1
00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,920
Speaker 1: Welcome to America now, Mr garbutsch Off, tear down this wall.

2
00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,039
Speaker 1: Either you're with us where you were with the terrorists.

3
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,160
Speaker 1: If you got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

4
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,320
Speaker 1: If you're satisfied William Young Trump is not the president

5
00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,720
Speaker 1: of the United States, take it to a bank. Together,

6
00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:26,200
Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never shard. It's

7
00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560
Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

8
00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,760
Speaker 1: America now joined the conversation called buck toll free at

9
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,520
Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four

10
00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 1: nine hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice,

11
00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,839
Speaker 1: buck Sexton. Buck Sexton with you all now, Thank you

12
00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,400
Speaker 1: so much for joining. A lot to cover today, including

13
00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,120
Speaker 1: the latest on the Ninth Circuit. I know everyone's calling

14
00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,680
Speaker 1: it the ninth Circus now because that's what that's what

15
00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,400
Speaker 1: everyone's going with. But then Circuit looking at Trump's travel band,

16
00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,360
Speaker 1: we've got updates on that global cyber security problem, that

17
00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:15,000
Speaker 1: global hack involving ransomware, and we've also got all the

18
00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,640
Speaker 1: latest from down in d C. With Trump's agenda. Any

19
00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,520
Speaker 1: number of things that I would love to get to today,

20
00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,319
Speaker 1: and some of that I'm sure we'll get left on

21
00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,960
Speaker 1: the cutting room floors. I never have quite enough time

22
00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,200
Speaker 1: with all of you. But let me start. Let me start.

23
00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 1: If I'm a with the the order of the day,

24
00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,800
Speaker 1: the narrative of the week. I'm guessing it's certainly a

25
00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:47,680
Speaker 1: narrative today is that the Trump administration has already um

26
00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 1: has already started to run off the run off the rails,

27
00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,680
Speaker 1: and and that people are stepping away from it inside

28
00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,680
Speaker 1: the GOP. Even here's the New York Times, which is

29
00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,559
Speaker 1: the flagship paper of the opposition, New York Times. Today,

30
00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,880
Speaker 1: GOP senators pull away from Trump, alarmed at his volatility.

31
00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,160
Speaker 1: You've got this is how the peace starts. Senate Republicans,

32
00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:16,800
Speaker 1: increasingly unnerved by President Trump's volatility and unpopularity, are starting

33
00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,760
Speaker 1: to show signs of breaking away from him as they

34
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 1: try to forge a more traditional Republican agenda and protect

35
00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,000
Speaker 1: their political fortunes. Several Republicans have openly questioned Mr Trump's

36
00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,280
Speaker 1: decision to fire the FBI Director, James Comey, and even

37
00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,280
Speaker 1: lawmakers who supported the move have complained privately that it

38
00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,600
Speaker 1: was poorly timed and disruptive to their work. Many were

39
00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,440
Speaker 1: dismayed when Mr Trump seemed to then warm Mr comey

40
00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,440
Speaker 1: not to leak negative information about him, and they go

41
00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,520
Speaker 1: on and so now you've got leaks from some Republicans

42
00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,800
Speaker 1: to the press about how uh they are worried about

43
00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,280
Speaker 1: the direction of this administration. A few a few things

44
00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,960
Speaker 1: on this. Uh. I want and I think this is

45
00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:09,120
Speaker 1: a broadly shared trait of conservatism in this country. I

46
00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,360
Speaker 1: want a White House that pursues policies that are, if not,

47
00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 1: going to make my life better, and I think the

48
00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,960
Speaker 1: government has a pretty limited role in doing that. Uh.

49
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,280
Speaker 1: Hopefully they don't engage in large, unnecessary and very costly

50
00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,520
Speaker 1: wars that could have a very real impact on my life. Um,

51
00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,120
Speaker 1: although in a sense that wars have already had an

52
00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,720
Speaker 1: impact on my life from my my time serving in

53
00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,800
Speaker 1: the government in the past. But you know what I mean.

54
00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,560
Speaker 1: That obviously matters a whole lot whether we go to

55
00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,440
Speaker 1: war with foreign countries, are engaged in military actions abroad

56
00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,880
Speaker 1: that require large numbers of US personnel. Okay, the tax code,

57
00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:00,520
Speaker 1: health care, immigration, major big ticket items that the Trump

58
00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,320
Speaker 1: Agenda is supposed to address, And I could break down

59
00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,080
Speaker 1: in each one of those, how it um, how it

60
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,880
Speaker 1: matters in the day to day. One of the reasons

61
00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,400
Speaker 1: I like to talk to you so much about healthcare

62
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,719
Speaker 1: is because I can't imagine anybody listening has not dealt

63
00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:24,039
Speaker 1: with their fair share of frustrations, disappointments, and maddening delays

64
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,120
Speaker 1: and inadequacies created by the system, not from your own

65
00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,159
Speaker 1: preparation or decision making within the healthcare apparatus. So we

66
00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,840
Speaker 1: all deal with that, right And of course we all

67
00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,359
Speaker 1: have to deal with taxes, whether we even pay in

68
00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 1: the at the end of the day, whether we or

69
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 1: the end of the year, I suppose the end of the

70
00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,680
Speaker 1: the fiscal year, whether we pay taxes or not, that

71
00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,320
Speaker 1: affects us all our businesses, how much everything is that

72
00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279
Speaker 1: we buy. So you see what I'm saying. I first

73
00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,960
Speaker 1: and foremost will judge the administration by its actions, and

74
00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,360
Speaker 1: I think it's too early to say that it has failed. There.

75
00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,479
Speaker 1: I have some concerns, um, I have my my reasons

76
00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:08,440
Speaker 1: for some degree of of not skepticism, but just I'm

77
00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,400
Speaker 1: still cautiously optimistic. I would say that I'm cautiously optimistic.

78
00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,240
Speaker 1: There have been some stumbles, um, But what I think

79
00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,680
Speaker 1: is increasingly clear is that the opposition to Trump isn't

80
00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,400
Speaker 1: really about the policies per se. The media's hatred for

81
00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,599
Speaker 1: Trump is much more cultural. The media's revulsion at all

82
00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,920
Speaker 1: things Trump is, Trump white, the Trumpers. That comes from

83
00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,480
Speaker 1: a place of disdain for those who support Trump, as

84
00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,919
Speaker 1: well as, uh, what Trump represents himself. Now that the

85
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,600
Speaker 1: parts of Trump that upset the media. It's fascinating, really

86
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,840
Speaker 1: because here's a billionaire from New York born and raised

87
00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,760
Speaker 1: New York City, media star, real estate billionaire, has had

88
00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,279
Speaker 1: long sitting relationships with the press. We all have seen

89
00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,880
Speaker 1: the photo of Bill and Hillary at his last wedding.

90
00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,799
Speaker 1: What is it they hate so much about him? And

91
00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,159
Speaker 1: I think that this is this is something you could

92
00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,599
Speaker 1: write a whole book on. I'm I'm sure some people are.

93
00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,360
Speaker 1: If they have not already, I maybe just don't know

94
00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,160
Speaker 1: about them. Why does the media hate Trump so much?

95
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,120
Speaker 1: Considering where he comes from? And uh, and you know

96
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 1: how he comports himself. He is he has thrice married.

97
00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,279
Speaker 1: He is not a social conservative, right he's Uh. You

98
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,200
Speaker 1: you can see how the editorial board of the New

99
00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,560
Speaker 1: York Times, the Washington Post, the l A Times. You

100
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,159
Speaker 1: can guess, or you can point to what it is

101
00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,600
Speaker 1: about someone like a Ted cruise, for example, that they

102
00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 1: object to so much. Right, here's somebody who's avowedly openly

103
00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,680
Speaker 1: very Christian and pro Heartland and Texan and all all that. Right.

104
00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,839
Speaker 1: Or you go down the list of of other Republicans

105
00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,400
Speaker 1: in the past, you know they mit Romney. They you know,

106
00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,800
Speaker 1: he was a very wealthy financier, worked at Bain Capital

107
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,840
Speaker 1: and was incredibly successful. But uh, well, I actually contentially

108
00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640
Speaker 1: how much they hated Romney considering that again not somebody

109
00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,480
Speaker 1: that really culturally should be so bothersome to them. But

110
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,000
Speaker 1: hate is now a unifying theme on the left right,

111
00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,240
Speaker 1: hatred of the enemy. Instead of trying to co opt

112
00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,000
Speaker 1: the enemy, instead of looking for converts, Democrats are always

113
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,000
Speaker 1: looking to find heretics to make examples to the rest.

114
00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:36,960
Speaker 1: And the aggressive, uh and destructive social justice ideology within

115
00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,120
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is now prevalent. That that is now

116
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,040
Speaker 1: in the vanguard, right. This isn't just some fringe gentleman

117
00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 1: um progressive ism that seeks to destroy opposition, humiliate opposition,

118
00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,120
Speaker 1: bring them to their knees, and force them to comply

119
00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,480
Speaker 1: whether they want to or not. Um. That is the

120
00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,440
Speaker 1: the main f heard, if you will, from the modern

121
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 1: Democratic Party right now. I mean they will, they'll you know,

122
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,320
Speaker 1: put some Uh, they'll they'll put some different tones on things,

123
00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,680
Speaker 1: and they'll take a different approach where they need to

124
00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,280
Speaker 1: for the electoral map. But they do view this overall

125
00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:22,720
Speaker 1: as a fight between two narratives of American culture American life,

126
00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,240
Speaker 1: and it's on it's on that front that you see still. Uh,

127
00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,679
Speaker 1: they can't get beyond it with Trump, that he won't

128
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,280
Speaker 1: bow to the media, that he won't agree that they

129
00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,839
Speaker 1: should have the power that they believe they do have, um,

130
00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,120
Speaker 1: that he doesn't concede to them, that he won't kiss

131
00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,640
Speaker 1: up to them, that he won't bend the knee. This

132
00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,640
Speaker 1: enrages them because it's necessary for all of the rest

133
00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,880
Speaker 1: of progressivism. Right. You can't have people that openly questioned

134
00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,280
Speaker 1: and get away with it. You can't have people that

135
00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:58,320
Speaker 1: oppose your main main items on on your agenda, whether

136
00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,680
Speaker 1: it's climate change or socialized medicine, any number of issues.

137
00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,960
Speaker 1: Creating this uh, this increasingly stratified but officially stratified system.

138
00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,120
Speaker 1: UH that the US government comes in and says, well,

139
00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,520
Speaker 1: identity groups, We're going to do this balancing act between

140
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,680
Speaker 1: all these different identity groups and as a matter of law,

141
00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,920
Speaker 1: take power from some, give power to others, give additional

142
00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,120
Speaker 1: legal protections to some take legal protections away from others,

143
00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,080
Speaker 1: as well as in the day to day culture and

144
00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:33,480
Speaker 1: how we talk about um, our lives are, are our entertainment,

145
00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,920
Speaker 1: are politics? Everything? Right? On the cultural front, they absolutely

146
00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,920
Speaker 1: hate Trump. And it's on the cultural front that I think,

147
00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,280
Speaker 1: which is weird. I know, because Trump is in a

148
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:47,040
Speaker 1: sense comes from them, and maybe that's why, uh, that

149
00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,280
Speaker 1: that drives some of the hatred. I think there's a

150
00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 1: a sense that Trump is a turn coat to his class,

151
00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,400
Speaker 1: that he wasn't supposed to take this position, that he

152
00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a a voice for those who forget about

153
00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,640
Speaker 1: on the economic front, and the recent research has has

154
00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,079
Speaker 1: shown this, We've talked about it last week. But on

155
00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:14,440
Speaker 1: the identity front, meaning that there is there's a large

156
00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,480
Speaker 1: portion of the country that's sick of everyone else getting

157
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,600
Speaker 1: to uh define an identity for the purposes of of

158
00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,320
Speaker 1: achieving political power and going to the government and saying that,

159
00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,079
Speaker 1: you know, we we need to be treated a certain

160
00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,840
Speaker 1: way and given certain benefits and have the laws tilted

161
00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,520
Speaker 1: in our favor, even and the media always acting as though,

162
00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,400
Speaker 1: um the different and I'm speaking very broadly here, but

163
00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,000
Speaker 1: all the different victim groups are deserving of so much

164
00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,600
Speaker 1: more and whatever that may mean. You know that to

165
00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,760
Speaker 1: to be believed more than others in a in a

166
00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,680
Speaker 1: court of law, or to be given jobs at the

167
00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,760
Speaker 1: expense of others, are to be given, to be given

168
00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,400
Speaker 1: citizenship more so than others, or in every different aspect

169
00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: of government. Today, the progressives view this as a not

170
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,080
Speaker 1: we're all us citizens or you know, we're all living

171
00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,280
Speaker 1: within the American polity, but every person is to be

172
00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 1: treated differently based on what group that individual fits into.

173
00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,040
Speaker 1: It is a collectivist approach to everything, and Trump speaks

174
00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,200
Speaker 1: for those who are sick of that. So on the

175
00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,000
Speaker 1: cultural front, it's just Trump takes up that. You could say,

176
00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,840
Speaker 1: he's almost like a lawyer who's taken up a case

177
00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280
Speaker 1: for the other side. He's not one of them. I mean,

178
00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,439
Speaker 1: he's not one of the forgotten. Obviously, he's a billionaire, right,

179
00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,000
Speaker 1: he's a Billionaire's incredibly famous and incredibly connected. But he

180
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,520
Speaker 1: is a traitor to his class in the eyes of

181
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,680
Speaker 1: the left, which makes him and untouchable, which makes him terrible.

