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Speaker 1: Cause media.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's James. I am just recording an introduction

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Speaker 2: for today's episode, which we recorded on Sunday night. I'm

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Speaker 2: recording this on Monday night and you will hear this

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday morning. That's Tuesday, the twenty eighth of November.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to include another ask for donations right

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Speaker 2: up front here, because we are tired, broke and sad.

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Speaker 2: I spent last night sleeping out by the migrant camp

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Speaker 2: in Nocumber, one of the camps. It was extremely cold

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Speaker 2: like and I had a good sleeping bag, right it

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Speaker 2: must have been much much worse for people have blankets.

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Speaker 2: I had a young woman completely breaking down and crying

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Speaker 2: this morning, understandably because it's terrible and people have been

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Speaker 2: there for five six days now. We ran out of

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Speaker 2: food all our distribution sites today. We just desperately need

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Speaker 2: more help and we need a much larger scale operation,

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Speaker 2: but we can't find that. So if you're able to help,

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Speaker 2: please please do. I know it's a difficult time of year.

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Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to give money that I wouldn't give.

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Speaker 2: I'm thousand plus dollars deep in this. I'm not asking

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Speaker 2: you to do things that I wouldn't do spending half

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Speaker 2: my week out there. Like I'm not just preaching something

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Speaker 2: that I am not part of. Is something I'm very

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Speaker 2: much part of. Some think it's very important to me

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Speaker 2: and it would mean a lot to me if people

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Speaker 2: could help however they can, either materially or with their time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much and I hope you enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's me James, the guy who does podcasts who

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Speaker 2: talks to you when you're driving to work, and today

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Speaker 2: on this podcast it Could Happen Here, which is about

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Speaker 2: the world falling apart and people who are putting it

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Speaker 2: back together. I am joined by two friends of mine.

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Speaker 2: We are in the desert in a Cumber at the

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Speaker 2: Cumba Hot Springs Hotel, which is open now thankfully. We've

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Speaker 2: just spent most of today and the last two months

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Speaker 2: doing mutual aid project out here. So if you guys

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Speaker 2: like to introduce yourselves in any way you think is relevant,

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Speaker 2: that would be great to start off with, and then

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Speaker 2: we can talk about what's been going on here.

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Speaker 3: I am have aal I use the them pronouns. I

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Speaker 3: live in San Diego but now currently living in Harcumber

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Speaker 3: helping out with the migrant crisis at the border.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I'm alo like alo Vera, I use she her pronouns,

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Speaker 4: And I've been doing mutual aid for a couple of

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Speaker 4: years now and recently have come into the scene of

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Speaker 4: helping with the refugee crisis at the border.

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Speaker 2: Massive thank you, Okay. So I think to start off with,

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Speaker 2: can one of you or both of you describe just

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Speaker 2: what we've seen today. I think it's very hard for

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Speaker 2: people to get a grasp of how the scale of

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Speaker 2: what's happening and how bad it is here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So today we are in the wake of a holiday

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Speaker 3: where c BP takes off, well most of them are

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Speaker 3: there's a huge backlog of people not getting picked up,

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Speaker 3: some of the highest numbers that we've seen in a

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Speaker 3: we barely made it by on peanut butter and jelly sandwich,

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Speaker 3: the world famous peanut butter.

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Speaker 2: Because we feed them they just want the sandwich.

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Speaker 1: And it was wild.

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Speaker 3: It was It's it's like the desperation is getting worse

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Speaker 3: And yeah, the desperation is real.

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Speaker 1: We saw what like three sixty I.

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Speaker 3: Think at one camp Willows and then at another camp

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Speaker 3: math is hard?

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Speaker 2: What is it open at detention site?

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Speaker 2: Oads is yacarnoon we use What does that look like?

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Speaker 4: So an opener detention center from what I've seen, is

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Speaker 4: And then because of that, all the infrastructure that we

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Speaker 4: Border Patrol, gets basically ruined. And so you have soiled

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Speaker 4: You have not enough shelters, so people are sleeping just

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Speaker 4: saying that they're not detained and that technically they're free.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is there's nowhere for them to go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously most people won't have been here. You

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Speaker 1: Then you'll get whatever their nationality is.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure the outliers get just lumped into whatever

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Speaker 3: you know. But it's interesting too, how like border patrol

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Speaker 1: Which technically they are and they can walk.

