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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Latino USA listener. So this is a sobering reality.

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<v Speaker 2>We know it.

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<v Speaker 1>All too many lives are lost to guns across the

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<v Speaker 1>United States every single day. Mass shootings have devastated entire

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<v Speaker 1>communities in El Paso, in Uvaldi, both of where I

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<v Speaker 1>have been tragedies that have broken our collective hearts and

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<v Speaker 1>that we've covered here at Latino USA. And the first

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<v Speaker 1>question we usually ask is why why did this happen?

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<v Speaker 1>But a new podcast called The Gun Machine from our

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues at WBUR and The Trace, seeks to remind us

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<v Speaker 1>what we usually forget, that in this country there are

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<v Speaker 1>centuries of history of violence that got us here. Hosted

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<v Speaker 1>by reporter Alan Stevens, The Gun Machine looks into the

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<v Speaker 1>past to understand where we are now. For example, how

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<v Speaker 1>early partnerships between mad scientists, gunsmiths, and a fledgling US

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<v Speaker 1>gouvern that actually created the gun industry in the Northeast,

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<v Speaker 1>and a look at how that industry has been partners

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<v Speaker 1>with the government well ever since today. We share with

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<v Speaker 1>you episode two where Alan talks to a historian about

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<v Speaker 1>the racist roots of the Second Amendment and he travels

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<v Speaker 1>down to Florida where he talks to black gun owners

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<v Speaker 1>about why they carry looking at the link between our

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<v Speaker 1>nation's fraud history and why it's so easy to sell

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<v Speaker 1>us guns today. And a warning to our listeners. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode includes some explicit language, so be prepared. Here's episode

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<v Speaker 1>two of the Gun Machine.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's one thing to know about America, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a land of revolution, and no one would know

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<v Speaker 2>that better than a Virginia blacksmith with a plan, Gabriel Prosser.

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<v Speaker 3>He and his brother had in fact created swords as

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<v Speaker 3>part of their weapons in order to fight this rebellion,

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<v Speaker 3>but they knew the swords.

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<v Speaker 2>Gabriel and other early American arrivals had grown tired of

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<v Speaker 2>working under the boot heel of an institution they had

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<v Speaker 2>no stake in creating, no rights, a world where your

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<v Speaker 2>life and livelihood were dictated by born status, not merit.

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<v Speaker 2>So he spread the word to nearly a thousand like

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<v Speaker 2>minded men with a promise.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that all of those who believed in liberty

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<v Speaker 3>would be able to be in this incredible space, would

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<v Speaker 3>be able to enjoy this vibrant democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Gabriel's enemies are better armed, organized, and already suspicious of sedition.

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<v Speaker 2>If he and his men were planning on getting out alive.

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<v Speaker 2>His operation would have to be executed sharply, swiftly, perfectly.

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<v Speaker 3>The plan was to have basically three divisions. One division

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<v Speaker 3>would set a warehouse on fire as a diversionary tactic.

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<v Speaker 3>The other division would go to the treasury and get

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<v Speaker 3>the money in order to be able to pay for

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<v Speaker 3>the insurgents. And the other division would go to the

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<v Speaker 3>armory and get the guns and the ammunition that they

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<v Speaker 3>needed in order to fight for their liberty.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, Gabriel Prosser and his conspirators were some of

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<v Speaker 2>America's first patriots, but you never know it because they

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<v Speaker 2>were black. An enemy they were fighting was the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>to be specific, the plantation. The gun machine looks a

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<v Speaker 2>number of slave people accounted for nearly forty percent. Sure

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<v Speaker 2>you episode two where Alan talks to Historian and his

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<v Speaker 2>followers needed guns to take on the government. Gabe's rebellion

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<v Speaker 2>would ultimately be dashed a freak storm on the even

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<v Speaker 2>the attack shook the resolve of the men one more

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<v Speaker 2>than the others. In particular, a conspirator named Pharaoh.

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<v Speaker 3>He's sitting out there and the rain and the thunder

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<v Speaker 3>is hitting and every time there was a crack of lightning,

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<v Speaker 3>every time there was a burst of thunder. His nerves

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<v Speaker 3>were shattering, and so he was like, Okay, we're gonna die.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna die.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'm going to be free, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to be free by telling my master about this plot.

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<v Speaker 2>Altogether, some seventy men would be arrested, Gabriel his brother,

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty three others would be made examples of and hanged.

