WEBVTT - Hour 1 – Shedeur Sanders Got Humbled, Joe Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>to Joe Thomas Hall of Famer at Cleveland Browns. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>join us coming up in about fifteen minutes. Lewis Riddick

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<v Speaker 2>was working the draft for the Mothership. He'll stop by

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<v Speaker 2>to three DP show we say good morning. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>streaming partner. A lot of things to dive into. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>late in the show, I'd gotten word that Jacksonville was

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<v Speaker 2>going to make a move. I didn't know what the

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<v Speaker 2>move was going to be, and I thought, if they're

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<v Speaker 2>trading up, who are they trading up for? Or if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody is going to trade with them and they fall

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit in the draft, what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen with Jacksonville. I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you can say that the draft did start

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<v Speaker 2>with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number

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<v Speaker 2>two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently they didn't have much contact with Travis Hunter prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the draft, and I think he was surprised. But

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<v Speaker 2>I give Jacksonville credit because you do have a quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and now you've got a curiosity there a two way

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<v Speaker 2>player your show. Heyo Tani of sorts. I'm still confused

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<v Speaker 2>here because we had Daniel Jeremiah who worked the draft

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<v Speaker 2>for NFL Network and he joined us yesterday and he

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<v Speaker 2>said it was one hundred percent, one hundred percent the

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<v Speaker 2>Browns were taking Travis Hunter. And I'm thinking, okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>they take Travis Hunter, and late in the show, I

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<v Speaker 2>told you that I didn't think Shadoor Sanders was going

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round. I had heard from somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>said that they didn't think that. A scout said they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think that he was going in the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what I thought was, if he doesn't go in

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<v Speaker 2>the first round, Cleveland has the first pick today. So

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<v Speaker 2>you could take Shador Sanders today, You could have taken

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter yesterday, and then you reunite them. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>that gives Cleveland some gravitas something umph you care. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Flacco's my age and he's quarterbacking the Cleveland brown

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<v Speaker 2>Actually he's a year younger than they got it. But

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<v Speaker 2>you got Miles Garrett. I mean, what else do you

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<v Speaker 2>have here? You could have had an identity overnight with

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter and then Shador Sanders, and I think Cleveland's

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<v Speaker 2>probably taking Shador Sanders with that first pick in the

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<v Speaker 2>second round. So there were a lot of things yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm watching the draft and you would never get

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling that cam Ward was the number one overall

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<v Speaker 2>pick because while he's being selected, the Mothership and NFL

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<v Speaker 2>network went all in on the trade at number two.

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<v Speaker 2>So cam Ward was an he might be one of

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<v Speaker 2>those five ten years from now will be like Travis Hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he go number one? No, he went number two?

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<v Speaker 2>Who went number one? Uh? Oh, that's right, Cam Warren

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<v Speaker 2>because it and it felt like the I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>best player, most notable player was Travis Hunter. The second

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<v Speaker 2>most notable player was Shadoor Sanders. Those were the two

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<v Speaker 2>guys who were talked about the most. Shaudur for not

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<v Speaker 2>being drafted, got a lot of airtime, and uh he

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<v Speaker 2>talked about not being selected in the first round.

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<v Speaker 4>We all didn't expect this, of course, but I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>that this happened, you know, for no reason. All this

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<v Speaker 4>is is of course fields to the fire, and under

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<v Speaker 4>no circumstance. We all know this sin that happened, but

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<v Speaker 4>we understand we own the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's

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<v Speaker 4>the day we're gonna be happy in regardless, doesn't there?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see his draft room? He's got legendary like,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got legendary all over. It's as if the it's

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<v Speaker 2>his wallpaper. It says legendary all over his room, all

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<v Speaker 2>over everywhere. They got legendary wallpaper there. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>got humbled yesterday. He did. And if you'll go back

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<v Speaker 2>to when we had Dion on when we were at

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<v Speaker 2>the Super Bowl, it was like, are you telling teams

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<v Speaker 2>to not draft your son? And I mean there was

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<v Speaker 2>a whole big deal about he's not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>play for those teams and is he going to pull

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<v Speaker 2>an Eli Manning? But he got humbled. Although DraftKings just

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<v Speaker 2>gave me the odds here, and the team that has

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<v Speaker 2>the best odds to draft shudor Sanders is the Cleveland Browns.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the Raiders are second, and then you have the Saints, Steelers,

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<v Speaker 2>a distant fourth, tied with the Jets and the Rams. There, Yes, Todd.