182
00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,199
Speaker 1: And he continues to withstand their withering assaults and treat

183
00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,719
Speaker 1: them with a disdain that I think they deserve, and

184
00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you agree as well. And in

185
00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,720
Speaker 1: that it is in that clash of cultural narratives that

186
00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,560
Speaker 1: the Trump presidency thus far continues to be successful. It

187
00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,080
Speaker 1: is every time that Trump goes and speaks about respecting

188
00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,480
Speaker 1: and supporting police and not giving a twenty minute lecture

189
00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,959
Speaker 1: beforehand about how black lives matter has really important points

190
00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,600
Speaker 1: that it's trying to make. It's in saying that we

191
00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,800
Speaker 1: will secure the borders, and in not packing down when

192
00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,320
Speaker 1: everyone says, well, that's just so racist and xenophobic. It's

193
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,199
Speaker 1: in we're going to fight Islamic terrorism, radical Islamic terrorism,

194
00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,920
Speaker 1: and in refusing to refuse to say radical Islamic terrorism.

195
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,959
Speaker 1: So in the in the narrative battle, the Trump administration

196
00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,319
Speaker 1: is still successful and still serves a very important purpose.

197
00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,320
Speaker 1: And some of my fellow conservatives that are either never

198
00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,680
Speaker 1: Trump or kind of sort of Trump just a little bit,

199
00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,880
Speaker 1: but are now are seeing some daylight beginning to think

200
00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,400
Speaker 1: that we have reached the the turn in this whole

201
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 1: saga where conservatism will we'll turn on Trump. I don't

202
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,920
Speaker 1: think it's there, and I don't think it should be there,

203
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,080
Speaker 1: because I agree the policy has not yet come through.

204
00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,160
Speaker 1: That's that that is undeniable. Right now, we cannot point

205
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,560
Speaker 1: to any major policy successes of the administration other I

206
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,120
Speaker 1: know Neil Gorcich, I know the judges. That's all. Those

207
00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,800
Speaker 1: are all. Those are all important things that we can

208
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,199
Speaker 1: say are much better than would have been under Hillary.

209
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,800
Speaker 1: And he's not Hillary. But we do expect more than that,

210
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,080
Speaker 1: right But it's okay to expect more than just not Hillary,

211
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240
Speaker 1: but also say, I'm willing to give it time. There's

212
00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,080
Speaker 1: a reason the presidents elected for four years and not

213
00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 1: four months. I'm willing to give this some time and

214
00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,679
Speaker 1: don't and and not lose sight of the fact that

215
00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,360
Speaker 1: this is disruptive, and disruptive means there will be people

216
00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 1: who have ruffled feathers, there will be people who are angry.

217
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,560
Speaker 1: They will be And obviously it's reached a point of

218
00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,880
Speaker 1: of mass psychosis when it comes to Trump. But he

219
00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,199
Speaker 1: has not yet abandoned his willingness to stick his thumb

220
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,040
Speaker 1: in the eye of the opposition. And while I know

221
00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,840
Speaker 1: that some of my my fellow Conservances I very much respect,

222
00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,040
Speaker 1: say that that we should stop fixating on that, I'm

223
00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,360
Speaker 1: not saying that justifies everything. I'm not saying that's the

224
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,400
Speaker 1: end goal. But it is worthwhile because when you had

225
00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,760
Speaker 1: eight years of Obama and a uniform media narrative around

226
00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,160
Speaker 1: him that everything was everything he was doing was awesome,

227
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:45,360
Speaker 1: and the culture in this country in those eight years

228
00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,760
Speaker 1: was becoming what we're seeing now today. What we're seeing

229
00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680
Speaker 1: today but willing to finally call out, which is the uh.

230
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,720
Speaker 1: The intolerance towards free speech, the intolerance towards religion, the

231
00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,320
Speaker 1: totalitarian impulses of the American left were allowed to fester

232
00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,400
Speaker 1: and grow under eight years of Obama. And to begin

233
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,560
Speaker 1: to set that right and to balance it out is

234
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,040
Speaker 1: going to take more than four months of a Trump presidency.

235
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 1: But I will say that just Trump being Trump and

236
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,080
Speaker 1: having the people that he has in office each day

237
00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:25,560
Speaker 1: is a little revolution against the eight years of entrenched

238
00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 1: progressive orthodoxy of the Obama administration. It's not sufficient, it's

239
00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,200
Speaker 1: not everything, but it's important, and I don't think we

240
00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,680
Speaker 1: should lose out of that, because I'm I'm noticing some

241
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,080
Speaker 1: who are already concerned that maybe this is just all

242
00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna fall apart. I don't think we're not there. We're

243
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,760
Speaker 1: certainly not there yet. I don't think we're gonna get there,

244
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to get some perspective here

245
00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:54,040
Speaker 1: and remember what is important about this political moment in time?

246
00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,000
Speaker 1: Why is Trump? Is NUM important? How do we get here?

247
00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,120
Speaker 1: Let's go to a quick break. We'll be right back

248
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,360
Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred buck if you want to

249
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,760
Speaker 1: call in eight four eight to five. Also check out

250
00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,440
Speaker 1: buck sex and dot com Pley's posting stories there throughout

251
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,840
Speaker 1: the day. UM and I'll be running there this week. UM.

252
00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:24,680
Speaker 1: So the travel ban is back in the news because

253
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,080
Speaker 1: the Ninth Circuit is looking at this thing. You've got

254
00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,040
Speaker 1: a three judge Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals panel, which

255
00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 1: is the second court over the last week to look

256
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,480
Speaker 1: at the Trump directive that um bands people from entering

257
00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,440
Speaker 1: the United States from six Muslim majority countries. To call

258
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,320
Speaker 1: it a Muslim ban is inaccurate for reasons we've gone

259
00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,800
Speaker 1: over many times. It's six countries, not the close to

260
00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,160
Speaker 1: fifty countries that are Muslim majority in the world. Forty

261
00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,800
Speaker 1: something I think is the number, UM, And it's a

262
00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,920
Speaker 1: tiny percentage overall of the world's Muslim population. And there

263
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,800
Speaker 1: are exceptions in it, and and I think that there's

264
00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:12,280
Speaker 1: some degree of um criticism coming from from conservatives. Now

265
00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 1: on this one from Republicans, I should say, maybe they're conservatives,

266
00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,919
Speaker 1: maybe they're not. Why why waste time with this? And

267
00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, on the one hand, I'd say, we can't

268
00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,919
Speaker 1: hold Trump to fulfill his promises. And then and then

269
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,680
Speaker 1: when he tries to philip promise, why is he trying

270
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,399
Speaker 1: to fulfill the promise? Right? So he said he was

271
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,400
Speaker 1: going to do this in the campaign trail, and here

272
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,400
Speaker 1: we are now and he is trying to do this,

273
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,640
Speaker 1: which is to lessen the chances that we would be

274
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:48,840
Speaker 1: hit with terrorism from one of these countries. And it

275
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,639
Speaker 1: comes after we saw the refugee flow into Europe resulting

276
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,560
Speaker 1: in well, first of all, a lot of criminal problems,

277
00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,560
Speaker 1: but also um there were Isis efforts to use the

278
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 1: refugee float as to infiltrate Europe. So that was a

279
00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,480
Speaker 1: real thing that was ongoing, UH and a concern that

280
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 1: if the president did not address that, if President Trump

281
00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:20,320
Speaker 1: did not take action to shore up US immigration policy

282
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,960
Speaker 1: such that it wasn't an open door for someone from

283
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,159
Speaker 1: the Islamic State to penetrate into well, I shouldn't say penetrate,

284
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,520
Speaker 1: just walacea on into this country and engage in an

285
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 1: attack he said he wanted better vetting. He said he

286
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:40,120
Speaker 1: wanted to just pause this, pause the travel from six countries.

287
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,399
Speaker 1: And if you didn't do that, I'm sure the Democrats

288
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,040
Speaker 1: would be calling him incompetent in demanding impeachment. But they

289
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 1: demand impeachment so much that it's hard to know when

290
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 1: when they're really serious or if this is just now

291
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,400
Speaker 1: some me jerk response we get from them all the time.

292
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like Trump, therefore I will call

293
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,640
Speaker 1: him a fascist and demand his impeachment. This has been

294
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 1: normalized on the left. But the travel ban is very

295
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 1: interesting because the travel ban is bringing together a number

296
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,160
Speaker 1: of important aspects of this presidency. One the judiciary used

297
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 1: as or or seen by the left as a break

298
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 1: on Trump's agenda um, but also it raises some questions

299
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,399
Speaker 1: about what the left really values and cares about and

300
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 1: what risks it's willing to take and its multicultural diversity crusade,

301
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,159
Speaker 1: including risk to US security. I'm gonna talk to you

302
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 1: a lot more about that on the flip side of

303
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: this break Team, Stay with me. Welcome back to the

304
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 1: Freedom hud On, an island of liberty where you're the

305
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks

306
00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: it off another round in the about another around in

307
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: the fight ongoing of the travel band, the Trump travel band,

308
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 1: the band that is not a band, the band that

309
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: is a temporary stay or a temporary hold on travel

310
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: from six of the world's Muslim majority countries. And the

311
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: Democrats view this, of course, as an opportunity to not

312
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: just stymy the Trump administration's agenda, but to relitigate, literally

313
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 1: relitigate one of their favorite points from the election, which

314
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 1: is that Trump is a Trump is a racist, Trump

315
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: is a bigot, Trump is an islamophobe. That was something

316
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: that when I was over at CNN and trying to

317
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: speak about policy matters, all you had to do was

318
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: go on TV and say Trump's a racist, Trump's a bigot,

319
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: and people would clap and say, oh, you're so wise,

320
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 1: they're so smart. Thank you so much for that a

321
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: student analysis, And I sit there like, uh, pretty pretty sure.

322
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: Radical Islamic terrorism is a thing that we that we

323
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: might be able to talk about at some length. And

324
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: those who believe in the truth over what feels good,

325
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 1: the truth over political correctness, the truth over worship of diversity,

326
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: as a kind of secular religion. They see what goes

327
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 1: on with the media and even with the Obama administration

328
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: and the unwillingness to be truthful and honest about where

329
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: there's more likely to be a threat of terrorism and

330
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: how we should deal with this, and they say, I

331
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: just can't trust these people, and they're right, they can't

332
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: because the primary goal of national security is placed behind

333
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: the goal of progressive diversity. And what is really a relativism,

334
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: a form of relativism which is, well, you know, there's terrorism,

335
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: everyone commits. Terror is m I Amber some years back,

336
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: you know what was it? There was there were some

337
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: columns even after nine eleven or people saying, well, you

338
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: know we we still need to be worried about Timothy

339
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: McVeigh and Christian terrorism. One timothic veigh is not not

340
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 1: a Christian, certainly wasn't doing a name of Christianity. But

341
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 1: there's the false equivalency game something that they love to

342
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: do on this And occasionally I'll pop up somewhere and

343
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 1: get a chance to debate whether Islamic terrorism radical Islamic terrorism, um,

344
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: although if it's terrorism committed by somebody who's a Muslim

345
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: in the name of Islam, I think you could call

346
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: it Islamic terrorism. Doesn't mean that all of Islam is terrorism.

347
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: And you know, we youve got to jump through all

348
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: these semantic hoops and games. A very small percentage of

349
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: people in the Islamic faith or terrorists. We all know this.

350
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: We're adults. We can have an adult conversation about this.

351
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: But if you you see, if you don't, it's it's

352
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: like it's like not giving one of those warnings on

353
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: a commercial where people are, you know, horseback riding on

354
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: the beach, and it's like, well, this is new drug

355
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: may give you, you know, dry mouth, heart palpitations, you know,

356
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: and they go through this long list of you know,

357
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: your your teeth may turn yellow, and your hair may

358
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: fall out, and your this and these are the it's

359
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: for for legal reasons. You gotta go through the stuff,

360
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: or it's you know, you can get sued, you get

361
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: in trouble. It's also how and some of those commercials

362
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: for different financial products, they run script at the bottom

363
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: of the page. At the end, you're like, well, nobody

364
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: could read that, but I guess you gotta put it

365
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: up there. Whatever it is you're putting up there on

366
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: the screen, nobody can read it. When you're discussing radical

367
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Islamic terrorism, how much just geehoti ism. There we go.

368
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: When you're discussing gehotism, you have to put in the

369
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: provisos and the the prefaces, or else you can be

370
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: accused of bigot tree Islama fo and then and then

371
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: you're automatic and then you're on defense, and everything else

372
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: you say goes away. So that but the travel band

373
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: is really about whether Trump and the Republicans are racist.

374
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: It's it's not about security, it's not about constitutionalism. It's

375
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: let's try, let's have a big legal battle over whether

376
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: Trump is anti Muslim. That's how the left sees, and

377
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: everything else is noise and legal ease and and pretense.

378
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: The reality is that this is about whether Trump is

379
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: anti Muslim. And you have Judge Ninth Circuit Court Judge

380
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: Neil kat y'allum saying that well, saying a few things,

381
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: including that Congress is not going back to the way

382
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: it used to be. Congress said in we are changing

383
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: fundamentally what our immigration system is about, and we're not

384
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: going to engage in nationality based discrimination anymore. And that

385
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: extends even to non immigrant visas. Uh. We we do

386
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: make all kinds of distinctions about uh immigrants. So I

387
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: don't really know where this guy is getting this um.

388
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: They change the formula. But there are some countries from

389
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: which we get a lot more immigrants than there are

390
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: other countries. So it's not like it's shared among all

391
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: nations and we give them an equal number of visas

392
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: based on the percentage of the global population or something. No,

393
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: there's some countries that have preference over others in all

394
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: of this um and this This judge, though, and the

395
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: judges that are with him, are looking first and foremost

396
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: that whether or not Trump's comments on the campaign trail

397
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: mean that his intent is discriminate or discriminatory. Now, this

398
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: is a a point of legal analysis for the left

399
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: that extends well beyond this particular order. In fact, never

400
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: mind just discriminatory intent, we could also look at disparate impact.

