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Speaker 1: and we are talking college football. It's officially bowl season.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have another edition of Quinn's Wins, getting

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Speaker 1: Guy recommitting to a blue blood program like we've never

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Speaker 2: What up sticks?

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Speaker 5: Good morning man, Good morning? How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: We are good?

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Speaker 3: We are he's old professional today? All professional?

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Speaker 5: What are you talking? You know more?

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Speaker 3: You aren't. You aren't all professional. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. I don't pay attention

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Speaker 3: to social media.

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Speaker 5: Got leea, what's going on on my timeline yesterday? I

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Speaker 5: don't know, bro. I felt like there was a clashing

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Speaker 5: of cultures on my very timeline.

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Speaker 3: Cultures.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh no, man?

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Speaker 5: It was like it was two pros versus up on game,

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Speaker 5: and I was in the middle of it.

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Speaker 6: Here's the thing about LeVar too, Since LaVar's got a

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Speaker 6: Saturday morning show, he will try to be like, hey, whosh,

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Speaker 6: why do you go out and reach out about something?

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Speaker 6: And an interesting thing about it was he couldn't have

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Speaker 6: listened to the clip because what he said clearly meant

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Speaker 6: he didn't like. If you listen to it, it literally

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Speaker 6: answered his question in it, which is one of the

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Speaker 6: reasons why other people started to jump ontom after that.

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Speaker 5: I get stressed out on stuff like that. I did

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Speaker 5: not I did not facilitate that. I did not instigate that.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I did not even look at it. I

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Speaker 5: just saw I put I saw you responded, I saw

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Speaker 5: he wrote something. I put popcorn on one, I put

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Speaker 5: eyes on one, and I said it was two pros

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Speaker 5: verses up on get u og and that was it.

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Speaker 5: I was out.

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Speaker 1: For the people that aren't familiar, we're referring to Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Riley basically putting the blame on Notre Dame for the

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Speaker 1: canceling of the Notre Dame USC rivalry. Brady responded yesterday

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Speaker 1: and then well we posted it on social media.

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Speaker 5: There was the social media clip Brady giving his opinions

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Speaker 5: on it, and people started weighing in on it, and

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Speaker 5: one of the persons was TJ. Houch Manzada, who I

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Speaker 6: And here's the thing is, there's no disrespect that comes

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Speaker 6: with it. I think oftentimes on social media that's the

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Speaker 6: problem is we don't have the opportunity to talk to

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Speaker 6: people face to face. It all that, But when you

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Speaker 3: If you don't have a dog in the fight.

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Speaker 6: And my whole thing with with this entire scenario is

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Speaker 3: Traction it's gotten. This isn't like my words or anything.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, that's how much this robbery is meant

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Speaker 3: That's how much this robbery is.

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Speaker 3: Than the last night's game.

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Speaker 6: If you're a C fan of just disappointment and who

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Speaker 6: But Gil given credit for playing the game. Their raim's

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Speaker 6: not playing a ball game. They opted out. So you

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Speaker 1: Sure, but it is bullseason, and I thought last night

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Speaker 1: But last night we got Illinois, Brett Beelama getting it done.

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Speaker 1: like all of that was the prelude to the college

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Speaker 2: Between Miami and Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: So it does feel like we're officially here. It is

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Speaker 2: There you guard it up, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: As just say, I don't know how you look at

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Speaker 3: Shocking.

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Speaker 6: But this is a trend, by the way that has

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Speaker 6: Go back to last year, the SEC was eight and

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Speaker 6: The year before that SEC was six and eight. Big

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Speaker 6: all know how the SEC schedules in October November with

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Speaker 6: I mean, so if you really think about, like up

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Speaker 3: Who's the best?

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Speaker 6: Well, we won't always get the chance to play each other.

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Speaker 6: You do win bowl season, and the Big Ten has

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the SEC might win the national this year.

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Speaker 5: But with that being said, it's factual information. It has

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Speaker 5: been the Big Ten that's doing better in the bowl games.

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Speaker 5: Not my words, your words, and and listen, I love

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Speaker 5: I'll probably watch them with a with a other host

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Speaker 5: of cool people that that come through to bring the

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Speaker 5: new year in. But yeah, man, I think, uh, I

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Speaker 5: think when you you look at it, where where we

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Speaker 5: I don't know that this is factual. This is obviously opinion,

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Speaker 5: and so you know, now now we get down to business. Now,

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Speaker 5: we get down to the nitty gritty. And I feel

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Speaker 5: playing the game. I'm looking at how strong is your dollar?