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<v Speaker 2>A few others would be sold to plantations out of state,

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<v Speaker 2>and two would be granted freedom for being informants to

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<v Speaker 2>the government. Many Americans may have heard of the Nat

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<v Speaker 2>Turner Rebellion in Virginia or the Stono Rebellion in South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>As a black journalist covering the history of American violence,

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered that there were nearly three hundred slave revolts

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of American history, most of which have

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<v Speaker 2>been purposely erased. And the erasure of those stories is

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<v Speaker 2>connected to the gun I'm Alan Stevens, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to The Gun Machine How America Was Forged by the

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<v Speaker 2>Gun Industry, a podcast by WBR and The Trace. On

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode of The Gun Machine we explain how

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<v Speaker 2>America built its early gun industry. In this episode, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to go back to the actual beginning and ask

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<v Speaker 2>the why, what type of the sign necessitate the need

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<v Speaker 2>for not just militaries to be armed but everyone all

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<v Speaker 2>the time? Today we talk about America's foundation a fear

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<v Speaker 2>and how the gun industry was built on top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter two, Why we Carry It's the sixteen hundreds. In

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<v Speaker 2>Central Europe, two things are about to happen that will

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<v Speaker 2>change the world forever. The first is the invention of

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<v Speaker 2>the flintlock musket. Before that, the systems that sparked the

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<v Speaker 2>gunpowder and guns were finicky and wet or humid conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>But the flintluck musket was reliable, battle tested and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>primed to be exported outside of the mild European temperatures.

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, the Protestant Reformation had swept through Europe. The

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church had long banned the sales of European guns

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<v Speaker 2>to non Catholic nations, but Protestant churches didn't care the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholics to abandon their policy, sparking a mass selloff. Europeans

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<v Speaker 2>dumping guns into new countries, and it was in Africa

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<v Speaker 2>where Europeans will find the closest and most worthwhile commodity

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<v Speaker 2>for trade, human cargo. And just like that, the Triangle

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<v Speaker 2>slave trade was born. The guns for bodies trade was

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<v Speaker 2>so high that by the eighteenth century, records show gunpowder

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<v Speaker 2>accounted for nearly forty percent of European imports to Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>But the firearm wasn't just the lubricant of the slave

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<v Speaker 2>trade abroad, it was also its guarantee right here in America.

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<v Speaker 2>The invention of the firearm was a force multiplier. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the gun that made colonial slavery even possible u

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<v Speaker 2>see Berkeley history professor Brian Delay says the firearm now

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<v Speaker 2>gave regular working colonists the ability to control those in bondage,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they were outnumbered.

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<v Speaker 4>Slavery was a fact in every single colony, and of

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<v Speaker 4>course it was concentrated in the southern colonies. And slavery

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't work without a weapons gap.

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<v Speaker 2>By seventeen seventy five, before we were the United States

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<v Speaker 2>of anything, twenty percent of America's colonial population was enslaved Africans,

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<v Speaker 2>most of them living in the South, all of whom

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<v Speaker 2>posed a potential security risk to established order.

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<v Speaker 4>This required the able bodied, adult male population of white

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<v Speaker 4>colonists to be armed at a far higher rate than, say,

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<v Speaker 4>was the case among average working people in Great Britain

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<v Speaker 4>at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So, if I was a black person living, say in

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<v Speaker 2>seventeenth century America, how would I go about getting my

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<v Speaker 2>hands on a gun? And what opportunities could that make

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<v Speaker 2>for me?

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<v Speaker 3>You would have the opportunity to be whipped thirty nine lash,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the opportunity that you had.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Carol Anderson, a professor of African American history

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<v Speaker 2>at Emmer University, who has been investigating something you probably

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard about in school, the link between the Second

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment an America's long history of slavery and racism. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go ahead and burst that bubble and hurt your

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<v Speaker 2>feelings right now, most Americans subscribe to certain myths about

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation of our country. We hold these truths to

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<v Speaker 2>be self evident, that all men are created equal, But

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<v Speaker 2>that was never the case. The South had gone all

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<v Speaker 2>in on plantation slavery from the start, which brings me

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<v Speaker 2>to the next myth that plantation slavery as a system

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<v Speaker 2>just somehow worked, when in fact, the slave economy was

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous economy, large scale slave rebellions continuously rocked country,

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<v Speaker 2>not to mention many other individual acts of defiance and

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<v Speaker 2>violence in the face of enslavement, enslave people fighting back

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<v Speaker 2>against their enslaver. I'm talking about stabbings, beheading shootings, real

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal shit. But it also meant that plantation societies

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<v Speaker 2>had to function like prison societies. So if you had

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine the South, imagine a network of omnipresent slave

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<v Speaker 2>patrols on the horizons, contraband and shakedowns, and the constant

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<v Speaker 2>looming suspicion that at any given time these plantation owners

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<v Speaker 2>could all get their little slaving heads cut off. In

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen eighty, Virginia prohibits black people from using a gun

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<v Speaker 2>in self defense against white attackers, even if they are free.