401
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: And you're like, well, Buck, what's disparate impact? So discriminatory

402
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: intent before I get to disparate impact, would be that

403
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: even if the even if the words of the law

404
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: aren't discriminating, the effect of the law is supposed to

405
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: be discriminatory, right, So and you have to prove this somehow,

406
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: And that's what they're going through right now. Disparate impact

407
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: is not only does the left object to all the

408
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: left object if they think there's a discriminatory intent, but

409
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: even if they just intent is not discriminatory. But a

410
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: law affects a population negatively, of course it has to

411
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: be one of the previously identified and protected communities, whatever

412
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: that may mean. The left gets to determine these designations,

413
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: not me UM. If it affects a victimized community in

414
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: the in the sort of leftist version of of of America, UM,

415
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: then it can be disparate impact. So you can pass

416
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: a law that doesn't on its face is not does

417
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: in no way discriminates. In the text of the law,

418
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: it says, you know, nobody can do X, nobody in

419
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: America can do X. And then people will say, well,

420
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: if you're really saying that because only this group of

421
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: pop only this group of people even wants to do X,

422
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: for example, then that's discriminatory intent. If it's well, this

423
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: there's one group that is more harmed by its inability

424
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: to do X than others. That's just that can be

425
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: disparate impact. So a law can't just be a law

426
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: that we all read and obey. They view this as

427
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: a grounds for UM trying to balance and litigate and

428
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: fight over the impact of the law. And with the

429
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: immigration order from the Trump administration, the real question becomes

430
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: for them, right not it's not does this does this

431
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: make national security better? Is there what a reasonable commander

432
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: in chief? We'll forget about a reasonal kind of chief?

433
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Does it? Manter chief have the authority to do this,

434
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: as we saw with the comy firing last week, Even

435
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: when there's no question whatsoever that the president is allowed

436
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: to do something. When this president does it, it's precedent.

437
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: It it's terrible, it's scary, it's oh my gosh, what

438
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? So they won't even concede though,

439
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: that the president has the right to do what he

440
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: did here as commander in chief. In this case, UM

441
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: deciding that there are some countries that are more prone

442
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: to terrorism, and of course he borrowed that list from

443
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: the Obama administration, and anybody with access to newspapers or

444
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: Google could tell you that there's a greater concern, there

445
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: would be a greater concern of radicalization and transnational jihadiest

446
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: terrorism from those countries. Then say from uh Norway, UM,

447
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: so that's where this all comes together. Here's one part

448
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: of this discussion. This one one part of this debate

449
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: that that I think is often overlooked. So you got

450
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: these judges and they're saying, we're not going back. Well,

451
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: let let me give you the Trump the the administration

452
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: has the the US Solicitor arguing in favor of and

453
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: then I'll give you my my little special take on

454
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: what I think this tells us that what he's concerned about,

455
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: he's really two things. One the ties between terrorist groups

456
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: and these six countries that were listed by Congress in

457
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: the previous administration, and the concern that the governments of

458
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: those countries and the deteriorating conditions in places like Iran

459
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: and Syria may mean we're not getting reliable information. And

460
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: so what the President found was he said, look, I

461
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: find that it would be detrimental to let in their

462
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: nationals for a brief period of ninety days, while I

463
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: ascertain whether the vetting procedures that we have in place

464
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: for these countries are actually adequate. So he wasn't saying

465
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I find that it would be detrimental because they're all dangerous,

466
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: or they all or potential terrorists or anything like that.

467
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: He was saying, in the face of uncertainty about whether

468
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: we're getting good information from their governments so that we

469
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: can screen them out in the visa process, I'm gonna

470
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: put a temporary hold subject to the to the visa waiver.

471
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty reasonable, doesn't it. And yet here we are

472
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: being told that it's a it's a Muslim band, people

473
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: writing editorials and major newspapers calling it a Muslim band,

474
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: even though it is clearly not. And that is a

475
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: dishonest thing to say about this, That the previous statements

476
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: of somebody who's party to a legal action that has

477
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the specific legal action, uh could

478
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: somehow be brought to bear on the case opens up

479
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: a tremendous uh number of problems. I mean, this is

480
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: a legal Pandora's box because, for example, I mean, if

481
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: you sign a contract with somebody and let's say on

482
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: a home, and they want to get out of it,

483
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and now what can and even though everything in the

484
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: contract is legitimate and was duly executed, are they allowed

485
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: to go back and find something that you you know,

486
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: wrote on Facebook three years ago that shows that you know,

487
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: you don't like you know, you don't like unitarians or something,

488
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: and turns out their unitarian and so maybe you're discriminating

489
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: against them, and that's why you're not gonna, you know,

490
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: renew their lease or you know whatever. So can you

491
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: just bring up stuff that has nothing to do with

492
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: UH that that is irrelevant to the case it had?

493
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the answer now as we see it is yes.

494
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: There's another point though, that I think is often overlooked here.

495
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: We are led to believe by our own media that

496
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: there is this bias against on the right with conservatives,

497
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: people and Trump at the at the height of the

498
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: Republican Party, but the Republican Party and UH and conservatives

499
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: and the alt right, which is a much exaggerated force

500
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: in politics and a much exaggerated ideology in terms of

501
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: its impact. Um, but we're we are told that they

502
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: are anti Muslim, mostly out of out of racial animus,

503
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and that the concerns that people pretend to have or

504
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: the considered people have over terrorism and the Islamic community

505
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: and the disparate impact you could say the Islamic community

506
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: has when it comes to terrorism around the world. I

507
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: think it's a fair usage of disparate impact. Um, We're

508
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: we're led to believe by our own media, and I

509
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: mean the the preening and self righteousness over it at

510
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: CNN and MSNBC on this topic is it exceeds almost

511
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: any other. I mean, this is they they loved. Oh,

512
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: there's no there's no connection between Islamic belief and and

513
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: jihad iss terrorism. There's no connection. I mean, and then

514
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: you can sit there like, well, I mean, we could

515
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: go through how every major Boslim country that anyone can

516
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: at least think of all the top of their head

517
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: around the world has at least one major terrorist group

518
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: that certainly believes it's Islamic in it. You know, we

519
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: could go through the State Departments counter Terrorism report and

520
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: the numbers of fail attacks lethal attacks around the world,

521
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: and how many of those are committed by Islamic terrorists.

522
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you could go through the whole process of argument,

523
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: and it's worthwhile because they start to stutter and stammer

524
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: and just call you a racist and a xenophobe when

525
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: you do um. But then there's also I think a

526
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: much more uh overlooked approach to this, and and that's

527
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: the following. If the American right, if conservatives, Republicans, maybe

528
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you throw libertarians and there it

529
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: depends on the day, Uh, if they're so opposed to

530
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: Islam because it's it's racial meaning it's a skin color thing,

531
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: it's a non white thing. Um. Isn't it interesting that

532
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: the Trump administration uh is not trying to ban um

533
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: or or you know, was not in any way accused

534
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: of trying to limit people from or or target people

535
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: from countries that are also non white. And yet and

536
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: there's no counter terrorism concerned about them. Right. You'll you'll

537
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: notice that we have in America roughly the same number

538
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: of Buddhists as we who are predominantly non white, as

539
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: we do Muslims rough less, but in the same ballpark.

540
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they're about three to four million Muslim Americans

541
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: in this country. You've got about three million Ish Buddhists

542
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: in this country. Um, And I mean these numbers are

543
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: in exact, but this is these are what the estimates

544
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: are based on census data and all the rest. You know,

545
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: you've got over a million uh Seeks who are South

546
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Asian and so ethnically are would be you know, different

547
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: religion and culture and different in many cases in language

548
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: than say a an Islamist from Pakistan from Pakistan, But

549
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: in terms of ethnicity, you're starting to you're starting to

550
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: get very limited in your ability to to differentiate. But

551
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: there's not a there's no anti Seekh sentiment in this country.

552
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: There's no anti Buddhist sentiment in this country. There's no

553
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: targeting of those communities when it comes to counter terrorism

554
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: operations in a way that the a c l U

555
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: Is always screaming about. And I just think it's fair

556
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: to ask, well, why is that? If it's really that

557
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: the Muslim community is is persecuted by conservatives in America

558
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: because conservatives just don't like not non white people, really,

559
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: which is which is what the left says, this is there,

560
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: this is there a lot of artments what they say,

561
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: But there's not a similar targeting of many other quote targeting, right,

562
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: there's not a similar focus on many other non white groups.

563
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: And in fact, conservatives tend to be very welcoming of

564
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: legal immigrants, no matter what their skin color is. So

565
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: if this is a function of bigotry and not national

566
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: security concern, when we are looking at Muslim majority countries

567
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: and even the uh Muslim population as an incubator of

568
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: possible terror is um in very small numbers, that is

569
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: a very small percentage of the whole. Why is there

570
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: that disparity? You just you'll notice that right now, no

571
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: one's ever sitting around saying we need to set up

572
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: counter terrorism units or look into other um non white

573
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: immigrant communities in this country. And so, well, why is that?

574
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe the focus on Islamic um extremism and

575
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: radical Islamic terrorism has to do with national security and

576
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: not bigotry. All right, hitting a break, We'll be right back.

577
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: He spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna spread itself.

578
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: Buck sex in his back. Got breaking news, my friends,

579
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: And it might be breaking fake news, but right now

580
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: everyone's running with it in all the major newspapers, New

581
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: York Times, Washington Post, et ceter. Here's the Times headline.

582
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Trump revealed highly classified intelligence to Russia in break with ally,

583
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: officials say, and this is what the body of the

584
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: peace starts with. President Trump boasted about highly classified intelligence

585
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: in a meeting with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador

586
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: last week, providing details that could expose the source of

587
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: the information and the manner in which it was collected.

588
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: A current and former American government official said the intelligence

589
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: disclosed by Mr Trump in a meeting with Saragey V Lavrov,

590
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: the Russian foreign Minister, and Saragey kisley Ak, the Russian

591
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: ambassador United States wasn't about was about an Islamic state plot.

592
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: According to the officials for an ally that closely guarded

593
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: its own secrets provided the information, which was considered so

594
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: sensitive that American officials did not share it wildly in

595
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: the United States government or pass it on two allies. Um,

596
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: what is going on with this? Certainly worth us digging

597
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: into it a bit more because by the time we

598
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: get the details otherwise true or not, the damage will

599
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: have been done to this administration. We've got Michael Pregent

600
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: on the phone now to work through this with us.

601
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: He's a foreign policy national security expert an adjunct fellow

602
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: at the Hudson Institute. Michael, great to have you, sir, Hey,

603
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: thanks for having me block. I appreciate it. Uh what

604
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: do we know about this? I mean, already I'm seeing

605
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: reports that hr McMaster, the National Security Visor, said quote

606
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: at no time where any intel sources or methods discussed,

607
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: and no military ops disclosed that we're not already known publicly.

608
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: So why why is everyone acting like this is uh,

609
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh for alarm fire. Well, the thing is

610
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: that quote is actually from a Washington Post piece, that

611
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: quote itself coming from h mc master actually um goes

612
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: against the headline. It actually refutes the story. I've worked

613
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: with HR. A lot of people trust him across the aisle.

614
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: He is a solid individual, and that the president was

615
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: doing something he should have done. HR would have the

616
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: leaks would have actually been HR erupts very meeting when

617
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: Trump reveals classified information. So I think that that quote

618
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: from HR, it's in the Washington Post article, refutes the

619
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: refutes the story in my in my opinion, And do

620
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: we do we know anything else about I mean what

621
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: I want to know, uh, first and foremost is how

622
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: could this information need? Who are the I know we're

623
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to just close source of the methods,

624
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: but I mean the source for the Washington Post piece,

625
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: meaning who who's relaying this kind of information? And I

626
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: feel like people keep ringing up that Trump and the

627
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: intel community have a difficult relationship. Well it sounds like

628
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: people on the inside keep on trying to undermine Trump

629
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: by talking to the press. Well, we know, how often

630
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: do you have an anonymous source for the intelligence community.

631
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: Let's wait and see if there are anonymous sources from

632
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Let's say HR is lying. That's not

633
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You are not going to get the c

634
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: I A or d N S A or d I

635
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: A or the d N I to come out and

636
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: say that the National Security Advisor is lying. So let's

637
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: wait for that. But know the statement in itself. You know,

638
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: sources and methods, that's that's what the president has to protect.

639
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: But the president still authorized to discuss classified information with

640
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: whether he is actually a declass authority, and that's a

641
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: separate issue. But for this headline to come out and

642
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: say that he did this, and of course the Russian

643
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: everything is about Russia. But to have this quote by HR,

644
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's the most powerful rebuttal you

645
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: can have to the article itself that H. Truman, Master,

646
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: are well respected man who is currently the National Security Advisor,

647
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: says it's not true. And he's somebody who's also been

648
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: written about in recent weeks as willing to challenge Trump

649
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: and even be kind of a pain to Trump when

650
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: it comes to some issues of policy and how they

651
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: discuss terrorism and right, I mean so hr Master feels

652
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: like he's able to speak up and say and say

653
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah. I've sit in the rooms where where

654
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: h Rman Master spoke as a learning front of General Patreis,

655
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: and General Patreia said, I got it, a R I

656
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: got it all right, I got it. So Hrs the

657
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: right man to tell the president when he's doing something wrong.

658
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: And if HR thought that the President was giving the

659
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: Russians intel that they shouldn't have had, we would have

660
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: had anonymous sources from those meetings or from the White

661
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: House or from whoever saying that HR was upset with Trump.