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Speaker 3: But I had a Kurdish friend that I met at

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Speaker 3: had ordered their food, yeah, and said you have to

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Speaker 3: go back with us, but finish your food here, because

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Speaker 3: imagine them walking in was being taken back with subway

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Speaker 1: So that is detention. If you can't leave, then you're

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Speaker 1: in detention. That's the debt. By definition.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, and I don't think people think

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Speaker 2: I think that maybe they would assume that, But there's

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Speaker 2: also not very many places for them to go. We

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Speaker 4: So from what I've talked to different people, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we ran out like today, I gave out everything

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Speaker 4: Sam Schultz, an amazing cook and an amazing helper for

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Speaker 2: a relatively small group of volunteers considering the scale of

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00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: the task at hand. I wonder like if you would

438
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: like talk about your volunteering experience a little bit, because

439
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 2: I think it's been great. Like it's a very diverse

440
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: group of people. We've had so many We have the

441
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 2: Schultz family who are Quakers, who are amazing, who have

442
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: been like spearheading this since the start. We have like

443
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of anarchist people, and a lot of

444
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: people from various migrant advocacy and aid groups. Uh that's

445
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: what we had the Black Panthers the other day. And

446
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: it's probably a ton of people I'm missing.

447
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, in church groups, church careers, I mean, the

448
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: whole the y C was kind of given to us

449
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 3: and I think now we're renting it to my knowledge,

450
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 3: but that was given to us by the what's the

451
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: Church of Methodist Church here in Hukumba. And then there's

452
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: a group of Mormons and they're just kind of unaffiliated

453
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 3: from the church in a way, like they're not There

454
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 3: was just a family that saw the need and some

455
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: of the elders were helping load up the beans that

456
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: they made the other day. You know from the house

457
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: that the lady that makes it, and then another lady,

458
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: Mormon lady makes us these roles and we'll just like

459
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: give us like hundreds and hundreds of bread rolls, which

460
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: everybody loves, even the volunteers.

461
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: I've been eating the bread home made rolls. Yeah, it's

462
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: super good.

463
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: So that Yeah, like you said, mutual ad groups, anarchists,

464
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 3: just individuals. Random people will show up they heard it.

465
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 3: We had a couple of people show up that heard

466
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: it on National, NPR, KPBS, and you know, then they

467
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: orgs border kindness. I'll look, Gelato will come out here

468
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: and send volunteers and whatnot. But it's hard to really

469
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: rely on volunteers. Like we have a sign up sheet

470
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: and everything so we can kind of gauge what the

471
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: day is going to be like.

472
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: But sometimes people don't show up, and.

473
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: Sometimes especially around the holiday times, it gets really thin

474
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: because everybody's got their own lives and things to do.

475
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 3: And but yeah, I mean I started volunteering just on

476
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: my weekends when I was working full time at my

477
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: dead end job back at home in San Diego, and

478
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: I would you know, saw the need. I was down

479
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 3: at Whiskey eight in San di Sidro pretty much every

480
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: day after work and.

481
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: On the weekends.

482
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: And then when they started doing street releases at IRIS

483
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: station in San Diego. I would just be there full

484
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: time and on my weekends, just be there until in

485
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: death and Haitian Bridge started showing up and kind of

486
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: took in Detention Resistance and they kind of took over

487
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: that scene, and so the need was like, oh, Jakamba

488
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: needs help, so I just would come. After that, I

489
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: just started coming out here every weekend from I would

490
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: get off on a Thursday at like two pm, take

491
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: care of my cats at home for a second, then

492
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: drive out, help out whatever I could by the time

493
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: I got here, spend the night somehow either I never

494
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 3: had to sleep in my car, but I would be

495
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 3: ready to, and then I have some friends here that

496
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: would put me up for the night and stay Thursday

497
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: night to Friday, work all day Friday and all day

498
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: Saturday until I had to go home because I worked

499
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: at five am on Sunday. And then all that week

500
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: I would just be at wait going down after work.

501
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: And so I haven't had a day off since this

502
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: really started. I mean, I think I got the flu

503
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: for a week five days right am. I had a

504
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: fever four or five fucking days in a row, which

505
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: is horrible, but so not really a day off.

506
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: Technically, but yeah.

507
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: And then I since I had been coming out here

508
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: every weekend and dedicating my time to Hukumba and had

509
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: so many ties with like the locals and I know,

510
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: the people who own the hotel out here that we

511
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: are currently at, and just you know, showed face and

512
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: it showed a strong worth work ethic, I guess to

513
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: help feed these people, and the passion of you know,

514
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: and the amount of care that I gave and attention

515
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 3: to these people and listening to them and the Schultz

516
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: family who are like the main on the ground people.

517
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: Since day one, We're like, yeah, this this person needs

518
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: to be out here. We want to have all out

519
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: here full time and all Lochlado got a grant to

520
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: UH to basically fund that, and so once that money

521
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: came through, I just took a sabbatical from my nine

522
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 3: to five and I was like, peace, I got more

523
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: important things.

524
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: Do you think give Jeff Bezos more money? You know?

