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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: E Elizabeth Dutton, Mcgirls, Aaron Burnett. I got a question

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Speaker 2: for you. Have been burning as uh huh. You know

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: Do you I do? We're just making that face.

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Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent serious. It's ridiculously cool. Oh really yeah,

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Speaker 3: our listeners, Yeah, totally sure. So I have two things

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Speaker 3: for you today, listener mail. The first is from Summer

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Speaker 3: that says, Hi both. I'm a new listener from London, England.

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely loving listening to the show. I'm currently listening

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Speaker 3: to The Ocean's ten the Baker Street robbery episode, and

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Speaker 3: have more information for you on the emergency circumcision ambulance mentioned.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning, Oh thank you, Sommer.

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Speaker 3: It was owned by a man called from Josevic, who

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Speaker 3: is a Hackney based private circumcisions surgeon. I say that

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Speaker 3: eighty five times. Who does home visits?

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Speaker 2: He's not a moil, He's not to somebody who does

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Speaker 2: the circumcisions culturally, Well, no he does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose he's an and Hackneys in East London.

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Speaker 3: The Audi TT was a private ambulance, so not part

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Speaker 3: of our national health service, so you can't call nine

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Speaker 3: nine nine our version of nine to one one to

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Speaker 3: get a call out. I believe, but can't confirm that

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Speaker 3: it services the Shamrim Jews. I'm maybe not saying that

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Speaker 3: right Jewish community in London, but don't quote me on that.

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Speaker 3: I'll attach the relevant links below. Anyway, I'm loving the show,

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Speaker 3: can't wait to hear more. Summer.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I came through with the intel on that, so that

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Speaker 3: was ridiculously cool to get an update, a ridiculously cool update.

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Speaker 3: And then we heard from Jeremy through Instagram and he said, hey, y'all,

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Speaker 3: not sure if you guys already talked about this monstrosity

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Speaker 3: on the podcast intro, but if you haven't enjoyed this

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Speaker 3: food crime, they were first come, first serve, is what

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Speaker 3: he's saying.

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Speaker 2: Oh was this a mashup? Did you sneak a mashup?

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Speaker 2: Hask me? He gave me all like, oh, listener, Summer's

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Speaker 2: got this cool bit of fun fact. And then all

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Speaker 2: was by the way, if somebody decided they made an

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Speaker 2: edible bagel that you can wear as a shoe.

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Speaker 3: Close. So it says they were first come, first serve

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Speaker 3: on their Sauccles website late last year, and each box

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Speaker 3: got two tongue torchin and two zax sauce flavors. And

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Speaker 3: I was quote lucky enough to get a box of them.

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Speaker 3: And yes, they were just as horrendous tasting as they look.

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Speaker 2: What is sauccles. I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: So Zaxby's.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the chicken price in the fast.

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Speaker 3: Food place, which is, if I think, is a fancy

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Speaker 3: fast food place. Where I lived in the deep rural South,

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Speaker 3: you had to drive like an hour to get to

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Speaker 3: fancy Zaxby's.

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Speaker 2: High class.

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Speaker 3: We have Bojangles. So they had saucicles which were popsicles

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Speaker 3: that were sauce flavored. Oh god, So it says Zaxby's

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Speaker 3: sauce is going where no sauce is gone before freezer.

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Speaker 3: Well they're saying that they've gone where no sauce is

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Speaker 3: gone before the freezer. Guess what people freeze sauce? Zaxby.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how people live. And

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Speaker 3: it says why because we figured if you'll lick every

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Speaker 3: last drop of that legendary sauce off your fingers, you'll

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Speaker 3: probably lick every last drip of sauce off a popsicle.

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Speaker 3: So what are you waiting for? Get them? Will they're cold?

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Speaker 2: I question your reasoning about what I will do, sir.

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Speaker 3: Two flavors, yes, tongue torch, a mild garlicly peppery heat,

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Speaker 3: just cold. In other words, spice spice baby is what

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Speaker 3: it says. And then it also says ice cream. Use

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Speaker 3: This is for Zack's sauce, which I suppose is they're

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Speaker 3: like house sauce, You know, sauce Somalie draws up ice cream,

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Speaker 3: you scream, We all scream for this creamy blend of

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Speaker 2: Can I be left out of this? Can I be

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Speaker 2: left out of the WII? Say?

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Speaker 3: The sauce sauccle freezer is empty, so they're not available anymore?

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Speaker 2: Oh darn.

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Speaker 3: And apparently they were shipping them places, but it says

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Speaker 2: So is this like the Fall of Rome is the

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Speaker 3: Weird decadent fall of Rome? In this country?

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Speaker 2: We were making animals extinct because they're just like, yes,

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Speaker 2: I like to eat their tongues.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well they're taking out the rare wild zaxonies.

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Speaker 2: I can't chicken with eight breasts a saucicle. I didn't

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Speaker 2: need to know that way, Thanks, Jeremy oh Man, I

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Speaker 2: got I got something for you. You got a second

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Speaker 2: I want to get you back. No, this one's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's a guy from Omaha, Nebraska, and I thought you did. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: his own mother said, quote, he looks like a nerd. Now,

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Speaker 2: this guy, he'd given himself the street name mcguiver, So

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Speaker 2: you know I love him. Yeah, yeah, So he's basically

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Speaker 2: you know. For those who don't know, this story takes

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Speaker 2: place in the mid nineties, and mcgiver was an early

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Speaker 2: eighties poster boy for Ingenuity under Pressure. Right now, this

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Speaker 2: nerdy team from Omaha. He was like, I'm known for

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Speaker 2: my improvisational skills, right, but not to like blow up

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Speaker 2: cartel speedboats with like a hunk of bubblegum and like

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Speaker 2: a double a battery and a paper clip. No, that

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Speaker 2: kind of mcguiver. More like I can go to a

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Speaker 2: gas station and walk out with cartons of cigarettes mcgiver, Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: whatever you know. Anyway, So this cat, he said, he

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Speaker 2: turns to crime, finds he's good at it. He's so

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Speaker 2: good he earns himself a new nickname. The James Bond

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Speaker 2: of Crime. That's an upgrade, right, totally right, and it

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Speaker 2: goes from TV to movies anyway. Supremely fitting because by then,

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Speaker 2: at this point the dude was allegedly parachuting onto Austrian

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Speaker 2: Not bad for a kid from Omaha, huh huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 4: outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Heicce and cons. Yes, it's always nine to nine percent

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Speaker 2: moder free and one ridiculous. Elizabeth saren so glad to

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Speaker 2: have you here, Thank you, because, oh boy, do I

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Speaker 2: have a very special episode of Ridiculous Crime for you.

