1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: boxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching fsr b'mbing up America 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: a great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: single day from two places, sunny southern California and sunny beautiful, 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: absolutely stunning, Green Bay, Wisconsin. Eh, welcome in. So. Uh, 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of I don't want to say, little stories, 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: but interesting stories. You know, we run into this on 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: many Wednesdays here right where, you know, Monday is like 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: kind of story overload. Right, we had week two Tuesdays. 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Generally we get to college football some on Tuesdays. Uh, 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: but because there was two Monday night football games, because 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: of the Tom Brady story, it felt like Tuesdays were 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: more kind of NFL focused. Wednesdays kind of the lull day. 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: Right. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: You got Thursday night football, you get baseball. I did 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: find myself watching some w NBA playoffs a little bit 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: as I got stuck on on watching Indiana. Part of 23 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: it is stylistically offensively, they kind of play the way 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my team to play. So there 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: there's some interesting stuff there. Right. I know that Dan 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean assumed me that Jay Stu has his feelings 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: about his Dodgers and Dodgers bullpen for the second night 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: in a row. But I thought the topic of Joe 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Burrow was an interesting one and I'd love Dan and 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Jay your your input a little bit. I'll give you 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: my thoughts and the the The question is always were 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals so focused on building for Joe Burrow with 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: skill position players that they didn't build well enough with 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: the offensive line, They not do enough with scheme and 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: with personnel to protect him. Dan Pitcher is their offense 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: coordinate with the Bengals, He said, quote, we have special 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: skill players. This is what he said to the Cincinnati Inquirer. 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: We want to accentuate those skilled players. We want to 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: try and do things. How do we accentuate their skill set? 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: How do we do it in a way in which 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: we're limiting the amount of the times that Joe's potentially gonna 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: get hit. There's no one decision that solves it. Everything 43 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: costs something. So we constantly think about these things, and again, 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: I hate that we're in the spot that we're in. 45 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: You always evaluate and reevaluate and do it over and 46 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: over again, but we can only make the decisions in 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: the moment that give us a chance to win. So, 48 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, this is the old Hey, skills a players, 49 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: we'd like to get you paid, but if we pay 50 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: all of you, we don't have the money left over. 51 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: We don't have the money left over to build a 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: top level offensive line. Now, if you look back three 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: years or so ago, right that year or how many 54 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: was it four years ago that they went to the 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, that was a year in which that this 56 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: coaching staff, front office called in the question and they 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: rebuilt the offensive line. And I kind of told people 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: they did, but it wasn't a good enough answer for people. 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: And then you know, they started slow and end up 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: closing hot and getting to a super Bowl. They went 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: back and got to an AFC Championship game. And only 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: now it's like a reoccurring theme that Joe Burrow is 63 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: getting hit so much. He's the new Andrew Luck. I 64 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: would tell you this that I don't know enough about 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: what they did financially, what they did with their offensive line. 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: I know that we have a tendency to overreact some 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: because it's a turf toe injury. And there's also the 68 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: video against the Cincinnati Bengals where he just got obliterated 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: as he released the football. And that one's a hard, 70 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: a jarring, one, hard one to get out of your 71 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: brain when you're thinking about Joe Burrow and then you 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: think about the injuries and now they've stacked up over 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: the years and how many injuries he's had, and you're like, man, 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: this guy's always hurt. But I think there's three different factors. One, 75 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: there's the ownership of Joe Burrow holds the ball a 76 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: long time. That's his Style's he's got some Ben Roethlisberger 77 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: to him where he has brass brass cajones and he'll 78 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: stand in there and take a hit because he wants 79 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: to deliver the football. So some of that is your 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: quarterback holds the ball a little bit longer. Some of 81 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: it is probably in their scheme. How is it that 82 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: he's getting hit that much? And you're talking about accentuating 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: the positives, right, You're putting guys out into routes and 84 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: not leaving enough guys in to have max protect. And 85 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: maybe that's also the bravado of Joe Burrow, like I 86 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: don't care, just get get guys open. I'll find it open. 87 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't care if I get hit now and again, 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: even though those hits seem to be crushing in terms 89 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: of the ferocity of blows. But the last part is 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: probably the most important thing, which is how you're building 91 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: a team. You're gonna have to sacrifice something something, especially 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: when you have either a salary cap or limitations on funds. 93 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: And I can draw the direct parallel to my team 94 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: to college football teams to college basketball teams because they're 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: dealing with Hey, at some point, we just don't have 96 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: any money, so you gotta be judicious with it. I 97 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: said this about Alabama football, right, Alabama football, like they're 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. He's played well since you know, playing okay 99 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: against Florida State. He was under a lot of pressure 100 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: against floors tape. But my guess is they didn't go 101 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: out and pay a couple million dollars. You had a 102 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: guy in house in his third year. He's super happy 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: to be the quarterback at Alabama. I don't think he's 104 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: making a million dollars now, he's probably making I don't know, 105 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: five hundred seven fifty or whatever. And then they'll keep 106 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: as if he's good enough, they'll keep him to stay. 107 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: And he wants to be there, wants to be the 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: quarterback of the Tide, unless you know he wants to 109 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: go elsewhere in cash in. Who knows if he can 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: cash in. But you do that because you know, if 111 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: you have let's say conservatively Alabama has twenty million dollars, 112 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: if you spend five million dollars in a quarterback, well 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: there's going to be a shortfall somewhere. Our scale is different, 114 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: but there's going to be a short fall somewhere. Talk 115 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: about this in the NBA, how the NBA has gone 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: from three stars to two stars, because if you have 117 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: three stars, you can't really have a team around him. 118 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: If you have two stars, you can do pretty well. 119 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: If you have one star, you can have an ensemble cast, 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: which is really really, really good. But you got to 121 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: manage those salaries. NFL's no different. You have a salary cap. 122 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: There's a limit to what you can spend and if 123 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: you spend more money than anybody on a wide receiver, 124 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: you spend a ton of money on a quarterback, You 125 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on a secondary wide receiver. 