Anyways, So tell your vet that and
Speaker 1: they can give you a little something to take the
Speaker 1: edge off at home and keep them calm.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, good deal?
Speaker 1: All right, Well those are our questions for this week,
Speaker 1: and don't forget you guys can submit your questions too
Speaker 1: if you want to ask doctor Josie something.
Speaker 3: There's no dumb questions. And who do we have joining
Speaker 3: us today? This week? We have Taylor Lawan.
Speaker 1: She is the wife of Taylor Lawan, who was a
Speaker 1: former offensive LINEMSS for the Tennessee Titans. He is now
Speaker 1: at one of the hosts of Barstools Busting with the
Speaker 1: Boys podcasts. Yep, I heard of that, and Taylan and
Speaker 1: her family live here in Nashville. She's always been a
Speaker 1: big animal advocate and now they have a decent amount
Speaker 1: of land and they're really kind of creating their own farm,
Speaker 1: and so I'm excited to hear how it's gone from
Speaker 1: just being a dog owner to like owning an entire
Speaker 1: farmful of animals. So amazing, all right, Taylor Lawan, we
Speaker 1: are so excited. I'm excited because I at some point
Speaker 1: we are going to have a full on farm with
Speaker 1: goats and chickens and cows and everything.
Speaker 3: So I'll hopefully learn some tips.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will. All right,
Speaker 1: Welcome to in the Vets office, Taylor Lawan.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here with Akira.
Speaker 1: I know we've got Missakira here. She We're gonna dive
Speaker 1: into all about Akira. But she is your husky that
Speaker 1: you've had since you were eighteen. Yeah, that's a long time.
Speaker 3: Not to age you, but I no, she ages me.
Speaker 2: That's a long time. Yeah. So she's twelve. I turned
Speaker 2: thirty this year, so that's how I obviously keep track.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: She's actually one of my patients, and she's one of
Speaker 1: the very, very best. She's so sweet and you would
Speaker 1: never know she's thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she's turned thirteen this year. Yeah, almost thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sozy she has she's my senior dog. So she hasn't
Speaker 2: left my house in a long time unless I take
Speaker 2: her for a drive. So she's probably like, what are
Speaker 2: we doing? Why are we here?
Speaker 3: Like this is a weird outing for sure? What are
Speaker 3: these bright lights?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Well, well, I'm glad she's here today.
Speaker 1: Taylan and I actually met at a Wags event and
Speaker 1: bonded over horses. And for those of you that don't
Speaker 1: follow Tailan, I love your account because I feel like
Speaker 1: all the things you post are just like so aesthetically
Speaker 1: pleasing and wholesome. You're like making sour dough, You've got chickens,
Speaker 1: and I guess, like you know, for those of us
Speaker 1: that are just looking from the outside in, it looks
Speaker 1: so beautiful. But I'm sure it's a lot of work
Speaker 1: because you basically have your own little farm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like it. I think it's a lot of
Speaker 2: work for those moments, you know, right, it's like those
Speaker 2: moments that I capture because it's usually when I'm like
Speaker 2: like this is like I always treat my Instagram like
Speaker 2: it's a scrap book.
Speaker 3: Oh this is amazing.
Speaker 2: That's why she's trying to get my attention.
Speaker 3: Akira has taken a poop.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, she really doesn't bother me unless
Speaker 2: she has to go outside. That's why she's trying to
Speaker 2: get attention.
Speaker 3: That's okay, this is our first poop of the pot.
Speaker 1: Guess Okay, we're gonna take a brief intermission so that
Speaker 1: we can clean up the little poop.
Speaker 3: No gets she's left behind, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, We're back from our brief intermission of cleaning
Speaker 1: up at Caraspoo. I was like, you know what, Taylor,
Speaker 1: this is a great bow movement. Like this is solid,
Speaker 1: good consistency, nice and healthy. Yeah, we got no concerns,
Speaker 1: no concern great shape for her age. Actually we were
Speaker 1: just discussing her age. Yeah, very consistent bow movements. Anyways, Okay,
Speaker 1: so back to your your little farm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I have always wanted a farm, and
Speaker 2: I grew up on a cattle ranch, but I mostly
Speaker 2: grew up outside outside, So I grew up in Canada
Speaker 2: and my all, my my grandparents and my mom and everybody.
Speaker 2: We've always had a big heart for animals, and when
Speaker 2: I moved to Nashville, that was kind of always the goal.
Speaker 2: I remember, even when I first moved out into a
Speaker 2: place that was not allowed having chickens. I got chickens
Speaker 2: and I put them in a garage, thinking that would
Speaker 2: be fine. Of course, they destroyed that garage. It took
Speaker 2: me forever clean. So it's always been a goal of mine.
Speaker 2: So me and my husband we built the house that
Speaker 2: we live in now, and one of the first things
Speaker 2: I did was get a chicken coop. Okay, and I
Speaker 2: knew chickens is going to be the first thing, just
Speaker 2: it seemed detainable. Yeah, And when COVID happened, I actually
Speaker 2: came to realize that I had I can't do anything for.
Speaker 3: Myself, Okay.
Speaker 2: When I was stuck in my house, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm really dependent on everything, you know and everyone.
Speaker 2: So when things started shutting down, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I want to be more prepared next time, just to
Speaker 2: have you know, more things at home, and you know,
Speaker 2: learn how to garden and learn how to maintain animals
Speaker 2: that will like work for me and all the things.
Speaker 2: So I got chickens. And then getting chickens, you kind
Speaker 2: of like, once you get them, you start learning them. Yeah. Hey,
Speaker 2: once I got chickens, I started learning them and started
Speaker 2: getting like little routines. Okay, so you don't really know
Speaker 2: until you get them, you know. Well I didn't. I
Speaker 2: yea did very learn as you go.
Speaker 1: Most people moved to Tennessee and they're like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get a chicken. I just feel like it like
Speaker 1: comes one part of the territory and they don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, and so once you get like we
Speaker 2: got a good routine in the automatic waters and you know,
Speaker 2: and it's an excuse to get me outside every day.
Speaker 3: How many chickens do you have right now?
Speaker 2: I have twelve?
Speaker 3: And are any of them roosters? Are they all?
Speaker 2: You're not a lot of roosters? Okay, yeah, so I
Speaker 2: don't even know. Yeah, you're not well within the city
Speaker 2: limits that I'm in.
