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Hello, Chad. How 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: you doing? Brother? I am so good right now, Simon, 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: because I'm so excited for the show we're gonna do. 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: One of my favorite guests on the podcast has been 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Michael Lasker, who is a true Hollywood power player. He's 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: a manager at Mosaic, recently named recently named Matt Mitchell 32 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: updated his bio for us one of the forty most 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: powerful people in comedy by the Hollywood Reporter. And that 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: is no slouch, that is no rag, that is legit 35 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: entertainment media. Right there. I want to point out that recently, 36 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: it's like five years ago, let me let me finish 37 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: your intro, last year has come on and obviously he 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: knows his stuff in the entertainment industry, but he's also 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: a fan of it, which when you're a fan of 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: something that you also get to pursue, it just makes 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: your passion all the more palpable. Uh. And he has 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: come on for Oscar's handicapping podcasts, and he's coming on 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: today because we're gonna talk about best gambling films. We're 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about worst gambling films. We're gonna talk 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: about most accurate depictions of gamblers and gambling that we 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: see in movies. Mr Alaskar, welcome to the show, Welcome 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: back to the Thank you. It's it's a pleasure reback. 48 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this the other day that 49 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: I think my predictions were relatively spot on on the 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: Oscar Show, except of course I did not predict like 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: what really happened at night with the greatest controversy the 52 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Oscars have ever seen. But but my my actual like 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: category work was very strong, if I recall, it was 54 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: incredibly strong, and I think we want some people some money. 55 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: I do remember watching some of the show, most of 56 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: the show and being like, we had that, we had that, 57 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: And I'm always super proud because of how deep we go, 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: not just with you, but with the Action Network podcasts 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: on the Actor on the Oscars, what we do on 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Action Network are experts are going deep into sound editing 61 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: and overall editing, like they're not just thinking about the 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: top categories, and so I highly recomed by the way. 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean oftentimes, you know, those top categories are so 64 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: predetermined by the time you get to the Oscars. You know, 65 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: I do not obviously gamble. I don't really gamble at all. 66 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: We'll get to that a second, but yeah, a lot 67 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: of times you get to the Oscars and you kind 68 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: of know who's gonna win, which isn't really that fun. 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: That's a different conversation because of the Golden Globes, which 70 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: may or may not exist anymore, and all these other 71 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: awards shows that have kind of diluted the procession. I mean, Chad, 72 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: you are a little older than me, but you and 73 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: I are old enough to remember when there was really 74 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: only the Oscars and the Golden Globes, and now you 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: have like the SAG Awards, you have all these critics 76 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: awards that get televised, and it's it's created a much 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: longer campaign, which many people in the business are against. 78 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: There's probably some healthy balance no one's figured out yet. 79 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: But I was decided for you guys to reach out 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: about this, and I've I've done a lot of homework, 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: rewatched some classics, and uh, I'm ready when you guys are, 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited. So um. A few weeks ago, we had 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: a friend of the podcast, Academy Award nominated screenwriter Will 84 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: Fetters on the show because he wrote the movie Hustle 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: that came out with Adam Sandler and did you know 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: bo Pho numbers on Netflix and has gotten incredible reviews. 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: I love the movie. Will was also a fan of 88 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: the podcast. Like I said, he knows how to gamble, 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: he knows gambling. So we started this sort of secondary 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: conversation about the best gambling movies, and we didn't get 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: to go as deep as we would like, and so 92 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: giving your expertise, we were excited to have you come 93 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: on and break this down for us. Simon, I'm gonna 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: ask you first. I know we're going to get into 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: some controversial conversations here, but i'm gonna ask you first, 96 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: give me your nominee, your nominee for your let's say, 97 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: three best gambling films. Now, I broke off a little 98 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: because the one of them is not a gambling film. 99 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: It's a TV show. Technically it is Netflix, so I'll 100 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: just start with that one. Squid Games. I don't even 101 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: know if the child ever watched it, but basically, as 102 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: I bleed, South Korean TV show, and it's about degenerates. 