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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you about doctor Christian Kiddrew works at

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Speaker 2: a crime and trauma scene cleaner's company, cleaning up crime

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Speaker 2: scenes over a couple decades. We'll talk about that. Christian

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Speaker 2: studies the relationship between voladil energy and the paranormal and

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Speaker 2: has a background in public health and environmental sciences. Doctor Christian,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: How are you great?

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Speaker 2: Tell me how did you get involved in crime and

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Speaker 2: trauma scene cleaning? How did that happen?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an interesting story. I was down south

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Speaker 3: in the US and I had an opportunity to understand

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Speaker 3: and forego these types of services. I align myself with

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Speaker 3: a company at the time that was down in Texas,

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Speaker 3: and I became more and more familiar with these services,

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Speaker 3: and essentially I harnessed this type of information, came back

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Speaker 3: up here to Canada and essentially put it on the

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Speaker 3: map and decided to execute and work and offer these

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Speaker 3: types of services to different communities and in different channels

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Speaker 3: of trade, et cetera. Et cetera up here in the

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Speaker 3: Great White North, of course.

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Speaker 2: And what kind of things do you do? I mean,

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Speaker 2: do they clean up blood splattered areas, moving bodies? What happens?

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Speaker 3: Well, once there's a situation of unfortunate circumstances. Now this

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Speaker 3: could be from a horrific homicide, to a self infliction,

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Speaker 3: or perhaps, let's say, to a natural death, a human decomposition.

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Speaker 3: I'm called in after the situation, of course, has been

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Speaker 3: released by the appropriate authorities. And what we do is

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Speaker 3: we decontaminate an environment that is hazardous, dangerous or volatile

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Speaker 3: to the public and essentially allow people to reoccupy the

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Speaker 3: environment and make it safe again for humans and pact.

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Speaker 2: Let's take down that police rope, don't they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what we do. All abalance, they're completed

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Speaker 3: their investigation, they send us in to make the situation

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Speaker 3: better again. Essentially, I make problems go away for different people,

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Speaker 3: for different agencies and for different organizations.

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Speaker 2: And Christian at what point did you start seeing a

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Speaker 2: correlation between trauma and the paranormal?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Wow, Well, what happened was I noticed, after working

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Speaker 3: so many files that there was continuity and consistency in

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Speaker 3: regards to different types of elements of energy, certain types

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Speaker 3: of situations and scenarios, whether it was a high traumatic

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Speaker 3: situation such as a homicide, or perhaps an accidental death

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Speaker 3: or an accidental overdose. I noticed that there was the

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Speaker 3: energy that we would observe from equipment malfunctioning, from electronics,

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Speaker 3: from different types of volatile scenarios. The energy which was

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Speaker 3: present and would certainly play a role in these environments,

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Speaker 3: would sometimes prevent us from doing our work. But at

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Speaker 3: times it would cause us to observe that there was

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Speaker 3: something else going on as opposed to the main reason

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Speaker 3: why we were there. Something in addition, and sometimes it

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Speaker 3: can be a little overwhelming, and then at times it

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Speaker 3: gives us a better idea to understand the nature of

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Speaker 3: the circumstances of what took place.

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Speaker 2: Is it something you sense, something you feel.

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Speaker 3: Well. Sory issues are certainly are a big part of

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Speaker 3: what we do. It's like the whole spicy senses. When

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Speaker 3: your spiny senses are up, usually there's a reason for it.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's odor, whether it is it's audio. Odor plays

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Speaker 3: a big part in what we do. It's very big.

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Speaker 3: It's an overlook. What I've noticed, George, is that it's

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Speaker 3: an overlooked issue. It's an overlooked sensory that people don't

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Speaker 3: there's a lot that has to be senterive different types

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Speaker 3: of odors, whether it is in fact a future faction gas,

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Speaker 3: whether it's a biological odor, whether it's a chemical order.

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Speaker 3: But these are the things that we observe and we see.

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Speaker 3: That also gives us a better idea of what we're

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Speaker 3: dealing with, both in the present and in what might

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Speaker 3: be the very distant the not too distant future, in

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Speaker 3: regards and respect to certain elements of the paranoid well

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Speaker 2: When you're on the scene of this circumstance, this tragedy,

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Speaker 2: whatever it may be, how long do you stay there?

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Speaker 3: Well that's a great question. Well, you know what, George,

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Speaker 3: The decontamination protocol has a very specific way of how

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Speaker 3: OSHA regulations or the EPA regulations. But every situation is different.