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<v Speaker 2>In sixteen eighty one, the Colony of New York bans

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<v Speaker 2>black people from having any sort of weapons. Seventeen forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina's legislature implements state paid bounties for slaves and

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<v Speaker 2>the right for patrollers to keep any guns and other

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<v Speaker 2>contraband plus off the enslaved as personal rewards during shakedowns.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was all before the Revolutionary War. Even took place.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time the colonies began drafting the Constitution, there

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<v Speaker 2>was no standing military, and the creation of one would

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<v Speaker 2>be highly regulated. But at the same time, a number

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<v Speaker 2>of Southern colonies were concerned with the more internal threat

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<v Speaker 2>to their peculiar institution, so they demanded the Constitution include

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<v Speaker 2>a security backstop to their enterprise, give us the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to carry guns, quation surgencies, and support the web of

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<v Speaker 2>slave patrols that had already been established.

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<v Speaker 3>The bad history that we have had about the Second Amendment,

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<v Speaker 3>how it gets cloaked in this nobility of the militia

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<v Speaker 3>fighting off domestic tyranny and fighting off a foreign invasion,

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<v Speaker 3>when in fact the militia really wasn't really good at

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<v Speaker 3>I of those. What it was effective at was putting

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<v Speaker 3>down slave revolts.

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<v Speaker 2>Without the Second Amendment, many southern colonial forefathers refused to

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<v Speaker 2>ratify the Constitution at all.

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<v Speaker 3>The Second Amendment was the bribe to the South to

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<v Speaker 3>not scuttle the Constitution of the United States and to

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<v Speaker 3>therefore not scuttle the nation itself. And it was George

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<v Speaker 3>Mason talking about, we will be left defenseless if this

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<v Speaker 3>militia is put under the control of the Feds. We

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<v Speaker 3>cannot trust the federal government to protect us from these

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<v Speaker 3>black people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I know what you're thinking, why don't I know

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<v Speaker 2>about all this? And that is actually by design. First

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost Americans still struggled to talk about the national

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassment that was slavery. We don't like to think of

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<v Speaker 2>our society as violent, and after the writing of the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 2>it just gets more violent. Like I said earlier, there

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<v Speaker 2>were nearly three hundreds slave uprisings from the country's inception

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<v Speaker 2>to the end of the Civil War. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>read abolitionist newspaper clippings from the Antebellum era, you hear

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<v Speaker 2>of countless other tales of violence and threat escaped slaves

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<v Speaker 2>using contraband revolvers to shoot it out with captors, enslave

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<v Speaker 2>women bludgeting to debt their white assaulters, apparent killing their

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<v Speaker 2>own child rather than return them to the horrors of servitude.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is another reason we don't know about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is a strategic one. Back in the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>insurrection was bad for business. In the eighteen sixties, the

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<v Speaker 2>economic value of the enslaved was worth four billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>and today's money that comes out closer to forty two trillion.

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<v Speaker 2>That was more than all the banks, factories, and railroads

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<v Speaker 2>in the US were worth at the time. Stories and

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<v Speaker 2>plans of rebellion were inspired to black people, and the

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<v Speaker 2>US government was aware of this and acutely aware of

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<v Speaker 2>similar things going on international with successful slaver votes in

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<v Speaker 2>places like Haiti. So there was a desire to keep

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<v Speaker 2>these stories out of public view.

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<v Speaker 3>The Haitian Revolution, I've got to say up front, scared

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<v Speaker 3>the bejeebers out of the founding fathers. When you look

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<v Speaker 3>at their correspondence, they're like, oh, my god, did you

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<v Speaker 3>see what just happened in zent domain. Oh if those

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<v Speaker 3>ideas come here, we are going to be in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>If black people believe that they can be free, that

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<v Speaker 3>these ideas about liberty and justice apply to them, we

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<v Speaker 3>are doomed.

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<v Speaker 2>So these stories were erased from American history, But that

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<v Speaker 2>fear of black people and the need to defend oneself

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<v Speaker 2>from black people didn't go away after the end of

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<v Speaker 2>slavery with the Civil War. In fact, in many regards,

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<v Speaker 2>those fears got worse.