525
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: So he needs more yachts clearly?

526
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly?

527
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah and more space trips you know.

528
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

529
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: So yeah.

530
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: So ever since then, I've just you know, I'm lucky

531
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: enough to have that, and you know, showed that, you know,

532
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: dedication to where I can be out here, and I

533
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: honestly like some people may think like, oh, because I'm

534
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 3: getting paid, I'm a boss or I'm a lead, and

535
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: like to me, it's like, no, we're all leading and

536
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: I'm still just doing the same work. I'm just now

537
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: able to be here well on payroll forty eight hours

538
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: a week, but in reality it's ten hour days, eight

539
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: days a week.

540
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: It's all the time. And like, yeah, I think it's

541
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: really important that people know actually that we have a

542
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: very veryverque group. It's not like everybody is necessarily like

543
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: committed to horizontal organizing is a bill and endule, but

544
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: that's how we operate and it works really well.

545
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially Sam and the Quakers, they're very good at

546
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: listening to the American Friends Society.

547
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it works so well. Like when I was

548
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: just thinking the other day, I was out here and

549
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: it was the day before the holiday, and first of all,

550
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: we had this moment where this lady pulled up and

551
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: she was like, hey, who's in charge. We were all

552
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: like everyone's in charge, and the lady was like what

553
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: how does that? How did you then? But then like

554
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: another time, we had a bit of a crisis we

555
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: ran out of balls when we're trying to feed people,

556
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: and like one of us came up with yeah, and

557
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: the ziplock back yeah we made. So we were like,

558
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: we didn't have bowls, we had sandwiches, So we gave

559
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: them a sandwich and then took the zip block back

560
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: back and filled it with beans. And like, you know,

561
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't the person who'd been here for the longest

562
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: or done the most sessions, but it was a great

563
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: idea and it got us out of a difficult situation.

564
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: And like, I think, because we organize with respect for

565
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: each other, we can listen to each other and incorporate

566
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: those ideas. And you had something to say.

567
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I just I want to highlight the community

568
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 4: that I've seen built here. I know that in terms

569
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 4: of nine hich organizing, I I personally have seen you know,

570
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: everyone step up and lead, even people who are there

571
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: their first day. Right if there is a task to

572
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: be done and they say they know how to do

573
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: it and they have a good idea, they're leading it,

574
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: They're spearheading it. There is you know, there's no second

575
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: guessing or egos that I've seen, at least not to

576
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: such a degree that it's been harmful, and I think

577
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: that that has given us a lot of power and

578
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: has allowed sort of our creativity to get us through this.

579
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 4: I think it's a testament to what non hierarchical organizing

580
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: means and how you know, lack of hierarchy and lack

581
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: of a dedicated leader doesn't mean a lack of leadership.

582
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: I think it falls on all of us to lead.

583
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 4: It falls on all of us to bring what we

584
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: know to the table, whether that be from the experience

585
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: that we've had coming here and working here and knowing

586
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: the details and the minutia of what's going on specifically

587
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: here in Hakumba with this project, or what we bring

588
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: to the table from our past experiences. And I think

589
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 4: that that has really beautifully coalesced into a really efficient

590
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: system as best as we can do, as best as

591
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: we can manage. You know, we've really made do and

592
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: kept people alive in a huge way.

593
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think kept people alive is right, Like

594
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: if if I don't know how this would have gone

595
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: down if we weren't here, because I don't know if

596
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: they would have kept doing it, but certainly more people

597
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: would have been very unwell or passed away like, I

598
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: think we can all think of a different medical emergency

599
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: where we've had to intervene to stop it getting much worse.

600
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like just last week, I think, did you come

601
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: out the day after something rained on all of us

602
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: and there was like a heavy downpour.

603
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: We weren't even ready.

604
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: We thought it was, oh, it might be like a

605
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: little drizzle or it might be light rain here, and

606
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: they're scattered. But then we set up and we're cooking

607
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: and getting ready for to do lunch or after breakfast

608
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: and getting ready to do our dinner and stuff, and

609
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: it just started downpouring on us. And I was driving

610
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: and I told you, oh, yeah, you showed up that

611
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: day and literally like we inter as we got to

612
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: we were like, oh fuck, we got to like move now.

613
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: So we just got all the ponchos that we had

614
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of ponchos, got them all in the car,

615
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: drove to the first camp that we had fed that morning,

616
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: and we're just started handing out ponchos as the rain's

617
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: coming down. They're walking in as you know, the coyotes

618
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: dropped them off and that's a long hike had the

619
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: Moon camp from where they end up to where they

620
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: break in the wall is thirty minute.

621
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: Walk, yeah, so or so.