Speaker 3: You're not allowed roosters because they make noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Okay, so you're not allowed of roosters. We've
Speaker 2: got four parcels of land kind of conjoined, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how many chickens we have. And then we had ducks,
Speaker 2: but for some reason we have We're in the city,
Speaker 2: we're not too far away. But the predators are insane.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is something that when I moved here from
Speaker 3: downtown Chicago. I was shocked. Yeah, bobcats.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we have a we have a I mean
Speaker 2: the land we're on too, is like really historical. We've
Speaker 2: got a graveyard and we've got an old house, so
Speaker 2: it's a lot of history on it and a lot
Speaker 2: of it's untouched. Most of it's untouched, and I have
Speaker 2: to assume that's where they've all lived within the city.
Speaker 2: That's my story, I tell myself because it's shocking to me.
Speaker 2: But like at one in the afternoon, they'll just be
Speaker 2: a bobcat walking around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, Yeah, I was on a walk with
Speaker 1: my sister and a bobcat went in front of us.
Speaker 2: She's like, what the is going on? Yeah, She's like,
Speaker 2: do they travel in packs? I'm like no, I just
Speaker 2: wanted to Yeah, and it was huge. I was like,
Speaker 2: you've probably lived here this whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're big.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I lost all my ducks, all four of them.
Speaker 2: I guess a duck is a delicacy. I'm assuming. I
Speaker 2: know that I can't. I'm assuming because they just would
Speaker 2: go right past the chicken straight.
Speaker 3: To the duck. Wow.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I thought that was too. I think that
Speaker 2: that well. At least two out of four of those
Speaker 2: was for sure. Now, just the way that we found
Speaker 2: the duck, I was like, this is now wow. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was Another thing is learning predators. You know, you
Speaker 2: see all these pictures of the chickens running around free,
Speaker 2: and you think it's all, you know, storybook, but no,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's also a mystery, like studying the blood splatter exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this was taken, so that must mean.
Speaker 2: But one of the main reasons I did this was
Speaker 2: for my kids. We live in a really blessed lifestyle,
Speaker 2: and you know, my kids have chores, and my kids
Speaker 2: have duties that they have to do, and they have
Speaker 2: to take care of something other than themselves, and so
Speaker 2: that's where kind of chickens came into. And you know,
Speaker 2: my oldest daughter, her job is getting the eggs every day,
Speaker 2: and I don't get put them in charge of doing
Speaker 2: the chickens because this is also a learning group. Cleaning
Speaker 2: them is because I didn't know you're supposed to wear
Speaker 2: like a mask or like a respirator. I got myself
Speaker 2: so sick, really like or your symptoms. I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I started the new Avian flu.
Speaker 3: It's not Okay, you were patient zero.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: So it's like like stomach or like respiratory.
Speaker 2: Wow, hardcore respiratory.
Speaker 3: Okay, do that as things you just wouldn't know. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I would never wear a respirator.
Speaker 2: They don't look cleaning my own chicken coop just a
Speaker 2: real home setter. Now yeah, no, I'm like I can't
Speaker 2: and you were dying in your bed. Okay, yeah, good
Speaker 2: to know. So they don't clean out the coop. So
Speaker 2: they don't clean out the coop. And then after chickens,
Speaker 2: we got bunnies, and bunny seemed like an easier thing
Speaker 2: for the kids to cuddle with.
Speaker 1: The thing I do know about bunnies is they they
Speaker 1: even look at them the wrong way and they're a goner.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've lost a couple bunnies from heart attacks usually. Yeah. Literally,
Speaker 2: they're like, bring up to the bed. They're like just
Speaker 2: kind of happens. Yeah, what do you mean if a
Speaker 2: branch fell too loud, or if the boil changed too fast,
Speaker 2: or if you move them out of their because I
Speaker 2: switched habitats like that' stress of that, we'll just kill
Speaker 2: them to die. And so kind of like what we
Speaker 2: were talking about beforehand, though, is living on the farm
Speaker 2: kind of like I had grown up too, is like
Speaker 2: your in first introductory to death is with an animal,
Speaker 2: which I think is such a blessing because they understand
Speaker 2: forever through like a bunny or through a chicken, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's a hard concept for even adults to understand.
Speaker 2: And so you know, the few months. Honestly, I have
Speaker 2: two really sensitive daughters, especially one the few months of
Speaker 2: the night time cries because their chicken didn't come home,
Speaker 2: or when's the chicken kind of come back because they
Speaker 2: miss them, or you know, stuff like that. Like those
Speaker 2: are easier conversations to have. And we just recently lost
Speaker 2: my grandmother last October, and that's I'm actually thankful for
Speaker 2: the conversations we had that led up to that, because
Speaker 2: I think it would have been even harder to wrap
Speaker 2: their head around when it comes to the concept of
Speaker 2: like a person who knows in their lives rather than
Speaker 2: an animal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had talked about this before, and that was
Speaker 1: really eye opening for me. I feel like, a yes,
Speaker 1: having them do tours and teaching them the value of
Speaker 1: work is really important. But also I never thought about
Speaker 1: the concept of life and death. Oh yeah, and that
Speaker 1: is like such a beautiful thing to be able to
Speaker 1: teach your children. It is, and like we're important.
Speaker 2: We are meat eaters in our house, we're animal lovers,
Speaker 2: which we are meat eaters. And understanding that concept too
Speaker 2: young and having that conversation because I remember just being
Speaker 2: absolutely floored when I found out that I've eaten a
Speaker 2: cow when I was like twelve. I was maybe not so,
Speaker 2: but older than I should have been to know that,
Speaker 2: like I was, you know, questioning everything. And so I've
Speaker 2: kind of introduced that concept to my kids just to
Speaker 2: let them stomach it and at the end of the
Speaker 2: day they can make their own choices as they get
Speaker 2: older and stuff like that. But it comes with so
Speaker 2: many life lessons. Living amongst animals in general comes with
Speaker 2: life lessons, I don't agree. More so having the farm that's,
Speaker 2: you know, the main focus. Most of the animals we
Speaker 2: have come with the purpose. The bunnies are more pets.
Speaker 2: The bees we have for honey and to also because obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, bee populations are constantly plummeting, so the land
Speaker 2: we had, I wanted to try to get some bees
Speaker 2: out there and we get beautiful honey with it, and
Speaker 2: then the oats. We had big plans for the cons
Speaker 2: but we went to a livestock barn, which learning curve.