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<v Speaker 5>When thinking about what makes America unique, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>really not that much of a skip and jump to see, well,

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<v Speaker 5>is there anything to do with our history of enslavement,

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<v Speaker 5>our history of civil war in the ways that we've

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<v Speaker 5>thought about who is safe and who is dangerous in

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<v Speaker 5>our country.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Buttrick is a professor of social psychology at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Wisconsin in Madison. He has spent the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years researching how and why America formed its

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<v Speaker 2>current gun culture. What he found was a great deal

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<v Speaker 2>of how we view the need to carry guns today

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<v Speaker 2>stems from the attitudes formed in the wake of reconstruction.

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<v Speaker 5>You have emancipation, and with emancipation comes the rise of

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<v Speaker 5>black political power, and for the white Antebellum elite, it

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<v Speaker 5>seems as if this is something that cannot stand West.

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<v Speaker 1>You're wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>I do want to escape too.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm so very tired of it all. I've struggled for

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<v Speaker 7>food and for money, the.

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<v Speaker 8>Weed and holden piccottontil I can stand in another minute.

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<v Speaker 7>I tell you asked that the South is dead. It's dead.

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<v Speaker 5>The Yanks in the common din't gotten.

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<v Speaker 9>There's nothing left for us.

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<v Speaker 2>This line from Gone with the Wind may seem melodramatic

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<v Speaker 2>to us, but for Scarlet o' hear and crew, it

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<v Speaker 2>was an understatement. The American South during reconstruction was a hellhole.

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<v Speaker 2>Akin to any modern post war occupational environment you'd see today.

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<v Speaker 2>Law and order was nearly abandoned. Basic commodities were scarce.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing and ready supply where the newly free

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<v Speaker 2>black Americans beginning to cement their burgeoning political power, and

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<v Speaker 2>an avalanche of post war guns. White Americans in the

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<v Speaker 2>South lose their goddamn minds at the new status quo.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of the speeches that these redeemers were using

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<v Speaker 5>is that they seem to anchor a lot of sort

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<v Speaker 5>of southernness, Southern masculinity, ways of restoring a Southern way

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<v Speaker 5>of life in firearms specifically, and I think this makes

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of sense that the South, while destroyed physically,

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<v Speaker 5>was just totally a wash in firearms.

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<v Speaker 2>Homicide rates were eighteen times higher in the South than

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<v Speaker 2>they were in the North, and these guns were different.

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<v Speaker 2>The Civil War was one of the first conflicts with

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<v Speaker 2>mechanized production of guns. Soldiers return home with high quality

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<v Speaker 2>weapons and lots of them.

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<v Speaker 5>And you also have a really dangerous society. You have

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<v Speaker 5>murder rates that are completely out of control and so

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<v Speaker 5>you have a dangerous world with a lot of weapons,

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<v Speaker 5>and it maybe makes sense that rich white Southerners might

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<v Speaker 5>look to different sorts of ways of picking out how

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<v Speaker 5>to suppress black power into rally white power. And one

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<v Speaker 5>of the items we think that was really super salient

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<v Speaker 5>were all these guns.

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<v Speaker 2>White Southerners formed hundreds of so called rifle clubs, claiming

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<v Speaker 2>they needed to defend themselves against black people, even though

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<v Speaker 2>most of the murders at the time were white on white.

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<v Speaker 2>The clubs were actually armed white supremacist groups meant to

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<v Speaker 2>intimidate voters and diminish black political power. This started forming

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<v Speaker 2>a modern gun identity and set forth ideas in people

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<v Speaker 2>about what the government could and couldn't do. In the

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<v Speaker 2>reconstruction South, state constitutions were being rewritten for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time black people had political power. Many white Southerners didn't

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<v Speaker 2>trust the government to represent their interest, to protect them

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<v Speaker 2>and their sense of order, so they felt they had

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<v Speaker 2>to take matters into their own hands, and guns were

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<v Speaker 2>an important symbol. Buttrick's research makes one thing abundantly clear.

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<v Speaker 2>The counties with the highest rates of enslavement before the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil War are the places where today we see the

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<v Speaker 2>highest rates of gun ownership and by following social media connections.

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<v Speaker 2>Buttrick also found that as those same Americans have migrated

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<v Speaker 2>around the country, so have those ideas about guns. The

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<v Speaker 2>communities with the deepest social and cultural ties to slaveholding

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<v Speaker 2>counties carry similar feelings about gun ownership in the present day.

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<v Speaker 2>His research also suggests that while people think of guns

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<v Speaker 2>as a defense against physical threats, they're also using them

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<v Speaker 2>as a defense against psychological threats.

