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Speaker 2: streaming partner. A lot of things to dive into. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: late in the show, I'd gotten word that Jacksonville was
Speaker 2: going to make a move. I didn't know what the
Speaker 2: move was going to be, and I thought, if they're
Speaker 2: trading up, who are they trading up for? Or if
Speaker 2: somebody is going to trade with them and they fall
Speaker 2: down a little bit in the draft, what's going to
Speaker 2: happen with Jacksonville. I thought the draft would start with Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: I guess you can say that the draft did start
Speaker 2: with Jacksonville because they went up and got the number
Speaker 2: two pick from the Cleveland Browns and they took Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Apparently they didn't have much contact with Travis Hunter prior
Speaker 2: to the draft, and I think he was surprised. But
Speaker 2: I give Jacksonville credit because you do have a quarterback
Speaker 2: and now you've got a curiosity there a two way
Speaker 2: player your show. Heyo Tani of sorts. I'm still confused
Speaker 2: here because we had Daniel Jeremiah who worked the draft
Speaker 2: for NFL Network and he joined us yesterday and he
Speaker 2: said it was one hundred percent, one hundred percent the
Speaker 2: Browns were taking Travis Hunter. And I'm thinking, okay, if
Speaker 2: they take Travis Hunter, and late in the show, I
Speaker 2: told you that I didn't think Shadoor Sanders was going
Speaker 2: in the first round. I had heard from somebody who
Speaker 2: said that they didn't think that. A scout said they
Speaker 2: didn't think that he was going in the first round.
Speaker 2: Now what I thought was, if he doesn't go in
Speaker 2: the first round, Cleveland has the first pick today. So
Speaker 2: you could take Shador Sanders today, You could have taken
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter yesterday, and then you reunite them. To me,
Speaker 2: that gives Cleveland some gravitas something umph you care. I mean,
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco's my age and he's quarterbacking the Cleveland brown
Speaker 2: Actually he's a year younger than they got it. But
Speaker 2: you got Miles Garrett. I mean, what else do you
Speaker 2: have here? You could have had an identity overnight with
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter and then Shador Sanders, and I think Cleveland's
Speaker 2: probably taking Shador Sanders with that first pick in the
Speaker 2: second round. So there were a lot of things yesterday
Speaker 2: and I'm watching the draft and you would never get
Speaker 2: the feeling that cam Ward was the number one overall
Speaker 2: pick because while he's being selected, the Mothership and NFL
Speaker 2: network went all in on the trade at number two.
Speaker 2: So cam Ward was an he might be one of
Speaker 2: those five ten years from now will be like Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Did he go number one? No, he went number two?
Speaker 2: Who went number one? Uh? Oh, that's right, Cam Warren
Speaker 2: because it and it felt like the I guess the
Speaker 2: best player, most notable player was Travis Hunter. The second
Speaker 2: most notable player was Shadoor Sanders. Those were the two
Speaker 2: guys who were talked about the most. Shaudur for not
Speaker 2: being drafted, got a lot of airtime, and uh he
Speaker 2: talked about not being selected in the first round.
Speaker 4: We all didn't expect this, of course, but I feel
Speaker 4: like with God, anything possible, everything possible. I don't feel
Speaker 4: that this happened, you know, for no reason. All this
Speaker 4: is is of course fields to the fire, and under
Speaker 4: no circumstance. We all know this sin that happened, but
Speaker 4: we understand we own the bigger and better things. Tomorrow's
Speaker 4: the day we're gonna be happy in regardless, doesn't there?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 2: Did you see his draft room? He's got legendary like,
Speaker 2: he's got legendary all over. It's as if the it's
Speaker 2: his wallpaper. It says legendary all over his room, all
Speaker 2: over everywhere. They got legendary wallpaper there. You know, he
Speaker 2: got humbled yesterday. He did. And if you'll go back
Speaker 2: to when we had Dion on when we were at
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, it was like, are you telling teams
Speaker 2: to not draft your son? And I mean there was
Speaker 2: a whole big deal about he's not going to go
Speaker 2: play for those teams and is he going to pull
Speaker 2: an Eli Manning? But he got humbled. Although DraftKings just
Speaker 2: gave me the odds here, and the team that has
Speaker 2: the best odds to draft shudor Sanders is the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: Now the Raiders are second, and then you have the Saints, Steelers,
Speaker 2: a distant fourth, tied with the Jets and the Rams. There, Yes, Todd.
Speaker 6: To what extent was that arrogance, brash rumor thing you
Speaker 6: think a factor in him not going to pick in
Speaker 6: the first round versus that these teams just didn't want
Speaker 6: him in round one?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think it did have a little bit of a factor.
Speaker 6: I think there were a few teams that considering him,
Speaker 6: and that might have been the deciding factor. If they
Speaker 6: thought he had some kind of arrogance to him, that
Speaker 6: he might not be good in the locker room, then
Speaker 6: just you know what, let's move on to somebody else.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I haven't heard anything. I know that.
Speaker 2: You know, we've had these anonymous gms or you know,
Speaker 2: scouts who have said that about him. I was just
Speaker 2: told he didn't have a first round grade late yesterday
Speaker 2: in the show, scout said I don't have a first
Speaker 2: round grade, and he didn't waiver off of this. This
Speaker 2: is also the same person who said that he thinks
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys who do mock drafts were
Speaker 2: worried about, in his words, the smoke from not putting
Speaker 2: Shad or Sanders in the first round. Getting that smoke
Speaker 2: from Dion, and I think that maybe people put him
Speaker 2: in there because, well, it's going to drive traffic to
Speaker 2: your mock draft if you don't have shot or in
Speaker 2: the first round. You know, we're in the entertainment business now.