662
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: And we're not hearing that. And I'm waiting to hear

663
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: the I C refute McMaster, and that's not likely to

664
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: happen moving UH. If we can to the broader Trump

665
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: I see issues that that still are out there. Um, Michael,

666
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: I contend that I have for a while that if there,

667
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: because we know we have the Sally Yates testimony where

668
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: she said she couldn't confirm or deny the existence of

669
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: infra of information that would lead one to believe that

670
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: the Trump uh campaign colluded with Russia. Of two things. One,

671
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: do do you think that that response was completely Uh

672
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: did did that passed the smell test for you? And

673
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: to UH, do you would you say? It's fair that

674
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: if there was information that showed that Trump was working

675
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: with the Russians, we would know about it, meaning if

676
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: anybody in the intel community had seen that somehow, it

677
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: would have found its way already to the Washington Post

678
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: of the New York Times. I have no doubt that

679
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: if there was collusion, it would have leaked already, just

680
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: because of the that that relationship that you're talking about

681
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: between the intelligence community and the Trump administration. We saw

682
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the leak with General Form and that was highly cost

683
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: of my information that was that was sig signals intelligence

684
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: that was leaked about General Flynt's conversation with the Russians.

685
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: If there was collusion, again he and I Clapper said

686
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: there wasn't, and then recently has now excused himself by saying, well,

687
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: I left in December two thousand and sixteen, so I

688
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: don't know what happened after that. Um I, I wouldn't

689
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: be surprised if if it wouldn't have been leaked already.

690
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: And because it hasn't been leaked, and because it's so

691
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: paramount that it did, it did that connection be made

692
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: that it would have been leaked by now. Again, if

693
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: there's evidence, I'll be the first one to say there's

694
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: evidence and people should go to jail for it. But

695
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: this right now appears to be a a a story

696
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: without legs, and this Washington Post piece is the same thing.

697
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: Speaking to Michael Pregan, he's a foreign policy and national

698
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: security expert and an adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute. Um, Michael,

699
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: what do you think of clappers statement? Former D and

700
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: I Clapper over the weekend saying the following the developments

701
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: of the past week very bothersome very disturbing to me.

702
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: I think in many ways, our institutions are under assault

703
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: both externally, and that's that's the big news here is

704
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: the Russian interference in our election system. And I think

705
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: as well, our institutions are under assault internally internally from

706
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: the president exactly because he's firing the checks and balances. Well,

707
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, the founding fathers UH, in

708
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: their genius, created a system of three cowekal branches branches

709
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: of government and UH and a built in system of

710
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: checks and balances, And I feel as though that's that's

711
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: under assault in his roading. Are you surprised at how

712
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: quiet Republicans on Capitol Hell have been? Uh, Clapper is

713
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: not a constitutional expert. But what is he referring to

714
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: with the assault on the institutions? I just what do

715
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: you think he's getting at? Well? I was also an

716
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: intelligenceauser for twenty years, so I worked for Clappers when

717
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: he was when he was o D. And I so

718
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: what I would say to that is, um, the Russian interference,

719
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: at best was was proxies using are hacking into the

720
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: d n C and also hacking into podestity. And also

721
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: tell us what we already new about debraah Wiseman Schiltz

722
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: and Hillary Clinton. At least the the emails that were

723
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: leaked corresponded with thought that was already out there in

724
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: legitimate media, meaning New York Times, Washington Post, and the

725
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. Uh. And I said legitimate medium, And

726
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: of course we're talking about a Washington Post story here.

727
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: But but the one thing that I would say about

728
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: constitutional scholar Clapper is that the Constitution gives the president

729
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: the right to pick who's in his cabinet and who

730
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: actually represents different organizations within government. Uh. Three hours before

731
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Clapper was fired set andretta piece criticizing him for forgetting

732
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: it wrong on the number of emails sent to to

733
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: whom Aberdeen's husband and and they were saying that he

734
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: was incompetent, and then three hours later from fires and

735
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: and everybody's on his on the defense. So it depends

736
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: on the hour of the day whether you're whether you

737
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: are a a fan of County And I think I

738
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: think Clapper's trying to recover from his testimony because he

739
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: didn't even know there was a current surgeon counter intel

740
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: investigation on Flynn that started in July of two fifteen.

741
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: When we say seventeen intelligence agencies and the and the

742
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: OD and I is in charge of those other sixteen,

743
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: you would think that Clapper would know that the FBI

744
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: is actually investigating one of his former d i A directors. Yeah,

745
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: what do you think of Yates saying that she couldn't

746
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: confirm or deny the existence of because she was saying

747
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: that it's it's classified, but I telling us how she

748
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: would know that might be classified, but saying that there's

749
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: evidence of collusion. She could have evidence of collusion because

750
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: somebody mailed her a letter that has you know, has

751
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: the evidence in it. I don't know. I mean, I

752
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: I just didn't buy that. I thought that was I

753
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: thought that was a dodge. I mean, I just think

754
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: that she implied that because the National Security Advisor Flynn

755
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: at the time had a conversation with the Russian ambassador

756
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: on sanctions, that somehow Flynn could be compromised or blackmail

757
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: for that conversation, a conversation that that would be easily

758
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: dealt with had that been leaked, or had that been

759
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: any attempt at a blackmail position. So I just think

760
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: she's exaggerated the level of Russian influence influence from this election. Again,

761
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: we're Americans. Look what they do to Eastern Europe. They

762
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: they they intimidate, the assassinate. They paid ransoms, they pay bribes,

763
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: not ransoms. They kidnapped people in order to get ransoms.

764
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: They intimidate, They do a lot of things. In this case,

765
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: they had at best, they had proxies get it cracked

766
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: into the DNC and to the Podesta's emails, to a

767
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: fishing scheme and leak emails on Hillary Clinton and Wiseman

768
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: Schultz that were already known in in open source media. Yeah,

769
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: it's not even a good plot. I've been saying this

770
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: now for for months. This isn't It's not like they

771
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: came up with some brilliant strategy that was clearly going

772
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: to turn the election for Trump. To take the risk

773
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: of collusion for which there is still no evidence, but

774
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: to take that risk of collusion based on what happened

775
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: just be insane to me. Michael that that's what I

776
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: can't get beyond. It doesn't even make sense. Even if

777
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: you thought Trump was willing to uh play that that dirty.

778
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: The irony is the coming letter was hundred times more

779
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: damaging than who would clem then the Russian interference and

780
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: and now company is being defended. I think in my

781
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: personal team, and I think that Tomy was trying to

782
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: use the office to do whatever he could have showed

783
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: that the Russians played more of a role than he

784
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: his letter did, in order to protect his reputation. I

785
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: think the administration just got tired of that. And Wendy,

786
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: where do you think this all goes? By this this

787
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: effort to to undermine the whole Trump administration with the

788
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: Russian investigation and also with reports about how he handles

789
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: classified and his inability to maneuver through the national security side,

790
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: of things. He's the president, he's the he's the top

791
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: de class authority on intel. Uh. Even the Washington Post

792
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: article says, if he did share it, it's still legal

793
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: because he's the president and he could declassify. He can

794
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: share intel that he wants to. And McMaster mc master's

795
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: source or his quote is the most important thing. No

796
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: sources and methods were revealed. Nothing was said to the

797
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: Russians that wasn't already known in public media. And that's

798
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: what the article says. And if people actually read the

799
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: whole article instead of jumping on the headline, they would

800
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: see that the article actually deconstructs itself. So credit to

801
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the authors by actually for actually including a TERMC Master's

802
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: quote in there and actually saying that the president can

803
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: actually declass intel products and it's well within his legal

804
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: rights to speak. Speaking to Michael Present of the Hudson Institute,

805
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: UM his foreign policy not security expert and has has

806
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: had a long time in the business. Uh, Michael, one

807
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: more for before we let you get back to everything

808
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: else you got going on here. When people say the

809
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: I s s against Trump, UM and and that's indicative

810
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: of well I don't, it's it shows that Trump can't

811
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: handle national security, or that Trump can't be trusted, whatever,

812
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: what's your response to that. Well, Listen, I've always said

813
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: that Trump will be the most accountable president we've ever had.

814
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: If he screws up, he's not gonna have Republicans line

815
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: up behind him and support him. You're gonna have a

816
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: truly bipartisan effort to hold the president accountable. This is

817
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: not that, uh, the intel community again, the the operators

818
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: in the field. Uh. In mind, from what I've taught,

819
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: the people I've talked to are are happy with the

820
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: Trump and position. Our special operators in the field are

821
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: happy with the Trump as a commander in chief. Maddie

822
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: and McMaster are happy in the commander in chief that

823
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: they have. We can't defend tweets, we can't defend statements.

824
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: But you look at the people that are making these

825
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: decisions in the intelligence community and also in our military,

826
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: and they are the right people. From Pompeo as CIA Director,

827
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: coaches d n I, Maddie Secretary Defense, and the Massions

828
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: a security adviser. Those are solid people. There of credible people,

829
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: and they're the ones making these decisions. Michael Pregant of

830
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: the Hudson Institute, check out his latest on Hudson dot org,

831
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Who going to direct folks, Michael Um, We

832
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: we just need to pay attention. You know, I think

833
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: that this information was shared with Russia on ISIS so

834
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: they would actually do something in Syria. Russia is no

835
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: ally in the fight against THISUS and Syria. Just may

836
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: be a way to call them on it by sharing

837
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: something that they should actually deal with, and when they don't,

838
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: this administrator will know that Russia is not an ally

839
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: in the fight against aisas. They're simply there to keep

840
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: uside in power. All Right, Mike, great to have you.

841
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us and the team. We'll be

842
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: right back. So this might be breaking fake news. We've

843
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: got National Security Advisor McMaster came out, this is this

844
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 1: is just happening while we're on air. Who came out

845
00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: and uh read a sixty second long, well basically sixty

846
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: second long that whole Washington Post New York Times support

847
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: about UM telling the Russians classified stuff is just a

848
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: giant pilot crap. It's just nonsense. It's it's not true. Hey,

849
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: let's just let's say it everybody. You can say it

850
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: with the one, two three fake news. It's fake news.

851
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: You can say, Oh, but they're relying on sources and

852
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: they're reporting it in good faith. Uh, it either happened

853
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: or it didn't. And if it didn't happen, and if

854
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: it and now they're gonna have to call McMaster a

855
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: liar as well. Um, if it didn't happen, then they've

856
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: reported something that is that is not that is not true,

857
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: and they've created a story where there is no story

858
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: that is fake news. It's maybe not Russian propaganda level

859
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: fake news about you know, creating a story out of

860
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: whole cloth with no sources, but it's still fake, maybe

861
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: just less fake than some other stuff it McMaster saying

862
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: that it is completely completely without merit um and read

863
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: a sixty second response on it. You also have trying

864
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: to see where we had another Other White House officials

865
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: have come out to talk about this one. They're all

866
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: saying the same thing, which is that this is nothing. Uh.

867
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: At no time or any intelligence sources or methods discussed

868
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: the new military operations. I told you about that before. Um, yep,

869
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. Uh. Also, you've got administration officials

870
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: all saying this Deputy National's Curry advisor Dina Palell says flatly,

871
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: this story is false and the President only discussed the

872
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: common threats that both countries faced. So which is it, everybody?

873
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: Is this a story or not? Pretty sure it's not,

874
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: And yet main headline on the New York Times made

875
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: headline the Washington Post. Here's an important part of all this.

876
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: They even with uncertainty about the story already, if there

877
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: is a retraction tomorrow, a lot of those reading this

878
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 1: New York Times Washington Washington Post headline about Trump disclosing

879
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: classified information to the Russians and a meeting with them

880
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: and an open and a meeting with him that he's

881
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, other people around for they'll still believe it tomorrow.

882
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: They won't change their minds on this one. Uh, it

883
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Even if the Times end the Washington Post

884
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: print attraction, which they will not do. At at best,

885
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: they may put an addendum to the story and say, hey,

886
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: this is the latest on this. You know, YadA, YadA, etcetera, etcetera. Um,

887
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: and they'll do a slow walk back. But they will

888
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: not retract because the attraction is too much of a

889
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: of a of admitting that, yeah, we just made a

890
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff up. Even when they did, it doesn't matter.

891
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: They won't they won't do a full scale retraction. But

892
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: here we are. It's it's the it's the number one

893
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: making new story across the country right now as I'm

894
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: on air that the President the United States was just now.

895
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: It's it's not illegal, the president can say anything early

896
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: in terms of classified um, but that he was reckless

897
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: and stupid and incompetent. That's what they're saying. That's what

898
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: the implication is, and that's what the that's why the

899
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: stories are getting so much traction and um. Of course

900
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: it's with a Russian right that that shouldn't be lost

901
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: to anyone either. Oh, he's telling the Russians more than

902
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: he should. Why would he do that? Again? Motivation is

903
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: a very powerful piece that you need to keep in

904
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: mind whenever doing analysis. And there's no reason for Trump

905
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 1: to tell the Russians sensitive information about anything in this

906
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: in this kind of a form. And we've already got

907
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: major denials, including from McMaster, who is willing to call

908
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: Trump out and stand up to him on issues when

909
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: he disagrees with him. And this is a pretty definitive

910
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, one way or the other things. So, you know,

911
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: what do we call it when the media runs with

912
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: a story that's not a real story. I need someone

913
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: to give me a term. If it's not fake news,

914
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: it's got to be something. I'm pretty sure it's fake news. Though.

915
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. The Freedom Hunt rocks online too.

916
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: You can hang out with Team Buck anytime. Plus get

917
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: bucks the latest news and analysis. Go to buck Sexton

918
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. A lot of design.