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Speaker 5: This is like stock market game too. This isn't just okay,

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Speaker 5: This is how far is your dollar stretching? And that's

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Speaker 5: interesting because that's a new wrinkle on on how I'm

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Speaker 5: watching college football. So you're looking at the big spenders,

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Speaker 5: like what I mean, are they going on with the big

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Speaker 5: spenders won last year? Right? Big bank take little Bank?

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Speaker 5: They made a song about you know, well.

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Speaker 6: I think to that point, like Texas Tech is the

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Speaker 6: They're billionaire who's kind of come to the rescue of

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Speaker 6: But that investment has led to them now winning the

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Speaker 5: Well you can buy you to put the money into it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think if we're being honest with ourselves,

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Speaker 6: So when you look at even the success that the

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Speaker 3: Those teams look different.

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Speaker 6: They've got the size that up, the speed, and they've

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Speaker 3: You know, one of those four teams is probably gonna

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Speaker 1: And then we get the rematch of you know, the

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Speaker 1: I do think Dan Lanning's point about the fact that

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Speaker 1: this is a product of when you get sixteen teams in,

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Speaker 1: But it does feel like those teams yet again, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: As an Orange Bowl committee member, I am very I

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Speaker 3: What that's like.

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Speaker 6: And it's unfortunate for Texas Tech that, you know, they

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Speaker 3: That you do get home field advantage top seeded team.

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Speaker 3: There's elements to all of that. The hard part is we've.

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Speaker 6: Frustrated with the process of how they go about picking

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Speaker 6: But I don't disagree that if you really take a

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Speaker 6: You don't get home core advantage in the tournament, and

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Speaker 3: And we don't feel like teams don't deserve it buy.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know, do you guys feel like a

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Speaker 5: I could see why they would structure it that way.

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Speaker 1: I also think that there's in college football, there's your

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Speaker 2: It just is what it is like.

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Speaker 1: No matter what, people are just gonna have a bitch

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Speaker 2: And if you really want to go through the.

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Speaker 2: We talked about it a lot last year.

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Speaker 1: The fact that the an NFC South team, whoever wins

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Speaker 2: We don't need seven game series to open up every round.

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Speaker 1: Like every playoff format has flaws, but in college football,

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Speaker 2: You've got teams in.

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Speaker 1: You gave opportunities to the little guys, didn't go well

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Speaker 6: I do think it's funny that after one year we

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Speaker 3: He's not coaching their defense, and.

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Speaker 6: It's their defense that ends up getting their backs broken

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Speaker 6: that's more technique and fundamentals, not tackling, but still, you know,

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Speaker 6: you look at how that game ends, and it's defensively

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Speaker 6: the struggles in and they had a number of players

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Speaker 6: who opted out too. So I just I look at

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Speaker 6: that portion of it, and I wonder the impact of

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Speaker 6: having sixteen teams, and if we do start playing these

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Speaker 6: games a little bit sooner, how it would impact the

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Speaker 6: rest of the bowl season. If those shouldn't be just

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Speaker 6: moved to the front of the season for neutral site

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Speaker 6: non conference games in general, I think they would survive

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Speaker 6: and probably last a lot longer if that was the case.

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Speaker 5: I was about to say, I hate to do it

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Speaker 5: because I know you're on a committee, but I think

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Speaker 5: this college Playoff as it continues to evolve, is the

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Speaker 5: death of bowls. D I really do outside of the

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Speaker 5: bowls that exists within the playoff, which is I don't

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Speaker 5: how long will that last? You know, how long will

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Speaker 5: the bowl games that represent the playoff? How long will

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Speaker 5: it be the Rose.

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Speaker 1: Bowl or the Cotton Bowl or what he got against

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Speaker 5: I don't have anything, but I think what Q said

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Speaker 5: is correct. And here's what you got to think about.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know we had the big conversation about

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Speaker 5: Notre Dame opting out of playing the game altogether. But

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Speaker 5: if I have Penn State had, I believe fifteen or

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Speaker 5: so guys and most all of those guys who opted

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Speaker 5: out are preparing for the combine in the NFL draft.