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<v Speaker 5>Guns become a sort of a totem or a charm

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<v Speaker 5>that help gun owners to feel their lives are more meaningful,

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<v Speaker 5>that they have or control, and that they feel safer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also an identity that has fueled gun companies and

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<v Speaker 2>gun sales.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I think that the Civil War and its

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<v Speaker 5>aftermaths set a template, but the template that we've then

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<v Speaker 5>been building on as a society for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it's not just that these things happened once

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<v Speaker 5>and ended. You know that there is quite a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of advertising, quite a lot of marketing which is sort

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<v Speaker 5>of reinforcing these beliefs that we've had about how guns work.

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<v Speaker 2>And for one hundred years, white people become ingrained with

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<v Speaker 2>the notion that firearms in this country equals autonomy, identity,

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<v Speaker 2>and most of all power. And that's all fine and

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<v Speaker 2>dandy until black people start getting guns too.

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<v Speaker 10>The Black Panthers first made national news just a year

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<v Speaker 10>ago when they entered the state.

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<v Speaker 3>Capitol and Sacramento armed with rifles and pistols.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty seven, when the Panthers march on the

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<v Speaker 2>Capitol legally carrying guns to protest a newly proposed gun

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<v Speaker 2>control bill. Then Governor Ronald Reagan would respond by signing

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<v Speaker 2>it into law, banning public carry without a permit. The

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<v Speaker 2>NRA would approve it, would become the state's first major

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<v Speaker 2>piece of legislation restricting the right to carry a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>and would lead to a slew of gun control laws

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<v Speaker 2>targeting black people nationwide. Then the following year, we'd really

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<v Speaker 2>melt down.

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<v Speaker 7>Martin Luther Kingey twenty minutes ago die.

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<v Speaker 2>In the wake of King's death, There'd be over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred uprisings, and Congress would renew a once stalled effort

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<v Speaker 2>to limit access to guns. They passed the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>eight Gun Control Act, which lay the groundwork for modern

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<v Speaker 2>laws around who is allowed to buy and sell firearms.

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<v Speaker 2>But more importantly, just look at the here and now.

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<v Speaker 2>As demographics change, we fragment. The Obama administration sparked record

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<v Speaker 2>gun sales for the time, but it wouldn't hold a

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<v Speaker 2>candle to twenty twenty. If COVID had us locked. The

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<v Speaker 2>murder of George Floyd and the protests that followed would

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<v Speaker 2>get us absolutely loaded.

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<v Speaker 7>These are not acts full protests.

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<v Speaker 10>These are acts of domestic durrah arresting. One person shot

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<v Speaker 10>and killed at a Black Lives Matter protest an Austin Tech.

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<v Speaker 4>When the Proud Boys group showed up, a confrontation caused

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<v Speaker 4>a violent street fight to break out. Police ordered the

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<v Speaker 4>crowds to disperse, and they also did.

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<v Speaker 2>Americans would buy over forty million guns and twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>that's more guns than the entire population of Canada. Five

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<v Speaker 2>million of those Americans would be grabbing a piece for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, and it would pour billions into the

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<v Speaker 2>pockets of the gun industry. I would watch in real

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<v Speaker 2>time as my beat as a gun reporter went from

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<v Speaker 2>niche specialty to sitting front row to the largest wave

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<v Speaker 2>of gun buying and recorded American history. How's that for

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<v Speaker 2>job security? And it's not like it's an undercurrent that

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<v Speaker 2>gun culture hasn't been afraid to tap into. Make them protest,

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<v Speaker 2>make them scream racism and sexism and xenophobia and homophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>to smash windows, burn cars, shut down interstates and areas.

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<v Speaker 2>In that ad, the NRA calls racial justice protests madness

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<v Speaker 2>and calls on Americans to fight them with what they

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<v Speaker 2>call a clinched fist of truth. Rifle producer Daniel Defense

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in Congress last year where lawmakers grilled them

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<v Speaker 2>on using extremist iconography in their ads.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a fall knot, and it's a symbol that has

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<v Speaker 5>been increasingly embraced by white supremacists, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be that explicit. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a gun nerd and growing up I'd cringe at the

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<v Speaker 2>number of times I'd come across Confederate flags, Nazi war gear,

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<v Speaker 2>end or straight up disdain of anything not quite American.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this shadow that no matter how far I go

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<v Speaker 2>into the community, is still always there. And don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong, I'm not trying to say that everyone who

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<v Speaker 2>is buying a gun is doing so because they are racist.