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Speaker 3: So for example, a homicide we would treat differently as

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Speaker 2: Again, of course, would you say that there's some type

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Speaker 2: of paranormal experience with all these cases.

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Speaker 3: Well, not all the cases, but a lot of the

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Speaker 3: For example, as I mentioned previously, a homicide, an accidental death,

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Speaker 3: over the years that the energy in these particular environments

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of common sense here. If someone

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Speaker 3: different types of DNA and the way that the DNA

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Speaker 3: the trajectory depending on the circumstances, of course, also gives

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Speaker 2: And I would guess if you are on some kind

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Speaker 2: isn't there?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there is, George there most definitely is. We recently,

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Speaker 3: right before Christmas, we've worked on a file where an

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Speaker 3: In fact, I can't go into too much detail, of course,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure you can appreciate this, but will what

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Speaker 3: inflict on Christmas Eve, of all days and of all times.

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Speaker 3: And what we see is that in these particular scenarios

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Speaker 3: whether it is our equipment that will malfunction or lights

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Speaker 3: It's a combination of that that causes the hair on

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Speaker 3: And this is what we experience in these types of

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Speaker 3: and it could certainly be quite displeasant and unpleasant, and

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Speaker 3: it's awkward working in these environments at times, but it

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Speaker 3: order to make what we do become a little easier

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Speaker 2: Do you find that the circumstances in a hospital are

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Speaker 3: They appear to be a different in the sense that

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Speaker 3: when something is outside, it's more of a free release.

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Speaker 3: It's an uncontrolled environment. In a hospital, it's a controlled environment. Indoors,

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Speaker 2: I would guess some of these areas of activity would

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Speaker 3: Yes, they are. Some of them are unpleasant and some

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Speaker 3: of them are creepy. Some of them are the unsanitary, unhygienic.

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Speaker 3: This is because, for example, someone lives in this type

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Speaker 3: usually a mental health disorder that is associated with these

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Speaker 3: energy that these people have lived with, that they've wallowed in,

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Speaker 3: that they perpetuate from their mental health. Certainly in an

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Speaker 3: these environments you walk in there and you have the issues,

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Speaker 3: the risks associated, the health risks associated. But at the

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Speaker 2: I would bet that there are some places you've gone

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are times where we are in different environments,

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Speaker 3: myself included of course, because I still go into the

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Speaker 3: field almost every day. You know, George, a lot of

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Speaker 3: what I found. Children have a way of changing your

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Speaker 3: a lot more difficult to deal with these environments. In

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Speaker 3: these situations as opposed to non jong. When I was

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Speaker 3: I mean, I could go and deal with a situation

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Speaker 3: with these types of situations. And truly, George, I encourage

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Speaker 3: but I ask our other technicians to go and be

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Speaker 2: How do you handle grief on the scene, Christian from

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Speaker 2: the people who are the survivors of the individual.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question, George. What I can say

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Speaker 3: to do a job and the job is to restore

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Speaker 3: a dangerous environment, whether it's a biological hazard a chemical hazard.

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Speaker 3: We're there to do we need to do, and I

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Speaker 3: you know, George, a lot of the times the family

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Speaker 3: we ask them, politely, certainly, please don't. We're here to

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Speaker 3: do a job. If we'd rather not know any information

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Speaker 3: about the deceased, please allow us to do what we

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Speaker 3: so we can certainly restore order and safety, to allow

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Speaker 3: the family to reoccupy the environment, of course, so that

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Speaker 3: don't want to know anything. We do not want to

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Speaker 3: Let's keep it at this and we need to move forward.

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Speaker 3: So what little information we have regarding the deceased and

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Speaker 3: own way. Myself, what I find is quite helpful is

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Speaker 3: I compartmentalize. And I know some of your listeners are

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Speaker 3: going to say, oh, that's the wrong thing to do,

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Speaker 3: and some respect it is. However, I have no other

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Speaker 3: way of dealing with us at site level and our

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Speaker 3: technicians at site level, except by compartmentalizing all the images

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Speaker 3: to the different types of energy and the emotions that

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Speaker 3: are involved. It's not easy when you have a child

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Speaker 3: is the one who passed and they want to reoccupy

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Speaker 3: off your emotions. What I can say is that it

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Speaker 3: comes with years of experience, similar to a law enforcement

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Speaker 3: funeral director. The best answer I can give you, George,

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Speaker 3: is that it can I have graduated to this level

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Speaker 3: based on over two decades of work in this industry

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Speaker 3: and understanding that we have a job to do. Let's

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Speaker 3: keep it at this.

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