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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September. I'm sorry, February thirteenth, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: Season fourteen, episode number one sixteen. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We're live from the s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios after Star. We've got our normal crew, except
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman is not here today, so we've got sitting
Speaker 1: in again this week, Brian broad Us. Thanks for joining us. Brian,
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Guys, thank you. We got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about today. We're gonna talk most of the show
Speaker 1: about free agency, and thanks to Brian, we have this
Speaker 1: nifty little sheet here of all of these unrestricted free
Speaker 1: agent that the Cowboys have for this year. I sent
Speaker 1: that to you. No, I think he stole that from
Speaker 1: my desk. I sent that if PR put it out, yeah,
Speaker 1: but whatever, correction, it's a great direction Thanks Nick Free.
Speaker 1: It was a team effort. Thanks for doing this a
Speaker 1: big point. I had nothing to do with it. If
Speaker 1: Brian would have done, it would have been laminated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right about that, Love. I blow out our budget
Speaker 1: on lamination with no question about that. We are actually
Speaker 1: putting a line item in for lamination because um but no,
Speaker 1: this this sheet actually lays out all the unrestricted free
Speaker 1: agents for the Cowboys for actually for the next several years.
Speaker 1: This show, we're going to focus on unrestricted free agents
Speaker 1: for this year for the Cowboys, and we're gonna go
Speaker 1: through that list. And I want you guys to tell
Speaker 1: me whether you think it's a priority guy, whether you
Speaker 1: think it's a guy that you would signed at the
Speaker 1: right price, or if it's a guy you just say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's just move on. We can find better, all right.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I do want to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Travis Frederick. He talking last
Speaker 1: night to a couple of media members and talk about
Speaker 1: the fact that he's hey, obviously right now, is recovering
Speaker 1: uh from Gimbari syndrome, which kept him out of all
Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, and it sounds like his plans are
Speaker 1: that he's gonna return this offseason. Sounds like he can.
Speaker 1: He expects that he'll be able to take part to
Speaker 1: some degree whenever they start up the offseason workouts, and
Speaker 1: that certainly points to the fact that he would be
Speaker 1: back this season. My big question for you guys to
Speaker 1: get this conversation flowing, is how much of how much
Speaker 1: of a of a difference did we see this year
Speaker 1: with Joe Luoney playing center than what you would have
Speaker 1: expected with a guy like Travis Frederick, Because I know
Speaker 1: a lot of us think Joe play had a pretty
Speaker 1: good year. But how much of a difference was there? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that it was. It was not
Speaker 1: as much of a drop off as we thought, but
Speaker 1: it was a drop off that they gave up more
Speaker 1: sacks than they've ever given up. And maybe franchise history,
Speaker 1: it's not all Luney wasn't I don't think the link,
Speaker 1: but I think the combination of everything, you know, he
Speaker 1: just kind of is that glue guy, kind of keeps
Speaker 1: it all together, makes the calls. I think he makes
Speaker 1: Zach Martin better, he makes definitely makes the left guard better.
Speaker 1: And so just not having that experience of a first
Speaker 1: year starter and Joe Looney. He did admirable job, but
Speaker 1: just there's no way you can compete with the best
Speaker 1: center in the football. I just think when you're so
Speaker 1: good sometimes, especially in those kinds of positions, you tend
Speaker 1: to not notice them and the fact that if you're
Speaker 1: not doing anything wrong then you don't notice, but they
Speaker 1: are doing something really good. And to me, that was
Speaker 1: kind of Travis Frederick. I never honestly paid that much
Speaker 1: attention to the way he played. He never gave me
Speaker 1: a reason to be looking at him and be cautious
Speaker 1: of the way he played. Now with Looney, this is
Speaker 1: the first time that I actually started paying attention at
Speaker 1: the positions at that position, because that was obviously a
Speaker 1: change that was noticeable on the field. It wasn't anything
Speaker 1: to the point where it just went down the drain.
Speaker 1: He was able to maintain it, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: why one your backup guy to do. And he did
Speaker 1: an amazing job. Obviously, we have to see and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I know what the syndrome is and all
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know to the extent of what
Speaker 1: that all implies as far as just his future health
Speaker 1: and how much that affects you long term hopefully, and
Speaker 1: by what he says, there seems to be a lot
Speaker 1: of hope in that he can come back and play
Speaker 1: at a good level, and let's hope. So I don't
Speaker 1: know as far as strength, how that's going to affect him.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting you bring that up. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing an interview last year when this first
Speaker 1: diagnosis first came down. Mark Schlereth, who played in the
Speaker 1: NFL for a very long time as an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos, was talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: he dealt with that during his career, and he talked
Speaker 1: about it from the standpoint of saying at the time
Speaker 1: he was like, there's no way he's playing this year.
Speaker 1: He said, I just can't foresee a scenario where he
Speaker 1: plays this year, which poured out to be true. He said, Now,
Speaker 1: the thing about my particular one, first of all, you
Speaker 1: have to know about it's different for everybody. It's kind
Speaker 1: of depending on what stage they find it in and
Speaker 1: how quickly your body recovers, like, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different variables. But he said in his situation he
Speaker 1: was able to play after a year. However, he wasn't
Speaker 1: himself for two years. It took the year after he
Speaker 1: came back. He wasn't quite there yet because he had
Speaker 1: to regain all his strength and he had to get
Speaker 1: back to the point. For him to get back to
Speaker 1: the point where he was before the syndrome he was at,
Speaker 1: it was actually two years after that. Now that that's
Speaker 1: not to say that that's necessarily the case for Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: because again he did say that it varies for everyone.
Speaker 1: But I do think we all ought to be a
Speaker 1: little cautious as we talk about this. You really don't
Speaker 1: know even if he comes back, you don't know exactly
Speaker 1: where he's gonna be. And he even to mention that
Speaker 1: yesterday of where he's gonna be, he won't know all
Speaker 1: of that until he kind of gets out there and
Speaker 1: start doing something. The scary thing, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say real quick, the scary thing to me when I
Speaker 1: look at that situation is the whole fact that you
Speaker 1: don't know how he can get injured during the process
Speaker 1: of it. Let's say he goes on the field and
Speaker 1: then just not really being and I know the trainers
Speaker 1: and the coaches are not really going to put him
Speaker 1: out there if they don't feel that he's ready to go,
Speaker 1: but there's always that you just have to be very
Speaker 1: cautious and have a lot of precaution with this whole thing,
Speaker 1: which absolutely broke my heart last year just seeing the
Speaker 1: whole process of it. You see a guy that's big
Speaker 1: and tough and great on the field, and then you
Speaker 1: see how he just starts sloping down and the way
Speaker 1: that he changes, even the way he was walking, you know,
Speaker 1: limping around, and it's really sad. And the amount of
Speaker 1: muscle that he lost, like muscle, um, what do you
Speaker 1: call that, muscle masks or whatever. It was really sad
Speaker 1: to see. And I hope that this offseason he's able
Speaker 1: to you know, get back to where he needs to be.
Speaker 1: They missed him in the red zone, yeah, oh, they
Speaker 1: missed They missed him when they got down inside the
Speaker 1: five yard line and all of a sudden you had
Speaker 1: to cut a defense in half. You know. You missed
Speaker 1: him in the running game on some of those days
Speaker 1: where they needed to run the football a little bit
Speaker 1: better than they did, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: couldn't get Looney to the second level. Nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: Joe Looney. Joe Looney was like my kind of my
Speaker 1: dark horse MVP, because this thing could have been an
Speaker 1: absolute disaster for the Cowboys at center, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: because Joe Looney was able to hold it together. They
Speaker 1: missed the communication, They missed the ability though to say
Speaker 1: to cut a defense in half, and they missed him
Speaker 1: on the goal line for his ability to snatch wide
Speaker 1: techniques when they were trying to run the ball to
Speaker 1: the edge. You know, some of those times that maybe
Speaker 1: they would run a little bit different player had a
Speaker 1: different idea if they had a center that they knew
Speaker 1: could grab a three technique, you know, and cut that
Speaker 1: off and make sure and give them that gap. Those
Speaker 1: are the things that you missed with Travis Frederick playing
Speaker 1: for your football team. And a lot of that though, is,
Speaker 1: like I said, you could talk about play calling. The
Speaker 1: guy lost his job because of play calling. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with execution, and
Speaker 1: an execution was also meaning that those five guys running
Speaker 1: sometimes those tight ends didn't exactly do everything that they
Speaker 1: needed to do, and not having Travis Frederick and there
Speaker 1: hurt him for that. You know. One of the things
Speaker 1: he said last night I think is really interesting. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, we can do all the nerve tests we want,
Speaker 1: but without a baseline, we don't know where normal is.