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Speaker 3: Am I going to learn a lot By the time

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Speaker 3: it's over, We're all.

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Speaker 2: Going to be changed. Yeah. So you hear me say

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Speaker 2: this a fair bit a lot. We'll say these are

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Speaker 2: this chat I love him, right, But in this instance,

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Speaker 2: I'd say all of those are true. This is my

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So meet Gerald Blanchard, International Burglar Extraordinaire. He's also the

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Speaker 2: star in the focus of a new documentary that's about

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Speaker 2: to come out from Hulu called The Jewel Thief. Now,

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Speaker 2: the folks from Hula, they reached out to ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: and they said to me, you don't open the emails.

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Speaker 2: your email. But anyway, I watched it. I enjoyed it,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't tell you about it. So I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you about it now. So I thought i'd tell you

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Speaker 2: about my dude, Gerald Blanchard. Now I told you up

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Speaker 2: tom dudes from Omaha, Nebraska. That's not exactly true. I've

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Speaker 2: already started lying to you. Oh right, you know, so

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Speaker 2: history begins earlier than that. He was originally from Canada.

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Speaker 2: No? No, he's not that kind of guy.

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Speaker 3: Is that how far back you're going?

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Speaker 2: Like he was a glimmer in his parent's eye? But no,

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Speaker 2: he was. He was adopted by two loving parents and

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Speaker 2: then raised in a family and home of wealth and privilege. Right.

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Speaker 2: But then, as so often happens for those featured on

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Speaker 2: this show, there was a schism in his childhood and

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Speaker 2: So his parents get divorced, right, that was the schism

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Speaker 2: worrying too much. And they had each other. Their love

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Speaker 3: So they had each other, but not health insurance exactly America.

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Speaker 2: So the bank for closes on their home and this

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Speaker 2: And he buries about one hundred grand behind his mom's

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Speaker 3: He bought a home at sixteen after earlier? How does

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Speaker 2: That's what I know. Now, Boom, this starts his real

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Speaker 2: then throw the match. Now they have a fire bomb, right,

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Speaker 2: So they go and they go and to check, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Good question? Thank you, Thank you so much, like that

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Speaker 2: And then Gerald's like, you know what, I'm tired of

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Speaker 2: I said, the kids all have been talking about him.

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Speaker 4: Come home.

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Speaker 2: Now. They're like, sorry, we're taking you in. They arrest them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So this sixteen year old is gonna make these

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Speaker 3: All right, Elizabeth, Okay, we're back and now, okay, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So we had the car be a fire bomb

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Speaker 2: The police officer totally disrespected me. And I knew I

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, it's amazing. The cops walk back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's wow, exactly, that kid's got stones.

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Speaker 2: So he stays up there. Cops are flabbergasted, and they

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh yeah. He drives out of the cop

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the police in the station, they were looking

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Speaker 2: But they lock up for us. Yeah, so that's it. No,

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00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 2: they call it right. So then he drops down out

430
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 2: of the ceiling tiles. He goes over to the detective

431
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: who disrespected him, and he goes over to his desk.

432
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: I couldn't think guy's not asleep at his desk. He

433
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 2: goes over to his desk, right, and then he quote

434
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 2: takes the cops gun, his badge, his walkie talkie, the

435
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 2: pictures of his wife and it's kids off of his desk,

436
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 2: his rolodex file, and I took a bullet out of

437
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: his gun, put a happy face on it and stuck

438
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: it right on the middle of the desk.

439
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like the what is in this this child?

440
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: But also why does the cop leave his gun unsecured

441
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: in his desk?

442
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 2: I guess this is I mean, basically the response the

443
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 2: nineties Omaha Nebraskat hadn't gotten full militarized yet once again,

444
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 2: even so, they don't have all the tanks and everything

445
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: they've gotten fully militarized, so I think they're like down

446
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 2: home cops there. Like I locked my desk drawer. Oh

447
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: I forgot to lock my desk drawer. Whatever, the door

448
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 2: is locked at the detective's office. I don't know. I

449
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: have no idea. It surprised me. I'm surprised he didn't

450
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 2: get cup in the interrogation room.

451
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's you know what I mean.

452
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 2: There's so many things. I'm like, Wow, things are casual

453
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 2: and Omaha anyway. So, as Gerald puts it, everyone should

454
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: be respected no matter what. But when someone disrespects you,

455
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 2: you have a problem, or at least I have a problem,

456
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 2: and I will make you pay for it. Oh yike,

457
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 2: man Diddy. Because Gerald's not done, Gerald bundles all this

458
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: stuff into a police uffle bag and he bounces. So

459
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: he leaves the dude's gun, his badge, pictures of his wife.

460
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: Now he's in a chess match with the Omaha police,

461
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 2: so he's trying to help think him. He's okay, what

462
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: did they think that I would go? What's a safe

463
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 2: place that they wouldn't think that I would think that

464
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: he's doing all this Inteed decides I'm gonna go home

465
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: because he's a teenage boss. They wouldn't think that I

466
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: would be dumb enough to go there. And also he

467
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 2: just really wanted to sleep, So he goes back to

468
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: his house, goes home, goes to sleep. Next morning, the

469
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 2: Blues and Twos roll up to his house. I think,

470
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 2: so yeah, bubble gum machines blaring the lights. They come

471
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: out with full riot gear swat team. They bust down

472
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 2: the door, show up like guns in his face and

473
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: he's not in bed. Nobody he's there. They're like, what

474
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 2: I thought they care to be here? Takes them a while.