126 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: You spend a ton of money even for a one 127 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: year deal on on your best pass rusher. Something's got 128 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: to give, and there's things you can go cheap on. 129 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: You could even use the home building analogy. Right, you're 130 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: on a budget. You know you're going to go over 131 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: that budget, but how much you're going to go over 132 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: that budget? You know? With flooring, Like there's a floor 133 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: that I put into a couple of different houses and 134 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: it's man made, like man made wood, Like how's it 135 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: man made? Would I don't know, I don't know how 136 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: it works, but I know that generally you go back 137 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago and I never would have either bought 138 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: a house or in a house put in anything other 139 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: than traditional hardwood floors. But one kind of like field too, 140 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: kind of like how it how much it costs, and 141 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: I like how it looks. But when am I giving up? 142 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm giving up saying these are hard real hardwood floors. 143 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Something's got to give. You get a budget on you're 144 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: redoing your kitchen. You know, do you use courts for countertops? 145 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: Do you use marble for countdops? Marble is great, it's 146 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: really expensive and make that much difference in the courts 147 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: because if you do, then all right, what is something's 148 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: got to give? Right? How big is the hood on 149 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: the on the at the stove and what level of 150 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: appliance you use? You only have a set budget, and 151 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: that's where the Bengals are. Bengals forever have been told 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: that they're cheap, and maybe they have been on some 153 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: ancillary things, but they've paid their players, especially their star players, 154 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: to stay. They like to keep their own But in 155 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: terms of building an offensive line and building a system 156 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: that protects their most prized asset, it seems like they failed. 157 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: But there's also some accountability there for Joe Burrow. And 158 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: my guess is that the reason that there's a shortfall 159 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: there is because they spent money not just on elite 160 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: wide receiver, but the secondary wide receiver and something's got 161 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: to give. Dan, what do you think? 162 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: Gosh, it's such an interesting situation because I think a 163 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: lot of what you said is true, and I think 164 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: that there's some faults that you laid out correctly on 165 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow of maybe holding the football a little too long. 166 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: I think Doug that everything that we would say about 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is what we would say about the Bengals 168 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: front office. It's what we say about Zach Taylor. The 169 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: team has tried to address their offensive line, used a 170 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: first round pick on a tackle in twenty twenty four. 171 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, they signed to Orlando Brown, 172 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: who was one of the top free agents at that point. 173 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: Brown manning the left tackle spot, so it's not like 174 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: they were completely negligent about it. However, for some reason 175 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: the players are developing, their interior line continues to be weak. 176 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor continues to be criticized. No matter how good 177 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: the offense is, it's still about protecting Burrow, doing things 178 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: that could maybe make the defense react in a certain 179 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: way that could allow him time. There's blame to go 180 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: all around, but I think at the surface, when you 181 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: just invest the amount of money, specifically with t Higgins 182 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: because he had thought to be on the move for 183 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 3: so long, there's just no way to get out from 184 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: under it. And it's also why your team has to 185 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: score thirty eight points a game, because you don't even 186 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: have the resources to build a solid defense, let alone 187 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: an offensive line to protect Joe Burrow. So it is. 188 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: It is a the Bengals made the move that we 189 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: all thought, I think were the easiest move, and sometimes 190 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: those easiest moves aren't the right moves. 191 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: That's totally fair. And then you get to the whole 192 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: discussion about how how the NFL quarterbacks. You know, we 193 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: will do this every year, and I'm sure it'll happen 194 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: this year. I don't recall it happening yet where there's 195 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: a really really soft personal foul call for roughing the 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: passer and you know everyone said, well, that's not football. 197 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: He not even heard, does it? Okay? But I don't 198 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: think in the moment, we're considering how big a drop 199 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: off it is, how big a buzz kill it is 200 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: when you lose these starting quarterbacks. It's like, do you 201 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: want guys to be called for these little penalties? And 202 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: you know it's real when they slide, you gotta let 203 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: up and you can't hit him in the head with 204 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: your hand, even when you're trying to deflect the football 205 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: and your hand naturally comes down. I get it. But 206 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: the flip side to it is flip side to it 207 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: is when those guys do get hit in the head 208 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: and get concussed, it becomes a house of cards. Very 209 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: few teams can afford a backup quarterback. The backup quarterback 210 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: generally hurts the quality of play, the watchability of a game. 211 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, we're all kind of beholding to these starting quarterbacks. 212 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: Teams are as well, and that's why the game is 213 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: probably overficiated as such. 214 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: You know Doug in their Super Bowl run. We look 215 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: at Joe Burrow and the contract that that he was on, 216 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: and Jamar Chase Ye in the rookie deal that he 217 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: was on, and the same thing with t Higgins. You 218 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: also had a secondary there was thought to be one 219 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: of the best, if not the best, in the NFL 220 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 3: at that time, and nobody's left. Everybody is gone for 221 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: one reason or another, Like you know, Jesse Bates left 222 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: to go to Atlanta, got paid there. But this is 223 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: the that's the trickle down effect of these contracts as well. 224 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: It's the same thing as a Seahawks fan that you 225 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: had to make a decision on. And I thought John 226 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: Schneider did a great job in getting guys on lesser 227 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: deals than others. But there are decisions that you have 228 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: to make, and sometimes it just kind of starts to 229 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: trickle down. And I think that's what we're seeing here 230 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: with the Bengals. Like their secondary in that Super Bowl 231 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: year was magnificent. They had a lot of pieces on defense. 