622
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: And so they are arriving in the pouring rain, their

623
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: socks are getting wet. It is super cold, especially at

624
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: Moon because of the location. It's just ridiculously cold, and

625
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: that's like case for hypothermia. And we're there to you know,

626
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: to stop them from getting so wet. We're giving them

627
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: trash bags for their bags, ponchos for their being their persons.

628
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: I remember seeing this little girl, she must have been

629
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: like five or six. And then we had cardboard and

630
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: because we didn't think it was going to be so

631
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: pouring before we when we loaded up the van and

632
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: we had cardboard to keep you know, the ground drive

633
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: for them to like lay on in their tents or whatever.

634
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: And people took the cardboard out of the van and

635
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: we're like blocking the rain and shielding this little child

636
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: from getting wet, you know. And it's super windy at

637
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: Moon too, at that camp. It's the location. It gets

638
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the the wind from uh whatever that passes, Yeah,

639
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: it comes up from Yeah.

640
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

641
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: I think anything you said, which we should probably touch on,

642
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: it's like perhaps it's because of the way we organize,

643
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: because we don't have like strict rolls jobs or low

644
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: leadership things. But like you'd mentioned it before, but like

645
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten, we end up doing things

646
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: with people know people right, Like the other day, I know,

647
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: like a Kurdish guy and I set up a ton

648
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: of tents, Colombian dude, and I built this amazing shelter

649
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: and it wasn't for hit and his family, it was

650
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: for anyone who needed it.

651
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: I definitely have seen that sort of collaboration with the migrants,

652
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: and I feel like it doesn't feel like charity. It

653
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: feels like mutual aid. And on top of that, when

654
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: I'm hearing from them, you know they you know, they're

655
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 4: helping us out. But then on top of that, they're saying,

656
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to get processed and I'm coming back, I'm helping,

657
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: and I'm have you been in touch with anyone who

658
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: is who has come back yet?

659
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah.

660
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Actually, like early on in IRIS, when I was doing IRIS,

661
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: there was like a few people that were staying a

662
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: few days before they traveled onward and they just wanted

663
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: to be around and help. There was also a dude

664
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: we just called him Columbia because he was from Columbia,

665
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: it's kind of that nickname stuck and he stuck around.

666
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: I mean he got sponsored by pretty much loosely sponsored

667
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: by one of the organizers that was helping out of

668
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: Wa and he stuck around. He came out to Ukumba

669
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of times. He killed it on everything he did,

670
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: cooking dishes, whatever, you know, cleaning up whatever. He just

671
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: he just saw that need. And yeah, I mean I've

672
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 3: been in contact with a couple of people that said

673
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: they would come out, and you know, I don't pressure them.

674
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: I don't and a A I wanted pressure them to

675
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 3: come out because they came here for you know, better

676
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: life and all that. But at the same time, it's

677
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 3: just hard to get back to some people because I've

678
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: given them brought to way too many Kurdish people to

679
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: get back to everyone on WhatsApp and that's you know,

680
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: I got signal, I got regular text.

681
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: And then whatsappened That kind of gets buried.

682
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: So, yeah, there was some Afghan folks out here in September.

683
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: A few Afghan folks who would come out. I think

684
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 2: they had arrived either in May or but perhaps earlier.

685
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: But there were some afcron folks who came out and

686
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: we're able to help us. Of course, like it's great

687
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: because we don't all have all the languages we need

688
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: and we don't have all the skills we need, and

689
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: so the more people we can incorporate, even if temporarily

690
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: well they're here, then like the better we can help people,

691
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: right right.

692
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, I mean, but I think definitely

693
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: the the the vibe is there that they want to

694
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: come help. And yeah, like the other day I was feeding.

695
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: We're doing a hot dinner and we set up and everything,

696
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 3: and then all these Kurdish people because I you know,

697
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: will wear this caffee like a like a scuff yeah,

698
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: with the scarf that that you gave me, uh all

699
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: the way from Comishla, and so they recognize it.

700
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: And then I know the saying is bji.

701
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: Kredistan when you know you're from Turkey, oh you Kurdish

702
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: because most of the people from Turkey are Kurdish, not

703
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: all the most, And so you know, we'll start talking

704
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: and then you know, they get all excited and then

705
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: they would just want to help, you know. And I

706
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: think even regardless of if I said that or not,

707
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: or had the scarf on, they would still just want

708
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: to help.

709
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: Remember one time I was surrounded.

710
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: It was just me serving one of the things, because

711
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: we'll serve multiple things water like a soup, and then

712
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: a rice or a bread or whatever, and then maybe

713
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: some hand wipes or something, and so we just had

714
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: it was just me in the middle, surrounded my Kurdish people,

715
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: and I remember the dude next to me.