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Speaker 5: Now how many will get drafted, I don't know. But

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Speaker 5: you're talking about basically the nucleus of your team. And

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Speaker 5: while I'm okay with saying, you know, go play it.

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Speaker 5: Let the younger guys get an opportunity to play. For one,

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Speaker 5: I don't look at those as legitimate victories for one

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Speaker 5: or legitimate losses for two. It's not as interesting. It's

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Speaker 5: just not it's not as interesting. It seems very very

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Speaker 5: I don't know, it just seems like it's an exhibition,

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Speaker 5: which obviously that is what you know, what bowl games are.

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Speaker 5: But it just doesn't have the same type of emotional

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Speaker 5: connection to it. Like if you're watching the Orange Bowl,

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Speaker 5: you knew what it was. If you knew you know,

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Speaker 5: if you were watching the Rose Bowl, you knew that

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Speaker 5: it was going to be the pack versus the Big Ten.

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Speaker 5: You just knew what that you were going to get

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Speaker 5: a pretty interesting matchup within those bowl games. And now

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Speaker 5: you got to ask yourself is it worth it as

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Speaker 5: a school? Is it worth it financially to do a

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Speaker 5: bowl game? And if it's not one of those big,

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Speaker 5: high end bowl games, is it worth it to do

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Speaker 5: a bowl game? Because it's going to cost to go

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Speaker 5: do it. You got to for hotel rooms, you gotta

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Speaker 5: you gotta pay for transportation, you got to do all

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Speaker 5: of these that you got to pay for food, you

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Speaker 5: got to do all these things that bring cost and

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Speaker 5: expenses to you to your university. How much is that

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Speaker 5: as offset by the amount you're going to receive going

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Speaker 5: to the bowl game.

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Speaker 1: So the people that are putting the ball game on

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Speaker 5: That's all what I'm telling you is within the expenses

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Speaker 5: of what it takes to do those games. They're paying.

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Speaker 5: You're getting paid your money, but how much overhead is

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Speaker 5: there that's going to eat into that money? And why

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Speaker 5: would you why would you do the game? Why would

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Speaker 5: you do the game if you know you don't have

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Speaker 5: ten fifteen of your players that play. It's like you

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Speaker 5: take all of those combinations and you put them together.

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Speaker 5: I just don't why would you want to do it? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know what, Notre day might have opened up Pandora's box. Man.

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Speaker 5: I did a lot of teams that come out and

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Speaker 5: be like, man, like, oh, Notre Dame had a great

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Speaker 5: they had a great thought on that, like if we

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Speaker 5: don't make it into the playoff, like, let's just get

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Speaker 5: ready for next year.

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Speaker 6: But here's here's the unique scenario for Notre Dame for that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've said this before and back in two

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Speaker 6: conversation from our upperclassmen back then was hey, if it's

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Speaker 6: not a BCS or playing for the national championship, obviously.

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Speaker 3: Like we don't go.

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Speaker 6: And I and a lot of the younger guys were like, hey,

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Speaker 6: you know, we got a young group we want to

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Speaker 6: keep trying to practice. We want to keep doing this.

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Speaker 6: That was our argument, and we took a team vote. Dude,

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Speaker 6: we were sixty forty. And what I quickly realized when

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Speaker 6: we got out there was even though we had an

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Speaker 6: amazing time in Scottsdale, Arizona, like I love that place.

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Speaker 3: I think it's so much fun, it was a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun, and it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: There was not a lot of seriousness taken to the

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Speaker 3: And that was by the players and coach and coaches.

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Speaker 6: Because the coaches were looking for new new jobs and

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Speaker 6: players were having fun at night. You know, you get

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Speaker 6: those boys outside of South Bend, Indiana, man, things things

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Speaker 6: get wild. Sommers I would I would say this. You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm not for opting out of bowl games. I think

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Speaker 6: each team has to make their own individual decision. But

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Speaker 6: for Notre Dame, it's unique because that's all you're playing

543
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Speaker 6: for every year. You don't have a conference championship, you know,

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Speaker 6: you don't have those things that are set for years, goals.

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Speaker 3: You know, now, let's get to the playoff and go

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Speaker 3: win a national championship.

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Speaker 6: So when that's not there for you anymore, there's obviously

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Speaker 6: other things to consider, and I think.

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Speaker 5: Don't you think other teams would look at it that way?