Speaker 3: Yep, we're going to add that right up there with
Speaker 3: the chicken poop cleaning.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the concept. I thought, you know, you
Speaker 2: go there and it's all fine and dandy, but it's
Speaker 2: actually pretty shell shocking experience for somebody who's a little
Speaker 2: bit of an animal advocate. Because again, there's no there's
Speaker 2: never judgment from me in this aspect, especially with true
Speaker 2: farmers who make a living out of things, because my
Speaker 2: experience and what my environment, what I've been exposed to
Speaker 2: is different than like their lifestyle and their experience and
Speaker 2: their means to a living. But for me to come
Speaker 2: in and see all these animals crammed in and you know,
Speaker 2: kind of on top of each other, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we got to buy these alls.
Speaker 3: We will take them all exactly.
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of shocking to me. But
Speaker 2: the worst part of it is, I guess, because because
Speaker 2: they are so jam packed and they're kind of breathing
Speaker 2: on top of each other, if there's a sick animal,
Speaker 2: it kind of spreads like wildfire in there. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's a run. So it is a risk that I
Speaker 2: guess I took unknowingly at the time. And I got
Speaker 2: a lot of sick goats and it was pretty touch
Speaker 2: and go for a while there. We ended up getting
Speaker 2: five at the auction and then I got four more
Speaker 2: and ended up giving them care end up giving them
Speaker 2: to uh my nanny's brother and he kept them and
Speaker 2: one of his died that night. Yeah, and so uh
Speaker 2: you know, again, in this world, a lot of times
Speaker 2: it's like you can kind of let it run its course,
Speaker 2: like you know, the amount of money yield to save
Speaker 2: trying to save them. You could get five new goats,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you don't understand what this is like,
Speaker 2: you don't get it. You don't get it. And we're
Speaker 2: going to save these goats. Yeah, so we started with
Speaker 2: five and now we have four because just a few
Speaker 2: months ago we lost haw because we had yeen Haw,
Speaker 2: two little Nigerian dwarf ones. They actually passed away from
Speaker 2: goat herpes, which I didn't know was a thing.
Speaker 1: Learning that's that's taking me back to my that school boards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember when.
Speaker 2: Because I guess when a livestock animal passes away you
Speaker 2: like send the body, yes to like a lab, but
Speaker 2: that investigates it to make sure it can't go across. Ye. Learning,
Speaker 2: All of this is learning.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I sent it in and they called and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just so you know, it's not zoo zo zoonotics. Zoonotics
Speaker 2: can't catch it from your animal, right, And I was like,
Speaker 2: so that was an option, like never crossed my mind
Speaker 2: one time that I think that I could get a
Speaker 2: disease from these things. And so anyways, they're like, it's
Speaker 2: not too zoonotic, yep, so you'll be fine, But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's got herpes. They got it from
Speaker 2: a sheep. They could get it from a sheep, but
Speaker 2: they can't get it from each other. But there's no
Speaker 2: telling if they all have.
Speaker 1: It once they're infected. If they're infected, they have it
Speaker 1: for life and it lays latent and then it'll flare
Speaker 1: up like just randomly and they can you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, die from it, and so you're kind of
Speaker 1: just like waiting to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like at this time, we're just trying to give
Speaker 2: them the best life that they can have, and they
Speaker 2: live out there, and which led me into getting my
Speaker 2: fourth dog, which is Bear.
Speaker 3: See how this happened? Just now we need another it's.
Speaker 2: A snowball effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tell me about Bear.
Speaker 2: So Bear is my great Pyrenees. I got him from Dunlap, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: His mom and dad and grandpa and grandma and all
Speaker 2: of them were all livestock animals. He grew up with
Speaker 2: goats and stuff until I got him at six months old.
Speaker 2: And he's an angel.
Speaker 3: They're the best.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I didn't realize what an incredible
Speaker 2: breed they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They're very sweet, yeah.
Speaker 2: And calm and just like his name was Arthur when
Speaker 2: we first got him. Yes, his name was Arthur when
Speaker 2: we first got him. But he like runs like a bear,
Speaker 2: kind of like outwardly pause it, and so we're like,
Speaker 2: we just kept calling him bear, like there's our bear.
Speaker 2: So now his name is Bear. But he's my first
Speaker 2: outdoor dog. And I remember we were talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's been It can be controversial, it is. I had.
Speaker 2: I had animal control called on me before this last
Speaker 2: cold snap, which made me question my existence. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: have I gone too far? Like I'm like, am I
Speaker 2: doing the right thing? Like is this the okay to do,
Speaker 2: like is he okay? Like am I putting this dog
Speaker 2: in danger? Like you know, I advocate and I stick
Speaker 2: up for and I try to support animal advocacy, and
Speaker 2: I have animal control called on me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, wait a second, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like like I it really kind of stunted me. And
Speaker 2: I mean I have two beautiful shelters, and like, I
Speaker 2: mean I overcompensate for Bear all the time, Like I
Speaker 2: bring them toys and bones, and I groom them and
Speaker 2: I bath them, and I, you know, spend as much
Speaker 2: time as I can with him. He's really spoiled with you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but yeah, that that shook me to my core.
Speaker 2: But you know, then you go and I talk to
Speaker 2: the people that are have done it before, and they're like,
Speaker 2: this is what he's spread to do. And to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, like there's times where I'll sit back
Speaker 2: and watch him and it kind of was the first
Speaker 2: time I've ever seen an animal kind of take the
Speaker 2: lead in their own life, if that makes sense, and
Speaker 2: kind of do what they're bred to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, he
Speaker 3: has a job, job to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he loves it, like he really loves his job,
Speaker 2: and so that's what kind of brings me back home,
Speaker 2: you know, if I kind of let go of that
Speaker 2: potential judgment that I have, because there's times that there's
Speaker 2: times that I have neighbors come over and they'll ask
Speaker 2: me about him, like is he okay? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: he doesn't feel this cold like my goats. See that
Speaker 2: little shivering guy, Like that's why I'm stacking the straw
Speaker 2: up to hear. That's another thing of people think you're
Speaker 2: getting goats when it comes to these weather extremes. Like
Speaker 2: I'm running water out five times a day because their
Speaker 2: water keeps freezing. I'm, you know, like I'm constantly having
Speaker 2: to make sure that they got enough heat. But you
Speaker 2: can't bring heat lamps because if you bring heat lamps
Speaker 2: then it makes some shed their winter coat and then
Speaker 2: they're really unprepared if anything goes wrong with the heat lamp.
