WEBVTT - GMDs and EMPs

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the

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<v Speaker 1>tech are you So? Back in May twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>a massive geomagnetic storm created aurora across much of the

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<v Speaker 1>contiguous United States. Even folks in my home state of

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia were able to see the northern lights. Sadly that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't include me. I missed out on it, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen photos and videos of the night sky from that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and the colors are pretty darn spectacular. But while folks

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<v Speaker 1>were ewing and aweing over the chromatic display in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>others were monitoring large systems like the power grid, because

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<v Speaker 1>geomagnetic phenomena has the potential to wreak havoc with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like power lines and more. So, today I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>would talk about, you know, geomagnetic services or gmds, and

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic pulses or EMPs, and what happens if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big enough zap applied to a region of the Earth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this, we need to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>some basic earth science stuff. Our planet has a magnetic field, which,

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<v Speaker 1>through interaction with the solar wind, which is all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's ejected by the Sun, will become a magnetosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's take this step by step. So, first off,

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's magnetosphere is the strongest of all the rocky planets

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<v Speaker 1>in our Solar system. At the core of our planet

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<v Speaker 1>is a solid inner core that's made up of iron

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<v Speaker 1>and nickel metals, and they're hot. They're like they're real hot,

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<v Speaker 1>like surface of the Sun hot. And surrounding the solid

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<v Speaker 1>inner core is a liquid outer core. So the Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>core is kind of like a gusher turned inside out,

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<v Speaker 1>except it's a gusher made of super hot iron and

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<v Speaker 1>it probably wouldn't taste very good anyway. The outer core

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<v Speaker 1>of molten iron and nickel swirls around this solid core,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily due to heat from the inner core, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>making things move around through convection and the Earth's rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>So this churning molten goodness generates electrical currents. And these

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<v Speaker 1>currents are huge. They can stretch hundreds of miles across.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I'm sure you all know, there's a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>between electrical currents and magnetic fields. In fact, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our technology leverages this relationship, from dynamos to transformers

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<v Speaker 1>to lots of other stuff. So the result is the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is like a giant magnet. This is why accompasses

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<v Speaker 1>needle points the way it does. The needle aligns itself

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<v Speaker 1>with the magnetic field of the Earth. Now that magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field is really complicated, and it's constantly in flux, though

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<v Speaker 1>not always on a scale that we puny humans can perceive.

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<v Speaker 1>But we can kind of oversimplify this and say that

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<v Speaker 1>from space, if you were able to see the Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field, and if we didn't have that pesky sun

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<v Speaker 1>coming into play, it would kind of look like the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth was a lot like a bar magnet. You would

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<v Speaker 1>see these magnetic lines emanating from the south magnetic pole,

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<v Speaker 1>looping around to the other side of the Earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>going back in through the north magnetic pole. These poles

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<v Speaker 1>aren't lined up with the ends of Earth's axis. Those

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<v Speaker 1>ends would actually be the true North and true South poles.

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<v Speaker 1>If the Earth were rotating around a stick, these would

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<v Speaker 1>be the two ends of that stick. But just note

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<v Speaker 1>that the Earth is not actually rotating around a stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Magnetic North is not in the same spot as true North.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, magnetic north isn't always in the same spot

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<v Speaker 1>at all. It drifts over time. On average, the Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic poles flip every half million years or so. The

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<v Speaker 1>actual timing is random, so we can't just look at

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<v Speaker 1>a calendar and say, huh, and Thursday, in two thousand years,

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<v Speaker 1>the north pole is going to be on the south

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<v Speaker 1>end of the planet. The general hypothesis is that the

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<v Speaker 1>process of polarity reversal is well, let's call it gradual.

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<v Speaker 1>It can last like ten thousand years, not that anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in human history has actually observed this. We base our

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<v Speaker 1>understanding off of lots and lots of science, with the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent polarity reversal happening seven hundred eighty thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, statistically means we're overdue, but there's no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to believe that's gonna happen anytime soon. But the

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<v Speaker 1>polls have swapped positions like one hundred and eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>times over the last eighty three million years. Now. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of fringe theories about pole reversals that

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<v Speaker 1>don't have much, if any scientific evidence to support them.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not going to dive into any of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just say that if this episode sparks your interest

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<v Speaker 1>in magnetic fields, make sure to employ your critical thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and look for good sources when you look into it further,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's tons of, like I said, fringe theories and

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation about this stuff, where you're gonna hear all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy ideas about polarity reversal that's not really grounded