716
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: It was just like someone videotape.

717
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we Krittish people help really well, tell the world,

718
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: you know.

719
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like even yeah, when we're not doing food,

720
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: So it's like guys will often come up to me

721
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, do you have bin bags? We'd

722
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: like to clean up. We'd like it's a mess here

723
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: and we'd like to clean up.

724
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're unloading every time I'm loading, Like that's its

725
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: cellphone charging station. I want, Like it doesn't matter, you

726
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: know what nationality. Someone is there to help, They're like, oh,

727
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: can I grab the table? Can I do this? How

728
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: can I plug this in? A lot of times are

729
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: plugging and I'm like, no, I got this a certain way.

730
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: I like to plug this all in that makes sense

731
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: and relatively high risk activity. I don't want any electrocution or.

732
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: Like the other day I was chopping some stuff with

733
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: an axe and guy wanted to help, and I was say,

734
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: look if I hurt myself and I can get to hospital.

735
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: If you hurt yourself, it's going to be a rough.

736
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: That could have been a stick it out.

737
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: He might purpose hurt himself at.

738
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: That point he had his whole family. Yeah, but yeah,

739
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: we build shelters, and like, some people are really good

740
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: at that, and they're good at tying knots, and they're

741
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: good at seeing things at three D and some people

742
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: are not. So like, often just get a team of

743
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 2: people who can help, and then you'll get a team

744
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: of people who need shelter. So we'll just career to

745
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: round building shelters for people. And it's fun. Like it

746
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: can't I'm sure it's not a very stimulating environment out there,

747
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: you know. So being engaged in a talk, completing stuff

748
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: and helping people, I'm sure he's rewarding.

749
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: Or like, yeah, even tonight we had a dude from

750
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: Turkey who just like was holding his head. Tia one

751
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: of our local residents. She lives around here. Medically, she's

752
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: doesn't have a whole lot of medical experience other.

753
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: Than being a mother or a grandmother.

754
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: And working in as a pharmacy tech and knowing a

755
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: little bit about it and learning and being super badass.

756
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: She came to me and she's like, look, this guy

757
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: has a headache, he's a migraine and he has medication

758
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: from TV. So this is obviously like an ongoing situation.

759
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: And my eyes were her just from all the smoke, yeah,

760
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: the fires that they were starting in the area, and

761
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: he's just sitting there holding his head, clearly, just absolutely miserable.

762
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: So she took him in her car just to like

763
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: give some heater and to warm them up and to

764
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: try to make him feel better, get him away from

765
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: the smoke. And she's like, yo, we got to get

766
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: this guy. He's here traveling alone from Turkey. He doesn't

767
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: have anybody. So we went and found some more and

768
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: I think he was Kurdish as well. We went and

769
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: found another Turkish person or Kurdish person from Turkey, and

770
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: I grabbed this person and I was like, hey, I

771
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: have somebody here who has a gnarly migraine and they

772
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: just they need their heir alone.

773
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: They don't have shelter they need.

774
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: And so this guy came over and talked to him

775
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 3: and was like look, I got we got a tent

776
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: over here, come camp with us. Like that's the kind

777
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: of shit that we have to deal with, you know

778
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: what I mean, Just like the migrants will like getting

779
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: a migrant to help another migrant, you know, it's just

780
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: like it's community. That's what like mutual aid is about.

781
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: I think that and that specific situation, I had been

782
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: talking to the group that took him in. I'd been

783
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 4: talking with them and chatting with him, and I sat

784
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: by the fire with them just talking about you know,

785
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 4: what was your experience like, and trying to get warm

786
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: because God, it's cold out there, even for us volunteers,

787
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: and you know, we're far away from the fires, and

788
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: it's really hard because you know, this road is cleared

789
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: and so there's you know, there's no warmth out there

790
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: by where they have to stand to get food. But

791
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: what I what I wanted to highlight was that because

792
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: we are interacting with these people as equals, because we

793
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 4: are coming here and seeing them as people, and we

794
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: spend the time to talk with them and to build

795
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: commune with them, we can build those connections which allow

796
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: people like the gentleman with the migraine to you know,

797
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: be taken in and to have you know, basically a

798
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: temporary family while he's there and make sure that he's

799
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: taken care of. And that's I think something that really

800
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: highlights the strength of this type of organization and this

801
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: type of work, type of you know, the way that

802
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 4: our politics, the way that our ideals really shine in

803
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 4: this kind of setting.

804
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right. Like I've been around a lot of

805
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: humanitarian crises and you know, refuse situations, and I think

806
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: we're doing it really excellent. Do you have a stectually

807
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: Given the minimal funding and and sort of scale of

808
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: access to resources we have, we could do a lot

809
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: more if we had a lot more money, but we don't.