Speaker 3: It cannot be too cold, they cannot be too hot.
Speaker 2: You kind of have to just like help them, but
Speaker 2: like don't nurture them too much, right, actually descend for themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it's just been a wild ride to you, just a.
Speaker 3: Lot of learning across the board.
Speaker 1: It's interesting though with Bear, like I think about all
Speaker 1: the other I mean, I'm sure the majority of our
Speaker 1: listeners and you and I include it with our dogs.
Speaker 1: Our dogs like live like better than most humans. They're pampered.
Speaker 1: But there are so many cultures and other countries where like,
Speaker 1: these animals have a job and they're happy doing their job,
Speaker 1: I think, And so as long as they have access
Speaker 1: to shelter, food, water, like all the things that you're providing,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that I'm sure Bear has a
Speaker 1: beautiful life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself. My husband keeps
Speaker 2: being like, come down, yeah, yeah, you're fine. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 2: that's what we kind of keep telling ourselves too. Like
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, dogs were domesticated for
Speaker 2: a reason, you know, And like that's another argument that
Speaker 2: you always hear, Like dogs were domesticated for a reason,
Speaker 2: and because in the lane of survival, we offered each
Speaker 2: other something. I mean, that's what created that bond, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's like you and with horses, yeah, and
Speaker 2: with horses, that's kind of how we did it. And
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we obviously can take advantage of that
Speaker 2: as humans. And you know, that's where neglect comes in.
Speaker 2: But neglect has to be present, and there's no neglect here, right,
Speaker 2: and that's what I have to kind of remind myself of.
Speaker 3: Right, You're like, but should I get him Egyptian cotton?
Speaker 2: I'm like, does he mean like a king sized bed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's funny. Okay, so we've got bear mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Next on the dock is Smoke.
Speaker 2: Smoke was my second husky, which was supposed to be
Speaker 2: like a cure's protege.
Speaker 3: Okay, and Akira was like, no, thank you, no, and.
Speaker 2: It went actually south fast. Akira said no thank you
Speaker 2: without the thank you, just said no and did not
Speaker 2: like smoke, and Smoke really wanted to like a Kira.
Speaker 2: And Akira said, I'm gonna sit in my corner and
Speaker 2: you can have whatever you want, but not nowhere near me.
Speaker 3: Nowhere near you?
Speaker 2: Oh her Okay, yeah, yeah, she's very protective of me,
Speaker 2: but now in her old age, Like if she was
Speaker 2: in her prime, I think my house would be fight club.
Speaker 3: Really do, then you'd really have animals on you.
Speaker 2: Because she she came to me, really, she had her
Speaker 2: issues when she came to me, and we've come a
Speaker 2: long way. But she's not a big fan of dogs,
Speaker 2: so I but she liked huskies, like always at the
Speaker 2: dog park, loved huskies. So you're like, well, we'll get
Speaker 2: you one, and she said that's them at the park.
Speaker 2: She's like, you really read the whole room long. But anyways,
Speaker 2: Smoke came in. Smoke's a great dog. She's very much
Speaker 2: typical husky, like a curra is like unique in her
Speaker 2: own way. Smoke is like loud, talks to twenty four seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like all of the things husky. If you looked up
Speaker 2: the definition I think would be her genuine face, like
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 3: Like the textbook poster child she is. I feel like
Speaker 3: people don't.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because so many people I hear like in
Speaker 1: the city, you want to get a husky, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I wouldn't do that. No. They have very high energy,
Speaker 3: very talkative.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shed more than you could ever imagine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they're smart. And I always say, like husky in
Speaker 2: my experience, like with a dog wants to serve you
Speaker 2: in some ways, like wants to make you happy, or
Speaker 2: like wants to like bond with you and stuggle with you.
Speaker 2: Huskis are like I'll live with you and we'll be roommates.
Speaker 2: But you show me respect, yeah, and I'll show you.
Speaker 3: Respect, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you exactly what I want to give you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you can try.
Speaker 3: But like I got this, yeah exactly. That's actually a
Speaker 3: very cat like too. Cats are kind of like.
Speaker 2: That, very cat like. Cuties are very cat like. Everyone
Speaker 2: jokes around that a cure is a cat. A Kira
Speaker 2: is gonna sniff every inch of this room. By the way,
Speaker 2: she will not settle until she knows everything that's going on.
Speaker 2: Then she'll lay down. She's very cat like us, but
Speaker 2: calmer like Curreas. Never chewed anything, so for one shoe
Speaker 2: of my best friends, I don't think she'll ever forgive before.
Speaker 3: If you're listening, we're sorry, so sorry.
Speaker 2: But she never chewed anything, never really dug she At
Speaker 2: the time when I had her, we lived like gypsies
Speaker 2: because I was eighteen. But anyways, we lived with a
Speaker 2: lot of land, so there'd be times where I just
Speaker 2: let her run, like we're in the middle of nowhere Alberta, Canada,
Speaker 2: if anybody know what that means, Like literally it's so flat,
Speaker 2: I could probably see her run like tundra. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And so she lived like a little wolf out there.
Speaker 2: Like she just would run for hours and then come
Speaker 2: home and sometimes she'd catch a.
Speaker 3: Bird some and that's what they need.
Speaker 1: I feel like being like cooped up in an apartment
Speaker 1: or in the city like that can just be really
Speaker 1: hard for them.
Speaker 2: Smoke is my biggest investment, really enough training I've had
Speaker 2: to spend on Smoky to be like a dog is
Speaker 2: insane to the point where like my husband's like, we
Speaker 2: can ever do another husky because of it, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Well we will. She just ruined it for you guys.
Speaker 2: Like little do you know this is not my last reusky?
Speaker 2: That's funny, But no, Akira, I think was just the
Speaker 2: perfect recipe and just how she was born. She was
Speaker 2: one of those unique ones. Fact was it called factory
Speaker 2: setting dogs?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She just came perfectly for the environment that she
Speaker 2: was in.
Speaker 1: I love the story about Jake. Jake for everyone listening.
Speaker 1: Jake was a Wags and Walks puppy and I met him.
