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Speaker 1: Welcome to Indianapolis. We're inside the Convention Center in downtown

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Speaker 1: indian This is the twenty twenty NFL Scouting Combine. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Task are gonna be here till three

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Speaker 1: o'clock today. Do the same thing tomorrow, Thursday and Friday,

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Speaker 1: four solidays of com gone cover. It's good to do

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Speaker 1: it's been an active morning for us. We're recording some

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Speaker 1: nobody has anything to say, but we say it anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Uneventful drive down and an easy

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be inside here in the convention center. We're

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Speaker 1: Happy to have our buddy Charles Davis with this. Hi, Charless,

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Speaker 1: good to see you. I missed you at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: very difficult position. But Murphy said, it's early and we're

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Speaker 1: looking at different options. Last year, they left the combined

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Speaker 1: opposed to use to replay pass interference and then decided

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Speaker 1: to put it in place at the owners meetings about

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Speaker 1: a month later. That it was unprecedented, the the speed

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Speaker 1: with which that rule you know, got looked at and

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Speaker 1: approved and put into practice. And I don't think the

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Speaker 1: league really likes it all that much. It didn't work

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Speaker 1: as well as they thought it would. It didn't work

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Speaker 1: in the way they thought it would. And usually to me,

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Speaker 1: that means a reaction from the league. They probably won't

437
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Speaker 1: kind of just hang out and let that fly. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna make some changes and tweak it. But the problem is,

439
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Speaker 1: I don't think they know exactly what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to go further down that rabbit hole,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to come further out

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Speaker 1: of it because then it becomes a meaningless challengeable thing.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's maybe that's it. Maybe they want like

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Speaker 1: two of those challenges a year rather than the hundred

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Speaker 1: and one that they got this year. You know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. Also, what else going on here today, Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is, of course, combine news with

448
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Speaker 1: news of the prospects here. Joe Burrow, the LSU quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There was some I guess kind of a minor flare

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Speaker 1: up over the weekend. What if he says no, doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to play for the Bengals. Burrow clarified that today

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Speaker 1: when he met with the media, said he rebuffed any

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Speaker 1: notion he doesn't want the Bengals to pick him number

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Speaker 1: one overall. He said, I'll play for whoever drafts me.

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Speaker 1: Burrow also had his hands measured part of the measurement

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Speaker 1: process here that came in a little interesting nine inch hands.

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Speaker 1: According to Yahoo Sports, the link from pinky to thumb

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Speaker 1: tied for the smallest among what you're looking at ears like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're the smallest among first round quarterbacks measure at the

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Speaker 1: combine since two thousand and eight. So what Burrow made

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Speaker 1: a jokeout right, He made a joke out It's true.

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Speaker 1: He's good for him, he said, I was I'm considering retirement,

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Speaker 1: and he tweeted up, I was informed the football we'll

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Speaker 1: be slipping out of my tiny, tiny hands. Please keep

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Speaker 1: me in your thoughts. That's great, perfect, great. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. Brandon Bean met with media today. Brandon Bean,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear from him at one o'clock. Could be

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Speaker 1: with us in our set up here. Sean McDermott talked

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Speaker 1: to the media a little bit earlier today and he

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Speaker 1: was asked about is it true do the Bills need

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the NFL Draft. Here's what the

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Speaker 1: head coach on McDermott said, Yeah, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: the game changes in so many ways, and so whether

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Speaker 1: you're adding a wide receiver or protecting your quarterback, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's important right that we continue to

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Speaker 1: add pieces on the offensive side of the of the board.

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Speaker 1: And UM, adding playmakers is important. UM, but if you

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Speaker 1: have playmakers and no no one to protect the quarterback,

479
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Speaker 1: that doesn't work either. We've all seen that, So UM

480
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Speaker 1: doing going about it in a responsible way, trying to

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Speaker 1: do both would be ideal. Sean McDermot have head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Bills talking about the need for a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: so he's right. You know, he's looking at wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: There's no secret about that. And it's a good draft.

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Speaker 1: They'll be looking for wide receivers YEA, and and and

486
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Speaker 1: it's obvious. I mean if they're gonna and they're I

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Speaker 1: think they'll sign one of free agency too. I think

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Speaker 1: they'll bring some guys. They're gonna have like thirteen of

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Speaker 1: them in training camp, so uh, certainly they're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: have that to do. So they'll draft one. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: sign them in free agency. They're gonna have their pick

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Speaker 1: of guys. Uh, certainly in the free agent market. But

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Speaker 1: the draft, there's a ton of guys out there. They

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Speaker 1: may not get Rugs or Higgins or whatever, but they're

495
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Speaker 1: gonna get a quality guy and they're gonna like the

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Speaker 1: guy they get. Um. So, you know, so much can

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Speaker 1: change between now and the draft. And I think what

498
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Speaker 1: you gotta do is you kind of gotta trust them

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Speaker 1: to in their evaluating evaluation processes to know that when

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Speaker 1: they do get to the draft, maybe the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: isn't the top thing on their list, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: THEOO and that there's other ways to best case scenario

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Speaker 1: that may be the best thing. Yeah. Yeah. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: talked about a variety of issues, including trying to replace

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Alexander. Not so much on the field either, with

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo right, it's off the field, it's right as a

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Speaker 1: leader in the locker room. Here's what McDermott said about

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Speaker 1: trying to fill that void now that Lorenzo Alexander is retired,

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Speaker 1: and how they're going to replace him. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: similar to Kyle. You know it's it's I made a

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Speaker 1: comment earlier, I'm over three in terms of forcing guys

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Speaker 1: into retirement. I guess you know you got Kyle and

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Speaker 1: and Eric would I thought I was over for two,

514
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Speaker 1: but I guess I'm over three. With Eric that was

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Speaker 1: brought to my attention, although that was forced due to

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Speaker 1: medical reasons. But and now with with Lorenzo, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you ever replaced those guys, in particular from a

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Speaker 1: leadership standpoint to your point on the field, in terms

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Speaker 1: of the skill set, Lorenzo was such a unique player

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Speaker 1: because of the skill set. He could play linebacker, dropping

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Speaker 1: into coverage, he could rush the passer. He was a

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Speaker 1: big force for us on special teams. Um sometimes that

523
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Speaker 1: takes more than one player to fill that, and so

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Speaker 1: and then when you add the leadership component on top

525
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Speaker 1: of that, that's hard to find out there, Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: answering questions about Lorenzo Alexander. It's mcdermot's still over there

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Speaker 1: answering questions. By the way, I think he is. He's

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Speaker 1: still talking to the media over It's amazing. Been here

529
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Speaker 1: for about two and a half hours. So if I'd

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Speaker 1: probably do that all today and then for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the week, They're like like avoiding us. Hey, we

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Speaker 1: got the general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers coming up,

533
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Speaker 1: Tom to Leasco going to join us in a moment.

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Speaker 1: And we're just getting started here in Indy with our

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Speaker 1: coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine. So we'll take a break,

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Speaker 1: come on back for more. It's one Bill Slide presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalida Health from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Welcome back to the scounting

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Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis. Genomeraphy, Seve Tasker, special guests, Western New

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Speaker 1: York native to Time to Leasco, general manager of the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Chargers. Time'm good to see you. Oh, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. I was just kidney about we

543
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: would meet down here and do an interview. We'd meet

544
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Speaker 1: in the hallway over in Lucas, standing up, walking around,

545
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Speaker 1: and then right get a Hall of Famer over here.

546
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Speaker 1: We get nice seats, cameras and we've been talking to

547
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Speaker 1: about how the Bills have got this big to do list,

548
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Speaker 1: and I look at your job and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: Phillip's gone, new stadium, relocation, the draft, the free agency,

550
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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards plus. There's some expectation there, Roysters.

551
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Speaker 1: Really you built a really nice roster there, and so

552
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Speaker 1: what's what's on your plate? We'p just busy. It keeps

553
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Speaker 1: just busy. It is. It's uh, it's fun though. I

554
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: mean the move from San Diego to Los Angeles, it

555
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Speaker 1: really gets us a chance to really start from scratch.

556
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Speaker 1: And that's really what it is, not only football wise,

557
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Speaker 1: but just you know, building in the market and then

558
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Speaker 1: moving into the brand new stadium this year. Our guys

559
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Speaker 1: are excited about that to finally have a home we

560
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Speaker 1: can call our own. Um. So that that's great, and

561
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Speaker 1: you know, as a football team, we've got some work

562
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Speaker 1: to do. We had a great year two years ago,

563
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Speaker 1: but we didn't capitalize on that, going twelve and four,

564
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Speaker 1: winning a playoff game two years ago, and then last

565
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Speaker 1: year took a step back. So we have some work

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Speaker 1: to do in the in the off season. Obviously, you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, Philip Rivers, when you when you transition from

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Speaker 1: the face of your franchise for that long. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some bumps in the road, but we think we

570
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Speaker 1: have a pretty good plan. We have a lot of

571
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Speaker 1: different plans, see how they work out. Um, you were

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Speaker 1: not taken by surprise when Philip made the announcement. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of a joint announcement by the way, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you knew this was coming, But it still

575
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Speaker 1: is a shock to the system because guy's been there

576
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Speaker 1: song You're still used to seeing him play there For me,

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Speaker 1: you know, to say as an opponent and we played

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Speaker 1: against him when I worked here for a long time

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Speaker 1: and then being with them, Um, you know he's the

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Speaker 1: face of the Chargers, so that there's a transition period there. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you'd like your stars to play forever, but you

582
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Speaker 1: just know it doesn't work like that. So, um, that's

583
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Speaker 1: where we are right now. What do you think his

584
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Speaker 1: legacy will be? Like? How will people not that he's done?

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Speaker 1: He might play some more, but yeah, I think he

586
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Speaker 1: still will. Yeah, I think I think he still has

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Speaker 1: good football up to him. I think he'll play as

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Speaker 1: long as the right spots there I think play. Um,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he has a long, long legacy in San

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Speaker 1: Diego and Los Angeles. Obviously most of his career was

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Speaker 1: in San Diego. But Um, not only his ability on

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Speaker 1: the field, but as as a teammate, I mean, there's

593
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Speaker 1: nobody better or as far as to play, next to

594
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Speaker 1: the passion he puts into it and all the work

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Speaker 1: he does a as a you know, in the community

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Speaker 1: and just as a dad. I mean, he he's a

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Speaker 1: pretty impressive guy. And you've you've said it kind of

598
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Speaker 1: leaves a void for you, and you've said you've got

599
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Speaker 1: lots of plans and a lot of them are out

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Speaker 1: of your hands, but can you give us a quick

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Speaker 1: short list of like what your first Stepma, what do

602
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Speaker 1: you think a free agent quarterback? Then the draft quarterback,

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Speaker 1: then the mentor quarterback, and the young guy coming up?

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Speaker 1: And we're we're very happy and a player that you know,

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Speaker 1: with Tyrod Taylor, we think he fits a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that Anthony would like to do. Um, he's a

607
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: great pro. He was kind of history. Yeah, we have

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Speaker 1: a history with or Anthony has a history with them,

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Speaker 1: and we think we can win with them. So we

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Speaker 1: have him in house, which is great to know. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then we're so early, still three weeks out from

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Speaker 1: free agency and almost two months from the draft. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we'll look at all those options too. Use be crazy

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Speaker 1: not too so we'll look at that. But um, we

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Speaker 1: feel like we're in a good place as well as

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Speaker 1: you could be. When you lose your franchise quarterbacks fifth six,

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Speaker 1: six and you most people think at least three quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Do you anticipate one of them

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Speaker 1: would be there? Anything people say right now is completely guessing,

620
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Speaker 1: completely guess. There's still so much work to do on

621
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Speaker 1: a lot of these players. I don't know, but I

622
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Speaker 1: know one thing. We're picking six. Um, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a great player. I'm not I don't know what position yet,

624
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Speaker 1: but we're gonna be in good shape. You're a good player.

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Speaker 1: And I and I was asking to what Brandon being about.

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Speaker 1: You know, when do the phone calls and the and

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Speaker 1: the because at the top of the first round is

628
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Speaker 1: really those players that everybody cuts no matter where they're sitting.

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl winners covering them, and so doos the

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00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: thirty second team. So how soon do you start, you know,

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Speaker 1: because your phone's gonna ring sometimes you get guys from

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Speaker 1: the back of the Yeah, So when does that start

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Speaker 1: happening sometimes at the combine is this is really the

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Speaker 1: first place you may get a couple feelers either co

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Speaker 1: op or go down. Um. But I will say when

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Speaker 1: you try in the top five, it takes a lot

637
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: of assets and capital to do that. It's it's it's

638
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: just different. Even even it's just moving like two or

639
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: three spots. When you go into the top five, historically

640
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: you have to give up a lot. But it will

641
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: kind of happen here. We have we have some some

642
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: league meetings in late March. Sometimes things will pick up there,

643
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of times we have to get our

644
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: draft boards set. Like even like you talk about who

645
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: you think may be there, I don't even know yet.

646
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: And in the pinpoint who exactly when we may want

647
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: or someone else may want that may not come into April.

648
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that it's so expensive to

649
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: get into the top five is because there are some

650
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: guys there that could change his face of a franchise

651
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. Amium players. How many guys, How

652
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: deep does that go down to the front top ten,

653
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: top five, top three, I don't know as far as

654
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: like the top top premium guys. I will say as

655
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: a whole. I think this draft is really strong. I

656
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have talked to Brandon Bean theer.

657
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of positions that we went

658
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: through our draft meetings and there's a lot of good

659
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: players outside the first round. I think first round. Why

660
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: we have more first round grays this year than we did,

661
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: say last year. As far as like who's the cream,

662
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: who's made the top five? Haven't gotten quite there yet?

663
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: Have you thought about and I know it's a negative memory,

664
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: but last year to go from twelve wins down to

665
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: what five? Dispatch year and you had injuries? But was

666
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: that the major factor or no, I wish it was

667
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: what went wrong? It was. It was a painful year,

668
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: it really was. It just didn't click. It's hard to

669
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: say if it was only one thing. We can get

670
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: that fixed a lot time. You get that fixed. During

671
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the season. It wasn't just one thing as one. A

672
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: play here, a play there, a player here, a player there.

673
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: You know, maybe a mistake I made way back months before.

674
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: That kind of you know, comes up and bites you

675
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: at the end. We just couldn't get it going, you know. So,

676
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: and we like our our our crew, we like our

677
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: our core guy. So you really have to try and

678
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: drill down, Okay, what do we need to do to

679
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: get back because we saw what we were Now every

680
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: year is different. You just can't say we were twelve

681
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: and four two years ago, so we'll be good again

682
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: next year. It doesn't work like that. So, um, we've

683
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: got to get back after it again. So as you

684
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: as you put the you know, finishing close the book

685
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: on twenty nineteen, what emerged as you and Anthony sitting

686
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: down talking about where you're teams at, where your rosters at,

687
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: what was job one? Well, one thing we looked at

688
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: was like our third down for us last year wasn't great,

689
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: our red zone wasn't great. Our turnovers were now turning

690
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: the ball over on offense, but we didn't force any

691
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: turnovers on defense. Were one of the last teams of

692
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: the league in forcing turnovers and one one of the

693
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: highest and giving the ball up. That's that kills you.

694
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: That's just there's just no way. So if you just

695
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: looked at one thing, that would probably be the one thing. Now,

696
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: how do you fix that? That's a little bit different,

697
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, as far as forcing turnovers, it's more of

698
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of mentality, a little bit more talent,

699
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, offense, a little bit more focus. But we

700
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: have to If we can't fix that, we have no

701
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: chance of going anywhere with Tom tolesco general manager of

702
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers. In your head coach, Anthony Lynn,

703
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: you have a guy who I believe is underrated, and

704
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to relating to his players, he is.

705
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: We saw it in Buffalo head coach one game, but

706
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: he was offensive coordinator for most of the one season

707
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: and he is a net for relating to players. I

708
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: think right, he does. He does. He's he's a very

709
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: strong presence, but he's a great leader. Guys respect him.

710
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: They want to play hard for him. He's tough on

711
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: the players, but he's fair. I mean whatever they there's

712
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: no gray area with Anthony. If you ask him a question,

713
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: you'll get an answer exactly what his expectations are. It's

714
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: a great trait for a head coach to have. UM. Yeah,

715
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: we're worth worth thrilled with him. Can I say you

716
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: you probably won't want to comment on this, but Rex

717
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: Ryan brought him in. Rex had his own style. Rex

718
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: was not serious all the time. Anthony Lynn almost as

719
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I think back on that. He almost didn't belong on

720
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Rex's staff, you know, he's kind of and he liked

721
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: them and they all got along and Rex promoted him obviously.

722
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: But he was a different than any of the That's good.