103 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: It's literally people that they keep gambling away all this 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: money or they keep taking big risk and have tons 105 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: of debt it and they need to pay off the 106 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: debt by playing in these little kid games and the 107 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: gamble is their life. So I loved it the whole 108 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: concept of it, just because it's just really interesting where 109 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: it's a interesting concept about the world around us right now. 110 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: So I really enjoyed Squid Games. Um. I don't even 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: know if Chad's ever seen it because it is a 112 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: foreign film. Uh subtitles it's very good. Yes, Uh so 113 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: I did that one. Uh as Chad knows. I love Rounders. 114 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Um watch that movie Minimum because I'm a serial. Watch 115 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Your Minimum fifty times. I can think of where I've 116 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: just if it comes on it plays on TV, I'd 117 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: watch it. If I stumbled across the DVD or the 118 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: VHS tape, I throw it in and watch it. Loved 119 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: everything about it, love all the little things to the nuances, 120 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: of it where Matt Damon he lose, he went for it, 121 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: he lost all of it, and it's pretty much a 122 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: film about him trying to get back to it. Where 123 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: you are what you are in life. Like some people, 124 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: they're just drawn to gambling. There's just something about the numbers, 125 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: the luck of it, and there's again we can talk 126 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: about there's lemons out there. Some people like to lose. 127 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Who knows why they do, but they do like to lose. 128 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: And I love that whole aspect of it where he's 129 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: he's just grinding away trying to make that life. And 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: for the last one, for me, I had a really 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: hard one making the top three because again we give 132 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: me option do top five, and I kind of not 133 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: that I phoned it in at the last year. But 134 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: it's just my favorite gambling story. It's twenty one. I 135 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: know Chad has a big, big hand in that, but 136 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: I love twenty one. I just I love the idea 137 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: of these nerds and their m I T teacher wherever 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: the school was just being like, let's go to Vegas 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: and we'll count cards, like I can't believe that's a 140 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: real story that really happened. So people can see what 141 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: they want about the movie. I know the gambling community 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: doesn't love that movie, but I just have us. I 143 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: just really really love that idea and that movie just 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: because it's such a cool story and people like me 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't read that often. I didn't know about it 146 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: until I saw the movie, so to me, it has 147 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: a special place for me. Those are fascinating answers. There's 148 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: a lot to unpack their Michael, I want to start 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: with you give us your response to Simon's suggestions, his nominations, 150 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: and then I want to give up. I think they're 151 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: great idea. I mean, I think they're all great. They 152 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: all fit into it. You know, twenty one is on 153 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people's list because it is a great story. 154 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: Rounders is on my list. What I'll simply say is this. 155 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: When I got the email, you know, from your producers 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: about doing this, I started to think about what makes 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: a good gambling movie, and I started thinking about the 158 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: movies that I liked, and watching a few i'd never seen, 159 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: and rewatching some whatever. I realized that what most of 160 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: them have in common is basically like degenerate men. It's 161 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: never women. Degenerate men who basically are nihilists and want 162 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: to feel pain. And you know, I think it's in 163 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: I think it's in The Gambler, the Original Gambler or 164 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: James Khan, which I would put on my list, where 165 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: I think he hasn't something the effect of like he 166 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: bets because he kind of likes the feeling that he 167 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: might lose and if he loses, well then he knows 168 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: he can then win eventually hopefully. And you look at 169 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: all these movies, and I'll give you some specifics. It's 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: these people that they're addicted there. They are literally addicted. 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: They're addicted to the up and down of it, you know. 172 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, I was thinking about because 173 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm not a gambler. I don't do fancy football, but 174 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: I did have like many people in the world, I 175 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: had that phase in the mid auts where I discovered 176 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: online poker, you know, on ESPN two, and I will 177 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: watch like every night I went to bed when like 178 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Chris Moneymaker and Phil Up with all those guys were coming. 