475
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: They go digging through boxes and boxes and they go

476
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: into this one closet fill the box. They take some

477
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: ten fifteen minutes to pull all the boxes out. They

478
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: finally pull all the boxes out and there behind like

479
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: some little crawl spaces a half naked Gerald going, oh,

480
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 2: you caught me. So he gets brought in, right, he's arrested.

481
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: Now remember I said double escape.

482
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so listen.

483
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: Now he got wrapped. Once he's a rest he's back

484
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: in custody. So he gets transferred. The arresting detective tells

485
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: the Omaha Pde uniform Cup be careful. This guy's kind

486
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: of slick, right, uniform Cup. You gotta see this guy

487
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: in the documentary. It's really macho.

488
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: God.

489
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: He's like, tells the story great, and he's like, yeah,

490
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: they ain't gonna be a problem. This nerdy kidd ache

491
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: gonna get away from me right there. I'm telling you

492
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: this is foreshadowing. He can take away from you. Roger

493
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: Ramjet So cut to him. A few moments later, they're

494
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: at Central booking the uniform officer he parks. He gets

495
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: out of his patrol car, leaving Gerald in the back

496
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: handcuffs on right behind his back. He's canna cuff this, yeah,

497
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 2: But before the cop can say John Jacob Jingleheimerschmidt, Gerald

498
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: has hopped over the seat, drops into the driver's seat

499
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: of the cop car, locks the cop car doors. Then

500
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: the cop spins around. When he hears the doors locked, he

501
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: sees the suspect now in his patrol car with like

502
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: his gun and his keys. His hands are up in

503
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 2: front of his face, now holding onto the steering wheel.

504
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: He's managed to get them over his head or under

505
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: his kick exactly, so his hands no longer behind his back.

506
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,239
Speaker 2: He grabs the steering wheel. The cop goes, oh no,

507
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: he really His whole career starts splashing before his eyes.

508
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: What does he do? What does he do? Elizabeth? He

509
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: goes for his gun and he draws on the boy.

510
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's because the kid's behind the wheel.

511
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: He's now behind the wheel of a lethal weapon.

512
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: That's true that you're you're much more stute than I'm.

513
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, like, Okay, what are you gonna do?

514
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: Shoot the cop car? So he's like he's going to

515
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: do exactly, He's prepared. But then I think the you know,

516
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: Gerald knew that he wouldn't. So all the screaming is

517
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: going on in the cop shop full volume. Remember they're

518
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: in Central Booking parking lot of Central. The cops just

519
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: popped out for a second. So the guy's yelling like

520
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 2: it's like you know in Reservoir Dogs when they had

521
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 2: that moment. Look, buddy, I will shoot you in the face.

522
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: That's what I was picturing. When he's telling the story,

523
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: he's like all angry, right, So he squared off cop

524
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: in criminal What does the kid do? What does Gerald do?

525
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: Put it in reverse, and well he's the cop has

526
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: backed in, so they're facing each other. He's looking at them,

527
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: he's looking. He drives right, he punches hid so he

528
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: floors and he puts the cop up on the hood

529
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: of his own car, dumps a cop behind him. Tire squeal,

530
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: smoke fills the arrow. Gerald races off. He drives through

531
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: the parking lot style gate shatters that he's on the loose, right,

532
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: So what does he do now? He drives one state

533
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: away in a.

534
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: Cop car in a cop car.

535
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: So the original arresting detective was in Iowa, right. So

536
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: he's out working a traffic accident scene directing traffic. He

537
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: spots a car in Iowa because this is taking place

538
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: with Council Bluffs, Iowa and Obaha, Nebraska. So he drives

539
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: over to Council Bluffs, Iowa, one state away, right, And

540
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: this is a neighboring jurisdiction essentially, but the neighboring jurisdiction

541
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: is a different step. So the cop is in Iowa

542
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: and now he's wondering what an Omaha cop car is

543
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: doing in Iowa coming up on a traffic scene. But

544
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: he's like whatever, starts waving the guy through. He's like,

545
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: I must be doing business. Maybe he's going home to

546
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: his wife. I don't know what it is. Right then

547
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: he notices, like, wait a minute, that's not a cop.

548
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: He sees a shirtless, half naked Gerald Blanch shirtless behind

549
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: the wheel. I don't know when he took his clothes off,

550
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: never put a shirt on him. Yes, anyway, he's sitting there,

551
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: he's a you know, naked from the waist up, and

552
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: he just kind of like meekly waves at the cop

553
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: cop has Yes, exactly, you're picturing it. Cop has mom like,

554
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: am I having a stroke?

555
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

556
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: What's going on? He like drops his clipboard and everything

557
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: from the accident scened runs over his cop car and

558
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: he gives chase right, so then boom and then the

559
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: finally they managed they chase him for a while, they

560
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: catch Gerald and boom. Because of all of these charges,

561
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: he's now going to prison.

562
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 3: Oh, I would say so.

563
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he goes off to prison and that's really

564
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: becomes a real, real criminal. And after he comes out,

565
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is like, you know, he's

566
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 2: moved on from I'm gonna steal from Radio Shack. Now

567
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm ready to be James Bond because you

568
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: made me a hard criminal exactly. So this guy rare

569
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: one total lollapalooza of a man rather than a pull

570
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: quotes from like newspaper articles or you know, share more

571
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: quotes from the Hulu doc.

572
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: I have a surprise for you, accent.

573
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: Well, I figured we could hear from Gerald himself. What Yeah,

574
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: I sat down with him for an interview. No producer, Dave,

575
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: would you hit play? Well? Gerald, thank you for making

576
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: time to speak with ridiculous crime. I'm super stoked to

577
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: talk to you. I've checked out the Whola documentary The

578
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Jewel Thief. I very much enjoyed it, and I am

579
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: just super gitty to speak with you today. So thank

580
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: you for making time.

581
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 5: For us, Thanks for having me on your shoulder.

582
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: Now, Gerald, I did my research. I saw your government name,

583
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: Gerald Daniel Blanchard, street name mcguiver. You're called the James

584
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Bond of crime. But I want to ask you which

585
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: criminal title do you prefer? Master thief, international, criminal mastermind?