232 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: Now most of those pieces are gone, let alone the 233 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: problems with the offensive line protecting Joe Burrow, which has 234 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: been an issue throughout his career. 235 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: This is the best of the Don dot Leap Show 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio. 237 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: Hey, what up there, It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. 238 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: You having a good day. You're gonna for the next 239 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: hour and oh yeah, by the way, after this hour, 240 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: you want to download the podcast. You can hear the 241 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: whole show plus the in the Bonus podcast, which is 242 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: a special hour edition you can't hear on radio. You 243 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: can only get when you download the podcast wherever you 244 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: download podcasts. Hour two is always awesome, right, always awesome. 245 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: R J. Young's gonna join us. He is the he 246 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: has the number one show, which is a huge college 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: football podcast. He's also gigantic Oklahoma Homer Big week this 248 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: week for the Sooners. They just demolish Temple. Now they 249 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: bring in Auburn right first SEC game and Auburn's quarterback 250 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: was Oklahoma's quarterback Jackson Arnold last year. Can't wait to 251 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: talk with R. J. Young, the guy who was the 252 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: next guy is now with Auburn, and then John Matteer. 253 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: Now maybe he's the next Oklahoma quarterback to win the 254 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. As he is. I think the Empires said 255 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: yesterday he's the betting favorite to win the Heisman. Dan 256 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: can definitely correct me if I'm wrong. I'm right, Okay, 257 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: thanks Dan. Anyway, we'll get to some college football upcoming. 258 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Also got to talk Tush Push. I saw something on 259 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: First Things First which I thought was absolutely brilliant, and 260 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: we'll we'll play that off versus something that an Eagles 261 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: offensive lineman said about the Tush push this past week. 262 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: That'll be upcoming in fifteen minutes. But it is the 263 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: middle of the week. It's a Wednesday. It is the 264 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: middle of the day, right, I mean one on the west, 265 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: three on the east. You're not going to bed at 266 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: seven in the night. It's the middle of your day, 267 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: and it's the middle of our show. We have two 268 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: hours of live radio, one hour of podcast, which which 269 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: lands in your queue at the top of the hour, 270 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: so we do something called the Midway. He's not getting. 271 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: It's time for stuck in the middle. 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He went viral as he's protecting this turf. 281 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: I guess Dabo, and you guys can correct me if 282 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 5: I'm wrong. They lost a game on Saturday they that 283 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 5: most people thought they should have won, and they're one 284 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 5: and two on the season and the knives are out 285 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 5: and Dabbo took time yesterday to address this. 286 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 6: If they want me gone, they if they tired of winning, 287 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 6: they can send me on the way, because that's all 288 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 6: we've done is win. So if they tired of winning, 289 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 6: we've had We've won this league eight out of the 290 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 6: last ten years. 291 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: Is that not good. 292 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 6: I'm just asking is that good. 293 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good or not. 294 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: To win your league eight out of ten years, to 295 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 6: go to playoffs seven out of ten years, being four 296 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 6: national championships, went it twice. Yeah, we little down right. 297 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 6: Now take your shots. But I got a long memory case, 298 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 6: y'all don't know. 299 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: We'll be all right. We'll bounce back. 300 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 6: This is a program built to last, always has been, 301 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 6: always will be. 302 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: And I would just say, if. 303 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 6: You give up on us, if you don't believe on us, 304 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 6: because we've lost two games down to the last trade 305 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 6: and we're wanting. You didn't believe in us anyway, so 306 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 6: it don't matter. You wasn't all in anyway. 307 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: If you all in, you burn the ships. 308 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: Man. 309 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 6: There ain't no exit strategy like you're freaking all in. 310 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 6: And hey listen, I mean Clempston's tired of winning. They 311 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: send me on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else, 312 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 6: and I ain't going. 313 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: To the beach. Hell, I'm fifty five. 314 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 6: I got a long way to go. Y'all gonna have 315 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 6: to deal with me for a while. I had a 316 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: long way to go. I'm just getting going. I'm just 317 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 6: now good enough to be a head coach. 318 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 5: Now, you guys are the college football guys. Doug, you're 319 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 5: a head coach, Dan, you follow the sport closely from 320 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 5: a thirty thousand foot view on this. If I could 321 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 5: as just listening to that SoundBite, that sounds like a 322 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 5: guy who has made more money than he could spend, 323 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 5: who if you want to buy him out, would be 324 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 5: a tremendous amount of money that is grandkids probably couldn't spend. 325 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 5: And I'm going to say whatever I want, so get 326 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 5: rid of me and I'll probably get a really good 327 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: job next. That sounds like a guy that could kind 328 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 5: of take her leave things. But you guys might disagree. 329 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: I love it. I don't think it has anything to 330 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: do with anybody buying him out. I think that was 331 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: really at the whether it's fine bombs or inner net 332 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: trolls of the world right understanding the reality of it. 333 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: And again, I have a lot to say on Clemson, 334 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: and I'll say it, but again my thing is, I 335 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: don't think that was Hey, he's spent too much money. 336 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: It's he knows that coaching football and coaching, and the 337 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: one thing the Playoff allows is for real coaching, which 338 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: is what do you look like at the end of 339 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: the season, and we can keep getting better. So I 340 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: think that was more at the Internet or at X 341 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: and social media than it was Clemson administration, Clemson boosters, 342 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: Chase Dan, what do you think? 