810
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: You know, we're cooking on like a fucking burners us. Yeah, bro,

811
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: we took up to a propaneting that's made out of

812
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: an old cag that's just like if you turn it

813
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: on wrong and let the gas bleed, you will blow

814
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: yourself up. So it's just like like Sam shuw is

815
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: you know, responsible for everybody at the youth center where

816
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: we do stuff. So he doesn't really like other people cooking,

817
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: does it. I mean, even though I know how to

818
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: do it, He's like doesn't even like me doing it

819
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 3: because he's responsible for me if anything were to happen.

820
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: So it's like our capacity is super limited. We don't

821
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: have enough burners, we don't have enough containers. We have

822
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: a couple one really nice like locking containers that hold

823
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 3: hot food and keep the food hot, but not enough

824
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: to serve upwards of six hundred people at all three camps,

825
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: and not enough vans, like it would be ideal, like

826
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: in my situation to send a van that has charging

827
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: capabilities to charge everybody's cell phone, to feed everybody, to

828
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: give them water and all their needs, blankets, medical to

829
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 3: each camp all at once.

830
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Instead of us driving, it's.

831
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: Cooking a massive amount of food of the UTH center

832
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: and hoping we have enough to hit all three camps.

833
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: Because the numbers we can try to call border patrol

834
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: offices and get numbers, but the numbers are always a

835
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: little skewed or just off, you know, or sometimes lately

836
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 3: they have just been straight up not giving us the

837
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: fucking numbers, like being dicks, especially uh Campo Border Patrol Office,

838
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: which because we deal with two different Campo takes care

839
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: of the Boulevard open air detention site and then the boulevard.

840
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: Border Patrol takes care of the willows.

841
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: In the moon camp in a kumba and.

842
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: Straight up the boulevard Port of Patrol called Campo Nazis.

843
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: Like they treat their employees like Nats. They're just Nazis,

844
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 3: and I've seen it in fact.

845
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like we have to interact with board

846
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: Patrol a lot to get people the help that they need, right,

847
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, they're definitely some cases where like there

848
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: have been certain people who are much like they they

849
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 2: the agent I spoke to today for a Border Pol agent,

850
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: he was very accommodating. He took the person who was

851
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: in medical distress and their partner, He drove them himself

852
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: to where they could be ms and ensure that the

853
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: pretunity they go to hospital, Like I don't have a

854
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: whole lot of knowledge what happened afterwards that we don't have.

855
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: We're not entitled to their private medical information and not

856
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: should we be. But like other times, it could be

857
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: much harder. So it's just luck of the drawer, right,

858
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Like we there's so much we don't control, I guess, yeah,

859
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: and like we don't know exactly, Like we can't control

860
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: who goes when, who has the highest level of knee

861
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: you know, like constantly people will be coming up to

862
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: me and being like, hey, like today I was warming

863
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: up milk for babies in my camping stuff, right, and

864
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: it was three or four babies, and they were like,

865
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: do you think they'll take us first? We have babies,

866
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: And like I think most of the people there would

867
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: rather give up their space and let that baby go

868
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: out because no one wants to see a fucking baby

869
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: shivering out there like it's fucked, it's terrible, but we

870
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: don't know, and we can't tell you and we can't

871
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: help you, and so like a lot of that stuff's

872
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: outside of our control. But the stuff that's within our control,

873
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: I think we've done a really good job of I

874
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: wonder like if people are listening. I think I just

875
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: want to convey that we're all just weird, like a

876
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: group of like we're not like Ragca extremely like Motley Crewe,

877
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: and but we're really doing excellent work. I think if

878
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: it may blow our trumpet, but like if people want

879
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: to come and help, first of all, I would like

880
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: you probably can. People think that they can't, they don't

881
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: have anything useful, Like I promise you do, Like if

882
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: you can, if you can like lift a ladle or

883
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: like a palette of water bottles, or drive a vehicle, or.

884
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: Multiple multiple languages, sometimes it's like yeah you want or

885
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: even just right, or even just one language other than English,

886
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: because I mean even some people speak perfectly English out there,

887
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: and so just going out there and paying attention to them,

888
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: even if you don't have the capacity to cook food

889
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: or to serve food or whatever, if you can go

890
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: talk to people and you're sociable and you can make

891
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 3: connections and listen to their needs. And you know, there's

892
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 3: Google Translate, there's we have a list of translators, like

893
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: a form with numbers, so if you have a language barrier,

894
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: you can just call start calling down the line of

895
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: numbers of Mandarin or this language or that language, and

896
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: you can get I got a hold of somebody one

897
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: time for Mandarin to figure out how many days they

898
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: had been there, and it was like called a couple