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<v Speaker 6>To what extent was that arrogance, brash rumor thing you

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<v Speaker 6>think a factor in him not going to pick in

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<v Speaker 6>the first round versus that these teams just didn't want

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<v Speaker 6>him in round one?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it did have a little bit of a factor.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there were a few teams that considering him,

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<v Speaker 6>and that might have been the deciding factor. If they

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<v Speaker 6>thought he had some kind of arrogance to him, that

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<v Speaker 6>he might not be good in the locker room, then

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<v Speaker 6>just you know what, let's move on to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I haven't heard anything. I know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we've had these anonymous gms or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>scouts who have said that about him. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>told he didn't have a first round grade late yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>in the show, scout said I don't have a first

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<v Speaker 2>round grade, and he didn't waiver off of this. This

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<v Speaker 2>is also the same person who said that he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the guys who do mock drafts were

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<v Speaker 2>worried about, in his words, the smoke from not putting

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<v Speaker 2>Shad or Sanders in the first round. Getting that smoke

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<v Speaker 2>from Dion, and I think that maybe people put him

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<v Speaker 2>in there because, well, it's going to drive traffic to

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<v Speaker 2>your mock draft if you don't have shot or in

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<v Speaker 2>the first round. You know, we're in the entertainment business now.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether that's true or not, This is from a scout

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<v Speaker 2>saying that he think a lot of the guys who

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<v Speaker 2>do mock drafts put him in there just out of

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<v Speaker 2>respect for Dion Sanders. I said this before on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I had him third on my Heisman ballot. I had

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<v Speaker 2>Ashton Genty, I had Travis Hunter, and then I had Shador.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that much of him. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>kept coming back that I kept hearing was when you

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<v Speaker 2>play in the NFL, you process so much quicker. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be a challenge for him and cam

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<v Speaker 2>Ward and Jackson Dart, whoever it is. You know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these guys play in a system that is

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<v Speaker 2>really catered to making a lot of plays, completing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of passes. Shadoor was taken a lot of punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, my friend who's his scout, said he

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<v Speaker 2>holds onto the ball too long. Caleb Williams held on

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<v Speaker 2>to the ball too long. And you saw what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to him in his rookie year. Can Shador play in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL? I believe that. Do I think he's a star?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, but I had great respect for what he

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<v Speaker 2>did at Colorado. And if I'm Cleveland and I've got

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Flacco as my quarterback and Deshaun Watson somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the building, I probably would have gone all in on

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter. I've got something unique. I've got something that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody will tune in to watch. We're relevant, You're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know it's hey, let's tune in to watch

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<v Speaker 2>Miles Garrett. Okay, you start with a quarterback or a

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<v Speaker 2>skill position guy. And if I've got Travis Hunter and

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<v Speaker 2>I take Shador Sanders, I'll roll the dice on Shador's

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<v Speaker 2>a second second day draft pick. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>See, Shadur has that thing where he's a star, but

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<v Speaker 7>maybe not a star player at that level. Right, he

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<v Speaker 7>gets the attention, he's got a certain amount of charisma

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<v Speaker 7>and all of those things that you want a little.

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<v Speaker 8>Flash for a superstar. Just the question is will he

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<v Speaker 8>be a star player?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Well, how many times do we say this like

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's famous, but we don't know what they're famous for.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're famous for being famous?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, like Anna Kornakova, the tennis player, good poll. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like she was famous, but she wasn't a great tennis player.

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<v Speaker 8>So Shadur is the and a cornickle.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know. I don't want to do it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like it does it sounds I'm going to retrack that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want it taken out of contest. Yes.

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<v Speaker 9>Do you think what happened yesterday is that the Browns

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<v Speaker 9>were all set and then someone got drunk and overpaid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't. I don't know if they actually got drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>but they gave.

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<v Speaker 9>Up the fifth pick, the thirty six pick Jacksonville. They

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<v Speaker 9>gave it one hundred and thirty six pick and a

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<v Speaker 9>first rounder next year, which should be in the top fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot. If you're doing that, it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing that because you're getting somebody who puts you

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<v Speaker 2>over the top. I thought Jacksonville was going to win

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<v Speaker 2>their division last year. I don't know if they have

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<v Speaker 2>a star quarterback. I don't know if they have a

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<v Speaker 2>franchise quarterback. He gets paid to be a franchise quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>But and plus, how am I using Travis Hunter? Can

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<v Speaker 2>I use him the entire game? Is it going to

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<v Speaker 2>be more offense than defense? And this is what Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremiah said that you had Travis Hunter who was going

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<v Speaker 2>to major in offense in minor in defense, and it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like, by all accounts he could walk in day

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<v Speaker 2>one and be a Pro Bowl cornerback and maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>the same as a wide receiver. Uh seton? What's the

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<v Speaker 2>poll question for the first hour of the program, We.

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<v Speaker 8>Might as well start with that story right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Long term?

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<v Speaker 8>Who made the better move? Jaguars or Browns?

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<v Speaker 2>M Okay, all right, what else do you have?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't know if this one is fair, so

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<v Speaker 7>I guess I might as well ask it on air.

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<v Speaker 7>Shadar Sanders fell because ability or attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say ability.

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<v Speaker 8>I could also throw in another option there that says

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<v Speaker 8>his dad. But wow, all of these feel really unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not getting Dion on today? Are we probably? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you reach out Todd to Dion? Okay? Yeah, probably not

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<v Speaker 2>getting him on today. This is I'm waiting for a

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<v Speaker 2>we're keeping receipts. I'm waiting for that from Dion.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, PAULI I can't remember a draft in the last

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<v Speaker 9>ten years where the analysts were so different. Mel Kiper

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<v Speaker 9>was pounding the table literally going, this is a huge

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<v Speaker 9>mistake by about six or seven teams. A couple other

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<v Speaker 9>like serious analysts. Last night on the two different networks

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<v Speaker 9>were saying, I have Shador as my top three picks overall,

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<v Speaker 9>top quarterback, hands down. He's risk free, he's a competitor,

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<v Speaker 9>you know that. Don't worry about measurables. It's drastically different

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<v Speaker 9>the opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what amazes me. And then to have somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>I trust say that he didn't have a first round

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<v Speaker 2>grade for Shador. You're watching the same player play in

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<v Speaker 2>the same games against the same competition that everybody else is.