919
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: The Buck is back. Do you think it's fake news

920
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump revealed classified to the Russians? Eight four buck?

921
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: Let me know what do you think about this? It's

922
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: the main news story now that is catching traction on

923
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: websites across the country. Here's what the National Security Advisor

924
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: h R. McMaster had to say. Master lets the civil

925
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: aviation at no time, at no time or until its

926
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: sources or methods discussed, and the President did not disclose

927
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: any military operations that were not already publicly known to

928
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: other senior officials who were present, including the Secretary of State.

929
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: Remember the being the same way and have said so

930
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: for on the record. Accouchoul outweigh those of anonymous sources

931
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: and I was in the room. It didn't happen. It

932
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: didn't happen. It didn't happen. That's what he's saying. So

933
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 1: is McMaster a liar or did the press decide they

934
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: were going to run with this before they got all

935
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: their facts straight because it hurts Trump obvious, makes Trump

936
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: look bad. It's not illegal, but makes them look bad.

937
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: If it makes Trump look bad, they want to run

938
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: with it. This is a compulsion for the media. They

939
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: can't help themselves. They think they they think they're doing

940
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: the work of shedding light on democracy by undermining the

941
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: president of this country. Let that one simmer for a

942
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: minute in your mind. David Arizona, what's all my friend? Oh?

943
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: Sheill t Hi? What a show? Thank you? So I

944
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: listened to you. I get so fired up, and I

945
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: finally decided to call and ask you because I bought

946
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: this a lot of time listening in your commentary, At

947
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: what point does this concerted effort of packs of fake news,

948
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: of all this deception, when does this rise to a

949
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: level of, like you just said, undermine and overthrowing the

950
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: legitimate government elected by the people. When does this become treason?

951
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: In your in your mind, I want to hear your opinion,

952
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh, well, it won't amount words that. You know,

953
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: you can advocate for the impeachment and the imprisonment of

954
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: the president through judicial proceedings legally, right. You can say

955
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: I want the president to be impeached. You can say

956
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: I want the president to be impeached and prosecute um,

957
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: but it's irresponsible to do so. I think it hurts

958
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: the country to do so. But it's not illegal, uh

959
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: to advocate for that necessarily. So um, that's you know

960
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: that with the media is trying to turn public opinion

961
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: so far against this president that I don't know. I

962
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: think they want him to resign and then Mike Pence

963
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: becomes president, and they might they might even dislike Pence,

964
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: or I should say they might dislike Pence policies even

965
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: more than Trump policies. I don't know if they realize

966
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: what they'd be getting into with a with a Pence presidency,

967
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be able to hammer him for uh,

968
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, colorful language or a a difficult personal past

969
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: or anything. I mean, Pence is a very stand up

970
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: guy with an impeccable record. But yeah, I mean, Dave,

971
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: they they are definitely trying to create a narrative that

972
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: will um undermine the president and destroy his legitimacy. And

973
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very unsettling thing when one politic

974
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: party is dedicated to uh imprisoning the the current president,

975
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: which is what they would like to see Trump in prison.

976
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: You know that they don't just disagree with this policy.

977
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: And people say, well, look at Hillary, lock her up,

978
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: lock her up. Well, one, she's not the president. To um,

979
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 1: she did stuff that was a close calling for James

980
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: Comey in terms of whether it was criminal or not.

981
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: So we all can see that it's um, it's it's

982
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: concerning my friend. But yeah, it's it's not treason. It's

983
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: just it's undermine. It's undermining the elected government. But it's

984
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: not treason because you're you're allowed to say that the

985
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: president should be impeached. You just can't say the president

986
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: should be overthrown by force. That's the difference. When it's

987
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: when it's a conspiracy and it's so concerted and so

988
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: well coordinated across line. That's my point. It is obviously

989
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: a massive effort and that's what is so concerning. Um

990
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: yep I I it's concerning. It is definitely concerning. Thanks

991
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: for coming, Thanks for calling in, David Arizona, appreciate it.

992
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: Matt in North Carolina, what's up, Matt, hey buck. I

993
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: have stopped using the term fake news. I used the

994
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: term glasses after Stephen Glass. Huh, that's a little bit vague.

995
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure everybody would get that one, but I

996
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: but I in. I appreciate your enthusiasm. Shattered Glass a

997
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: pretty good movie about well, he was a New Republic reporter.

998
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: I was in the New Republic and and he was

999
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: just making up stories. And he was totally fabricating stories,

1000
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: no evidential proof. Uh. Just he made a name for

1001
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 1: himself doing that. Yeah, and I think that's what our media,

1002
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: that's what our media is doing today. I hear you, Matt,

1003
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: North Carolina man, thank you for calling in. Matt getting

1004
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: creative with the terminology. They're a glassist. I'm not sure

1005
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna catch on map, but I like where your

1006
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: heads at in that movie Shattered Glass, which has gosh,

1007
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna I'm gonna messing mess it up. I

1008
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: think a guy plays like Young Skywalker in one of

1009
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: the want of Star Wars reboot movies or not reboots

1010
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: but one of the new Star Wars movies. Uh, fascinating

1011
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: thing that occurs. So here, here's the story aline there.

1012
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: And I do think this is worthwhile for us to

1013
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: just reminisce on for a second. So you had a

1014
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: reporter for I think that Stephen Glass. And he's a

1015
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: report for the New Republic, which is a left wing

1016
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: site and uh or a left wing magazine, very long

1017
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: standing left wing progressive magazine in this country. And wasn't

1018
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: it the New Republic? Am I am? I getting that

1019
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: one wrong. I don't want to get that wrong. Hold on,

1020
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: let me let me make sure. I hate when I

1021
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: have to um do the on the spot, but I can't.

1022
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: I can't get everything right on on the fly. Here. Yeah,

1023
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: a New Republic, like I thought, Stephen Glass. So this

1024
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: guy created sources to make his stories cool. He he

1025
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: fabricated whole events and it went on for a long

1026
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: time before he was caught. He was kind of a

1027
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: star reporter for a while over there. And you know,

1028
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: the New York Times had someone also who was fabricating

1029
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: stories and they fired him. Um, but Stephen Glass was

1030
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: fabricating stories the New Republic. And here's my contention in

1031
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: the pre internet era, pre smartphone, pre internet era. I

1032
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: mean if you go back, uh, certainly in the in

1033
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: the nineties. I mean I can't speak to other errors

1034
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: because I wasn't alive and and wasn't old enough to

1035
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: know what's going on. People were making up stuff all

1036
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: the time. I can't. I look, I can't prove it,

1037
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not That's why I'm not pointing out any

1038
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: particular paper or any individual, but there were I can

1039
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: assure you there was a a widespread practice and we'll

1040
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: never really get to the bottom of it, will never

1041
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: know of journalists. Um, you know, I'm sure the journalists

1042
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: talked to somebody, but that quote that was just so

1043
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: perfect us, you know, especially we're talking about anonymous sources

1044
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: or uh. Yeah. I think they were making stuff off

1045
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: a lot. I think it was much more common place

1046
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: than anybody wants to But how are you gonna check?

1047
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: How you gonna know? Yeah? Upton. I still I talked

1048
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: to Bob who saw the saw the car crash, and

1049
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Bob was like, oh gosh, that car crash is you know,

1050
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: it's like armageddon, you know, I mean, that's obviously a

1051
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: silly example, but you know what I'm saying, who knows

1052
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: who Bob is? You know this is the first name.

1053
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: How are you gonna check on that? And and who's

1054
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna take the time. Um. I don't think they were

1055
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: fabricating whole events that would be dangerous, But fabricating quotes,

1056
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: fabricating sources, how difficult do you think it would be?

1057
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: And now think about this even in the context of

1058
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: today with Trump and the reporting on him. And I'm

1059
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: not saying that there's the sources are made up with

1060
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: the Russia Trump classified thing that they're putting forward at

1061
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: the New York Times in Washington Post. But do you

1062
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: think it'd be hard to let let's say there's a

1063
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: journalist etherory among journalists right now in d C. That Trump,

1064
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, said some stuff he shouldn't have to

1065
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: the Russians. Um, who's gonna You're not gonna check anonymous sources?

1066
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: And if you do, then you start to run into

1067
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: some very very sticky First Amendment arguments. So um, I

1068
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: meaning if the government starts trying to check all that stuff,

1069
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: so you know, it's I just think it's easy. It's

1070
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: much easier than anybody wants to believe that it is. Uh.

1071
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think they cover for people too. People don't

1072
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: want to ask the question as long as the copy

1073
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: looks good, as long as the story gets traction and

1074
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: it speaks to the narrative that they want to tell

1075
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: what really matters to them. John and Mississippi, what's up, sir, Hey, book, Hey, book.

1076
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: You have had Andrew McCarthy on your show before, and

1077
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm what, I admire this guy. He's smart. Many times

1078
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: Andrew is very smart and a very good guy. Yes

1079
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: he is. And he wrote recently an article about the

1080
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: problem with a special prosecutor, which is another word for

1081
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: um um, the special counsel, and he's appointed by the

1082
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: president of the president appoints him, and that the special

1083
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: prosecutor or the council agrees that the president did nothing wrong. Well,

1084
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: then people will say, well, of course he's gonna say

1085
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: that he's appointed by the president. But what I wanted

1086
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: to tell you is he points out the collusion. There's

1087
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: not a crime. And to quote him, to quote him,

1088
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: pardon all that noise. It's not a federal crime or

1089
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: a foreign country to intrude in American elections and countries

1090
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: do this all the time. It's not illegal. And yeah,

1091
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: what are we gonna what are we gonna do? John?

1092
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: Arrest Russia? Yeah? Yeah. And as far as the media

1093
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: colluding together, that's not illegal either. They do it all

1094
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: the time. It's simply not illegal. Yeah, and that's what

1095
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: they're doing, they're colding. I also, I don't want to

1096
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: make arguments and debates and I don't like to make

1097
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: words illegal except in the most extreme and blatant and

1098
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: clear circumstances. Right. So the moment that people start talking

1099
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: about how, oh well, we're gonna find evidence of illusion,

1100
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: evidence of collusion. I've been talking with this on my

1101
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: show John. What would that even look like if Trump

1102
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 1: sat down and or let's say Trump himself sat down

1103
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: with a Russian intelligence officer, whether he knew he was

1104
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: a Russian intelligence officer or not. And this is just

1105
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: a theoretical example, right, I'm just making this up. But

1106
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: he sat down with the Russian guys like, yeah, we're

1107
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: gonna do some stuff to help you in the campaign.

1108
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: And Trump said, Okay, that's not illegal. Because Trump could

1109
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: say no, don't Trump could say no, don't do that,

1110
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything. They're gonna do it anyway, So

1111
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, they maybe what they're hoping they can get

1112
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: out is is some evidence that will be politically damaging

1113
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: because from from a criminal aspect of it, I don't

1114
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: see how there'll be you know, unless Trump was was

1115
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: hanging out in Moscow doing a little hacking of Fidessa's

1116
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: account himself. I'm sorry, but there's no there's just not

1117
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a crime here, and I'm pretty sure Trump

1118
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: wasn't doing that. So John, I'm with you, man. We're

1119
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: gonna get to and he's been up to some other

1120
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: stuff recently. He's been busy. We'll get Andy McCarthy back

1121
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: on the show soon though. He's he's he's a Freedom

1122
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: Hut favorite. Yeah, he's very good. We'll get we'll get

1123
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: him back soon. Shieldside, John, thank you very much for

1124
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: calling in. UH team. We are going to hit a

1125
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll talk a bit about the press conference today,

1126
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: and then we'll get a little bit of a libertarian

1127
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: perspective on what's going on in the world right now

1128
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: from one of my friends at Reason dot com and

1129
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: UH then a bunch of other stuff including we'll talk

1130
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: about books and Mother's Day and third hours, always a

1131
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: little bit of smore export. It's a fun word to say,

1132
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Associated Press headline on Twitter here.

1133
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,879
Speaker 1: White House National Security advisor denies Trump revealed classified info.

1134
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: And uh, we also have a number of you weighing

1135
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: in in real time on Facebook. If you ever want

1136
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: to do this, just go to facebook dot com slash

1137
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: buck sex and we posted the story there. And uh,

1138
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: you have um people writing what a joke, They're desperate

1139
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: for a Watergate story, sorry losers, Russian nonsense, fake news.

1140
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: Another person writes fake news. Another person writes, wappo is

1141
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: not a credible news source, not anymore, and then another

1142
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: one fake news, And then um, you've got I should

1143
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: have I should have said first names with all those.

1144
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: Sorry I've been. Next time I will. This story is

1145
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: false anyway, people are people are not buying it. They're

1146
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: not buying the story. So it looks like, um, it

1147
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: looks like I may in fact, the on CNN tomorrow

1148
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: morning around nine eastern talking about this. That's the that's

1149
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: the word on the street right now. Um, but let's

1150
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: move for a second to uh Spicer and the nonsense

1151
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: about a special bro First of all, Spicer press conference today,

1152
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about it a bit. Um, there's all this

1153
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: reporting on the possible shake up in the White House.

1154
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna get rid of uh, you know, they're going

1155
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: to move out Spicer and Bannon and previous. I don't know.

1156
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't have the kind of access in this White House.

1157
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody has the access into this

1158
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: White House to know if that will happen or not.