723
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: When when I was here with Tony Dungey, Tony had

724
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: different personalities of coaches on the staff that could handle

725
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: different things. I think if if you all have the

726
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: same thoughts, the same opinion, the same personalities, it may

727
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: not work. So you got a little bit, you know,

728
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: to kind of diversify a little bit. I could see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

729
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: he had herm Edwards on that staff and Jim Caldwell,

730
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: just very different guys on the stat you know. Yeah,

731
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: I think you're right. It's like it is a chemistry.

732
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: We have all different sorts of players, right, you know,

733
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: front office and front office. I want to have some

734
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: different personalities and different thoughts, you know, you don't want

735
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: to get stale. Yeah, if you're not, if you're not all,

736
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: if you're all thinking exactly like you're not thinking, probably

737
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: not good enough. Yeah. Tell me about Sofi Stadium. What's

738
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be like for the Chargers in particular? Yeah,

739
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're we're I think our players are really

740
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: excited about to move into a brand new stadium that

741
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: we can call home. Um. I was up there a

742
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Um. You know, I've been to

743
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of stadiums. This place it looks amazing. It

744
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: really is that it's such a huge project. It's hard

745
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: to even wrap your arms around it. Um, But we're

746
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: excited about it. It's it's it's kind of a we're

747
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: trying to turn the page from twenty nineteen. So there's

748
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: no better way to turn it. Just to get out

749
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: of our old stadium into the new stadium is gonna

750
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: feel new, it's gonna feel different, It'll be fun. What

751
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: about training camp? Where's your location for that? You said

752
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: you've moved from down in the San Diego up to

753
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Orange Camp. Yeah, so we're we're in the coast of

754
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: Masa area. That's where our everyday offices are. It's actually

755
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: where our training camp is. It's pretty close to where

756
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: our offices are. We go off site for training camp,

757
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: but it's still relatively close. That will stay the same.

758
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: We have a really good set up in Coast of Masa.

759
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: We've had great fans turnout to come out watch training camp. Um,

760
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: just like I did when when you were playing. And

761
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: well yeah, I guess when you were playing. But even

762
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: when I worked training camp, but before that, we would

763
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: go out, even when it was at Niagara when I

764
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: was a little kid, we watch training camps. We have

765
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: a great set up here where kids can do that too,

766
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: So I like to like to set up. I just

767
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: was driving around Niagara the other day and told my

768
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: my wife, I said, that's where the Bills used to practice.

769
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: She said what I said, Yeah, they practice right there.

770
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm a snow fence around that field right there, Yeah,

771
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: right from Niagara, Differentia. Let's talk about your Buffalo background.

772
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: You're coming back. You're bringing your team back, right. Schedules

773
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: not out yet, but we know the Chargers are coming

774
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: to Orchard Park to play a game. Right. Yeah? It

775
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: cost you some money? Yeah? How many ticket have you?

776
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Already started getting feelers and as it comes out, I

777
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: let my dad take care of that. But I'll pay

778
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: that any day of the week. I mean not very

779
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: often you come back to your hometown as a general

780
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: manager of a football team. It's it's it's a great

781
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: second time you've done that, right, Maybe that this will

782
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: be the third third, which we're two and oh so

783
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: they go, yeah, keep that up, she's got to go.

784
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: What did you get out of the Saint Francis at

785
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: All Springs experience that that you even carry with you

786
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: now today. Do you ever refer back to those days? Oh? Probably?

787
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, playing football there for Jerry Smith

788
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: and John Shabetta, I learned a lot. I mean it's

789
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: and I was more of a We're a basketball kid

790
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: growing up until I got to my freshman year of

791
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: high school and played football. Didn't really think much of it.

792
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: And after my first year, I just loved it, loved

793
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: the game. Learned so much from them. But you know,

794
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: the physical toughness, the mental toughness, the team work, all

795
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: that stuff that that you all carry that with you

796
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: all the way through life. Whether I went into play

797
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: to work in football or not, you know, all those

798
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: things that teammates have had. You know, it was a

799
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: great experience. I bet um. I think that's where you

800
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: came into contact with the guy important to your career,

801
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: Bill Polian. Yes, what does he meant to your career?

802
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: And do you ever talk to Bill much? Oh? Yeah,

803
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: you now, we still stay in touch. I still stay

804
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: in touch with the son, Chris. I worked with Chris

805
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: with the long time too. So now I learned all

806
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: my exes and ohs from my high school coaches and

807
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: my college coaches. But everything as far as building a

808
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: football team, roster management, building the culture, working with coaches

809
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and trainers, equipment, everything all came from Bill and from Chris.

810
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I learned everything from them. Here. We're all kind of

811
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: a you know, wherever we taught whoever were taught to from,

812
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, from growing up. Um, you know, I learned

813
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: from them. And obviously he's in the Hall of Fame.

814
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: So it works. So we're so the league, it continues

815
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: to evolve. In the league that your general manager in

816
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: is much different than the one Bill was ye just

817
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years ago. So what's the next step. And

818
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: we've got this now, we've got the coaches challenge that

819
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: they're kind of iffy about it, you know, with the

820
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: API OPI, DPI. Where's the league evolving? Two in your eyes?

821
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: But the one thing I can't imagine Bill walking through

822
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: this area with all this media at the combine. I mean,

823
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: this has changed dramatically just since when I started. But

824
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: as far as the leads, concerned. Yeah, the one thing

825
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about this week is is the is the

826
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: replay m didn't really turn out the way I think

827
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: people expect to turn out this past year. So there'll

828
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: be big discussions this week and then I'll be another

829
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: big thing is is the CBA as far as where

830
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: is that. Is there going to be extensions or not?

831
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: Um that actually means a lot to dust as far

832
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: as our planning even for this year. It'll be a

833
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of talks there, but just trying to grow the

834
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: game and try and you know, it's very competitive. We

835
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: know it's fast, there's collisions involved, you know there's gonna

836
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: be technology involved with replay, but we got to get

837
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: it right. It can work right. Steve and I made

838
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: a deal when we begin our show a little while ago,

839
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: we can't complain too much media at the combine because

840
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: we're at the combint. Look at all the people were

841
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: on now, it's amazing. How does it change in twenty years? Yeah,

842
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: it's still is It is still His score is still

843
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: football though, right, I mean you still it's still it's

844
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: about medicals and about interviews, looking the guys in the eyes.

845
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: He had the right guy. Our job hasn't changed at

846
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: all at the combine, but everything else around it has

847
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Speaker 1: great scene. Thanks, thanks, thanks for doing this. Tom Tolesco,

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Speaker 1: general manager of the Los Angeles Charger. Steve and I

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Speaker 1: back with more One Bill's Life, presented by Kalida Health

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine and Indie. This is Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. We are back at the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. John Murphy and Steve Tans you're good to

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Speaker 1: talk with Tom Tolesco. Love that guy. I love the

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Speaker 1: fact that exactly and he gets it, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's and all the stuff that's going on and all

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Speaker 1: the you know, celebrity watching it the combine, killing it

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Speaker 1: out in La. Well is he you were down on

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Speaker 1: the Chargers for the most twelve games two years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think I said that two weeks ago to

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Speaker 1: killing you were killing him, not him, but the charge.

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Speaker 1: He's great. They're for real great. Yeah. We're here until

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Speaker 1: three today. We got Brandon Mean coming up at one

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Speaker 1: o'clock today from the combine. We got the former Giants GM,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ross on the show with us A two. Mandy

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Speaker 1: Glam's joining us at to thirty. We got a Twitter

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Speaker 1: pole up today and you can weigh in on this

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Speaker 1: on the Twitter side today. Give us your answer to

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Speaker 1: this question. It kind of deals with where we're at

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Speaker 1: in the NFL schedule. Let me fire it up here.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest challenge for the Bills this offseason? What

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Speaker 1: should they be looking to do here at the combine?

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Speaker 1: What do you think should they draft well to Phil

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Speaker 1: needs to challenge right, especially when you're twenty second and

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Speaker 1: the draft? Should they find offensive playmakers in free agency?

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Speaker 1: Don't let defense? Regrets? Keep it strong? Is it something else?

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Speaker 1: Give us a call. We got three hundred twenty six

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Speaker 1: votes in so far, and thirty three percent of you

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Speaker 1: say the first one and the third one draft well,

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Speaker 1: don't let defense. Twenty nine percent say find offensive playmak

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Speaker 1: find offensive playmakers in free agency? Five percent have something else.

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Speaker 1: In Twitter poll, I guess I don't understand it. Why, Um,

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Speaker 1: what can I explain? Please help me out, Jay and

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Speaker 1: I it kind of got away from me and now

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Speaker 1: I wish I would have. Well, here's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: want to all of this stuff. The biggest challenge or

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Speaker 1: for the bigger the biggest thing, the biggest challenge for

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Speaker 1: those this offseason making sure Josh Allen is best. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that could be the other Yeah, and we we thought

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Speaker 1: about that, and that's the biggest But here's one of

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Speaker 1: the things I hate putting Josh in every single Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll because and I told you this earlier. For me,

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Speaker 1: everything still revolves around how good he can get. Um,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have one of those guys. And the better

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Speaker 1: he is, the less of all this other stuff you need.

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Speaker 1: The better he is, the more the more you get

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Speaker 1: out of the wide receiving corp you've already got on

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Speaker 1: the roster. The better he is, the better the run

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Speaker 1: game is gonna be. The better he is, the better

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Speaker 1: offensive line is going to be. He can elevate the

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Speaker 1: play of everything else. And the better the more points

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Speaker 1: they can score, the less elite your defense has to be.

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Speaker 1: But until he proves it, all these other things are

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Speaker 1: more important for this team than they've ever been, or

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Speaker 1: as important as anything else on this team. And you

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Speaker 1: look at like to see in this poll. Don't let

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Speaker 1: the defense regrets. You gotta keep it strong. As long

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Speaker 1: as this defense is as hard to score on as

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Speaker 1: it has been, Josh Allen can be about as good

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Speaker 1: as he has been, or if he can get a

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Speaker 1: little better. They're good enough. They're ten and six, and

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Speaker 1: they're a handful in the playoffs. That's where you want

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Speaker 1: to be every single year. If you want to find

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Speaker 1: playmakers on offense in free agency, a lot of it

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Speaker 1: does depend on Josh Allen's ability to get the ball

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Speaker 1: to them. Now, certainly, if it's a running back, he

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Speaker 1: can turn around and hand it off. But in the

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Speaker 1: passing game, we saw this, and I've said it before,

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Speaker 1: Josh needs to be efficient, more efficient, and they've got

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Speaker 1: enough talent the way it is, So anytime you put

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen in this, whether you like him or whether

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Speaker 1: you hate him, it still comes down to how the

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Speaker 1: quarterback plays. I guess, well, why isn't he in there

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Speaker 1: if that's the most important thing, because that's because that's

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Speaker 1: a given. Well, it's not really the teams. It's for

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Speaker 1: you can the team's gonna try and help him, and

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Speaker 1: that all these things are their job to try and

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Speaker 1: help him do this. The offensive playmakers, they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the draft well to fill all these ye playmakers in

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Speaker 1: the draft or free agency. It just says the draft well,

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Speaker 1: draft well to Phil needs. But here's the thing. The

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Speaker 1: free agency comes before the draft. I have questions about

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Speaker 1: this Twitter poll. I know you do. You're forever. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying up two s No. I don't always question it.

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Speaker 1: This one. I question this is a good Twitter poll, man, Okay?

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Speaker 1: Thirty four point four percent, thirty one point three, thirty

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Speaker 1: three point one percent, twenty nine percent. I think there's

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Speaker 1: conclusion about this Twitter poll, like what are they ask you?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a well well

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Speaker 1: crafted Twitter pole. Give us a call, let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think. Eight fifty toll free one eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty. Send it a tweet

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Speaker 1: for the tweet sheet will read those later on and

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Speaker 1: if you can decipher the Twitter poll, we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you about it. Yeah, we'll talk about whatever you'd like

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Speaker 1: to talk about. You're thinking too much, big man, overthinking it? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: what do you think because you think about it, that

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Speaker 1: all this stuff is important? I mean every because we've

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Speaker 1: seen at different times, particularly on this team, the way

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Speaker 1: it's currently constructed with this quarterback, all this stuff was

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Speaker 1: was crucial in their ability to win ten games this year. Crucial.

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Speaker 1: And you know when you think all the times where

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Speaker 1: you think man, I wish, you know, a playmaker on

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Speaker 1: the outside might have made a difference. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it would have or not, but man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: you're better with better players, and they've got a draft

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Speaker 1: some really good ones, and this draft is neck deep

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Speaker 1: in guys on the outside that can make a difference.

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Speaker 1: I can't and I can't wait to see the guy

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Speaker 1: they're gonna pick at twenty two. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be one of those wide receivers at this today. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think at this very moment. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the most important thing, but it may not be in

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Speaker 1: four weeks. I thought it was interesting that Tlesco's got

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Speaker 1: the sixth overall pick, and yeah, of course he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna telegraph what he's doing, but he wouldn't. I genuinely

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Speaker 1: felt he doesn't know what they're gonna do. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback where where their first round pick six

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Speaker 1: overall is going to be right, and we're kind of

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Speaker 1: you don't have to make an a decision till April

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Speaker 1: twenty third, White, would you announce the what your decision?

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Speaker 1: He acknowledged too that even to flip spots with with

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Speaker 1: the five spot or the four spot, or flip up

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Speaker 1: two spots to get up in the top four. It's

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Speaker 1: expensive even from the number five spot, it's really expensive.

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Speaker 1: So who falls him? You know, to attack of Aloa?

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Speaker 1: Certainly Joe Burrows probably not gonna fall. Maybe maybe they

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Speaker 1: like love that this quarterback here, this that looks like

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. You know he's a big, tall, strong athlete

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Speaker 1: who's raw. You know, maybe who knows, but he's got

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Speaker 1: You think it's tough at twenty two. How important is

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Speaker 1: that guy at number five? I mean, you gotta think

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna get a difference maker today. If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna draft at number five, you got and they got

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Speaker 1: to sell tickets in LA I mean that that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's some and silliary consideration. Do you want them? Do

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Speaker 1: you want to get a Marquis position or do you

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00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: want to get a guard who's going to go to

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? I don't know, you know, it

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Speaker 1: was good to talk to to LESCo though. We thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. We thank Charles Davis for joining

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Speaker 1: us and coming back. After the break. For the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour, we'll talk with the Bills General manager

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean Will get the Bill's perspective on the draft

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Speaker 1: and free agency and where their team is at with

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Speaker 1: Brandon bean Bill's GM, He's coming back when we returned.

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00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: We got two more hours ago. One of Doll's lives

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Speaker 1: presented by a lot of health from the NFL Scounting Combine,

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Speaker 1: an Indie. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Hello, Bills Radio

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Speaker 1: Networks Stories update the headlines from the Bills at the

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Speaker 1: NFL's Counting Combine in Indianapolis. The Bills are here. They're

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Speaker 1: meeting with prospects at night. Personnel folks and coaches attending

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Speaker 1: measurement meeting throughout the day. Bills not giving any clues

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Speaker 1: about their draft needs. It's believed they're focused on wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: Workout start here Thursday at four pm. Meantime, NFL owners

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Speaker 1: and players are meeting today on the Collective Bargaining Agreement,

1006
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Speaker 1: trying to drag an imperiled CBA across the finish line today.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll get something done this week. And the Competition

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Speaker 1: Committee has had a couple of days of meetings here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis reviewing the use of pass interference calls or

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Speaker 1: replay on pass interference calls. After two days of meetings,

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Speaker 1: not yet ready to recommend an end to the one

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Speaker 1: year experiment for the rule around the league. Cam Newton

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00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: making progress in his recovery from a foot injury. It'll

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Speaker 1: be several months before the quarterback will be game ready,

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Speaker 1: but the Panthers say they're encouraged by an impressed by

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Speaker 1: how Newton has handled his rehab process, and the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: tried to return to top form. The Dallas Cowboys executive

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Speaker 1: vice president Stephen Jones is confident a long term deal

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Speaker 1: can be worked out with quarterback daff Prescott before the

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Speaker 1: quarterback will need to get the franchise tag. And Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: one of the top quarterback prospects here at the combine,

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Speaker 1: rebuffed any notion today that he does not want this

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals the selective number one overall in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty draft. I'll play for whoever drafts me. Burrow said

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Speaker 1: he went through the measurements yesterday, his measurements taking on

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Speaker 1: his hands. His hand size reported at nine inches according

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Speaker 1: to ESPN, the smallest hand size in a long while

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Speaker 1: at the NFL scouting combine, so Burrow tweeted out, I'm

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Speaker 1: considering retirement now interesting. Chase Young is expected to be

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Speaker 1: the second overall pick pass rush specialists from Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: He will not work out at this week combine, He'll

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Speaker 1: be here for interviews and medical testing. Savers on their

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Speaker 1: way out west for a four game road trip. They

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Speaker 1: swung a pair of trade yesterday. First they acquired Wayne

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Speaker 1: Simmons from the New Jersey Devils. Then they pick up

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Speaker 1: Dominic Calhoun from the Pittsburgh Penguins. Now it's a four

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Speaker 1: game road trip out west, taking on the Colorado Avalanche

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night at eight pm. And that is the update

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Time. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to one of those library of the NFL's county Combine,

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Speaker 1: the indian Ambulists and joining in this right now. I

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Speaker 1: was Jill jenner Man that you're Brandon Bean. How are you,

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Speaker 1: Brandon doing well? Mister Tasker, Sir, when you shake his hand,

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Speaker 1: is propos you shake Mark. This is your season, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: This is your time of year? Yeah, it's fun. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know we're at the combine. Talk to you guys

1047
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Speaker 1: at Senior Bowl and you know some of the some

1048
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Speaker 1: of the guys and I enjoy meeting you know a

1049
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Speaker 1: lot of these players, you see them on tape all year.