343 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: And it very it may well be that that could 344 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: be the case with Dabbo. And I actually will side 345 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: with Dabbo on this in the fact that Clemson, we 346 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 3: all know this, clemsoning used to be a verb when 347 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: you lost the game you should have won, or blew 348 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: it in some crazy fashion. That was clemsoning, and that 349 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: happened prior to Dabbo, and it happened years after the 350 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: year after year, season after season. Something that you think 351 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: could go right for the Tigers ultimately wouldn't and he 352 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: turned it around. And I understand that this new age 353 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: of college football is one that a lot of people 354 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: are adjusting to, and Dabbo may seem like a fossil 355 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: or an antique because of the new way of college football. 356 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: But I hate it when coaches get run out of 357 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: town for stuff that they shouldn't have And considering where 358 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 3: Clemson was prior, I think that Dabbo has at least 359 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: another two years of goodwill built up for the run 360 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: that he put them on. And that doesn't even include 361 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: Doug everything that you said about the current state of 362 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: college football and what is the real goal at the 363 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 3: end of the season. Their loss to LSU wasn't great, 364 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: but you know what, it's really not going to hurt 365 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: them in the law long run. And when you look 366 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: at the ACC seems to be there for the taking. Sure, 367 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: you lose a game at Georgia Tech, new squash, Georgia 368 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: Tech's pretty good football team. Yep, those things happen. So 369 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: for a fan base that now seems like they're spoiled, 370 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: it's those spoiled brats that I think Dabo is talking to. 371 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: And I may not agree with everything that he does 372 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: with with it coaching in how they build their team, 373 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: but I am one hundred percent behind him in what 374 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 3: he said in defending his record and what he has 375 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: done for that school. 376 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me get into the state of college 377 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: football thing. Their deal is they want to stay out 378 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: of the portal. They want all you know, hey, where 379 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: get our guys, keep our guys, grow our guys, and 380 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: go from there. And here's the thing that look, no 381 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: one actually knows what the best way to do it is, 382 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: and the best way to do it at one place 383 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: might not be the best way to do it it 384 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Now, the one thing Dabo had going for 385 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: him that others did not was he had, you know, 386 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: eight nine years of excellence before you know, he had 387 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: a couple like five unbelievable years before the portal started, 388 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: before playing players really started. So he did have a culture, 389 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: he did have the backing of everybody. He could have 390 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: done it a bunch of different ways. We're all I'll 391 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: agree with Dabo is like, I don't think they have 392 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: the money of a Georgia. I don't think they have 393 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: the money of an SEC. And so if you want 394 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: to compete at the highest level when you're not at 395 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: that level financially, you got to find a different way 396 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: because you just can't load up. It's it's like, it's 397 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: the reason that moneyball exists in baseball. 398 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 6: Right. 399 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: The A's had no chance of outbidding the Yankees, just none, 400 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: or the Dodgers or any of these big market even 401 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: the Giants, right, they just don't have that much money. 402 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: So I just we're all trying to figure out what 403 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: the best avenue is for our university and it's a 404 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: trial and err thing. And again last year is a 405 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: perfect example. Didn't look great out of the gate, but 406 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: they end up coming around and winning the ACC right 407 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: and going to the playoffs and ultimately, you know, did 408 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: they live up to the Hey, can you have a 409 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: high retension rate and win a national championship? 410 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 6: No? 411 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: They were a notch below talent wise the elite elite teams, 412 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: but they had a level of consistency and that I 413 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: think he believes is their avenue. Yeah, he's absolutely earned 414 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: the right for more time. And I do think I 415 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: told you last year, I was cheering for him because 416 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: I like that way. I think that's I think you 417 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: can build the true college experience. I think you can 418 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: bring great culture. I think you're going to have more 419 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: consistent ten win years that way, even though you may 420 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: not have a national championship that way. That's the hard part, right, 421 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: like the going all in every year for new players 422 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: and new pieces. I think the highs and the lows. 423 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: It's Florida State. Two years ago, Florida State doesn't lose 424 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: a game. Last year, Floristate wins two games. This year. 425 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: I think they're back to being good. Could be next 426 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: year because you just year by year there's such volatility. 427 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: He's building for consistency. I think that's the smarter play. 428 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: It's the more consistent play. But again, like you have 429 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: to preserve the right, you might be wrong because no 430 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: one's ever experienced college sports in this era. It's new 431 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: to everybody. Everybody. 432 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: I just wouldn't want to be the president or the 433 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: ad or the boosters or whoever, to be the one 434 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 3: to run Dabble out of town. 435 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: But you know where he's gonna go, right, I mean, 436 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: everybody knows what happens. Well, he sits there and waits, 437 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: and if Calen Boy gets fired, he gets the job 438 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: at Alabama. 439 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 3: Yes, that seems to be a possible landing spot, but 440 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: it should never come to that. 441 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: It really shouldn't add Clemson. He is Clemson football. 442 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: And I would also say, Doug that, And I'll use 443 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: your sport as an example of someone like coach k 444 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: who transitioned and altered the way that they did things 445 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: because of a different landscape in college basketball. Sure that 446 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: Dabbo at least, if he's stuck in his ways now, 447 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: at least deserves the runway for the next couple of years. 448 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: To continue to really analyze if what he is doing 449 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: right now is correct or if he does need to 450 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: turn it around. And that's something that you shouldn't throw 451 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 3: away because of two losses in one score games to 452 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: one team that's three and nine again, Georgia Tech, I 453 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: think is a pretty good football team and LSU at home. 454 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: I know that LSU I'll played Clemson in that game, 455 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: but still one score game, Like, what are we doing 456 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: here if we're running someone out of town because they're 457 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 3: one and two with a combined loss of you know, 458 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: ten points on their two losses this year. I just know, Yeah, 459 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: I don't I don't like it. I don't like it either. 