1159
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: Because you're talking about so such a small circle and

1160
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: the power center, and that Trump and maybe Ivanka and

1161
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: Jared Um they may change their minds on any give

1162
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: an issue in any given time, So who knows if

1163
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: your information will be correct or not by the time

1164
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: you print it. But on the notion, well, two things

1165
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: addressed today that we're important in the press conference. Just

1166
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 1: want to hit on Um. First, you had Spicer saying

1167
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: that fb a former FBI director James Comby, was not

1168
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: up to the job. I think that there was clearly

1169
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: bipartisan support that Jim Comey wasn'ut to the job. The

1170
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: president has every right to fire a person because he

1171
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: believed Director Comby left judgment and the decision making skills

1172
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: and wasn't up to the job. Yeah, I wish they

1173
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: had just said that initially. Look, I'm not gonna play

1174
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: around here. The way they did it, not the choice

1175
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: to do it or even the timing of it, but

1176
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: the explanations around the firing. It was just a self

1177
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: inflicted wound. They didn't they didn't have to do do

1178
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: it that way. They could have been savvier about it. Um.

1179
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's there's that the White House communication shop

1180
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: could use some fine tuning. That's at a minimum, okay, Um.

1181
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: But the Commy thing, I I haven't talked to you

1182
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: about it today really because I think it's it is

1183
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: time to move on. Those who are obsessed with the

1184
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: Trump Rushia investigation aren't going to stop, and Comy being

1185
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: fired doesn't stop that investigation. So what's what's really the point?

1186
01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: The hopeful the possible replacements for if the Eye director

1187
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: that I've seen so far are good choices. Um Ray Kelly,

1188
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: whom I worked for at one point at the NYPD

1189
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: in Tealence Division. UM, I think he'd be a strong choice.

1190
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland as a an olive branch to the Democrats,

1191
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, Um, you know, I don't

1192
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: really think that the problem with with extending yourself the

1193
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: Democrats is that you never get anything for it. Right,

1194
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: unless it's in their interest to go along with you.

1195
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,440
Speaker 1: If you're just looking for fair play or or considerate

1196
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: behavior to be rewarded, you're gonna be waiting a long time.

1197
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's that, um m m. It's we'll have

1198
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: to see who the there. I know there's a lot

1199
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: of different people that are up for the possible FBI

1200
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: director role. Um, so we'll see the trust see who

1201
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: else is on this list. You've got a bunch of judges. Uh,

1202
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: Francis Townsend, top national security advisor. Mr Bush who held

1203
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: senior Just Department Uh positions. Oh, friend Townsend. Okay, interesting,

1204
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: some interesting choices on here. But they're gonna get a

1205
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: new FBI director. Bottom line, it's not the call me

1206
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: thing is gonna go. And you know, call me, you'll

1207
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: get a very big book advance and you know who cares. Um,

1208
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: let's get to uh, the need for a special prosecutor. Though,

1209
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: Spice addressed that I think this is a process that's

1210
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: running completely as it should, as being headed by the

1211
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General and the Attorney General. As you we've

1212
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: noted in the past, the FBI director reports to the

1213
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General. They continue to move through a series

1214
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 1: of highly qualified candidates. UH. And it's you know, obviously

1215
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: this is a huge priority for the president to make

1216
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: sure that we have someone that has the ability to

1217
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: administer the proper leadership to the FBI, like scal prosecutor.

1218
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: I think that there there's frankly no need for a

1219
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: special prosecutor. Who've discussed this before. You have two Senate

1220
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: committees UH that are looking into this. The FBI is

1221
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: conducting their own review, and it's been made very clear

1222
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: that there's been uh with respect to the president himself.

1223
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: Both Senator Schumer, Senator Fine Science, Centator Mansion, everyone else

1224
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: who have been briefed on this have been very clear

1225
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: that there was no collusion with the with respects of

1226
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: the president's self and no investigation. There no special prosecutor.

1227
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: Don't do it, Republicans. Doesn't matter what the Democrats cry

1228
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: about on this one, but do not do it. UH.

1229
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: This is the this is the dream come true for

1230
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: Democrats because special prosecutors want to justify what they're doing.

1231
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna go after someone. They did this to the

1232
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,719
Speaker 1: Bush administration. They will ruin the lives of innocent people

1233
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: who just get caught up in the machinery of the investigation.

1234
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: Do not do it, no special prosecutor. Our three coming up,

1235
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: bug sextendent with America. Now we are the Freedom Hut

1236
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: is fired up as Team Buck assembles shoulder to shoulder

1237
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: shields high call in eight four four Buck, that's eight

1238
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: four four to eight to five. Welcome back, team. There

1239
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: is something I want to talk to you about a

1240
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. I am a fan of old school books. UM,

1241
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: somebody who thinks that while e readers are fantastic for

1242
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: the sake of convenience, and it's great to be able

1243
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: to highlight and bookmark your page and do all the

1244
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: fun things you can do without marring the pages of

1245
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: an actual book. I went from being an e reader

1246
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: guy to going back and becoming more of a traditional

1247
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: book guy. I mean, I have both. I have an

1248
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: e reader by my bedside table, but I have hard

1249
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: copy books in uh in abundance, well, at least for

1250
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: a small, very cozy, tiny Manhattan department, which is where

1251
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: I I live. I have books strewn about the floor.

1252
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: I've got a bookshelf that takes up much more of

1253
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: my apartment than it should. And I've had people ask

1254
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: me that have come to visit, including family members, even like, well,

1255
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: you got a lot of books, why not just go

1256
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: the e reader oute? And I say, I think that

1257
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: there's something special about an actual physical book. I'm I

1258
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: haven't yet given up on the idea that we should

1259
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: be buying these bound pages with cardboard and designs on them.

1260
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: And I've seen a few stories in recent well a

1261
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: story from yesterday that I want to talk to you about,

1262
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: and then also just a one that i've I've seen

1263
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: in the past. The first is in The Guardian. The

1264
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: title is how real books have trumps e books and

1265
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: how the digital revolution was expected to kill traditional publishing

1266
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:56,480
Speaker 1: but print books are ever more beautifully designed and lovingly cherished.

1267
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: So there's been a shift now in order to its

1268
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: very interesting, in order to compete with what was expected

1269
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: to be the e book revolution. Uh, there was a

1270
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: period of time some years ago when the books first

1271
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: came out that they started making these really cheap copies

1272
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: of books, and that book printing what they're trying to

1273
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: cut back on the cost because it actually does cost

1274
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: some some real money when you do a large printing

1275
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: of a of a hardcover book, and the the design

1276
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: and also the the page texture and quality actual physical pages.

1277
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: So they started making all these cheap uh reprints where

1278
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: they would just do it. It's like a glorified bound

1279
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: cop xerox copies, right. And the idea was, well, paper

1280
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: super cheap, will give you super cheap paper versions, and

1281
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: that will be the way we compete with the e reader. Um,

1282
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: but it hasn't worked out that way because people like

1283
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: to hold and feel and have and and be in

1284
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: the presence of a physical book. And I think, especially

1285
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: as we begin to look more critically at how social

1286
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 1: media and devices really devices, but also social media's how

1287
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: most of us waste time on those devices are taking

1288
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: over every minute of our lives. And there's such a

1289
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: focus on you know, you have to have either a

1290
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: laptop or computer in front of you, a some kind

1291
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: of a smartphone on your personal all times, and maybe

1292
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: a tablet just in case you need something that's midway

1293
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: between the two. And now they're smartphones that are the

1294
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: size of tablets, and there are tablets that can double

1295
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: the smartphones, and you know, they're just devices all over.

1296
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: And look, I know that devices are incredibly I'm on

1297
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: mine all the time, although I do make a point now,

1298
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: uh and when I'm with Molly, my girlfriend, I make

1299
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: a point to put the device away and be present.

1300
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: I've told that, told that to you before for the

1301
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: purposes of dinner. And when I've seen young couples that

1302
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: would be having fallen out on a date, or or

1303
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: no much older couples, it's it's all ages. Put the

1304
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,480
Speaker 1: device away. But with devices everywhere, I think the assumption

1305
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: has been that everyone will start reading off of a screen.

1306
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: But there's I don't know what it is that there's

1307
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: a maybe it's a romantic view I have of this,

1308
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: but there's something about reading an actual physical book and

1309
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: having it in your hands, and also the sense of

1310
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: keeping it with you, you know, whether you put it

1311
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: on your coffee table, up on a bookshelf, or you

1312
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: do what I do and you just stack them around

1313
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: your desk. Uh. The physical presence of books is something

1314
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: that I think is um making. It is making a

1315
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: comeback in the minds of people as something that they

1316
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: should have. In this guarding piece, it says that after

1317
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: reaching a peak in sales of e readers and e

1318
01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: books have slowed and hardback sales have surged. The lay

1319
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: dis figures from Publishing Association show the book sales falling

1320
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: sixteen with an eight percent rise in their physical counterparts.

1321
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: People are going back to old school books. Um. And

1322
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: this is another part of this that I think is essential.

1323
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: M I remember the Jesuits. I went to a Jesuit

1324
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: high school and the headmaster of the school, which I

1325
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: don't know if if this is something that we're they

1326
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: probably have changed it now. It's probably the president of

1327
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: the principle. We used to call it the headmaster, and

1328
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: the headmasterard of school said that one thing that was

1329
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: very important was too that everyone should be reading all

1330
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: the time. The students should always be reading, and that

1331
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: they should know that that that should just be a

1332
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: part of their daily routine in their lives, whether for work,

1333
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: whether for schoolwork or otherwise. But also that having dinner

1334
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: together as a family, he found was a very important

1335
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a very important part of a

1336
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: successful high school career. That eating tagether when possible as

1337
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: a family, um, and not having not having TV on

1338
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: or having the tablets out and everything else, that that

1339
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: was something everybody should at least aspire for. Now. People

1340
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: travel for work and they've got responsibilities, but when you

1341
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: have the chance eat together as a family with no distractions.

1342
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: One one of the things I would add on to

1343
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: that is the presence of physical books in a home.

1344
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: The social science on this, the studies that have been

1345
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: done are fascinating. Just having books in a home when

1346
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: you account for other factors, socio economic factors as well. Uh,

1347
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:40,520
Speaker 1: just having books around in the home seems to have benefits.

1348
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: It seems to encourage a certain approach. I mean, you've

1349
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: got for example, even uh, there's a there's a thread

1350
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: here on Reddit, but also on Salon dot com, which

1351
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: is a left wing site book owners have smarter kids,

1352
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: which is a pretty gruff way to say it. Um,

1353
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: but what is this? There's also a magazine here about

1354
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: um oh, the Pacific Standard magazine. Books in the home

1355
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: are strongly linked to academic achievement, and test scores from

1356
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: forty two nations provide evidence of the benefits of having

1357
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: a home library, having books in the home, actual physical books, right,

1358
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: not Oh, I've got them all downloaded on my computer.

1359
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: Nobody can see them. But being in the presence of

1360
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: physical books is linked to higher academic achievement, It is

1361
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: linked to better test scores. Has all of these benefits

1362
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: and people struggle to come up with a direct explanation

1363
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: for why this is, because it shouldn't be just you

1364
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: don't learn through osmosis, right, It's not like the book

1365
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: is near you and the knowledge just seeps through and

1366
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: enters your brain. But I think that if you're in

1367
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: a home and there are books around you, um, you

1368
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: get into more of a habit of books in your life,

1369
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: and if you have read one, you're more likely to

1370
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: pick it up again if you see it, but you're

1371
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: also reminded of it. Right, So, once you've completed a

1372
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: book and you put it up on your shelf, where

1373
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: you put it on your you put it on your

1374
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: bedside table, or even if you just use it to

1375
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: prop up your dining room table, whatever it may be,

1376
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: and you see it, I think it triggers parts of

1377
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 1: the brain that and this is just my own theory

1378
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: so that this is not based in any hashtag science,

1379
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: but it triggers parts of the brain that would remind

1380
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: you of what you learned in it, what you thought

1381
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: about with it. I think that they at the physical

1382
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: presence of the max as a um a constant uh

1383
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: short form uh quiz of you know, oh yeah, I

1384
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: remember I read that book, and whether you think about

1385
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: it consciously or subconsciously, I just I just believe that

1386
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: it gets your mind going again the way that it

1387
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: did when you're reading it. So interesting that now people

1388
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: are returning to hardcover books and moving away from from

1389
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: the e readers a little bit. The readers are great too.

1390
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: They both have a play case, but a a series

1391
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: of pages bound together with a fancy designed cover meant

1392
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: to convey something about the book. By law, you shouldn't

1393
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: judge books by its cover, but you should pay attention

1394
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 1: to the cover because, um, that also has all kinds

1395
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: It sends all kinds of signals to the reader about

1396
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: what to expect. And I think also for our discussion

1397
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 1: here about just having the physical presence of books around you,

1398
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 1: it the cover triggers some of those memories and the

1399
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: knowledge and the processes going on inside your brain as

1400
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you're reading it. So that's um anyway. And they're kind

1401
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: of like intellectual trophies. You know, you have them around

1402
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: the house and you remember, I read that, and you know,

1403
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: there's a little pride you can take two, especially when

1404
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: you tackle a big one. If you read the you know,

1405
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: if you read uh, you know, war and peace, or

1406
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: if you if you take on the Power Broker by Caro,

1407
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: that's a big one. That's a bear of a book.