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Speaker 1: Who's the man behind the helmet and just you know,

1051
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Speaker 1: get inside, what's their knowledge of the game, what's their passion? Uh?

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Speaker 1: These guys come from all different backgrounds and we know

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Speaker 1: that just from some of the guys that are on

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Speaker 1: our current team. UH, and how they get to the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And some guys have really overcome some great obstacles to

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00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: be where they're at today. And it's fun to hear

1057
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: their stories and get to know them and see if

1058
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: they would fit what we're trying to build. Buffalo, give

1059
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: us an idea of how deep a dive you'll go, particularly,

1060
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: you know, maybe last year when he had a top

1061
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: ten pick, um say you're thinking about it an Ed

1062
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: Oliver and you can you go back and do you have?

1063
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: You look at maybe players on your own team that

1064
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: have played with him, like in there at the end

1065
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: of their college care you call them say how how

1066
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: what do you think about Ed? And then call her

1067
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: college coaches obviously, and then they're what they're high school

1068
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: coaches and their science teacher. I mean, how deep you die?

1069
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: If you know what I'm saying, as as deep as

1070
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: you can with every guy. I mean, you know, one

1071
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: of the things we did back in December was I

1072
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: grabbed all the rookies from the schools that have guys

1073
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: coming out and just said, Hey, tell me your thoughts

1074
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: on this guy. Uh, does he work hard? You know

1075
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: what we're doing here, what he fit what we're doing.

1076
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: And we've done that the last couple of years just

1077
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, answer some questions from a

1078
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: teammate perspective, how they see the players. Honest, did anybody

1079
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: say no, not him, don't bring Yeah, there were some

1080
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: guys who's like, yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't like him. Um, So,

1081
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, most of the time it's it's generally pretty positive.

1082
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: But if there's a guy they're going, you know, he's

1083
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: always later, sometimes it's up to me the right question

1084
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: to ask him. Uh, you know, they're not gonna throw

1085
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: him under the bus, but you know, if they're not

1086
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: giving you a quick answer of positivity, there's probably something

1087
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: behind it. And then the thing that this is a

1088
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: general manager season, I mean, this is when you make

1089
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: your head. But you got a lot of you know,

1090
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things in the air to juggle. Yeah,

1091
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: this the combine you got the draft, you got free

1092
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: agency coming up, And I asked, you know the question

1093
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: how much I mean, this is a preparation for something

1094
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: that happens after free agency. So in a perfect world,

1095
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: and I asked Sean, this, what's the you know, what's

1096
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: the perfect effect that free agency can have on You're

1097
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: moving around and jumping up in the draft and needing

1098
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: a guy or not getting getting a guy. Yeah, I

1099
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: mean ideally, in a perfect world, free agency sets up

1100
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: for the draft to be able to not reach and

1101
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: not take, uh what you what you need, take what

1102
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: your board says you need to take for the best

1103
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: value of the player. And because you never go wrong

1104
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: drafting good football players. And that's what we have to remember. Um,

1105
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, every draft guru is always going to point

1106
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: to what they your perceived team needs are. And there

1107
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: are points in the draft where you do have to

1108
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: start drifting towards need. But I am of the opinion

1109
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: draft a good football player. That's what's gonna make you

1110
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: strong and the long. Because injuries happen in our game,

1111
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: So many things happen in our game to say oh

1112
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: we're set at this spot, that can change in an instant.

1113
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: So let's let's get good football players and we'll find

1114
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: spots for him again later in the draft. Steve, if

1115
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, if we haven't drafted a certain position and

1116
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: we still need a couple and we're there's no way

1117
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: this other position would make our roster anyway, then you

1118
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: start heading towards need and Brandon Money. Ask you about

1119
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: your work here this week. They've changed the schedule a

1120
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: little bit, working out players, and I guess the workouts

1121
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: at least televised workouts start Thursday night. But you're working now, right,

1122
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: you're doing what interviews and going to a couple of

1123
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: measurement sessions, right and yeah, yeah, so we start with highweight. Uh.

1124
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: They started at seven am, So there's three sessions that

1125
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: run till close to ten where we see these guys

1126
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: by position weighing in and then uh, there's interviews throughout

1127
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: the day due to this new schedule. UM more of

1128
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: them the first couple of days or at night, so

1129
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: we were interviewing h our last guy finished about Lemo

1130
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: five last night interviews. These are the twenty minute you

1131
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: get eighteen uh, and you know they have to depend

1132
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: on where the next location is. You can keep them

1133
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: from maybe nineteen. But they got to be able to

1134
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: be to their next team. Uh within twenty minutes. What

1135
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: are you looking for in those interviews? Yeah, so we'll

1136
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: watch film with these guys and just try and um,

1137
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: you know a lot of these guys are prepared with

1138
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: the canned answer as they go to these gurus and

1139
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: trying to help them. So we don't get into doing no,

1140
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: you won't. Hey, that's their job as an agent is

1141
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: to prepare your players. It's a job interview, and so

1142
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: we try to hit them with things for them other

1143
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: than two minutes of just getting to know you real quick. Uh.

1144
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: We try to hit them with things they can't expect.

1145
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Plays on film, things like this, what type of coverage

1146
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: is this? Uh? What was what did you guys call

1147
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: this play? What's the personnel? Just try and pick up

1148
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: what other knowledge things that they either know what or

1149
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: they don't. And they don't they don't know what plays

1150
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: we're bringing up and play of his team his plays,

1151
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: and uh, tell all right, do you know just what

1152
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: you're doing or do you know what point the laser on?

1153
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: What the you know? If you're a receiver, do you

1154
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: know what the tight ends doing? Do you know what

1155
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: the running backs doing. Some guys they can tell you

1156
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: what everybody's doing. Some guys only know what they're doing. Yeah,

1157
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: tell us to give us an idea too. About this

1158
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: is a different kind of year for you. Um, you're

1159
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: not rebuilding, you're kind of maintaining your You've got a

1160
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: roster now that's way more tough for these guys to

1161
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: make as a rookie. So you got you know, you

1162
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: got five picks in the fifth and sixth rounds. You know,

1163
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: a couple of years, you know, like an Austin Prole

1164
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: last year than they couldn't make the team. You know,

1165
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: they had to struggle to make the team. So you

1166
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: got all these picks in the later rounds on a

1167
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: team that's more difficult to make. How does that affect

1168
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, your ability to sit there and say, why,

1169
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, is it really going to matter the guy

1170
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: I picked? Because none of these guys may make our squad.

1171
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean that puts you in a weird spot that

1172
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: you haven't been in. Yeah, it's a it's a good

1173
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: problem to have. Our roster depth is getting uh much better,

1174
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: um from from where we were in seventeen. And to

1175
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: your point, you do have to ask those questions. I

1176
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: think we'll truly know how deep this draft is for

1177
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: the Bills because everybody's got their own board in April,

1178
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: once the medicals finalize, once we've you know, met a

1179
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: lot of these guys here, once we've gone to some

1180
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: pro days to get around some more guys, watch their testing,

1181
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: do more interviews, and we'll narrow our board down and

1182
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: we'll see where the depth of the draft is in

1183
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: our mind. How many guys do we think truly have

1184
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: first round value? How many do we think have second

1185
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: Is the value of the draft in the in the top,

1186
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: is it in the middle or is it late? And

1187
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: that should determine where we need to use our assets.

1188
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: If it's in the middle, let's just say the value

1189
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: is in the third, third round. Let's say that we

1190
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot, then we should be

1191
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: trying to move up at you know, from the fourth

1192
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: and fifth if we can, and maybe there's some spots

1193
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: in the second that we say, you know what, we're

1194
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: gonna get just as good a player in the third,

1195
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: let's move back and accumulate a pick. So that's how

1196
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: I operate as far as moving up moving back, I

1197
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: want I ask you another question about interviews that you'll

1198
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: be doing this week. Do you have a I know,

1199
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: and every interview would be different, but do you have

1200
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: a money question? Do you have like a go to

1201
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: question that you might ask every player because you know

1202
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: what you're looking for from that With that answer, yeah,

1203
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and what is that question? Not specific? We

1204
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: I try and open it up with a few things.

1205
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: If it's an underclassman, you know, maybe, um, what was

1206
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: your reason for coming out early? And just just to

1207
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: hear it. Everybody's got different reasons. If it's another guy,

1208
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: maybe you know guy from Texas and he's going to school, Um,

1209
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: you know on the East coast, how'd you end up

1210
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: at you know, Kentucky, you know from Texas or something

1211
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: like that. What was the Oh, well, I was recruited

1212
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: by this guy at Texas A and M. But he

1213
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: took the job at Kentucky and he was my recruiter,

1214
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: so I went there, you know, or or my dad

1215
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: played there. Um, just to kind of loosen them up

1216
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: for a minute, but um, there's some different things based

1217
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: on their responses. You know, a lot of the way

1218
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: I the meeting is for the position coach, maybe the

1219
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: coordinator too, to interact with him a lot, and let

1220
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: me watch that, and and Sean and you know, and

1221
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: anybody else, and maybe if there's something that we think

1222
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: the position coach should go a little deeper on, I'm

1223
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: gonna jump in right there and say, all right, tell

1224
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: me a little bit more about right, you know, exer

1225
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: Steve had we're talking to the car coming down here

1226
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: the other day. There must be red flags, like you

1227
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: hear an answer like just qualifying wrong answer? Yeah, well

1228
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: that's funny. Uh. We had a guy yesterday who was um,

1229
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: he didn't know personnel and it wasn't his fault. The

1230
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: school didn't teach him personnel, but he's been trying to

1231
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: learn it, and so you know, he asked him, hey,

1232
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: what's that personnel group? Uh? That's ten, um, and all right, well,

1233
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: how are you getting a ten? Like what? So? What

1234
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: does ten? What does ten personnel mean? Do you? And

1235
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: he starts setting out, well, it's one and then there's

1236
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: one tight end and then like no, no, no, no, no,

1237
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: let let's start over all right, add it up? All right,

1238
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: so what would what would eleven be? What would you know?

1239
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: We had to straighten him out, and he based came

1240
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: around and said, you know, he was bsing it right.

1241
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: He has been learning. His school didn't teach him that.

1242
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: They just taught him which side of the formation to

1243
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: be on and what they called it. So you can't

1244
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: blame the kid. It doesn't mean he can't learn or

1245
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: doesn't know. It's you know, that's part of what we

1246
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: have to figure out in this process. Does a kid

1247
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: not know something because he couldn't learn it, or does

1248
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: he not know it because the school didn't ask him to.

1249
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing that you mentioned in one of

1250
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: your previous answers is you evaluate the total draft and

1251
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: find out how deep the NFL kids go and whoever,

1252
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: and the guys behind that or guys who will not

1253
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: be NFL players, And that's how you define whether as

1254
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: to whether you keep all your picks and get as

1255
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: many as you can because there's going to be that

1256
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: many NFL players, or you trade him away and try

1257
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: and get more high picks to get into the NFL

1258
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of level of athlete in this draft. So this

1259
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: draft is different than last year's draft, and this draft

1260
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: will be different the next year's draft, and that depends

1261
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: and that kind of sets your philosophy of whether you

1262
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: want to cast a wide ye and get as many

1263
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: guys and knowing you're gonna hit on a certain percentage

1264
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: or throw away some picks knowing that down there they're

1265
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: not going to have a chance. You want to get

1266
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: higher into the draft right your spot on. And part

1267
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: of it will be what's the depth of the positions,

1268
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: and then that will partly determine free agency if if

1269
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: we if there's a position we think we need to

1270
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: address and it looks very thin in the draft, that's

1271
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: one I should probably prioritize in free agency because I'm

1272
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna have limited options and it's applying demand. If there's

1273
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: only X number at this position in the draft, guess

1274
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: what they're probably other people are gonna have those needs.

1275
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna get drafted a little higher than their

1276
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: value is. So you never you want to avoid That

1277
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it never happens. But so part of this

1278
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: process is to know before free agency starts next month

1279
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: is how deep is this draft truly at you know,

1280
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: the running back, the receiver, the offensive tackle, the you know,

1281
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: offensive center, defensive end. How across the board, where's the

1282
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: depth of the draft. And then as we get closer,

1283
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: round by round, you know where is the value of

1284
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: my picks. Do I need to be moving up? Do

1285
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: I need to say WHOA, there's gonna be a lot

1286
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: of value mid Let's don't be so aggressive early. Let's

1287
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: let's back down with random being the Bills general manager

1288
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: here at the NFL scounting combine the general belief. The

1289
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: consensus is this is a deep draft for wide receivers.

1290
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? I do. It seems it seems,

1291
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, pretty deep. It seemed that way all

1292
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: fall And there's nothing to me to this point. Obviously,

1293
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: I haven't met a lot of them yet. I've met

1294
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: a few, uh in the Senior Bowl, and a few

1295
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: here already through some of the interviews, but uh, still

1296
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: more to meet, and even the ones we won't meet,

1297
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: we'll try to get to pro days and get around.

1298
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: It changes, as you just said, that changes your strategy

1299
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: right going into the draft. It definitely does. Um, you know,

1300
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: the one other pieces, the medical piece. I'll circle up

1301
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: with our docs when we get back. The final medical

1302
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: stuff is a little bit later, but they can usually

1303
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: give me some preliminary Hey, fy, what do you on

1304
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: this guy? Because they don't know where I have this

1305
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: player Sometimes they'll tell me a player and he you know,

1306
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to have a surgery here in a

1307
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and he's not on my board, and

1308
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, but sometimes it'll be you know, I got

1309
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: the guy sitting in the second round on my board

1310
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, we got more work to do.

1311
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: He's coming back for the medical recheck. Um just so

1312
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we may not you may not

1313
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: be comfortable with drafting him in the sacond round because

1314
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: of X. Right. And then let me get through a

1315
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: couple other positions. Edge rushers, pass rush specialists. This a

1316
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: deep draft for them? Is that something you would look

1317
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: at you thinker, Yeah, I think there's there's some guys there.

1318
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: I do. I don't know if I want to call

1319
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: it deep, but I do think there's some players. The

1320
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: thing about the edge rushers is, you know, we run

1321
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: a four to three. There's three four, um so some

1322
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: guys can play both. Uh, some guys. You know, our

1323
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: guys are generally gonna have their hand the dirt most

1324
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: of the time, not you know, not all the times.

1325
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes we brought Lorenzo and he didn't necessarily have his

1326
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: but um so we gotta make sure if it's a

1327
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: true four three d n or is this a guy

1328
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: that can play some stack linebacker like Lorenzo, but also

1329
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: give us some pass rushing. So we gotta make sure

1330
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: we don't draft a non fit. So there will be

1331
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: some rushers. There's there's always some three four rushers that

1332
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: are going to go higher than we have them valued

1333
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: because you don't use them, because we don't use them

1334
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: that way. So we got to make sure we draft

1335
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: a player that fits what we're doing. So for our

1336
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't necessarily want to sit

1337
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: here and call it deep. Maybe in a few weeks

1338
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you different, but um, you know, wide receivers

1339
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: probably the one that is clearly the deepest. So you're

1340
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: talking about all these new shiny new toys and players

1341
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: that you're going to grab off the draft board, you

1342
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: also have some guys on your roster that are near

1343
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: and dear to your heart and who've proven that they're

1344
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: the kind of guys you want. So you gotta resign

1345
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: trede Avius. You got to think about Matt Milano. There's

1346
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: a starting a growing list of guys who you've brought

1347
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: in and this is the first time in your tenure

1348
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: here with Buffalo that now you guys start thinking about

1349
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: resigning your own guys who have proven that they're the

1350
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: exact guys you thought they were when you drafted them.