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<v Speaker 1>in science. Also, if this episode interests you in the

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<v Speaker 1>band that's named the Magnetic Fields, that's awesome because I

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<v Speaker 1>love that band. Okay, So the geodetic poles, as in

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<v Speaker 1>the true North and South poles, they also don't stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the same spot either, because the rotation of the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth isn't a perfect spin. It's a little bit wobbly,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like how a toy tops spin starts to

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<v Speaker 1>slow down. You'll see it begin to wobble before it

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<v Speaker 1>falls over. But the poles don't wander by a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking less than a foot of migration in a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I figured I should mention that before any well

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<v Speaker 1>actually start to roll in with me talking about magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>North moving and geodetic North not moving. It does move,

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<v Speaker 1>just not very much. All Right, back to science. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got this magnetic field of the Earth. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>the big deal. Well, for us, the big deal is

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<v Speaker 1>that this magnetic field serves as a kind of force

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<v Speaker 1>field for certain types of charged articles and energies. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think an argument can be made that because of

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<v Speaker 1>our magnetic field, conditions were pretty darn good for life

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<v Speaker 1>to form on this planet. Actually, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>Earth and you look at all the different factors that

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<v Speaker 1>have helped contribute to life having a place to have

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<v Speaker 1>a foothold, it's pretty phenomenal. We're the right distance from

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<v Speaker 1>our Sun so that we can get the energy we

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<v Speaker 1>need for life. We're not too close where the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>would burn off everything, or too far where we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get enough energy. We also have these larger planets in

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<v Speaker 1>the outer Solar systems, some of which have over time

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<v Speaker 1>blocked or potentially blocked perhaps Earth destroying asteroids on their

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<v Speaker 1>way in. Like it's almost like we've got bouncers in

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<v Speaker 1>our solar system that protect us. So there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different factors at play. Our atmosphere is another one,

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<v Speaker 1>but the magnetosphere plays a big part in this too.

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<v Speaker 1>So without our magnetic field, we might not be here.

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<v Speaker 1>If we didn't have the magnetic field, at the very least,

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<v Speaker 1>I could say we would have few video streaming services.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, our atmosphere does help protect us from stuff too.

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<v Speaker 1>The magnetic field also protects our atmosphere. The magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>kind of protects us from stuff like electrons and protons

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<v Speaker 1>that have been fired off from the Sun, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as cosmic rays from deep within the galaxy. A flow

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<v Speaker 1>of charged particles and energy from the Sun called the

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<v Speaker 1>solar wind, could really do damage to the Earth if

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<v Speaker 1>it weren't for this magnetic field. So, for example, that

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere that you and I enjoy that could be stripped

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<v Speaker 1>away by the solar wind if it weren't for the

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field keeping the wind at bay. That might be

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to Mars. The red planet does have a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field, but it is far less powerful than Earth's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very weak magnetic field. So there's this hypothesis

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<v Speaker 1>that the solar wind has, over the course of billions

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<v Speaker 1>of years, stripped away much of Mars's atmosphere and left

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<v Speaker 1>it with a very very thin atmosphere. Our magnetic force

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<v Speaker 1>field isn't like a solid wall, however, it's flexible, so

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<v Speaker 1>the solar wind pushes against it, and this means that

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<v Speaker 1>the field gets shaped into what we call the magnetosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>The solar wind pushes against the day side of Earth's

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field and smushes it a bit. On the night

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<v Speaker 1>side of Earth, the magnetic field trails back with a

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<v Speaker 1>long tail. Some people have actually compared it to being

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<v Speaker 1>kind of comet shaped, and the night side would be

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<v Speaker 1>the tail side of the comet. So on the day side,

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic field is confined to around ten Earth radii

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<v Speaker 1>from the center of the Earth, so the Earth radius

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<v Speaker 1>is nearly four thousand miles. So you do the math,

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<v Speaker 1>it means the magnetosphere on the day side stretches out

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<v Speaker 1>a little less than forty thousand miles from the core

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<v Speaker 1>of the Earth most of the time. Anyway, the night

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<v Speaker 1>side stretches out hundreds of Earth radii, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>that the magnetosphere actually goes out beyond where the Moon's

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<v Speaker 1>orbit is. Moon's orbits that are around sixty Earth radii. So

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<v Speaker 1>on the day side of Earth, there's this boundary between

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic field and the solar wind that's called the