Speaker 2: Whether that's true or not, This is from a scout
Speaker 2: saying that he think a lot of the guys who
Speaker 2: do mock drafts put him in there just out of
Speaker 2: respect for Dion Sanders. I said this before on the show.
Speaker 2: I had him third on my Heisman ballot. I had
Speaker 2: Ashton Genty, I had Travis Hunter, and then I had Shador.
Speaker 2: I thought that much of him. The one thing that
Speaker 2: kept coming back that I kept hearing was when you
Speaker 2: play in the NFL, you process so much quicker. And
Speaker 2: that's going to be a challenge for him and cam
Speaker 2: Ward and Jackson Dart, whoever it is. You know a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys play in a system that is
Speaker 2: really catered to making a lot of plays, completing a
Speaker 2: lot of passes. Shadoor was taken a lot of punishment.
Speaker 2: But you know, my friend who's his scout, said he
Speaker 2: holds onto the ball too long. Caleb Williams held on
Speaker 2: to the ball too long. And you saw what happened
Speaker 2: to him in his rookie year. Can Shador play in
Speaker 2: the NFL? I believe that. Do I think he's a star?
Speaker 2: I don't, but I had great respect for what he
Speaker 2: did at Colorado. And if I'm Cleveland and I've got
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco as my quarterback and Deshaun Watson somewhere in
Speaker 2: the building, I probably would have gone all in on
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. I've got something unique. I've got something that
Speaker 2: somebody will tune in to watch. We're relevant, You're not.
Speaker 2: Now you know it's hey, let's tune in to watch
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. Okay, you start with a quarterback or a
Speaker 2: skill position guy. And if I've got Travis Hunter and
Speaker 2: I take Shador Sanders, I'll roll the dice on Shador's
Speaker 2: a second second day draft pick. Yeah.
Speaker 7: See, Shadur has that thing where he's a star, but
Speaker 7: maybe not a star player at that level. Right, he
Speaker 7: gets the attention, he's got a certain amount of charisma
Speaker 7: and all of those things that you want a little.
Speaker 8: Flash for a superstar. Just the question is will he
Speaker 8: be a star player?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, how many times do we say this like
Speaker 2: somebody's famous, but we don't know what they're famous for.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're famous for being famous?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like Anna Kornakova, the tennis player, good poll. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like she was famous, but she wasn't a great tennis player.
Speaker 8: So Shadur is the and a cornickle.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't want to do it
Speaker 2: sounds like it does it sounds I'm going to retrack that.
Speaker 2: I don't want it taken out of contest. Yes.
Speaker 9: Do you think what happened yesterday is that the Browns
Speaker 9: were all set and then someone got drunk and overpaid.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I don't know if they actually got drunk,
Speaker 2: but they gave.
Speaker 9: Up the fifth pick, the thirty six pick Jacksonville. They
Speaker 9: gave it one hundred and thirty six pick and a
Speaker 9: first rounder next year, which should be in the top fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. If you're doing that, it feels like
Speaker 2: you're doing that because you're getting somebody who puts you
Speaker 2: over the top. I thought Jacksonville was going to win
Speaker 2: their division last year. I don't know if they have
Speaker 2: a star quarterback. I don't know if they have a
Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. He gets paid to be a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: But and plus, how am I using Travis Hunter? Can
Speaker 2: I use him the entire game? Is it going to
Speaker 2: be more offense than defense? And this is what Daniel
Speaker 2: Jeremiah said that you had Travis Hunter who was going
Speaker 2: to major in offense in minor in defense, and it
Speaker 2: felt like, by all accounts he could walk in day
Speaker 2: one and be a Pro Bowl cornerback and maybe not
Speaker 2: the same as a wide receiver. Uh seton? What's the
Speaker 2: poll question for the first hour of the program, We.
Speaker 8: Might as well start with that story right there.
Speaker 2: Long term?
Speaker 8: Who made the better move? Jaguars or Browns?
Speaker 2: M Okay, all right, what else do you have?
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if this one is fair, so
Speaker 7: I guess I might as well ask it on air.
Speaker 7: Shadar Sanders fell because ability or attitude.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say ability.
Speaker 8: I could also throw in another option there that says
Speaker 8: his dad. But wow, all of these feel really unfair.
Speaker 2: Probably not getting Dion on today? Are we probably? Did
Speaker 2: you reach out Todd to Dion? Okay? Yeah, probably not
Speaker 2: getting him on today. This is I'm waiting for a
Speaker 2: we're keeping receipts. I'm waiting for that from Dion.
Speaker 9: Yes, PAULI I can't remember a draft in the last
Speaker 9: ten years where the analysts were so different. Mel Kiper
Speaker 9: was pounding the table literally going, this is a huge
Speaker 9: mistake by about six or seven teams. A couple other
Speaker 9: like serious analysts. Last night on the two different networks
Speaker 9: were saying, I have Shador as my top three picks overall,
Speaker 9: top quarterback, hands down. He's risk free, he's a competitor,
Speaker 9: you know that. Don't worry about measurables. It's drastically different
Speaker 9: the opinions.
Speaker 2: That's what amazes me. And then to have somebody who
Speaker 2: I trust say that he didn't have a first round
Speaker 2: grade for Shador. You're watching the same player play in
Speaker 2: the same games against the same competition that everybody else is.