1351
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: Now what you're wanting on what you're philosophy and where's

1352
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: that process? Yeah, I mean at this point of the year, Steve,

1353
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: we want to draft, develop, and sign our own. That's

1354
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: the goal. Now. In any negotiation, it takes two and

1355
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: you got to make sure that the player and his

1356
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: agent do they want to be here? And then be

1357
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: do they see your market value where we see your

1358
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: market value? And there's been guys in all through my

1359
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: history that and we tried like heck to resign them,

1360
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: but we could never agree on how they saw his

1361
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: value versus us. So you hope, you hope you can

1362
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: get as many of your guys that fit. And you

1363
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: know some of the names you mentioned or your spot

1364
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: on that's why you know people say, oh, you got

1365
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: eighty million or whatever is being put out there. Well,

1366
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: we still have to save money for our own It's

1367
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, we can't just go out and spend crazy

1368
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: and free agency and then watch our own guys walk out.

1369
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: The door. And it's also not just twenty twenty. I

1370
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: have to have my eye on twenty twenty one, in

1371
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and the guys that are coming up

1372
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: in those and we can't spend it full and then

1373
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: expect to have money for those guys, because if you

1374
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: do that, you're gonna end up cutting guys that you

1375
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: don't want to to then sign and save some of

1376
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: these other guys. Branny, how much, if at all, a

1377
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: factor is the potential new CBA when you look down

1378
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: the road at signing some of these free agents. Yeah,

1379
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, um, I think agents are more paying attention

1380
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: to it than us. You know, I'm just gonna until

1381
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: there is a new deal and we find out something,

1382
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to operate as if it's status quo, because

1383
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: until something's done, you know, it's it's in the what

1384
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: if territory. Yeah. I do think there's agents though, that

1385
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: are trying to wait and see, Okay, is the cap

1386
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: going to go up because of this? Is there going

1387
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: to be more than they expected? I think there's some

1388
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: unanswered questions that guys are don't want to leave money

1389
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: on the table, so to speak. So there haven't been

1390
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of agreements. And it's a little bit different

1391
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: for the agents than it is for you guys, because

1392
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: the agents they're kind of in their own little world

1393
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: out there in each on their own little general contractor

1394
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: you guys. Once the thing is set, the legal give

1395
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: you guys a power point and here's what it means,

1396
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: and they'll bring you up to stuff real quick all together. Yeah, right,

1397
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: And so the agents kind of have to do it

1398
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: on their own, kind of read it and have it

1399
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: looked at and what do you think and what's this mean?

1400
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: And you guys as a league are more cohesive than

1401
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: that and can get and can you know, you can

1402
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: wait till it's all done and say, okay, guys, here's

1403
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: what it is. And you know you don't get a piecemeal. Yeah,

1404
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: I think the league's done trying to do a good job.

1405
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: We go to a labor seminar in Dallas in December,

1406
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, and there it's usually updates of new new

1407
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: not playing rules but off the field rules and salary

1408
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: cap things and how things are going to count on

1409
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: this and and so this year in December they did

1410
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,959
Speaker 1: kind of school us up on some of the things

1411
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: that if if we do go into the last year

1412
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: the CBA. This will be a little bit different because

1413
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: it is the last year versus some of the things

1414
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: that could pop up if there's a new CBA, and

1415
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: that could affect you. But there's nothing right now that

1416
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: would prevent us from signing someone you know, as our

1417
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: own player or heading into free agency. Now. I'm looking

1418
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: for an update on a couple of guys here, one

1419
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: of them Jordan Phillips, who last time we heard from you,

1420
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: I think was the end of the year, might have

1421
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: been senior role. You can almost encourage him to take

1422
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: a look around and see what you're value is. So

1423
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: you're still in that mode with him, if your hand

1424
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: and he talks with him. Yeah, We've talked to his

1425
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: agent m several times, and I think what we had determined,

1426
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: you know when I said that is, you know, I

1427
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: talked to the agents during the year, and you know,

1428
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: we check in and some agents do a great job

1429
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: of check in, how's my guy doing. I'm watching games,

1430
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: Is he doing what he's supposed to do on the field,

1431
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, off the field and things like that, and

1432
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: and so you know, his agent no different, had a

1433
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: lot of good conversations and he represents other players on

1434
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: our team. So it's not like we hadn't talked in

1435
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: six months and all of a sudden we pick up

1436
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: the phone. This is one of those things that we

1437
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,479
Speaker 1: just we kind of felt all along that Jordan's earned

1438
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: the right and so I was kind of repeating what

1439
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: his group and what we kind of thought. He's earned

1440
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: the right to find out what his market is and see,

1441
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: you know where it goes. I mean, I think he

1442
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: was looking at that last year, but it was a

1443
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: little bit unproven. So we brought him back on the

1444
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: one year deal to to go out and it was

1445
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: a prove it deal. And you want to talk about

1446
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: taking advantage of a prove it deal, Jordan did that. So, UM,

1447
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: we love Jordan. I love Jordan. I'm a big fan

1448
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: of Jordan. Uh. Would I love get him back, Yes,

1449
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's got to be right for all of us, um,

1450
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: for what we're doing. And so um if he if

1451
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: he leaves us, I'll be the first guy to wish him.

1452
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: But um, at the same time, maybe we get him back.

1453
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: You know as well, what about Shack Lawson. Yes, Uh,

1454
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, Shack, we didn't extend you know,

1455
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: the fifth year option, but one of the things. Called

1456
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: and talked to him the day we did it and said, Shack,

1457
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: this does not mean we don't want you here. Okay, uh,

1458
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: this is just where we're at today. And you got

1459
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: another year to go out and prove it to us

1460
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: and thirty one other teams. Um, you know what you

1461
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: can do on tape. And so I was very pleased

1462
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: with Shack how he played this year, and and thought

1463
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: he did take a nice you know step forward and

1464
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: on the field, off the field, all of that. And

1465
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: he is a guy that you know when when we

1466
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: first got here, I wasn't quite sure in twenty seventeen

1467
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: if he was gonna buy in. And I owe him

1468
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: a lot. And I'm sure Sean would echo that that

1469
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: he's grown. He's grown up. He's grown up. That's the

1470
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: fun stories when guys maybe they weren't exactly what you want,

1471
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: and when you when you got to a spot or

1472
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: when you got them in your hands. If it's a

1473
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: player you drafted, we didn't draft Shack, and so I

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01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: think people thought we're just trying to get rid of

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: people that we didn't draft. That's not the case. We

1476
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: kept working with him, and he kept working and h

1477
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: kudos to Shack for where he has come in his career,

1478
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he is a free agent. His agents

1479
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: are going to do the same thing and hopefully we

1480
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: can get him back. Yeah, he seems to be one

1481
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: of those guys you rarely see. A lot of guys

1482
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: are up and down a little bit. They're second years

1483
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: a little better or maybe a little worse if they

1484
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: have a really nice rookie year and they kind of

1485
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: stare step it along like up and down. Shack has

1486
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: really elevated every year, although incrementally he has never really

1487
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: taken that step back. He has gotten better and better,

1488
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: and you'd like to see a guy like him, you know,

1489
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: you'd like to see him have like Jordan Phillips numbers

1490
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: maybe nine and a half sacks or whatever. But he

1491
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: also upgraded his play in the run game as well,

1492
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: and he seemed to be a three down guy. Um,

1493
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd have said that earlier in

1494
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,959
Speaker 1: his career. Yeah. I think he's definitely improved his pass rush.

1495
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's a very good run player, and so

1496
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: that's that's what he's had that all along. I think

1497
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: continuing to improve his pass rushing and I really think

1498
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: him coming back, and and if Jordan comes back, and

1499
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: the guys that are definitely coming back, adding Eric Washington.

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if you guys got into

1501
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: that with Shawn at all, but I don't know if

1502
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: you guys have met Eric Washington, but he is a

1503
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: really good defensive line coach, and I think you guys

1504
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: will see that he's going to really improve what we've

1505
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: got there and helped the group as a whole. Two

1506
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: quick questions for you. And I know what you said,

1507
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: and I believe what you said about getting to the

1508
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: draft and not looking to have to fill spots because

1509
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: you filled in well with free agency, But is there

1510
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: a type of player that you look for in free agency?

1511
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: Maybe a prototype, may be an experience prototype or something

1512
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: you're looking for in free agency as opposed to the draft. Yeah,

1513
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking for damn good players. Yeah, But

1514
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: beyond that, uh, you know how Sean and I feel

1515
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: about culture and fit and so any guy that we

1516
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: bring in here and reward with a nice contract, that

1517
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: sends a message chart locker room that this is the

1518
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: player we want, so on the field and off the field,

1519
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: so we've the best we can. We've got to put

1520
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: the facts together who this player, who this person is

1521
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: from what we knew when he came out in the draft,

1522
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: to maybe people who have been around him, other coaches,

1523
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: other players, scouts that we know, do our own recon

1524
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: It's a little harder than the draft because the draft

1525
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: you got you get your hands on these guys. A

1526
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: lot of these guys in free agency, they've been gone

1527
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: for four years, you know, playing for different coaches. Um,

1528
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 1: So we have to kind of put um, you know,

1529
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: our a's and you know bees together and see what

1530
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: we can come up with to who they are. And again,

1531
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: we want some really good players, but we also want

1532
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: to make sure they fit in our locker room. It's

1533
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: really hard. It's almost harder to scout the pro players

1534
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: off the field than it is the college players. Right,

1535
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: Definitely it is because guys come out and we just

1536
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: talked about Shack Lawson and can be molden. If Shack

1537
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: Lawson was in a place that was dysfunctional, and we

1538
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: know there are dysfunctional places, if he was in one

1539
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: of those places, what would that have done to him? Right?

1540
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: And so you have to look at where this players

1541
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: coming from. What was he coming out? Has he been

1542
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: in a place that you have, man, that place really

1543
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: develops people and develops players, and guys that we've had

1544
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: before from there really are great pros. So I trust

1545
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: this or on the end versus man, I've gotten a

1546
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: couple of players out of there, and it's been bad

1547
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: every time. You know, I'm a little hesitant. I swear

1548
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 1: this is my last question. We had a show a

1549
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We had Who's got the biggest

1550
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: to do list this offseason? In the Acast? Patriots, Jets, Dolphins, Bills.

1551
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: We didn't even think about you, But then as we

1552
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: got going along, we got thinking, well, the Bills got

1553
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do this offseason just to

1554
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: make the step from ten wins to twelve or thirteen.

1555
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: You got a lot of work to do, right, I

1556
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: got the biggest to do list I can. I got

1557
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: more work to do than any of those guys. And

1558
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: it's almost easier to be a bad team and get better, right.

1559
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. At the end of the day, I

1560
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: feel like we're the worst team every day. So I

1561
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: don't know if that's just how I'm wired or what,

1562
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm screwed up, but I just I feel

1563
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: like there's a mountain sometimes only that we gotta make

1564
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: this move. We gotta get this done. We gotta get

1565
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: this player we signed, we gotta get You know, there's

1566
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: players that I see we're drafting at twenty two that

1567
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm going, Man, how is this guy gonna get to us? Man?

1568
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: What he could do for us if I could get him.

1569
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 1: So it's hard to sleep these days between now and April.

1570
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: Just my mind won't slow down. But it's exciting for

1571
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: our organization where we're at, and I'm looking forward to

1572
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: what we can do this offseason. Last question for me,

1573
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: how soon, and maybe they've already started happening. How soon

1574
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: do you does the phone start ringing about teams in

1575
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: their desire and willingness to move around in the draft

1576
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: in the top of the first round. How soon do

1577
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: those phone calls start happening? Yeah, I mean I think

1578
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: never say never here, but I think owners meetings is

1579
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: when that will start happening. You'll have somebody saddle up

1580
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: to you and say hey, Because by then you've been

1581
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: to a lot of Pro days, you've been to the Combine,

1582
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: you've been around these players and teams have maybe started

1583
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: to fall in love with a guy um. I had

1584
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: a team approach me um at Alabama's pro day last

1585
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: year and said, hey, we're down below you. We think

1586
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a player there that we like, and

1587
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: we think that's gonna be the sweet spot. And you

1588
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: know they they still called me on draft day, but

1589
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: Ed was there, so I wasn't. I wasn't moving back.

1590
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: But it's always great if you've got a couple of

1591
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: guys that you're targeting to also have someone in your

1592
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: hip pocket. That says, if you don't have a guy

1593
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: you're targeting, uh, you can call us. We'll take your

1594
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: pick and move back. Well, here's my who are you

1595
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: going to sidle up to drafted to say there's a

1596
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: guy there's a sweet spot up there that we might

1597
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: want to get to. I'm not a trader. I like

1598
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: to just sit right while I'm at every round and

1599
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: take every pick. So, uh, my nose growing. Thank You're

1600
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: a great senior, Brandon. Have a great week, Brandon being

1601
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: the Bills GM. We're back with morn a Moment one

1602
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 1: Bills Live from U the NFL Scouting Combine. This is

1603
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back. That was Brandon being Bills

1604
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 1: General Manager. A long conversation, but a good conversation with

1605
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: the GM. Didn't you think, Steve, I didn't still awake.

1606
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: I did think it was a very good conversation. I've

1607
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: got through a lot of stuff and it's fun because

1608
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: you can feel you and I talked to these guys

1609
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: once in a while. We have them on the show,

1610
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: particularly during the season once and you can always tell

1611
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: when you're at the combine, man that they just there's

1612
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: just the edges off, you know. I'm not saying they

1613
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 1: don't have their guard up and they just you know,

1614
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: it's just like casual conversation. But it is a different

1615
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: attitude they have coming to this combine. There a different

1616
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: mental spot than they are in the ragular season. It's

1617
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: really fun to get a chance to talk to him

1618
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: in that and with that in mind, Yeah, yeah, it

1619
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: was really a lot of good things to say, um,

1620
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: including the fact that he has to talk with Jordan

1621
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: Phillips agents, so there is still interest there. I guess

1622
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: probably on both parts right, and he's I don't think

1623
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: he's going to be you know, crest fallen if they

1624
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: don't get Jordan Phillips signed, but at least there's interest

1625
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: there and it's probably a smart way to do it.

1626
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: We check. We had somebody call up the show a

1627
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. What's he worth? You know, interior, defensive

1628
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: lineman and spot track. Uh, Mike Jannetti, his really great

1629
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: website says he's worth about six million a year. Yeah, yeah,

1630
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 1: for three year deal for eighteen million. And here's the thing.

1631
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: He may get ten over a year, over three years

1632
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 1: or whatever, but it's gonna be a longer term contract

1633
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: than a one year deal, proved deal that he got

1634
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: from the Bills and and and had his foot on

1635
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: the gas, no question. He was really a good player

1636
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: this last year and took a step up statistically, and

1637
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: the Bills to their credit. And I I think that

1638
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: word will get around like this too, that if they

1639
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: tell you you're gonna they'll give you a chance to

1640
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: be a free agent. If you prove it to them,

1641
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: they do it. I mean they they have kept their

1642
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: word to Jordan Phillips, are given him a chance to

1643
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: see what he's worth on the open market, and they've

1644
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: treated him in such a way as to let him

1645
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: know and give him the willingness to say I'm gonna

1646
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: go out and find out what I'm worth and then

1647
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 1: come back to the Bills and say, what do you

1648
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: think can you match it in the bill and they'll

1649
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: have a conversation about it. That's that's a really good

1650
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: way to run the show that Buffalo has done, particularly

1651
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: in the case of Jordan Phillips. At this point, I

1652
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: think Brandon's comments on Shack Lawson were interesting too. Right,

1653
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: love Shack laws Right. He says, I'll be the first

1654
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: one to pay him on the back if he gets

1655
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: another job, but they hope he comes back. But again,

1656
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: another guy who has gotten, as you point out, marginally

1657
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: better every year, right, has earned the right to test

1658
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: his market value on the free agency market, and we'll see.

1659
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: I think check Lawson would love to come back here

1660
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: and be an important part of the Bill's defensive line. Case,

1661
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: a former number one draft pick, and that's still that's

1662
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: still on his as a may that's still I think

1663
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: in some GM's mind, if not every GM's mind, that

1664
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: still counts for something. The guy who had some measurables

1665
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: and some things going for him coming out of college.

1666
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: And it's also an interesting question you had Murph about,

1667
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: you know, you get these free agents and Brandon alluded

1668
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: to it. You saw him four years ago and now

1669
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: who are they? Have they changed? What's been the difference?

1670
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: What do we know about them then or what tells

1671
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: about us now? And what will it tell about us

1672
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: about them going forward? And I think it's hard to

1673
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: extrapolate that in some cases, but Jordan Phillips and Shack

1674
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: Lawston certainly fall into that category, and teams are gonna

1675
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: reevaluate them and their willingness to or their ability to

1676
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: help them a lot of good things from Brandon Bean

1677
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 1: the interview we did with them today, and they'll be

1678
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: up on the website later today. You check it out there.

1679
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 1: A couple got interesting comments on Twitter about the interview.

1680
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: David Polito says, I wonder if Brandon Bean feels the

1681
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: Bills needs some star power to get to the next level,

1682
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 1: maybe time for a trade or a free agent signing

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: for a legitimate NFL star. I don't think that's in

1684
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: his I don't think that's in his mind at all.