1408
01:24:55,200 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: That's a big one. Um. Anyway, I mean, they're just

1409
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: trotting out the whole cast of national security experts over

1410
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: at CNN right now, Uh, some of them, and I

1411
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: know pretty well. Uh, they're just they're just rolling everybody

1412
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: out right now to just just just let's I got

1413
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: an idea, everybody, let's wildly speculate on how much terrible

1414
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,440
Speaker 1: national security damage Donald Trump did based on a report

1415
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: that is completely contested, contested not just by the administration

1416
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: in general, but by National Security Advisor McMaster specifically. And

1417
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: let's let's just extrapolate and come out with all kinds

1418
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: of wild theories about how Trump is endangering our relationships

1419
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: with allied intelligence services, Trump is endangering platforms. I mean,

1420
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not kidding, guys. I was in the

1421
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: break just now looking at it and and a standard

1422
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: question right now on CNN and go something in the

1423
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: lines of, I mean, how just strung excuse me, sir,

1424
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: how how just insructive could Trump's theoretical disclosure of classified

1425
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: information be well, you know, theoretically Trump could have given

1426
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: away the nuclear codes while he was eating his cheerios, right,

1427
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: but one it didn't happen, And to what is what

1428
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: is this theoretically nonsense? We're just gonna make it up

1429
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: as we go along. We're just gonna say, well, how

1430
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: how how damaging could it really have been? How terrifying

1431
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: could this really be for us? Um? Well, we we

1432
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: don't know, because it might not be damaging at all

1433
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: because nothing uh may have happened. Let's not forget. There

1434
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: are a couple of ways you can analyze this. First

1435
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: of all, they I'm going on imperfect information. I wasn't

1436
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: in the room, I haven't spoken anybody in the room,

1437
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: and neither have any of these other clowns that I'm

1438
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: sitting on TV. But the point here being, so we

1439
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: have imperfect information. If we're gonna be real analysts of

1440
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: imperfect information. As I said before, motor vation is very important.

1441
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: Why would Trump tell the Russians something that would be

1442
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: damaging the U s National security in a setting where

1443
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: there were others around him, So it's not like this

1444
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: was he thought he was doing this in secret and

1445
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: got caught. Why would the President United States do that

1446
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have a good reason. Okay, So so the only

1447
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: motivation would be recklessness or carelessness. And we're gonna have

1448
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: to take the word of anonymous sources reporting to the

1449
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: Washington Post to believe that that is in fact what happened.

1450
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: But here's another layer of analysis that I would apply

1451
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: to this whole story right now, which you can already

1452
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: see by the way, on social media has just erupted

1453
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: into accusations of fake news and and and calls for

1454
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 1: calls for impeachment on one side, accusations of fake news

1455
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: on the other. This is what our discourse is devolving into. Unfortunately,

1456
01:27:54,120 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: Um just the impeachment cries. Uh, you know that's it's

1457
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: never gonna get old. I guess for something. Uh. But

1458
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: here's another level that I think we should keep in mind. So,

1459
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 1: last week Trump was destroying democracy and under my um,

1460
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: so this is the narrative, right, this is not me speaking,

1461
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: I'm identifying what is being said by the media by

1462
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the Democrats. Last week. He's firing Comy, he's undermining democracy,

1463
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: he's destroying the country. He's doing terrible things by firing Comey.

1464
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: Now we have this story that Trump is releasing or

1465
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: or is giving all this deeply damaging information to the

1466
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: Russians in this meeting. Um what is the information? Of

1467
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: course we don't know. Um, we're gonna do now. Now

1468
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: it comes down to do you believe I know that

1469
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: McMaster works for Trump? Right, that's okay, fine, But the

1470
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: guys has a long standing career in public service and

1471
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 1: and in the military, and you're gonna tell me that

1472
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: he's just gonna go out there. He's gonna be the guy,

1473
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: the fall guy for this one. I don't think Trump

1474
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 1: has that kind of sway breaking news they're saying on

1475
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: the internet Washington Post shared highly classified info with the Russians. Um, okay,

1476
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: did he? Did he not? I just think though it's

1477
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: this is the layer of analysis I wanted to add

1478
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: on to this. So motivation we've already dealt with. There's

1479
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: no reason for Trump to do this. They'll say that

1480
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: he was being careless or or really I think what

1481
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: they'll claim is that Trump is too stupid to know

1482
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: what classified in is and is not, which I should

1483
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: note is the defense they actually did employ successfully for

1484
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton to avoid prosecution, not knowing that over a

1485
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 1: hundred instances of classified email were transversing her um private server,

1486
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: an unsecured private server in in gross violation of any

1487
01:29:55,400 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: number of federal statutes and State Department protocols. Okay, Um,

1488
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: so the Hillary was was too dumb to know what

1489
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: was classified. They use that defense before. But they're gonna

1490
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: say to Trump to condemn him that he's too dumb

1491
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: to know that what he was saying was um was classified.

1492
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: That's what that's gonna be part of it. Okay, So

1493
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 1: they're gonna go with a reckless a recklessness. I mean, wow,

1494
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: seen in the cast of I've never seen this. There's

1495
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: like just more and more people popping up on the

1496
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: screen from all over the place. They're all going to

1497
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: weigh in on a meeting they didn't attend, that is

1498
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: has contested reports about it, and yeah, that's where we are.

1499
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: Contest reports meaning it didn't attend, and they're going to

1500
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: extrapolate the most damaging possible conclusions from this. Now my

1501
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 1: layer of analysis that you won't get from the media.

1502
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: It seems pretty convenient, doesn't it. Last week there was comy,

1503
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: you know, this week there's the disclosure to the Russians. Um, right, right,

1504
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: when they want a story that's going to define the

1505
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: new cycle for the week. That's very and it's damaging

1506
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: to the administration, into people's perceptions of administration. It just

1507
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: it just appears like clockwork, like magic, almost like the

1508
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: sort of thing that would be manufactured for effect. Here

1509
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: we have Trump once again under siege in the new cycle,

1510
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: and I am amazed to see the ease with which

1511
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 1: people will go on TV and just uh say all

1512
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: these things without there and they're theorizing, right, like I said,

1513
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 1: they're extrapolating, They're they're drawing uh conclusions several orders of

1514
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: evidence away from what the evidence actually says, right or

1515
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: severn several steps away from what the evidence actually says

1516
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: so far, or what the reporting indicates so far. So

1517
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: the question is not did Trump You'll notice it, it's

1518
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: not did Trump share information or not? The media doesn't

1519
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: want to handle that because they can't get an answer

1520
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: to that. They're just gonna go with the Washington Post report.

1521
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: But now you are uh, given a steady stream of

1522
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario analysis of how terrible Trump is.

1523
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: You will notice that if tomorrow the story this is

1524
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 1: a perfect This is a classic example of why people

1525
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 1: don't trust the media. Actually saw a poll before that,

1526
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: eleven of respondence to a national poll trust the national

1527
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:35,759
Speaker 1: news media to be unbiased in their reporting. Um, tomorrow,

1528
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: if the story is that, Okay, maybe we got ahead

1529
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: of ourselves here. It wasn't really that classified. There are

1530
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: other people in the room, and it's clearly not illegal

1531
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: because the president can declassify whatever he wants, so you

1532
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: can just say that this is Um. You know, I

1533
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,520
Speaker 1: said what I said, and that's what I wanted to say. Okay,

1534
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: so it's clearly not illegal. Um. But if the story

1535
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: tomorrow is a walk back of all of this today,

1536
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: it won't matter because across on screens, well at least

1537
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: if you're watching right now Fox. I think I saw

1538
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,919
Speaker 1: Tucker Show in the break has on like some leftist

1539
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: or something, and they're arguing over culture war stuff. I

1540
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: think I didn't watch a segond, but I just saw

1541
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: the saw the screen with the banner up. Um. But

1542
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: now why watching this whole thing play out? Um? Okay,

1543
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: so everyone gets to just take their worst case scenario

1544
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: analysis and put it out there on TV to terrify

1545
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: everybody about how bad Trump is and he's done this awful,

1546
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: terrible thing. And yeah, maybe he's done nothing. But that

1547
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: won't matter tomorrow because the damage will have been done, right,

1548
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 1: the reputational damage the administration will have been done. People

1549
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: don't care about the correction. They just care about the

1550
01:33:53,320 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: initial damning accusation. And that's on screens across the country

1551
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,799
Speaker 1: all night now you will see just Trump is reckless,

1552
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: gave the Russians class, of course, gave the Russians classified.

1553
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is hitting on all the

1554
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: all the special buttons of the of the deranged left here,

1555
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 1: and they're loving it. Um Anyway, I'm gonna move on

1556
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: to some other topics here because there's nothing. This might

1557
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: be a complete nothing burger of a story. This really

1558
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: could just be entirely fake news. If it's not fake news,

1559
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's very exaggerated news. But they see

1560
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: an opening, they see an opportunity to harm this White House,

1561
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: and they are going all in, just like they always do.

1562
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out

1563
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: with Team Buck anytime. Plus get plucks the latest news

1564
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: and analysis. Go to buck Sexton dot com. That's buck

1565
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Sexton dot com. The Buck is back, right everybody, welcome back.

1566
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 1: We are joined by our friend Matt Welch. He is

1567
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 1: editor at large of Reason magazine. You can check out

1568
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: his latest online at Reason dot com. He's co author

1569
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: of the book The Declaration of Independence, How Libertarian Politics

1570
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: can Fix What's wrong with America. Great to have you,

1571
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: Mr Welch, Thank you very much. Nice to be back.

1572
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 1: So tell me a bit if you would, please, sir,

1573
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: about this government is not the government is the cause

1574
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of not the solution to the latest hacking outbreak. You

1575
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: wrote this on Reason dot com. This hacking is all

1576
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: of the world. People are freaking out what a government

1577
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: do here? Well, that wasn't my piece. That was a

1578
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: piece by my colleague Scott Shackford. But as far as

1579
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: we can tell, this originated with US loops. Uh. This uh,

1580
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:50,919
Speaker 1: this huge uh malware ransomware that the spilled out everywhere

1581
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: was originated in the US government here and it's spilled

1582
01:35:54,200 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: out of our our our laboratories and into the world

1583
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: at large. And it was only fixed by some twenty

1584
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: two year old kid living in his mom's basement who

1585
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: bought a software program for ten dollars and sixty nine cents. Uh.

1586
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's a sign that we have

1587
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: a difficult time where you know, you know better than

1588
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 1: most people do that it is a art, not a

1589
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: science to be involved with counterintelligence and technology and all

1590
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: these types of things. UM. But occasionally some things get

1591
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: out of our own grasp and we are able to

1592
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: wreak a little bit of havoc on the world. And

1593
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: that's what happened in this ransomware case. Uh here And

1594
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: what do you think should be done to try and

1595
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: help handle this situation? Well, I mean, I'm kind of

1596
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: a radical uh person in by nature, UM, I tend

1597
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: to believe that resilience and openness is a better solution

1598
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 1: than kind of giving the federal government monopoly on on

1599
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: anything necessarily or most things. UM. For instance, you know,

1600
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: since the first Clinton administration, the first the only thank

1601
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: god Clinton administration uh we've had, the federal government has

1602
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: been interested in like having some kind of golden key

1603
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: to go into all technology, all computers, all everything's um

1604
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:21,520
Speaker 1: without the means taking them a long time to slowly

1605
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: learn that if any institution, let alone a pristinely run

1606
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: institution like the US federal government, UM, has the one

1607
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: key that goes into one door, then you know the

1608
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: red Chinese are going to get a copy of that key.

1609
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: You know people are going to find it. That becomes

1610
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: a vulnerability. So what you want to do is we

1611
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: have a very robust private sector that's producing all kinds

1612
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: of things out there, have some trust in that you want.

1613
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 1: You want to have people to have access, to be

1614
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 1: able to crack up in their own phones, protect their

1615
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: own selves, and not just have a single point either

1616
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: of creation of good things or bad things, or to

1617
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: have any kind of choke points on the development of

1618
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: technologies in this country. And it's not satisfying because it's

1619
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: not sexy. It isn't I pressed this button and solved

1620
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 1: this problem. But in fact that's kind of how markets

1621
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: and technology work. There's a reason why we developed the

1622
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: best technology in the world and North Korea doesn't, or

1623
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, the East Germany didn't back in the day.

1624
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: They can focus on a few things, maybe get those

1625
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 1: few things not completely terrible, but generally speaking, open systems

1626
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: are far more resilient and innovative than closed systems, and

1627
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: so that general approach should be taken. I think speaking

1628
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: of Matt Well, she's at a large of Reason magazine

1629
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: and his latest can be seen on Reason dot com.

1630
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: Uh Matt's Jeff Sessions new guidance on criminal prosecutions. I

1631
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: said on the show last week, this is I just

1632
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: I just can't roll with the Trump administration on this.

1633
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just not down with this. And I'm figuring

1634
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 1: because you're libertarian, it's a safe bet you're not down

1635
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: with this either. This uh was always the uh strong

1636
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 1: gift reason to oppose Jeff Session as appointment to Attorney

1637
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 1: General United States, in addition to the fact that he

1638
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: was just so close politically to Trump. He's a really

1639
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,879
Speaker 1: key member of you know, one of the first senators

1640
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: and prominent politicians in Washington to get behind Trump. So

1641
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: there's some loyalty there. And granted, every attorney general is

1642
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,800
Speaker 1: ultimately a lackey of the president. Eric Holder certainly wasn't

1643
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a really discussing a degree um and that's that is

1644
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:31,520
Speaker 1: a tradition. However, if you had any sense of potential

1645
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: disquiet about Donald Trump, and I probably have a little

1646
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: bit more than maybe the average listener here. But even

1647
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: if you think that he's good, and you acknowledge that

1648
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 1: he's he's a little bit different. He has a different

1649
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of experience, and so you want to have a

1650
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: little bit of kind of prophylactic protection here, but so

1651
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: like having a political ally strong political allies is kind

1652
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: of a problematic However, the biggest thing was this that

1653
01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions has an attitude about the drug war and

1654
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 1: also about law enforcement in general that would fit a

1655
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 1: lot more into the America of nineteen eighty two or

1656
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: three than it does in the American now. He's been

1657
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: on the opposite end of all the kind of criminal

1658
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 1: justice reform that has been done. And I'm not talking

1659
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: here necessarily about Black Lives Matter. I'm talking here about

1660
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,719
Speaker 1: rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ted Cruz until the later state

1661
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 1: stages of the presidential campaign, when he opportunistically flipped on

1662
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 1: these issues, but going against such provably failed ideas as

1663
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: mandatory minimum sentencing, three strikes types of laws, and these

1664
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 1: types of things. Whenever Congress has been in the Senate

1665
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: has been going after these things. The biggest opponent on

1666
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: the other side was Jeff Sessions. And I am chagrinned

1667
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 1: genuinely by the fact that every single Republican in particular

1668
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: voted to affirm Jeff Sessions, including many Republicans who have

1669
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: been bitterly opposed to him. On these fights, Rand Paul,

1670
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Mike Lee, m among them, Jeff Lake, and they did

1671
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: it out of a sense of collegiality, but also because

1672
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 1: they're scared to cross Donald Trump. I mean, Ram Paul

1673
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: opposed Lauretta Lynch and rightly so. On civil asset forfeiture grounds.