586
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 5: Well, when I was younger in Omaha, Nebraska, my street

587
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: name was mcgiver because I would always be tinkerringing with

588
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: electronics and doing pranks in high school with friends, like

589
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 5: shocking the biggest guy in high school, like a guy

590
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 5: named or Meets for an example. So my school was

591
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 5: like really tough, and that's why they gave me that

592
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 5: street name mcgiver or actually, and they also called me

593
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 5: the Wizard when I was in jail. But those were

594
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 5: the two names.

595
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: Nice and nice. And now what do you prefer in

596
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: terms of like your criminal appellation? Do you like a

597
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: criminal mastermind? Do you like master thief? Do you like

598
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: jewel thief? What do you think making yourself as if

599
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: you were to be, you know, described in such terms.

600
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 5: Well, if I had to be described, I would probably

601
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: just say I don't know, maybe just Gerald because the

602
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 5: past is the past.

603
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: Fair enough. Look at that, Elizabeth, My god, I am.

604
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: Like, I am having such a hard time processing this.

605
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: I can't believe you actually talked to him.

606
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I gotta have to finally talk to one of

607
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: my dudes, the Wizard. Yes, the Wizard and I we

608
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: mashed it up. This is my idea of the mash up, Elizabeth. See,

609
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: we like the King mash up. So we got the guy,

610
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: the actual guy. And I said, like, you know, like

611
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: I wanted asking all these questions, the ones we constantly pose,

612
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, what's life like as a

613
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: professional criminal? Like you know, we're your role models, and

614
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: I'd like in all honestly, these are the things I read.

615
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: How many movies have you watched? Are you writing a book?

616
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: Exactly? When do you get a book deal? Do you

617
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: have a literary agent? So this is I have their number?

618
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: Exactly what do I have to do a crime? Or

619
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: can I? Can I fake a crime and then do anyway?

620
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: So this is like the first time really coming forward

621
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: and telling his story, not to us but the Hulu

622
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: doc He comes from this o so but he'd.

623
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: Ha, oh that's right, I'd forgotten about the Houlah Yeah.

624
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: Sorry. So he had other opportunities in the past to

625
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: come forward. There are big name people who asked him

626
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: to tell the story, like names, you know, like Oprah.

627
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: What he's one of the few people to tell.

628
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: Oprah no, And like he said no to Oprah.

629
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, day, I can you play the club?

630
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: Thirteen years ago, Oprah actually called my criminal lawyer, Danny

631
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 5: Gunn from Winnipeg, Manitoba, requested for me to do an interview,

632
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 5: and I turned her down because I wanted my privacy.

633
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 5: And I decided to do this documentary with Landon in

634
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: Hulu because I thought it was the right time to

635
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: tell my side of the story and what things transpired.

636
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Right. So he says no to Oprah.

637
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, like does he have like is there

638
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: a price on his head now that he's denied Oprah something?

639
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: I think he kind of had to wait for some things.

640
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: Deceimber down Stadman's outside of his house in the bushes,

641
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: like the silencer.

642
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Nobody says no to Oprah tightening the silence. So, uh,

643
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: the systeps was our you know, our chance to actually

644
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: talk to an actual, factual international jewel thief. Yeah. I

645
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: asked a lot of the things that we wonder about

646
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: on this show. I didn't go for, like, you know,

647
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: the normal questions of like a respectable journalist might. I

648
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: went for the questions we want to know they answer to,

649
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Like who did you look up to when you were

650
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: a baby crimer? I asked him, you know, like when

651
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: when you were a young perp, who did you want

652
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: to be? Things like that, Right, So I said, uh, Dave,

653
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: do you mind this doc from Hulu, The Jewel Thief?

654
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: It covers your impressive criminal career. And I just was

655
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: just curious because we spent a lot of time talking

656
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: about criminals on our show, and we often look at

657
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: the arc of a career, and I was wondering, when

658
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: you were first starting out, who did you look up to?

659
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Who did you have as your criminal role models?

660
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: Actually it was Batman and Robin and I was always

661
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: fascinated by they were trying to catch the bad guy,

662
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: and that seemed like it was easier to be a

663
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 5: bad guy than a good guy.

664
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

665
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: So I remember when I was younger watching the show,

666
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: and then I remember, like my first heist and that

667
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: was going to o the neighbor's milk because when my

668
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: mom left my father, we were actually really poor.

669
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: Oh right, Oh my god.

670
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Batman and Robin are his criminal role model. He's like,

671
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: it's easier to beat the bad guy. Is amazing. He

672
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: takes all the wrong it is amazing.

673
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: Is like the greatest day of my life.

674
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: I thought you loved this. A little surprise for you.

675
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: It's so good.

676
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: And his first heist is stealing milk. You know, he's

677
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: like my first tie. That's when I was a milk runner, but.

678
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: It was for a good cause.

679
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: Totally. Oh yeah, you got I gotta say.

680
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: Too, Zaren, you would almost think that you were a journalist.

681
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: These amazing questions.

682
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: Well, let's just pretend along, all right, So the questions

683
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: we always talk about, Right, as I said, I gotta

684
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: finally ask one of my dudes. And I was like,

685
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: I love this answer. Isn't like Michael mant heat or Scorse,

686
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: it's Batman and Robins.

687
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

688
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: So I also got to ask him, like I said

689
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: at one point, quote, we found a lot of criminals

690
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: who escape into the movies and the shows they watch,

691
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: and I was like, telling, they start imagining this bigger,

692
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: better life that's existing up on the screen right or

693
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: the flickering screen of TV, the silver screen of movie theater,

694
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I'm like a lot of them, that's

695
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: where they and also they get their ideas where the crimes.

696
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: So I asked Gerald, like, did you ever do that?

697
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: And he was like, actually, pro no, I was just

698
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: more creative on my own ways.

699
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: Don't you love this guy?

700
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

701
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

702
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: I was like I want to tell him by like

703
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: we don't faid, but he's like, no, I don't do that.

704
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: I was like, never mind, moving on.