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Speaker 5: Like if we didn't, Yes, I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 5: to like this is a nice.

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Speaker 6: Season, and I think they have That's why, you know,

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Speaker 6: Iowa State, there's others that opted out, and I granted

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Speaker 6: some of those schools had, you know, head coaching changes

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Speaker 6: and things that played a role in that. And that's

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Speaker 6: kind of again where I kind of can relate to that.

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Speaker 6: But that's why each like we shouldn't walk down on

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Speaker 6: upon the team or players for making that decision, you know,

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Speaker 6: because that became a big talking piece for a lot

560
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Speaker 6: of people when I think each team's got.

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Speaker 3: Their own reason for what they're doing and why they're

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Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 6: But to your point, I do think the rest of

564
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Speaker 6: these Bowl games need to start thinking creativity, you know,

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Speaker 1: So do you remember how when Christian McCaffrey and Leonard

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Speaker 1: Fournette opted out of bowl games and it was like

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Speaker 1: how could they?

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Speaker 2: Like, how could you do that to your teammates? You know,

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Speaker 2: how could you?

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get ready for the draft, and it

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Speaker 1: was just like there was all this criticism that was

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Speaker 1: levy towards them. And then you know, Notre Dame opts

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Speaker 1: out of wanting to play in a bowl game and

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Speaker 1: they got all sorts of heat about it.

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Speaker 2: What you're too good for the bull Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, as a matter of fact, yeah, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: there are certain people in college sports that are better

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Speaker 1: than others like that that it is I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say beneath them, but yeah, they can get to

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Speaker 1: places and get to where they want to go and

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Speaker 1: not need everything that comes along with every other program

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Speaker 1: or every other player in the sport. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you look at And what reminds me of

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Speaker 1: this is years ago, do kind of really down year

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Speaker 1: and they decided to not partake in the NIT and

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Speaker 1: they got a lot of heat for it, and it

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Speaker 1: was like, well, what you're too good for the n IT?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a matter of fact, we have options, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's sort of a bitterness towards players

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Speaker 1: and pro who have options who are bigger than some

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Speaker 1: of these other things that are thrown on their lap

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Speaker 1: and other things that.

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Speaker 2: Are out there in the world of college sports.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys see that as

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Speaker 1: well too, but I definitely see it. And I've never

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Speaker 1: had an issue with a player or a team deciding

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Speaker 1: what they want us to do is not in our

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Speaker 1: best interest, despite whether or not anybody likes.

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Speaker 3: It or not.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what's a good point. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 5: just say I would say, for me, I didn't opt out.

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Speaker 5: And so there's personal personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments.

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Speaker 5: The sensible side of me says, it's your choice. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you're at the point in your career where you're

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Speaker 5: about to go to the pros, I mean, you think

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Speaker 5: of who is the young man that was dope linebacker

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Speaker 5: for the Notre Dame Jialn Smith plays and he plays

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Speaker 5: in the game, and Jackson's lag up or mcgahey jack

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Speaker 5: is lag up, and those are extreme those are extreme cases.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, do you want to risk being one

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Speaker 5: of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is.

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Speaker 5: So I look at it from that perspective and say,

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Speaker 5: if somebody wants to, you know, say listen, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to prepare for the next level. For what it's worth,

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Speaker 5: our regular season is finished, this is the bowl season.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to opt out. Like I get that.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: It's a little harder to make that determination with the

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Speaker 5: playoffs because you still have a chance to win the

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Speaker 5: national title, and that would to me not mean that

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Speaker 5: your season is over. But if it's just a regular

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Speaker 5: bowl game, you know, if it is the n i

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Speaker 5: T Tournament and you are a classic blue blood team

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Speaker 5: that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't I

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Speaker 5: don't see there being an issue with it. But I do.

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Speaker 5: I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis

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Speaker 5: Deny Sutton. You know, he he played and he bawled

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Speaker 5: and probably butchered his name. I might have messed it

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Speaker 5: up because I got used to calling his name different,

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Speaker 5: But anyway, he balled out, balled out for Penn State

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Speaker 5: because I called him Deny. That's all I call him.

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Speaker 5: But behind did you try to put them all together?

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I put him in the wrong order. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: you know, but Zaye Durant opted out, you know, Zachi Wheatley,

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Speaker 5: he opted out, And I don't feel any differently about

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Speaker 5: them than I do with Dennis playing in the game.