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<v Speaker 2>More so that when your country is founded on a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental fear of the person next door. Carrying a gun

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot more palatable than not carrying one. But

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<v Speaker 2>if gun ownership and the gun industry was built on whiteness,

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<v Speaker 2>what does it mean to be a black gun owner?

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<v Speaker 2>Now we'll find out in a minute.

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<v Speaker 9>Have you heard that?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, that was a gator?

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<v Speaker 6>Did not hear that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty grace tatter. And this is the Bunker Club.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a field in Claremont, Florida where hundreds of gun

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiasts as symbol in the swamp like humidity to do

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, play with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

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<v Speaker 2>of high powered weaponry. And we're gonna play two. It's

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<v Speaker 2>asking me, am, I currently on probation. No, have ever

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<v Speaker 2>been ampudicated as a mentally defective or committed and meant

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<v Speaker 2>to a mental institution. No under influenced.

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<v Speaker 11>Alcohol or drugs or anything negative issued or restraining order,

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<v Speaker 11>Domestic Violence Act, borrowing. Now, have you ever handled a handgun?

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<v Speaker 2>This is pew Party two.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, you ever handled a rifle or shotgun?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Click here to sign. It's a black led shooting

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<v Speaker 2>event and it's the second time it's being held in

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<v Speaker 2>as many years. It's a playground of burns, tires, and targets.

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<v Speaker 9>Have I ever handled a handgun? No, rifler shotgun? No,

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<v Speaker 9>I think I'm the only person here. You can probably answer

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<v Speaker 9>notableth those questions.

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<v Speaker 2>P Party two is an event created by j Jenkins

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<v Speaker 2>Akaj the Shooter, a self described gun tuber, a firearms

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<v Speaker 2>social media influencer.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you Sementein has consistently lost? So I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 8>a block seventeen A here start, I'm gonna let a

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<v Speaker 8>few rounds off.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay's a businessman, one of the few black people in

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<v Speaker 2>the country who carries a coveted FFL sought three, a

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<v Speaker 2>federal license that allows him to develop and sell things

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<v Speaker 2>like suppressors and automatic weapons. These events are about building

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<v Speaker 2>his brand, where he invites regular people, particularly black people,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can do two things, meet face to face

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<v Speaker 2>with the cutting edge companies in the gun industry. Plus

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<v Speaker 2>they get a chance to handle some iconic and advanced weaponry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that was tight. That was a P ninety

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<v Speaker 2>over there, so look at it. It's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a sci fi looking gun, has this crazy magazine

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<v Speaker 2>it fits on top, but a pretty much fast rate

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<v Speaker 2>of fire. So you know, again, these are all you know,

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<v Speaker 2>movie guns, things that like high level militant like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>things that are in catalogs that most people will never

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<v Speaker 2>be able to touch. Are you over my shoulder? Get this?

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<v Speaker 2>When we run out, it's gonna make this awesome sound.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the sound. Did you go if you

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell? I actually love guns, and I always have.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm black, but more specifically, I'm biracial. I was introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to guns at a young age by my dad, a

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<v Speaker 2>white man from Appalachia, and I remember the stairs I

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<v Speaker 2>get growing up going to gun shows down south in Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>the state and offish gunshop owners, the range masters, who

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<v Speaker 2>with the sheer glance would remind me that no matter

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<v Speaker 2>who I was or how trained I was, I was

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<v Speaker 2>there as a guest. So for me, Pew Party is different.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an eccentric assortment of the familiar but the unfamiliar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most black people I've ever seen at a

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<v Speaker 2>shooting event, and therefore probably the most comfortable I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>been in such a space. I mean, like you hear

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<v Speaker 2>the hammer drop on this thing. There are things you'd

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<v Speaker 2>never see at a gun range, like a DJ and

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<v Speaker 2>a Caribbean food truck and all day, a few three

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<v Speaker 2>lines became very clear. First, almost every black person we

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<v Speaker 2>spoke with clearly understood what it means to be black

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<v Speaker 2>and all the pitfalls that accompany it. And their response

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<v Speaker 2>to that reality was name that their life was in

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<v Speaker 2>their own hands.

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<v Speaker 12>One as a black person in this country, as well

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<v Speaker 12>as a woman in this country, it's very important that

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<v Speaker 12>we be able to protect ourselves with the best tools

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<v Speaker 12>Ted horere available.

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<v Speaker 6>My self protection is serious.

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<v Speaker 13>How about take advantage of your second Amendment right and

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<v Speaker 13>do what you need to do to protect you and

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<v Speaker 13>your family.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to protect me in mind. Secondly, that crazy

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<v Speaker 2>year of twenty twenty where there was open white supremacy,

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<v Speaker 2>government failure in COVID nineteen and the fallout of George Floyd, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>black people saw it too, and we flocked to guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Thomas Lyles, a Navy vet and firearms instructor.