Speaker 1: He came in for his intake exam with me, and
Speaker 1: he came with his sister. Her name was Josie. Funny enough,
Speaker 1: and they were these big like maybe the biggest yellow
Speaker 1: lab puppies I've ever seen, like huge belly, probably full
Speaker 1: of worms, and they were the Actually I can guarantee
Speaker 1: you they were because I ran their feecals on them
Speaker 1: and I they were left in one of our exam rooms.
Speaker 1: Whoever had transferred them or transported them to the hospital
Speaker 1: had to go out and park their car. And I'm
Speaker 1: going in to go look at Jake and Josie and
Speaker 1: I like get the smell and I'm like, this isn't good.
Speaker 1: And then I opened the door and Jake's just sitting
Speaker 1: there with like his stanky leg, his big belly's out
Speaker 1: and he's just staring at me and there's like ten
Speaker 1: piles of diarrhea and he's like suck And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like Jake. I mean, if Jake eats
Speaker 2: like a crumb on the ground, his stomach's ract. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jake has just had stomach juice. He said, g alreadya
Speaker 2: three times. We don't know how very lab of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he just eats everything anything that falls on
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Jake was our foster fail. He was the second
Speaker 2: time we've ever fostered with wags. And I was you know,
Speaker 2: very content with the animals we had, and my husband
Speaker 2: was never been a fan of one me all getting
Speaker 2: all the period. And secondly like even fostering. He's like,
Speaker 2: we don't need more responsibility at this point, and like
Speaker 2: we're doing this again. We're doing it. And so I
Speaker 2: brought Jake home and him and Jake started a bond.
Speaker 2: There's not very many boys in my house. We are
Speaker 2: very feminine, formal between the animals and the children. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do. And so uh, once Jake came in, him
Speaker 2: and my husband really bonded. And Jake is when people
Speaker 2: meet Jake. Someone said it before, they're like someone could
Speaker 2: write a movie about Jake, Like he'd be like a movie.
Speaker 2: People would cry over just watching him because he's so
Speaker 2: sweet and he's so he just wants to be.
Speaker 3: Loved as like a jock with the sensitive jock.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like he's like you look at him and
Speaker 2: he's just on his belly, like like everything about him
Speaker 2: is just like love me and I love you and
Speaker 2: all the things. So he calls him a bag of
Speaker 2: water because when you pick him up, he's just like
Speaker 2: he's just lim. Yeah, he's just a squishy. So one
Speaker 2: day we're supposed to meet and then a potential adopter
Speaker 2: and we went to go do the meeting and our
Speaker 2: assistant had Jake somewhere I can't remember where he was,
Speaker 2: and Taylor came in and he goes, where's Jake, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, you got adopted, like just jerking around
Speaker 2: and my husband started like tearing up, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. I did not see this coming. I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, he's not adopted, he's here, but like,
Speaker 2: are we keeping Jake that? Like, because he never bonds
Speaker 2: with animals like this, Yeah, it's so rare, and so
Speaker 2: I was like, like, we can have the conversation and
Speaker 2: he was like yeah. At the time, he was still
Speaker 2: playing football. So he's like, I'm gone a ton, But
Speaker 2: you know, I really really wanted with Jake and I
Speaker 2: really enjoy him and he's my boy. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: we can do it.
Speaker 1: Are they still like is that he was here today?
Speaker 1: And I was like, who's your favorite?
Speaker 2: He'd be like Jake, Oh, yeah, okay, well Akira. A
Speaker 2: Kira is kind of the just unspoken, like she's the classhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that nobody would ever beat a Cia, right right,
Speaker 2: But Jake is for sure his boy like a son.
Speaker 2: Yeah son, he never had the closest thing. He's getting
Speaker 2: into one of this one. But yeah, he's Jake's person
Speaker 2: is Smoke.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the best thing that we ever did was
Speaker 2: get Jake because a Cure completely rejected Smoke, so Smoke
Speaker 2: was on her own. And then Jake and Smoke bonded.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm recommending that people get three dogs because.
Speaker 3: If you're we're not working out with one, just get five.
Speaker 3: It's fine, that's the motto.
Speaker 2: But it is a lot. Yeah, so Smoke and Jake.
Speaker 2: But again, Smoke was one. Jake was six months right,
Speaker 2: so having puppies grow up together.
Speaker 3: Whoa, it's like the Bash Brothers. It's a lot.
Speaker 2: It still is. But we made a rule and I'd
Speaker 2: recommend it for anybody that no playing in the house,
Speaker 2: but outside they just go absolutely ham So like a
Speaker 2: lot of times I'll ask to go outside just to
Speaker 2: go absolutely insane. Yeah, that's the best we can do.
Speaker 2: Not that they don't try to play in the house, right,
Speaker 2: but that's the kind of like rule because if not,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: It would just be creation.
Speaker 2: I do, Okay, I don't create her, but she Both
Speaker 2: of those are my first created dogs, and I could
Speaker 2: not imagine not.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: I have a shepherd at home and he's young and rambunctious,
Speaker 1: and we have to create him, and it's like the best.
Speaker 3: He likes us creat he does.
Speaker 2: It's like a little bit structure. Yeah, And it's so
Speaker 2: routine for them. They don't know any better, to be honest,
Speaker 2: They just I say go home, and they go home,
Speaker 2: and they go to bed, and.
Speaker 3: It's perfect and your house stays intact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, Between toddlers, dogs, it's just funnies, goats, chickens.
Speaker 2: Wasn't great.
Speaker 1: One thing that we had talked about that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people will be able to connect with
Speaker 1: and really resonate with, is I know how bonded you
Speaker 1: are with Akira, but I feel like just having her
Speaker 1: since you were a teenager and you know you had
Speaker 1: shared with me, like going through some like really hard
Speaker 1: family hardships with you know, family members passing away, and
Speaker 1: like having that bond with her. I feel like so
Speaker 1: many of us bond with our animals because of the
Speaker 1: own traumas that we experience and like the way we
Speaker 1: rely on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was eighteen, and honestly, if anybody who's
Speaker 2: a big animal advocate in their early twenties, I actually
Speaker 2: would say, get a dog. Yes, Like, if you have
Speaker 2: the means for it, it's it'll be the best experience
Speaker 2: you ever have with a dog. I agree, before the
Speaker 2: kids come and the husband comes and all the other
Speaker 2: things come, Like, your dog will just do so much
Speaker 2: for you. But I got a cure at eighteen when
Speaker 2: I had no business getting an honor and I got
Speaker 2: her after my my uncle had committed suicide right after
Speaker 2: my eighteenth birthday and graduation. And then I was kind
Speaker 2: of like it kind of like diff like I had
Speaker 2: a great childhood. My family's incredible, and it was the
Speaker 2: first time I kind of saw the bubble pop, you know,
Speaker 2: especially like you're coming into an adulthood too. There's just
Speaker 2: so much going on, and so at that time in
Speaker 2: my life, it was like, you know, the people who
Speaker 2: were my rocks were really sad, and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I was just like, I kind of think I need
Speaker 2: to leave. Because I came from a small town. I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I need to go away for
Speaker 2: while and go figure out who I am. So I
Speaker 2: moved to Calgary, which is like eight hours away from
Speaker 2: my hometown, and that's where I found her. And right
Speaker 2: right before I found her, my mom's boyfriend, like my
Speaker 2: stepdad of ten years, he committed suicide. Wow, it was
Speaker 2: just back to back. It was crazy. It's almost you know.