Speaker 2: But you come away and I always use it as
Speaker 2: when you go into a museum and you go look
Speaker 2: at that, and then somebody will say what is that?
Speaker 2: Or wow, look at like if you've ever looked at
Speaker 2: a Jackson Pollock painting, and then you go, who spilled
Speaker 2: all this paint? Or it's man, that's a genius there,
Speaker 2: or a roth go where you go that a couple
Speaker 2: of million dollars, you know, So that kind of the
Speaker 2: way you look at sometimes these quarterbacks. Ashton Genty, I
Speaker 2: think we attached him to the Raiders a couple of
Speaker 2: months ago. I like what they're doing, but you got
Speaker 2: to keep pace in the West. Kansas City's good. Chargers
Speaker 2: got another running back. You know they're going to be good.
Speaker 2: Denver was a playoff team. I like what the Raiders did.
Speaker 2: We said this with Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll's not there
Speaker 2: to build the Raiders. He's there to win with the Raiders.
Speaker 2: And that's why you get Gino, who can play. He's
Speaker 2: a good quarterback. I got Brock Bowers, who's awesome. Now
Speaker 2: I get a great running back, and I got Max Crosby.
Speaker 2: I at least have something. I always look at some
Speaker 2: of these teams and you go, you know, coming up
Speaker 2: on Sunday night football, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you know, you go to the Steelers and it's Cam
Speaker 2: Hayward and you go, oh, that's not a good thing.
Speaker 2: You have to have somebody that you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna tune in and watch that guy. Well, the
Speaker 2: Raiders have those guys. Yes.
Speaker 7: When you look at Travis Hunter, right, I keep seeing
Speaker 7: a lot of the question marks about him as a cornerback.
Speaker 7: Everybody seems to be like he's polished, he's ready to go.
Speaker 7: There seems to be way more questions of him as
Speaker 7: a wide receiver. But that almost all of the like
Speaker 7: you were just saying about Daniels Aremia. It's like, well
Speaker 7: he's gonna major in offense and minor and defense.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that feel reversed? Yes? Yeah, I was surprised at
Speaker 2: that because I think he just and also, but look
Speaker 2: at the pay if you look at what receivers get
Speaker 2: and what DB's get. I mean, if I if I'm
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, I'm going I think I'd like to play offense.
Speaker 2: I think they pay a little bit or over there.
Speaker 2: But he's a unicorn here. Is he going to get
Speaker 2: the Is he gonna get numbers as a wide receiver
Speaker 2: if he's splitting time? And Drew Brees said this yesterday,
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't want my star receiver playing defense.
Speaker 2: I don't want that. Like the odds of getting injured.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets injured if I add an extra forty plays,
Speaker 2: so I've already increased the odds that my star player
Speaker 2: is going to eventually get hurt.
Speaker 7: Yes see, there was always that old saying that I
Speaker 7: heard once about or many times about if you have
Speaker 7: two quarterbacks, you don't have one. Kind of feel the
Speaker 7: same way about that about Travis Hunt. If you have
Speaker 7: two positions and you probably don't have one which is
Speaker 7: the one that you're going to be great at, and
Speaker 7: then if you're going to start doing the other one,
Speaker 7: it's taking away from how good you could be at
Speaker 7: the other.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Cleveland Browns made a good decision yesterday?
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe, so you're on the clock, cam
Speaker 2: Ward's gone, Now you're on the clock. Jacksonville calls and says,
Speaker 2: here you go. How would you have done?
Speaker 8: I think that by taking him, you win the day.
Speaker 8: But I don't know that. I feel like it's a
Speaker 8: little bit of a trap.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do.
Speaker 8: I feel like it's a little I think he's a
Speaker 8: great kid. I hope he does really, really well.
Speaker 7: I feel like it's a little bit of a trap
Speaker 7: because he's he's very clear about I'm playing both positions here,
Speaker 7: and almost everybody universally is like, but you can't.
Speaker 2: Marvin, you're on the clonk.
Speaker 3: If I'm Cleveland, I'm keeping my pick.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna you're gonna keep Travis Hunter. I am okay, Todd,
Speaker 2: you're on the clonk taking Travis hunder Paul, I'm trading.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be micromanaged and.
Speaker 9: Critiqued by how I use this player both sides of
Speaker 9: the ball. If you have an offensive set where he's
Speaker 9: not on the field for some reason and you thrown
Speaker 9: in completion, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Every week? But I want to be talked about Cleveland's
Speaker 2: not going to be talked about. You're not relevant. It's
Speaker 2: it's close with me.
Speaker 9: Like I if you take him man his first five years,
Speaker 9: he's probably gonna be awesome and play both ways. But
Speaker 9: my bet is in five years he's at one position.
Speaker 2: All I need him is for five years, yes, rookie contract,
Speaker 2: Like I need to be relevant. I gotta get out
Speaker 2: from underneath de Sean Watson's deal. We eventually find our quarterback.
Speaker 2: I would have had Travis, I would have had Shador
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden we are relevant.
Speaker 7: Yeah see, but you also have to give him time
Speaker 7: to get up to speed. Right, so you're gonna have
Speaker 7: to survive that first half of the season. Say where
Speaker 7: it's like all right, is this working, or isn't it right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not making the playoffs, so you do
Speaker 2: have that leeway. It's like, okay, so what but people
Speaker 2: will tune in to watch the Browns, Yes, Martin, all right.