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<v Speaker 2>But you come away and I always use it as

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<v Speaker 2>when you go into a museum and you go look

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<v Speaker 2>at that, and then somebody will say what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Or wow, look at like if you've ever looked at

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<v Speaker 2>a Jackson Pollock painting, and then you go, who spilled

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<v Speaker 2>all this paint? Or it's man, that's a genius there,

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<v Speaker 2>or a roth go where you go that a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of million dollars, you know, So that kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>way you look at sometimes these quarterbacks. Ashton Genty, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we attached him to the Raiders a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months ago. I like what they're doing, but you got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep pace in the West. Kansas City's good. Chargers

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<v Speaker 2>got another running back. You know they're going to be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Denver was a playoff team. I like what the Raiders did.

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<v Speaker 2>We said this with Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's not there

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<v Speaker 2>to build the Raiders. He's there to win with the Raiders.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why you get Gino, who can play. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a good quarterback. I got Brock Bowers, who's awesome. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I get a great running back, and I got Max Crosby.

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<v Speaker 2>I at least have something. I always look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of these teams and you go, you know, coming up

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday night football, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you go to the Steelers and it's Cam

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<v Speaker 2>Hayward and you go, oh, that's not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have somebody that you go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna tune in and watch that guy. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Raiders have those guys. Yes.

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<v Speaker 7>When you look at Travis Hunter, right, I keep seeing

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of the question marks about him as a cornerback.

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<v Speaker 7>Everybody seems to be like he's polished, he's ready to go.

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<v Speaker 7>There seems to be way more questions of him as

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<v Speaker 7>a wide receiver. But that almost all of the like

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<v Speaker 7>you were just saying about Daniels Aremia. It's like, well

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<v Speaker 7>he's gonna major in offense and minor and defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't that feel reversed? Yes? Yeah, I was surprised at

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<v Speaker 2>that because I think he just and also, but look

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<v Speaker 2>at the pay if you look at what receivers get

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<v Speaker 2>and what DB's get. I mean, if I if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter, I'm going I think I'd like to play offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they pay a little bit or over there.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's a unicorn here. Is he going to get

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<v Speaker 2>the Is he gonna get numbers as a wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>if he's splitting time? And Drew Brees said this yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I don't want my star receiver playing defense.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want that. Like the odds of getting injured.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody gets injured if I add an extra forty plays,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've already increased the odds that my star player

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<v Speaker 2>is going to eventually get hurt.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes see, there was always that old saying that I

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<v Speaker 7>heard once about or many times about if you have

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<v Speaker 7>two quarterbacks, you don't have one. Kind of feel the

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<v Speaker 7>same way about that about Travis Hunt. If you have

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<v Speaker 7>two positions and you probably don't have one which is

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<v Speaker 7>the one that you're going to be great at, and

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<v Speaker 7>then if you're going to start doing the other one,

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<v Speaker 7>it's taking away from how good you could be at

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<v Speaker 7>the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think the Cleveland Browns made a good decision yesterday?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like maybe, so you're on the clock, cam

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<v Speaker 2>Ward's gone, Now you're on the clock. Jacksonville calls and says,

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<v Speaker 2>here you go. How would you have done?

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<v Speaker 8>I think that by taking him, you win the day.

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<v Speaker 8>But I don't know that. I feel like it's a

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<v Speaker 8>little bit of a trap.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I do.

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<v Speaker 8>I feel like it's a little I think he's a

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<v Speaker 8>great kid. I hope he does really, really well.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like it's a little bit of a trap

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<v Speaker 7>because he's he's very clear about I'm playing both positions here,

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<v Speaker 7>and almost everybody universally is like, but you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Marvin, you're on the clonk.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm Cleveland, I'm keeping my pick.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna you're gonna keep Travis Hunter. I am okay, Todd,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the clonk taking Travis hunder Paul, I'm trading.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be micromanaged and.

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<v Speaker 9>Critiqued by how I use this player both sides of

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<v Speaker 9>the ball. If you have an offensive set where he's

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<v Speaker 9>not on the field for some reason and you thrown

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<v Speaker 9>in completion, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Every week? But I want to be talked about Cleveland's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be talked about. You're not relevant. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's close with me.

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<v Speaker 9>Like I if you take him man his first five years,

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<v Speaker 9>he's probably gonna be awesome and play both ways. But

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<v Speaker 9>my bet is in five years he's at one position.

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<v Speaker 2>All I need him is for five years, yes, rookie contract,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I need to be relevant. I gotta get out

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<v Speaker 2>from underneath de Sean Watson's deal. We eventually find our quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have had Travis, I would have had Shador

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<v Speaker 2>and now all of a sudden we are relevant.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah see, but you also have to give him time

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<v Speaker 7>to get up to speed. Right, so you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 7>to survive that first half of the season. Say where

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<v Speaker 7>it's like all right, is this working, or isn't it right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you're not making the playoffs, so you do

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<v Speaker 2>have that leeway. It's like, okay, so what but people

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<v Speaker 2>will tune in to watch the Browns, Yes, Martin, all right.