460 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: I understand that there's an ever changing world of college sports, 461 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: and I think a lot of schools are trying to 462 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: find out ways. We also don't know, Doug on how 463 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 3: much the new revenue sharing deal in the ACC is 464 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: going to affect the top schools because they are expected 465 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: to get more money because of their exposure and what happens, 466 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: So does that put the Miami's in Florida States and 467 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: Clemsons further down the road than the other schools Once 468 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: that really fully takes you know, goes into effect. I 469 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 3: don't know, but just for for Dabble to be dealing 470 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: with this, and I get it, and there's He's said 471 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff previously which kind of makes him 472 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: an easy target for this. But I'm glad that he's 473 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 3: sticking up for himself because I just think it's absurd 474 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: to have this sort of conversation. 475 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: Look, I'd even I'd even link in Mike Gundy at 476 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: MI alma mater right where you know they get blasted 477 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: by ORG. And look, the whole deal is he shouldn't 478 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: have played the game. Shouldn't have played the game right. 479 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: That game was scheduled in twenty eighteen. Oregon was eight 480 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: and seven at the time, Oklahoma State was the top 481 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: ten team. The landscape of college ball has changed showed dramatically, 482 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: and I think Mike Gundy and obviously Dan Lanning picked 483 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: on it made it act to be some negative. I 484 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: think my Gundy was trying to be one trying to 485 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: set everybody up for what they were going to see, 486 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: like he knew. And two he's actually trying to give 487 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: them a company like look, they're really well coached and 488 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: they got way more money than we have, Like this, 489 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: this is what he should have said, was this is 490 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: what big time college. If you want to build a 491 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: program at a place like Oregon where you don't have 492 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: great instate recruits, this is what you do. They have 493 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: done it perfectly. That's all you have to say. Okay, 494 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: But the point is that, like, do we think that 495 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: in two years Mike Gundy has forgotten how to coach football? 496 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: No? 497 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: Right, Like he suddenly like completely lost track of how 498 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to coach football. Last year they beat Arkansas and then 499 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it fell apart. Why because Arkansas 500 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: beat him, they lost Like they only had three or 501 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: four difference makers. I think three or four of them 502 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: got hurt. The quarterback end up in a seventh year 503 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: stinking up to join the offensive line wasn't good enough. 504 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: But they lost their difference makers to injury because the 505 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: attrition of early in the season, and they don't have 506 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: the money to have the depth. Then he scraps it 507 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: and has to have a whole new staff. You have 508 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: a whole new staff and you have money for the 509 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: first time, and you go out and spend it. You 510 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: don't know what to like. People are gonna make mistakes, 511 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: make mistakes first time you have money when you haven't 512 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: had money, and you have a new staff, you don't 513 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: have an identity. How are we gonna play? We don't know. 514 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: Guys are showing up late. And then you go and 515 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: play a behemoth like organ and you get pumbled. Guess what. 516 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: Ninety percent of the teams get pumbled by Organ. So 517 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: you know again, My thing is, if you've shown that 518 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: you can win over a decade, which Dabo has, which 519 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Mike Gundy has, you got to give him the benefit 520 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: of the doubt of give him a little bit of runway, 521 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: because this is a completely different era, completely different and 522 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: what your plan is until you see it play out. 523 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: And no, if your plan is, hey, we're gonna win 524 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: this year and you tell everybody we're going all in, 525 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna win this year, and then you don't, that's different. 526 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: But you say, here's our plan, here's what we're gonna try. 527 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: You have to understand you might be wrong and things 528 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: might things might not go well. And that's what's happened 529 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: in Oakland State, and we'll see what's happening in Clemson. 530 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh well, I will finish you with this. This would 531 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: be my last word. Just to jump back to dabble 532 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: for a second. There isn't a game on their schedule 533 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: outside of a home game against Florida State Number seven 534 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: Florida State that they shouldn't win, and that game against 535 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 3: Florida State is a game that is winnable for them, 536 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: so they could run the table as some people pick 537 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: Clemson to win the national title at the beginning of 538 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: the year, if they do go on a run, Doug, 539 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna hear two months from now 540 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 3: is the team I wouldn't want to face in the 541 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: bracket Clemson, just you know, like we would have any 542 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: other the team you don't want to face because they 543 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: would be hot at that time and it would be 544 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: funny on how two months difference would change the air. 545 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: And that is the Midway. 546 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 4: The Midway. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 547 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 4: lineup in the nation yet catch all of our shows 548 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 4: at foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 549 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk about this quote and have a 550 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: true discussion about it. Tua and the Dolphins, obviously struggling, 551 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: they take on the Buffalo Bills now again, they've played 552 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: Buffalo at various times of the year. If there's a 553 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: time of year where he can be successful in Orchard Park. 554 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: This is the time. By the way, he's going to 555 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: have the pressure of playing in front of Dan Byer 556 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: and Jason Stewart. Right, that's that's a lot of pressure 557 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: for a young. 558 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: Quot, big time pressure. 559 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of pressure. Our thanks, by the way 560 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills. They listened to the show. They 561 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: came through with the tickets for the guys. I believe 562 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: that Jason Stewart has committed to jumping off of a 563 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: chair or a platform onto one of those tables for 564 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: Bill's Mafia. Jason, can you confirm or deny? 565 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: I can neither confirm nor deny. Okay, depends on the 566 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 5: how much beer I drink? 