1685
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he looks at stars. We need a

1686
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: star on this team. I think he's looking for producers.

1687
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: If they become a star, that's fine, but they don't

1688
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 1: have to be a star when you sign them, typically,

1689
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: don't you kind of overpay for stars? Don't you typically

1690
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: have to pay for something they've already done rather than

1691
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: what you think they will do for you or what

1692
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: they will do for you. They're not trying to sell

1693
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: tickets or something. Yeah, I mean that's not an issue

1694
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: in in this team. It's always an issue, but it's

1695
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: not the overriding concern or the priority. I mean they

1696
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, you win ten games, that's what sells tickets.

1697
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: You win twelve games, that's what sells tickets. You get

1698
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 1: into make a playoff run, that's what sells tickets. And

1699
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: you don't want to Let's say they spent the last

1700
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: two and a half three years getting to a point

1701
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: where they've got money every off speeds off season to

1702
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: spend on. Who they need to spend it on, who

1703
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: they want to spend it on. They don't want to

1704
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: go back into what they the problems they just left,

1705
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 1: so they're not going to overspend for anybody. How about

1706
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: this comment from Brandon when I when I asked him,

1707
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: and it just struck me in the last month about

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get from ten wins to

1709
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen or deep lay off contention. He said, Yeah,

1710
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: he said, I feel like I'm I'm handling a losing

1711
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: team here, right, So I think about it every day. Yeah.

1712
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had to be to that extreme,

1713
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: but I get what he That's where you want him though,

1714
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: that's where you want him. You want to say, I

1715
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: consider us to be a bad football team. I gotta

1716
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 1: get us better. That's where you want to be. Certainly,

1717
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: there's some pieces in place that they love Um and

1718
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: certainly some pieces in place that they're gonna have to

1719
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: start lining up. And you know, and you know, you

1720
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 1: got to think two years out, who's you know, who's

1721
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: gonna be Um in line? You know, to be one

1722
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: of those guys that hey wow, that guy got a

1723
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: second contract from Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean. That's that

1724
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: says something about the guy Um. And we've seen enough

1725
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: over the last two three years as to what kind

1726
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: of guy that's gonna be. Yep, it was good interview.

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: I think Race Sorgy does too. He tweets this and

1728
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: race Orgy that was an excellent interview. Being comes across

1729
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: as smart, honest, and confident. Makes me optimistic about the

1730
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: Bills present and the future. Yeah, me too, Race Orgy,

1731
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Our Twitter poll today deals with

1732
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: the Bills, their future and what their focus should be.

1733
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: Let's redo the Twitter poll for you here today as

1734
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: we look at what we got out there. What's the

1735
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 1: biggest challenge for the Bills this soft season? Is it

1736
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: drafting well to fill needs well? Thirty four percent of

1737
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: you say that's it got a draft well fill their needs.

1738
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 1: Thirty two percent of you say they gotta find offensive

1739
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: playmakers in free agency. Thirty percent of you say don't

1740
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: let the defense regress though, keep it strong. Four percent

1741
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: have something else in mind eight o three five fifty

1742
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five

1743
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 1: fifty give us a column, will discuss right. I don't

1744
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: know which one. I didn't even know which one I

1745
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: would vote for. Votes trying to figure out what the

1746
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: Twitter poll means. I voted for CE because all of

1747
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: a sudden they were they. You don't want to take

1748
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: a step back in any direct, in any part of

1749
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: your team. And the simple fact the matter as the

1750
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: defense was the engine that kind of carried the day

1751
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: this year, and I don't want to take a step

1752
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: back there I think I wanted to SA just as strong.

1753
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 1: I think every wanted to stay at top elite defense.

1754
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,560
Speaker 1: They were top three defense and just about every major category.

1755
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: They were great and you needed it. You needed it,

1756
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: So let's stay good there, right, That's what I because

1757
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: I think Josh is the most important thing in the

1758
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: off season. I get it. But I think I'll tell

1759
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: you this true for the team that's in this offseason,

1760
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of out of the team's hands. That's up

1761
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: to Josh and to go out with Jordan Palmer whoever.

1762
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: He has to get himself better, to do ever that

1763
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: he can to come back better this next year, and

1764
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: of course the team will. Their offense will evolve under

1765
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: his improvement, and they will evolve over and whatever changes

1766
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: Josh has made. But that's in Josh's court at this

1767
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: time of year, not so much the team. I think

1768
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: there's some coaching there, don't you coaching. They ain't talking

1769
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: to him, I know, but when they get him, coach

1770
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: him up. Yeah, we got Sean McDermott on the show tomorrow,

1771
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: and are you telling me we got Jordan Phillips on

1772
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: the show this week? Jay Harris, producer, I think he

1773
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: was not Jordan Phillips. Yeah, Jordan, he's gonna stop by. Yeah,

1774
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: we'll pick his brain about what he's doing with Josh Yeah,

1775
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: and how can how he can improve our guy. There

1776
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 1: you go. We'll ask him that question and the Twitter

1777
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: poll is out there. What's the biggest challenge this off

1778
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: season for the Bills? We've got the tweet sheet brought

1779
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: to you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of

1780
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Some of the responses to that from Brian,

1781
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: he says, aside from filling holes in free agency with

1782
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: value and hungry prove it guys. It's a good name.

1783
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: Hungry prove it guy. I'd like to upgrade at least

1784
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: one position group ahead of the draft. Anyone O line, cornerback,

1785
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: two offensive where we got I've lost it now, O line, cornerback,

1786
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: two offside, linebacker, defensive end, wide receiver, draft best trench

1787
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: at twenty two, move up for playmakers in the second round.

1788
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: So that's a big agenda. Yeah, no question, he says.

1789
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: To get yourself at the top draft. Brian wants it

1790
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 1: to be a big guy, an offensive or defensive lineman.

1791
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of with that. I've said

1792
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: that all. I think that the game starts with your

1793
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: offensive line, in your defensive line. You gotta get good

1794
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: from the ball out when they line up and starts

1795
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: with the offensive line, defensive line, in the quarterback, and

1796
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: everything else will take care of itself. If you can

1797
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: get those guys right, everything else becomes better. Here's Michael

1798
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,520
Speaker 1: on the tweet sheet. Michael says, we need a cornerback.

1799
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: I think in the first three rounds we really have

1800
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: no one opposite Tredivious White. Maybe the weakest part of

1801
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: our defense minus edge, and that has not been bad cornerback.

1802
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: I think he's overstating a little bit. Over three rounds. Maybe, yeah,

1803
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: go for that, but I don't think it's the weakest

1804
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: part of the defense, and I think they're probably addressed

1805
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: that to some extent in the draft. I'm not in

1806
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 1: the draft. In free agency before the draft comes around,

1807
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: so it may be that they can wait till the

1808
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: third round or later to get a corner, maybe a

1809
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: guy who has some measurables but some other things that

1810
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: they that other teams, you know, didn't slotted him down

1811
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: that far, or that he fell that far. Whatever. I

1812
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: think for a corner in the NFL. You gotta be kind,

1813
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be different physically. You gotta be fast, athletic

1814
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: guy with great ball skills. You gotta be intelligent. You

1815
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: gotta have a lot going for you to be a

1816
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: really good corner in the NFL. And they're hard to find.

1817
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 1: That's why you know they struggle to get somebody opposite

1818
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: Tredavious that those guys don't just fall off the turnip

1819
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: truck at night. You know, yeah, I think they're okay there.

1820
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: I think lee by Wallace is okay. I think Kevin

1821
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: Johnson is worth resigning if they want to get through

1822
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: that too. Well, here's the thing too, and we can

1823
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: talk about this at great length, Murph, because what if

1824
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: they get another elite corner, Well, you got guys that

1825
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: can cover up, well, then how badly do you need

1826
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: an edge rusher? Not quite so bad? You know, you

1827
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: don't need to have guy that gets twenty sacks. You

1828
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: got guys that are covered up in the back end.

1829
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you need better run stuffers, guys that can just

1830
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: make sure the quarterback has to throw it on time,

1831
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: because if he has to throw it on time, he's

1832
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: throwing to a guy that's covered by their two corners,

1833
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: and if you don't get a corner, maybe you do

1834
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: need an edge rusher. Then, after all, a better edge

1835
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 1: rusher a defensive tackle who can rush, you know. So

1836
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: these things are kind of interdependent upon what is the

1837
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: best player available at either those positions and are they

1838
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: a difference maker or they just a guy? And that

1839
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: says a lot about the rest of your philosophy when

1840
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: it comes to clearing out to filling out your roster.

1841
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Tweet sheet, we're asking folks, what should the Bills do

1842
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: this offseason? What is the biggest challenge for the Bills.

1843
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Kate tweets in b because I think it's hard to

1844
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: find players in That's a tweet sheet brought to you

1845
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills.

1846
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: A little late, but they were there hit by a truck.

1847
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: Kate says, I think it's hard to find players in

1848
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: free agency without being without having to overpay, not taking

1849
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: not talking average free agency players, but the playmakers we need,

1850
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: especially wide receiver, but in other positions as well. I

1851
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: don't know if I agree with that. Yeah, it's hard

1852
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: to find I going to overpay a wide receiver. I'm sorry.

1853
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm just right. I agree, and I think that was

1854
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: Kate's idea. She wants be she guys, you got a

1855
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 1: draft difference, you gotta d aft well because the players

1856
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 1: in I think that's the right order of that of

1857
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: the Yeah, talking average free agency players, playmakers we need.

1858
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 1: It's hard to do it. If to find those guys

1859
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: and not overpay them, now you're right, But if they won't,

1860
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: I don't think this regime's gonna Brandon Bean's not gonna

1861
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: overpay for those guys. They haven't. They won't. They have

1862
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: not shown a willingness to do that for anybody. You've

1863
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: got to get value and production for everything. In fact,

1864
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: in some cases, like with a quarterback on his rookie

1865
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: deal or running back on his rookie deal, tight ends

1866
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: on their rookie deals, Tredavious White on his rookie deal,

1867
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: you've got to get over value for what you're paying

1868
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: those guys because when when they come due, you're gonna

1869
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: have to pay them a lot of money. They're gonna

1870
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,919
Speaker 1: take up a bigger chunk and hopefully still be productive.

1871
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: But that's you know, you gotta find playmakers, no question

1872
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: about it. You've got to upgrade You've got to go

1873
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 1: into this offseason like Brandon Bean, you got to upgrade

1874
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: it every position if you can, and because you're only

1875
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: going to get better if you get better players. He

1876
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: first question, he answered, He's right. This is his season.

1877
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: This six to eight week period here, right, this is

1878
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: when they're they're It's not just that they don't do

1879
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: anything in the other seasons because they're always evaluating guys.

1880
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 1: But now it comes down to you, all right, who's

1881
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 1: your guy? Who's it gonna be. What's your strategy, what

1882
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: do you get, what have you been doing, and how

1883
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: prepared are you to strike and get guys maybe players

1884
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: nobody else knows about, or get the guys you really

1885
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: want and make the right call. That's this is the

1886
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: general manager season. We got phone calls open to talk

1887
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: to you about this. Eighth three five fifty toll free

1888
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: outside Buffalo one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: Simple question. Uh, it's the focus of our discussion today.

1890
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 1: You can send in a tweet as well if you'd

1891
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: like to be on the tweet cheet, but we'd love

1892
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Speaker 1: to hear your voice. Biggest challenge this offseason for the

1893
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. What do you think it is, give us

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Speaker 1: a call to discuss. We're gonna take a break. We're

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Speaker 1: coming back top at the hour. Mark Ross, former personnel

1896
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Speaker 1: executive with a New York Giants, used to be in

1897
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Speaker 1: the Bills front office as well. And then two thirty

1898
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Speaker 1: Mandy Glamb joins us. So we're here at the Combine

1899
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Speaker 1: for a while. One Bill's Live presented by comin of

1900
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Speaker 1: Health from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's radiol. Welcome back to Indie. John Murphy with

1902
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Speaker 1: the Steve Tasker Company from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

1903
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Speaker 1: The workout start Thursday. We're here on this Tuesday. We

1904
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Speaker 1: got shows till Friday. Let's take a phone call here

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Speaker 1: Edric in New Jersey. Hello, Edric on the air with us.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Edric? Are you there? Uh? Yeah, I'm here? Good?

1907
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Here as chance? Edric? Are you there are? Edrics? This

1908
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: topic here says we need guys that can give us

1909
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: an identity, and now he's gone, I don't know what

1910
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Speaker 1: that means and identity, Edric, call back if you gain

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Speaker 1: a minute. I don't know what that means. He's throwing

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Speaker 1: lobbing that in and hanging up. Yeah, you know, it's

1913
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Speaker 1: a good conversation and we well it's coming up on

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow. We sat down with Sean McDermot today

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Speaker 1: taped to an interview we will use tomorrow, but a

1916
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Speaker 1: good discussion about culture with him building culture, and I

1917
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Speaker 1: asked him, I won't give you the answer. Well, this

1918
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: will be a tease. Some people laughed when we brought

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Speaker 1: up culture a couple of years ago, when he brought

1920
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Speaker 1: up culture when he first got here. Three nobody's laughing.

1921
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Speaker 1: It's a catchphrase now too. It meant something for him,

1922
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: it does, and it does mean something for the teams

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Speaker 1: who have good culture, and it also means something for

1924
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Speaker 1: every head coach he comes and he's gonna change the

1925
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: culture doesn't mean the cold old cultures. It means he's

1926
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 1: got to have his own. And the old adage is

1927
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: a team takes on the personality or you know, of

1928
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Speaker 1: their head coach. And I kind of believe that, um,

1929
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: smart tough coaches have smart tough football teams, and head

1930
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 1: coaches who are not buttoned up and you know, don't

1931
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: have it all together. Their teams play that way. That

1932
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't win with a lot of different ways.

1933
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: You know a lot of different ways, but I do

1934
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: think it says something about you know the atmosphere and

1935
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: how productive the atmosphere is all the time, not just

1936
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Speaker 1: on game day. And for me, I was part of

1937
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: a team when I played that had a culture that

1938
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I really liked and I was very proud of, and

1939
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Speaker 1: I think it did catapult us and carry us through

1940
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 1: some tough times. And there are people who just don't

1941
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: get it about culture. Just go out and play. And

1942
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: you know that when you're out playing a professional sport

1943
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: and it hurts, and I mean physically hurts. You're going

1944
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: out there when you're not your physical best, when you're hurting,

1945
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,520
Speaker 1: and you wish you weren't playing, but you feel obligated

1946
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: because of the guys in the locker room to play.

1947
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: It's difficult to do. And those guys on the team

1948
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: who are there, they're in the same boat. And when

1949
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: you realize that you've got guy who are hurting just

1950
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: like you are and they're playing with you, it gives

1951
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: you an added motivation to play well and to do

1952
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the little things that help you win. It's just a

1953
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 1: matter of human nature. You play harder for people you

1954
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 1: love and respect. You give more effort for people you

1955
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: love and respect for other than people who you don't

1956
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: have respect for and who aren't you don't think are

1957
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Speaker 1: very fully invested in your group. It's just human nature.

1958
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know how else to put it. You know,

1959
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: it's just it means something to you. We'll get into

1960
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: that with Sean McDermott tomorrow. We got him, I think

1961
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: one o'clock tomorrow on the show. We'll talk with him

1962
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: in his three year process of building culture. And by

1963
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: the way, Sean will tell us, I'm not spoiling anything here.

1964
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: It's not over right. He doesn't believe it, doesn't act

1965
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: like it's over I'm done building culture now. Every team's different.

1966
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: The two twenty Bills are going to be different than

1967
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen Bills, and they're gonna have a number

1968
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: of the same guys, you know, familiar faces fans will like.

1969
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: But there's gonna be a lot of faces that you

1970
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know yet. You don't know who they are, and

1971
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: the Bills don't know who they're gonna be, and that

1972
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: means it's gonna be a different team. Yeah, it's just

1973
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: that simple. And there's gonna be a very different vibe.

1974
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Maybe not a very different vibe, but certainly uh different

1975
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: faces are going to be, you know, exuding that vibe

1976
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: than are there present there Now, all right, we'll take

1977
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: a ring and we come back. Mark Ross will join us.

1978
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Farmer Bills player personnel executive did it with the Giants

1979
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: as well, and there was another team in there, Philly,

1980
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: the Eagles. He's now with the NFL Network. We'll talk

1981
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: with Mark Cross when we come back. At the top

1982
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Speaker 1: of the hour. It's one Bill's Live presented by Klaida

1983
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Speaker 1: Health from the Seneca Seneca. No, we're from the Indianapolis

1984
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Speaker 1: gem Natas Center to Combine. This is not the Seneca studio.