Speaker 1: Everybody's normal is a little bit different. So now it's
Speaker 1: just about working in the weight room, trying to increase
Speaker 1: my strength, and work with the team in the offseason
Speaker 1: as far as conditioning wise, get myself ready to try
Speaker 1: and meet at some point and the rest of the
Speaker 1: team come comes back in March. And April said that
Speaker 1: last night at the Jason Witten Um College Man of
Speaker 1: the Year where that they do here in the Frisco Um,
Speaker 1: which I actually don't even know who won. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got named Dixon from Wisconsin. Yeah, is a good player.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play him film yet. I've seen him,
Speaker 1: have not studied him yet. Senior, Yeah, I would imagine
Speaker 1: y senior. Yeah, it's hard to top last year's yeah
Speaker 1: winner there with Skeem Griffin. Yea yeah, but uh but
Speaker 1: but he had a has an amazing story as well.
Speaker 1: I want to look into that. But Frederick was here,
Speaker 1: you know, is here supporting that, and he's been a
Speaker 1: great teammate all along through through this process. It's got
Speaker 1: to be really difficult, but I thought that was interesting
Speaker 1: about you know, my normal might be different than then
Speaker 1: then maybe Mark Shlaris normal or whatever. So all those
Speaker 1: things are different, and that's the thing. It all. It
Speaker 1: all varies, and so I think the interesting point here
Speaker 1: will just be I think as he comes back, and
Speaker 1: certainly as we start watching him throughout training camp, I
Speaker 1: think everyone has to keep an eye on the fact
Speaker 1: that he even though he's back, he may not be
Speaker 1: the same guy. He may he may not, but you
Speaker 1: have to kind of just kind of allow that process
Speaker 1: to take place and see how long it takes him
Speaker 1: to get back to that point. If you talk to
Speaker 1: the people in the organization, though, they're comfortable with Joe
Speaker 1: Looney now, but they're also comfortable with Redmond, the other
Speaker 1: the backup center as well, the backup center and guards.
Speaker 1: So they feel like though that they could take their
Speaker 1: time with Travis and nobody knows his body better than
Speaker 1: what Travis Frederick. The whole time, he's been very uh
Speaker 1: not say out spoken, but he's been very as far
Speaker 1: as telling the trainers and the doctors, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what I feel, this is what I can do. This
Speaker 1: is you know, this is a guy that we'll do
Speaker 1: everything he can to get back on the field. But
Speaker 1: he's not going to get back on the field until
Speaker 1: he's absolutely ready to get back on the field. He's
Speaker 1: not going to put his team in harm's way just
Speaker 1: going out there and being a seventy percent player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about these free agents. As I mentioned earlier in the show,
Speaker 1: we're going to go through this list. There's actually a
Speaker 1: pretty decent number of unrestricted free agents the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: this year. Only a few of them top name guys,
Speaker 1: but a lot of role players, a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that have roles on this team. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: through this list. I'm gonna throw out a name, and
Speaker 1: then we'll go around the table. I want you to
Speaker 1: tell me whether you think this is a priority to sign,
Speaker 1: whether it is a guy you sign at the right price,
Speaker 1: or if it's a guy that you just say, let's
Speaker 1: move on. All right, Let's start first with the fullback,
Speaker 1: Jama's Olawale. Amber you go first. I mean, I don't,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know what to say with about him.
Speaker 1: He's just one of those guys that UM okay with him,
Speaker 1: but then I'm just as okay without him. So he's
Speaker 1: not someone that I would like, desperately need to get
Speaker 1: him back. I would assume for a good price, it's
Speaker 1: fine bring him back. I don't know, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: it depends what they're gonna try to do with, you know,
Speaker 1: because this team, it's a copycat league, and everyone saw
Speaker 1: what the Patriots again did with their fullback and all that,
Speaker 1: and then they don't have a full back like that here.
Speaker 1: In fact, they don't have a fullbackack can catch that
Speaker 1: in the goal line apparently. Um, but he led the
Speaker 1: team in special teams tackle, so you better replace that
Speaker 1: with somebody else. If you're not gonna, you know, use
Speaker 1: him at that position. They're gonna keep one fullback, so
Speaker 1: you know, on the surface, it's easy to have that
Speaker 1: attitude and be like because he didn't do much on offense,
Speaker 1: but he is. He didn't lead him on special teams.
Speaker 1: He can actually run faster than he than he than
Speaker 1: guys that word number forty nine typically can run, So
Speaker 1: he's got some value. There's the tricky thing though, when
Speaker 1: you start talking about what they can do in offense
Speaker 1: versus what they are able to do on special teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, the hope is to find a guy that
Speaker 1: can do both can be good at both sides. But
Speaker 1: usually that's the biggest like debate when it comes to
Speaker 1: certain guys like that. He falls into Rod Smith. To me,
Speaker 1: the two guys you talk about one and two on
Speaker 1: special teams, tackles and all. That's all great, you know,
Speaker 1: finding dandy, but you know, when I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: to play some play. One of the reasons why you
Speaker 1: just continually hammered ezekiel o it and there's because you
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good option at the back of
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to Rod Smith this year.
Speaker 1: He went from being a guy that I had a
Speaker 1: lot of a promise and hope and all that. But
Speaker 1: I think Ola Walley was the same thing. I think
Speaker 1: they lost a better player. I think Oakland got the
Speaker 1: better player and Keith Smith. Because Keith Smith, I think
Speaker 1: will go in there. He's a glass eater. He'll go
Speaker 1: in there and did guys out. He'll give you a
Speaker 1: little what he has to do. A full back, he'll
Speaker 1: catch the football just as well as olda Wally will
Speaker 1: I and I just think on special teams, yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: if you want to call yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it, a wash. You call it a wash, but
Speaker 1: I think they I think they downgraded with Ola Wally
Speaker 1: and if they're, if they're, and we don't know what
Speaker 1: kind of scheme that we're going to get from Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore and also from John Kittna, and we talk about
Speaker 1: the copycatch stuff. But you know, it's a team that
Speaker 1: wants to play with a fullback. We'll see if they
Speaker 1: want to continue to play with a fullback. But me personally,
Speaker 1: I move on from that one. Yeah, yeah, I move
Speaker 1: on from from that type of fullback. But I think
Speaker 1: when this is a team that needs some red zone
Speaker 1: you know, like some um you know, increased play in
Speaker 1: the red zone, and why not let's give that a
Speaker 1: shot because they do all these tight ends and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But why not see about a fullback? And
Speaker 1: you know, I've been saying it for years, even if
Speaker 1: he's not a real fullback, somebody like a big defensive
Speaker 1: tackle type, just somebody with some some beef that can,
Speaker 1: like can move the pile a little bit. That would
Speaker 1: be interesting. You got some names on that that you
Speaker 1: would that you would like to see Antwine Woods, I
Speaker 1: want to see Antwoine woulds be the middle fullback? He's
Speaker 1: a he's a sneaky good athlete, especially for his size,
Speaker 1: and I think he can he can knock someone out
Speaker 1: of the way. I really getting running down hill. It's
Speaker 1: not a bat and I actually wonder it seemed like,
Speaker 1: and you guys can correct me from wrong. You guys
Speaker 1: were around Amber was not. But back in the eighties
Speaker 1: nineties seemed like there were more teams that were willing
Speaker 1: to do that. Obviously refrigerator Perry, but it seemed like
Speaker 1: that was more of a thing that teams were maybe
Speaker 1: willing to do back then than what we've seen recently
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Is that the way you see it
Speaker 1: or I don't remember much in the eighties and Parcels
Speaker 1: actually would do it a little bit. I mean, he
Speaker 1: had a guy named Jay Ratler before Jay was even
Speaker 1: even playing. He played him at tight end. Some, he
Speaker 1: played Marcus Spears some on the He would do that
Speaker 1: a little bit when he when he needed to. Mike Vrabel, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they have a guy that Watt. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: athletic guy. J. J. Watts got more touchdown receptions than
Speaker 1: a lot of receivers in this league. And the Bears
Speaker 1: this year did it with four at one point, they
Speaker 1: had four defensive players on one play. Yeah, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: On one offensive one offensive play they had four guys
Speaker 1: and their Khalil Mack was one of them. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: do a lot of you know, but you gotta be
Speaker 1: able to practice. You gotta be able to spend that
Speaker 1: time to do it. This also, it's into the point
Speaker 1: of where you have to ask a discussion or it
Speaker 1: has to be asked, if does Ezekiel Eliot feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with a guy He's so used to playing without a fullback.