567 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Is beer is excessive amounts of beer, copious amounts of 568 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: beer in the pregame, in the pregame itinerary Dann Bier, 569 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: because I know Dan Bier is a big itinerary guy. 570 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: Well, here's the good thing. I can drive, and since 571 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: I don't drink, Jason has carte blanche to do what 572 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: he needs to do so we can get there. We 573 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: land tomorrow at like eleven am local time, so maybe 574 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: we'll get a good nap in quick before the game. 575 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: You guys doing Red Eye, Yes, Red Eye to wear Chicago. 576 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Chicago to then Buffalo, so we will we will 577 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: get a little pregame. Nap game doesn't kick off till 578 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 3: eight fifteen Eastern, so that gives us a little time. 579 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 3: So we'll have plenty of time. But I can be 580 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: the d D designated driver if Jason wants to go 581 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: all out on Thursday night. 582 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: You know the thing you've and I've only been to 583 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Buffalo once in my life is during the NCAA tournament. 584 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: Probably we won both NCAA Tournament games there, and so 585 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: we proceeded to drink Canadian beer. And you know what's interesting, 586 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: there's a reason that nobody goes like when you go 587 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: to I get a beer, like, hey, do you have 588 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: anything Canadian? They just don't. Canadian whiskey, maybe, Canadian beer, 589 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: not so much. Mexican beer. Yes, Canadian beer yeah no, 590 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: yeah no. 591 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: And I'm only doing carry on, so I don't know 592 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 3: how much I could bring back on Buffalo or Canadian things. 593 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's up, let's do this. Let me bring 594 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: in Daniel Jeremiah NFL analysts. Of course, he's the color 595 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: voice color analyst for the LA Chargers. Radio network to 596 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: see him on the NFL network as well. DJ I'm 597 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna play some for you. This is to a tongue 598 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: Byelo I believe it was earlier today and he said 599 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: this about comparing himself to Josh Allen. 600 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 7: Dude, he's he's top tier. 601 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: You know. 602 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 7: If it's not with his arm, it's with his legs. 603 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 7: You know that dude can do nearly anything he wants. 604 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 7: So definitely different skill set for me. I can't do 605 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 7: half of what he does when it comes to running 606 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 7: the ball. 607 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: And any of that. 608 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 7: And then with how he can just chuck a ball 609 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 7: down the field, you know, with how far and the 610 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 7: arm strength that he has, you know, he's supreme when 611 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 7: when it comes to that. 612 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so these are all compliments to Josh Allen, But 613 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: what what you will have is people saying, Oh, you 614 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: can't run like him, you can't throw like him. How 615 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: can we possibly consider you a you know, an elite 616 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: level or even top level reasonable quarterback if you can't 617 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: do half of the things that he can do. What 618 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: did you hear when you when you heard that from Tua. 619 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 2: Look, there's the stuff about two of that you can 620 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: criticize in terms of you know, some of the decisions, 621 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: or you talk about cold weather, or you can talk 622 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: about some of the physical limitations. But like I think 623 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: we would all agree too, has always been a first 624 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: class kid and now a man. I think he's just 625 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: saying nice things about a guy in his division and 626 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: acknowledging how gifted and how talented he is. But I 627 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: don't think that's you know, he's also humble where he's 628 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: not gonna say what his strength is and his his 629 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: style of play and his strength is all in processing 630 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: and and you know, accuracy and quick decision making when 631 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: he's when he's going well, which he hasn't been, when 632 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: he's when he when he is going really well, that's 633 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: his strength. And we've seen numerous times, you know, over 634 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: the years where guys who had that strength you go 635 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: back to, you know, like Joe Montana's that was his strength, 636 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: or Breeze that was his strength, and new of those 637 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: guys are were the most athletic of their era or 638 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: the biggest or the strongest of their area. But there 639 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: you know their brand of football could work. So now 640 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: two is a much much lower version of that. But 641 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't read too much into that. I think he's 642 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: just a classy dude who's trying to say some really 643 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: nice things about Josh Allen. 644 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: Well Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, 645 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: now we have two weeks of tape. How fixable are 646 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: the Dolphins problems? 647 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know. To me, it's it's 648 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: not even just you know, what is it in terms 649 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: of player you know, the personnel that you're rolling out 650 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: there and those things. It's almost just watching it from 651 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: an energy standpoint and a body language standpoint and all 652 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: those things, it just isn't It isn't a great vibe 653 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: watching that group right now. So I don't know how 654 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: that gets turned around or how that changes. And I 655 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: think that's probably where you see some criticism, you know, 656 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: coming towards the head coach from that. From that standpoint, 657 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: but their offensive line from a physical standpoint is not good. 658 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: I don't really think they can run the football like 659 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: you need to run the ball to be balanced. I 660 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 2: think in the passing game they still do some good things, 661 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 2: but my biggest takeaways are just the energy, the body language, 662 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: the lack of physicality, the struggling offensive line like those 663 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: are those are definitely worrisome. 664 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does not feel like a well, 665 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: it feels like the ship is taking on a lot 666 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: of water and it's at some point we're going to 667 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: declare it's sunk, right, it just does. 668 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's not the team you want to be 669 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: playing when you're zero and two, and it's not where 670 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 2: you want to be playing them either. 671 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: Nope, nope, Let's get to the Chargers one a Monday night. 672 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: Khalil Mack look like a dislocated elbow. I don't know 673 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: what the other damage is. First, when you see this 674 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: Charger team win both of those games, both away from home, 675 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: you know you've seen them for years. Why is this 676 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: team different? 