Speaker 3: When you're eighteen, like it's hard to process that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he had two sons that were like my
Speaker 2: little brothers that were now gone, you know, because we
Speaker 2: didn't get to see them anymore because of his situation.
Speaker 2: And so I got a Kira and a care kind
Speaker 2: of just fell into my life. And I think that
Speaker 2: like I got a Curio. She was probably six months.
Speaker 2: She didn't come like from the best situation. I don't
Speaker 2: think she had a lot of aggression issues. They I
Speaker 2: never know. It's like I'm thinking, like, oh, they're gonna listen.
Speaker 3: To this, Okay, probably not.
Speaker 2: They called her eat them like they wanted a different
Speaker 2: path for her, okay, you know, like she had like
Speaker 2: a bad to the bone collar on and stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I ended up getting her and we just I
Speaker 2: mean she came everywhere with me, like we would go hiking,
Speaker 2: if I went to I would become a yoga instructor.
Speaker 2: Is the first thing I did after high school. And
Speaker 2: she would like sit on my yoga mat with me,
Speaker 2: and or she'd it was with winter, and I'd make
Speaker 2: a little nest for her, and she'd sit in my
Speaker 2: car while I was in class, and you know, anything
Speaker 2: that happened, she was with me. I never left her
Speaker 2: at home, And I mean, I can't tell you how
Speaker 2: many times I've buried my face into her fur, like
Speaker 2: she's got the world's softest fur. But she was always
Speaker 2: very and even now like a cat like. I love
Speaker 2: that she's facing away from the camera because that's exactly
Speaker 2: where she should be because she doesn't care about people
Speaker 2: very much unless unless she truly bonds with you, and
Speaker 2: then you're almost you feel chosen. Yeah, yeah, so many
Speaker 2: of my friends, like the day that a Kiara passes,
Speaker 2: if I was to through a funeral, they'd be like
Speaker 2: five people, but they would be crying so hard that
Speaker 2: they'd be like an ugly cry.
Speaker 3: Her chosen circle, small circle exactly.
Speaker 2: I think that, and I said this to you that
Speaker 2: I think that when building my foundation up from the
Speaker 2: grief that I was feeling at Kira a Kia was like.
Speaker 3: She was your girl.
Speaker 2: She was a lot of those bricks. Yeah, And I assume,
Speaker 2: especially because when I talk about it, that when she passes,
Speaker 2: I think some of those bricks will fall.
Speaker 3: It's hard.
Speaker 1: I mean being in your early twenties and eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty that's hard enough. And then having you know,
Speaker 1: losing people on top of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're discovering yourself, you know. And so like I
Speaker 2: was never alone, souse, I had a Kira. So like,
Speaker 2: if I want to go for a hike, I could,
Speaker 2: you know, side a Kira, If I want to go
Speaker 2: for a kayak, I could. And she was always down
Speaker 2: for everything, right, That's what I loved about her, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, she moved to Florida with me, then we
Speaker 2: came up to Nashville and she's you know, I always
Speaker 2: had this thing with her that I needed her to
Speaker 2: meet all my kids. Yeah, not that she loved kids,
Speaker 2: She's just really good.
Speaker 3: Like this is about me.
Speaker 2: It was like, you got to meet all my kids
Speaker 2: and me and my husband have been gone to playing
Speaker 2: number three and she's actually like a big part of
Speaker 2: that because she's getting slower and that's been hard for
Speaker 2: me to swallow. Like she lost her eye to cancer
Speaker 2: three four years ago, and that was kind of the
Speaker 2: first Okay, like she's not invincible, you know, like the
Speaker 2: day's coming, and you know the days it's like I have,
Speaker 2: the day is shorter to win. I don't have her
Speaker 2: to win, I did, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: that's around the corner. And so when she lost her
Speaker 2: eye to cancer, that was an eye opening experience. But
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I went through something weird
Speaker 2: and I don't know if anyone would be able to
Speaker 2: relate with this. I carried guilt about it, but I
Speaker 2: found that I avoided Akira for a while.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've had a lot of clients, yeah, not to me.
Speaker 2: And I didn't notice it, but I found that like
Speaker 2: I gotten routine with her, but I didn't like go
Speaker 2: see her or like do things with her. I kind
Speaker 2: of avoided her. And it was because she was aging.
Speaker 3: And I did like a coping mechanism almost yeah.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know I was doing it. And then
Speaker 2: one day I kind of had to like go to
Speaker 2: the terms of like you know, she's gray, she's white,
Speaker 2: she gets up slower, she's different. You know, she's not
Speaker 2: who she was in her prime. And I had a good,
Speaker 2: solid cry about it and then we even good ever
Speaker 2: since we're back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard to they've been, she's been
Speaker 1: with you such a huge part of your life, and
Speaker 1: trying to picture life without her, I'm sure feels impossible.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't remember life before her, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's like majority like my whole adult life, she's been
Speaker 2: in it, you know, and it's like before her, I
Speaker 2: was a kid. Yeah, And so like that's just as
Speaker 2: hard as this grief will be.
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so thankful, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like she walked you through your hardest some
Speaker 1: of your hardest days, I'm sure. And now look at
Speaker 1: this beautiful life you have from when you were eighteen,
Speaker 1: and so she's gotten you to where you are, and
Speaker 1: when it's her time, you know, she'll leave you better
Speaker 1: than she found you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've you know, I've always I've always said I
Speaker 2: don't think a care will ever go until she knows
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe that. I do believe that.