899
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: of people, first no answer, and then finally someone picked up,

900
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: and so it's yeah, you know, anybody, there's always you

901
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 3: could always find something. Honestly, one thing that I make doing,

902
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: which when I first started coming out here, we had

903
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: a little bit more volunteers, especially I was coming out

904
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: on the weekends, when weekends typically we have more volunteers

905
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: because people have jobs in the weekdays, and week days

906
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: we have less. But I was when I first started

907
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 3: coming out to Hookumba on the weekends, I started bringing

908
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: my guitar and my bongos and my you know, different instruments, tambourines,

909
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: and I we gave out all the instruments to the

910
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: migrants at night while we were giving them dinner to

911
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: they were around the campfire and so that they can

912
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: play and enjoy themselves and lift their spirits and so

913
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: like that would be rad to have somebody on spot

914
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: all the time with a guitar and like jamming with

915
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: the migrants and lifting their spirits because it's they're miserable.

916
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 3: And one dude from Muzbekistan once sold me. Spoke really

917
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: good English, and in fact he told me about there's

918
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 3: like commercials and so he.

919
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Worked at like a center where they send people over here.

920
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: Wow.

921
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he was on the call center or whatever

922
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: for it or something like that.

923
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: But well, I was like, well, like how was it?

924
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 3: Like I he was like, honestly, we're just bored. Yeah,

925
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: they're just waiting and at that time, like the weights

926
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: were like four or five days. You know, it changes,

927
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: it vary as it goes from two to three to

928
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: four or five, and the dissensions and sometimes they get

929
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: out the same day if they're lucky. But yeah, it

930
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: was just we're bored and we're just waiting and they're anxious,

931
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: and which also just tears at their spirit while they're

932
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: you know, their first day in America, you know.

933
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, like welcome to America, sleeping with jesseet.

934
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: It's like just above freezing.

935
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's no blankets, no structures, no anything, no food,

936
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 3: no water. If your lucky, Border patrol will bring crackers

937
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: and water for not enough people.

938
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, a bunch of US waiters turn up

939
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: with blankets and that's it.

940
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

941
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 4: And I know that even if it's you know, I

942
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: try and include other people. But even just like I

943
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: go out there with my guitar sometimes and there's a

944
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: lull and or we're waiting to pack up or whatever,

945
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: and I'll be playing and I think the little moments

946
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: like that mean everything for these folks. And I know

947
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: that I've you know, I'll bring up that I have,

948
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 4: you know, on a day that I don't have my guitar,

949
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: I'll bring up that I play it and the migrants

950
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: will be all excited, wanting me to bring it out

951
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 4: or wanting me to to you know, whatever the activity

952
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 4: may be, just to to stimulate, you know, their minds

953
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 4: a little bit. I mean, this is it's it's really

954
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 4: bleak and being there for for days, for just stuck

955
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: in the desert with nothing to do, right, And I

956
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: mean sometimes, you know, I've seen a soccer ball out

957
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: there that the kids play with, and that's that's so

958
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: heartwight warming. Things like that that really, you know, we

959
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: want these people to feel like they can still be

960
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: in community with each other like they're not. And I

961
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: feel like things like that really.

962
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: Help to.

963
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 4: Repair that sense of desperation, because right now, with the

964
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 4: level of desperation, we do see a lot of fighting

965
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: for some applies, a lot of fighting for resources because

966
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: it's it's hard. It's hard out there. People want to

967
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: make sure that their kids have blankets. People are so

968
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: cold they can't sleep, And I feel like things that

969
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: bring them together, activities that really make them feel like

970
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: a community out there and help us feel in community

971
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: with them, allows us to have a more cohesive relationship

972
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: and allows things to go more smoothly. And I think it's,

973
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: you know, in some cases, more important than the supplies themselves,

974
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: because it makes sure that they go to the right places.

975
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: It helps us triage, it helps us, you know, it's

976
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 4: its own tool for survival.

977
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: It could distract them from their suffering, you know, if

978
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: they can have an ounce of joy, you know, and

979
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: this horrible condition, in these horrible conditions, that it'll distract

980
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: them enough to smile and to laugh and to not

981
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: be miserable.

982
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a normal moment. Yeah. So I wonder

983
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: if people want to help, what are the ways that

984
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: they can help.

985
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: Ways it can help are are coming out here directly,

986
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: hands on the ground.

987
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Money donating money.

988
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: Is another huge need because a lot of the supplies

989
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: that we need cost money.

990
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: We need a new kitchen, we need, you know, a.