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<v Speaker 6>When Trump was in office, that's when we saw the

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<v Speaker 6>largest spike of black gun ownership, and so a lot

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 6>of black people during that time they felt as if

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<v Speaker 6>the government, the police, nobody was going to help us

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<v Speaker 6>or protect us, and so it was on us we

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<v Speaker 6>had to protect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>When he talks to us, he is wearing a military

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>chest ring adorned with bits of African can Take prey,

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's carrying thousands of dollars of military great hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my first time meeting him in person, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with his social media. One finger puts this

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<v Speaker 2>live right, so I like that. So I think it

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>might be a good recommendation for female shooters. This training

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>isn't to put holes in paper, but winning gunfights.

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<v Speaker 6>And some of my family members I talked to the

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 6>CCW class because during that time, when Kobe was happening,

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 6>we had all the protests going on, the country seemed

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<v Speaker 6>very unbalanced, right, It's very uncertain, And so even selling

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 6>my family years before that, like I don't need a gun.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 6>I've been alive forty years and nothing's ever happened. But

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 6>during those that time and no alson, I was getting

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<v Speaker 6>these phone calls, Hey, cousin, nephew, when can you come

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<v Speaker 6>over and teach me a class? And now they're in

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 6>the guns. My uncle's in the guns, my cousin's in

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 6>the guns. He's buying rifles, building rifles, buying pistols.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, according to the National Opinion Research Center at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Chicago. Sixty nine percent of people who

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<v Speaker 2>bought their first gun during the pandemic were people of color.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you looked at America through a thousand foot lens,

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 2>it kind of makes sense. Black people are some of

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>those most victimized in the country and always have been.

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>We have police systems that hurt more than help, where

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>black people are five times more likely to be arrested

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>than whites and three times is likely to be killed

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 2>during a police encounter. And with this long pattern of

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 2>isolation and victimization, is it really a surprise that more

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>black people are buying guns too? And how does the

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<v Speaker 2>industry react to this backwards af As quick as the

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>NRA is to savage Black Lives Matter protests to rally

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<v Speaker 2>their base and defense of the gun industry, they're also

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<v Speaker 2>quick to point out that often laws controlling gun ownership

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>have been racist. Some of the messaging in recent years

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>has been come on over, black customers, We're happy to

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<v Speaker 2>have you. But that same organization collectively shrugs at the

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>death of legal gun owners, like when police outside Saint

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Paul killed Filando Castile during a traffic stop. It rallies

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>for more aggressive policing and backs racist politicians. It's this

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 2>worldview that contributes to the reality that many of the

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 2>PEW Parties participants existing the odd looks and stares at

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<v Speaker 2>gun ranges, the distinct feeling that everyone's not going to

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>light them or what they represent. Every black male we

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>interviewed was acutely aware of toxic images portrayed of black

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 2>men with guns, which is why Jay the Shooter says

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he hosts events like these. You said one thing about

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think this is crazy that I

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<v Speaker 2>got to revisit, But you said that when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to firearms, that black people have really been a victim

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>of poor marketing. Yes, what has that marketing been and

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<v Speaker 2>who has put that marketing out there?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, be honest. Let's let's take some accountability here, right.

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 8>We have to stop conducting the acts that put ourselves

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 8>in a negative life. Let's start there. Let's start with

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<v Speaker 8>first accountability. I believe in black accountability first, and then

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 8>we can start working on the values and everything else

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 8>that we need to do to really clean up a

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 8>lot of the negative images that are being perceived and

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 8>promoted and projected on us.

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<v Speaker 9>But a lot of times. So like some of the

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 9>racist anti black images, like gun companies not all. I'm

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 9>not saying the industry isn't a monolith, but gun companies

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 9>have made a lot of money off of off of

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 9>making people.

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Afraid of black people.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, how does that? How do you fit into how

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 9>do you deal with that?

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 10>Right?