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<v Speaker 10>So if he's just great at one position and margin

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<v Speaker 10>with the other, is he considered a bust because the

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<v Speaker 10>thing about him was he's a unicorn he plays both

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<v Speaker 10>sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Otani's not a great pitcher. He's a good pitcher.

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<v Speaker 2>If he doesn't pitch again, nobody's gonna say he's a bust.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Paul, I think the comp to Otani is exact.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not even like forced. When Otani decided to come

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<v Speaker 9>to a or can play MLB, he told teams I'm

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<v Speaker 9>playing both ways. A number of teams passed on him.

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<v Speaker 9>They passed, and one of the teams that said, will

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<v Speaker 9>embrace it because the Angels needed relevancy and needed star power,

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<v Speaker 9>and they said, yes, did they keep him, No, but

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<v Speaker 9>they're one of the few teams that said you can

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<v Speaker 9>play both ways.

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<v Speaker 7>For US baseball as well, also one of those games

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<v Speaker 7>that you can go innings without having to do anything.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you might not see a single ball at

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<v Speaker 7>right field, and you might not bat for this inning,

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<v Speaker 7>next inning and the whatever, and so you actually do nothing.

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<v Speaker 7>Playing both ways in baseball or doing both positions is

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<v Speaker 7>way easier than in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and with that, we'll take a break. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>last Joe Thomas, former Cleveland Brown, Well he would have

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<v Speaker 2>done last night? Yep, that was good sports radio cons

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<v Speaker 2>almost round of applause.

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<v Speaker 8>Look at us, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? How about we take a

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<v Speaker 2>break here, come on back after this.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to the Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, former

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Brown, get his thoughts. What would he have done

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<v Speaker 2>if he was running the Browns when they were on

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<v Speaker 2>the clock last night. By the way, the coolest moment

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<v Speaker 2>last night was when Mark Murphy of the Packers got

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<v Speaker 2>on stage and did this for the first time since

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand two. Laughter live the favor.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to this crowd.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh baby, Matthew Golden, why fare.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, we're going up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so good. That was great, That was great, amazing

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<v Speaker 2>because it was all week long we kept hearing Packer

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<v Speaker 2>fans saying who are we going to take? Who are

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<v Speaker 2>we going to take? And I just kept saying wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver because I didn't think they were going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a wide and being like wide receiver, of course, we

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<v Speaker 2>even asked coach Lafleur even told him, you're gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>a wide receiver? I don't know. And then last night

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<v Speaker 2>so pretty a pretty great moment there. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the last time a team traded up into the top

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<v Speaker 2>two to take a non quarterback was nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 2>This player turned out to be a Hall of Famer.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody want to take a guess? Anyone want to take it?

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<v Speaker 13>Yes?

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<v Speaker 14>Office of Line in Orlando Pace, Bloop blue, Yeah, here

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<v Speaker 14>comes here comes that?

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<v Speaker 2>What what that of the day? I brought to you

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<v Speaker 2>by Panini America. Yes, the Rams traded up to take

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<v Speaker 2>Orlando Pace. That same year, the Raiders traded up to

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<v Speaker 2>number two to take Darryl Russell, defensive lineman. His career

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<v Speaker 2>didn't turn out as well as Orlando Paces. This guy's

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<v Speaker 2>career similar to Orlando Pace Hall of Famer. He's Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas joins us on the program. Joe, come on in here,

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<v Speaker 2>right round of applause for you in.

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<v Speaker 3>Holly Walks Poor.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, you know I did not come empty handed here

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<v Speaker 11>because you know, I'm from Wisconsin and whok is enjoying

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<v Speaker 11>yourself And my mom always taught me we got to

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<v Speaker 11>be Wisconsin nice and you don't show up as a

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<v Speaker 11>guest empty handed.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a little hat for you.

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<v Speaker 11>I know you guys aren't Browns fans, but somewhere there's

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<v Speaker 11>a Browns fan that may want that when we leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you still a Browns fan after what happened

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<v Speaker 2>last night? Well, it was a little tough last night.

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<v Speaker 11>It was like Christmas morning when you're waking up and

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<v Speaker 11>you've asked Santa for that one gift and you're just

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<v Speaker 11>sure it's coming, and all of a sudden you open

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<v Speaker 11>it up and it's like, hey, this is a gift

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<v Speaker 11>certificate for next year's Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm dang, what would you have done?

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, it would be hard for me to pass

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<v Speaker 11>up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy that

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<v Speaker 11>can change the game on both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 11>You can never have enough good cornerbacks, you can never

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<v Speaker 11>have enough good wide receivers. And it would have been

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<v Speaker 11>nice to see him because I think he's just a

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<v Speaker 11>great locker room guy. And it was a tough year

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<v Speaker 11>for Browns fans, let's be honest, and so to get

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<v Speaker 11>a little bit of excitement and hope on Draft Day,

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<v Speaker 11>which is typically our super Bowl, would have been kind

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<v Speaker 11>of nice. But I think when you look at the

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<v Speaker 11>Hall that they got, how do you turn that down?