Speaker 1: And I'm and just think that what you said about
Speaker 1: like especially being a woman and not not not for
Speaker 1: the guys out there, but for women like that are
Speaker 1: young and in their twenties, like that relationship you have
Speaker 1: with your dog, you were like, it is the deepest
Speaker 1: bond in the world.
Speaker 3: It's unbeatable.
Speaker 2: And then like I truly believe, and I you know,
Speaker 2: I've asked some people like older, like my grandparents and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I'm like, I believe there's like a
Speaker 2: soul dog that you have in a lifetime. Like I
Speaker 2: love all my dogs, but then there's a dog who's
Speaker 2: like literally a piece of you. And my grandparents are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was this dog for me or that dog for me.
Speaker 2: And I think that the the catch of this is
Speaker 2: I think she came to me exactly when I needed her,
Speaker 2: cause I was going through really traumatic events in my life.
Speaker 2: But it's a bummer that, like I have so much
Speaker 2: my life to live without her. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: that's the trade that you kind of make. But she's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent my soul dog. She's a piece of me.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean, even my friends always joke around,
Speaker 2: They're like, I don't know what we're gonna do for
Speaker 2: you and a cure douse. My husband's like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like what we do, Like do we pack the kids
Speaker 2: up and we leave for a bit like, do you
Speaker 2: need to go somewhere? Do I get another dog?
Speaker 3: Like, He's like, I need a roadmap.
Speaker 2: He's like, what's the plan of Actually he's like can
Speaker 2: you do it? Yeah? He's like should I get her stuffed?
Speaker 2: I'm like, please get my dogs.
Speaker 1: We will not be getting her taxidermy to Taylor, Okay,
Speaker 1: rule number.
Speaker 2: One absolutely not. That's a hard noe. So there's just
Speaker 2: a lot to go on. But I mean, again, as
Speaker 2: much as I do joke around and say that, like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to, like I tell my kids too,
Speaker 2: because they're like, what are you gonna do? Like my
Speaker 2: daughter asked me what I'm gonna do when a care
Speaker 2: passes away, And I'm like, Mommy's gonna be different. Mommy
Speaker 2: will be an all black for many miny months exactly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so thankful for her. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: like especially because not everybody gets to have a dog
Speaker 2: till er twelve. Yeah, you know it's like when we're
Speaker 2: still going and you know I always woke Aroundiceick got
Speaker 2: five good years with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, age is just a number, and she like her.
Speaker 1: I can tell you her blood works perfect. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's got many years left, I would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm just you know, I got I'm just
Speaker 2: so lucky with her that when she when she does pass,
Speaker 2: not that I will gree it, but like I have
Speaker 2: more gratitude than anything absolutely for her. So, I mean
Speaker 2: she's the reason why I'm such a crazy dog lady.
Speaker 2: I just keep kidding because you know everything that she's
Speaker 2: done for me.
Speaker 3: She opened can of worm, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: For sure. And she opened up the can of husky worms,
Speaker 2: so which she fooled me. Yeah, she's not like the
Speaker 2: old bait and switch. Yes, I just fostered two huskies
Speaker 2: for weggs, okay, and they're really special. Yeah they give
Speaker 2: a cua vibes to me. Yeah, no, believe me. Even
Speaker 2: my husband was like trade smoke, like.
Speaker 3: Poor sm girl.
Speaker 2: She she's such a good girl now, especially before she
Speaker 2: was a little feral, but now she's amazing, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the investment paid off. Like she's truly she's so special
Speaker 2: and she's my little like bel girl. If I brought
Speaker 2: her here, she'd be like belcrode to me.
Speaker 3: Love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the best. I mean she's a hard time
Speaker 2: because she's got a lot of energy, But I think
Speaker 2: she's the best it would be a big debate in
Speaker 2: the household with my husband. But I think she's a it's.
Speaker 3: All that matters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing I always love to end this podcast
Speaker 1: on a positive note.
Speaker 3: What is something that you guys do? I feel like
Speaker 3: a lot of us.
Speaker 1: When we're at home and no one's watching, Like, is
Speaker 1: there anything that you guys do with your animals? Like
Speaker 1: I have had someone on here that like sings a
Speaker 1: song to her dog, Bobby Bones, like to let his
Speaker 1: dogs out in the middle of the night and like
Speaker 1: run free like anything.
Speaker 3: But you guys do.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'll, I mean we a cure. We
Speaker 2: dress up for every holiday, which is so funny because
Speaker 2: she's the last of them all that would appreciate feeling
Speaker 2: like she probably hates it because to the pictures, like
Speaker 2: the drench she looks so upset. She like dresses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I've put like two teos on her, like I
Speaker 2: put like little Irish caps like.
Speaker 3: That is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got so much of that. But we also
Speaker 2: dance like she'll as much as she's a little like
Speaker 2: stick in the mud at times of their personality, if
Speaker 2: I've got a song and I'm dancing, she'll actually come
Speaker 2: into the kitchen to dance with me. But my husband.
Speaker 3: Daughter's Jake in a way.
Speaker 2: Because Jake is like, even if I'm like sitting here
Speaker 2: and I do like bad if I do that, Jakes
Speaker 2: like if you change your body, like immediately he's away
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, what's going on, stranger. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: Taylor will go put like a mask on or something
Speaker 2: and like go outside in the windows and iron. Poor
Speaker 2: Jigs probably lost. So when he hears of his life,
Speaker 2: but Taylor tells me it's because he's preparing him in
Speaker 2: case there's an intruder. And I'm like, well, okay, I
Speaker 2: guess we learned that Jake's really scared of he is
Speaker 2: not the guard dog. No, we've got other dogs really
Speaker 2: hard to call beer. Yeah exactly. But I mean we're
Speaker 2: always up, We're always up to something with them. But
Speaker 2: that would probably be the little weird nuances we do.
Speaker 1: With funny, like they're just such a part of or
Speaker 1: family and like the antics that you do with them
Speaker 1: at home and no one's watching, You're like, people would
Speaker 1: think we're insane.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 1: Thanks about all your animals. They're so special and I'm
Speaker 1: going to keep watching your farm on Instagram.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Everyone gives Taylor a follow. Her farm looks amazing, her
Speaker 1: animals look amazing. It's at tailing Lawan.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: That was tailing the wan, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: we got to learn so much from her. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep up with her socials and keep
Speaker 1: learning because there are when you like I've had horses
Speaker 1: and dogs, but when you venture out to other farm animals,
Speaker 1: like there is a learning curve with every single one.