Speaker 10: So if he's just great at one position and margin
Speaker 10: with the other, is he considered a bust because the
Speaker 10: thing about him was he's a unicorn he plays both
Speaker 10: sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, Otani's not a great pitcher. He's a good pitcher.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't pitch again, nobody's gonna say he's a bust.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Paul, I think the comp to Otani is exact.
Speaker 9: It's not even like forced. When Otani decided to come
Speaker 9: to a or can play MLB, he told teams I'm
Speaker 9: playing both ways. A number of teams passed on him.
Speaker 9: They passed, and one of the teams that said, will
Speaker 9: embrace it because the Angels needed relevancy and needed star power,
Speaker 9: and they said, yes, did they keep him, No, but
Speaker 9: they're one of the few teams that said you can
Speaker 9: play both ways.
Speaker 7: For US baseball as well, also one of those games
Speaker 7: that you can go innings without having to do anything.
Speaker 7: You know, you might not see a single ball at
Speaker 7: right field, and you might not bat for this inning,
Speaker 7: next inning and the whatever, and so you actually do nothing.
Speaker 7: Playing both ways in baseball or doing both positions is
Speaker 7: way easier than in the NFL.
Speaker 2: All right, and with that, we'll take a break. Well,
Speaker 2: last Joe Thomas, former Cleveland Brown, Well he would have
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to the Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, former
Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown, get his thoughts. What would he have done
Speaker 2: if he was running the Browns when they were on
Speaker 2: the clock last night. By the way, the coolest moment
Speaker 2: last night was when Mark Murphy of the Packers got
Speaker 2: on stage and did this for the first time since
Speaker 2: two thousand two. Laughter live the favor.
Speaker 3: Listen to this crowd.
Speaker 11: Oh baby, Matthew Golden, why fare.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we're going up.
Speaker 2: That's so good. That was great, That was great, amazing
Speaker 2: because it was all week long we kept hearing Packer
Speaker 2: fans saying who are we going to take? Who are
Speaker 2: we going to take? And I just kept saying wide
Speaker 2: receiver because I didn't think they were going to take
Speaker 2: a wide and being like wide receiver, of course, we
Speaker 2: even asked coach Lafleur even told him, you're gonna take
Speaker 2: a wide receiver? I don't know. And then last night
Speaker 2: so pretty a pretty great moment there. By the way,
Speaker 2: the last time a team traded up into the top
Speaker 2: two to take a non quarterback was nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: This player turned out to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Anybody want to take a guess? Anyone want to take it?
Speaker 13: Yes?
Speaker 14: Office of Line in Orlando Pace, Bloop blue, Yeah, here
Speaker 14: comes here comes that?
Speaker 2: What what that of the day? I brought to you
Speaker 2: by Panini America. Yes, the Rams traded up to take
Speaker 2: Orlando Pace. That same year, the Raiders traded up to
Speaker 2: number two to take Darryl Russell, defensive lineman. His career
Speaker 2: didn't turn out as well as Orlando Paces. This guy's
Speaker 2: career similar to Orlando Pace Hall of Famer. He's Joe
Speaker 2: Thomas joins us on the program. Joe, come on in here,
Speaker 2: right round of applause for you in.
Speaker 3: Holly Walks Poor.
Speaker 11: Yes, you know I did not come empty handed here
Speaker 11: because you know, I'm from Wisconsin and whok is enjoying
Speaker 11: yourself And my mom always taught me we got to
Speaker 11: be Wisconsin nice and you don't show up as a
Speaker 11: guest empty handed.
Speaker 3: I got a little hat for you.
Speaker 11: I know you guys aren't Browns fans, but somewhere there's
Speaker 11: a Browns fan that may want that when we leave.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you still a Browns fan after what happened
Speaker 2: last night? Well, it was a little tough last night.
Speaker 11: It was like Christmas morning when you're waking up and
Speaker 11: you've asked Santa for that one gift and you're just
Speaker 11: sure it's coming, and all of a sudden you open
Speaker 11: it up and it's like, hey, this is a gift
Speaker 11: certificate for next year's Christmas.
Speaker 2: Like I'm dang, what would you have done?
Speaker 11: I mean, it would be hard for me to pass
Speaker 11: up on Travis Hunter just because he's a guy that
Speaker 11: can change the game on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 11: You can never have enough good cornerbacks, you can never
Speaker 11: have enough good wide receivers. And it would have been
Speaker 11: nice to see him because I think he's just a
Speaker 11: great locker room guy. And it was a tough year
Speaker 11: for Browns fans, let's be honest, and so to get
Speaker 11: a little bit of excitement and hope on Draft Day,
Speaker 11: which is typically our super Bowl, would have been kind
Speaker 11: of nice. But I think when you look at the
Speaker 11: Hall that they got, how do you turn that down?
Speaker 11: I mean, it was a historic hall for being able
Speaker 11: to just slide back a couple spots and then.
Speaker 3: Still get a great player in Mason Graham.
Speaker 2: Okay, but this is what I never understand. People talk about, Oh,
Speaker 2: you got all these draft picks, But if you're not
Speaker 2: good at drafting, what does it matter? Because the Browns
Speaker 2: have a history of recent history of not being very
Speaker 2: good at drafting.
Speaker 3: What do you consider recent like the last twenty.
Speaker 2: Years, last fifteen years, I mean you.
Speaker 11: Worked, Yeah, well, I mean they've had some good picks obviously,
Speaker 11: Miles Sarrett yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason we're in this situation.
Speaker 2: Is like Johnny Manzil, Yeah, the defensive back from Oklahoma State.