1985
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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. That Oh Tasper Textime text

1986
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Speaker 1: text Time. Welcome back at Zar number three of the

1987
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Speaker 1: show from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Jrum Murphy's Steve

1988
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: Tasker and special guest. This guy in the middle is

1989
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Mark Ross, where the NFL Network spent a couple of

1990
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: years as a Bill's person That executive did the same

1991
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: with the Eagles and the Giants, and we're happy to

1992
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: him here. Markets. Thanks for having me. You you got

1993
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 1: to refresh people your time in Buffalo was two thousand

1994
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: and one, two thousand uh four to six or seven seven? Yeah,

1995
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: and then laughing in my first year with the Giants

1996
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and No. Seven we won the Super Bowl. So I

1997
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: was a good luck charm when I went to New York.

1998
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: The time in Buffalo, Tom Modrek. Tom Modrack brought me in.

1999
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Tom and I worked in Philadelphia together. He brought me

2000
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: up there. Tom Donahoe was a general manager. I had

2001
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: a good, good time there. Mike Malarkey the head coach.

2002
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: Dick Jeron came in after Mike and UM had a

2003
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: good three years, good three year run there. Yeah, I

2004
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: was teasing you before we came on the air. Everybody

2005
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: knows it. Assistant coaches and coach are in the league.

2006
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: They kind of move around. It's wherever the jobs are.

2007
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: Same thing with this, I mean, you gotta you kind

2008
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: of know what you sign up for. It's a it's

2009
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: a nomadic league. Yeah, definitely, it's a it's a really

2010
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: a friend base league. As far as who worked with who,

2011
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: and someone switches as a head coach, Okay, who did

2012
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: they work with on a staff and we'll bring him

2013
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: with them to the new staff. And it's the same

2014
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,800
Speaker 1: way on the scouting end of it, where I mean,

2015
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: if you work with someone and they respect what you

2016
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 1: do and they happen to have an opportunity to move elsewhere,

2017
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: they'll bring you with with them if they have the opportunity. Right,

2018
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: those are tough years for the Bills, but you guys

2019
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: had a good foundation in your personnel department, really, right

2020
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: with Yeah, you and Modrack and some of them. Yeah,

2021
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: my first year there was that last game where Drew

2022
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Bletzler was a quarterback. We played Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh had

2023
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: already clinched and if we won that game, we would

2024
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: have got in. That was one of the most heartbreaking

2025
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 1: losses that all the startup. Yeah, Yeah, so that was

2026
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: a tough one. The next two years we're a little rough,

2027
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: but yeah, we had some good personnel people Doug Majeski

2028
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: who's still there, and Tom Modrack of course, a lot

2029
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: of respect for him. Did a lot for my career

2030
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: and personal life as well, who's passed on. But yeah,

2031
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: it was, it was. I had a really good four

2032
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: three years. Aaron Buffalo and Ralph Wilson of course, just

2033
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,919
Speaker 1: treated us like gold and that a lot of positive

2034
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: experiences with that. It's funny when when people look back

2035
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: and they think, uh oh, Tom Donaho did not know

2036
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and then there you weren't winning

2037
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: enough games, that's clear. But for the most part, guys

2038
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of know what they're doing right, and it's right.

2039
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Everything just doesn't come together right. Yeah, Tom had great

2040
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: success in Pittsburgh, and I think our big problem we

2041
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: just we didn't have a couldn't get the right quarterback

2042
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: in there. And the year before I got there, they

2043
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: had drafted JP Loespen and that didn't work out there

2044
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: the way they wanted it to. Talented, talented guy, but

2045
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: just didn't turn the corner the way the organization wanted to.

2046
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 1: And really, I guess it's taken until now with who

2047
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 1: you guys think is there guy now with Josh Allen.

2048
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 1: But I mean we had Kyle Williams and Paul pluz

2049
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: Lusni and Marshawn Lynch and Dante Whitner and so we

2050
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: had a night. Yeah, we had a good guy y man.

2051
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: If you remember that defense that Kospikes and London Fletcher

2052
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: and uh we had some guy as the corners that

2053
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: um Nate Clements and Antoine Winfield. So we had some

2054
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: guys that that could compete, and it continues to go

2055
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,919
Speaker 1: on for you. Now you're an NFL Network draft analyst,

2056
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: and there's you know, you got to watch tape one,

2057
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: sixty gazillion colleges, sixty gazillion players, and you know, you

2058
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: just start with the big places and you kind of

2059
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: work it down. You gotta through every um position. You

2060
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: just you're just trying to You can't start it all

2061
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 1: at once. You just chip away at it. And okay,

2062
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: let's start at Alabama, because you know when you throw

2063
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: an Alabama table and you're watching fifteen guys, all right, lsu,

2064
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: here's another eighteen you can watch. Uh, So you just

2065
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: go to the big schools, first SEC concentrated. You'll get

2066
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: a lot of players from that. And then you just

2067
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: start chipping away at kind of the higher rated players

2068
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: that projected first round picks and watch those those players

2069
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: along with their teammates, and uh then take it by position,

2070
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: all right, who did I miss out on in its

2071
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: top ten receivers? And watch those. So just one day

2072
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: at a time, one film at a time, and keep

2073
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: keep banging it out. I've told young kids who are

2074
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 1: going to college, you know who they all have aspirations

2075
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: to play in the National Football League, and they gosh,

2076
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 1: I need to go to an Alabama, I need to

2077
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: go to a UCLA or just And I always tell them, listen,

2078
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 1: if you're good enough, they'll find you. Yes, what say

2079
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: a kid goes to like a Josh Allen goes to

2080
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: Wyoming Where somebody goes to a Division two school? What's

2081
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: the quickest way? How did these guys pop up on

2082
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: the radar for most NFL teams. Produce? Yeah, production will

2083
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: get you to these small schools. I mean, you can't

2084
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: be a bad small school player, an average small school player.

2085
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 1: You have to dominate. And I say it's all throughout

2086
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,879
Speaker 1: my scouting career. I say it now. If you dominate

2087
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: at your level, no matter what level it is, scouts

2088
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: will find you and they will flock to wherever you're going.

2089
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: So you know, Josh Allen's a perfect example. But even

2090
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 1: smaller school guys, um, you know one, I still call

2091
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: it one double a U. So you know, um, you know,

2092
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: I went to Prince University Ivy League school and you

2093
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,680
Speaker 1: know we have three players in the NFL right now.

2094
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's you're if you're good and you produce

2095
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: and you dominate your level scouts will will get you

2096
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: into the NFL. Hey, Mark God, what do you think

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Speaker 1: of the Bills operation? And you know they're kind of

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Speaker 1: in the middle of building this team. They've had three

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Speaker 1: or four years putting it together. Are they on the

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Speaker 1: right path? And just I mean teams will make mistakes,

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01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: but they haven't seen to make many from our standpoint. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. Uh, you know, I worked with Sean in Philly.

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Speaker 1: We actually hired him. He was a marketing intern and

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01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: then we hired him as a scouting intern and then

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01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: he went over to work with Andy for him. So

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Speaker 1: I've known Sean McDermot a long time. We actually worked

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01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: him out of a local pro day. Yeah, he ran

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01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: four nine that day, probably vertical twenty five. You can

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Speaker 1: tell him this because he about it once we hired

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01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, he, like Sean gave it up moving too,

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Speaker 1: so he should give me part of his salary for

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01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: getting him into the coaching business. But no, Sean was

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Speaker 1: just very almost the same. Then he's with like dedicated, consistent,

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01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: uh just overachiever type of player, and it seems like

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Speaker 1: that's the way that he and Brandon have built the team.

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01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: And it's the biggest thing in front office and the

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Speaker 1: personnel side. The coaching and personnel, they have to be

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01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: on one accord with one another. I work with Jerry

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Speaker 1: Rees and Tom Cofflin, who had a great relationship for

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Speaker 1: those years we won super Bowls, and it seems like

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01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: that Brandon and Sean are really on the same page.

2122
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 1: Why did they have to be on the same page.

2123
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: Because when you're making decisions for the team, whether there's

2124
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: drafting a player, signing a free agent, there has to

2125
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: be no egos involved and there can't be my guy

2126
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: and your guy, and it has to be who is

2127
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: the best player? Why are you making this decision? It's

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01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: for the Bills to win the Super Bowl and everyone

2129
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: has to have that mentality no matter what team you're in.

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01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: If you have personal agendas in the building, there will

2131
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: be a lot of a lot of disagreement. There are

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01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: a lot of backbiting, and everyone will be looking out

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01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: for themselves as opposed to the best opportunity for the

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Speaker 1: Bills to win. Well, let's talk about why we're all

2135
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: here this year, this draft class, and when you talk

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01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: about teams that are drafting the top five and you

2137
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: talk about the Joe Burrow and two Attack of the

2138
01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Law and and Chase Young. How deep and far down

2139
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: to the top ten, you know, do you think you

2140
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: can get a difference making kind of players. Certainly there's

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01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: guys that have put that potential. How many guys with

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01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: the potentially you know, difference makers at the next level. Really,

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01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: I think there's about four or five guys who were

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01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: kind of elite, and then after that there's really a

2145
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: pool of thirty guys that I watched that you could

2146
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: kind of mix and match with them any kind of

2147
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: way where I wouldn't quibble or argue to say, well,

2148
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: if this this guy who some sees the fifth best

2149
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 1: receivers is the best receiver, or the seventh ranked corner

2150
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: is the second. I think there's a gigantic group pool

2151
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: of players that could go any kind of way from

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01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: five until thirty five or forty that you can get

2153
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: quality depth, and especially at the receiver end corner positions,

2154
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: where they are maybe the deepest that I've seen. And

2155
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys that could probably have good second

2156
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: contract careers that you can win with. Start win guys,

2157
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 1: not just guys filling out rosters. So a team like

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01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo drafting twenty second in the first round with kind

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01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: of a need for wide receivers. Should they be looking

2160
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: in the first round there or maybe wait, wait until

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01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: the second I think receivers there's about fifteen deep of starters. Yeah,

2162
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just depending on how fast they go.

2163
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't think teams need to get desperate, and you'll

2164
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: still see those first rounds guys get taken to Jerry

2165
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: Judy's and Cede Lambs of the world. But there's there's

2166
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: kind of lower tier guys Brian Edwards and Gabriel davis

2167
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 1: Is and Jalen Raygor's where you're gonna see in the

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01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 1: second and third round who are going to be starters

2169
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 1: as you've seen the last few drafts, where the depths

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01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: of receivers are the good players have been in those

2171
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: second and third rounds and not the high rated players.

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01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: How important is it to it's size in a wide

2173
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 1: receiver in today's NFL? Do you think, Well, it's always important,

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Speaker 1: but if you're skilled. I mean, you guys have two

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01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 1: smaller guys with the bills there and they produce YEA

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01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: Sean called them the smurfs surfs. Yeah, so maybe when

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01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: you want to. But when you're building a group, it's

2178
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: almost like a basketball team, where all right, we got

2179
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 1: these small guys, Now let's get the big guy. But

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01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: one good thing again is that there's a lot of

2181
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: big guys here at the Combine. If you guys watch

2182
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: the way ends or just look at the measurables, I mean,

2183
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 1: there's some impressive It seems like they're getting bigger every year. Yeah,

2184
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: big fast guys. With the Mark Cross NFL network front

2185
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 1: office analysts, I want to ask you a little bit

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01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: about the left the Giants, how many years ago, a

2187
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, two years ago, and Eli of

2188
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: course the big offseason news for them. Just your thoughts

2189
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 1: on Eli and maybe his legacies you look back on

2190
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 1: that career. Yeah, I've always said that the Mount Rushmore

2191
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: New York Giants players Eli Manning will be right there.

2192
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: And it really can't find a players so beloved by

2193
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: a team in any sport, really as Eli has been

2194
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: with the Giants and the things he's done, winning two

2195
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and just handling the New York spotlight, handling

2196
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 1: the New York media, never any negativity, always being consistent.

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01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I think that's what made him so beloved end the

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01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: building and by the New York Giants fans. So yeah,

2199
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: two rings doesn't hurt either. And that's definitely if he's lost, right,

2200
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: that would be a different story, But that always carries

2201
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: the cache for him and which will probably get him

2202
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame is the rings and how

2203
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: he handled himself with you as a personnel guy, to

2204
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: know you've got that quarterback in place for a decade

2205
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 1: or more, it's kind of not easier, but it just

2206
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 1: got to be comfortable. Like, we got a quarterback, you

2207
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: have a foundation. You have the foundation. And I was

2208
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: fortunate early in my career with the Eagles. I we

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01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,640
Speaker 1: had Donovan McNatt. So we're like, okay, all right, what

2210
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,839
Speaker 1: do we do now to build around Donovan? As opposed

2211
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,759
Speaker 1: to as that's been seen in Buffalo or you're always

2212
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 1: trying to find a quarterback and you can't consistently win

2213
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 1: in the NFL without that foundation at the quarterback position.

2214
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: So once you do have that, and then again, the

2215
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: better he is, then you have a little more leeway

2216
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 1: that he covers up. The more sins on the team,

2217
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: the better your quarterback is, and that's what you're hoping for.

2218
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Singing about and I said this too many times to Steve.

2219
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Steve sick of it. But Truff time to meet Troff

2220
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 1: Falcons GM said once when they're in the Super Bowl

2221
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: three years ago, said, if your team doesn't have a quarterback,

2222
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: your franchise is consumed with finding the quarterine. Quarterback. Yeah,

2223
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,799
Speaker 1: that's your all your resources are trying to find that position,

2224
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: because you know that that's the stability. Now there's an

2225
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: occasional Okay, put a great defense together and we have

2226
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 1: a stop gap guy, and you can make a nice

2227
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: little run at it. But for the most part, if

2228
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 1: you want to win consistently, you needed Deshaun Watson. You

2229
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: need a Patrick Mahomes, you need a Tom Brady and

2230
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: Drew Brees down. But you need to You can go

2231
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 1: down the list, and where does Josh Allen rank? You

2232
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: think that's the question. I just ask the question to

2233
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,800
Speaker 1: see what step is he going to take? Years still

2234
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: kind of a question, He's kind of a question. And

2235
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 1: you saw that in the playoff game, where okay, this

2236
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 1: is we thought we had him on the right path,

2237
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: and then is he still that guy that's going to

2238
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: make plays for us consistently? It does he still have

2239
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: the passing acumen, the vision the field, to the accuracy

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Speaker 1: to lead us every game and know that, all right,

2241
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: this is a nine win season just because we have

2242
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and then everything else will fall into place. Yeah,

2243
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: and the blueprint for building your team does change given

2244
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: that guy's skill set in the level that he's at.

2245
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 1: And for a guy like Buffalo, you still need a

2246
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: top three defense. I would think, right, yes, I think

2247
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: you need a running game and all that other stuff

2248
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: that away from the quarterback that can help him his

2249
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 1: marching far grow. Right. I don't think he's shown that.

2250
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 1: You go into a game say Josh is going to

2251
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:28,879
Speaker 1: win the game for it's it's okay, we played defense,

2252
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: we run the ball, and he makes timely plays will

2253
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 1: win the game. And that's kind of the formula we

2254
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 1: had that a lot of years with Eli, Where's like

2255
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 1: we won those Super Bowls, our defense played historically in

2256
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: the playoff runs and we made plays at the right times.

2257
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: So I think right now, for Bills fans, it's that's

2258
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. But you're hoping he ascends and

2259
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 1: can be that quarterback to carry the team at some point.

2260
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: What about Eli's success where the giants, Jones see going

2261
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: to be that guy. I he's got a lot of

2262
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: work to do. He's got you know, the turnovers are

2263
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: very alarming because he also turned the ball over in college,

2264
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: and you know when they played the better defenses, he

2265
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 1: really struggled. And he when guys are used to turning

2266
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: the ball over, they kind of continue that trend of

2267
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston comes to mind. So, yeah, this is this

2268
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: Year two is huge for him. And he had the

2269
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 1: running back. They'll they'll need need more receiver healthy the

2270
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 1: offensive line, of course, they've been talking about for years.

2271
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: So year two is a gigantic step for him. Yeah.

2272
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking as we talked to Brandon meeting earlier today,

2273
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: and he's got it in line what he wants to

2274
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 1: do next. And first up, really, even though we're here

2275
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: for him, is free agency, right and he doesn't want

2276
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:43,560
Speaker 1: to I don't think they want to spend much in

2277
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 1: free agency, but he doesn't want to go into the

2278
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,600
Speaker 1: draft with gaping holes that he's got to fill on

2279
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: the draft. How did you approach it when you were

2280
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: in personnel, We kind of did it both ways, where

2281
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: if there was in the free agency and we had

2282
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 1: money to spend in there was that one key freezing

2283
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,560
Speaker 1: we thought could get us over the hump. We did that.

2284
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,640
Speaker 1: We signed that's say a Chris Canty one year defensive

2285
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: tackle and he an antreill role. Where we spent big

2286
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,839
Speaker 1: on those guys, but we had a foundation of other players.