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<v Speaker 1>magneto pause. This is really the force field thing I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about. Much of it as charged particles that

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<v Speaker 1>were coming our way, and then they collect in one

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<v Speaker 1>of two zones called radiation belts. Specifically, they're called the

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<v Speaker 1>Van Allen radiation belts. They're named after James Van Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>These zones have, as the name suggests, energetic particles in them,

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<v Speaker 1>and these particles can pose a challenge for us that

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<v Speaker 1>scientists and engineers have to take into account when they

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<v Speaker 1>design satellites because the charged particles can really mess with

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<v Speaker 1>electronic systems. The doses of radiation are low enough so

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<v Speaker 1>that they pose no real serious risk to human health,

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<v Speaker 1>which is good because we have sent astronauts through them.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a good thing that the radiation isn't at like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a harmful level as far as our actual

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<v Speaker 1>will direct health is concerned. This magnetopause force field is

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<v Speaker 1>pliable and it's not impenetrable. Sometimes stuff gets through it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sun is constantly blasting out charged particles and such,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes during particularly active solar events, the Sun might

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a bunch of stuff our way during what's called

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<v Speaker 1>a coronal mass ejection. That's what happened back in May

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four. The sun pooped out a whole

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<v Speaker 1>series of CMEs toward Earth, and the National Oceanic and

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<v Speaker 1>Atmospheric Administration or NOAH, alerted folks to it on May tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. Initially, NOAH graded this geomagnetic storm as

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<v Speaker 1>a G four on its weather scale. G four is

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<v Speaker 1>a severe geomagnetic storm, but the agency would later upgrade

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<v Speaker 1>this to a G five, which is the highest on

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<v Speaker 1>the scale it goes from one to five. Five is

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<v Speaker 1>an extreme geomagnetic storm. The severity of a storm is

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<v Speaker 1>part of what determines what, if any effect the storm

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<v Speaker 1>is going to have with us here on Earth. The

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<v Speaker 1>Aurora are one such effect. We can see this beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>display of colors in the night sky when the magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field is reacting this way. But the storm can also

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<v Speaker 1>interfere with our power systems, our radio broadcasts, satellite navigations,

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<v Speaker 1>spacecraft operation, and more. And again this gets us into

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<v Speaker 1>the connection between electrical and magnetic activity. A strong geomagnetic

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<v Speaker 1>storm can push the magnetosphere around and magnetic lines get

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<v Speaker 1>metaphorically entangled and twisted, and this in turn creates magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>disturbances here on Earth. Another thing that happens is the

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<v Speaker 1>storms can affect the density and distribution of density of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth's upper atmosphere. That includes the thermosphere, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where lower orbit satellites are. They're in the thermosphere. There

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<v Speaker 1>are thousands of satellites in Earth's atmosphere. Technically, the thermosphere

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<v Speaker 1>is the penultimate layer above it's above the mesosphere as

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<v Speaker 1>below the exosphere, which is the final layer of the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's atmosphere. The temperature of the thermosphere actually goes up

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<v Speaker 1>as you climb in height. We often think of air

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<v Speaker 1>getting colder as you go higher in altitude. That's true

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<v Speaker 1>for the troposphere. That's the part of the atmosphere where

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<v Speaker 1>we live. It's our atmosphere where you spend all your time,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming you're not an astronaut. But it's also true that

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<v Speaker 1>that trend of when you go higher in altitude the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature gets colder. That's also in the mesosphere. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>stratosphere and the thermosphere are both different. As you go

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<v Speaker 1>higher in both the stratosphere and the thermosphere, the temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>get warmer. It's funny because it's troposphere, then stratosphere, then mesosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>than thermosphere, so it goes cold hot cold hot. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening is in the stratosphere and the thermosphere. As

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<v Speaker 1>you're climbing in altitude, you're encountering atmosphere that has absorbed

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<v Speaker 1>more radiation from the Sun, including stuff like X ray

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<v Speaker 1>radiation and ultraviolet radiation, and thus it is warmer than

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<v Speaker 1>areas below. Okay, we're going to talk some more science

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and then we'll start talking about how these things

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<v Speaker 1>affect us here on Earth. But first, before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break to thank our sponsors. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I was talking about the thermosphere and how as

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<v Speaker 1>you climb the thermosphere the temperature actually increases. The thermosphere

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<v Speaker 1>is also where the ionosphere is. This is a zone

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<v Speaker 1>where the energy from the Sun is strong enough to

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<v Speaker 1>eject electrons off of atoms, which turns them into ions.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like, So, if you have an atom and you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to blast it with enough energy, you can cause

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<v Speaker 1>it to push out an electron and now it will

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<v Speaker 1>be positively charged, right, You'll have more protons than electrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Protons are positively charged, electrons are negatively charged. Overall, your

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<v Speaker 1>ion has a positive char So that happens in the ionosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also the part of our atmosphere that can

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<v Speaker 1>reflect certain radio waves, which makes it possible to beam

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<v Speaker 1>shortwave radio broad casts across the world, particularly at night.