991
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: Dishwashing station because we're currently just dumping all of our

992
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: dish washing water into a lawn that has a small drain. Yeah,

993
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 3: and yeah, a Loolato is one organization that takes money

994
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: that you can donate to. Border Kindness is another one. Yeah,

995
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: I know, Detention Resistance is out here. A lot the

996
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: most direct way to is would be donating directly to

997
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Sam Schultz himself. So yeah, and just you know, following

998
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: those same organizations, they're a free shit. Color Active is

999
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: another one. They mostly focus on W eight. But this

1000
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: is all related, right, Like I we had this man

1001
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: from Turkey who came with his dog Bom bomb or

1002
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: bam bam like he said flintstones, but they say bomb bomb,

1003
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: I guess. And he was stuck in one of the camps,

1004
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: and so you know, we like took his dog because

1005
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: he was not going to be taken from the camp.

1006
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: He spent the night alone because they had enough room

1007
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: for him. They's like, they don't know how to process

1008
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: a fucking dog, I guess. So we took his dog

1009
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: for him and so he could get processed. And once

1010
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: he ended up out of detention at Central, which is

1011
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 3: where they released them, we reunited his dog with him.

1012
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: Very emotional on both sides of the separation.

1013
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: And the reuniting. So you know, there's all these organizations.

1014
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: You can you know, volunteer down in Central at the

1015
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: when they release you can you know there's and so yeah,

1016
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: but following all these accounts sharing the stories, you know

1017
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: what I mean on your social media, be it Twitter,

1018
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: all re call it the other thing or you know, Instagram, Facebook,

1019
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: whatever your media is. Discord YadA YadA.

1020
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even sharing my stories is really powerful.

1021
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: People could translate, they can reach out, they want to

1022
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: do that. I looked up the r L it's for

1023
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: border Kindness. It's link tr dot e e slash border Kindness,

1024
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: and for it's altlado a l O t r O

1025
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: l a d o dot org slash donate And.

1026
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: They pay me to be out here, so please don't

1027
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: it to them.

1028
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, help them and border kindas. Jackie and James

1029
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: are great, They're always out here.

1030
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: It's either one is wonderful.

1031
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: I also wanted to highlight the lovely mutual aid groups

1032
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: that do a lot of work. There's not as many

1033
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 4: of them directly putting their efforts out here, but I

1034
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: know that they have helped me work out here and

1035
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 4: make sure that I have the funds I need to,

1036
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: you know, do little store runs that are necessary on

1037
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: a on a moment's notice at times because we we

1038
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: run out of something and we can't wait for a

1039
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: bulk order supply and the you know, there there are

1040
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 4: these mutual aid groups. You know, they they put in

1041
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: the work to reimburse folks when we do things like that,

1042
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: when we have to go make runs because we can't

1043
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: bulk order, we can't do it the most efficient way

1044
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 4: because we have a need right now. And that has

1045
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: saved us in a lot of different moments, especially I

1046
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 4: used to volunteer down at W eight in Sandy Cidro

1047
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: and that was the primary way that we got resources

1048
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: was through these mutual aid groups who who fundraised and

1049
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 4: and I yeah, I just wanted to highlight them and

1050
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: highlight the So there's the Rose Cute Collective. I know

1051
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: that they do a lot of fundraising. I know that

1052
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: you were saying free Ship, Free Shit Collective. Yeah. Uh,

1053
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: there's a few Freestore SD Yeah, there's a there's a

1054
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 4: few different ones who you know, their funds help keep

1055
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: us running, especially in the hardest of times right now.

1056
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're all broke.

1057
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 4: We're so broke, we have no money, have any money.

1058
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm on the migrant diet because I'm broke, and I'm

1059
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: just eating the food that we feed them when there's leftovers.

1060
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we've been a lot of peb and j

1061
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: and beans help us, help us feed ourselves and that

1062
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: was wonderful. Thank you so much. Yeah, everyone listening to

1063
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: you do.

1064
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: Name, thank you.

1065
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and come down here. If someone came from San

1066
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: Francisco in May, come back, Like there are places you

1067
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: can stay are in the desert if you want to

1068
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: come and help. But even if you have language skills

1069
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: like we there were so many ways you can help.

1070
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: Come down. I've always had a place to stay, even

1071
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: though I like, like of all I've I've always been

1072
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 4: ready to sleep in my van, but always had a

1073
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 4: spot to say, come down. It's you know, it's worth it.

1074
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: It's there's a vortex that's not coming they called the

1075
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: locals call it, call it of vortex. You know. You

1076
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 4: you come here and it's like every past lifetime has

1077
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 4: has been here and you're destined to be here. There's

1078
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 4: something special about this town and I've really fallen in

1079
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 4: love with it since coming.

1080
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I hope we'll be boogum. It would mean

1081
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: a lot to me if like we could do something

1082
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: cool and like further support something that's very important to

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