Speaker 1: He's used to how he reads and how quickly he reads.
Speaker 1: And if you get a guy like Ola Wally or
Speaker 1: any fullback that doesn't is not very decisive and where
Speaker 1: he needs to be and where he needs to fit,
Speaker 1: it messes up. You're running back to where he hits
Speaker 1: the hole. So someone needs to ask Ezekiel. I'll let
Speaker 1: the question, Okay, do you feel comfortable or would you
Speaker 1: rather it just let's hand you the ball with no
Speaker 1: lead blocker and then you find the gap, which he's
Speaker 1: been able to do throughout his career. Well, that's why
Speaker 1: you have training camp for you. Try it out, check
Speaker 1: it out, see how it works, and then we all
Speaker 1: talk about it and then they don't do it all right, right, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is working great? Yes, then what the heart training camp?
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, Brian, you did talk about
Speaker 1: the next guy, Rod Smith? Already? Nick Amber talking to
Speaker 1: me about ros Smith? Is he a prior already got
Speaker 1: for you right price or you just move on? He's
Speaker 1: not a priority guy at all. I don't even think
Speaker 1: he's a right price. And there's nothing against him at all.
Speaker 1: I think everybody likes him. He's a fun guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably helping the in the you know,
Speaker 1: development of Jalen Smith being here and all that. I
Speaker 1: think Jalen's gonna be fine, um, but but I think
Speaker 1: rod Smith might be better in a different offense. And
Speaker 1: it's harder to say that when we don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what kind of offense there's gonna be. But we all
Speaker 1: know when when Zeke comes off the field, it's like okay,
Speaker 1: because it just it just goes backwards. It doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't just keep it keep it rolling. So you need
Speaker 1: a better backup running back. Rod Smith was at one
Speaker 1: time when they were running him in the preseason. You
Speaker 1: talk about training camp in preseasons and stuff. There was hope.
Speaker 1: There was some hope where and then you watch even
Speaker 1: the Giants game last year, you're thinking, Okay, this guy's
Speaker 1: turned the corner and he's gonna you can use him more.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be tougher, he's gonna he didn't run with
Speaker 1: toughness this year. He really didn't. He didn't run like
Speaker 1: with the violence that he normally and he normally plays with.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there was a problem. I
Speaker 1: don't think there was an injury problem again ambars, right,
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna put hurt players out there
Speaker 1: they're on the field. But I do know there was
Speaker 1: something not right with Rod Smith because he wasn't clearly
Speaker 1: the player that we all thought he would be when
Speaker 1: he first came here. Yeah, I was really excited going
Speaker 1: into last year, the fact that he was a backup
Speaker 1: and some of the things that I was able to
Speaker 1: see that we were able to watch last year two
Speaker 1: years ago, right, Yeah, when Sike wasn't here and he
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity, and then throughout the season, I thought,
Speaker 1: well maybe, and I know you have to take advantage
Speaker 1: of the opportunities you're given and whatever, even if you
Speaker 1: play one snap, like make the most out of it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there was a period what
Speaker 1: I started wondering, I'm like, maybe they're just not giving
Speaker 1: him a little bit like more to kind of get going,
Speaker 1: get the leg running, warm up and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you need a
Speaker 1: guy that can make it happen, even if it's one
Speaker 1: play or two plays. And unfortunately that didn't play out
Speaker 1: that way this year, like Brian said, not sure what
Speaker 1: happened because we had hope. Yeah, Rams are a great
Speaker 1: example of how you can take advantage of a second
Speaker 1: running back, right, I think, and I think they're also
Speaker 1: an example of why you need a second running back
Speaker 1: is because if you if they keep running, I think,
Speaker 1: if they keep running Zeke at the clip that they ran. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: either either you're gonna have to or I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna either want to get him more help or you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to get him more help because you're gonna
Speaker 1: beat him so bad that he's gonna have to be out.
Speaker 1: It's not just the Rams, it's also the Patriots too,
Speaker 1: you know. But what I like about what the Rams
Speaker 1: and Patriots do with the running back is that when
Speaker 1: the guy comes in the game, nothing really changes. They
Speaker 1: can still do the same thing with White as they
Speaker 1: can do with Sony Michelle and even in Rex Birkhead.
Speaker 1: They can do the same things with Anderson that now
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be as dynamic as Girling, but he,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still it's effective. And with rod Smith
Speaker 1: it's not the same. You can't play the same type
Speaker 1: of way with ze because he's not a different type
Speaker 1: of back. Now, I'm not saying you can go find
Speaker 1: another Zeke, but you can find another guy that's a
Speaker 1: little bit shorter, squattier, you know, got that strong, strong leg,
Speaker 1: strong power. Um rod Smith, he doesn't really look like
Speaker 1: there's a reason why he doesn't really look like a
Speaker 1: running back. Those aren't what typical running backs look like.
Speaker 1: And there's only a few Adrian Peterson's that are six
Speaker 1: three six four that can play the posit. The Straff
Speaker 1: will offer you that opportunity. Yeah, and that's why, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you go find a guy. Absolutely all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take our first break, We're gonna come back. We've got
Speaker 1: a whole list of guys who are going to get
Speaker 1: into including Tavon Austin and COLEBIZI. We talked about that
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Speaker 1: we'll talking free agency, talking about all the Cowboys free
Speaker 1: agents that they have that'll be up this year. The
Speaker 1: date is March thirteenth, when the calendar year flips, and
Speaker 1: at that point they will have from to make yeah,
Speaker 1: four weeks from today, and may have a lot of
Speaker 1: decisions to make about these players. We've talked about jamaz Old,
Speaker 1: Wally rod Smith. Now let's talk about the wide receivers,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, Cole Bezelin. I figure we can talk about
Speaker 1: these as a package, because I don't think you guys
Speaker 1: can correct me if you disagree. But I don't think
Speaker 1: Cowboys signed both of them. I think the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: sign one or neither. So I want you to talk
Speaker 1: about them kind of as a package. Which of them
Speaker 1: is priority of either which of them would be at
Speaker 1: the right price, and which of them would or which
Speaker 1: or both would you move on from. Let's start with you, Brian.
Speaker 1: You know what I've I've kind of gone back and
Speaker 1: forth on this in my head because I'm starting to
Speaker 1: look at these kids in the college draft and realize
Speaker 1: there's options there as well for you to go if
Speaker 1: you want to. If you don't want to pay Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley six seven million dollars a year, you can surely
Speaker 1: go and get a an option that you know for
Speaker 1: the next you know, maybe three or four years. That's
Speaker 1: a lot cheaper. Similar type of players, guys that are
Speaker 1: high volume catchers, uh, you know, are comfortable running inside routes.
Speaker 1: I think there's obviously some options now if you look
Speaker 1: at too potentially you know what's going on with Golden Tate.
Speaker 1: You know, I think if you if you start to say, okay,
Speaker 1: now the market has Golden Tate, Beasley, uh the kid
Speaker 1: down in uh down in Tampa as well involved, you know,
Speaker 1: Humphreys is his name. If you get four or five
Speaker 1: of those on the market and then get college options
Speaker 1: and stuff, we'll see where Cole Beasley falls. Yeah, but but, but,
Speaker 1: but but it's seven million dollars a year. I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out because I know I have options. I've got
Speaker 1: other things that I and you know, this this team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley has been a nice player for this team.
Speaker 1: But maybe Cole Beasley has worn out his welcome here,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's time to move on from that.
Speaker 1: You know, I understand how competitive he is, how he
Speaker 1: wants the football. I get all that. But there's other
Speaker 1: options out there too, And the fact that I know
Speaker 1: that I have other options makes me want to content
Speaker 1: wants me to move on from that. So you mentioned
Speaker 1: that seven million dollar number. Can you give me a
Speaker 1: number that you would feel comfortable with. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'll pay him what
Speaker 1: he currently makes. He's thirty years old, you know, currently
Speaker 1: his average per years about three point four, So you're
Speaker 1: willing to pay him maybe three point five. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going to sit there and pay
Speaker 1: him six million dollars a year. I'm just not gonna
Speaker 1: do that's probably not gonna do it most and no
Speaker 1: to me, I love you, and I also loved you know,
Speaker 1: I loved Anthony Hitchins too, you know, as a big
Speaker 1: fan of Anthy Hitchins. But all of a sudden, when
Speaker 1: you start saying I have to pay that, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: move on you. Look, I think your linebackers got better
Speaker 1: with with Anthi Hitchins walking out the door. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: hard not doing right. That's a good statement right there.
Speaker 1: But they also invested a first round pick. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: obviously they can't do that, but they invested a first
Speaker 1: round pick in and Marii Cooper, and so they did
Speaker 1: invest a first round pick. I think Brian's right on
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm not paying him. I'm not paying
Speaker 1: him for what he's done, because if you have to
Speaker 1: pay these guys, and that's what Jerry got in trouble
Speaker 1: for back in the mid nineties. You know, he's loyal
Speaker 1: to his players, and he paid them contracts for what
Speaker 1: they have done and not for what they they are
Speaker 1: projected to be. And at thirty years old and a
Speaker 1: guy that's been banged up and he's heard, you know,
Speaker 1: every year just a little bit. He makes some plays,
Speaker 1: he gets he gets taken out of games. It's not
Speaker 1: worth six or seven million a year. I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't. He's not that that proven to me. Um,
Speaker 1: seventy five catches. Yeah, that that was a that was
Speaker 1: a great year. But you're like the third or fourth option,
Speaker 1: you know, and I just I wouldn't pay that much.
Speaker 1: I would I would say, will pay you three to
Speaker 1: four million. Um, So go go see what's out there,
Speaker 1: just like Terrence Williams did a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: comes back. You come back. That's actually a great point
Speaker 1: when you talk about the option, like third or fourth option.
Speaker 1: Can a team? Can any team afford to pay a
Speaker 1: third or fourth option six seven million dollars? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: especially when you got so many guys within the next
Speaker 1: two years that will be up that are high price
Speaker 1: guys that you would have to pay big money if
Speaker 1: you're going to retain their services. It does make you
Speaker 1: wonder is it worth paying that fourth third goes to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna have a blowout? Yere Cincinnati listis,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just Cincinnati. He'll have the year
Speaker 1: he's been had. Okay, what if he what if he
Speaker 1: goes to Miami, he'll probably have what what if he
Speaker 1: goes to New England, He's probably gonna have a really
Speaker 1: good I mean, that's that's that's what. But you know,
Speaker 1: the guy, there's only probably three or four of those
Speaker 1: kind of teams where you're like, I can have a
Speaker 1: really good year if he goes there, because the quarterback
Speaker 1: will use him the right way. Guy makes a New
Speaker 1: England makes about six and a half million dollars a year. Edelman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they get that kind of production about him. You
Speaker 1: know a couple of years ago Edelman and a Mendola. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're both doing that. Not teams can can play like that,
Speaker 1: and um so yeah, he could go to New England
Speaker 1: and a a Mendola is a great example because look at
Speaker 1: what Avendola was doing when he was with the with
Speaker 1: New England and what has he done since. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, it's a big difference. And so, yeah,
Speaker 1: if he goes to one of those teams, which if
Speaker 1: if he wants to play and really get maximum, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever it is with aximum playing out of whatever situation,
Speaker 1: He's probably going to be looking at those kinds of
Speaker 1: situations and seeing if they are willing to bring him
Speaker 1: in for the count of money he want. He needs
Speaker 1: to go with a really good, established, accurate quarterback. Good
Speaker 1: sounds like the same conversation we're having. Established and accurate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that guy right here is that's we
Speaker 1: would call Dak that he was not established. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's on his way. He's not accuracy, he's
Speaker 1: not his best thing. He needs to go to a
Speaker 1: quarterback that that probably would be a little bit more accurate.
Speaker 1: Let me correct myself. That's he makes four point six
Speaker 1: million a year. Edelman. Edelman, Oh gosh, that's a steel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's a steel. That's a bay
Speaker 1: at disney World or wherever he you know, he's been
Speaker 1: sitting at and he's gonna get a hold out. He
Speaker 1: needs to. He needs to make more than that. That is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a steel like that. But that's if you look,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Patriots, that's if you look
Speaker 1: at how their salary structure is, it's Brady Stefan, Gilmour,
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy, Rod Grinkowski, high Tower, Marcus Cannon. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think have I named an offensive player? I mean
Speaker 1: I've named Brady and Grinkowski, yeah, you know, and I've
Speaker 1: named an offensive tackle. You know, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Julian Elman, he comes down, he said, you know his
Speaker 1: numbers right at you know, uh, four point six, And
Speaker 1: I would suspect if he went to another team you
Speaker 1: would see a similar similar thing, is what you saw
Speaker 1: with Edelman, same thing. Rooks Burke had three million dollars.
Speaker 1: But well, I think you move on from Cole regardless
Speaker 1: of the money, whatever it is, doesn't matter a million year.
Speaker 1: Here's here's why the money doesn't matter to me at
Speaker 1: this point. Cool. He's a great guy, and he's always
Speaker 1: had a great attitude, very very happy, playful guy, good
Speaker 1: guy to be around. But last year there was a
Speaker 1: big noticeable difference in his attitude and the way he
Speaker 1: was feeling being here and everything that was happening at
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. And what's happening in what happened
Speaker 1: in the offense. So you don't really want to have
Speaker 1: a guy that is not content, and I really doubt
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be that is not content, And I
Speaker 1: doubt that the Cowboys would really bend to satisfy his
Speaker 1: needs and what he wants. Are you sure they have not?
Speaker 1: Because are you sure that whatever you were sensing from
Speaker 1: him wasn't because of the offensive coordinator? And now with
Speaker 1: that offensive coordinator gone, maybe he is satisfied with the result,
Speaker 1: because it did sound like to me, at least it
Speaker 1: sound like some of the if you want to read
Speaker 1: behind the lines of what people were saying, I think
Speaker 1: the receivers buying large supported this move. That's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking of that change of offensive coordinator, So
Speaker 1: you would have to check and see what they're thinking
Speaker 1: and maybe if that fits with them then then yeah.
Speaker 1: But if it was to stay how it was as
Speaker 1: far as how they were using him, then it's just
Speaker 1: someone that you're not happy, then don't be here, you know.
Speaker 1: So you go somewhere where you feel happy and you
Speaker 1: feel that you can make a difference and that the
Speaker 1: people that you're with are going to appreciate you and
Speaker 1: take care of you and use you how you want
Speaker 1: to be used. Okay, so let's flip to the other
Speaker 1: guy and see if maybe y'll give him a little
Speaker 1: more love than Cole tay Von Austin. Is he a
Speaker 1: guy as a priority? You think he's a guy at
Speaker 1: the right price. You think he's a guy you just
Speaker 1: move on from. How about a one year veteran minimum deal?
Speaker 1: All right? That? Because I need I'm gonna need a
Speaker 1: punt returner. Yep, I mean I saw a little bit
Speaker 1: of there. I'm I'm gonna saying, listen, man, I paid
Speaker 1: you last year. You played eleven percent of the Snaps,
Speaker 1: ten percent of the snaps. I gave you money last year.
Speaker 1: Do me a favor here? No, seriously, no, I gave
Speaker 1: I gave you seven million dollar ye, No, where I
Speaker 1: gave you seven million dollars last year, my friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, think about that, you know, and you're saying, listen,
Speaker 1: you did. You played ten percent of the Snaps. If
Speaker 1: you want to go out and pick up your life
Speaker 1: and go somewhere else and try somewhere else, good. But
Speaker 1: this is where I'm at right now. You know, this
Speaker 1: is where I think that Stephen Jones comes into play.
Speaker 1: I think Stephen Jones doesn't give an f I really don't.
Speaker 1: I think he's like, you know what a shrewd business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is what's gonna happen with Earl Thomas. I
Speaker 1: think if they really go after Earl Thomas, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be one guy recruiting his rear off
Speaker 1: Chris Roshard and the other guys saying I can only
Speaker 1: give you this much, how much? How badly do you
Speaker 1: want to play here? Do you want to play here? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we can do. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to play here. You know, I'm gonna look at this draft,
Speaker 1: which I've done the last five years now, or I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go find a human log
Speaker 1: out there. You know, I'm gonna go find my pro department,
Speaker 1: find me another guy, is what I'm gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that right there, you can go back and you
Speaker 1: could say, how does the full back affect the safety position? Well,
Speaker 1: affects it? If you go sign Earl Thomas. If you
Speaker 1: sign Earl Thomas, then all of a sudden, who's not starting,
Speaker 1: Probably Jeff Heath, Jeff Heath doesn't start, then Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: is now your core special teams player, which is probably
Speaker 1: his best role anyway back. Now now like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're Rod Smith and you're Ola Wally. You take
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, so it's a domino effect
Speaker 1: in that regard my opinion on Tavon Austin, I'm letting
Speaker 1: him go. I don't think he's gonna help this team.
Speaker 1: I don't think he helped the Rams. I think the
Speaker 1: Rams you saw Sean McVay was like could do and
Speaker 1: then he wanted him out of the picture. Um, I
Speaker 1: agree that whole You've played eleven percent of the snaps,
Speaker 1: but you're asking him to be rational and that that's
Speaker 1: something I haven't really seen. We've seen some other things
Speaker 1: behind the scenes a little bit that are just kind
Speaker 1: of head scratching, and you're you know, well, I'm just true.
Speaker 1: It's not so much the dancing. You know, there were
Speaker 1: other alarms that went off that you know, um, at
Speaker 1: different times that I've never seen before, and so I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I just I think it's time to move
Speaker 1: on there. Yeah, I think so real quick, Brian brought
Speaker 1: up the name. I just want to get your opinions,
Speaker 1: Golden Tap, would you would you go out and try
Speaker 1: to go after a free agent like that, knowing that again,
Speaker 1: if he's coming in here, he certainly isn't jumping over
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper. And what you've seen from Gallop suggests a
Speaker 1: Gallop is a nice young opportunity, I mean, a nice
Speaker 1: young receiver that you want to be able to grow.
Speaker 1: He would be the third receiver. You probably have to
Speaker 1: pay him, probably more money than either one of those two.
Speaker 1: You look at a guy like Golden Tap. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: don't how much you willing to pay him. Like if
Speaker 1: you say you're willing to pay three and a half
Speaker 1: to Cole, okay, willing? Okay, if you told me, I'd
Speaker 1: pay him more than Cole. You know why, because he
Speaker 1: could play on the outside. Cole Beasley can't play on
Speaker 1: the outside. Cole Beasley can barely you know, he barely
Speaker 1: plays When you ask him to do anything on the outside.
Speaker 1: He is a non factor. He's a non factor in
Speaker 1: the red zone. He's a fourth down in five the
Speaker 1: game on the line. Who did they throw the ball
Speaker 1: to in Philadelphia to get to that game to New Orleans?
Speaker 1: Get through it to frigging Golden Tate. That's what they
Speaker 1: threw it to. And people say, oh, he drops the ball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tromps the ball. This guy could play inside outside.
Speaker 1: He is a mean, nasty m effort. I am telling
Speaker 1: you that's what you give me one of those guys
Speaker 1: I really doesn't either. That's see, give me give me
Speaker 1: guys that. It means something too. I'll pay him more
Speaker 1: than cole Bees. You know why because Amber just told me,
Speaker 1: now there's something different about cole Is there something different
Speaker 1: about his attitude? Now? I want a guy that loves football.
Speaker 1: I think Golden Tate loves football. And the problem is
Speaker 1: now that the Lions traded him. You are the Lions
Speaker 1: traded him because they couldn't get a contract. He thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna have a contract done. But let's all
Speaker 1: go back to what he did to us in Week
Speaker 1: three or four, whatever week that was, where you know,
Speaker 1: twelve targets, twelve catches. Let's remember that of a guy
Speaker 1: playing inside and outside. Okay, sign me up. I mean
Speaker 1: the thing about that, and with all the guys that
Speaker 1: they've got to resign, I believe with in free agency
Speaker 1: they could do one of those deals. One of those
Speaker 1: deals where you're gonna be making more than eight million,
Speaker 1: seven to eight million, and it would have be golden tate.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an either. I don't think you
Speaker 1: do that and you can go get your safety. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, you have to make. This is
Speaker 1: a decision. Is your free agent signing. If you did
Speaker 1: outside of your own guys, yeah, outside of it, if
Speaker 1: you did either one of those, I applaud which you've
Speaker 1: done this offseason. You signed Lawrence long term, you go
Speaker 1: get a safety, or you go get that wide receiver
Speaker 1: that now now you're you're you're you're cooking the right way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: either one, either one. You look like you got something
Speaker 1: on your mind. You mean, yeah, what you mean, Sop
Speaker 1: playing out there? Agree with that. But obviously my am
Speaker 1: my priority and what I would want it is Earl
Speaker 1: and the safety guy. A wide receiver. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: just think that I'm just tired of the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: I am just fed up with it. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: hearing about it too many changes. Let's just let let's
Speaker 1: figure out this is it and this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. And I know this is what you do
Speaker 1: during the off season. Did you not like a trade
Speaker 1: to make No, yes, I did. That was a good
Speaker 1: trade with the receivers before the trade. I think what
Speaker 1: what's annoying or frustrating for me was to see that
Speaker 1: whole mess happening during the season. And it's tough to
Speaker 1: say this because it's kind of what needs to happen
Speaker 1: in order for you to really figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they just didn't we're in like
Speaker 1: half figure out, Yeah, when they started the season, It's like,
Speaker 1: that's why you took It took an awful start to
Speaker 1: figure out. You have preseason like, okay, you should have
Speaker 1: a better feel of your wide receiver group by the
Speaker 1: time the seasons start up. With the front office of
Speaker 1: the receivers, I don't know. It's a mixture to make sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just tired of talking about the wide receiver positions.
Speaker 1: They got a Marii Cooper, like you mentioned Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: He he showed a lot of potential there. There's a
Speaker 1: room to grow there and he seems promising. Now let's
Speaker 1: just like fully solidify this and keep improving on Dak,
Speaker 1: keep working Dack out. I have junkin that he should
Speaker 1: be able to do that and take care of that.
Speaker 1: But I just want to lock this out down, lock
Speaker 1: it down, and kind of move on from that aspect
Speaker 1: of things and just okay, we're done with it. I
Speaker 1: just jumped on the table for Golden Take. Jump on
Speaker 1: the table for the safety. Jump on the table, and
Speaker 1: tell me why they should get this. Okay, Well, why
Speaker 1: shouldn't you? Yeah, that's the question there. Why shouldn't you?
Speaker 1: I mean the defense. You saw a great amount of
Speaker 1: change this past year of growth and how they were
Speaker 1: able to take it to another level. Now, I think
Speaker 1: that what really really would just take it right where
Speaker 1: they need to be is to have a guy like
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas playing the way that he played, And of
Speaker 1: course we got to see how he is after the injury.
Speaker 1: But even then, go ahead, go you guys. Just set
Speaker 1: Golden Take comes in here and is probably the third
Speaker 1: receiver at least from a slot. Now you can play
Speaker 1: on the outside on a running team with the best
Speaker 1: running back in the league in my opinion, and a
Speaker 1: running team that needs to get a better backup. Um.
Speaker 1: But then you'd have a slot guy that could help.
Speaker 1: He'd help on the outside. He'd be good Earl Thomas
Speaker 1: comes in. He would be your best safety you've had
Speaker 1: since Darren Woodson. So and a guy that gives you
Speaker 1: something that this team lacks in the secondary, which is takeaways.
Speaker 1: And he's proven to do that. He proved it twice
Speaker 1: in the in the in the game. Um and so,
Speaker 1: I it's a great it's a great debate. But I
Speaker 1: think you you you're really fixing more of a problem
Speaker 1: over here than you would be at the at the
Speaker 1: receiver if you didn't do the Cooper thing last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that changes everything. Well, if you did do the Cooper thing,
Speaker 1: you're you're in the ab sweepstakes, don't you think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're up. Yeah, you're talking about moving a pick, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: or drafted and you know, and the way it looks
Speaker 1: right now, there's not a first round receiver on that board.
Speaker 1: So this is a great movie all the way around
Speaker 1: this there's not there. It's not just Brian broad Us
Speaker 1: saying this, it's guys all around the league saying, I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a first round receiver on this board? Wow?
Speaker 1: You know and that and that right there, So that
Speaker 1: that's that's where you know you you Yeah, good for Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get out pretty high pick. But the problem
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh running into is they're not training for people. Aren't
Speaker 1: training for a twenty four year old receiver, training for
Speaker 1: a thirty year old, thirty thirty one year old receiver.
Speaker 1: That right, thirty thirty one year old receiver that can
Speaker 1: be at times a malcontent. Very true, yep, very true.
Speaker 1: That's a problem. All right, let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We got a few more names you
Speaker 1: gotta get through on this list. Of course, we got
Speaker 1: to talk about DeMarcus Lawrence. Well does that when we
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Speaker 1: I have one sweaty weggie. Yeah it's not cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're fishing, fishing outside, sweggie. That's how you got Tommy Johns. Though.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys real quick question. I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about a defensive end. I talk about
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Yeah, the kids Simmons at Michigan, at Mississippi
Speaker 1: State towards ACL yesterday, he's like a top ten pick
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. Are you guys gonna jump on board
Speaker 1: and talk about drafting maybe a top ten pick, because
Speaker 1: we've that's what they do in the second round. Like
Speaker 1: that's everybody's okay on this man. That's you know, if
Speaker 1: if you're telling me he legitimately is a top fifteen pick,
Speaker 1: he is, there's no question, then yeah, bring bringing him on.
Speaker 1: So and I will sit and wait for him to
Speaker 1: get healthy, and then I will have myself at Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith two point zero. He's not going to play at
Speaker 1: all in twenty nineteen. I don't care. Okay, you have
Speaker 1: a good football team. You have a good football team
Speaker 1: that's already young. I don't care always thinking about the
Speaker 1: future health. I got an Antoine Woods, you had the
Speaker 1: idea for another year, So I'm okay with that. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, we got it. We got a distainer here.
Speaker 1: I think when you got a good deal like that,
Speaker 1: that you can steal some good talent. Obviously you've seen
Speaker 1: it worked out down the line, and yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: But what I say, yeah, hate is the idea of
Speaker 1: always thinking about the future that far ahead. When you
Speaker 1: have like let's think about now, let's figure out this
Speaker 1: year and figure out how to win this year, and
Speaker 1: shake your head all you want but save the head
Speaker 1: coach Amberson, to save the head coach program. But that
Speaker 1: is that is this program, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1: He is he wants nothing to do this gas. When
Speaker 1: we that, we get to see the fans talk about
Speaker 1: it on Twitter and stuff, and me, obviously havn't been
Speaker 1: a fan since I was born or type of thing,
Speaker 1: like I wasn't born here, bless you. But but when
Speaker 1: you look at people like that that they've been with
Speaker 1: this team for so many years, and then you start thinking, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is for the future. Like we're at the point
Speaker 1: that I feel that the fans are so saturated with
Speaker 1: the whole situation. It needs to happen and needs to happen,
Speaker 1: and let's just focus about now that all makes sense
Speaker 1: and that's great, But then you don't have Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna do right. Then you don't have
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence if you're not gonna do that. There are
Speaker 1: a ton of guys that the Cowboys are selected in
Speaker 1: the second round. There's a reason why they're in the
Speaker 1: second round. Lee is another one. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you can say that, but some of the best players
Speaker 1: that have been on this team in the last five
Speaker 1: to ten years are guys that they select in the
Speaker 1: second round because they had here concerns and they were like,
Speaker 1: we will accept that, and we will we know we
Speaker 1: will benefit on the other end. Yes, that's that's a
Speaker 1: good argument. And but at the same time, you gotta
Speaker 1: think the other players that are your great talent, they're
Speaker 1: worrying out too. Yeah, years are passing by, they're not
Speaker 1: getting any younger. You know, she's she's not wrong. I
Speaker 1: get it. I think she. I think she us three
Speaker 1: here are thinking about yeah, a future, future, future. She's
Speaker 1: honestly lined up with what the fans thinking about. The
Speaker 1: fan is tired of talking about twenty five years without
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, yep, or even sniffing a conference championship.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. If you if you,
Speaker 1: let's assume for a second, you get Earl Thomas or
Speaker 1: you get the receiver, right, you get one of those
Speaker 1: two guys. Yeah, let's say you resigned tank Um, do
Speaker 1: you feel like next year defensive tackle position and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you would still maybe get another defensive tackle a
Speaker 1: little free agency something that you hope. Do you think
Speaker 1: that you would be prohibited from getting to a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl running Malie Collins and Antoine Woods out there next
Speaker 1: year knowing that you got this guy sitting what happened
Speaker 1: to you the MS, what happened to you in the
Speaker 1: Rams game? So you're not playing him next year? No,
Speaker 1: I am. But the thing is he's a guy that
Speaker 1: husband injured reoccurring injury, the same one, and it's something
Speaker 1: that David Irving you cannot rely on. Well, you've moved
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Though we were, we werena moving
Speaker 1: on from him. No, No, we were putting our eggs
Speaker 1: in our basket for that guy. Yeah, yeah, okay, But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make so it sounds like you
Speaker 1: guys are all bored for bringing it in anbar about
Speaker 1: the fan. I'm looking at the second round picks. There's
Speaker 1: no second round pick that's come in here that's helped
Speaker 1: this team like immediately that they don't help, even to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence, did you come help immediately? And so Gregory didn't,
Speaker 1: Jalen didn't. Jason Garrett didn't want to hear that, right,
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to hear him right, right. I mean
Speaker 1: he's getting nothing out of the draft. Probably Jason Gooen
Speaker 1: in the room please, we're gonna conduct this draft without you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well it may or may not affect I
Speaker 1: heard there's some real good catfish the serving line. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on Jeff Swain. Is he a priority guy?
Speaker 1: Right price guy? Or move on from him? Great price? Okay,
Speaker 1: moving on, you're moving on? Yeah, I am bad enough.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to I think I can
Speaker 1: continually upgrade the position. Again, I have the advantage of
Speaker 1: you guys right now because I've seen some tight ends
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, and I feel like that if
Speaker 1: you look at a couple of them, if you know
Speaker 1: Sternberger not a from Georgia, those two guys, by the way,
Speaker 1: Draft show eleven am tomorrow check us out to it.
Speaker 1: But but but there's tight ends in this draft where
Speaker 1: I think that if you paired one of those guys
Speaker 1: with Blake Jarwin and then also with Dalton Schultz. Now
Speaker 1: we're now we're humming along here. Now we're you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I think Jeff Swain, I think he did.
Speaker 1: He came in here and trust me, he's the only
Speaker 1: guy that was that got Dame Bruger got stumped by
Speaker 1: didn't have a report and he's played far beyond his
Speaker 1: expectations of here and even watch Texas. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: have it. I didn't. We will. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: didn't use him much in a way where you would
Speaker 1: notice him at Texas. And he probably might, like Nick say,
Speaker 1: might get a one year deal to come back and
Speaker 1: be all that. You know, if that's fine, But I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm gonna go try and draft me
Speaker 1: a guy to kind of build with the other two
Speaker 1: tight ends. I got all right, we got only a
Speaker 1: few more minutes. Let's let's move to shut up this camp. No,
Speaker 1: no, no no, it's okay, Cam Fleming Amber. Which way would
Speaker 1: you go on him? Ah? Yeah, yeah, one year deal,
Speaker 1: one year deal, one year deal, another Yeah, you're yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like another one of those guys, just like Swain too.
Speaker 1: It's just like I'm fine with having them back a
Speaker 1: good price or whatever. But obviously looking forward, looking into
Speaker 1: the draft, and see you just add more people, create
Speaker 1: some competition. Let's see what happens. She's right about the draft.
Speaker 1: There's some tackles in the draft in the middle of
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, I bring him back. I bring him
Speaker 1: back because I want to get him an off season
Speaker 1: with Mark Colombo different, you know, mindset than they had
Speaker 1: last year. And it's easy to say, ask someone else,
Speaker 1: but I'd like to see who that person is. So
Speaker 1: and we know how important to swing tackle questions left tackle?
Speaker 1: You know how important that swing tackle is. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that you probably want to consider very heavily.
Speaker 1: If you're not gonna have him back, you better have
Speaker 1: a really really good option other one or coach Connor
Speaker 1: Williams up real well. Right, he was drafted, Kevin, he
Speaker 1: was signed before Connor Williams. He's not gonna make you
Speaker 1: not draft the player. Like when they saw Connor, they
Speaker 1: were like, oh what about swimming? Okay, you know, and
Speaker 1: that same thing will happen here for a third or
Speaker 1: fourth round tackle that they like. They'll just because whatever
Speaker 1: they signed him to won't be like committed to keep
Speaker 1: one year be good? Yeah? All right? Uh, Marcus Smart,
Speaker 1: we didn't see him play this year. He was injured
Speaker 1: in training camp. Let him go walk away, all right? Uh?
Speaker 1: David Irving, any takers, no none? Go Amber okay, let
Speaker 1: me no no, no, let me say something real good.
Speaker 1: And I talked to you because she's concerned about MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins and she's not wrong. Yes, and he's a he's
Speaker 1: a he's a really good defensive tackle. Remember that I've
Speaker 1: been ready to move on. But in today at four o'clock,
Speaker 1: that's what happened at her Like someone got me thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, how about do you see this being
Speaker 1: a similar situation or scenario even though different stories, different things,
Speaker 1: But as to what happened to Randy Gregory to where
Speaker 1: a lot of us were kind of ready to move
Speaker 1: on from him and say no, he's done. And when
Speaker 1: I hear it comment like that, it makes you think, okay,
Speaker 1: you do want to jump on that boat like you're
Speaker 1: done with him. But at the same time you get
Speaker 1: to think of those situations and always keep an open mind. See,
Speaker 1: I think this is one of those areas for me
Speaker 1: that's kind of great. I would not have a problem
Speaker 1: with having him back. I would need to see a
Speaker 1: total commitment on his part this offseason that shows me
Speaker 1: not not one of your words. I would have to
Speaker 1: see see a total commitment from him this offseason that
Speaker 1: suggested to me that he wanted to be here. So
Speaker 1: if I were doing something in him, it would be
Speaker 1: a one term, one year deal with a ton of
Speaker 1: incentives and he's gonna have to earn every single time
Speaker 1: by showing up, by playing, by playing, well, that's how
Speaker 1: he would make his money. And if he's willing to
Speaker 1: do that kind of deal, then his talent makes me
Speaker 1: say I would keep him around for another year just
Speaker 1: to see watch because there could have been a lot
Speaker 1: of things going on there. There was the personal life
Speaker 1: kind of stuff going on around him. We didn't know
Speaker 1: the whole details of that, and so maybe there was
Speaker 1: some of that that really can be debilitating. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I really don't know, So I would I
Speaker 1: would want at least try it that way and see
Speaker 1: if I could. You sound like the front office the
Speaker 1: coaches are saying, audios. I know, yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, because you're not the one that has to
Speaker 1: go in the room and talk the rest of those
Speaker 1: guys when they're seeing this guy not show up. You
Speaker 1: handle that, Okay, you handle that? What's the problem? Why
Speaker 1: aren't you handling that? Right? Yeah? All right, Dayton Jones.
Speaker 1: I got to move on, all right, DeMarcus Lawrence. And
Speaker 1: obviously we could stop down on this one for a
Speaker 1: little while, but I think it's pretty as those other
Speaker 1: ones were pretty cut and dry. I think this one
Speaker 1: is pretty cutting dry as well. Right, what Dayton Jones.
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, that they like him and if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have Irving back, and you know they
Speaker 1: they actually there's a place for him because he's an
Speaker 1: athletic player. He's a former first round pick, athletic player
Speaker 1: at tackle, can get up the field. With Woods coming
Speaker 1: back from injury, I don't think that they just you know,
Speaker 1: they would love to get some cheap deal for him
Speaker 1: and maybe bring him back. Maybe it's a one year
Speaker 1: deal as well as you get throwing Koran Read with
Speaker 1: that too. He's also an undrestricted. See now now I'm
Speaker 1: moving on from Karan Read and those guys. If you
Speaker 1: tell me Jones is coming back, I will take Jones
Speaker 1: over Karan Read. That's just because because you already know
Speaker 1: what you what I've seen Karan replay, Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for which not a bad player, yea, he was
Speaker 1: okay at times, But you think you can get more
Speaker 1: production out of Dayton Jones absolutely absolute healthy. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: let's move on to a couple of linebackers here. Justin
Speaker 1: March Lillard, I just feel like, you know, Hello, Chris Cummington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bryan Broad, it's nice to meet you. You've draft go
Speaker 1: out there to play. Well, you're gonna draft another one.
Speaker 1: You're Joe Thomas, Chris Covington. You've got two quality starting linebackers.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. We'll add one down the road. Let
Speaker 1: me let me do one that's a little tougher, maybe
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson. Do you do with him? With with me?
Speaker 1: I say, go test the market? Yeah, see what's out there.
Speaker 1: If you give this deal, congratulations, I just think I
Speaker 1: just don't think you're it. Did something great? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been here four years and and and again. His
Speaker 1: most famous moments aren't aren't really positive. I just don't
Speaker 1: you didn't he didn't play like Hitchens, same round, same
Speaker 1: conference that drafted from. Didn't play like Hitchens. Hi, Chris,
Speaker 1: Chris Covi did not you again? Yeah, exactly? Let him walk? Now?