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Speaker 5: So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get to,

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Speaker 5: like you said, caught up personally into it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look to that point, there's individual decisions. I think

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Speaker 6: there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this

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Speaker 6: where we're venturing to in college football because you point

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Speaker 6: out that about Duke, and I think that's always kind

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Speaker 6: of existed to for some of the bigger programs that

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Speaker 6: if they do have that down year, if.

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Speaker 3: They don't go to the n I T. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of you to so be it.

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Speaker 6: Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that

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Speaker 6: because your roster turnover is so signif eficant. And I

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Speaker 6: think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays,

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you're not a part of the college

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Speaker 6: football playoff, you're probably going to be losing a good

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Speaker 6: amount of players either to the portal, to their eligibility

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Speaker 6: being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or you know,

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Speaker 6: to go into the NFL. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 6: you know, are you really putting your brand, your program

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Speaker 6: the best foot forward when you go out and play

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Speaker 6: some of these bowl games.

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Speaker 3: Probably not right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like, do Tennessee losing the Illinois do anything

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Speaker 6: to help their program or the perception of the SEC.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 6: And again I'm not saying that they shouldn't go out

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Speaker 6: there and play because it's another opportunity to go out

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Speaker 6: there and play football. It's the greatest game of the

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Speaker 6: world in my opinion, but we also act like this

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Speaker 6: isn't a business and just talking from the NNIL side

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Speaker 6: and how agents talk to these kids, Now, that's how

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Speaker 6: it's structured. Like you play your regular season, if you

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Speaker 6: play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing

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Speaker 6: these kids are going to tell you to go out

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Speaker 6: there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage

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Speaker 6: what you're getting paid, get paid more if you're a

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Speaker 6: team that's part of the playoff.

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Speaker 3: We heard about that.

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Speaker 6: Story last year with nigo Ia Malaiava and Tennessee before

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Speaker 6: they played Ohio State, they were trying to redo the

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Speaker 6: contract get paid more. So that sort of stuff is

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Speaker 6: going on. But when you really peeled all back. You know,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of

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Speaker 6: those brands and those schools, you know, but again it's

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Speaker 6: their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with

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Speaker 6: a guy sitting out or even a team at this

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Speaker 6: point only because if they're going to have a lot

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Speaker 6: of moving parts with all of it, then why not

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Speaker 6: focus on what is to be that next season and everyone,

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Speaker 6: especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean,

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Speaker 6: let's say, for example, last night Jade Mayava got hurt,

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Speaker 6: I was going to impact his ability to start the

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Speaker 6: following year. Does that make that game worth it for

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Speaker 6: SC especially in hindsight losing the way you did.

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Speaker 3: Probably not.

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Speaker 6: And so I just that whole question of these exhibition games,

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Speaker 6: these additional Bowl games, than their existence, like it's gonna

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Speaker 6: come to.

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Speaker 2: The forefront here soon. Yeah, it's kind of a I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I look at it and I go, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with them. I literally have nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with them, does not impact them, does not

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Speaker 1: benefit them. Like you mentioned, Jalen smith Man, remember Jake Butt.

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Speaker 1: Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL tight end. He got it. He got

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Speaker 2: his leg ripped up in a bowl game.

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Speaker 1: Like it's just like, so you want them to just

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Speaker 1: risk it so that you could, you know, seeing what

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Speaker 1: dump cheese. It's on their head like everybody else is

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Speaker 1: doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know because I've got to fifty.

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Speaker 3: That's the reality.

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Speaker 6: And if you really peel back that, the business model

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Speaker 6: is most of these ball games, these exhibition ball games,

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Speaker 6: are owned by ESPN.

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Speaker 3: If there was forty of them, about half. I think

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Speaker 3: they sold off some of them.

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Speaker 6: Then some are obviously owned by others, but when you

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Speaker 6: really look at it, most of them are owned by ESPN,

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Speaker 6: so it's kind of their own creation. It's part of

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Speaker 6: their business model for this time of year because the

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Speaker 6: ratings for these bull games are typically higher.

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Speaker 3: Than many of these teams usually you.