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<v Speaker 1>It works really well at night time anyway. By shifting

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<v Speaker 1>the density and the density distribution of the thermosphere, a

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<v Speaker 1>geomagnetic storm can create conditions that affect spacecraft passing through

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<v Speaker 1>those regions. So if you're passing through a denser region

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<v Speaker 1>of atmosphere, that's going to mean that you're encountering a

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<v Speaker 1>greater amount of drag on your spacecraft. It slows down

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<v Speaker 1>the spacecraft. So for a satellite, this could mean that

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<v Speaker 1>engineers will have to make adjustments so that the satellite

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to operate properly because it wouldn't be in

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<v Speaker 1>the position it thinks it should be due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there's drags slowing it down. Or if a

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<v Speaker 1>satellite slows down enough, well, its orbit can start to

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<v Speaker 1>decay right because it's not going fast enough to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>that orbit, and eventually it's going to meet a fiery

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<v Speaker 1>end as it plunges toward Earth. So these are things

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<v Speaker 1>that engineers and scientists have to account for. These changes

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<v Speaker 1>can also affect how radio waves travel through the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>which means stuff like positioning information from GPS and other

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<v Speaker 1>navigational systems can have errors and become unreliable. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we take it for granted when we pull up a

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<v Speaker 1>GPS tool that we know exactly where we are, but

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<v Speaker 1>if they're outside factors that are affecting the satellites, the

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<v Speaker 1>information we have is not going to be accurate and

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<v Speaker 1>it may end up being that, you know, the GPS

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<v Speaker 1>tells us we're in a totally different spot than where

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<v Speaker 1>we actually are. Beyond that, the actual surfaces of spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>can build up electrical charges due to these geomagnetic storms,

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<v Speaker 1>and that also can cause malfunctions. The extreme magnetic activity

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<v Speaker 1>can also induce current in electrical systems and overload them,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can get a system to essentially get fried.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like if a power surge were to

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<v Speaker 1>fry a computer you have plugged into the wall. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have your computer plugged into a surge

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<v Speaker 1>protector and there's a power surge, yeah, your computer can

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<v Speaker 1>be toasted. Well, a geomagnetic storm can do that same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing by inducing a strong electric charge within

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<v Speaker 1>the computer system or within the circuitry that your computer

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<v Speaker 1>system is plugged into. Now that last one, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't just impact spacecraft in orbit. I mean, spacecraft are

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<v Speaker 1>particularly vulnerable to this, but a strong enough geomagnetic storm

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<v Speaker 1>can actually affect large electrical systems here on Earth as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, we're talking about big systems, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>most geomagnetic storms are not going to be powerful enough

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<v Speaker 1>to affect relatively tiny electronic systems. Like your smart watch

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<v Speaker 1>isn't likely to go bonkers because of a geomagnetic storm. However,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the systems that the watch is connected to

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<v Speaker 1>could be affected, right Like, if your watch is pulling

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<v Speaker 1>down data from a server farm, that server farm could

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<v Speaker 1>definitely be affected by a geomagnetic storm. A really strong

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<v Speaker 1>storm can potentially cause widespread blackouts, and transformers on the

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<v Speaker 1>power grid can end up getting damaged as a result, severely,

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes transformers will actually suffer so much damage they

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<v Speaker 1>need to be replaced. So a quick reminder on what

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<v Speaker 1>a transformer actually is. Essentially, a transformer's job and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about electrical transformers, not the more than meets the

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<v Speaker 1>eye robot kind. But transformer's job is to take alternating

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<v Speaker 1>current that's at one voltage and either step up or

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<v Speaker 1>step down that voltage, typically for the purposes of transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>So higher voltage alternating current or AC power travels further

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<v Speaker 1>through power lines with less loss. So if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to transmit a lot of power from a central source,

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<v Speaker 1>like let's say it's a power plant, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>crank the voltage up really high to push it through