Speaker 11: Let's not talk about Justin Gilbert mention that name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just thought if you take Travis Hunter,
Speaker 2: now you're relevant. Now somebody, now we would tune in
Speaker 2: to watch the Browns. Nobody's tuning in to watch Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: I mean, you appreciate Miles Garrett, but you want to
Speaker 2: be relevant and the Browns aren't relevant. Now. The curiosity
Speaker 2: is how old is their quarterback? I mean that's really
Speaker 2: the big curiosity here. You get Travis Hunter and then
Speaker 2: today you get Shdor Sanders. Now I got something. I
Speaker 2: got something fun here. Maybe it's not sustainable with the quarterback,
Speaker 2: but at least you reunite them. Now people are talking
Speaker 2: about the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I guess do you want to win the draft or
Speaker 11: do you want to win some games down the line.
Speaker 11: And I think it's a difficult decision, and it's a
Speaker 11: tough trade off when you're sitting here and everybody wants
Speaker 11: that microwave approach, that instant gratification of being able to
Speaker 11: have those two guys like you mentioned and you got
Speaker 11: the excitement, but you know, there was a lot of
Speaker 11: excitement when we drafted Johnny Manziel and you know, we've
Speaker 11: had a lot of excitement on draft day in the
Speaker 11: past and it's not always worked out. So sometimes I
Speaker 11: think you do have to make the tough decisions and
Speaker 11: be realistic about the situation you're in. Admit to yourself
Speaker 11: that hey, we aren't one player away and we don't
Speaker 11: have enough conviction in Shador standers hoping that they'd be
Speaker 11: able to get them today to say like, yep, we
Speaker 11: put those two guys together, we got a strong playoff team.
Speaker 11: We think that Shadur is a guy that can make
Speaker 11: maybe give us a run in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And I just don't think that evaluation and led them
Speaker 3: to that belief.
Speaker 2: Did you ever pull Johnny Manzil to the side and
Speaker 2: have a conversation with him?
Speaker 11: We talked occasionally, and I was like, hey, man, why
Speaker 11: don't you love football more? It would be really cool
Speaker 11: if you showed up for a few meetings every now
Speaker 11: and then.
Speaker 2: And what did he say?
Speaker 3: I don't think he was there. I think I was
Speaker 3: sending a text message like, hey, we're at the meeting.
Speaker 2: Review you don't think he loved football.
Speaker 11: I think it was pretty obvious that he enjoyed playing
Speaker 11: football as a kid's game. But when it came to
Speaker 11: doing the work, the preparation that it takes, you know,
Speaker 11: it's really hard, especially being a quarterback in the NFL,
Speaker 11: because you're putting a lot of time in on your own,
Speaker 11: getting yourself ready not only for games, but practicing, watching
Speaker 11: film and dedicating your body to the weight room.
Speaker 3: And look at what Tom Brady did.
Speaker 11: I mean, basically all he did when he was a
Speaker 11: player was take care of his body, study film, and
Speaker 11: play football. And that's the commitment you have to make,
Speaker 11: and not everybody's willing to make that.
Speaker 2: Well, you see a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot,
Speaker 2: but you see some that are they'd been so good,
Speaker 2: it's so easy for them in high school, and like
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, I just think football was easy for him,
Speaker 2: and then you get to the pros where you really
Speaker 2: have to put in the time. Now Johnny in high school,
Speaker 2: Johnny in college, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: get to the pros and you just see some of
Speaker 2: these guys who it was too easy for them. The
Speaker 2: hard part is when you like you feel like you've
Speaker 2: made it when you get to the NFL. But that's
Speaker 2: when it starts, like you didn't make it when you
Speaker 2: were drafted by the Browns. You had to then prove,
Speaker 2: you know, that you were worthy of that draft pick.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And that's one of the reasons that when I
Speaker 11: was drafted in two thousand and seven, I wasn't super
Speaker 11: excited to go to the draft because it kind of
Speaker 11: made me upset.
Speaker 3: That a lot of players thought that this was the
Speaker 3: end of the road.
Speaker 11: You know, this was my king moment, and now all
Speaker 11: the work is done and I can just enjoy the
Speaker 11: work that I did before and the money that comes
Speaker 11: and the fame that comes. But for me, it was
Speaker 11: just like, Hey, this is where I'm going to be
Speaker 11: starting my journey, and this is where the work begins.
Speaker 11: And I think, no matter who you are, no matter
Speaker 11: how great you are in college and how great you
Speaker 11: become in the NFL, you do hit those oil slicks
Speaker 11: on your path to success. And you got to be
Speaker 11: willing to put in a different level of work and
Speaker 11: commitment to your craft than you did to be great
Speaker 11: and win the Heisman in college.
Speaker 2: Didn't I I talk to you the day of the
Speaker 2: draft or after the draft? You were hunting, weren't you.
Speaker 11: I was fishing shot on Lake Michigan out of Port Washington,
Speaker 11: Wisconsin with the dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was great.
Speaker 11: Hey, maybe there's some people from Port Washington not too
Speaker 11: far from here.
Speaker 2: But why go fishing instead of go to the draft?
Speaker 11: Well, Gil Brandt asked me to go to the draft
Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame scout from the Dallas Cowboys. And
Speaker 11: you know, I'm a man of my word. I'm a
Speaker 11: guy that keeps his commitments. Or I tried to. I
Speaker 11: did ghost you one time on the show back at
Speaker 11: like two thousand and nine. I'm sorry about that one still,
Speaker 11: by the way. But you know, I had a date
Speaker 11: to fish with my dad going back a long time
Speaker 11: on Saturday, and the NFL was just a little bit
Speaker 11: late to ask me to show up to the draft,
Speaker 11: and I said, hey, sorry, I'm already planning to go
Speaker 11: fishing with my And that sounds a lot more fun
Speaker 11: than putting on the suit and going to New York City.