677 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: Well, I think they're building off what they were last year. 678 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: And you know, let's start first of all. I mean, 679 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: the news that just came out on Khalil was, you know, 680 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: he's going to go on a short term I r 681 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: so four weeks, but thankfully the season's not over. It's 682 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 2: you know, dislocated elbow. He can brace it up and play, 683 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: So you know that was big news, not losing him 684 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 2: for the season, because it did not look good live 685 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: when it happened. But you know, why is this team different? 686 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: I think when you're you know, the foundation was last year, 687 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 2: which was a really good foundation. And let's start defensively. 688 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 2: This team was the number one defense in the NFL 689 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: and yards allowed last year. So you come back, they've 690 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: gotten some some more personnel to throw into that mix, 691 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: with some the defensive line depth with a lot of size. 692 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 2: Now you can build off of the uh, you know, 693 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 2: off the the baseline that you had last year, with 694 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 2: some really really smart players in the back end like 695 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 2: Derwin James and tar Heep Still Lowie Gilman's really really bright. 696 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: You know, Elijah Moulden's out right now, but he's another 697 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: incredibly intelligent guy. So you've got a stud defensive coordinator. 698 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 2: Enjoy him while you got him, because I can't imagine 699 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: Decimnorer isn't a head coach this time next year. But 700 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: you've got that foundation. Now you're building on that. You've 701 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: got incredibly smart team. They're not going to beat themselves. 702 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: They're going to make you methodically drive the ball. And 703 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: you know, you've seen it already with two good quarterbacks 704 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 2: who get frustrated trying to play that way against them. 705 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 2: And you know, so defensively, they're in a great spot 706 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: with a lot more depth than they had last year. 707 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: And then offensively, you know, you get more weapons for 708 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 2: Justin with Keenan Allen coming in there, Conflin's and upgrade 709 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: at the tight end position. You've got two backs who 710 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: I would argue were better than what they had last 711 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 2: year and bring a physicality to it. Joe Waltz just 712 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: taken the left tackle and it's hard for me to 713 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: see a better left tackle in the NFL right now 714 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 2: than the way he's playing. So yeah, there's a lot 715 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 2: of things going right. But I think it's a very 716 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 2: smart discipline team. And the smart thing is what I'd 717 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 2: love to get your thoughts on, because I was talking 718 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 2: to one of the coaches before the game and I said, 719 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, I take a chance to visit all these players, 720 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: and I've done this for eight years with this team. 721 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 2: I said, this is the smartest collection of players. That's 722 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 2: going to mean something. 723 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: I think it absolutely does mean something, you know, I 724 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: you know, we have some guys that are a little 725 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: bit slower learners or whatever, and you know, smart does win. 726 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: It's easier to coach, it's easier to retain. You know, 727 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: it's just all things are easier and sometimes they're too smart, 728 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: too smart for their own good. But and they're questioning 729 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: everything you do. But yeah, I smart. Smart definitely wins 730 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: in sports. Chiefs. Chiefs now they don't have their top 731 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: two wide receivers, right, but Kelsey dropping that ball around 732 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: the end zone, it it felt like kind of looked 733 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: old on that play. It just did. But when they 734 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: get Rice back, when they get Worthy back, how good? 735 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: Where is this team? What does this team look like that? 736 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: I think they're dangerous once they get those guys back. 737 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I'll say that is I 738 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: do think the outside of their offensive line. With Josh Simmons, 739 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: I already think he's a really good player in his 740 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: rookie year, and I think he's only going to get 741 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 2: better as he plays more and gets more comfortable Sue 742 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: Mattia playing next to him is you know, he was 743 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 2: bad at tackle, but he's been better inside at guard, 744 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 2: and I think you'll see that left side get better 745 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: as the year goes along. I think eventually they're going 746 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: to come to the realization that, you know, Joan Taylor 747 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: is not good enough at right tackle and they're going 748 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: to have to get him out of there. But adding 749 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: those receivers to the mix will make a big, big difference. 750 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: You know. I think this division is very vulnerable and 751 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 2: and could slip out of their drafts for the first 752 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: time in forever. But it could be one of those 753 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: things where this is a team that you know, they 754 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 2: just need to get into the tournament and have all 755 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: their guys available. If they do that, if they make 756 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 2: the move that I think is necessary at right tackle. 757 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: I think the defense is very well coached. They've got 758 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: good pieces there. It's just going to be as dangerous 759 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: a team as anybody if they if they get into 760 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 2: the tournament. I know it sounds it's a seventeen game season. 761 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 2: We're only two games in and I'm talking like they 762 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 2: don't they aren't going to win the division. But I 763 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 2: think when you've been where they've been, they're just worried 764 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: about trying to get at Lombardi and they need to 765 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 2: get into the tournament. And if they're healthy and get 766 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: into the tournament, that's that's still a very very dangerous team. 767 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: No question about it. Okay, you've seen the Raiders up 768 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: close calling the game this week. I just end of 769 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: the day, I think sometimes we fall in love with 770 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: the Geno story, right, because he was so maligned, especially 771 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: the early years in New York. He's had this resurgence, 772 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: but just he's not in the league quarterback. He's never 773 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: been in the league quarterback, and yet we act like 774 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: because he's been doing it so long, he should be 775 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: better than he is. I thought the turnovers were just 776 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: a sign of that's Geno Smith. He's just okay. 777 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's you know, I think there's a 778 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: book that's out there now and you just you know, 779 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: not everybody reads it, I guess, but the you know, 780 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 2: if you want to blitz Gino, Gino is incredibly smart, 781 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: and Gino is a very gifted thrower. So what happens 782 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: when you send extra guys to go get him, is 783 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 2: you clear up the picture on the back end, and 784 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: he's going to find your vulnerability and he's going to 785 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 2: be able to process it quickly and he's going to 786 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 2: be able to cut you up. And that's what he 787 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: did against the Patriots the week before. The Patriots tried 788 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 2: to blitz him, and he destroyed him on the blitz. 