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<v Speaker 1>the powers lines and then have a second transformer on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end to bring the voltage back down before

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<v Speaker 1>you deliver it to your customers. So that's what transformers do. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>they do this by having two electromagnetic coils next to

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<v Speaker 1>each other, and as current flows through one coil, it

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<v Speaker 1>induces current to flow through the other coil. If coil

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<v Speaker 1>number one has fewer loops than coil number two, then

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<v Speaker 1>coil number two is going to have greater voltage than

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<v Speaker 1>coil number one. This is stepping up. If coil number

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<v Speaker 1>two has fewer loops in its coil than coil number one,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's going to be a step down. The voltage

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<v Speaker 1>is going to decrease. That's the basics. There's more to

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<v Speaker 1>it than that, but that's the basic idea. So a

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<v Speaker 1>geomagnetic storm, which is one that can induce massive changes

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<v Speaker 1>in current, can really mess up an electrical system that's

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<v Speaker 1>relying upon transformers. You can suddenly have cases where the

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<v Speaker 1>voltage is truly out of control. Now, if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been near a transformer when it overloaded, you've likely seen

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty spectacular and scary display. I've seen it happen

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. Often there's a very loud bang. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the first time I ever heard one. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>someone had fired off a shotgun next to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then often there's lots and lots of sparks from the transformer.

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<v Speaker 1>In the event of a single transformer going out, you

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<v Speaker 1>can end up having power loss in that immediate area,

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<v Speaker 1>and a power company can sometimes do some work to

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<v Speaker 1>get things back in order to re route some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to at least restore power in a

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<v Speaker 1>region within a few hours. Replacing the transformer takes a

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer. But imagine that we're talking about an event

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<v Speaker 1>that takes effect over an entire region, not just like

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<v Speaker 1>one transformer on a city block or something. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like a region that might be several states or

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<v Speaker 1>even countries in size. Well that large a section of

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<v Speaker 1>the power grid With that many potentially thousands of transformers overloading,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be truly disastrous. You would have a real

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<v Speaker 1>mess on your hands. It could take you more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year to fix something like that. So a severe

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<v Speaker 1>geomagnetic storm has the potential to do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>damage here on Earth. With enough warning, various parties like

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<v Speaker 1>power companies can actually make adjustments that will mitigate the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also harden things against these geomagnetic storms to

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<v Speaker 1>some degree. We'll talk more about that a bit later,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can still experience effects here on Terra Firma. However,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have methods to at least minimize their impact.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we have enough warning ahead of time, there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain steps that we can take that will reduce

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of these geomagnetic events. But what if we

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<v Speaker 1>could create the same sort of magnetic disturbance on a

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<v Speaker 1>human made scale, And what if we could weaponize that?

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<v Speaker 1>And what if we already have And I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about hypotheticals now. We didn't necessarily set out to do

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<v Speaker 1>this initially. It was really a byproduct of looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a way to create really huge, deadly explosions meant to

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<v Speaker 1>kill people directly. But now that we've figured out how

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, well, what are the implications of that?

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm talking about here are nuclear detonations, And

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about nuclear detonations a bit not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing I didn't mention is that they can

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<v Speaker 1>create They do create electromagnetic pulses or EMPs. When a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear payload explodes. One of the many byproducts of that

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<v Speaker 1>explosion is a release of highly energetic gamma rays. These

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<v Speaker 1>rays truly have a tremendous amount of energy, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can strip electrons off of atoms and ionize air molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>which creates free electrons called Compton electrons and positively charged

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<v Speaker 1>ions as a result. This is also where we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about ionizing versus non ionizing radiation. When you talk about radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>most people immediately think of nuclear radiation, but radiation is

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<v Speaker 1>a broader term. It doesn't just mean stuff that's radioactive.

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<v Speaker 1>Radiation is more about how the energy propagates. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if something is non ionizing, it means that the energy

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<v Speaker 1>contained within that thing is not sufficient to strip electrons

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<v Speaker 1>away from atoms. So, for example, radio waves are non ionizing.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not have the energy necessary to ionize atoms,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why people who are skeptical of claims that

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves, like being near a radio tower can have

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<v Speaker 1>a negative impact on your health. That's the big counter

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<v Speaker 1>argument to that is that radio waves do not have

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<v Speaker 1>the facility to ionize atoms, whereas something like gamma radiation,

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<v Speaker 1>which has a tremendous amount of energy in it, it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely has the ability to ionize atoms. So these charged

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<v Speaker 1>particles will generate an electromagnetic field, and that field is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely strong near the point of detonation, like way stronger

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<v Speaker 1>than other areas within our magnetosphere, and so it can

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<v Speaker 1>interfere with not just electronic systems here on Earth, but

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetosphere itself really and it can have a really

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<v Speaker 1>big impact on stuff like power lines, street lamps, that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. It can also have an impact on

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<v Speaker 1>electronic systems and devices because while the Sun can do

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<v Speaker 1>similar things like an electromagnetic pulse, can do it on

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<v Speaker 1>a scale that's far more intense and targeted to a degree.