2287
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: So you don't want to do that every year, spend

2288
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: big money. But if you have a foundation that one

2289
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: guy can kind of help you, you do it. But

2290
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 1: if you have nothing on defense and you overspend for

2291
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 1: a guy thinking he's going to be the savior, that's

2292
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: where teams get into trouble. All right, I know this

2293
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: is you know, at the combine we're talking about the

2294
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: draft class, but this is also an atmosphere in the NFL,

2295
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: this free agent period where you got a bunch of

2296
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with some a little bit of cache by Philip

2297
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Rivers and whatever happens to Brady Teddy Bridgewater, Jamis Winston

2298
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: still out there, you know, Marcus Mariota, Ryan Tannehill, all

2299
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,600
Speaker 1: these names. You know that kind of changes the landscape

2300
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: depending on what happens. Do you have, well, how do

2301
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: you prepare for those chips to fall? Well, you just

2302
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: have to say, just like you rank your college players,

2303
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 1: ranked these guys and say, which one of these guys

2304
01:46:58,040 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 1: is going to get us to where we need to go?

2305
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,679
Speaker 1: Where are you trying to go with signing Philip Rivers?

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to win a Super Bowl? Do you

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01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,679
Speaker 1: still think Philip Rivers can win a Super Bowl for you? Okay,

2308
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: it's Teddy Bridgewater a better option. How much money are

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01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 1: we willing to spend? So those are all the questions

2310
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: you have in the off season when you're evaluating the

2311
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: pro players. Where are we trying to go? If we're

2312
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 1: trying to win a super Bowl, we think giving Philip

2313
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 1: Rivers his money is going to do it, then that's

2314
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: what you have to stick with. But there's a nice

2315
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 1: group of college players here. And again we're taught being

2316
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: on one accord. This is where your coaching staff, your

2317
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: personnel staff, and your ownership have to be on one

2318
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: the same page to say, what is our plan for

2319
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 1: this offseason? Where are we trying to get to? How

2320
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: much patience do we have to get to where we

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01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: need to go? And it's also too and I said

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01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: this earlier in the show. If you're one thing, though,

2323
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: if you're all you do want to agree on the plan.

2324
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: But if you all think alike, maybe you're not thinking right. Yeah,

2325
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: you definitely need independent flow. Yes, you need independent thought.

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01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,560
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, it can't just be hey, we

2327
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: all think the secon beliefs we're going on. Everyone has

2328
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: to have strong beliefs, you know, strong convictions and what

2329
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: they believe in. But know that when we leave this room,

2330
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: we're all on the same page. Yes, we're all together

2331
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 1: on this. So I didn't want to confuse the saying

2332
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: we all have to think the same. It's more, Hey,

2333
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 1: you gotta have discussion, you gotta have knockdown dragouts. But

2334
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: then once we walk out of this room, this is

2335
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,640
Speaker 1: a decision for the Buffalo Bills, not for me as

2336
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 1: the head coach, not for me as a general manager.

2337
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 1: You can have disagreement without dissension, you know what I'm saying?

2338
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: That right? Yeah, And that was always true because you

2339
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,640
Speaker 1: always needed guys to say, well wait a minute, yes,

2340
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: because we got you know, to point out some different

2341
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: aspects of it. Because if everybody agrees and you don't progress,

2342
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't think definitely one um. You know, if there's

2343
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 1: one person that just has a voice and everybody falls

2344
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 1: in line, and people are saying, well, I know this

2345
01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: is not right, but I'm not saving. I just want

2346
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: to keep my job and move forward like that. That

2347
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: doesn't work. What is it about your jobs, personnel, guys

2348
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Look, I think Brandon Being's pretty smart.

2349
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: You're obviously pretty smart. Princeton n Yeah, I guess what

2350
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 1: is it about these jobs? Person all the tracks smart guys.

2351
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: You know, you could make tons of money on Wall

2352
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: Street doing you know what I mean, That's all my teammates,

2353
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: So they make it all the money. I just try

2354
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: to freeload off of them. No, I don't know. I

2355
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: just always loved football. I played at Princeton. I always

2356
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: loved it since I was a kid, and at the

2357
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: time I was coming out of college, I just sawliwa

2358
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 1: worked internships and internships before I got a full time

2359
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: job with the with the Eagles and scouting and it

2360
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: just I just loved it, you know. I just love

2361
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: coming every day, watching tape, evaluating being around the players.

2362
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, when I started, I was the same age

2363
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: as uh the college players I was scouting. So I

2364
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: think it's just that passion that we have to know that, Okay,

2365
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: this is not your avenue being a player, but there's

2366
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: so many other opportunities in the sports industry. Are you

2367
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:44,839
Speaker 1: looking to get back into it or I'm always looking always.

2368
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing right now and but um

2369
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: trying to get better at what I'm doing. But you

2370
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: never know what? Are you ever say I'm gotta hit

2371
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: here in a few minutes, I gotta go on just

2372
01:49:55,400 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 1: talking about Joe Burrow. I guess probably again for the Yeah,

2373
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: you're fine, true. Hey, Mark, thanks for thanks, thank you,

2374
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: thank appreciate you. Guys. Mark Ross's NFL network analysts, former

2375
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 1: Bill's personnel director or what was the National College comb

2376
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: same thing, and he just personnel worked with the New

2377
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 1: York Giants, and we thank you for joining us today.

2378
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Steve and I coming back. Mandy Glam's gonna join us

2379
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: with her take on this first day of the NFL

2380
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Scounting Combine. We're coming back with more One Bill's Line

2381
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: presented by Kalada Health from the scounting Combine. And indeed

2382
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: this is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back One Bill's Life,

2383
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker, and our special guest now

2384
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 1: is Maddy Glam, multimedia journalists for Buffalo Bills Dot com

2385
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: for the Sabers and there's no Sabers game in time.

2386
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: I assume you're here for the combine. Yeah, here for

2387
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: the combine. We traveled yesterday and yesterday was the deadline

2388
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 1: day for NHL, and so I miss out on a

2389
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: lot of that fun because we were in the airport,

2390
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 1: but got to keep up with it via social media,

2391
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 1: so that was good. But been keeping up with a

2392
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 1: lot of mock drafts. There have been so many mock

2393
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,680
Speaker 1: drafts that I've really been out and started to be

2394
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: out since about the new year. I mean, if you

2395
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: went through all of these, there be hundreds, and so

2396
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,719
Speaker 1: we've tracked about thirty. All right, how many different positions

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01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: do they have? The bills taken at twenty five? Okay,

2398
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 1: so out of the twenty nine that we've tracked, and

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01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to track a lot more, but

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01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: as of right now, a lot of wide receivers, a

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01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 1: lot of edge rushers, and then you have your one

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01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: running back in there and your one corner. And the

2403
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 1: one running back was Deanery Swift. Well if you can

2404
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 1: get him, I can see it. And the one corner

2405
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: was Christian Fulton. Other than that, you're seeing a lot

2406
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: of edge edge rushers you're seeing. So Leaviska Chenult, he

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01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 1: has been mocked on four of the mock drafts. Yeah,

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01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: he's the Colorado wide receiver. You're bigger guy. He comes

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01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: in at at six two. He's a heavier wide receiver

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01:52:05,320 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: in this year's draft class. Another one that's been popular,

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01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: of course, is te Higgins. He's the one that's mocked

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01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: the most. He's on nine out of twenty nine mock

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01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: drafts that we have tracked. Yeah, he's six four. He's

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01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: a like a skinnier guy than Laviska, I would say,

2415
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: but he's somebody that I could see if he gets

2416
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 1: drafted by the Bills, he goes into that weight room

2417
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 1: and he's gonna gain five to ten pounds of muscle.

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01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 1: So you have an opportunity to talk to some of

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01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 1: these young men today here at the comment Yeah, so

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01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 1: some of the guys that have been mocked. I went

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01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 1: over because they had their media availability today from around

2422
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, and so several wide receivers coming through

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01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,720
Speaker 1: got the chance to talk to a few of them

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01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,799
Speaker 1: just about what they had to say about the Buffalo

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01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 1: Bills and even if they knew anything about the Buffalo Bills,

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01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 1: And of course you would guess the first thing a

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01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of them have to say is Buffalo's a cold places.

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01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I know about Buffalo.

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01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 1: But then you have a guy like Laviska Chanolt the

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01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: collar out, a wide receiver, who said that he did

2431
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:04,400
Speaker 1: meet with the Bills, so that he was it was

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01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 1: a really great meeting with the Bills, said that he

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01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 1: would be happy to play there, said he could think

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01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 1: of himself as being a star on that team, and

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01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,600
Speaker 1: said that he was really impressed with Josh Allen and

2436
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,760
Speaker 1: what he saw from Josh against the Houston Texans, so

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01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 1: that he's a talented quarterball. Laviska, I think he's six

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01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: two when he was measured. I don't know if that

2439
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 1: was six two, but on his roster it says six two.

2440
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,840
Speaker 1: A lot of these rosters may add an inch or two,

2441
01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:33,799
Speaker 1: but that's one thing Laviska said. I talked to Henry Ruggs,

2442
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: the third He's been somebody that's been mocked a couple times.

2443
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: He may I could see him jumping up after he

2444
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: runs his forty because he's considered as one of the

2445
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,679
Speaker 1: fastest guys. We're talking four three or lower, and Henry

2446
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 1: Ruggs said that he overlapped with Brian dave Ball when

2447
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: Brian Dable was at Alabama and said that he could

2448
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 1: see himself really easily fitting into the system here in

2449
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo because he's worked with day Ball for a year

2450
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 1: and just talked about Brian will be in a player's coach.

2451
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,839
Speaker 1: What we've heard from a lot of these Bills receivers

2452
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: and Bills offensive players what they've had to say about

2453
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Brian day Ball in general. He said he had a

2454
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,040
Speaker 1: really good relationship with day Ball while Daba was at

2455
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,519
Speaker 1: table was at Alabama in twenty seventeen. And then talk

2456
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 1: to t Higgins. Of course, he's mocked the most, so

2457
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I had to talk to him. He had a big

2458
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 1: group around him, of course, because he's projected to go

2459
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: pretty high, all Buffalo media, of course. And the first

2460
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 1: thing he said was Buffalo is a cold place, but

2461
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I could plan a cold weather team. And he smiled

2462
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: just talking about the Bills being a playoff hungry team.

2463
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that stood out to him

2464
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 1: just about the Bills in general. And then one interesting

2465
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 1: thing justin Jefferson is another wide receiver. He's from LSU.

2466
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 1: He's one of I want to say, sixteen LSU players

2467
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: who are at the Combine, which is just incredible to

2468
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 1: think about. You have that many people from one team

2469
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 1: invited to the NFL Combine. Wow. He said that he's

2470
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: really tight with Trey White and that Trey has given

2471
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 1: him a lot of advice in this draft process, going

2472
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: through the Combine, the Senior Bowl, all of that called

2473
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Trey one of the best corners in the NFL. Of

2474
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: course coming out of LSU with Maddy glab whether's here

2475
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: at the Combine. And so you talked to dozens of

2476
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: these players today. Is there one guy? And I know

2477
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 1: the format you're doing interviews, they're podium interviews, many of

2478
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: them something maybe bull a couple of month of the zide.

2479
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 1: So one guy you really liked what he had to say,

2480
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: one guy who impressed you with what he had to say.

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01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 1: I think Laviska said the most about Buffalo, but that's

2482
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: probably also because I got to ask him the most questions.

2483
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a bunch of people around these

2484
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 1: wide receivers and players in general, so it's like fighting

2485
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: over each other to get a question in for some

2486
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: of these guys. So Leavisca seemed like he had the

2487
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 1: most knowledge about Buffalo. Now, some of these other guys

2488
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,080
Speaker 1: who will talk to the Bills in the future over

2489
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 1: already have probably know a little bit. But Leavisca had

2490
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: some good things to say. And it's always good when

2491
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 1: you hear a when you hear a wide receiver talk

2492
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: about your current quarterback and Josh Allen instead, I would

2493
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:59,520
Speaker 1: love to catch balls from that guy. Yeah, no doubt.

2494
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: What are some of the other guys that didn't print?

2495
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: And what about their size, about their presence, about their

2496
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 1: ability to handle the media, anybody else jump out at you.

2497
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 1: These guys all seem pretty polished. I mean, even guys

2498
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: coming out of high school going to college football now

2499
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: are so polished because they're covered way more in high

2500
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:18,640
Speaker 1: school than they were in the past. College coverage has

2501
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:22,480
Speaker 1: just increased year after year, so they all seem pretty polished.

2502
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 1: I really like Tee Higgins. I've watched some film on

2503
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: him and what he has to offer. He is your

2504
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 1: your big body, your taller receiver. I think he would

2505
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 1: compliment John Brown and Cole Beasley very well. He's a

2506
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 1: great perimeter guy. He's great at the fifty fifty balls.

2507
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: I think that's something that that he excels at more

2508
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: than other wide receivers in this class. And then I

2509
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 1: do really like Levisca Chenault. He's your bigger body. He's

2510
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna get your yack yards due to his toughness. His

2511
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 1: question is staying healthy because he's had injuries in the past.

2512
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 1: There are some questions about an injuries and how it

2513
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 1: would affect him in the combine this year, So that's

2514
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: some of his questions. Also, running the entire route tree.

2515
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: I think it is going to be a question for

2516
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 1: all these guys because that's something that Brandon and Sean

2517
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 1: want these players to do, is run the entire route tree.

2518
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 1: Any information on which of these guys are or are

2519
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,560
Speaker 1: not going to participate. Are there any guys like at

2520
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:21,440
Speaker 1: the top of the draft and wide receiver spot that

2521
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 1: are not going to run There were a couple off

2522
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: the top of my head. I know, I believe he's

2523
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: going to do everything. I'm not sure if Laviska is

2524
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 1: going to be limited in any way. There were a

2525
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 1: couple other names who I've talked to so many guys

2526
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 1: today I can't remember that weren't going to be able

2527
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 1: to do everything and so then it goes into you

2528
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 1: really have to sell yourself in your interviews with these

2529
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 1: head coaches if you're not going to be able to

2530
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 1: have the measurables in the combine. This week it's about

2531
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: how do you wow a GM and a head coach

2532
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 1: in an interview. And it's also about this isn't their

2533
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: final chances of pro days and all that coming up

2534
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:00,760
Speaker 1: in an individual workouts in private workouts, and all of

2535
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 1: that stuff has to come as well. This is just

2536
01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of the first salvo and if a guy's not healthy,

2537
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: it's probably a smart idea and formatting. Yeah, and we

2538
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 1: are from Sean and Brandon today in their media availability

2539
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: with local media, and they both spoke to the depth

2540
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 1: of this wide receiver group, which Brandon being talked about it.

2541
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: He said, I was asked about this at the Senior

2542
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: Bowl earlier. I didn't really feel comfortable commenting on the

2543
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 1: class at that point, but since watching film, you know,

2544
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: they had all the scouts in a couple weeks ago

2545
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: for an entire week, and he had some great things

2546
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,839
Speaker 1: to say just about it. It's the depth that stands

2547
01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 1: out this season more than anything else. There could be

2548
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 1: guys going in day two in the second maybe even

2549
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: the third round that are really talented. And so they

2550
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: both spoke to Yes, it's a deep class at wide receiver.

2551
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 1: There's some really talented players. And we actually have a

2552
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:52,040
Speaker 1: sound from coach McDermott on what he needs out of

2553
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the next season. Yeah. I think

2554
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, the game changes in so many ways, and

2555
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: and so whether you're adding a wide receiver or protecting

2556
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 1: your quarterback, I think it's it's important right that we

2557
01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 1: continue to add pieces on the offensive side of the

2558
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 1: of the board, and adding playmakers is important. But if

2559
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,760
Speaker 1: you have playmakers and no one to protect the quarterback,

2560
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't work either. We've all seen that, So doing

2561
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: going about it in a responsible way, trying to do

2562
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 1: both would be ideal. It's funny when I listened to

2563
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,920
Speaker 1: Sean and he answered the question, but he was very

2564
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: clear not to give an indication that they were going

2565
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 1: to draft a wide receiver. Would Yeah, that's true, and

2566
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm you guys know this. We've heard both of them,

2567
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: especially Brandon say so many times we are going to

2568
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 1: take the best available. We're not gonna we're not going

2569
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,320
Speaker 1: to put ourselves in a corner and say, we're going

2570
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 1: to take a wide receiver regardless of who's available at

2571
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: number twenty two. Another position that has been in a

2572
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of mock drafts are the edge rushers, and Brandon

2573
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 1: commented about the edge rushers just defensive ends in general,

2574
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 1: and how he believes that is a premium position right

2575
02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 1: after the quarterback, and if that's available, that's something that

2576
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: you might want to look at going after, even if

2577
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Shack and Jordan are back next season, just because of

2578
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: how tough that is to get later in the later rounds.