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, it was a historic hall for being able

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<v Speaker 11>to just slide back a couple spots and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Still get a great player in Mason Graham.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but this is what I never understand. People talk about, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you got all these draft picks, But if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>good at drafting, what does it matter? Because the Browns

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<v Speaker 2>have a history of recent history of not being very

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<v Speaker 2>good at drafting.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you consider recent like the last twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, last fifteen years, I mean you.

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<v Speaker 11>Worked, Yeah, well, I mean they've had some good picks obviously,

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<v Speaker 11>Miles Sarrett yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the reason we're in this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like Johnny Manzil, Yeah, the defensive back from Oklahoma State.

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<v Speaker 11>Let's not talk about Justin Gilbert mention that name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I just thought if you take Travis Hunter,

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<v Speaker 2>now you're relevant. Now somebody, now we would tune in

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the Browns. Nobody's tuning in to watch Miles Garrett.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you appreciate Miles Garrett, but you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be relevant and the Browns aren't relevant. Now. The curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>is how old is their quarterback? I mean that's really

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<v Speaker 2>the big curiosity here. You get Travis Hunter and then

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<v Speaker 2>today you get Shdor Sanders. Now I got something. I

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<v Speaker 2>got something fun here. Maybe it's not sustainable with the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least you reunite them. Now people are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the Cleveland Browns.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>I guess do you want to win the draft or

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<v Speaker 11>do you want to win some games down the line.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think it's a difficult decision, and it's a

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<v Speaker 11>tough trade off when you're sitting here and everybody wants

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<v Speaker 11>that microwave approach, that instant gratification of being able to

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<v Speaker 11>have those two guys like you mentioned and you got

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<v Speaker 11>the excitement, but you know, there was a lot of

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 11>excitement when we drafted Johnny Manziel and you know, we've

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:34.199
<v Speaker 11>had a lot of excitement on draft day in the

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 11>past and it's not always worked out. So sometimes I

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 11>think you do have to make the tough decisions and

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 11>be realistic about the situation you're in. Admit to yourself

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 11>that hey, we aren't one player away and we don't

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.879
<v Speaker 11>have enough conviction in Shador standers hoping that they'd be

0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:51.080
<v Speaker 11>able to get them today to say like, yep, we

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.200
<v Speaker 11>put those two guys together, we got a strong playoff team.

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 11>We think that Shadur is a guy that can make

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<v Speaker 11>maybe give us a run in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just don't think that evaluation and led them

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<v Speaker 3>to that belief.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever pull Johnny Manzil to the side and

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<v Speaker 2>have a conversation with him?

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 11>We talked occasionally, and I was like, hey, man, why

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 11>don't you love football more? It would be really cool

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.840
<v Speaker 11>if you showed up for a few meetings every now

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:14.240
<v Speaker 11>and then.

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 2>And what did he say?

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he was there. I think I was

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 3>sending a text message like, hey, we're at the meeting.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Review you don't think he loved football.

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 11>I think it was pretty obvious that he enjoyed playing

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 11>football as a kid's game. But when it came to

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.879
<v Speaker 11>doing the work, the preparation that it takes, you know,

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 11>it's really hard, especially being a quarterback in the NFL,

0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 11>because you're putting a lot of time in on your own,

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 11>getting yourself ready not only for games, but practicing, watching

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.400
<v Speaker 11>film and dedicating your body to the weight room.

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 3>And look at what Tom Brady did.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, basically all he did when he was a

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 11>player was take care of his body, study film, and

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 11>play football. And that's the commitment you have to make,

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:55.600
<v Speaker 11>and not everybody's willing to make that.

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, you see a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot,

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 2>but you see some that are they'd been so good,

0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>it's so easy for them in high school, and like

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Kyler Murray, I just think football was easy for him,

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and then you get to the pros where you really

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>have to put in the time. Now Johnny in high school,

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Johnny in college, and then all of a sudden you

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>get to the pros and you just see some of

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 2>these guys who it was too easy for them. The

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 2>hard part is when you like you feel like you've

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:24.880
<v Speaker 2>made it when you get to the NFL. But that's

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 2>when it starts, like you didn't make it when you

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>were drafted by the Browns. You had to then prove,

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, that you were worthy of that draft pick.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And that's one of the reasons that when I

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 11>was drafted in two thousand and seven, I wasn't super

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 11>excited to go to the draft because it kind of

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 11>made me upset.

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 3>That a lot of players thought that this was the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the road.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, this was my king moment, and now all

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 11>the work is done and I can just enjoy the

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 11>work that I did before and the money that comes

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 11>and the fame that comes. But for me, it was

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 11>just like, Hey, this is where I'm going to be

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 11>starting my journey, and this is where the work begins.

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 11>And I think, no matter who you are, no matter

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 11>how great you are in college and how great you

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 11>become in the NFL, you do hit those oil slicks

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 11>on your path to success. And you got to be

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 11>willing to put in a different level of work and

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.400
<v Speaker 11>commitment to your craft than you did to be great

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 11>and win the Heisman in college.

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Didn't I I talk to you the day of the

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>draft or after the draft? You were hunting, weren't you.

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 11>I was fishing shot on Lake Michigan out of Port Washington,

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 11>Wisconsin with the dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it was great.

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 11>Hey, maybe there's some people from Port Washington not too

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 11>far from here.