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 8>Look, at the end of the day, every every company

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 8>has their business model. We have to see it for

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 8>what it is, right and not be subject to it. Yeah,

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 8>the fear mongering is there. It is there. I see it,

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 8>but I choose not to look at that because my

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 8>mission is not to combat that. My mission is to

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 8>push legitimacy when it comes to African Americans and incubating

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 8>consumers to merchants. That's my mission. I can't stop what

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 8>I'm doing to go look at what they're doing. Like,

0:33:58.240 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 8>we know it's there. But how do I combat that

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 8>is by throwing advance and bringing more community awareness to

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 8>what it is. How many times did you pass by

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 8>somebody today and you saw first time shooters shooting suppress,

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.280
<v Speaker 8>first time shooting shooter, shoot machine gun, first time hands

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 8>on with this platform from this company. That's my mission.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 8>I focus on that I can. Would I be able

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 8>to combat what they're doing. No, But I'm putting good

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.720
<v Speaker 8>media in good press, and I'm putting my own marketing

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 8>out there that I can control. So instead of send

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 8>back and complaining about what they're doing with their targeted

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 8>marketing when it comes to the black community, I also

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 8>have to target my community and put the positive messages

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:34.399
<v Speaker 8>out there. That's how I combat what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, it's a form of exposure therapy, and Jay wasn't

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>alone in his sentiments of trying to take the fear

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>out of the image of a black man carrying a

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>gun in the broader American consciousness, and things like this

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>event and training seminars and social media were ways for

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 2>them to do it. When it comes to the broader

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 2>gun industry and how they market. A lot of the

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>attitude was not too dissimilar from the modit if you

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>can't beat them, join them, but perhaps with the caveat

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>to change them from within. Throughout the day, though, we

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 2>had plenty of conversations about self defense, about the power

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>of black dollars, and it's easy to get lost in

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 2>the money to be had in this industry. But a

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 2>woman at the event named Crystal Harper reminded us of

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 2>another reality that Black people are also the most victimized

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:28.240
<v Speaker 2>by firearms.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.800
<v Speaker 12>There's a lot of trauma surrounding firearms within our community

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 12>that just needs to be dealt with in addition to

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 12>lack of knowledge, lack of history. But we don't talk

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 12>about that trauma.

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>And we don't talk about it. Gun violence and all

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 2>forms has increased sharply for Black Americans in recent years.

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Black people now experience twelve times the gun homicides, eighteen

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 2>times the amount of shooting injuries, and nearly three times

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>the fatal police shootings of their white counterparts. The Wanda Akosua,

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:06.760
<v Speaker 2>a firearms trainer, says she sees the consequences of those statistics.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 13>It happens a lot, you know, especially in certain areas.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 13>I know, I get a nice percentage of my students

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.919
<v Speaker 13>that do have trauma. Actually have one girl who broke

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 13>down like anxiety, full anxiety attack on the range. But

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 13>it's just a matter of kind of coming at it

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.959
<v Speaker 13>from behind and being able to relate to them because

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 13>I'm able to relate because I've also been in that situation.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 2>And many black people can relate. Our community is tight knit.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Although we only account for about thirteen percent of the population,

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>we absorb a disproportionate amount of America's gun violence. So

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>this means that seventy one percent of Black adults know

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 2>someone who's been injured or killed by gun in their lifetime.

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a violence even I've tasted myself.

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 13>After you've experienced trauma, there is I think I believe

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 13>there's a point in time where you have to say,

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 13>I am not going to be a victim to this trauma,

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 13>and I have to take measures into my own hands

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 13>to be able to heal from this trauma from the

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 13>inside out, going inward in healing and starting that process.

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 13>But you have to be the one to start that

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 13>healing process. So at the end of the day, I

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.720
<v Speaker 13>think you are responsible for it. In the perfect world,

0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 13>we don't want anyone, you know, of course the person

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 13>that's given the trauma, but usually a person that's presenting trauma,

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 13>they don't care about anyone at all. You know, they

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 13>don't care. So when they don't care, you have to

0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 13>care about yourself, you know. And I think that's the

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 13>ultimate goal, is being able to self love, love yourself,

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 13>respect yourself enough to come out of that dark space

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:36.760
<v Speaker 13>and train.

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<v Speaker 2>For me as a reporter and a black gun owner,

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm always driven to this space, this fundamental conflict because

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<v Speaker 2>on one side, the gun industry and the Second Amendment

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.919
<v Speaker 2>community needs to diversify to survive. But on the other

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the only way it can do so may me facing

0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>down its racist past and a latent fear is that

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 2>fuel the industry, and with all the guns in the world,

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 2>that prospect is still the scariest. On the next episode

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of The Gun Machine, we meet the man who wrote

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the playbook for a successful gun company.

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:21.759
<v Speaker 10>He was somebody who I would say had enormous charisma

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 10>an incredible drive, but as I say, I wouldn't trust him.

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<v Speaker 2>So after America secured its freedom and used its weapons

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 2>to secure its enslave workforce, what next, Well, it's time

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