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<v Speaker 1>So a high altitude nuclear detonation could do this, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact it has done this. This is not theoretical,

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<v Speaker 1>we have observed it. So back in nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was really getting into the spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cold War with what was then the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>So both of these superpowers had at one point put

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<v Speaker 1>a moratorium on nuclear testing. But then the Soviet said, colmorat,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to test nuclear warheads again. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was like in nineteen sixty one. And then the US

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<v Speaker 1>responded in kind saying, well, gosh, if you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, we sure as heck are going to do

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<v Speaker 1>it too. Because this idea of mutually assured destruction was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the go to for superpowers. Then, this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that if we can guarantee that we could destroy you,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be too timid to try and destroy us, because

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just all go down together. It was a cheerful time.

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<v Speaker 1>Those of you who grew up in the Cold War

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm talking about. So a subset of

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<v Speaker 1>the weapons that the United States tested were part of

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<v Speaker 1>a project that was called Operation fish Bowl, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a series of high altitude nuclear explosion tests. One such

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<v Speaker 1>test took place on July ninth, nineteen sixty two. The

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<v Speaker 1>US launched a Thoor rocket because boy, we're really good

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<v Speaker 1>at naming stuff, and this rocket carried a one point

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<v Speaker 1>four megaton thermonuclear warhead. It launched off an island called

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<v Speaker 1>the Johnston Atoll, which is in the Pacific Ocean. It's

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<v Speaker 1>under the jurisdiction of the United States Air Force. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been under US control since the thirties, and it's about

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred miles away from Hawaii. The explosion would be

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as Starfish Prime. That was the name given

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<v Speaker 1>to this test. So the thor rocket carried this payload

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<v Speaker 1>to an altitude of around two hundred and fifty miles,

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<v Speaker 1>then the payload detonated. The test was done in order

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<v Speaker 1>to get detailed measurements about the nature of the explosion,

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<v Speaker 1>which included the electromagnetic output of the explosion. Because previous

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<v Speaker 1>tests had not really been thorough or well done, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't gather much useful data. I could argue that those

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<v Speaker 1>previous tests were more about the US showing the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union the size of America's explosives and less about learning

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<v Speaker 1>anything useful. That will leave it for now. The explosion was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course spectacular, was terrifying, awe inspiring, all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you would expect if you've seen Oppenheimer, but imagine

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<v Speaker 1>bigger and way up in the sky. The electromagnetic pulse

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<v Speaker 1>was far far more powerful than anyone anticipated, and it

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<v Speaker 1>propagated outward almost instantly because it's electromagnetic radiation, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that light is. Light is a type of

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<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic radiation, so it travels at the speed of light.

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<v Speaker 1>And folks in Hawaii, sure as heck noticed because the

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<v Speaker 1>MP caused street lights to fail. Remember this is nine

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles away, and Hawaii starts seeing like entire sections

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<v Speaker 1>of the state going dark because the street lights have

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<v Speaker 1>all gone out. It also shut down the telephone system

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<v Speaker 1>between the island of Kawaii and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaiian islands, so Kawaii was kind of cut off from

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else. This blast created a temp a new radiation

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<v Speaker 1>belt at a high altitude, and by temporary, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it lasted a few years, that's how long it's stuck around.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this was one that was in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the Van Allen Belts. This was also much much, much

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<v Speaker 1>more intense, stronger than the Van Allen Belts, and as

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<v Speaker 1>PBS would put it in an episode of Space Time,

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<v Speaker 1>a third of all low Earth orbit satellites that passed

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<v Speaker 1>through that radiation belt were destroyed due to going through

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<v Speaker 1>it repeatedly and slowing down and the orbit decaying and such,

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>or just having their electronics fried. Now, when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>a third of all the satellites that passed the root

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>were destroyed, that sounds like a lot, but keep in