Speaker 2: What advice would you give these offensive linemen who were drafted.
Speaker 11: I would say, just come in with your head down,
Speaker 11: be ready to work, your eyes open, your mouth shut, listen,
Speaker 11: and learn from those old guys and try to build
Speaker 11: yourself a process to prepare for games, because that was
Speaker 11: one of the things that was the most important in
Speaker 11: my career. I had Hank Freeley, who is our center
Speaker 11: now turning into a great NFL coach. He was offensive
Speaker 11: line coach for the Detroit Lions. But I was able
Speaker 11: to get in there and some other veteran guys, and
Speaker 11: they showed me their process, how you watch film, how
Speaker 11: you take notes, how you prepare for practice, how you
Speaker 11: evaluate yourself. Because the coaches are going to do a
Speaker 11: great job, but if you want to be great, if
Speaker 11: you want to be consistently great, you got to do
Speaker 11: it for yourself. And you've got to have a system
Speaker 11: that you stick to that you go through every single
Speaker 11: day for practice and then every week when you're getting
Speaker 11: ready for Sundays.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Patriots were on the clock, and
Speaker 2: then they take the offensive lineman Will Campbell out of
Speaker 2: LSU and you know it's not a sexy pick, but
Speaker 2: then you hear what he says that he's gonna he'll
Speaker 2: die check my corner back. That's when you go, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, Mike vrabel got he's gone. But then they
Speaker 2: talk about short arms. I mean, how long are your arms?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 11: Maybe somebody can look it up. But that was the
Speaker 11: knock on me coming out draft, which I always thought
Speaker 11: was funny. I'm like, what what makes my arms short?
Speaker 11: I guess I don't understand, like if my middle finger
Speaker 11: is an inch longer, because they measure from here to here,
Speaker 11: which is kind of a weird measurement. Like I don't
Speaker 11: block people like this last time I checked. Usually I'm
Speaker 11: like going like this, and I'm blocking with my feet.
Speaker 11: My hands are just connecting me and my body to
Speaker 11: the opponent. And so I mean, obviously longer is better
Speaker 11: than shorter with your appendages, but like it really is
Speaker 11: not gonna Well, here we go. We got apparently an officionado,
Speaker 11: he knows the thing. But uh, I don't know why
Speaker 11: they think that, like a very very minute difference is
Speaker 11: able to classify somebody as Ye, you can do it,
Speaker 11: and no, sorry, you can't do it, because really, it's
Speaker 11: your feet, it's your technique, it's your balance, it's your
Speaker 11: mind and your ability to get into those biomechanical positions.
Speaker 11: It's the way you can bend your ankle's, knees and
Speaker 11: hips like that's what determines success or failure. But I
Speaker 11: think sometimes, especially with the combine, we're very attached to
Speaker 11: these measuring systems that are very very archaic. They're not
Speaker 11: very accurate at measuring exactly how long are your arms?
Speaker 11: Because I always thought, hey, wouldn't it be goods if
Speaker 11: you put like a plate of glass between the guy's
Speaker 11: chest and you had them stick like their arms out
Speaker 11: like this with their palms, because that's what you block
Speaker 11: people with. You don't block people like this, but the
Speaker 11: problem and you certainly don't block them like this. Even
Speaker 11: wingspan is kind of misleading because now you're measuring how
Speaker 11: long are their hands and their fingers, how wide is
Speaker 11: their chest, which really it's obsolete, it doesn't matter. But
Speaker 11: they always want a way to be able to compare
Speaker 11: the people that were there ten, twenty, thirty, forty years ago,
Speaker 11: because they build these models of all, right, you know,
Speaker 11: this is the probability of success if they have this measurement.
Speaker 11: In that measurement, they don't want to change it, even
Speaker 11: though a lot of that stuff really it's just not
Speaker 11: applicable at all, even to the thing that they're trying
Speaker 11: to measure.
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, how many sacks
Speaker 2: did you give up in your career?
Speaker 11: I don't think I gave up any actually, you know,
Speaker 11: the ones that they may be credited for me were
Speaker 11: probably the quarterback's fault.
Speaker 2: How many do you think you actually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was probably around twenty or something
Speaker 3: like that. Six.
Speaker 2: How many times did you hold well?
Speaker 3: I never helped for sure. How many times did you
Speaker 3: get cold penalties? I don't know, maybe thirty, twenty ten, five,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Joe is raising beef cattle. Yeah, it's your Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame beef products.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, you guys do this such a great show,
Speaker 11: and you're out here grinding away and you don't get food.
Speaker 11: But there's nothing better than a beef stick for a snack.
Speaker 3: So yes, I figure you guys, you know, make it
Speaker 3: a little hungry today.
Speaker 11: And so I had a chance to offer you some
Speaker 11: of the great Hall of Fame beef from my family
Speaker 11: farm in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: It's six Springs arm dot com for more information.
Speaker 11: Be wary that this is exceptional stuff and you might
Speaker 11: not go back to the regular stuff if you're going
Speaker 11: back home. This is the stuff that my kids are
Speaker 11: literally fighting over when they come home from school. So
Speaker 11: I hope you enjoy it, but you stop farming the table.