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>But why go fishing instead of go to the draft?

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 11>Well, Gil Brandt asked me to go to the draft

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 11>the Hall of Fame scout from the Dallas Cowboys. And

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:41.480
<v Speaker 11>you know, I'm a man of my word. I'm a

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 11>guy that keeps his commitments. Or I tried to. I

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 11>did ghost you one time on the show back at

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 11>like two thousand and nine. I'm sorry about that one still,

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 11>by the way. But you know, I had a date

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 11>to fish with my dad going back a long time

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.199
<v Speaker 11>on Saturday, and the NFL was just a little bit

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 11>late to ask me to show up to the draft,

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 11>and I said, hey, sorry, I'm already planning to go

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 11>fishing with my And that sounds a lot more fun

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 11>than putting on the suit and going to New York City.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>What advice would you give these offensive linemen who were drafted.

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<v Speaker 11>I would say, just come in with your head down,

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 11>be ready to work, your eyes open, your mouth shut, listen,

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 11>and learn from those old guys and try to build

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 11>yourself a process to prepare for games, because that was

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 11>one of the things that was the most important in

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 11>my career. I had Hank Freeley, who is our center

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 11>now turning into a great NFL coach. He was offensive

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 11>line coach for the Detroit Lions. But I was able

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 11>to get in there and some other veteran guys, and

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 11>they showed me their process, how you watch film, how

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 11>you take notes, how you prepare for practice, how you

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 11>evaluate yourself. Because the coaches are going to do a

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 11>great job, but if you want to be great, if

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 11>you want to be consistently great, you got to do

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 11>it for yourself. And you've got to have a system

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 11>that you stick to that you go through every single

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 11>day for practice and then every week when you're getting

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 11>ready for Sundays.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, the Patriots were on the clock, and

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 2>then they take the offensive lineman Will Campbell out of

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 2>LSU and you know it's not a sexy pick, but

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 2>then you hear what he says that he's gonna he'll

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 2>die check my corner back. That's when you go, yes,

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, Mike vrabel got he's gone. But then they

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about short arms. I mean, how long are your arms?

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 11>Maybe somebody can look it up. But that was the

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 11>knock on me coming out draft, which I always thought

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 11>was funny. I'm like, what what makes my arms short?

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 11>I guess I don't understand, like if my middle finger

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 11>is an inch longer, because they measure from here to here,

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 11>which is kind of a weird measurement. Like I don't

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 11>block people like this last time I checked. Usually I'm

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 11>like going like this, and I'm blocking with my feet.

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 11>My hands are just connecting me and my body to

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 11>the opponent. And so I mean, obviously longer is better

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 11>than shorter with your appendages, but like it really is

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 11>not gonna Well, here we go. We got apparently an officionado,

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 11>he knows the thing. But uh, I don't know why

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 11>they think that, like a very very minute difference is

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 11>able to classify somebody as Ye, you can do it,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 11>and no, sorry, you can't do it, because really, it's

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 11>your feet, it's your technique, it's your balance, it's your

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 11>mind and your ability to get into those biomechanical positions.

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 11>It's the way you can bend your ankle's, knees and

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 11>hips like that's what determines success or failure. But I

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 11>think sometimes, especially with the combine, we're very attached to

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 11>these measuring systems that are very very archaic. They're not

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 11>very accurate at measuring exactly how long are your arms?

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 11>Because I always thought, hey, wouldn't it be goods if

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.479
<v Speaker 11>you put like a plate of glass between the guy's

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 11>chest and you had them stick like their arms out

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 11>like this with their palms, because that's what you block

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 11>people with. You don't block people like this, but the

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 11>problem and you certainly don't block them like this. Even

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 11>wingspan is kind of misleading because now you're measuring how

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 11>long are their hands and their fingers, how wide is

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 11>their chest, which really it's obsolete, it doesn't matter. But

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 11>they always want a way to be able to compare

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 11>the people that were there ten, twenty, thirty, forty years ago,

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 11>because they build these models of all, right, you know,

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 11>this is the probability of success if they have this measurement.

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 11>In that measurement, they don't want to change it, even

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 11>though a lot of that stuff really it's just not

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 11>applicable at all, even to the thing that they're trying

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 11>to measure.

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>He's a Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, how many sacks

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>did you give up in your career?

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 11>I don't think I gave up any actually, you know,

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 11>the ones that they may be credited for me were

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 11>probably the quarterback's fault.

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>How many do you think you actually.

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it was probably around twenty or something

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 3>like that. Six.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>How many times did you hold well?

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I never helped for sure. How many times did you

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 3>get cold penalties? I don't know, maybe thirty, twenty ten, five,

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Joe is raising beef cattle. Yeah, it's your Hall of

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Fame beef products.

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, you know, you guys do this such a great show,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 11>and you're out here grinding away and you don't get food.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 11>But there's nothing better than a beef stick for a snack.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>So yes, I figure you guys, you know, make it

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 3>a little hungry today.

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 11>And so I had a chance to offer you some

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 11>of the great Hall of Fame beef from my family

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 11>farm in Wisconsin.

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>It's six Springs arm dot com for more information.