705
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: So much better than that.

706
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: So I see he's very much his own guy, a

707
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: little cocky, which I also like. And I asked him

708
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: about his strong moral code because you'll notice he has this.

709
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: It showed his moral code showed off very early from

710
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: like you know, his first bust at fifteen. He's kind

711
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: of like that train robbing bandit Billy Minor that way.

712
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: He's like, he has his real strong code. He won't

713
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: rob individuals. He only robs companies, corporations, and then like

714
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: when he like robs from banks and stuff. He'll like

715
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: call the credit card companies and be like, here's all

716
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: the credit cards that I took. So if you see

717
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: these charges, don't oh well, yeah, he's insane. So Gerald

718
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: told me about how he was like, in my words,

719
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: that kind of like a mafia don honoring the code

720
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: of Omerta. When he gets busted, he wouldn't say a word, right,

721
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: no matter how much the cops tried to scare the

722
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: kid that was sitting across the table from them for

723
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: his first big bust. He's out. They're looking at for

724
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: his crew.

725
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: Right, this is amazing.

726
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: We know the manager of the store has been involved.

727
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: And the police officer gave me a pencil and a

728
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 5: piece of paper and said, write down on this paper

729
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: and tell me exactly what happened and you can go

730
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 5: home tonight, and if you don't, you're going to jail.

731
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: That's the first time in my life I had to

732
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: make the decision. Am I going to be a rat

733
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 5: and keeps solid? And I said, Okay, if I rat

734
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 5: this guy out, he's going to lose his job, he

735
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 5: has a family, he has kids, He's going to go

736
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 5: to jail. I'm going to destroy this guy's life. But

737
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: if I keep my mouth shut, what's going to happen.

738
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: They're going to send me to youth jail.

739
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: This kid's got a pair on him, right, seriously, so

740
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: he refuses a snitch. He takes his sentence like he's

741
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Polly Walnuts and this earns him respect when he gets

742
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: on the inside.

743
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: He's not violent. I mean he did hit that cop,

744
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: which is like he's probably still in phad.

745
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: Pulled a gun on him. I mean, you're kind of

746
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: escalated to the point of like I think he would

747
00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: have driven away without it.

748
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: I just think of his poor knees as someone was

749
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: really destroyed knees.

750
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: I asked Cherld about our theory, but criminals who only

751
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: steal from fat cats incorporations and why they choose and

752
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: never use violence or steal from their equals, you know,

753
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: or the vulnerable if you will. Now he had a

754
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: great view on this, so I thought you would like

755
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: a producer, David. He had that clip.

756
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: I'll tell you this, I'm very one hundred percent against

757
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: stealing from individuals so much so that might be because

758
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 5: I remember I had a coin collection when I was

759
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: maybe eight or nine years old, and my sister took

760
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: the hinges off the back of my safe and stole

761
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 5: some of my coins. She stole it, and I was like,

762
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 5: how could you steal from your own family member, like

763
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 5: your own brother? And she was really young, like maybe

764
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 5: six at the time, so I can't blame her because

765
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 5: she didn't know better. But I've always been against stealing

766
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: from people like just so much. I just frowned upon it.

767
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 5: You want to steal, go to the store and steal

768
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: from a big names story. They can absorb the cost,

769
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: just sortain extent, rather than the family next stories worked

770
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: really hard their whole lives to have all this stuff

771
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: saved their money, and then the neighbor goes in there

772
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 5: and robs and while they're at work. That's not fair.

773
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 5: I do not like that.

774
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: This is yeah's amazing.

775
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 2: I thought you'd love that guy. We could hear from

776
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: his mouth like boom, there's the yeah, I've saved the

777
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: most impressive crime, at least to me. That He's got

778
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of crimes that a lot of them are impressive,

779
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: But the one that I want to tell you about

780
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: is an international gem thief heist. So take a break

781
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: and I will get all my papers in order, and

782
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the rest in a second. Awesome, All right, Elizabeth,

783
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: we're back. Yes, so I said. The the most impressive

784
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: crime into my mind is the one I'm about to

785
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: tell you international gem thief.

786
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: This is like an escalation.

787
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh he's This is when he gets its like

788
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: James Bond level, like criming on. Right. So have you

789
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: ever heard of the c C Star of Austria. No,

790
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this either. Do you know who

791
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Empress c C is? I did not know. I had

792
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: to look all this.

793
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: It sounds like my next door neighbor's little daughter, Empress CC.

794
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: Oh really what she would make you call her?

795
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: Like? Oh?

796
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: I thought her real name was Like, she's always.

797
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: Out there playing outside. Remember sure you are kid.

798
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: So warm hearted? So this this Empress c she shares

799
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 2: your name. Oh yeah, Elizabeth, not Clyde, Elizabeth Amiie Eugenie,

800
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: Empress of Austria and Queen to Hungary.

801
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: Good for her.

802
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was all by via marriage to Emperor Franz

803
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: Joseph the first huh. Yeah. She ruled from April twenty first,

804
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty four, until she was assassinated by an anarchist

805
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety eight.

806
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: That was a that was a common thing at this Yeah,

807
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: that was.

808
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big cause of death with an anarchism. It

809
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: was like heart attack, car accident.

810
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: Just wait, I'm gonna tell you about it.

811
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: That car accident. Little too early for that burnette anyway, but.

812
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: She was She was not only the proto anarchist cars.

813
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Diesel, like he's inventing a car running over his neighbors.

814
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: We had like three anyway, So the longest ruling monarch

815
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: of the nineteenth century, she was one of them. She

816
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: was also considered one of the most striking beautiful women

817
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: of the nineteenth century. She was like she set standards

818
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: for certain things. I think you'd like her because she

819
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: was fluent to multiple languages. She wrote poetry. She called

820
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: herself Titiana, in honor of the fairy queen of Shakespeare.

821
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: Like that was like her court name. But she was

822
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: not into court life. She kind of like thumbed her

823
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: nose at all. She suffered blue period what'll be called depression.

824
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: She was very much her own woman. She smoke cigarettes,

825
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: which was unheard of in the mid nineteenth century, like

826
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: it was big in the nineteen twenty.