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>mind this is the nineteen sixties, so a third ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being six satellites. We are, you know, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of the space race. However, if the

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>same thing were to happen today, it would mean that

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of satellites would have been affected as they passed

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<v Speaker 1>through this area. Tests like Starfish Prime showed that the

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<v Speaker 1>MP effects of nuclear detonations packed way more of a

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<v Speaker 1>wall than was originally believed, and I imagine it was

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<v Speaker 1>also a contributing factor to world powers agreeing on the

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<v Speaker 1>Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of nineteen sixty three that

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<v Speaker 1>would outlaw nuclear detonation tests underwater or in space. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about more about, you know, what EMPs would do today,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take another quick break to thank our sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>So Starfish Primes EMP was literally off the charts, and

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<v Speaker 1>by that I mean US instruments that were intended to

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<v Speaker 1>measure the EMP nature of this nuclear detonation essentially came

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<v Speaker 1>back with this is way too big for me to measure, like,

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this is beyond my capabilities of measuring this, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when we started to get a real handle on how

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>potentially devastating an EMP delivered at a strategic point could be.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>For example, think about two one hundred and fifty miles

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>above Kansas, because it spreads out in all directions. You know,

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii was nine hundred miles away from the Johnston at

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>all and still was affected. If you hit above Kansas

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>at two hundred and fifty miles of altitude, then potentially

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you could wipe out the power grid of the entire

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>United States, including ones that are not connected to the

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>rest of the national power grid. I'm looking at you, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it could be a really devastating effect, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue they'd be far more disruptive today than

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<v Speaker 1>they would be in the nineteen sixties because we've grown

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>far more dependent upon electronic systems over time, particularly computers,

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>and as I mentioned earlier, computers are pretty delicate things.

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>A huge electric surge could fry computer systems and bring

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>down a lot of the infrastructure that we depend upon.

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Most modern cars would be impacted because lots of cars

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>today have things like electronic ignition systems. Those could be

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable to it. EA, older cars would have a better

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>chance of making it through, but there's no guarantee they

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>would get out, you know, scott free. They could also

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>have some issues. For one thing, you could have an

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>electric charge build up on a metallic surface. It's a

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>conductor after all, But not only could this pulse fry electronics.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you talk about large conductors and that

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>build up of charge. There are plenty of things that

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>we have that could end up becoming a huge issue,

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like railroad tracks for example. You know miles and miles

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of railroad tracks. That's just miles of metallic conductors that

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:37.719
<v Speaker 1>could store a charge in them. Or you know, a

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>network of pipes, or even metal fences, like a good

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>long metal fence could do it. So the effect on

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>those things would be bad. The effect on organisms, that's different.

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not believed that an EMP would be directly

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>harmful to living organisms. In fact, that's one of the

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>big attractive things about the potential for EMPs. Right. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if all of your electronic systems fail around you, you're

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be in a pretty tight spot. Even if

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you personally have the capability to get along just fine

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>without all the modern conveniences of computers and electronics, the

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>folks around you might not be so adept at survival,

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and people who are in a tight spot can be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hard to predict, which is probably why emp's factor

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>into a lot of science fiction post apocalyptic stories. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there are ways, as I mentioned earlier, to harden electronic

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>systems against the effects of an EMP, but they tend

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>to be inconvenient and expensive. So, for example, you can

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>use metal shielding, which can help block the effects of

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>an EMP, but the shielding has to totally surround whatever

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it is you're protecting, and you need to make sure

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>there aren't any gaps or holes or anything in the

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>shielding to boot in order to really protect whatever it

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>is you're trying to harden against an EMP. The other

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>thing you can do, because the e MPs are so devastating,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>particularly toward anything that's based on semiconductor technology, you can,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in the design phase try to design components that are

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:09.239
<v Speaker 1>able to handle a higher current than they're typically going

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>to handle. Right in other words, that you've built an overhead, Right, like,

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>while this is meant to hold x amount of current,

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the overhead you built means it can handle X plus

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>y and it can still function. You have to build

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>in that capability, and you know you can't necessarily do

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that for the whole thing. You might just focus on

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the components that are going to be the most vulnerable

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>within your system, because otherwise your costs are going to

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>go out of control. Now, you know a lot of

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>people are going to say like, okay, so what's the

0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>likelihood of an EMP going off? And if they determine

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the likelihood is low, then it's hard to justify the

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>expense of hardening things against it. Right. It would be

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of like if someone came up to me and said, hey,