Speaker 11: Wo it's the kind of a passion project. See hey,
Speaker 11: that was a good answer, And I'll put the knife
Speaker 11: away before I get in trouble.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: We're doing good things in Wisconsin, aren't we. Guys? Here
Speaker 3: we go, we still got a crowd here.
Speaker 2: Do you wish you would have played for the Packers?
Speaker 3: You know, I grew up a huge Packer fan.
Speaker 11: I was twelve when they won the Super Bowl, Brett
Speaker 11: Farv and the Roy Butler and Reggie White and uh
Speaker 11: so I carried that through college and then you get
Speaker 11: drafted and until you really are just all in for
Speaker 11: another team. Playing for the Browns. Obviously Browns fan, I
Speaker 11: wanted us to win, but you still kind of hold
Speaker 11: that love for your team that you grew up in
Speaker 11: because you remember all those feels that you had, you know,
Speaker 11: when they had the successes, and so early on in
Speaker 11: my career, I was always kind of saying, you know,
Speaker 11: I wasn't hoping they would trade for me, but I
Speaker 11: wasn't going to be mad if they did. Because living
Speaker 11: in Wisconsin, obviously, the weather is so nice as it
Speaker 11: is today forty in raining. I got my family here,
Speaker 11: get to play in lambeau Field, which is the greatest stadium.
Speaker 3: It's the cathedral to football.
Speaker 11: But then as my my career wore on, my kids
Speaker 11: were born in Cleveland, I've really identified more as a
Speaker 11: Cleveland Er, as a Cleveland Brown and so now living
Speaker 11: back in Wisconsin, kids are allowed to be Packer fans.
Speaker 11: I cheer for them if they're not playing the Browns.
Speaker 11: But you know, I think it's interesting, as you work
Speaker 11: in the business, how kind of your allegiances just changed
Speaker 11: a little bit.
Speaker 2: But you didn't think about maybe one your final year
Speaker 2: like JJ Watts, I see, yeah, talked about maybe one
Speaker 2: year playing for them.
Speaker 3: But he didn't. So it's like, you know, I get
Speaker 3: he wanted to, but he wanted to. I mean I
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 11: But you know, I think when you kind of weigh
Speaker 11: the costs and the benefit of everything, in the end,
Speaker 11: you still want to be in like a great situation
Speaker 11: for you and how you fit into the team, and
Speaker 11: that's kind of like the most important thing I think
Speaker 11: for me. My career ended probably before I wanted to
Speaker 11: because I had a bad knee and I tore my
Speaker 11: try sip. I was just kind of breaking down. But
Speaker 11: you know, the little kid in me says, heya, I
Speaker 11: wouldn't have been cool to put the green and gold
Speaker 11: helmet on. But I never also wanted to be the
Speaker 11: guy that's like, oh, he used to be good, but
Speaker 11: we're just kind of taping him together and rolling him
Speaker 11: out there to be nice to him.
Speaker 2: Right, did you ever score a touchdown?
Speaker 3: I never did. I picked up a couple fumbles and
Speaker 3: that's about it.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 11: No, never, never. In the end of that, I guess
Speaker 11: maybe close. In my mind, it was Thursday night football
Speaker 11: in Cincinnati and we fumbled into the end zone and
Speaker 11: I jumped on.
Speaker 3: The pile and I was like, this is my chance,
Speaker 3: this is you know.
Speaker 11: But I had a record going towards the end of
Speaker 11: my career of consecutive snaps over ten and a half years.
Speaker 11: I never missed the play. And so if you go
Speaker 11: in as an eligible receiver, like on the goal line,
Speaker 11: to try to throw you a pass, and let's say
Speaker 11: there's a penalty or something like that, now you back
Speaker 11: up and it's third down and long, and you want
Speaker 11: to be able to put that player back in as
Speaker 11: a tackle and take them away from being an eligible number.
Speaker 11: You can't do that without taking a time out. So
Speaker 11: they never even put like a play and to placate
Speaker 11: me and make me think that I was gonna be
Speaker 11: able to score a touch on. But I also had
Speaker 11: my hands taped like a box or I had casts
Speaker 11: on my thumbs and my fingers looked like ninja turtles.
Speaker 3: So I actually didn't even want.
Speaker 11: To try to catch a ball because I it would
Speaker 11: be real bad like this.
Speaker 2: Uh, he is Joe Thomas and it's six Springsfarm dot com.
Speaker 2: That's right, and so this is direct to consumer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we sell on the website. You know.
Speaker 11: It's me and my family and my kids in twenty
Speaker 11: and eighteen said hey, Dad, we want a pet cow.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh boy, this is going to take
Speaker 3: some work.
Speaker 11: And then I started thinking like, oh, but but I
Speaker 11: can eat this pet.
Speaker 3: I can't do that with the other ones.
Speaker 11: And so I'm like, you know what what I learned
Speaker 11: as a pro athlete as how you take care of
Speaker 11: your body and how the fuel that you put in
Speaker 11: it it gives you the fuel that you put out,
Speaker 11: and you know how your body is determined and how
Speaker 11: you feel. And I was like, well, you know, I
Speaker 11: love eating beef, so I want to see if I
Speaker 11: can raise the best beef on planet Earth, regardless of price.
Speaker 3: You know, NFL salary was good, so I don't have
Speaker 3: to worry about.
Speaker 11: Pitching pennies on raising raising the beef cattle. And we
Speaker 11: just kind of stumbled into something and it all started
Speaker 11: with getting five cows for the kids.