179 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Chris Moneymaker was new, the other guys have been around, 180 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: and they would do these stories like about like Mike 181 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: Matasa where it's like, yeah, one dollars in the next day, 182 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: you had no money couldn't pay his phone bill, and 183 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: you get a sense. And I an old old friend 184 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: of mine from growing up in Oklahoma, rolder brother was 185 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: a professional poker player for a while, and she would 186 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: tell me stories and they're not good stories, you know, 187 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean these there. This is a dark life for 188 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And so I was trying to 189 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: look for movies you know that I think encapsulated that 190 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: desperation and Rounders definitely has it. Mr son of a beat, 191 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Let's play some count I think Rounders in so many 192 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: people's pick because credit to those guys, to Complan Levine 193 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: who wrote it, into John Doll who directed it. They 194 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: do such an amazing job of teaching you poker, and 195 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: they were ahead of the curve as far as it 196 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: exploding in America of teaching you poker in the movie 197 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and teaching you how he can get the edge and 198 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: what he needs. There's so many movies, and some of 199 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna name, we're like you're watching someone play crabs, 200 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: You're watching them like make bets on horse racing. It's 201 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: not quite as tactile as watching the poker and Rounders, 202 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: where you really understand, oh, he needs this, he's bluffing here. 203 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: This is what Malkovich is doing. So I mean Rounders 204 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: is only you know, it just ages better and better 205 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: every year. I watched it a couple of years ago 206 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and I couldn't leave how much it held up and 207 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: just how modern it still feels. It's a great, great movie. 208 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: It is a phenomenal movie. There's so many lines that 209 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: you remember and to your point, it as far as 210 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: timing and nailed it right for it a generation and 211 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: there is a generation between me and Simon. Um, it 212 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: just mattered to everybody. You know. Last night at eleven 213 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: o'clock at night, I I'm going to bed and my 214 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: younger son who's fifteen, has a bunch of his buddies 215 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: over and they're just starting the movie they departed right 216 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: and like that is one of those movies where it 217 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: covers generations. It's gonna last, and Rounders has that same 218 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: feeling about it, a sort of Ed Norton, Matt Damon 219 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of their careers, Combleman Levine, who 220 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: have gone on to do such legendary things including Billions. Um, 221 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: you know they did the Uber Show for show Time, 222 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: like their geniuses at capturing the Heart and the speed 223 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: and the pace and more importantly, the language. Right, Billions 224 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: isn't that far removed from Rounders in terms of the 225 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: complexity of the subject matter. And sometimes it doesn't matter 226 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: if you know what the languages are not because you're 227 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: so invested in the characters and the drama and the 228 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: pace that that you love it for that um Rounders 229 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: has to be on a list. Let me just but 230 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: you didn't response specifically the Squid Game sounds of us right, 231 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: and didn't watched Squid Game. Everyone talked about it. I like, 232 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: I just know it never sounded appealing to me, and 233 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: everyone loved it well, and you have to you have 234 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: to read the subtitles, which is tough for some people. Look, 235 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: I think Twin Games the interesting idea from Simon, because again, 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: when you think about gamming movies, almost all these movies 237 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: veer towards the casinos. And I was sorry with some 238 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: friends when I was telling them it was coming on 239 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: this and people were mentioning like Casino and it's like, well, 240 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: Casino is not really a gambled movie, you know. I 241 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: mean it takes place in Vegas and you get all 242 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: this cool stuff with DeNiro being this great Oddsmaker, but 243 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: it's not a movie where you're watching people gamble left 244 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: and right. I have a have a subset list I'm 245 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: gonna present to you guys as well, which is what 246 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: I refer to as quote gambling movies that are really 247 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: con man movies, but they also might be on these lists. Um, 248 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: I have a lot prepared. You have great? Is super fun? Um? 249 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: Actually a Mosaic client directed it. It's just a boring answer. 