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 1>do you want to buy some shark attack insurance? And

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, i live in Atlanta. I'm not close

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to the ocean. Atlanta is not a coastal city. No,

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the chances of me being attacked by a shark in

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>my day to day activities is beyond minuscule. Well, you

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>might say the same thing about EMPs and say, well, yeah,

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it would be devastating if an EMP went off. And

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this system went down. But at the same time, the

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>likelihood that is so low that we're not going to

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>spend the money to harden the system against EMPs. The

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>prospect of developing a weapon that can wipe out a

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>nation's computer systems and other infrastructure without causing direct harm

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to the population itself has tempted many nations, including the

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>United States, to pour a lot of R and D

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>into building non nuclear weapons capable of generating a large

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>EMP blast. Now I can't get into detail on this,

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>not because I don't want to, but because I don't

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>have access to all that information because a lot of

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it is classified. So while I can say there are

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>lots of countries that have worked on various E bombs,

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a ton of details. We do know

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<v Speaker 1>there are there are various ways to generate an EMP

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that don't require a nuclear blast. So one is through

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the use of high powered microwaves. Another is using what's

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>called a flux compression generator bomb. Essentially anything that can

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 1>send a blast of electromagnetic energy outward and potentially, if

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about grand scale, potentially ionizing surrounding molecules, that

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>does the trick Some of These weapons are designed to

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>deliver much more focused pulses, so a military could use

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.439
<v Speaker 1>this to take out a specific target while leaving other

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 1>areas relatively untouched. And that could be really handy if

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to do something like let's say you want

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to neutralize a military headquarters, right like, there's an army

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>base or something, and you want to disrupt their capabilities.

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But you don't want that same attack to disrupt a

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>nearby hospital because obviously that would be inhumane, it would

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>be really it'd be a war crime, essentially, is what

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it would be. And to that you would need something

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<v Speaker 1>to be much more precise than a nuclear detonation, you know,

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of miles above your target, because that's going to

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>spread an EMP that affects a huge chunk of the region.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>You need something that's going to be much more targeted,

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>probably not as devastating either, but at the same time,

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you might be able to disrupt operations long enough to

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>be able to carry out some other attack or operation.

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>So you want a delivery system that can get the

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>job done without it being an all or nothing approach.

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Those are the basics of gmds and EMPs, right like,

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the world we live in. Even if we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have EMPs, if we lived in a world that

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was peaceful and you didn't have various nation states and

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>others trying to figure out how to disrupt or defeat

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>other ones, even if everybody was hunky dory and friendly,

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>we would still have gmds to worry about from the sun,

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 1>because space is trying to kill us all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it many times. And as we depend more

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>heavily on complicated computer systems, we do so with the understanding,

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>or we should have the understanding, that events, both natural

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and human generated, can absolutely disrupt those systems and bring

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.879
<v Speaker 1>them down. So one of the many concerns I have

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>about the AI fad or trend, or whatever you want

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to call it, is that it's placing even more importance

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>on computer systems that if something goes wrong with those

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>computer systems, you lose all those capabilities. So if we

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>put more and more of our dependence upon those systems

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and then those systems subsequently fail, will be up a

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>creek when that happens, and the creek will not smell nice.

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I think you know which creek I mean. Here On

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that note, I think I'm going to go camping for

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a week and see how that suits me. No reason,

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you know not. I'm not saying anything's gonna happen, just

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it might be nice to get away from it all. Yeah,

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean, all right. I hope for those

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of you who were aware of the geomagnetic storm back

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>in May of twenty twenty four, that you were able

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:16.479
<v Speaker 1>to go out and see some northern lights. Like I said,

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I missed it, and it really it really gets to

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>me because I think it would have been spectacular, but

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even learn about it. I didn't even see

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the news till it was the following day, and we

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't get enough activity for me to be able to

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>see it on the subsequent nights. So the night when

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I would have had the best chance of seeing something,

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know anything was going on. I hope

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the same for all of y'all out there.

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I hope a lot of you got a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. I hear that it was truly, you know,

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>inspiring and beautiful, So I hope you saw it. If not,

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope you get a chance to see the northern lights.

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>At some point I might plan a trip just to

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.280
<v Speaker 1>have the chance to see it. The trick, of course,

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 1>is that you never know if you're going to go

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>at a time when you can actually see it, but

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>you can hope. So that's probably what I'll do. And meanwhile,

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're all well, and I'll talk to you

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:19.239
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