827
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's true.

828
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: So even more shocking, she had a tattoo and that

829
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: just like some normal like oh, I don't know, like

830
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: a rose. Yeah it rose exactly, I'm shrinking flower. She

831
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: had an anchor tattoo on her arm. She said it

832
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: marked her love of the sea and her affinity for

833
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: sailors eighteen.

834
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: Did she like a Polynesian tattoo?

835
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: No, she just was aware that people have these, and

836
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: she's like, I want one, give me one. I want

837
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: the anchor for He doesn't say, mom, Mom married me.

838
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: I love her.

839
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: Also, she was a strident animal lover.

840
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: Everything is better and better about that, right, I'm.

841
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: Telling you she's like your patron saint Franctically. For the

842
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: holiday Saints Day, she was asked what gifts that you

843
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: know she would like, and she was like, oh yes

844
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: in her answer very elizabeth. Yeah. She said that she

845
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: would like a a baby tiger and be a medallion,

846
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: and above all, she said that she would like quote

847
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: a fully equipped lunatic asylum would please me most.

848
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, I wouldn't want the baby tiger,

849
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: you know how I am wildly but wanted still gift card.

850
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.

851
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: I want to now I want a lunatic asylum.

852
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Right, exactly, She was known for a compassionate treatment of

853
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: suffering from mental illness, so she wanted to be able

854
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: to give them greater care. Yes, that's what she means,

855
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: fully equipped. She met with doctors for everybody. Oh yeah,

856
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: so she was also a lover of fine things. It's

857
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: in particular Empress CC. She loved gemstones her. That was

858
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: like her bag basically, so the people, if they wanted

859
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: to impress it, they're like, oh, hey, beautiful woman, please

860
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: wear my gemstones. Right, so we get the Star of CCI.

861
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety eight, to mark the one hundred year anniversary,

862
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: the centenary of Empress Elizabeth's death, the Star of CC

863
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: was put out on display at the Schombrone Palace of Vienna. Okay,

864
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: right now. Coincidentally, my man Gerald Blanchard happened to be

865
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: in Vienna at that time. He was there with his

866
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: then wife and father in law. They took a tour

867
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: of the palace. Oh, look at all the fineries, right,

868
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: and he goes and he spots the jewels.

869
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: I've actually seen the palace before. Really, word, I've been there.

870
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: You've been in this palace. I have look at you jetson. Well,

871
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: give me so lokive me, dude, much like you wander

872
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: around in the palace. He's smit with all the fineries

873
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: that you could probably better attest to than I. He's

874
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: delighted by them. Is it really spectacular in there? Okay?

875
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: So he was just gobsmacked by all this. He decides

876
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: right then and there, I must steal the Star of CC. Yes,

877
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: this message. It's one of those like National Treasure moments

878
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: or like Nicholas Cage. I'm going to steal the decoration.

879
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: Dependent of criminals on the show who see something and

880
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: it just speaks to them. I have to have it.

881
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: He had that voice.

882
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's all that's.

883
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: Do that one more.

884
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll be able to talk.

885
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: I want that little voice on my shoulder anyway. The

886
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: c C Star is also known as the Cocuert Diamond Pearl.

887
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: It is a ten pointed star. It is bejeweled with

888
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: diamonds on the stars arms or legs what you call it?

889
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 5: Uh.

890
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: They all fan out from the center and not the

891
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: center is a single enormous pearl right, very striking the

892
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: museum staff. It took them a year to discover that

893
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: the CC Star had been stolen wait what Yes, the

894
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: reason why is the thief had left behind a replica

895
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: one he was just at the gift shop. No, that's amazing.

896
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: So Lizabeth, as I told you, we have the rare

897
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk shop with a career criminals. So the

898
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: man alleged to have stolen the Star of CCI is

899
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: Gerald Blanchard, So I thought we'd ask him all about

900
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: the jewel heist. Dave, you mind the C C Star

901
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: of Austria? Why that one? What about that one? Drew

902
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: your attention? You decided I'm just going to do this,

903
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: like was it a one off? Was it a new challenge?

904
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: Was it you were there with you know, the wife

905
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: and the father in laws. You're like, I just need

906
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: to have an escape.

907
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: Let me say this here in Canada, I played guilty

908
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: to possession of the CC Star. I didn't plead guilty

909
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 5: to the theft because Austria wants to extradite me back

910
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: for the crime because it's international jewel. So I'm not

911
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: going to say I stole it. I'm going to say

912
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: possession of him?

913
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: Why you had, how you had? How you came into possession?

914
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: But you caread in between the lines and somehow it

915
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 5: ended up in my possession.

916
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 4: Was just that.

917
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: But I was at museum, and when I took a tour,

918
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: I saw beautiful pieces. For an example, I saw the

919
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 5: crown with diamonds, I saw the cisy star, different medals

920
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 5: and different things, and it was just something that I was

921
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: just so fascinating and I knew it was one of

922
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 5: a kind. And I like challenges.

923
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Let's just say, my man, he does it as a lark.

924
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: He likes a challenge.

925
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, I gotta do that. I mean, like,

926
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: it's just speaking to me. I got the Elizabeth voice

927
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: in my ear. It's a challenge I got to meet.

928
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, this is better than the Omaha police.

929
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: I can beat this. So he decides, you know, Also

930
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: he told me he was a way to keep his

931
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: mo fresh, you know, like the modus operandi. So he

932
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: wanted them to not be able to guess what crimes

933
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: he would do and also expand his possibilities. So because

934
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: he keeps the cops guessing, and also he kept me guessing,

935
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: I had to know more Elizabeth. So I was like,

936
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, Elizabeth, maybe looking for a new retirement plan.

937
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: Maybe she maybe perhaps bank robbery is right for her,

938
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: so I asked him for more information for you and

939
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: for me. But since we had I said, there's this

940
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: rare opportunity to talk to dude himself here how it

941
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: is from the inside. I asked Gerald Blanchard for a

942
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: personal favor because I was like, all giddy and confused.