Speaker 1: So that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think people think I'm gonna get a few chickens
Speaker 1: or some goats, but you don't realize like all the
Speaker 1: responsibilities and yeah, I did not know don'ts that come
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, she was a great guest. I'm glad
Speaker 3: we had her on today.
Speaker 1: Yeah I've never because I've thought about getting chickens to
Speaker 1: have her own eggs, but make sure a lot more
Speaker 1: you get the gas masks. Ye, clean out there coop,
Speaker 1: they're coop, they're poop in the coop, all right. So
Speaker 1: we are going to move on from tailing the one
Speaker 1: and get to pawn order this week, So do does
Speaker 1: and dolts?
Speaker 3: What are we doing all right? Paul?
Speaker 1: And order Number one on the list this week is
Speaker 1: I would not let my significant other husbands take my
Speaker 1: pet to the vet unless they are super involved and
Speaker 1: the caretaking and they know what's going on. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: I love my husband dearly. There are some husbands that
Speaker 1: come in and are amazing, like they take care of
Speaker 1: the animal, they know what they eat, they know when
Speaker 1: they poop, they know everything. But I'm going to say
Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority do not fit that bill and so
Speaker 1: I love that they're helping out and I love that
Speaker 1: they're bringing the pet in. But for us veteran Harians,
Speaker 1: it can be frustrating because we'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the dog eat? I don't know, okay? And what
Speaker 1: prevention are they on? I don't know okay, And then
Speaker 1: we'll get through the whole exam and they'll be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I need to call my wife.
Speaker 3: You're like, yes, or send her here? Can we have
Speaker 3: called her forty minutes ago?
Speaker 1: So if you are going to come, I do have
Speaker 1: some wives now that will write me a note being
Speaker 1: like this is what the pet's here for. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying at home, This is the meds that
Speaker 1: they're on. And then they send their husband with the
Speaker 1: pet and the note yeah, which I think is very
Speaker 1: funny and.
Speaker 3: Also very smart.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I couldn't take our cat to the ved
Speaker 1: the other day, so I literally I sent Stephen with
Speaker 1: like his shot, like his vaccine records, what he's been eating,
Speaker 1: what he's been doing, like last time.
Speaker 3: He was seen with like a whole thing. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is dummy proof.
Speaker 1: You cannot fail at this, and he was like, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for doing this, because normally I have
Speaker 1: to call you every time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know, so don't do that anyways.
Speaker 1: The worst is sometimes the husband will come in and
Speaker 1: the pet sick and I'll be like, okay, well we
Speaker 1: need to do X, Y and Z, you know, and
Speaker 1: then he'll be like, you know, I think my wife's
Speaker 1: just being exaggerating, like I don't think this pet sick
Speaker 1: will be fine, just give us a medicine and we'll go.
Speaker 3: And then the wife will call and be like, why
Speaker 3: didn't you do any tests?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I'm like your husband, she said, no,
Speaker 1: your husband told me no, So, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to start any marital fights.
Speaker 3: Be prepared, like Shannon, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like sending your sorry honey, I have to
Speaker 1: say this, but it's like sending your significant other grocery store.
Speaker 1: Like if you don't send a list, you're not getting
Speaker 1: what you need. You're gonna ask for cottage cheese and
Speaker 1: you're gonna get sour cream. Yeah. Send them with like
Speaker 1: a dummy proof, just like all the records they need,
Speaker 1: all the questions you need to ask.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll be fine, yep. Or just call doctor Josie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, directly, directly, Okay, number two on the list, we
Speaker 1: do not want to bring any lilies into the household
Speaker 1: if you own a cat. The entire plant lily plant
Speaker 1: is toxic, so the stem, the leaves, the pollens, even
Speaker 1: the water in the vase. And cats like to drink
Speaker 1: you know, standing water on countertops. And it's not just
Speaker 1: like a mile toxicity. They can get fatal kidney failure.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yep, they need to put a warning on Lili's
Speaker 3: so not know that. So easter time funerals anything like that.
Speaker 1: If you have a cat, no lilies, man, that's scary
Speaker 1: because I mean, is there other plants. I'm sure there are,
Speaker 1: but is lilies like the main one, yescause it's more
Speaker 1: common that you have them in your house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you cannot.
Speaker 1: There's a website like the ASPCA Plant Toxicity Okay direct,
Speaker 1: you can basically go through all the plants. But lilies
Speaker 1: is like the one that with cats, like we really have.
Speaker 1: That's scary because we've definitely we have a cat. He's
Speaker 1: not allowed on the counters, but yeah, sometimes he does
Speaker 1: and he gets in trouble. But we've definitely had lilies
Speaker 1: in the house. Yeah, well he's okay, Murphy. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't know, you really counter buddy exactly. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: good to know, all right. Number three on this week's list,
Speaker 1: I would not let my dog lick my baby's face.
Speaker 1: I just watched a TikTok video of this, and it's
Speaker 1: so cute and endearing. But y'all, their mouth, it's a
Speaker 1: great myth that their mouth is cleaner than ours. That
Speaker 1: is so not true. They are licking their own butts.
Speaker 1: They are eating dog food, and it makes me when
Speaker 1: I watch them, like, yeah, this face is my like
Speaker 1: little eyeball starts to twitch a little bit, so better
Speaker 1: safe than sorry. I would not let them lock my
Speaker 1: baby's sace. I just wouldn't. Yeah, I know, I was,
Speaker 1: I think because I had a frenchie and she had
Speaker 1: the most disgusting mouth on the planet. Like we did
Speaker 1: all the fetwork that was necessary, but it was just
Speaker 1: like not a good mouth health And all she wanted
Speaker 1: to do was try to lick our son's face. And
Speaker 1: everyone thought I was crazy because I was constantly like
Speaker 1: diving to be like no if she was about to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have no idea how gross her mouth is.
Speaker 1: And he does not need that all up in his business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's it's like being older adults like a look
Speaker 1: to the face and some kisses are fine, but when
Speaker 1: they're younger or you know, a lot older, they are
Speaker 1: just naturally amino compromise. Yeah, because of their age. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's better safe than sorry. Don't do it, yep,
Speaker 1: don't do it? All right, Well, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: joining us this week on in the Vet's Office. Don't
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