1674
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions has the same beliefs. He thinks that if

1675
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: the government decides to seize your property, even if you

1676
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: did not commit a crime, they're not even charging you

1677
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:21,679
Speaker 1: with a crime. They just think you're a drug dealer.

1678
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: He has said, and I'm not even making this up

1679
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: that well, that people are guilty anyways, even though none

1680
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: of them are being all into court. So he has

1681
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 1: these really atavistic ideas about it. And his move on

1682
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Friday too, I mean he rolled back the clock to

1683
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: let's not get too ahead of ourselves here. The Obama

1684
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: administration only then UM got anywhere near up points you know,

1685
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: of sanity when it came to UM guidance discretionary guidance

1686
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 1: on sentencing reform UM. And before that, Obama had been

1687
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: much worse than George W. Bush on doing things like

1688
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: rating medical marijuana dispensaries in California. He rated way more

1689
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: than Bush ever did in his first term. However, Sessions

1690
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 1: is awful on this. Republicans should have us, at least

1691
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: some of them should have opposed him. They didn't. Uh,

1692
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: And now you know, there's a lot of crocodile tears

1693
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: and the likes of Rand Paul saying this is terrible,

1694
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: and he's right that it is terrible. But he didn't

1695
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: do his job back then. And I've told him that

1696
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: in person. Then I'll tell him that again. Yeah. But

1697
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: was it was it so clear that Sessions was going

1698
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: to take this approach based on how he had been

1699
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: in the past. I mean, maybe that's maybe I'm asking

1700
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: an obvious question, but my sense of absolutely clear, absolutely clear.

1701
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: There was no question about this. This is a very

1702
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: just like his positions on immigration are crystal clear. They're

1703
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,480
Speaker 1: there are a fundamental part of how he has comported

1704
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 1: himself and governed himself. Here's he's a guy who during

1705
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: last fall, I mean as recently as last fall, praised

1706
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He said to his own uh people or constituents, Hey, look, Donald,

1707
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: we know Donald Trump is going to be tough on

1708
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: crime because of this letter that he sent. And he

1709
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: pointed to a letter that Donald Trump since the nineteen

1710
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: nine I believe Eve like to the New York Daily

1711
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: News of the post advocating the death penalty for the

1712
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 1: Central Park five. Now, what we know about the Central

1713
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 1: Park five is that they were wrongly convicted. We know

1714
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: that now. Even if there are scumbags, and I don't

1715
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: know if they are, but it's possible. But on the

1716
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: crime that Jeff's Sessions was happy that Donald Trump was

1717
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: advocating the death penalty, four, they were innocent of that crime. Um.

1718
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: And so these are the types of attitude that an

1719
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: attorney general. They were guilty of assault, but not guilty

1720
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 1: of a rape, but that's a whole other They all

1721
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: admitted to be they're admitted being present for the assault,

1722
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and actually, if they're holding somebody down while she's being raped,

1723
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: they're also guilty for the rape. But we don't have

1724
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: time to get too deep into the Central Park five

1725
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: right now, that's the death penalty for them. Seems to

1726
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: be a strong position from the criminal justice perspective. Yes,

1727
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: uh and and so this this is fundamental to where

1728
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: who Jeff Sessions always was. It was brought up not

1729
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: nearly enough in the confirmation hearings by Democrats mean the

1730
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:55,720
Speaker 1: Democrats Diane Feinstein. Her first question of Jeff Sessions at

1731
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 1: this thing was not about the drug war, was not

1732
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: about of last set forwards, not about these big important

1733
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: things that are in play right now. Nope, it was

1734
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: about a bunch of nonsense that she was making up

1735
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 1: about sex trafficking. She's like, do you know this is

1736
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: the second largest, you know, illegal activity in the entire country,

1737
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: which is absolute garbage nonsense. Um uh, in hysteria. This

1738
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: is the Democrats decided to prioritize against Betsy de Voss,

1739
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,799
Speaker 1: who doesn't matter. And I say that someone who's suzy.

1740
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm perfectly fond of Betsy Divos. I'm

1741
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: glad that she's the Education secretary. But if I am

1742
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 1: like being oppositional to Donald Trump, who is the person

1743
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: who has a whip hand, whose position matters, and who

1744
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: has the ability, based on his own discretion about how

1745
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: to deploy resources, his ability to really tangibly affect people's lives,

1746
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: it ain't Betsy Divos, It's Jeff Sessions. And all he

1747
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 1: brought with him is like, oh, we think that he

1748
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: might have been a racist in vent six or you

1749
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: know this this thing that he said at the hearing

1750
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: in two can be misconstrued in a way that we

1751
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: can play it up to our base. I'm sorry. No,

1752
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: they did a terrible job of giving the Rampaul's the

1753
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: world any cover at all, any kind of olive branch

1754
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: at all to go and oppose the guy. And then

1755
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: Rampaul didn't step up either. So no, he's this is

1756
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 1: not surprising at all what he has done. And this

1757
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,840
Speaker 1: is who we're going to have as the Attorney General

1758
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,839
Speaker 1: for the next four to eight years. Matt Welch everybody

1759
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: utter at large of Reason magazine and also author of

1760
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. Check out his latest at Reason

1761
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 1: dot com. Matt, thank you so much for joining. Thank

1762
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:36,959
Speaker 1: you very much. We had a great Mother's Day yesterday.

1763
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: My friends really enjoyed ourselves. In the Sexton family, we

1764
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 1: all went and and paid mom a visit, uh and

1765
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 1: brought her flowers of course, because you know, we all

1766
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: know we think we have the best mom in the world,

1767
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: so as I'm sure you do as well. But my

1768
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: mom really is phenomenal and uh and it's just fantastic

1769
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: and is the rock upon which my entire family has

1770
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: been built. Um, and you know, I'm not yet married,

1771
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: so there was no I didn't have like my own

1772
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: kids that were celebrating their mom my wife. I'm I'm

1773
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: working on a team. Give me some time. But in

1774
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: the meantime, as I spent time with my mom and

1775
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: I have three siblings, so we all went up and

1776
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: we had dinner, and uh, you know, I'm not one

1777
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:28,719
Speaker 1: usually for the the holidays that kind of just people

1778
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,480
Speaker 1: like you know that that that seem a little commercialized

1779
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, it's you know, Valentine's Day for example.

1780
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's just force everybody to try to make

1781
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 1: reservations at the same few restaurants and worry that we're

1782
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: going to disappoint our significant other or spouse maybe, although

1783
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: I think I think spouses no like Valentine's Day. Who cares, right,

1784
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,759
Speaker 1: But you know, you're dating somebody, you don't know, especially

1785
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,759
Speaker 1: in the early days, that there's gonna be some judgment made,

1786
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: if there's if there's real pressure on NIT to make

1787
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: something happen that's fun and spontaneous and romantic on on

1788
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, you can go, of course, with some nice chocolates,

1789
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean chocolate. I think he's always the answer, I

1790
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Chocolate is always the answer for me, whatever

1791
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 1: the problem is. I feel like chocolate at least has

1792
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: a has a role in the solution, if it's not

1793
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: entirely solution. And on Valentine's say, there's certainly a case

1794
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: to be made for that. But Mother's Day, Father's Day

1795
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: that it's nice, it's nice to take some time and

1796
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: uh and show respect and love too, um the very

1797
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 1: important people in our lives that are our parents. Um.

1798
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 1: Or if of course, in the case of a spouse

1799
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: and you have kids, you know you want to help

1800
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 1: them celebrate Mother's their Father's Day. But hey, everything with

1801
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 1: us was was great and it was so nice, and

1802
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm very blessed to have the family that I do.

1803
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 1: And I also always think that when we talk about

1804
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: privilege and advantage in society, I think the one nice

1805
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,600
Speaker 1: thing that everybody everyone listening should should always remember is

1806
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: that there is there is no bigger advantage in life

1807
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 1: that I know of than having caring parents and and

1808
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: a supportive family. Now that that's you know, if you

1809
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: have that, you've got a lot, and you're very lucky.

1810
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter how much money they have in

1811
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: the bank. It doesn't matter you know where you live.

1812
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: If you have parents who are there for you and

1813
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 1: really care, you've got a big leg up on on life.

1814
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: Um So that's on the happy side of things. But

1815
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: now I gotta transition for a second, because I thought

1816
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 1: Mother's Day was it was safe from the s j

1817
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: w s, from the social justice warriors. So I thought

1818
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that there was Uh. I didn't see at least the

1819
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 1: way that they would come up with some kind of

1820
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 1: anti Mother's Day movement right or or to criticize it.

1821
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Heat Street, though, provided me with evidence that yes, in fact,

1822
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: Mother's Day itself is uh something that we now have

1823
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 1: to sit around and the social justice warriors want to

1824
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 1: litigate it, and they they won't just let it go.

1825
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: Here's what here's the piece on on heat Street by

1826
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: Jillian kay uh Melky or critics attack Mother's Day as

1827
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 1: quote offensive because it's a gendered holiday. That's right. Mother's

1828
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 1: Day is now a problem because of Mother's as being female. Um,

1829
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,600
Speaker 1: let me read you what this says. This was inevitable.

1830
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,320
Speaker 1: This is a quote from piece. This was inevitable. Social

1831
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 1: justice warriors are now saying that Mother's Day is gender exclusionary.

1832
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: Writing in The Toronto Star columnist Emma tit Hell says

1833
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:51,440
Speaker 1: that such gendered holidays are generally a drag for non

1834
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: binary parents who don't identify with a single gender. Uh.

1835
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: There's even a proposed non bind nary Parents Day tight

1836
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 1: held notes July. But she has a different idea, getting

1837
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: rid of both Mothers and Father's Day, and in the

1838
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 1: spirit of both inclusivity and selfishness, opting for a gender

1839
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 1: neutral Guardians Day. A guardian could be a mom, a dad,

1840
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 1: a non binary parent, a grandparent and aunt and uncle,

1841
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: a pet owner, or why the heck not somebody who

1842
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: takes really good care of his house plants. She writes, Ah,

1843
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 1: here we are, here, we are um this Mother's Day.

1844
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: Several transgender people have written or posted videos describing how

1845
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: the holiday can trigger feelings of guilt and confusion. You see,

1846
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: this is one of the outgrowths of a culture that

1847
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: is obsessed with victimology. And we should always know that

1848
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 1: victimology is a very particular kind of uh kind of offense,

1849
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 1: meaning that you claim victims status, but you do it

1850
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: so that there can be a transfer of power to

1851
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 1: the victim class. It's not just we're victims. Be nice,

1852
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: to a it's we're victims, so we're gonna make demands

1853
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 1: now through the state to force you to act a

1854
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:09,719
Speaker 1: certain way that we want you to. So claiming victims

1855
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 1: status is not a it's not a cry for help.

1856
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: It's it's not a plea for kinder, gentler treatment. Although

1857
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:16,720
Speaker 1: it may start it may sound that way in the

1858
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: very beginning, but in our society now, claiming official victimhood,

1859
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 1: claiming victims status as a protected group, whether ethnic group, gender,

1860
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,600
Speaker 1: identity group, any of the above, is always a precursor

1861
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 1: to demanding government action to shift power, to create a

1862
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: power and balance in favor of the supposedly afflicted group.

1863
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: And and that's and that's why you see this now

1864
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:50,719
Speaker 1: um popping up in all kinds of places, and with

1865
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: Mother's Day. I know this isn't going it's not yet

1866
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: at a place where we'll gain traction, but it just

1867
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:59,800
Speaker 1: goes to show you that these people, first of all,

1868
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: the people being social justice warriors, are completely humorless and

1869
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: they can't even allow people to celebrate moms. It's not enough.

1870
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 1: It should be noted. Uh, they don't have a live

1871
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 1: and live philosophy. A transgender parent Day is not what

1872
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: they want. Just like in the school bathroom debate, it's

1873
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 1: not that they want a separate facility that's perfectly usable

1874
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 1: and fine, that is gender neutral. No, they want to

1875
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: force the other side to comply. That's where the power

1876
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: balancing comes in or imbalancing, depending on how you look

1877
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 1: at it. And so in this case, it's not that

1878
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: Mother's Day can exist and Father's Day and Cousin's Day

1879
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 1: and people great whatever days they want, know, to enforce

1880
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 1: their ideology, their orthodoxy, their progressive orthodoxy on the rest

1881
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: of us. The plan will if it's not yet there,

1882
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: it will be uh two, include transgender parents Day or

1883
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: transgender parent Day or whatever, non binary, non cis gender

1884
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 1: parent Day. I mean the language here is is fascinating.

1885
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 1: And by the way that the social justice warriors, I

1886
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,600
Speaker 1: would like to spend more time on this. This is

1887
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of an aside to me. There are so many

1888
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 1: similarities they have to the Communists in their ideology. But anyway,

1889
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: I digress. Team. Yeah,