250 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: That's why I felt bad saying it's a boring answer. 251 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: But to me, it's just it was just a very 252 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: important movie in my life. That's why I think twenty 253 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: one is super fun. And I think which twenty one 254 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: did why it mattered with people is that if you 255 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: you could probably raise it back to Rainman. Rainman is 256 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: the first time you see someone count cards and then 257 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: they kind of satirized it a little bit or spoofed 258 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: into the hangover. UM, and I think twenty one came 259 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: out after the hangover. I could maybe I'm flip flopping that, 260 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: but I think that people. I think why that movie works, 261 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: why it's fun, it's definitely the kid element, because that 262 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of creates something different than seeing these like degenerate 263 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: thirty year old forty year old men who are smoking 264 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: cigarettes NonStop. But everybody thinks they could count cars that 265 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: if there's a wish fulfilment to it, everybody thinks, oh, 266 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: I could go and I could remember that they had 267 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: already got rid of all the aces and blah blah blah. 268 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of what made it fun. 269 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: And then they came up with a good I've never 270 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: read that book, and I know his books because Ben 271 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: maisen Right. His book also became the Social Network. The 272 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: books are not I don't think, like really heavy duty, 273 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: in depth book books. They're just presenting these real life 274 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: stories and in Hollywood, you know, dramatize them. I think 275 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: Simon List was really good, you know, I mean I was. 276 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit off the beaten path, 277 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: and I respect him with that. And the twenty one 278 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: thing is just it's the whole again. I didn't know 279 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: about this underground world of it's it isn't again. When 280 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: you're brought up your thought too. The man you walk 281 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: into casino, you've already lost, right, the odds are against you. 282 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: And I saw that movie and I was like, wait, 283 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: through math, you can beat the casino and it's not. 284 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: Again they called cheating, it's not. They just figured out 285 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: a way to count cards. So again, I just love 286 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: everything about twenty one. I just think it's such a cool, 287 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: amazing idea and I can't believe it actually really happened. 288 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: That's the craziest part about it. I love it too. 289 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: Um Alan Loebe, who's the screenwriter who has been on 290 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: the podcast often, uh grew up in my hometown. We're 291 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: good friends, did an amazing job with it. I also 292 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm super jealous of the guy who wrote the book 293 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: because The Odds came out the same summer my book 294 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: about guys who have been in sports for a living. 295 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: His book did so much better than mine. And I 296 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: would check the Amazon rankings all the time and it 297 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: would just fucking kill me how much better Bringing Down 298 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: the House was doing than The Odds was doing. But 299 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: in the end, it's a good book and it's a 300 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: it's a great movie, and I loved it. It was 301 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: on my list. It's fourth on my list. If we 302 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: did five, it would be on there, and it used 303 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: to be number three until a conversation we had with 304 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: Will Fetters that maybe we think but Lasker just mentioned 305 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: sort of a subset that might maybe rethink my whole 306 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: entire thing. Michael, Look, when I got the emails at 307 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the top three or top five, I'm gonna compress this. 308 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: I have five, but some of them are in the 309 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: same kind of the same lane, and I want to 310 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: do it to the prism of how these stories evolved 311 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: in like modern Hollywood. So let's just say the bottom one, 312 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: even though it's an incredible movie, is The Hustler with 313 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: Paul Newman. I got a hunch of fat Man. I 314 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: got a hunch it to me from here, know what 315 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean? One corner pocket. I mean that ever happened 316 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: to you all of a sudden, you feel like you 317 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: can't miss. And this is a movie that I had, Like, 318 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I know, I saw Color of Money I was a kid, 319 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: but I hadn't seen The Hustler. I started watching or 320 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: watching all these classics in the beginning of pandemic I've 321 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: never seen. And when I watched The Hustler, you know 322 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: it's Paul Newman Jackie Gleats and they're playing pool. I realized, 323 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: because I'm a nerd, I like, look this up on 324 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: the internet and confirmed it that it's nine one. That's 325 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: one of the first movies ever like a modern film 326 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: with a huge movie star, Paul Newman at the apex 327 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: of his fame, basically playing a loser. He's the degenerate gambler. 