2579
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:22,720
Speaker 1: After Chase Young, who all, by all accounts or most accounts,

2580
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: he's the best player in this draft as a pass rusher.

2581
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 1: What do you have some names of guys below him

2582
02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 1: or how like how far down it goes where these

2583
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: guys are really top flight players. Yeah, there's been a

2584
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:38,160
Speaker 1: couple players that have been mocked quite a few times

2585
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 1: for the Bills at number twenty two. One of those

2586
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 1: guys is aj Epenessa. He is an edge out of Iowa.

2587
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 1: He was a five star going to Iowa. Iowa doesn't

2588
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 1: get too many five stars and so he was one

2589
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: of their five stars that year. I watched some film

2590
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: on him. This kid is six six and two eighty.

2591
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 1: You see that as an edge and you watch his

2592
02:01:01,240 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 1: quickness for how big he is, and it's it's something

2593
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 1: that's really amazing. And he's one of those guys that

2594
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: fits the personality of a defensive end. Your your dog,

2595
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 1: your go getter, your blue collar work ethic type guy.

2596
02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: So I liked what I saw out of him. Uh

2597
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Some other edge rushers that have been mocked are Calavon Chasin,

2598
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: He's from LSU Yeater Grossmatos out of Penn State. Uh So,

2599
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:34,720
Speaker 1: several defensive ends that that could possibly go to the Bills.

2600
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 1: With the twenty second pick of Sean and Brandon, both

2601
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:41,480
Speaker 1: commented on how important that position is in the draft

2602
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:44,400
Speaker 1: and in free agency. Maddie Glad from Buffalo Bills dot

2603
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 1: Com joined us, uh So, we're talking about prospects, but

2604
02:01:47,120 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 1: also today was the first time in really a couple

2605
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 1: of months that both Being and McDermott have had much

2606
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:54,240
Speaker 1: to say to the media. What did they say to you, guys?

2607
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:56,160
Speaker 1: We sat with each of them, But what did you

2608
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: get out of the Yeah, of course they're they're talking

2609
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about the combine, but beyond that, there

2610
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 1: were questions about free agency and talking with Shack and

2611
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 1: Jordan and the timeline for all that, and Brandon spoke

2612
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 1: about you know, from now until May, it's there's it's

2613
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna vary for us. He said that after the season ends,

2614
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:22,320
Speaker 1: everybody is just so busy really until the draft is over.

2615
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 1: He said that in the past, most of the time

2616
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,040
Speaker 1: our deals get done in May in general, because that's

2617
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 1: when we have the time. But he said, I think

2618
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,160
Speaker 1: he was saying that Eric Wood, that they got done

2619
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: in May. Haushka, they got done in May. It just

2620
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 1: in the past under this staff. So what else when

2621
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,120
Speaker 1: you come down to this, and I know you spoke

2622
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:45,640
Speaker 1: with McDermott for quite a while, what are some of

2623
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 1: the other interesting points he had These guys are. It's

2624
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:51,800
Speaker 1: interesting because their attitude and their demeanor is so much

2625
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 1: more casual, but their guard is still up in exact.

2626
02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:56,480
Speaker 1: You know, what they're gonna say and what they're gonna

2627
02:02:56,520 --> 02:02:59,200
Speaker 1: give away. They'll talk at length about this last year's

2628
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 1: team and how I would win and all this stuff

2629
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:02,760
Speaker 1: and the philosophies that went into it, and their general

2630
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,240
Speaker 1: draft philosophy and stuff. But when you start talking about

2631
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: the guys, we're actually here to see they're pretty quiet. Yeah,

2632
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,160
Speaker 1: you're shouting. You're shouting into a bucket. You know nobody's

2633
02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 1: hearing you. So what did you notice about you know,

2634
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:17,480
Speaker 1: his demeanor and all of that, but also about um,

2635
02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:19,840
Speaker 1: some of the other things he's looking at about maybe

2636
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,160
Speaker 1: last year's team or this year's team and they're moving forward. Yeah,

2637
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Sean seemed a little bit loose today. And it started.

2638
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: It started off with Brandon Bean went first, so he

2639
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: talked to the local media and while Brandon was talking,

2640
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 1: Sean comes in with a water bottle and puts a

2641
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:37,000
Speaker 1: water bottle in as if if he's asking questions and says, oh,

2642
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,640
Speaker 1: I have a question about the athleticism of Sean McDermott.

2643
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 1: So's he's joking before he's even talking in the media.

2644
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 1: And that's always good to see because you love to

2645
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 1: see coach McDermott loose And thanks to you guys for

2646
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 1: warming him up. He just talked about, of course, the

2647
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:57,360
Speaker 1: excitement of what's to come, wrapping up last season and

2648
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 1: what they've done, and we've heard both Sean and Brandon

2649
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 1: talk about this when they did their wrap up press

2650
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,560
Speaker 1: conferences of the season. But the importance to score more

2651
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 1: points on offense. This is an offense that was ranked

2652
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 1: i want to say lower in a lot of categories

2653
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:16,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and they know it's important to score

2654
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 1: more points. I think they were three points below the

2655
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 1: average of the NFL, and I've talked about that before,

2656
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 1: so they see the importance of that. And they also

2657
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 1: talked about growing the young players on the team in

2658
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:34,640
Speaker 1: terms of leadership. So your Tremaine Edmonds, you're Josh Allen's,

2659
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:38,680
Speaker 1: you're younger, your second year, first year players in the NFL.

2660
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 1: They're now looking at these guys who are going to

2661
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:43,880
Speaker 1: be third and fourth and second year players to step

2662
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 1: up and be those leaders because you have Lorenzo Alexander gone,

2663
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,960
Speaker 1: who was a huge part of the locker room. And

2664
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:52,960
Speaker 1: so now when these players come back in April, the

2665
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,640
Speaker 1: importance is going to be building the leadership and turning

2666
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 1: these younger guys into your glue guys in the locker

2667
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:02,360
Speaker 1: room as they continue to grow and hopefully be a

2668
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 1: core of the Buffalo Bills for many years to come. Yeah,

2669
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 1: and we talked with both of them about that. You

2670
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 1: know what else you're talking about, Maddie. They come to

2671
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 1: this combine in this offseason from a different place than

2672
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 1: they've been there. They're not trying to build a team

2673
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,480
Speaker 1: or create team culture. They're trying to get essentially from

2674
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:22,200
Speaker 1: ten wins to twelve or thirteen wins. And it's it's

2675
02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 1: harder than I thought it was. It really is. And

2676
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 1: you take the time this week to evaluate and to

2677
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:30,280
Speaker 1: look at how these guys test with all the different

2678
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: things that they'll be doing from the forty to the bench,

2679
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 1: to vert to interviews. And then you also look at

2680
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 1: what's available in the free agent market and you have

2681
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: to weigh those two and what you want to go

2682
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 1: after in free agency versus the draft. And then of

2683
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:47,280
Speaker 1: course a big question is do you make the defense

2684
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,680
Speaker 1: stronger first or do you look to build the offense first?

2685
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:54,120
Speaker 1: And I'll be talking to a lot of analysts and

2686
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 1: head coaches and gms over the next few days to

2687
02:05:57,200 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 1: see what they think the Bills should do that because

2688
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 1: it's a great defense that we have, but you can

2689
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 1: always make a defense stronger. You want to see our

2690
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,880
Speaker 1: Twitter poll question, yeah, because it goes exactly what you're

2691
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:11,280
Speaker 1: saying here. It is it's um, what's the biggest challenge

2692
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,360
Speaker 1: for the Bills this offseason? Draft? Well, thirty four percent

2693
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 1: say that's it. Find offensive players, playmakers and free g

2694
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 1: thirty three percent. Don't let the defense regress, keep it

2695
02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 1: wrong thirty percent. It's exactly what you're talking about. Yeah,

2696
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,480
Speaker 1: they can't afford to let the defense go backwards. No,

2697
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:28,440
Speaker 1: you've you've got to keep making it stronger. There's so

2698
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,240
Speaker 1: many different things they can do in this draft and

2699
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: free agency. I look at the offense first. I would

2700
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,440
Speaker 1: love to see them score more points because the defense

2701
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 1: kept them in so many games this past season. And

2702
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 1: if you had a player two, you can look back

2703
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,720
Speaker 1: to every game and look to one or two plays

2704
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:46,520
Speaker 1: that would have equated to a touchdown or field goal

2705
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, which would have meant

2706
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,560
Speaker 1: more wins at Oh, by the way, it's a tougher

2707
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:55,200
Speaker 1: scheduled issue. To we whisper that on this show. We

2708
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:57,880
Speaker 1: just whisper it to each other. Right to schedule. Yeah,

2709
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,640
Speaker 1: I looked it up to refresh and I was like, oh,

2710
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 1: chiefs oh all the LA teams. I talked to uh

2711
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:10,600
Speaker 1: Andy Reid today he was on the podium. Asked him

2712
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:13,440
Speaker 1: about how Sean McDermott has built in the last few years,

2713
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 1: and he said, I don't want to give too much

2714
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,480
Speaker 1: away because we play the Bills this season, but I'm

2715
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: really impressed with what he's done in the last three

2716
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 1: seasons at Buffalo. And you know, Sean is someone who

2717
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:27,160
Speaker 1: has learned from Andy, and Andy's had so much success

2718
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL and finally got that Super Bowl ring

2719
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 1: this past year. It's good. So what's what's on the

2720
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: your plate for the rest of this week? What's gonna say?

2721
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:39,320
Speaker 1: Can you make time for us? Maybe always my old friends?

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Speaker 1: Finishing up uh, Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott's article from

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Speaker 1: what they had to say today, So a lot of

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Speaker 1: the things that I talked about will be in that article.

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Speaker 1: Also going to write up an article about the wide

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Speaker 1: receivers and what they had to say, including Bean and

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Speaker 1: McDermott's comments on the wide receiver group. So we'll have

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Speaker 1: two features going out today about that, some features down

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Speaker 1: the road to come about the depth that wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: what people think of that. Uh, just the Bills being

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Speaker 1: back on the map, what what national people have to

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Speaker 1: say about the Bills season this year and what they

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Speaker 1: believe for what's ahead for the Bills. So got some

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Speaker 1: good stuff and the works people are everywhere, so I'm

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Speaker 1: just running around with my phone asking questions. You know,

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Speaker 1: I asked your first good crazy, your first combine, and

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Speaker 1: you said, you've kind of been through this SEC media. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I was at Tennessee for four years before this,

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Speaker 1: and we had SEC media days, which was where the

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Speaker 1: head coach and three players went to represent the school

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and every other SEC team was there too. So

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Speaker 1: it was crazy, but it definitely wasn't this crazy. So

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of used to it, but this is definitely

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Speaker 1: on another level because it's the NFL. Yeah, that's theoretically

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Speaker 1: it's on a different level. Thanks Maddie. We'll see you tomorrow. Problem.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask the producer I never asked made every

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Speaker 1: day seeks you on with us tomorrow? Can you work

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Speaker 1: her into the budget? Do you? Why not? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like leaving out there is maybe maybe check ja

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Speaker 1: may not be all right. We got a break coming

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Speaker 1: up here and then we're back. It's One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Klata Hell from the NFL Scouting Combine. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. Okay, what have we learned? Brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental company

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Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. Are you all right over there?

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02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,920
Speaker 1: See what happened? Well, no, I want to talk about it.

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02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: I pinched my finger in the chair. Somebody who bit

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Speaker 1: him right when we came on the air. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I thought I almost broke my finger. Go ahead, what

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Speaker 1: have we learned? Thank you? What have we learned? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Presented by Skyworks. We had Charles Davis from the NFL

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Speaker 1: Network on the show with us today. He talked about,

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Speaker 1: in general, the amount of overall talent this year at

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Speaker 1: the scouting combine. A ton of talent. I think that

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Speaker 1: we you know, the receivers have been you know, the

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Speaker 1: talk for weeks going into this and rightly so. There

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Speaker 1: are plenty of good defensive backs because you have to

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02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 1: have to start to have an answer to these receivers

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02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:12,760
Speaker 1: like Sea rundown Field beat me up that way, then

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Speaker 1: you've got a better crop of offensive linemen. I think

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Speaker 1: this year that maybe we've had in recent years, especially

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Speaker 1: at the tackle position, which is always the kind of

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Speaker 1: the glamor thing that we talk about quarterbacks that drives things.

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Speaker 1: And we may have a guy sneak up there and

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Speaker 1: get into the first round that maybe we didn't anticipate

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Jacobisa from Washington is now kind

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Speaker 1: of the talk of can he move his way up

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Speaker 1: and become that guy? And maybe we have four quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: going the first We have plenty of runners, but how

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Speaker 1: high do people want to go for runners? That is

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Speaker 1: Charles Davis who also talked with Bill's GM Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: today and we asked him his philosophy on the draft.

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Speaker 1: How do you draft good players? Who's a Brandon meadst

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Speaker 1: a perfect world? Free agency sets you up for the

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Speaker 1: draft to be able to reach and not take uh

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Speaker 1: what you what you need, take what your board says

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Speaker 1: you need to take for the best value of the player.

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Speaker 1: And because you never go wrong drafting good football players.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we have to remember. I am of

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Speaker 1: the opinion draft a good football player. Uh, that's what's

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Speaker 1: gonna make you strong, and a wrong because injuries happen

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02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:20,840
Speaker 1: in our game. So many things happen in our game

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, we're set at this spot. That can

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Speaker 1: change in an instant. So let's let's get good football

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Speaker 1: players and we'll find spots for him again later in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Steve, if you know, if we haven't drafted

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Speaker 1: a certain position and we still need a couple, and

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Speaker 1: we're there's no way this other position would make our

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Speaker 1: roster anyway, Then you start heading towards need Brandon being

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Speaker 1: the Bills a GM. Yo. It struck me, Steve as

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Speaker 1: we wrap things up in my overriding impression today, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're eager to hear this, but not just talking

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Speaker 1: to Brandon, but talking with Talasco, Tom Talsco, another general manager.

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Speaker 1: And look, people come here and they have they have

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Speaker 1: mocked drafts, and they have they should draft them. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna draft him. A're gonna draft that. They're gonna do this,

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Speaker 1: and even the gms don't quite know just yet. And

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Speaker 1: and there's no re they don't have to know. They're

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Speaker 1: not drafting tomorrow, right, they don't have to have their

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Speaker 1: draft together tonight, you know what I'm saying. And both

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Speaker 1: to LESCo and Brandon mean, I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: would say admitted, but they both said day, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how it's gonna break down. Yeah, And it's almost

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Speaker 1: like they reverse shop. It's like I don't want that,

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Speaker 1: I don't want that. I don't want that, I don't

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Speaker 1: want that. All these other guys maybe because they don't

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Speaker 1: know how it's gonna fall, but they do. It isn't

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Speaker 1: It's almost an exercising exclusion. And that's weird because all

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Speaker 1: of us, you and me, I'm like, I like that.

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Speaker 1: I hope they get that guy and I hope they

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Speaker 1: get that guy. And for them, it's almost the opposite.

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Speaker 1: They just cut away the guys that they don't want

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Speaker 1: on their board because they know, you know, even the Bills,

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Speaker 1: everything goes as a plan. They're gonna get nine guys, nine,

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Speaker 1: not three hundred and thirty five that are here at

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Speaker 1: the combat. They get nine, and they gotta have guys

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Speaker 1: they like, and that's it's an exercising exclusion. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's I forget that every year we get here. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow show should be good. Today was good, but tomorrow

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Speaker 1: we got Sean McDermott, a long extended interview with the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Bills at this fourth Guy Combine

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Speaker 1: its head coach of the Bills. Also tomorrow, Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 1: joins us. Tomorrow run around twelve noons, so we got guests,

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Speaker 1: We got plenty of content coming up here tomorrow. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're able to join us tomorrow on the show,

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02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of help putting everything together today, including

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Speaker 1: help from Karina and Jonathan and Jimmy Action and that

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Speaker 1: crew and our normal production assistant both here and in

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Speaker 1: Orchard Park. We want to thank them all, including George Blast,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Coltneck, Thomas honald Er, Kelly Rude, jj Urito, Kevin Krgis,

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Speaker 1: and James Roebel. Our producer here, Jay Harris. That'll do

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Speaker 1: it for us today from the Combine, but we're back

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Speaker 1: for tomorrow. We'll be back at twelve noon three pm

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Speaker 1: with Daniel, Jeremiah and Sean McDermott. Who else. There's somebody

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Speaker 1: else we had, oh My Kennon Tennant, former New York

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Speaker 1: Ties with ESPN Now good show tomorrow. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: joined us at twelve noons. That'll do it for us today.

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Speaker 1: It's One Bill's Life, presented by Kalida Health from the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Combine in the NFL Scouting Combine and Indie. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio.