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Speaker 2: What up sticks?
Speaker 5: Good morning man, Good morning? How are you doing?
Speaker 2: We are good?
Speaker 3: We are he's old professional today? All professional?
Speaker 5: What are you talking? You know more?
Speaker 3: You aren't. You aren't all professional. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. I don't pay attention
Speaker 3: to social media.
Speaker 5: Got leea, what's going on on my timeline yesterday? I
Speaker 5: don't know, bro. I felt like there was a clashing
Speaker 5: of cultures on my very timeline.
Speaker 3: Cultures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh no, man?
Speaker 5: It was like it was two pros versus up on game,
Speaker 5: and I was in the middle of it.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing about LeVar too, Since LaVar's got a
Speaker 6: Saturday morning show, he will try to be like, hey, whosh,
Speaker 6: why do you go out and reach out about something?
Speaker 6: And an interesting thing about it was he couldn't have
Speaker 6: listened to the clip because what he said clearly meant
Speaker 6: he didn't like. If you listen to it, it literally
Speaker 6: answered his question in it, which is one of the
Speaker 6: reasons why other people started to jump ontom after that.
Speaker 5: I get stressed out on stuff like that. I did
Speaker 5: not I did not facilitate that. I did not instigate that.
Speaker 5: In fact, I did not even look at it. I
Speaker 5: just saw I put I saw you responded, I saw
Speaker 5: he wrote something. I put popcorn on one, I put
Speaker 5: eyes on one, and I said it was two pros
Speaker 5: verses up on get u og and that was it.
Speaker 5: I was out.
Speaker 1: For the people that aren't familiar, we're referring to Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley basically putting the blame on Notre Dame for the
Speaker 1: canceling of the Notre Dame USC rivalry. Brady responded yesterday
Speaker 1: and then well we posted it on social media.
Speaker 5: There was the social media clip Brady giving his opinions
Speaker 5: on it, and people started weighing in on it, and
Speaker 5: one of the persons was TJ. Houch Manzada, who I
Speaker 5: work with on the weekends for Up on Game.
Speaker 6: And here's the thing is, there's no disrespect that comes
Speaker 6: with it. I think oftentimes on social media that's the
Speaker 6: problem is we don't have the opportunity to talk to
Speaker 6: people face to face. It all that, But when you
Speaker 6: kind of go, I don't have a dog in the fight,
Speaker 6: but you went away and it's like, well want to
Speaker 6: set this one out then right, It's like the what's
Speaker 6: the point of weig in.
Speaker 3: If you don't have a dog in the fight.
Speaker 6: And my whole thing with with this entire scenario is
Speaker 6: a look at how much.
Speaker 3: Traction it's gotten. This isn't like my words or anything.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, that's how much this robbery is meant
Speaker 6: to two fan bases.
Speaker 3: That's how much this robbery is.
Speaker 6: Meant to college football really in sports and the history
Speaker 6: behind it and everything else. So I've said what I've
Speaker 6: said on it. I'm sure people are tired of hearing it,
Speaker 6: but you don't have to look any further.
Speaker 3: Than the last night's game.
Speaker 6: If you're a C fan of just disappointment and who
Speaker 6: your head coaches and his lack of being able to deliver.
Speaker 6: But Gil given credit for playing the game. Their raim's
Speaker 6: not playing a ball game. They opted out. So you
Speaker 6: can only say so much as a Notre Dame fan
Speaker 6: in that sense. But I would just generally say this
Speaker 6: the reaction the traction. In a way, it's kind of
Speaker 6: carried the bull season conversation up until these you know,
Speaker 6: quarterfinal games now. But that's how much the robberies meant,
Speaker 6: and that's how much it's meant to college football. So
Speaker 6: it kind of goes to show you like, even people
Speaker 6: who don't have a dog in the fight necessarily want
Speaker 6: to weigh in on it because it's that big of
Speaker 6: a subject.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, but it is bullseason, and I thought last night
Speaker 1: was really the first.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had some bowl games. I mean, the
Speaker 2: star of the show's been the Hawaii You guys both
Speaker 2: know that. I mean that goes unsaid.
Speaker 1: But last night we got Illinois, Brett Beelama getting it done.
Speaker 1: That's a nine win Illinois team. They went on a
Speaker 1: field goal. Then you get to the TCU USC game
Speaker 1: which goes into overtime just you know, piss poor tackling
Speaker 1: towards the end results in a touchdown. It just felt
Speaker 1: like all of that was the prelude to the college
Speaker 1: football Playoff, which kicks off later on tonight.
Speaker 2: Between Miami and Ohio State.
Speaker 1: So it does feel like we're officially here. It is
Speaker 1: bowl season, and we are off and running here getting
Speaker 1: ready for this college football playoff.
Speaker 2: There you guard it up, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: As just say, I don't know how you look at
Speaker 6: bowl seas up to this point, but I think one
Speaker 6: of the things that we always hear throughout the course
Speaker 6: of the year is which conference is the top of
Speaker 6: college football? And with as many teams that are always
Speaker 6: ranked in the top twenty five and as many teams
Speaker 6: that make the playoff, I think there's what five from
Speaker 6: the SEC this year. It always feels like the SEC
Speaker 6: does the better job of marketing their conference and putting
Speaker 6: out this idea that they're better than the rest. And
Speaker 6: at this current moment, the SEC's two and five in
Speaker 6: bowl games the Big Ten six and one, their only
Speaker 6: loss being Southern Cal last night.
Speaker 3: Shocking.
Speaker 6: But this is a trend, by the way that has
Speaker 6: been the case over the last five years, with the
Speaker 6: exception of one year the Big Ten has been better
Speaker 6: than the SEC in the postseason.
Speaker 3: This is an opinion, this is factual.
Speaker 6: Go back to last year, the SEC was eight and
Speaker 6: seven in bowl games and this includes the playoffs. Big
Speaker 6: ten was eleven and six. Twenty twenty three SEC was
Speaker 6: five and four, little tighter Big ten was six and four.
Speaker 6: The only year the SEC in the last five years
Speaker 6: has been better than the Big Ten was twenty twenty
Speaker 6: two and they went seven and five in bowl games.
Speaker 6: The year before that SEC was six and eight. Big
Speaker 6: ten was six and four. I mean, so you can
Speaker 6: clearly see by just the number of teams they are
Speaker 6: getting in between the two conferences that the SEC is
Speaker 6: viewed and looked at as the better conference. But there's
Speaker 6: also the element of how they've scheduled through those years,
Speaker 6: Like next year is gonna be the first year they
Speaker 6: have nine conference again, it's only played eight usually, so
Speaker 6: if you think about to get boils, if you have
Speaker 6: to win six games, they've got four games, which we
Speaker 6: all know how the SEC schedules in October November with
Speaker 6: some of those FCS cupcakes and then a couple other
Speaker 6: lighter games directional schools to get into their actual conference schedule.
Speaker 6: I mean, so if you really think about, like up
Speaker 6: to this point and every single year, I feel like
Speaker 6: we do this. We look at the difference conference in
Speaker 6: college football, say well, what's the top conference?
Speaker 3: Who's the best?
Speaker 6: Well, we won't always get the chance to play each other.
Speaker 6: You do win bowl season, and the Big Ten has
Speaker 6: been better than the SEC.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the SEC might win the national this year.
Speaker 5: But with that being said, it's factual information. It has
Speaker 5: been the Big Ten that's doing better in the bowl games.
Speaker 5: Not my words, your words, and and listen, I love
Speaker 5: the you know, the competition of it all, the almost
Speaker 5: like the rivalry of it all that's being created between
Speaker 5: the Big Ten and the SEC. But it plays out,
Speaker 5: it plays out, and in these games that are are upcoming,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I'm I'm super excited to be able to
Speaker 5: watch them, uh in the friendly confines of my crib.
Speaker 5: I got all my kids here like for the first
Speaker 5: time and like I don't know, like forever, like two
Speaker 5: years or so. So yeah, I'm excited to see the games. Man,
Speaker 5: I'll probably watch them with a with a other host
Speaker 5: of cool people that that come through to bring the
Speaker 5: new year in. But yeah, man, I think, uh, I
Speaker 5: think when you you look at it, where where we
Speaker 5: are right now, this is as exciting a moment in
Speaker 5: college football as as it. I mean to me. Now,
Speaker 5: I don't know that this is factual. This is obviously opinion,
Speaker 5: but I think the build up is because it seems
Speaker 5: like it took forever for us to get here, like
Speaker 5: get the game last night, it was like, yeah, I've
Speaker 5: just watched the game so far outside of the first
Speaker 5: round of the playoffs, and they, you know, outside of
Speaker 5: like what maybe one game, they were kind of as expected,
Speaker 5: went to kind of the way that that you would
Speaker 5: have hoped it did it, but you knew it would,
Speaker 5: and so you know, now now we get down to business. Now,
Speaker 5: we get down to the nitty gritty. And I feel
Speaker 5: like with what Nils created because I'm not just looking
Speaker 5: at these teams anymore as Okay, you're coming in, you're
Speaker 5: playing the game. I'm looking at how strong is your dollar?
Speaker 5: This is like stock market game too. This isn't just okay,
Speaker 5: how well did you recruit and how well are you coaching?
Speaker 5: This is how far is your dollar stretching? And that's
Speaker 5: interesting because that's a new wrinkle on on how I'm
Speaker 5: watching college football. So you're looking at the big spenders,
Speaker 5: like what I mean, are they going on with the big
Speaker 5: spenders won last year? Right? Big bank take little Bank?
Speaker 5: They made a song about you know, well.
Speaker 6: I think to that point, like Texas Tech is the
Speaker 6: one that's rumored to be the biggest spender this year.
Speaker 3: Cody Campbell.
Speaker 6: They're billionaire who's kind of come to the rescue of
Speaker 6: Texas Tech Sports, and he's been very outspoken about where
Speaker 6: where the state of the game is at and has
Speaker 6: talked about the things he would do to change it
Speaker 6: to make it better to a more professionalized model. But
Speaker 6: that's neither here nor there. The point is he's put
Speaker 6: in so much money that I feel like when you
Speaker 6: look at, for example, Kenny Dillingham, who decided to stay
Speaker 6: at Arizona State, what was one of the first things he
Speaker 6: talked about, you know, some rich alum stroking a twenty
Speaker 6: million dollar check because he's looking within this conference and saying,
Speaker 6: we don't have a Cody Campbell at Arizona State, and
Speaker 6: we can't compete if we don't have that. Give him
Speaker 6: to certain rules were that all teams are playing under,
Speaker 6: and that is you've got your rev share that's.
Speaker 3: Coming from the TV distribution rights. But that's not enough.
Speaker 6: As long as the NCAA allows for collectives to exist,
Speaker 6: there's always going to be imbalances. And that's where you
Speaker 6: kind of find yourself. Where a Texas Tech team, who
Speaker 6: I think the high watermark for Joey Maguire their head
Speaker 6: coach during his tenures was eight wins until Cody Campbell
Speaker 6: invested in this roster completely revamped their defensive front. You're
Speaker 6: going to see that tomorrow versus Oregon. Romelo Heights is
Speaker 6: a stud off the end. David Bailey, he was the
Speaker 6: most expensive edge rusher and the porter out of Stanford
Speaker 6: and even the interior.
Speaker 3: Players are really good.
Speaker 6: But that investment has led to them now winning the
Speaker 6: Big twelve and getting a buy and now, you know,
Speaker 6: being the number four team in the country with a
Speaker 6: chance to legitimately compete for a national championship. Ohio State
Speaker 6: the year before it was that, the year before that,
Speaker 6: it was Michigan. You know, those were all the teams
Speaker 6: to be rumored to be having the most only the
Speaker 6: biggest spend. And so to your point, LeVar like, we'll
Speaker 6: see if it plays out where you know, they indeed
Speaker 6: do end up winning it all. And we're gonna see
Speaker 6: every single program set we want to win one.
Speaker 5: Well you can buy you to put the money into it.
Speaker 3: You gotta put the money up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, And I'm okay with it. If that's what
Speaker 5: it is. That's what it is. So let's let's let's
Speaker 5: have it, you know, let's let's let's see, let's see
Speaker 5: where it goes. I mean, I'm interested because Ohio State,
Speaker 5: like you said, everybody's gotten it, so let's see if
Speaker 5: it happens this year, it's Texas Tech to take and see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think if we're being honest with ourselves,
Speaker 6: like going back to the conversations about the SEC and
Speaker 6: Big Ten, like two of the SEC's wins are in
Speaker 6: the playoff, actually the only two wins, one in which
Speaker 6: they played it themselves Alabama versus Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: And the other one was a layup in Old miss
Speaker 3: playing Tulane.
Speaker 6: So when you look at even the success that the
Speaker 6: SEC has had so far, it's really just been the
Speaker 6: amount of teams that have gotten in the playoff, which
Speaker 6: is a four of them to be talked about at
Speaker 6: this point, well who could, But.
Speaker 2: I mean who controls the which SEC teams.
Speaker 6: Getting to the point oh ESPN and the whole playoff,
Speaker 6: But the general point is the illusion that we even
Speaker 6: need to have a debate between the SEC and Big ten.
Speaker 6: Like if you really look at it, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Bama,
Speaker 6: Like those four teams are consistently in it. I don't
Speaker 6: know that you can say any other program is as
Speaker 6: consistently in as those four. And it's kind of those
Speaker 6: four really competing for at least in recent history since
Speaker 6: the expansion playoff And what are the all for of
Speaker 6: those schools have They have deep pockets, they have money
Speaker 6: and and they're spending it on their rosters. You know,
Speaker 6: you won't find one that's more expensive than Ohio State, Oregon.
Speaker 6: You know, we talked about text tech this year that
Speaker 6: hasn't been the past, And we'll see if it plays
Speaker 6: out in the playoffs. But if I had my bet,
Speaker 6: I bet one of those four teams wins the national
Speaker 6: Championship from seeing them up close, you know, and you
Speaker 6: know in person, all four of.
Speaker 3: Those teams look different.
Speaker 6: They've got the size that up, the speed, and they've
Speaker 6: got you know, everything that they kind of need to
Speaker 6: put together as far as their you know, staffs that
Speaker 6: they've gotten in the support system.
Speaker 3: You know, one of those four teams is probably gonna
Speaker 3: win it all this year.
Speaker 1: And then we get the rematch of you know, the
Speaker 1: two thousand and three Classic between Miami and Ohio State,
Speaker 1: which gets the College Football Playoff kicked off later on
Speaker 1: tonight at seven thirty Eastern time, And I know that
Speaker 1: people look at just sort of this whole landscape of
Speaker 1: things and they're like, well, you know, these these are.
Speaker 2: The bowl games and it's the playoff.
Speaker 1: I do think Dan Lanning's point about the fact that
Speaker 1: Texas Tech should have a home game, but they don't
Speaker 1: have a home game. I don't know how you if
Speaker 1: this is a product of when you get sixteen teams in,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get you know, a bye week advantage into
Speaker 1: a home game. But it just feels like this is
Speaker 1: where we are. There's still some things they've got to
Speaker 1: iron out with the whole College Football Playoff. It's going
Speaker 1: to look different like it did from last year to
Speaker 1: this year and then this year probably the next year.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like those teams yet again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get that bye week, but the fact that you're
Speaker 1: playing on a neutral site, even you're an opposing coach
Speaker 1: is defending the team who's the higher ranked team, and
Speaker 1: says listen man, they should this game should be played
Speaker 1: in loveck Like the fact that we're not there doesn't
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: As an Orange Bowl committee member, I am very I
Speaker 6: feel very disrespected by those colleges from Deadlands. I'm not
Speaker 6: taking that very well. So I hate to hear that,
Speaker 6: but I understand the desire for it. I mean, they
Speaker 6: obviously hosted a home playoff game versus James Madison, so
Speaker 6: he knows.
Speaker 3: What that's like.
Speaker 6: And it's unfortunate for Texas Tech that, you know, they
Speaker 6: don't get to experience that. Even though they get to
Speaker 6: buy and they get the additional moneies that come with
Speaker 6: that and then to go to the next round, they
Speaker 6: don't get to feel what that feels like. And I
Speaker 6: think if you look at where this sport is at,
Speaker 6: where it's creeping slowly towards a professional model, we already
Speaker 6: have a model that's in the NFL level that I
Speaker 6: think everyone likes the playoff format and likes the fact.
Speaker 3: That you do get home field advantage top seeded team.
Speaker 3: You do get home field advantage if you win your division.
Speaker 3: There's elements to all of that. The hard part is we've.
Speaker 6: Got a committee that's going to be deciding that, so
Speaker 6: there's always going to be some subjectivity to it.
Speaker 3: There's going to be people who are.
Speaker 6: Frustrated with the process of how they go about picking
Speaker 6: those games in which teams make it, which teams don't.
Speaker 3: We're just not quite to that format.
Speaker 6: But I don't disagree that if you really take a
Speaker 6: step back, look at any tournament format where there's sudden
Speaker 6: death and you only play one game, it doesn't play
Speaker 6: to the advantage of those teams that play the best
Speaker 6: in the regular season.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at college basketball.
Speaker 6: You don't get home core advantage in the tournament, and
Speaker 6: outside of the opening round, that's all you get, and
Speaker 6: then you're playing on these neutral site games. So I
Speaker 6: understand the point he's making, but I also don't feel
Speaker 6: like we're at a spot right now in college football
Speaker 6: to be able to make the changes necessary to get
Speaker 6: to the point where we've got sixteen teams playing in
Speaker 6: it and we can start having more of those home
Speaker 6: playoff games.
Speaker 3: And we don't feel like teams don't deserve it buy.
Speaker 6: I don't even know, do you guys feel like a
Speaker 6: team deserves a buy based on what they've done in
Speaker 6: the regular season so far.
Speaker 5: I could see why they would structure it that way.
Speaker 5: It just just because of the amount of teams. But
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the playoffs are the playoffs. If
Speaker 5: you make it into the playoffs, let's play. You know.
Speaker 5: I get it, though, if you play well enough and
Speaker 5: you're highly ranked, and you're rated based off of the numbers,
Speaker 5: I would say I don't have a problem with a
Speaker 5: bye week. I really don't, you know, but that could
Speaker 5: work to your advantage, but it could also work to
Speaker 5: your disadvantage. I mean, obviously, the clear and easy is
Speaker 5: you get healthy, you have time to prepare. You can
Speaker 5: prepare for both teams, even though you don't know which
Speaker 5: one you're going to play. I think there is an
Speaker 5: advantage to having a bye week, but I don't know
Speaker 5: that for certain. I don't know that you have this
Speaker 5: distinct advantage going into it, just because of the amount
Speaker 5: of time you have off versus the time that the
Speaker 5: other team had off.
Speaker 1: I also think that there's in college football, there's your
Speaker 1: condition to complain.
Speaker 2: It just is what it is like.
Speaker 1: No matter what, people are just gonna have a bitch
Speaker 1: about something.
Speaker 2: And if you really want to go through the.
Speaker 1: List of playoff formats and other sports, I mean, look
Speaker 1: look at the NFL.
Speaker 2: We talked about it a lot last year.
Speaker 1: The fact that the an NFC South team, whoever wins
Speaker 1: the NFC South is going to host a playoff game
Speaker 1: is absurd over a team, and it happened a couple
Speaker 1: of times last year the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2: We don't need seven game series to open up every round.
Speaker 1: Like every playoff format has flaws, but in college football,
Speaker 1: everybody harps on what there is and as opposed to, dude,
Speaker 1: we've got a playoff like this is the this is
Speaker 1: the best you could possibly get. You're no longer having
Speaker 1: it voted on, you're not having split champions, you're not
Speaker 1: having just four teams in.
Speaker 2: You've got teams in.
Speaker 1: You gave opportunities to the little guys, didn't go well
Speaker 1: for them. But now we're here, and now you've got
Speaker 1: name brands, and I think I think that's why I
Speaker 1: would rather watch and enjoy what we've got, knowing it's
Speaker 1: going to change. Last year just like it did this
Speaker 1: past year. It's flawed, but so is every other playoff
Speaker 1: format in sports. You can find something wrong with anything
Speaker 1: if you wanted to.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 6: I do think it's funny that after one year we
Speaker 6: were like up in arms of how it god that
Speaker 6: we could wait for like two or three years to
Speaker 6: play out of this twelve team playoff format. So we
Speaker 6: have to keep tweaking it constantly, which we'll see where
Speaker 6: it ends up going. I mean, I think sixteen sounds
Speaker 6: like a good number. I hope it gets to that number,
Speaker 6: and that way we can avoid kind of the buys
Speaker 6: and also just the lag in between. But I do
Speaker 6: think if you get to sixteen and you're talking about
Speaker 6: having more first round games, you are going to have
Speaker 6: to change up the college football schedule a bit in
Speaker 6: regards to when it starts and when these first round
Speaker 6: playoff games start, adding a couple more in there. But
Speaker 6: also just I think it takes away from the bowl season.
Speaker 6: And I've said this before. As much as we want
Speaker 6: to keep looking at the ball season as a reward
Speaker 6: for players, it's just not how it works anymore. Look
Speaker 6: how many players were sitting out for Illinois, you know,
Speaker 6: versus Tennessee and Tennessee for that matter. You know, look
Speaker 6: at the situation that SE's in Danton Lynz already at
Speaker 6: Penn State.
Speaker 3: He's not coaching their defense, and.
Speaker 6: It's their defense that ends up getting their backs broken
Speaker 6: on a third and twenty in overtime. And now granted
Speaker 6: that's more technique and fundamentals, not tackling, but still, you know,
Speaker 6: you look at how that game ends, and it's defensively
Speaker 6: the struggles in and they had a number of players
Speaker 6: who opted out too. So I just I look at
Speaker 6: that portion of it, and I wonder the impact of
Speaker 6: having sixteen teams, and if we do start playing these
Speaker 6: games a little bit sooner, how it would impact the
Speaker 6: rest of the bowl season. If those shouldn't be just
Speaker 6: moved to the front of the season for neutral site
Speaker 6: non conference games in general, I think they would survive
Speaker 6: and probably last a lot longer if that was the case.
Speaker 5: I was about to say, I hate to do it
Speaker 5: because I know you're on a committee, but I think
Speaker 5: this college Playoff as it continues to evolve, is the
Speaker 5: death of bowls. D I really do outside of the
Speaker 5: bowls that exists within the playoff, which is I don't
Speaker 5: how long will that last? You know, how long will
Speaker 5: the bowl games that represent the playoff? How long will
Speaker 5: it be the Rose.
Speaker 1: Bowl or the Cotton Bowl or what he got against
Speaker 1: the Tony the Tiger Sun Bull's wrong.
Speaker 5: I don't have anything, but I think what Q said
Speaker 5: is correct. And here's what you got to think about.
Speaker 5: You know, I know we had the big conversation about
Speaker 5: Notre Dame opting out of playing the game altogether. But
Speaker 5: if I have Penn State had, I believe fifteen or
Speaker 5: so guys and most all of those guys who opted
Speaker 5: out are preparing for the combine in the NFL draft.
Speaker 5: Now how many will get drafted, I don't know. But
Speaker 5: you're talking about basically the nucleus of your team. And
Speaker 5: while I'm okay with saying, you know, go play it.
Speaker 5: Let the younger guys get an opportunity to play. For one,
Speaker 5: I don't look at those as legitimate victories for one
Speaker 5: or legitimate losses for two. It's not as interesting. It's
Speaker 5: just not it's not as interesting. It seems very very
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just seems like it's an exhibition,
Speaker 5: which obviously that is what you know, what bowl games are.
Speaker 5: But it just doesn't have the same type of emotional
Speaker 5: connection to it. Like if you're watching the Orange Bowl,
Speaker 5: you knew what it was. If you knew you know,
Speaker 5: if you were watching the Rose Bowl, you knew that
Speaker 5: it was going to be the pack versus the Big Ten.
Speaker 5: You just knew what that you were going to get
Speaker 5: a pretty interesting matchup within those bowl games. And now
Speaker 5: you got to ask yourself is it worth it as
Speaker 5: a school? Is it worth it financially to do a
Speaker 5: bowl game? And if it's not one of those big,
Speaker 5: high end bowl games, is it worth it to do
Speaker 5: a bowl game? Because it's going to cost to go
Speaker 5: do it. You got to for hotel rooms, you gotta
Speaker 5: you gotta pay for transportation, you got to do all
Speaker 5: of these that you got to pay for food, you
Speaker 5: got to do all these things that bring cost and
Speaker 5: expenses to you to your university. How much is that
Speaker 5: as offset by the amount you're going to receive going
Speaker 5: to the bowl game.
Speaker 1: So the people that are putting the ball game on
Speaker 1: aren't taking care of your travel and your your food
Speaker 1: and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: That's all what I'm telling you is within the expenses
Speaker 5: of what it takes to do those games. They're paying.
Speaker 5: You're getting paid your money, but how much overhead is
Speaker 5: there that's going to eat into that money? And why
Speaker 5: would you why would you do the game? Why would
Speaker 5: you do the game if you know you don't have
Speaker 5: ten fifteen of your players that play. It's like you
Speaker 5: take all of those combinations and you put them together.
Speaker 5: I just don't why would you want to do it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know what, Notre day might have opened up Pandora's box. Man.
Speaker 5: I did a lot of teams that come out and
Speaker 5: be like, man, like, oh, Notre Dame had a great
Speaker 5: they had a great thought on that, like if we
Speaker 5: don't make it into the playoff, like, let's just get
Speaker 5: ready for next year.
Speaker 6: But here's here's the unique scenario for Notre Dame for that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've said this before and back in two
Speaker 6: thousand and four when we went six and five ty
Speaker 6: we Longham got fired. You know a lot of the
Speaker 6: conversation from our upperclassmen back then was hey, if it's
Speaker 6: not a BCS or playing for the national championship, obviously.
Speaker 3: Like we don't go.
Speaker 6: And I and a lot of the younger guys were like, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, we got a young group we want to
Speaker 6: keep trying to practice. We want to keep doing this.
Speaker 6: That was our argument, and we took a team vote. Dude,
Speaker 6: we were sixty forty. And what I quickly realized when
Speaker 6: we got out there was even though we had an
Speaker 6: amazing time in Scottsdale, Arizona, like I love that place.
Speaker 3: I think it's so much fun, it was a lot
Speaker 3: of fun, and it wasn't.
Speaker 6: There was not a lot of seriousness taken to the
Speaker 6: approach for the game.
Speaker 3: And that was by the players and coach and coaches.
Speaker 6: Because the coaches were looking for new new jobs and
Speaker 6: players were having fun at night. You know, you get
Speaker 6: those boys outside of South Bend, Indiana, man, things things
Speaker 6: get wild. Sommers I would I would say this. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm not for opting out of bowl games. I think
Speaker 6: each team has to make their own individual decision. But
Speaker 6: for Notre Dame, it's unique because that's all you're playing
Speaker 6: for every year. You don't have a conference championship, you know,
Speaker 6: you don't have those things that are set for years, goals.
Speaker 3: You know, now, let's get to the playoff and go
Speaker 3: win a national championship.
Speaker 6: So when that's not there for you anymore, there's obviously
Speaker 6: other things to consider, and I think.
Speaker 5: Don't you think other teams would look at it that way?
Speaker 5: Like if we didn't, Yes, I don't. I don't want
Speaker 5: to like this is a nice.
Speaker 6: Season, and I think they have That's why, you know,
Speaker 6: Iowa State, there's others that opted out, and I granted
Speaker 6: some of those schools had, you know, head coaching changes
Speaker 6: and things that played a role in that. And that's
Speaker 6: kind of again where I kind of can relate to that.
Speaker 6: But that's why each like we shouldn't walk down on
Speaker 6: upon the team or players for making that decision, you know,
Speaker 6: because that became a big talking piece for a lot
Speaker 6: of people when I think each team's got.
Speaker 3: Their own reason for what they're doing and why they're
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 6: But to your point, I do think the rest of
Speaker 6: these Bowl games need to start thinking creativity, you know,
Speaker 6: creatively about where can we where can we exist? You
Speaker 6: know in the future. I think the New Year six
Speaker 6: are fine. It's just going to be the rest that
Speaker 6: aren't a part of the college wall play up. They
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Speaker 1: So do you remember how when Christian McCaffrey and Leonard
Speaker 1: Fournette opted out of bowl games and it was like
Speaker 1: how could they?
Speaker 2: Like, how could you do that to your teammates? You know,
Speaker 2: how could you?
Speaker 1: They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it
Speaker 1: was just like there was all this criticism that was
Speaker 1: levy towards them. And then you know, Notre Dame opts
Speaker 1: out of wanting to play in a bowl game and
Speaker 1: they got all sorts of heat about it.
Speaker 2: What you're too good for the bull Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, as a matter of fact, yeah, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: there are certain people in college sports that are better
Speaker 1: than others like that that it is I don't want
Speaker 1: to say beneath them, but yeah, they can get to
Speaker 1: places and get to where they want to go and
Speaker 1: not need everything that comes along with every other program
Speaker 1: or every other player in the sport. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that you look at And what reminds me of
Speaker 1: this is years ago, do kind of really down year
Speaker 1: and they decided to not partake in the NIT and
Speaker 1: they got a lot of heat for it, and it
Speaker 1: was like, well, what you're too good for the n IT?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have options, and
Speaker 1: I feel like there's sort of a bitterness towards players
Speaker 1: and pro who have options who are bigger than some
Speaker 1: of these other things that are thrown on their lap
Speaker 1: and other things that.
Speaker 2: Are out there in the world of college sports.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys see that as
Speaker 1: well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never
Speaker 1: had an issue with a player or a team deciding
Speaker 1: what they want us to do is not in our
Speaker 1: best interest, despite whether or not anybody likes.
Speaker 3: It or not.
Speaker 5: I think that's what's a good point. Yeah, I would
Speaker 5: just say I would say, for me, I didn't opt out.
Speaker 5: And so there's personal personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments.
Speaker 5: The sensible side of me says, it's your choice. You know,
Speaker 5: if you're at the point in your career where you're
Speaker 5: about to go to the pros, I mean, you think
Speaker 5: of who is the young man that was dope linebacker
Speaker 5: for the Notre Dame Jialn Smith plays and he plays
Speaker 5: in the game, and Jackson's lag up or mcgahey jack
Speaker 5: is lag up, and those are extreme those are extreme cases.
Speaker 5: But I mean, do you want to risk being one
Speaker 5: of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is.
Speaker 5: So I look at it from that perspective and say,
Speaker 5: if somebody wants to, you know, say listen, I'm going
Speaker 5: to prepare for the next level. For what it's worth,
Speaker 5: our regular season is finished, this is the bowl season.
Speaker 5: I'm going to opt out. Like I get that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: It's a little harder to make that determination with the
Speaker 5: playoffs because you still have a chance to win the
Speaker 5: national title, and that would to me not mean that
Speaker 5: your season is over. But if it's just a regular
Speaker 5: bowl game, you know, if it is the n i
Speaker 5: T Tournament and you are a classic blue blood team
Speaker 5: that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't I
Speaker 5: don't see there being an issue with it. But I do.
Speaker 5: I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis
Speaker 5: Deny Sutton. You know, he he played and he bawled
Speaker 5: and probably butchered his name. I might have messed it
Speaker 5: up because I got used to calling his name different,
Speaker 5: But anyway, he balled out, balled out for Penn State
Speaker 5: because I called him Deny. That's all I call him.
Speaker 5: But behind did you try to put them all together?
Speaker 5: Sometimes I put him in the wrong order. But anyway,
Speaker 5: you know, but Zaye Durant opted out, you know, Zachi Wheatley,
Speaker 5: he opted out, And I don't feel any differently about
Speaker 5: them than I do with Dennis playing in the game.
Speaker 5: So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get to,
Speaker 5: like you said, caught up personally into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think
Speaker 6: there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this
Speaker 6: where we're venturing to in college football because you point
Speaker 6: out that about Duke, and I think that's always kind
Speaker 6: of existed to for some of the bigger programs that
Speaker 6: if they do have that down year, if.
Speaker 3: They don't go to the n I T. You know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of you to so be it.
Speaker 6: Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that
Speaker 6: because your roster turnover is so signif eficant. And I
Speaker 6: think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays,
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're not a part of the college
Speaker 6: football playoff, you're probably going to be losing a good
Speaker 6: amount of players either to the portal, to their eligibility
Speaker 6: being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know,
Speaker 6: to go into the NFL. And if that's the case,
Speaker 6: you know, are you really putting your brand, your program
Speaker 6: the best foot forward when you go out and play
Speaker 6: some of these bowl games.
Speaker 3: Probably not right.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything
Speaker 6: to help their program or the perception of the SEC.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 6: And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out
Speaker 6: there and play because it's another opportunity to go out
Speaker 6: there and play football. It's the greatest game of the
Speaker 6: world in my opinion, but we also act like this
Speaker 6: isn't a business and just talking from the NNIL side
Speaker 6: and how agents talk to these kids, Now, that's how
Speaker 6: it's structured. Like you play your regular season, if you
Speaker 6: play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing
Speaker 6: these kids are going to tell you to go out
Speaker 6: there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage
Speaker 6: what you're getting paid, get paid more if you're a
Speaker 6: team that's part of the playoff.
Speaker 3: We heard about that.
Speaker 6: Story last year with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before
Speaker 6: they played Ohio State, they were trying to redo the
Speaker 6: contract get paid more. So that sort of stuff is
Speaker 6: going on. But when you really peeled all back. You know,
Speaker 6: it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of
Speaker 6: those brands and those schools, you know, but again it's
Speaker 6: their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 6: a guy sitting out or even a team at this
Speaker 6: point only because if they're going to have a lot
Speaker 6: of moving parts with all of it, then why not
Speaker 6: focus on what is to be that next season and everyone,
Speaker 6: especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean,
Speaker 6: let's say, for example, last night Jade Mayava got hurt,
Speaker 6: I was going to impact his ability to start the
Speaker 6: following year. Does that make that game worth it for
Speaker 6: SC especially in hindsight losing the way you did.
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 6: And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games,
Speaker 6: these additional Bowl games, than their existence, like it's gonna
Speaker 6: come to.
Speaker 2: The forefront here soon. Yeah, it's kind of a I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I look at it and I go, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with them. I literally have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with them, does not impact them, does not
Speaker 1: benefit them. Like you mentioned, Jalen smith Man, remember Jake Butt.
Speaker 1: Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect.
Speaker 2: In the NFL tight end. He got it. He got
Speaker 2: his leg ripped up in a bowl game.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, so you want them to just
Speaker 1: risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what
Speaker 1: dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is
Speaker 1: doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know because I've got to fifty.
Speaker 3: That's the reality.
Speaker 6: And if you really peel back that, the business model
Speaker 6: is most of these ball games, these exhibition ball games,
Speaker 6: are owned by ESPN.
Speaker 3: If there was forty of them, about half. I think
Speaker 3: they sold off some of them.
Speaker 6: Then some are obviously owned by others, but when you
Speaker 6: really look at it, most of them are owned by ESPN,
Speaker 6: so it's kind of their own creation. It's part of
Speaker 6: their business model for this time of year because the
Speaker 6: ratings for these bull games are typically higher.
Speaker 3: Than many of these teams usually you.
Speaker 6: Know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louis
Speaker 6: Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their
Speaker 6: other games this season because it was on in a
Speaker 6: spot where it was a standalone nothing's up against him,
Speaker 6: and people are dying for some sort of sports. There's
Speaker 6: gambos who want to bet. So that's all part of
Speaker 6: you know, their model to make money off it. So
Speaker 6: there's no one gets more upset about it than ESPN
Speaker 6: when a team opts out there not part of their
Speaker 6: you know, postseason business model. But does it make sense
Speaker 6: for anyone else you know that that's involved in the process,
Speaker 6: the coaches, the players, maybe not. I mean again, like
Speaker 6: this is not a part of them getting paid additionally,
Speaker 6: And that's a conversation we have.
Speaker 3: To start having that.
Speaker 5: That's the big conversation, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses
Speaker 6: for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe
Speaker 6: is structured in there, but like we're not to that
Speaker 6: point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players.
Speaker 6: There's not a union that's you know, collected collectively bargaining
Speaker 6: against whatever power structure is created.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty six Pro Football Hall of Fame have announced
Speaker 7: their finalists, and let's go with the you know at
Speaker 7: the top of the chart.
Speaker 2: Here, Drew Brees is in this, Larry.
Speaker 7: Fitz, Frank Gore, maybe maybe Tory Holt, Luke Keikley. Shout
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Speaker 7: Reggie Wayne, Kevin Williams, Jason Witten, Darren Woodson.
Speaker 2: And Marshall yonder Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, all those dudes will probably get in. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many get in this time.
Speaker 2: There's five, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I get I get hit up by a couple
Speaker 5: of voters and they give me the list. I'll tell you,
Speaker 5: I'm looking for the messages. I'll tell you who I
Speaker 5: gave them, who I gave them. Darren Woodson. I think
Speaker 5: it's long overdue for Darren Woodson to get in. I
Speaker 5: think it's way long overdue for Tory Holt to get in.
Speaker 5: I think it's way long overdue for Willy Anderson to
Speaker 5: get in. And I think Luke Keigley and Frank Borer
Speaker 5: should get in Wow, those are my five over Breeze,
Speaker 5: I think. I mean, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: It's the first ballot Hall of Favor.
Speaker 5: It won't it won't be over Breeze. But if you're
Speaker 5: asking me the five, if if I had to replace one,
Speaker 5: I'd say probably Luke with with Drew Brees. But I
Speaker 5: gotta put the line.
Speaker 2: I would say, Frank Laura, if you're going to replace
Speaker 2: one of those, I would.
Speaker 5: Say, his body of work is too. It's so great though, I.
Speaker 2: Think you should get into But if you're only picking five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but his body of work, like who's done with
Speaker 5: Frank Gore has done.
Speaker 3: Quarterback, I think he's got a better that's fair.
Speaker 5: That's fair too. Yeah, that is fair. That is fair.
Speaker 5: I mean you're listen. If it's Frank Gordon has to
Speaker 5: go as I mean that that was my five, guys.
Speaker 5: That that was That's what I gave you.
Speaker 3: That's I said my five.
Speaker 5: I didn't say. I didn't say it was factually back.
Speaker 3: That's what you didn't say five? Either said it was
Speaker 3: your five?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How come they don't they don't reach out to me
Speaker 1: to get my five? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know what I think Keiley has to get in.
Speaker 6: Was he an All Pro for like four five? I
Speaker 6: mean he defensive player of there, defensive rookie. Ye, he's
Speaker 6: got all the accolades. I know it was, you know
Speaker 6: it wasn't long. But I don't think he was ever
Speaker 6: worse than an eight, like a second team All.
Speaker 3: Pro five time All Pro.
Speaker 6: Well, first team, he was a second team for like
Speaker 6: the rest of them.
Speaker 5: If your first team All Pro one time, you've done
Speaker 5: well in your life, You've done well in your life.
Speaker 5: That's how hard it is to become a first team
Speaker 5: All Pro. That's elusive.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 6: I'd say there's other definitions for doing well in life,
Speaker 6: but yes, that is.
Speaker 5: You don't know that. I mean, okay, miss Notre Dame,
Speaker 5: I went to Penn State. Relax, Relax, I'm educated.
Speaker 2: To Hannon.
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