328 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: He cannot get out of his own way. He's a mess. 329 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: And the movie has a ton of gambling and a 330 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: ton of degenerates and it's just a great interesting film 331 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: nominated for like ten oscars. I mean, it's a it's 332 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: a really good movie that holds up, and I think 333 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: it's an interesting portrait again of these characters who are 334 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: really chasing the thrill, not the outcome, you know what 335 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: I mean. They're kind of chasing the high along the way, 336 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: and if they win, great, that only makes them want 337 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: to gamble more, and if they lose, only makes them 338 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: want to gamble more as well to get back up 339 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: to being even and so forth. So I think you 340 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: have the Hustler in the early sixties, and then what 341 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: I would say is in the seventies, I'm gonna put 342 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: two together for like number two or whatnot, and that 343 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: would be the Gambler in California Split. So the gambler 344 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: is James Cohn. They remade it terrible Mark Walbert film, 345 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: love Mark Walbert, but not a good movie. And The 346 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Gambler is seventy four, so it's kind of what James 347 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: con does post The Godfather. And then California Split, I 348 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: think it's seventy or seventy two, and that's Robert Altman, 349 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: and that's Elliott Gould and George Siegel and their degenerate gamblers. 350 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: That's a sweet game. It is two dollar buying, right, 351 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: trying to play well. My partner here is the player, 352 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: and I guess I'm the drinker. Calgarnias Split is not 353 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: quite as nihilistic as The Gambler. The Gambler is a 354 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: dark movie. He's this professor in New York and he 355 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: is just he's a dark guy. He's like taking his 356 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: borrowing money from his rich mother and has no guilt 357 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: about not paying it back to the bookies and instead 358 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: betting it even more. And he's terrible to his girlfriend. 359 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: And as a really really dark third act. And then 360 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: California Split, I think you know that's a movie where 361 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: like again it's it's it's not quite as dark, but 362 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: you can luxuriate a little bit more, and that these 363 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: guys are kind of going on these runs and they're 364 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: gambling and they're up and they're down. But the end 365 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: of it then sucker punches you because you realize they're 366 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: both pathetic. One guy kind of sees a light, one 367 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: guy doesn't. But my point is those movies came out 368 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: in the seventies, and those movies kind of paved the 369 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: way for what came later. Of course, you put rounders 370 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: on any list, and I really think, I know it's crazy, 371 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: and you're gonna say it's recency biased, but it's Uncut Gems. 372 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't say Uncut Gems is 373 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: the best gambling film of all time, because I guess 374 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: I was trying to get out is like, and I 375 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: haven't verified this, but I'm positive of the Saffi brothers 376 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: studied The Gambler, studied California Split, studied all these movies. 377 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: But then they took you know, A two thousand, seventeen 378 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: eighteen whenever. It was kind of modern spin and like, 379 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, his Internet. I was listening to them in 380 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: an interview a couple of years ago, and so you know, 381 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: we're making a movie. You know, you have a microphone on, 382 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: like the main actors. But in those scenes in the 383 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: end of the movie, whether they're in the jewelry store, 384 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: there's like seven actors around them. They're all talking, so 385 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: you're also recording all of their dialogue and the amount 386 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: of undertaking that takes with a sound editor to take 387 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: basically like six to seven tracks of dialogue and fuse 388 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: them together, because those scenes are so chaotic because everyone's 389 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: you know, jawing at each other. And I don't know, 390 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's a new movie, but like, 391 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: I've never seen a movie that that gives you the 392 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: highs and lows because he makes the crazy bet and 393 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: you don't think he can win. It makes you pay 394 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: the price because of the ending, and it also takes 395 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: you through all the mania of like him being chased 396 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: by Eric Gozean and his good Like I don't know, 397 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a better movie that captures it. Uh. 398 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: That is the controversial take, right, because um, I want 399 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: to get Simon's response to uncut Gems. Uh, it's funny. 