1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live to New York, Cloomberg eleventh Rio to Washington, 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: d C, Bloomberg N one to Boston, Bloomberg twelve one 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: to San Francisco, Bloomberg nine sixty to the country, Serious 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Exam Channel one nine and around the globe the Bloomberg 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: Radio Plus Appen Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Surveillance. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm kmerin Moscow along with Tom Keene and 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: Michael McKee and the opening dewal brought to you by 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: s e I Imagine, a global operating platform designed to 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: deliver a differentiated and technologically rich investor experience. 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Coll mex School Little 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: changed at twelve seventy four forty announced the euro a 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: dollar thirty five the end one oh nine point to four. 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Tom and Mike, Michael, it is the French concession, not 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: the French connection, the French concession of eighteen forty nine. 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: And it is at the beginning of this extraordinary book. 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: And I say that, Michael, because none other than Peter 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: Hessler oracle Bones, says, shut up and read this book. 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: And that's an important thing because young Hessler, who I 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: think I've interviewed three times, changed younger nonfiction, single handily 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: changed the language with oracle Bones about a decade ago. 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Which is a good way to start here. Well. Rob 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: Schmitz is a China correspondent for American Public Media's Marketplace, 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: and uh he did something very interesting. He uh he 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: went in Shanghai is a big story in China, in China. Business. 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: My daughter was just there actually on business has to 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: go a couple of times a year. Your son works there, 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: so uh, cash flow lives there. It is front and 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: center for this program. Uh, Rob went and Uh immersed 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: himself in one small part of the city that sort 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: of tells the story of the massive changes that have 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: come to Shanghai. Now, Um, in English, we would call 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: it mangle, you mangle the language, but I'll try this. 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: Changolu is the street uh in Chinese. But as the 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: title of your book is, the Street of Eternal Happiness, 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: is how it translates. That's right, that's right, Thank you 46 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: so much for having me on, by the way, But yeah, 47 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: it's in Chinese. It's called chongola Lu, which is Long 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: Happiness Road, otherwise known as a Street of Eternal Happiness. 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: What did you find on Changu? Well? What I found? Well, 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: first of all, I live on that street, so I 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: had done an actually had a pizza place, I found 52 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: a place do my clothes. But I live on that 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: street in Shanghai. And I did a year long radio 54 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: series from marketplace Uh. And while I was doing this series, 55 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: I realized, you know, this this material that I'm I'm 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: getting because basically a series was focusing on everyday people 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: who live and work on a single street in China's 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: big as city, and I wanted to figure out how 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: these folks were coping with all the economic change that's 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: happening in China the twenty one century. How they see 61 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: themselves in in China and what is there all? What 62 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: are their dreams? Because a lot of them have already 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: gotten to the point where they've made money and they're 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: looking elsewhere for their dreams. And so after meeting a 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: lot of them, I decided why this you know, a 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: lot of the drama that that that I captured in 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: the series, I thought this will make a really interesting 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: book because a lot of their stories weren't really local stories. 69 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: There weren't really stories about this one street or even 70 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: the city, but they were pretty universal because a lot 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: of these folks have connections not only throughout China but 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: throughout the world. They so they're sort of like us. 73 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot like us, you know, 74 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people. Um, you know. 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I think that when we see the headlines from China, 76 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: it's it's very easy to to see China as the 77 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: other right, you know, we see the Party, for example, 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: because they dominate a lot of the news that comes 79 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: out of China. But I think that the people of 80 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: China are very very similar to the people of the 81 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: United States. They have a very they feel very secure 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: about their country. The very patriotic um they are. They 83 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: don't they travel a little, but they you know, they 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: you know sometimes when they go abroad they go in groups, 85 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and uh, you know, they also have 86 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: a really good sense of humor and uh and then 87 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: and they're they're great people. It was just joining a 88 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: street of eternal happiness, big city dreams along as single 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: Shanghai road. Um. Rob Schmidt's is with us? Your chapter 90 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Box of Letters is borderline heartbreaking. Uh. The idea of 91 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: the Cultural Revolution. I believe we're at the fifties anniversary 92 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: that if the people of the street recovered and the 93 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: descendants recovered from the most difficult and challenging moment, Tom, 94 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever recover from something like that. Um. 