Speaker 2: That's great. Uh. If you would like to see Joe's meet,
Speaker 2: then you can go to It's available every night six
Speaker 2: spring arms dot com. Good to see you, Thanks thanking On.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2: Play the day up next.
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Speaker 15: Hey Dan? Well go pack go All Tacker fans are
Speaker 15: waking up Golden this morning. That's Matthew Golden pony boy,
Speaker 15: finally a first round receiver. It's amazing. I have a
Speaker 15: reminder and a question for you. First, the reminder before
Speaker 15: all the reaction and overreaction today, just remember in twenty twelve,
Speaker 15: the Seahawks were given an S grade by by Bleacher
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Speaker 15: with their first three takes. And if you don't know
Speaker 15: who won the Super Bowl that year, you should ask
Speaker 15: somebody can see there?
Speaker 2: Paul?
Speaker 8: What do we heck you get in there?
Speaker 2: Lad? Go ahead, slow down, let's go go pack, go now,
Speaker 2: go away, Paul oh, I thought he was a little
Speaker 2: aggressive there.
Speaker 7: See Okay, maybe maybe that might have been just energy enthusiasm.
Speaker 2: He's on air, he's ready, and Dan and salt Lake,
Speaker 2: Hi Dan, good.
Speaker 13: Morning, gentlemen. Uh two questions in a couple of shout outs.
Speaker 13: First of all, I do believe that uh shaudor going
Speaker 13: second round is going to be better for me in
Speaker 13: the long run. I would like your opinion. I would
Speaker 13: like Fritzie's opinion on the Denver draft. Shout out to
Speaker 13: my kids who both made me grandparents within three weeks,
Speaker 13: which was crazy because I had to travel to Texas
Speaker 13: both times, and how to shout out to Hunter Andrews,
Speaker 13: who's going to be the next Gronkowski from the University
Speaker 13: of Utah.
Speaker 2: You know right, Thank you, thank you, and congratulations on
Speaker 2: your grand kits there Chris and Florida. Hi Chris, what's
Speaker 2: on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Hey Dan, I'm a Brown stand and I wanted to
Speaker 12: get your thought on this because what I really didn't like.
Speaker 12: I've been thinking about Shador Sanders a lot. What I
Speaker 12: really didn't like was his comment last night, his comment
Speaker 12: where he said I believe it was under no circumstances
Speaker 12: should this have happened. And my thought was in granted,
Speaker 12: I'm a forty nine year old guy, you know, been
Speaker 12: around the block, and he's less than half my age,
Speaker 12: and you know, and I get that, but it just
Speaker 12: tells me he has no awareness of why he felt.
Speaker 12: And I find that to be a big, a big
Speaker 12: concern with that comment. Wanted to get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: Well, he's got confidence. I mean, that's that's really what
Speaker 2: he's always had, that's been front and center. Thanks for
Speaker 2: the phone call. And you know when I heard this
Speaker 2: anonymous GM or scouter whoever it was who said he
Speaker 2: didn't interview, Well, it goes back to, you know, your
Speaker 2: interpretation of something, because somebody can come off as a
Speaker 2: jerk or somebody can come off as I love that
Speaker 2: he had confidence. I mean, that's that's the difference with this.
Speaker 2: Do I think Shador seems entitled? Sure? Do I think
Speaker 2: that he's been treated as a star most of his life? Yes?
Speaker 2: And if you don't like that, then you don't draft him,
Speaker 2: plain and simple, if you don't think that kind of personality.
Speaker 2: And you know, and once again, I don't want to
Speaker 2: speculate on this I try to give you information from
Speaker 2: people who do this for a living, and I don't
Speaker 2: have any information on him, you know, with an interview
Speaker 2: or being cocky. All I can go on is you
Speaker 2: know what was reported. But I only went with what
Speaker 2: Mike's source said yesterday late in the show, and that
Speaker 2: is he didn't have a first round grade. Now he
Speaker 2: didn't say his attitude. He just said as a quarterback.
Speaker 2: I don't have a first round grade on it. That's
Speaker 2: all I can go on. Uh, Paul in Vegas? Hi Paul,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 13: Hi?
Speaker 4: Dan?
Speaker 5: Thanks for taking my call. The Brown's ability to draft
Speaker 5: is definitely something that looms very large over this conversation
Speaker 5: and point while taking. But I think if you looked
Speaker 5: at it from the standpoint of would you have the
Speaker 5: Browns take a wide receiver at the second pick who's
Speaker 5: only going to be available sixty percent of the time
Speaker 5: or a dB that was only available forty percent of
Speaker 5: the time at number two versus that draft call and
Speaker 5: being able to get a starter immediately on defense, you
Speaker 5: would take that trade in a heartbeat because the greatest
Speaker 5: ability is availability, and I think you know Travis's potential
Speaker 5: for even being exposed to more injury is going to
Speaker 5: make that pick taking him even more risky.
Speaker 2: I just think that you have somebody we've never seen before,
Speaker 2: and if you're the Cleveland, you need help on both
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. If I said you're going to
Speaker 2: draft somebody who's going to help you on both sides
Speaker 2: of the ball, now might not be every play, but
Speaker 2: you know you're getting an impact player who's going to
Speaker 2: help you. I can't pass that up. And you're right,
Speaker 2: you're not going to trade up number two to get
Speaker 2: a wide receiver or a defensive back. But would I
Speaker 2: trade up to get both of them? I would. Rick
Speaker 2: Neuheisel will join us former college coach, and Lewis Riddick
Speaker 2: from the Mothership will stop by as well. One hour
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