943
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm asking you all the

944
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: wrong questions. You should just tell me the thing. What's

945
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: it like on the inside. And he was kind enough

946
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: to oblige me. He was like, oh, okay, I'll tell you.

947
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, well, let me just

948
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: turn the mic over to him.

949
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 5: You, Elizabeth, close your eyes and picture it, imagining jumping

950
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 5: out of an air plane into the darkness and you

951
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 5: see the street lights so far down, and you see

952
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: the rooftop of the castle, and you're hoping you would

953
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: land perfectly. And as you land, you hit so hard

954
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: you could feel you're capable. You felt like it shattered

955
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: as you're sliding down the edge of the roof, and

956
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 5: luckily you're slamming on your body up against the column

957
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: so you don't fall off the edge of the roof.

958
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 5: That there is a thrill in itself, the adrenaline overseats

959
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 5: the pain that you feel after you land on the roof.

960
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: You would take your rope and you would wrap your

961
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 5: rope around the column as a big you so as

962
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: you tie to your body, you could lower yourself down

963
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: to the roof and then the window that was left

964
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 5: open the day before, you push open the window, pull

965
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 5: the rope back up. Now you're inside of the museum

966
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: and you have the museum to yourself. It's easy pickings.

967
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 5: All you can hear is your heartbeat. But as long

968
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 5: as you stay quiet and your body's under control, and

969
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 5: the museum all you see is like the emergency lights

970
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: are basically glowing and lighting up, and the only thing

971
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: you can see is like the sparkles of the diamond

972
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: or in another part of the museum there was the

973
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: crown with the diamonds, and that was very challenging and

974
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 5: interesting to have that feeling that at any moment you

975
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: could be caught if somebody walks in, because obviously there's

976
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: armored guards walking around everywhere. When you leave, you leave

977
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 5: the exact same way you take the rope, You wrap

978
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: it around an existing item inside the museum, and you

979
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: let go of the rope. You lower yourself hold the

980
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 5: other rope down, gather up all your items, wrote them

981
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 5: in the dumpster, and you run her way into the

982
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: darkness of night, hopefully never to be seen again.

983
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: Boom, did you picture it?

984
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: That was the best picture it ever.

985
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: Not gonna take that personally, but isn't it? It was

986
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: so also just a point of note, Dave.

987
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: And that's all hypothetical story time.

988
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: All hypothetical, alleged and imagine.

989
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: Exactly all right, Oh sure, yeah.

990
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: I got to put that in there for legal reasons,

991
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: of course. So we got a guided to her from

992
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 2: the man himself allegend allegen. Now, remember how I told

993
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: you earlier that Gerald broke one of the cardinal rules

994
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: of ridiculous crime. Yeah, he left a slew of evidence

995
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: he filmed us up doing crimes. Yeah, I had to

996
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: know why, so I asked him about that. Oh yeah,

997
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: why did you break crime rule number one and decide

998
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: to record so much stuff on camera?

999
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 5: The reason why is because when you record stuff, you

1000
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 5: can go back and learn what you've done and how

1001
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 5: you could do things differently and make things better. Like yeah,

1002
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: when I was younger, me shoplifting from stores when I

1003
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 5: was like fifteen, recording it so what it's shoplifting, Nothing's

1004
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 5: going to happen. But I should have recorded with a

1005
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 5: gold pro when I did the ATMs, Like can you

1006
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 5: imagine me like running to the ATM room, opening up

1007
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 5: each machine, grabbing the money, and then running out and

1008
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 5: having to documented. I should have hit it, But I

1009
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 5: never had the thought that I'm going to get caught

1010
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 5: because I thought I had it really well planned out.

1011
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: So I'm agog I thought he might be what he's

1012
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: talking about with the ATMs. It's one of his bank robberies.

1013
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: He went into in a Canadian bank, and while I

1014
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: was being built, he put in all these security and

1015
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: surveillance equipment, and then once it was about to be opened,

1016
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: then he strikes the night before it's gonna be opened,

1017
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: and he empties all the ATM machines that they have

1018
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: filled up with fresh cash. Oh my, And so we

1019
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: talked about the ATM room. He's talking about a brand

1020
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: new ATM and being in the little room on the

1021
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: backside obviously where they load the machines and just tearing

1022
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: open all those drawers and that seeing all that cash

1023
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: and the.

1024
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: Idea that he wants to be able to like it's

1025
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: like those football films where they watch back.

1026
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: Over places totally wants to watch films.

1027
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: I could, I could have gone right on that. Or

1028
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: it's kind of also like an arsonist who goes back

1029
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: and watches and gets his jollies off.

1030
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought about that. I like more of

1031
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: the idea that he's like John Madden with the telestrap here.

1032
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: I could have come into the agypt exactly so as

1033
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: I told you he was. He got in the bank robbery.

1034
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: He has a really big job the CIBC bank in Winnipeg, Canada,

1035
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: that one eventually would cost him his freedom right. But

1036
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: to learn about that when you have to watch the

1037
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: doc because I don't want to tell all the stories,

1038
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 2: but if you do, want to hear about how he's caught,

1039
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: how he pulled off his biggest heightst jobs and all

1040
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: of that, and then his life is a real life,

1041
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, full hero outlaw. Do check The Jewel Thief.

1042
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: It's streaming now. I enjoyed it.

1043
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: I'll watch it.

1044
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: Elizabeth. You know how you like to sleep.

1045
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: God, I love to sleep, right, yeah, yeah, you know,

1046
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: like you.

1047
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: Know who loves a good night's sleep almost as much

1048
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: as you do. Cats good call a person on the run.

1049
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it's few and far.

1050
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: They never get a good night's sleep, right, and it

1051
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 2: starts to catch up to them and they get all

1052
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, you want to see someone who's grouchy hang

1053
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: out with someone who's on the run. Sure, right, So

1054
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: Gerald discovered the key to a good night's rest. You

1055
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: want to know what it is. What's telling the truth? Apparently,

1056
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: and melowtonin no, no, that's you're seeing. Yeah, So now

1057
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: his recipe is slightly different. His was a night in

1058
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: jail and then telling the truth. So at least that

1059
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: first night in jail was a good night sleep. I

1060
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: don't know about the ones after that, but that first

1061
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: night was like awesome. So he'd been on the run

1062
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: for years at that point, and uh, how was it

1063
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: for Gerald once he finally was busted and his head

1064
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: hit that county issued pillow. Well, we can take it

1065
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: from him, Dave.