789 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 2: The Chargers didn't do that. The Chargers were creative with 790 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 2: some of their four man pressures where they have some 791 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 2: sim pressures where they're dropping guys out and maybe bring 792 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: Derwin from depth, or maybe bring someone off off the nickel. 793 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 2: But they made him have to throw the ball through 794 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 2: the forest, you know, with a lot of bodies back there. 795 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: He nicked quite a few branches. There were fifteen path 796 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: breakups in that game. So to me, that's kind of 797 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 2: the book on him and how you play him. But 798 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 2: you know, inevitably, some some coaches, Hey, we're an aggressive team, 799 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 2: we're at blitzing team. This is what we do. Well, 800 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 2: good luck, that's not the that's not the formula against Gino. 801 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: The Bengals, Well, we talked about this to start the show. 802 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: They have. It's not for lack of trying, right, They've 803 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: they've invested sources like draft picks in lineman. But now 804 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: in this offseason they put so much of their resources 805 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: into their skill positions. How much of this is Joe 806 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: Burrow holding the ball too long? How much of this 807 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: is the scheme that leaves him unprotected, and how much 808 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: of it is hey, they didn't do enough in terms 809 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: of giving the offense the resources to protect him. 810 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably start first of all with just 811 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 2: the I mean, we could say they've they've they've put 812 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 2: resources there, They've taken some guys high in the draft, 813 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 2: and some of them haven't necessarily panned out. I think 814 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 2: you just have to keep doubling down and going back 815 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 2: until you get that right, and that needs to be 816 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 2: your focus. So I think that's a that's a big 817 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,720 Speaker 2: part of the problem. You know, Joe holding the ball. 818 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 2: You know, I see some of that, But to me, 819 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 2: I would put it more on the personnel that's in 820 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: front of him and just how they chose to invest 821 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 2: their dollars. I get what they were doing in the 822 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 2: offseason because the defense was historically bad last year. You 823 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 2: lose all these games where you're scoring over thirty points, 824 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: it stands to reason that hey, we need to we 825 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 2: need to take some guys on the defensive side of 826 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 2: the ball. But man, it's to me, I'd just much 827 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 2: rather air on the side of having way too many 828 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: offensive lineman, way too many good offensive lineman and trying 829 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 2: to plug some holes on the other side than to 830 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 2: put him in jeopardy. And he's proven that he's he's 831 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: not super durable, so even all the more reason to 832 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 2: double down and invest even more on that issue. 833 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's now, 834 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: what do we do with Russell Wilson where he plays 835 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: unbelievably well but did have a leg turnout. 836 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that was still in him, 837 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 2: to be honest, And I don't know what that says 838 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 2: about Russ or what that says about the Cowboys. I 839 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 2: guess we'll find out as we go through a few 840 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 2: more weeks. But I think that's, you know, for whatever 841 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 2: his limitations have been over the last few years, that's 842 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 2: still a guy he's had a lot of success in 843 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 2: this league, who has a lot of pride, and I 844 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 2: think you absolutely saw his best. So I'm not as 845 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 2: optimistic that that's who he is now and you're going 846 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 2: to see a lot more of that going forward. But 847 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 2: at least he bought himself a little more time here 848 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 2: with Jackson Dark kind of nipping in his heels. So 849 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful for him and for their team that there's 850 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 2: more of that. I'm just you know, I wouldn't say that, 851 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 2: I'm confident we're going to see that. And if you 852 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 2: carry that over to Pittsburgh, you know, we saw Aaron 853 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 2: Aaron have a great week one, and it was like 854 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: he's you know, oh, it's all there. It's just gonna 855 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 2: expect that each and every week, and then you fast 856 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 2: forward a week and it doesn't quite look the same. 857 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens with some of these older quarterbacks. 858 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 1: Update me on Kala Williams. What's going wrong there? 859 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 2: Well, actually, you know, and I know a lot of 860 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 2: people have said this this week, but I went back 861 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 2: and went through it again today just as I want to, 862 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 2: you know, just watch it one more time and see 863 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 2: what I'm seeing. I thought for the first first half, 864 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: it wasn't just that strive. The first half of that game, 865 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 2: there was a lot of really good there where he 866 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: was playing within the pocket, he was connecting his feet 867 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 2: in his eyes, he was throwing the ball accurately. There 868 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 2: was a lot of good for a decent sample size there. 869 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 2: And then, uh, in the second half, it just kind 870 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 2: of started to get away from him a little bit, 871 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 2: you know where you know, he saw some kit balls 872 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 2: where he couldn't find a throwing lane. You know, that 873 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 2: was that was concerning. He had a couple other times 874 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 2: where there's guys around his feet, now keep them and 875 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 2: they're they're tackle stinkd ug. I mean, that's their offensive 876 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 2: tackles look terrible. So he got hit and then once 877 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 2: he got hit, had a lot of byes around his feet. 878 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 2: Then you started seeing the disconnect between his eyes and 879 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 2: his feet, and the accuracy took took off on him. 880 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: But I do get some optimism from that knowing you 881 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 2: know what he looked like for half of that game 882 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 2: and maybe a little bit into that third quarter, and 883 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 2: he didn't his his first impulse wasn't just to take off. 884 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 2: He didn't just drop his eyes and look to get 885 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 2: the heck out of there, which he did numerous times 886 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 2: first week. So yeah, I will say progress, progress made, 887 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 2: you know, still overall not not where it needs to be, 888 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 2: but you know, we'll see if it continues trending in 889 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 2: the right direction. 890 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: He's Daniel Jeremiah. You can catch DJ on the Move 891 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: the Sticks podcast that that's the best. Of course, you 892 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: hear them called Chargers games and you see him on 893 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: the NFL Network. DJ, thanks so much for joining us. 894 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:20,959 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being our guest. 895 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Doug