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Speaker 6: Know face like I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louis

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Speaker 6: Gonna Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their

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Speaker 6: other games this season because it was on in a

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Speaker 6: spot where it was a standalone nothing's up against him,

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Speaker 6: and people are dying for some sort of sports. There's

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Speaker 6: gambos who want to bet. So that's all part of

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Speaker 6: you know, their model to make money off it. So

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Speaker 6: there's no one gets more upset about it than ESPN

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Speaker 6: when a team opts out there not part of their

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Speaker 6: you know, postseason business model. But does it make sense

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Speaker 6: for anyone else you know that that's involved in the process,

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Speaker 6: the coaches, the players, maybe not. I mean again, like

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Speaker 6: this is not a part of them getting paid additionally,

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Speaker 6: And that's a conversation we have.

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Speaker 3: To start having that.

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Speaker 5: That's the big conversation, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, like like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses

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Speaker 6: for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe

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Speaker 6: is structured in there, but like we're not to that

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Speaker 6: point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players.

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Speaker 6: There's not a union that's you know, collected collectively bargaining

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Speaker 6: against whatever power structure is created.

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Speaker 2: Here, Drew Brees is in this, Larry.

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Speaker 7: Fitz, Frank Gore, maybe maybe Tory Holt, Luke Keikley. Shout

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Speaker 7: out to the linebackers, Willie Anderson, Jare Evans Eli is

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Speaker 7: on there again, Terrell Suggs, vinetary ad invententary for those

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Speaker 7: Reggie Wayne, Kevin Williams, Jason Witten, Darren Woodson.

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Speaker 2: And Marshall yonder Man.

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Speaker 3: I mean, all those dudes will probably get in. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many get in this time.

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Speaker 2: There's five, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I get I get hit up by a couple

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Speaker 5: of voters and they give me the list. I'll tell you,

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Speaker 5: I'm looking for the messages. I'll tell you who I

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Speaker 5: gave them, who I gave them. Darren Woodson. I think

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Speaker 5: it's long overdue for Darren Woodson to get in. I

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Speaker 5: think it's way long overdue for Tory Holt to get in.

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Speaker 5: I think it's way long overdue for Willy Anderson to

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Speaker 5: get in. And I think Luke Keigley and Frank Borer

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Speaker 5: should get in Wow, those are my five over Breeze,

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Speaker 5: I think. I mean, I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's the first ballot Hall of Favor.

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Speaker 5: It won't it won't be over Breeze. But if you're

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Speaker 5: asking me the five, if if I had to replace one,

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Speaker 5: I'd say probably Luke with with Drew Brees. But I

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Speaker 5: gotta put the line.

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Speaker 2: I would say, Frank Laura, if you're going to replace

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Speaker 2: one of those, I would.

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Speaker 5: Say, his body of work is too. It's so great though, I.

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Speaker 2: Think you should get into But if you're only picking five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but his body of work, like who's done with

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Speaker 5: Frank Gore has done.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback, I think he's got a better that's fair.

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Speaker 5: That's fair too. Yeah, that is fair. That is fair.

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Speaker 5: I mean you're listen. If it's Frank Gordon has to

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Speaker 5: go as I mean that that was my five, guys.

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Speaker 5: That that was That's what I gave you.

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Speaker 3: That's I said my five.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say. I didn't say it was factually back.

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Speaker 3: That's what you didn't say five? Either said it was

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Speaker 3: your five?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How come they don't they don't reach out to me

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Speaker 1: to get my five? Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what I think Keiley has to get in.

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Speaker 6: Was he an All Pro for like four five? I

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Speaker 6: mean he defensive player of there, defensive rookie. Ye, he's

921
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Speaker 6: got all the accolades. I know it was, you know

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Speaker 6: it wasn't long. But I don't think he was ever

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Speaker 6: worse than an eight, like a second team All.

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Speaker 3: Pro five time All Pro.

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Speaker 6: Well, first team, he was a second team for like

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Speaker 6: the rest of them.

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Speaker 5: If your first team All Pro one time, you've done

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Speaker 5: well in your life, You've done well in your life.

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Speaker 5: That's how hard it is to become a first team

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Speaker 5: All Pro. That's elusive.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 6: I'd say there's other definitions for doing well in life,

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Speaker 6: but yes, that is.

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Speaker 5: You don't know that. I mean, okay, miss Notre Dame,

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Speaker 5: I went to Penn State. Relax, Relax, I'm educated.

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Speaker 2: To Hannon.

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Speaker 5: A whole. Let's take a break. Let's take a