1066
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: The best night was the first night I slept in

1067
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: jail like I was caught. I was relieved, I didn't

1068
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 5: have to worry about anything else, and it was the

1069
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 5: best sleep of my life.

1070
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: And we hear this over and over again, how good

1071
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: it feels to be caught. Were you surprised by that relief.

1072
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 5: Actually, I was like, had I known, I probably would

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Speaker 5: have done things a lot differently. I just didn't realize.

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Speaker 5: Like I said to the police, like nine to ten

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Speaker 5: years to catch me.

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Speaker 2: WHOA right?

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Speaker 3: Nine to ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the run for nine to ten years.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole thing. I mean, that's stressful. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: it's crazier than that, because as I told you, he

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, very anti violence, doesn't and he

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Speaker 2: also doesn't want to hurt anybody. He eventually gets involved

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Speaker 2: with real criminals and then international criminals, credit card fraud.

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Speaker 2: Then there's allegations he's involved with a terrorist mastermind and

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Speaker 2: that's where the credit card fraud is funding. And this

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Speaker 2: is like post nine to eleven, two thousand and four eras,

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Speaker 2: So it's like real dicey to be involved with like

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Speaker 2: terrorists find out. So he finds like the world of

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Speaker 2: crime swallows him up like the sea and drags him

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Speaker 2: out into the drowning.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it must be hard to stay nonviolent

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Speaker 3: and stay like not targeting people.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to do the violence, and if you

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Speaker 2: want to protect what you have and also protect yourself

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Speaker 2: against other criminals you're doing business with, who will take

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Speaker 2: from you what you have if you have to defend

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00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: yourself or defend yourself with violence. Eventually you realize I'm

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Speaker 2: in a room with all criminals and they will if

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Speaker 2: I don't act tough and it You're like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: is not the best growth plan. Like I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to do this more and more. I'm had to get

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Speaker 2: other guys with guns to sit next to me and

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Speaker 2: protect my stuff. If I get more stuff, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: need more guys with guns. It's just like this is

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Speaker 2: so that's why you get out of crime, if you

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Speaker 2: really get deep into it. Right anyway, lesson over, what's

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Speaker 2: our ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 3: Wow, I don't know. I mean I think that he's

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Speaker 3: a good cautionary tale that like in terms of like

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Speaker 3: we were just talking about getting swallowed up into larger things.

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Speaker 3: So he had like a I don't want to say

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Speaker 3: a noble mission because he was breaking the law totally,

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Speaker 3: but it's same to But it wasn't damaging to the

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Speaker 3: everyday person.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly, he was His victims were not such that

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Speaker 2: their lives were ruined. He was not you know, causing

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Speaker 2: funerals he was not doing the stuff it's usually the

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Speaker 2: costly aspect and.

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Speaker 3: Just breaking people because he came from a family that

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Speaker 3: had I mean divorce, but you had to know what

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Speaker 3: it's like to just have nothing.

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Speaker 2: He'd been the victim of that, so this time he

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Speaker 2: thought so.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's interesting that he and the idea

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Speaker 3: that your first good night of sleep is the one

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Speaker 3: in jail.

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Speaker 2: After ten years or almost, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I also, my other ridiculous takeaway is apparently like

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Speaker 3: cool things like Hulu and all this other stuff contacts.

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Speaker 2: You open your emails. That's all I got to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Well, my ridiculous takeaway, once again, thank you for asking, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: is not only open your emails. But my other one

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Speaker 2: is that I find it really fascinating how he kind

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Speaker 2: of comes around, because now he is a security consultant,

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Speaker 2: you know, so he's like what we often see. He

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Speaker 2: becomes like the white hat happer. He's like, I'll teach

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Speaker 2: you how to not have your sheep you take, and

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Speaker 2: I'm the wolf who will protect you. But he still

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Speaker 2: has like a not a disregard, but a lot of

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00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: his attitudes haven't changed. He just realized that crime doesn't

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Speaker 2: pay in the way that he wants, but he hasn't

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Speaker 2: changed his mind about like, they're still robbing you too.

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Speaker 2: You have to come around like legally exactly. I like that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's trying to make his way in a

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Speaker 2: world where he's I has to watch other people get

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Speaker 2: away with crime and he's like, nope, I can't do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I find that really fascinating because he's so smart

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Speaker 2: and he's like and he also his old desire to

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Speaker 2: get back he's right now having to live like where

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Speaker 2: he's muting himself. Yeah, so he's he's like another I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying this is some zent maaster, but I thought

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Speaker 2: that was really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I just I'm so appreciative that he sat

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Speaker 3: down to talk to you about that totally.

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Speaker 2: It was great, So thank you, Gerald, I had a

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Speaker 2: great time. And uh, anytime you want to come back,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're always welcome, friend of the show, and

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Speaker 2: if you enjoyed that, I also wanted to let you

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Speaker 2: know we will make a full interview available on our website,

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Speaker 2: So check back A Ridiculous Crime you want to hear

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Speaker 2: the full interview with Gerald Blanchard Jewel Thief extraordinary. You

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime on Twitter, Instagram, now threads.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right, and.

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Speaker 2: You can email us Elizabeth at Ridiculous Crime at gmail

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Speaker 2: dot com. Somebody will get me the emails and currently

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Speaker 2: she doesn't ever see it anyway. We also have the

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Speaker 2: talkback app on iHeart, so you can uh you know,

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Speaker 2: send us with she does hear those I can attest today,

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Speaker 2: those she likes, those she likes to sun to your guys' voices.

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Speaker 2: So end of an email that you just have a

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Speaker 2: voicemail in it, I don't know, maybe should listen to

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Speaker 2: that anyway. We'll be back next to Ryan. Thanks for listening.

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