Speaker 1: Are you at all concerned about the depth there at
Speaker 1: that position, because we don't Sean Lee obviously isn't an
Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent, but you would assume something's gonna be
Speaker 1: done with him from this. You know what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: reducing his money if he's willing to do that. That's
Speaker 1: the idea. I think Sean Lee would. I think Lee
Speaker 1: would work with you. I think Sean Lee's willing to work.
Speaker 1: I don't think Sean Lee's done playing football. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though, it was a little bit red
Speaker 1: flaggish to me. He wasn't as good when he came
Speaker 1: back with injury from injury. He wasn't the same type
Speaker 1: as Shaun Lee. If you're telling me I could cut
Speaker 1: his salary in half and have him come back, I
Speaker 1: think over there they would love to have Sean leeback,
Speaker 1: but I can't have him back at seven million dollars
Speaker 1: a year, right easy. And so you don't feel like
Speaker 1: if you got Sean Leeback, you don't find you're you're
Speaker 1: at all exposed by letting these two guys walk. Now,
Speaker 1: I go with Joe Thomas, and I'm trusting my pro
Speaker 1: guys are gonna find me another Joe Thomas. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, good final one, LP Latissore. I'm bringing him back,
Speaker 1: bringing him back now. I do think he wants a
Speaker 1: two year deal. He's not gonna do another one year deal.
Speaker 1: But you know what do that? Yeah? I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean I understand what happened in Washington. That was a
Speaker 1: weird thing. Not his fault at all. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's about as consistent as you can get what
Speaker 1: he might be the best at his job of anybody
Speaker 1: on this team. If you just say you're what's your job,
Speaker 1: He's got the job. Yeah, but have a bad snap, Yeah,
Speaker 1: have a bad snap before we can really say that.
Speaker 1: And also he will get down there and make it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna make a play. But he's not
Speaker 1: a liability, Nope, running down there. And that's that's part
Speaker 1: of the long snapping ability. All good things start with
Speaker 1: the snap, the snap, the hold, the kick. If one
Speaker 1: of those things gets jacked up, it's usually a disaster, right.
Speaker 1: You know, you can usually survive the bad hold, you
Speaker 1: can't survive the bad snap. This guy, this guy forever.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to talk about him. Yeah, personality wise,
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about him. But but still,
Speaker 1: but still, you know, he's the type of guy that
Speaker 1: when he comes on the field, you know there's something consistent.
Speaker 1: You don't you're not thinking it's gonna be oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bowling class today. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna bowl it back there. Yeah, you know, Chris Jones
Speaker 1: is a damn good holder too, and the reason why
Speaker 1: you can kind of have a kicker chance. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think there was a kicking contest summer. I
Speaker 1: gotta pay better attention to practice. I'm sorry about watching that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Yeah, but anyway, don't take that
Speaker 1: for granted. I bring him back. If it's a two
Speaker 1: year deal, go ahead. Yeah, it's worth it to me
Speaker 1: not to have those problems. Okay, Now all that being said,
Speaker 1: to wrap up, he's like a good backup quarterback. To
Speaker 1: wrap up this conversation, we're gonna take DeMarcus Lawrence out
Speaker 1: of this mix. Tell me the one guy on this
Speaker 1: list that would be the most important signing this offseason
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. That one right there, LP hit me
Speaker 1: handles to me, and that just goes to show that
Speaker 1: you don't need a lot of those guys. You'd be okay,
Speaker 1: yeah if yeah, Well, that's the one guy there that
Speaker 1: you can absolutely rely on, like and and no, he's
Speaker 1: a constant guy. There's no question about his ability to
Speaker 1: do what he needs to do. But I'll say this,
Speaker 1: though they had a backup the guys that have come
Speaker 1: in that that are backup snappers at training camp have
Speaker 1: done good, good things. One of them was in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Casey Crider was in the Pro Bowl. Another
Speaker 1: one Scott Daley, who here a couple of years exactly
Speaker 1: in that new league right now. I think for San
Speaker 1: Antonio's team, so you know, they would find another snapper,
Speaker 1: they'd find a good one. You know, you just keep
Speaker 1: finding them. But um, but it's just scary. It's a
Speaker 1: scary world when you when you dip your toe in
Speaker 1: that pool and then someone pushes you in, you can't
Speaker 1: swim that. That's hard. I mean, I I just think
Speaker 1: that the whole operation is because of LP laudasor you know,
Speaker 1: and the minute they start bowlering back there, then the
Speaker 1: minute we need to say that was a bad idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say for me, Cam Fleming is that guy.
Speaker 1: And again it's because when I look at the importance
Speaker 1: of the role on this that role on this team,
Speaker 1: we've seen what can happen when that role isn't isn't
Speaker 1: somebody that can actually play. And I don't think he's great.
Speaker 1: I think he's the perfect backup tackle though. I think
Speaker 1: he's got some wartz. But if you put him in there,
Speaker 1: you feel pretty good that you're not going to have
Speaker 1: one of those days that the Cowboys had in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: In it, right, you're not gonna have that kind of day.
Speaker 1: You can hole, you can steady the ship, even if
Speaker 1: you you lose your all. I'll say this about tight end.
Speaker 1: When last year, when when Hitchens going into free agency,
Speaker 1: linebacker was kind of an issue. There when Hitchen's left
Speaker 1: linebacker was a huge priority. Now you gotta go get
Speaker 1: a guy if they don't resign Swain, which I don't
Speaker 1: think they should or make a big deal that, but
Speaker 1: it even reinforces even more that tight end is a
Speaker 1: huge priority in the draft. You've got to go get
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, Nick, they played games without him,
Speaker 1: they play they won games without him, you know, and
Speaker 1: when he went down and all of a sudden they're winning,
Speaker 1: so that in your heart you're going yeah, yeahs So
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get somebody for depth purposes and
Speaker 1: they like to run three tight end. Right. If you
Speaker 1: think the Rico experiment is kind of over, I think
Speaker 1: I think we should. I think the head coach would
Speaker 1: probably walk in there and tell you, yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to play who we want to play, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's about time to kind of move. This
Speaker 1: would be interesting how they structure this team now with
Speaker 1: a head coach. It's kind of a lame duck head
Speaker 1: coach because do you do you listen to him? In
Speaker 1: this head coaches has done a good job as an evaluator.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie there. I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: to a lot of things I blame him for. I
Speaker 1: am not gonna blame him for his evaluation skills now,
Speaker 1: because here this team is not a talent poor roster.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's not talent poor and a lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do and he talks about he talks
Speaker 1: about collective decisions and all that. That's true. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I've lived it with a head coach carries a big stick.
Speaker 1: Dave Campo just didn't want to hit us over the
Speaker 1: head with a big stick, you know, Parcells, he wanted
Speaker 1: to hit us over the head with a big stick.
Speaker 1: I think Jason Garrett's the same way, and I think
Speaker 1: it'd be really interesting to see with his job on
Speaker 1: the line, Like, Okay, can we take Simmons at fifty
Speaker 1: eight and Oh great, How happy is he gonna look?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna take a bunch of see that ye
Speaker 1: into the war room? Yeah? And Jason's just sitting everbody's
Speaker 1: high fo he's that look he gave when Randy Gargery
Speaker 1: was drafted. You know, the last thing he said, you know,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory said to him was you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about me, coach and Randy we had to worry
Speaker 1: about you know. I don't think we're gonna I don't
Speaker 1: think yeah, I don't think we're seeing any of those.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we appreciate you join us. We're back. Actually,
Speaker 1: we won't be on the show next week. We will
Speaker 1: not be having shows next week. I am a PI
Speaker 1: picking up this team and we are gonna go on
Speaker 1: a little retreat for some R and R. But we
Speaker 1: will be back the week after that. We'll be back
Speaker 1: on the air. We'll combine the week. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: We'll do something. Debby shows, Debby Shows. If you see
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Speaker 1: especially Brian as though he's not already gonna be overserved.
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