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: You know, the people that are in the in their 96 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: sixties China, they grew up during this era, and they 97 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: grew up either as Red Guards punishing other people, bullying 98 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: other people, or they were victims of the Red Guards 99 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: being tortured, being bullied, being bullied because they had an 100 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: object that was deemed a boot, you know, a bourgeois 101 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: or bourgeoisie, right, and these folks grew up also without 102 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: any sort of education because schools were closed during that 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: time because they were going after teachers as well. And 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: so every single career decision that these folks had up 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: until the point where they were about thirty or four 106 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: years old was made for them by the Party. And 107 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: so when we had to reform and opening in China, 108 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, with dun Shaw paying in late eighties and 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: early nineties, when when capitalism started to kind of seep 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: into China, these folks were really lost. And there's one 111 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: character in my book, Auntie Fou, who gets caught up 112 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: in this range of pyramid schemes and she takes me 113 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: to all these investment beings for these ridiculous pyramid schemes 114 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: where she's obviously getting scammed and I'm trying to make 115 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: sure that she gets out of these things, but she's 116 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: dumping her pension into it. But the thing is she 117 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: sees her surroundings as, look, I'm in the middle of 118 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the wealthiest city in China. Why aren't eye wealthy? What's 119 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: wrong with me? But she was really never taught to 120 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: do that because she was basically ordered around for most 121 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: of her life. Well, it raises a question of how 122 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: people uh cope with the rapid change that's happened in China. 123 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the United States grower to the world's largest 124 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: economy over a longer period of time, and a lot 125 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: of external events like World War Two played a big 126 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: role in China. It's internal and it's very quick. It's 127 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: internal and it's quick, and you know what, it's also 128 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: something that people don't like to talk about. They don't 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: like to reckon with that history. So when you talk 130 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: to folks about, for example, at the time of the 131 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: Great Famine, which was the four years between nineteen fifty 132 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: seven and sixty one where male Mile's goal was to 133 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: basically make China an enormous steel producing country, ended up 134 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: killing thirty six million people because they starved to death. 135 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: That's something that not only do people not talk about 136 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: that very much, but the party basically basically bands any 137 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: sort of you know, any books about it or anything 138 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: like that. But it's it's difficult to get these stories 139 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: at folks. If you had to rewrite or assist the 140 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: wonderful Jonathan Spenced with a new edition of The Search 141 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: for Modern China, what would be the chapter you would write? 142 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: I think what I would write if if I I 143 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: mean that that's that's an incredible book, and I can 144 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: never dream of writing any kind of addent in to 145 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: that book. But I think the one thing that we've 146 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: seen since the writing of that book is the era 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: of big dreams, because which is throughout your book right 148 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: right and right now, the state right, the Communist Party 149 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: under siegen Ping has the Chinese Dream, and that's an 150 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: effort to corral everyone's dream into one dream for the nation, 151 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: you know, put the party first, in your dream second. 152 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: But I think in some ways that Chinese dream was 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: a reaction to this just plethora and this range of 154 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: dreams that everyone where's that dream right now? I mean 155 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Peter Hustler's books across two three books changed trying to change. 156 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: Where's kindly going to be in two and three years? 157 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Is their formula of capitalism forever altered? I think that. 158 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I think that once this series of leaders is aged out, 159 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: because this Esa Paying is from the Cultural revolution era, 160 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: we're going to see some interesting changes in China because 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: the next generation of leaders, they are very very different 162 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: from she Pays generation. They grew up during a time 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: of prosperity. They didn't grow up during a lot of 164 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: the chaos, and they have it in their mind that 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: for them at least, that capitalism works as long as 166 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: it's regulated and and as as long as people have 167 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: rights underneath that financial system. Michael, I hate you brought 168 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: this book in here. I have to read this because 169 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: cash flow would never forgive me if I read terrific book, 170 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: Schmidt's Street of Eternal Happiness. Thanks for obviously with the 171 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: big changes coming uh for for the second EDITIONE. Thanks 172 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: regards to everybody at marketplace as well. 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