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 11>Be wary that this is exceptional stuff and you might

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 11>not go back to the regular stuff if you're going

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 11>back home. This is the stuff that my kids are

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 11>literally fighting over when they come home from school. So

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 11>I hope you enjoy it, but you stop farming the table.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 11>Wo it's the kind of a passion project. See hey,

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 11>that was a good answer, And I'll put the knife

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 11>away before I get in trouble.

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Please.

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 3>We're doing good things in Wisconsin, aren't we. Guys? Here

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 3>we go, we still got a crowd here.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you wish you would have played for the Packers?

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, I grew up a huge Packer fan.

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.240
<v Speaker 11>I was twelve when they won the Super Bowl, Brett

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 11>Farv and the Roy Butler and Reggie White and uh

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 11>so I carried that through college and then you get

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 11>drafted and until you really are just all in for

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 11>another team. Playing for the Browns. Obviously Browns fan, I

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 11>wanted us to win, but you still kind of hold

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 11>that love for your team that you grew up in

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 11>because you remember all those feels that you had, you know,

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.959
<v Speaker 11>when they had the successes, and so early on in

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.240
<v Speaker 11>my career, I was always kind of saying, you know,

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 11>I wasn't hoping they would trade for me, but I

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 11>wasn't going to be mad if they did. Because living

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 11>in Wisconsin, obviously, the weather is so nice as it

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 11>is today forty in raining. I got my family here,

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 11>get to play in lambeau Field, which is the greatest stadium.

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 3>It's the cathedral to football.

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 11>But then as my my career wore on, my kids

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 11>were born in Cleveland, I've really identified more as a

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 11>Cleveland Er, as a Cleveland Brown and so now living

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 11>back in Wisconsin, kids are allowed to be Packer fans.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 11>I cheer for them if they're not playing the Browns.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 11>But you know, I think it's interesting, as you work

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 11>in the business, how kind of your allegiances just changed

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 11>a little bit.

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>But you didn't think about maybe one your final year

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>like JJ Watts, I see, yeah, talked about maybe one

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>year playing for them.

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 3>But he didn't. So it's like, you know, I get

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 3>he wanted to, but he wanted to. I mean I

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 3>wanted to.

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 11>But you know, I think when you kind of weigh

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 11>the costs and the benefit of everything, in the end,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 11>you still want to be in like a great situation

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 11>for you and how you fit into the team, and

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 11>that's kind of like the most important thing I think

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 11>for me. My career ended probably before I wanted to

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 11>because I had a bad knee and I tore my

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 11>try sip. I was just kind of breaking down. But

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<v Speaker 11>you know, the little kid in me says, heya, I

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<v Speaker 11>wouldn't have been cool to put the green and gold

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<v Speaker 11>helmet on. But I never also wanted to be the

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<v Speaker 11>guy that's like, oh, he used to be good, but

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<v Speaker 11>we're just kind of taping him together and rolling him

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<v Speaker 11>out there to be nice to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, did you ever score a touchdown?

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<v Speaker 3>I never did. I picked up a couple fumbles and

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<v Speaker 3>that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Never.

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<v Speaker 11>No, never, never. In the end of that, I guess

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<v Speaker 11>maybe close. In my mind, it was Thursday night football

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<v Speaker 11>in Cincinnati and we fumbled into the end zone and

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<v Speaker 11>I jumped on.

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<v Speaker 3>The pile and I was like, this is my chance,

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<v Speaker 3>this is you know.

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<v Speaker 11>But I had a record going towards the end of

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 11>my career of consecutive snaps over ten and a half years.

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 11>I never missed the play. And so if you go

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<v Speaker 11>in as an eligible receiver, like on the goal line,

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 11>to try to throw you a pass, and let's say

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<v Speaker 11>there's a penalty or something like that, now you back

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<v Speaker 11>up and it's third down and long, and you want

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<v Speaker 11>to be able to put that player back in as

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<v Speaker 11>a tackle and take them away from being an eligible number.

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<v Speaker 11>You can't do that without taking a time out. So

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<v Speaker 11>they never even put like a play and to placate

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<v Speaker 11>me and make me think that I was gonna be

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:14.919
<v Speaker 11>able to score a touch on. But I also had

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 11>my hands taped like a box or I had casts

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 11>on my thumbs and my fingers looked like ninja turtles.

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<v Speaker 3>So I actually didn't even want.

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<v Speaker 11>To try to catch a ball because I it would

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<v Speaker 11>be real bad like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, he is Joe Thomas and it's six Springsfarm dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and so this is direct to consumer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we sell on the website. You know.

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<v Speaker 11>It's me and my family and my kids in twenty

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<v Speaker 11>and eighteen said hey, Dad, we want a pet cow.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, oh boy, this is going to take

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<v Speaker 3>some work.

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<v Speaker 11>And then I started thinking like, oh, but but I

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<v Speaker 11>can eat this pet.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do that with the other ones.

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<v Speaker 11>And so I'm like, you know what what I learned

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<v Speaker 11>as a pro athlete as how you take care of

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<v Speaker 11>your body and how the fuel that you put in

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<v Speaker 11>it it gives you the fuel that you put out,

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 11>and you know how your body is determined and how

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 11>you feel. And I was like, well, you know, I

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:03.880
<v Speaker 11>love eating beef, so I want to see if I

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 11>can raise the best beef on planet Earth, regardless of price.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, NFL salary was good, so I don't have

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 3>to worry about.

