WEBVTT - Taylin Lewan: Navigating Your Pet Aging & Keeping Farm Animals Alive 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.639 Yeah, you're listening to In the Vets Office with doctor 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:17.799 Josie Horshak. All right, everybody, welcome to in the Vet's Office. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.239 I am your host, doctor Josie, and as always, we 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:21.239 are joined by Shannon. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:21.520 Hey. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:23.840 Hey, how's it going going great? How are you this week? 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:24.400 I'm good. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.360 I'm always excited for this episode because I feel like 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.040 we have great guests and such great conversation and there's 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.840 always something interesting or funny that happens in the Vet's 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.879 Office and you just still don't know what goes on 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:37.920 behind closed doors when you take your pets in. 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:38.560 Yeah. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:40.239 Yeah, and I feel like you have had a lot 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.760 of interesting stuff happen. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:42.120 Yeah. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.680 I was reflecting this week on what case to talk about, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.400 and I was like, you know, this isn't really a case. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.640 It's more of an observation, okay, that I've had. And 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.400 when I as many of you know, I was working 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.160 in downtown Chicago for almost five years and I really 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.920 prided myself on being very efficient in and out of 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.360 my exams, a throw of course, but never behind, never 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.800 making owners weight. And I have found that since moving 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.840 to Nashville, I'm always like three to four minutes behind 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.639 and I'm like, why is this happening? And I think 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.480 a lot of it has to do with like the 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.200 demeanor of the owners coming from the big city to 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.360 now being you know, in the South in Nashville. Yeah, 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.560 a little more laid back, a little more laid back. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.600 And then also just like there's just more conversation. So 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.200 for example, if a pet is coming into the exam 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.880 room in Chicago, the owner would be like, listen, I'm 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.440 here for rabies de simper parva lepto. I've got a 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.360 meeting in four minutes, Like can you get me in 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.880 and out? And I'm like, you got this, Linda, I 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:40.520 got you girl, Like I'm going to get you in 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.880 and out so fast. And now it's like, well, Fliffy 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.880 likes to watch Animal Planet. Sometimes he's scared of the 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.320 flask water and he likes to go in the yard, 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:53.520 but not when it's raining. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.840 He doesn't want to get his toes wet. And so 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.080 I find that. I'm just like and. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.000 You're like, why are you here? 0:01:58.280 --> 0:01:59.680 I'm like, wait a second, what do we do? 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.760 No, I'm confused, And we're talking about fly swatters and 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.360 an animal Planet, which I love, I adore. I think 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.320 it's amazing because I get to learn so much about 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.840 my clients now, Like I learn about their children and 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.720 their parents and their significant other. Like there's just some 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.160 like this added conversation piece. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.080 Yeah, it's that Southern hospitality. It really is. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.080 And I feel like that you've had a lot of 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.120 your clients be a part of the podcast because you've 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.160 actually developed relationships with them. Yes, and that's before in Downtown, 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.640 which I don't fault them at all, but they're like 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.800 go go, go go. So now it's just kind of like, okay, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.440 like this is great. Like do I need to know 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.960 that Fluffy scared of fly swatters? 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:35.079 No? 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.639 I don't, Like that's not going to change when I 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.800 do medically, but I do, deep down really. 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.160 Love the added details. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.400 It's pretty great not to pull a fly swatter out 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.359 if Fluffy is coming in there you go, which you 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.320 might not have known that about a Chicago patient exactly exactly. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.400 I know. I know my pets, I know their their loves, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.280 their hates, everything, so hilarious. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.560 I think it is true though, Like I come from 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.880 Canada and like I have noticed that been in like 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.120 meetings and stuff like in Toronto is like everyone is 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.120 like in a rush constantly and like, I'm sure there 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.480 are people in Nashville and Tennessee that are like that too, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.400 but I think there is such a little bit more 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.720 of a like building a relationship while also in you know, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.800 contact with someone. Yeah, and they'll even be to me 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.400 the like how are you. I'm like, oh, you're talking 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:22.600 to me. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.160 You're like, thank you? How am I? I don't know how. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.239 I'm like, no one's ever asked me that before. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.800 So yeah, I mean, just yeah, coming down here was 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.440 It's a cultural difference and I love it. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:31.919 Yeah. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.520 I think I noticed that too with like our horse 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.320 vet that we had come out to our farm here. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.960 I love doctor Meghan, like my our vet. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.720 She's great and like we would hang out and have 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.600 a coffee, and I'm like I would never do that 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:42.040 when I. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.839 Was back home, just get to shoot the shit. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.960 Yeah, Like they would come in, give the horse like 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.720 a you know, their vaccines, and then be gone. Like 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.880 doctor Meghan and I were like hanging out. It might 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.720 need to make my appointment times a little longer, but 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:54.600 I'm here for it that maybe just make it a 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.040 little bit of an adjustment. Yeah, yeah, here for it. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.760 So that you can talk about Fluffy. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.160 Fluffy and his loves and hates. That's amazing. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.720 All right, Well, we've got some great questions this week. 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.920 I actually got some from some listeners, so this was 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.680 for you, Doctor Josie. My dog is so itchy. She's 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.640 scratching at her ears and armpits, licking her paws. I'm 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.160 giving her zertech daily, but it doesn't seem to be helping. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.640 What do I do? That is a very good question. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.560 I'm actually going to do an entire episode on allergies 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.919 in our pets because I need a whole hour to 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.400 talk about it. But what it makes me think is 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:33.960 a she probably has allergies, whether it's seasonal, environmental, food allergy, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:35.599 it's hard to say. I'd have to see her and 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.240 we'd have to talk about it. But a lot of 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.279 the times those over the counter anahistamines do not cut 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.680 it for these dogs, and so what I would recommend 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.640 is bring her into your vet. A lot of times 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.040 when they do have allergies, they can get a secondary 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.480 skin infection. So their skin is already you know, angry 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.960 because they're allergic right now. They can get a bacterial 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.559 or yeast infection on top of that. So we'll treat 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.839 that skin infection if they have one, and then we 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.880 have some really great prescription medications to help control the itch, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:04.559 one of them being Sido Point. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.359 It's an injection that I really like. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.120 And then if we can get to the bottom of 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.799 what they're allergic to, then great, we're treating the underlying issue. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.120 So sounds like allergies, you should probably go to the vet. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:14.119 I help that helps. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.560 Yeah, I dealt with that all the time with our 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:18.039 friend Gie. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.880 She was constantly going through like allergy cycles and it 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.960 actually the main cause was her food mm hmm yep, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.159 And you know, we kind of trial and error just 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.880 figured it out over time. But yeah, she ended up 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.440 on like the hypoallergenic. I would tell owners every time 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.080 we even start an allergy conversation, I say, this is 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.080 far and away the least favorite. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.280 Thing I enjoy working up in animals. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.839 It is so frustrating because you kind of have to 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.560 go through some trial and air and owners want like 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.800 an overnight fix, and there's just there just isn't one, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.120 So we kind of all have to be on the 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.000 same page. And like I said, I'm gonna do a 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.279 whole episode about it, so stay tuned. I can't wait, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.680 all right, next one, Doctor Josie. This may be a 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.360 dumb question. There's never a dumb question. But I've only 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.200 ever had male dogs. What does it mean to spae 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.520 an animal? I don't think this is a dumb question 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.840 at all. I think a lot of people don't understand 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.080 how just how involved a spae procedure is. So a 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.000 spe is for a female animal really cats and dogs, 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.960 and then a neuter is for a male. Neuter easy psy, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.000 You take the testicles out. You don't have to go 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.120 in through that body wall. Now, as spae, their reproductive 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:25.760 tract lies inside their abdomen. So just like when a 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.359 woman gets a C section, we cut through those tummy 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.600 muscles and we take out both ovaries and their uterus. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.480 I mean it's a oh wow, I did not know that. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.640 Mm hmm. Yeah, it's a big surgery. It's a huge surgery. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.280 So it is. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.159 And it's not to say we shouldn't do it. We 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.400 absolutely should, but it's important to know, like, hey, this 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.560 is a pretty involved, slash somewhat invasive procedure and postop 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.560 they really need to be arrested and closely monitored because 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.280 it is such a you know, a big procedure. Yeah, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.520 and like female dogs that I've had, they definitely were 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.880 not taking it easy as they probably should have been. Yes, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.520 I say, like really the first ten days, especially like 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.400 super strictly arrested. Most of the dogs that were spaying 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.640 and neutering are like parcouring off the walls because they're 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.360 young and excited. Anyways, So tell your vet that and 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:11.760 they can give you a little something to take the 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.280 edge off at home and keep them calm. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:14.720 Right, Okay, good deal? 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.000 All right, Well those are our questions for this week, 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.080 and don't forget you guys can submit your questions too 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.840 if you want to ask doctor Josie something. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.119 There's no dumb questions. And who do we have joining 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.040 us today? This week? We have Taylor Lawan. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.640 She is the wife of Taylor Lawan, who was a 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.480 former offensive LINEMSS for the Tennessee Titans. He is now 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.240 at one of the hosts of Barstools Busting with the 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.520 Boys podcasts. Yep, I heard of that, and Taylan and 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.720 her family live here in Nashville. She's always been a 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.480 big animal advocate and now they have a decent amount 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.600 of land and they're really kind of creating their own farm, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.760 and so I'm excited to hear how it's gone from 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.760 just being a dog owner to like owning an entire 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.160 farmful of animals. So amazing, all right, Taylor Lawan, we 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.119 are so excited. I'm excited because I at some point 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.240 we are going to have a full on farm with 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.120 goats and chickens and cows and everything. 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:08.800 So I'll hopefully learn some tips. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:14.720 I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will. All right, 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.320 Welcome to in the Vets office, Taylor Lawan. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.440 Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here with Akira. 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:23.400 I know we've got Missakira here. She We're gonna dive 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.680 into all about Akira. But she is your husky that 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.920 you've had since you were eighteen. Yeah, that's a long time. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.840 Not to age you, but I no, she ages me. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.480 That's a long time. Yeah. So she's twelve. I turned 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.960 thirty this year, so that's how I obviously keep track. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:37.760 That's amazing. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.520 She's actually one of my patients, and she's one of 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.440 the very, very best. She's so sweet and you would 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.240 never know she's thirteen. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.920 Yeah. Yeah, she's turned thirteen this year. Yeah, almost thirteen. Yeah, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.559 sozy she has she's my senior dog. So she hasn't 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.640 left my house in a long time unless I take 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.800 her for a drive. So she's probably like, what are 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.560 we doing? Why are we here? 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.520 Like this is a weird outing for sure? What are 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:03.320 these bright lights? 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:04.000 Exactly? 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.240 Well, well, I'm glad she's here today. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.720 Taylan and I actually met at a Wags event and 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.520 bonded over horses. And for those of you that don't 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.719 follow Tailan, I love your account because I feel like 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.679 all the things you post are just like so aesthetically 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.920 pleasing and wholesome. You're like making sour dough, You've got chickens, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.160 and I guess, like you know, for those of us 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.960 that are just looking from the outside in, it looks 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.640 so beautiful. But I'm sure it's a lot of work 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.120 because you basically have your own little farm. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.240 Oh yeah, like it. I think it's a lot of 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.720 work for those moments, you know, right, it's like those 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.880 moments that I capture because it's usually when I'm like 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.480 like this is like I always treat my Instagram like 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:42.240 it's a scrap book. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:45.320 Oh this is amazing. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.559 That's why she's trying to get my attention. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.600 Akira has taken a poop. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.640 I was gonna say, she really doesn't bother me unless 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.240 she has to go outside. That's why she's trying to 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.160 get attention. 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.920 That's okay, this is our first poop of the pot. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:05.240 Guess Okay, we're gonna take a brief intermission so that 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.839 we can clean up the little poop. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.839 No gets she's left behind, and we'll be right back. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:10.520 We'll be right back. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.280 All right, We're back from our brief intermission of cleaning 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.040 up at Caraspoo. I was like, you know what, Taylor, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.640 this is a great bow movement. Like this is solid, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.240 good consistency, nice and healthy. Yeah, we got no concerns, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.480 no concern great shape for her age. Actually we were 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:44.920 just discussing her age. Yeah, very consistent bow movements. Anyways, Okay, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.640 so back to your your little farm. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.920 Yeah, okay, So I have always wanted a farm, and 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.600 I grew up on a cattle ranch, but I mostly 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.559 grew up outside outside, So I grew up in Canada 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.720 and my all, my my grandparents and my mom and everybody. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.120 We've always had a big heart for animals, and when 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.959 I moved to Nashville, that was kind of always the goal. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.520 I remember, even when I first moved out into a 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.080 place that was not allowed having chickens. I got chickens 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:13.800 and I put them in a garage, thinking that would 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.720 be fine. Of course, they destroyed that garage. It took 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.840 me forever clean. So it's always been a goal of mine. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.840 So me and my husband we built the house that 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.160 we live in now, and one of the first things 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.920 I did was get a chicken coop. Okay, and I 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:30.760 knew chickens is going to be the first thing, just 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.680 it seemed detainable. Yeah, And when COVID happened, I actually 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.400 came to realize that I had I can't do anything for. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:38.800 Myself, Okay. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.480 When I was stuck in my house, I was like, wow, 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.520 I'm I'm really dependent on everything, you know and everyone. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.400 So when things started shutting down, I was like, okay, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.280 I want to be more prepared next time, just to 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.880 have you know, more things at home, and you know, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.360 learn how to garden and learn how to maintain animals 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.319 that will like work for me and all the things. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.480 So I got chickens. And then getting chickens, you kind 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:05.480 of like, once you get them, you start learning them. Yeah. Hey, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.120 once I got chickens, I started learning them and started 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.240 getting like little routines. Okay, so you don't really know 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.920 until you get them, you know. Well I didn't. I 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.440 yea did very learn as you go. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.520 Most people moved to Tennessee and they're like, I'm going 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:18.960 to get a chicken. I just feel like it like 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.440 comes one part of the territory and they don't know. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.040 Yeah. So yeah, and so once you get like we 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.840 got a good routine in the automatic waters and you know, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.280 and it's an excuse to get me outside every day. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.120 How many chickens do you have right now? 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:33.080 I have twelve? 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.120 And are any of them roosters? Are they all? 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.360 You're not a lot of roosters? Okay, yeah, so I 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.440 don't even know. Yeah, you're not well within the city 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:40.000 limits that I'm in. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.800 You're not allowed roosters because they make noise. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.680 Yeah exactly. Okay, so you're not allowed of roosters. We've 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.960 got four parcels of land kind of conjoined, and so yeah, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.640 that's how many chickens we have. And then we had ducks, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.760 but for some reason we have We're in the city, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.040 we're not too far away. But the predators are insane. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.720 Yes, that is something that when I moved here from 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.040 downtown Chicago. I was shocked. Yeah, bobcats. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.240 Oh yeah, we have a we have a I mean 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.280 the land we're on too, is like really historical. We've 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.120 got a graveyard and we've got an old house, so 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.160 it's a lot of history on it and a lot 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.040 of it's untouched. Most of it's untouched, and I have 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.280 to assume that's where they've all lived within the city. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.720 That's my story, I tell myself because it's shocking to me. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.240 But like at one in the afternoon, they'll just be 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.280 a bobcat walking around. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.920 Yeah. It's like, Yeah, I was on a walk with 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.600 my sister and a bobcat went in front of us. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.240 She's like, what the is going on? Yeah, She's like, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.240 do they travel in packs? I'm like no, I just 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.640 wanted to Yeah, and it was huge. I was like, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.400 you've probably lived here this whole time. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:40.320 Yeah, they're big. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.160 Yeah. So I lost all my ducks, all four of them. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.360 I guess a duck is a delicacy. I'm assuming. I 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.680 know that I can't. I'm assuming because they just would 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.120 go right past the chicken straight. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:48.720 To the duck. Wow. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.000 Interesting, Yeah, I thought that was too. I think that 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:53.720 that well. At least two out of four of those 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.680 was for sure. Now, just the way that we found 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.960 the duck, I was like, this is now wow. But yeah, 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.640 that was Another thing is learning predators. You know, you 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.719 see all these pictures of the chickens running around free, 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.280 and you think it's all, you know, storybook, but no, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:14.200 sometimes it's also a mystery, like studying the blood splatter exactly. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.719 I'm like, okay, this was taken, so that must mean. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.360 But one of the main reasons I did this was 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.120 for my kids. We live in a really blessed lifestyle, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.280 and you know, my kids have chores, and my kids 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.120 have duties that they have to do, and they have 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.520 to take care of something other than themselves, and so 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.360 that's where kind of chickens came into. And you know, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.720 my oldest daughter, her job is getting the eggs every day, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.600 and I don't get put them in charge of doing 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.280 the chickens because this is also a learning group. Cleaning 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:42.680 them is because I didn't know you're supposed to wear 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.240 like a mask or like a respirator. I got myself 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:53.000 so sick, really like or your symptoms. I was like, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.320 I think I started the new Avian flu. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.280 It's not Okay, you were patient zero. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:57.800 I was. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.160 So it's like like stomach or like respiratory. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.520 Wow, hardcore respiratory. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.960 Okay, do that as things you just wouldn't know. I wouldn't. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.160 I would never wear a respirator. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:13.000 They don't look cleaning my own chicken coop just a 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.120 real home setter. Now yeah, no, I'm like I can't 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.640 and you were dying in your bed. Okay, yeah, good 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.720 to know. So they don't clean out the coop. So 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.280 they don't clean out the coop. And then after chickens, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.880 we got bunnies, and bunny seemed like an easier thing 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:28.880 for the kids to cuddle with. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.600 The thing I do know about bunnies is they they 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.880 even look at them the wrong way and they're a goner. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.760 Oh yeah, we've lost a couple bunnies from heart attacks usually. Yeah. Literally, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.280 they're like, bring up to the bed. They're like just 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.520 kind of happens. Yeah, what do you mean if a 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.720 branch fell too loud, or if the boil changed too fast, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.320 or if you move them out of their because I 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.280 switched habitats like that' stress of that, we'll just kill 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.320 them to die. And so kind of like what we 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.600 were talking about beforehand, though, is living on the farm 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.160 kind of like I had grown up too, is like 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.120 your in first introductory to death is with an animal, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.880 which I think is such a blessing because they understand 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.200 forever through like a bunny or through a chicken, you know, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.720 And it's a hard concept for even adults to understand. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.200 And so you know, the few months. Honestly, I have 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.640 two really sensitive daughters, especially one the few months of 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.160 the night time cries because their chicken didn't come home, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.520 or when's the chicken kind of come back because they 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.880 miss them, or you know, stuff like that. Like those 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:36.120 are easier conversations to have. And we just recently lost 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.840 my grandmother last October, and that's I'm actually thankful for 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.680 the conversations we had that led up to that, because 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:43.640 I think it would have been even harder to wrap 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.600 their head around when it comes to the concept of 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.120 like a person who knows in their lives rather than 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:48.760 an animal. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.320 Yeah, we had talked about this before, and that was 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.440 really eye opening for me. I feel like, a yes, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.960 having them do tours and teaching them the value of 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.720 work is really important. But also I never thought about 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.000 the concept of life and death. Oh yeah, and that 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.720 is like such a beautiful thing to be able to 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.480 teach your children. It is, and like we're important. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.080 We are meat eaters in our house, we're animal lovers, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.400 which we are meat eaters. And understanding that concept too 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.120 young and having that conversation because I remember just being 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.119 absolutely floored when I found out that I've eaten a 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.040 cow when I was like twelve. I was maybe not so, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.000 but older than I should have been to know that, 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.120 like I was, you know, questioning everything. And so I've 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.480 kind of introduced that concept to my kids just to 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:29.800 let them stomach it and at the end of the 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.400 day they can make their own choices as they get 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.560 older and stuff like that. But it comes with so 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.119 many life lessons. Living amongst animals in general comes with 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.320 life lessons, I don't agree. More so having the farm that's, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.480 you know, the main focus. Most of the animals we 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.000 have come with the purpose. The bunnies are more pets. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.680