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 11>Pitching pennies on raising raising the beef cattle. And we

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<v Speaker 11>just kind of stumbled into something and it all started

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<v Speaker 11>with getting five cows for the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. Uh. If you would like to see Joe's meet,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can go to It's available every night six

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<v Speaker 2>spring arms dot com. Good to see you, Thanks thanking On.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Play the day up next.

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<v Speaker 2>mind today?

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<v Speaker 15>Hey Dan? Well go pack go All Tacker fans are

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.399
<v Speaker 15>waking up Golden this morning. That's Matthew Golden pony boy,

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 15>finally a first round receiver. It's amazing. I have a

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 15>reminder and a question for you. First, the reminder before

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 15>all the reaction and overreaction today, just remember in twenty twelve,

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 15>the Seahawks were given an S grade by by Bleacher

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 15>Report for drafting Bruce Serving, Bobby Wagner, and Russell Wilson

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 15>with their first three takes. And if you don't know

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 15>who won the Super Bowl that year, you should ask

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 15>somebody can see there?

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<v Speaker 2>Paul?

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<v Speaker 8>What do we heck you get in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Lad? Go ahead, slow down, let's go go pack, go now,

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<v Speaker 2>go away, Paul oh, I thought he was a little

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive there.

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<v Speaker 7>See Okay, maybe maybe that might have been just energy enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on air, he's ready, and Dan and salt Lake,

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Dan, good.

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<v Speaker 13>Morning, gentlemen. Uh two questions in a couple of shout outs.

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<v Speaker 13>First of all, I do believe that uh shaudor going

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 13>second round is going to be better for me in

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 13>the long run. I would like your opinion. I would

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 13>like Fritzie's opinion on the Denver draft. Shout out to

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 13>my kids who both made me grandparents within three weeks,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.720
<v Speaker 13>which was crazy because I had to travel to Texas

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.280
<v Speaker 13>both times, and how to shout out to Hunter Andrews,

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 13>who's going to be the next Gronkowski from the University

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 13>of Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know right, Thank you, thank you, and congratulations on

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<v Speaker 2>your grand kits there Chris and Florida. Hi Chris, what's

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 2>on your mind today?

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<v Speaker 12>Hey Dan, I'm a Brown stand and I wanted to

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 12>get your thought on this because what I really didn't like.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 12>I've been thinking about Shador Sanders a lot. What I

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.720
<v Speaker 12>really didn't like was his comment last night, his comment

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 12>where he said I believe it was under no circumstances

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 12>should this have happened. And my thought was in granted,

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<v Speaker 12>I'm a forty nine year old guy, you know, been

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<v Speaker 12>around the block, and he's less than half my age,

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 12>and you know, and I get that, but it just

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 12>tells me he has no awareness of why he felt.

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<v Speaker 12>And I find that to be a big, a big

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<v Speaker 12>concern with that comment. Wanted to get your thoughts on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's got confidence. I mean, that's that's really what

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 2>he's always had, that's been front and center. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>the phone call. And you know when I heard this

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>anonymous GM or scouter whoever it was who said he

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't interview, Well, it goes back to, you know, your

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>interpretation of something, because somebody can come off as a

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>jerk or somebody can come off as I love that

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>he had confidence. I mean, that's that's the difference with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I think Shador seems entitled? Sure? Do I think

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<v Speaker 2>that he's been treated as a star most of his life? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't like that, then you don't draft him,

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<v Speaker 2>plain and simple, if you don't think that kind of personality.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and once again, I don't want to

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 2>speculate on this I try to give you information from

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>people who do this for a living, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any information on him, you know, with an interview

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 2>or being cocky. All I can go on is you

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>know what was reported. But I only went with what

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Mike's source said yesterday late in the show, and that

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>is he didn't have a first round grade. Now he

0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't say his attitude. He just said as a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a first round grade on it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I can go on. Uh, Paul in Vegas? Hi Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 13>Hi?

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<v Speaker 4>Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for taking my call. The Brown's ability to draft

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 5>is definitely something that looms very large over this conversation

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 5>and point while taking. But I think if you looked

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 5>at it from the standpoint of would you have the

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.919
<v Speaker 5>Browns take a wide receiver at the second pick who's

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<v Speaker 5>only going to be available sixty percent of the time

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 5>or a dB that was only available forty percent of

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 5>the time at number two versus that draft call and

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 5>being able to get a starter immediately on defense, you

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<v Speaker 5>would take that trade in a heartbeat because the greatest

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 5>ability is availability, and I think you know Travis's potential

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<v Speaker 5>for even being exposed to more injury is going to

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 5>make that pick taking him even more risky.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that you have somebody we've never seen before,

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>and if you're the Cleveland, you need help on both

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>sides of the ball. If I said you're going to

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>draft somebody who's going to help you on both sides

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of the ball, now might not be every play, but

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>you know you're getting an impact player who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>help you. I can't pass that up. And you're right,

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to trade up number two to get

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>a wide receiver or a defensive back. But would I

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>trade up to get both of them? I would. Rick

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Neuheisel will join us former college coach, and Lewis Riddick

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>from the Mothership will stop by as well. One hour

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 2>in the books, two more to go on this meet Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Patrick's show