400 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: I did the same thing with The Hustler. When the 401 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: Pandemic started. I had never watched it, and so I 402 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: watched it start to finish, and obviously it was amazing 403 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: and so different than anything I had even could have conjured. 404 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: I had The Color of Money on this list is 405 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: like a great gambling movie. But also I happen to 406 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: have recently rewatched it, and it's not as good a 407 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: movie as I remember when it came out. And I 408 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: think Paul Newman won the Oscar for that. You can 409 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: back me up. I think that's when he did win 410 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: the Oscar for the first time, and I think he 411 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: got it more because of the career than because of 412 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: the quality of that movie. Um. Yeah, and he didn't 413 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: even to show up to the Cavity Awards. I don't 414 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: think he often attended, but at that point he didn't 415 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: care at all, and that it was exactly was a 416 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: late career Oscar, although ironically he got nominated two more times, 417 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: but he didn't win those either. But continue sorry, And 418 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: so I had Rounders on my list. 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That's a great idea. Will Fetters had talked 454 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: about on the podcast as a gambling movie, and I 455 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. It's so central to everything in the movie. 456 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: The dad is a bookmaker, the climax is about them 457 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: and sort of the parlay bet of winning against the 458 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: cowboys and winning the dance contest. The entire thing is 459 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: a gamble, right, It's a different kind of gambling. So, Michael, 460 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: you were talking about like there's a subset of movies 461 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: that are gambling, but not that are about gambling, but 462 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: not gambling like you could put it on that but 463 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: to me, Uncut Gems Barnet like brilliant love everything like 464 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. You know. Before we started the show, we 465 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: were talking about The Bear, right, this new show on 466 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: Hulu which I watched and just devoured and like two 467 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: nights and and like it's as good as anything I've 468 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: seen in years. And it's visceral. It makes you anxious. 469 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: The beats are great, like everything about it's colorful. It's 470 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: just it's awesome, totally awesome. You have that same feeling 471 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: watching and Cut Jens, like even if you don't know 472 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: the world, like you're just tense the whole time. I thought, Sam, 473 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: it was great. Simon, I don't think you like them 474 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: Cut Gems. I think we're on opposite side of this. Yeah, 475 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm just I lived the life though. That's the problem. 476 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: It's like, what do you want from me? It's it's 477 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: it's it's it's I guess someone, Oh, here's your rely for. 478 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: They like to moot the show e R is your 479 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: real life? No, obviously it's not so Uncle Gems is Honestly, 480 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: the only thing I liked about it is it's a 481 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: true tale of these people's lives that they're just spiraling 482 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter what they do, even even if 483 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: they win a million dollars, they're going to go back 484 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: to zero. It's just there are just again we talked 485 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: about there's lemons, like there's just losers. No matter what 486 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: they do, they're going to lose, Like they'll never learn 487 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: the habits. They just don't care. But my biggest thing 488 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: I hated that movie was the parlor, Like I the 489 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: dumbest thing in the entire world. What was it? A nine? 490 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: Nine or seven games and nine? It was like a nine, 491 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: a nine including a nine part parlay, including the tip off, 492 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: which you know is anyone in the industry knows, you know, 493 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: one's betting the fucking tip But it's it's a nice 494 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: way to have a dramatic moment. But what's interesting now 495 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: in the modern sports world, with sports betting legal everywhere, 496 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: every single book is offering these new markets. And when 497 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs were happening, two the most popular markets 498 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: were first basket, who will score the first basket and 499 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: the type of the first basket scored? Right, those are 500 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: sucker bets, those are square bets, but the bookmakers the 501 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: operators are putting those markets available on their app front 502 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: and center, and so they're becoming more and more popular 503 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: because their immediate gratification. You see it right away, it's available. 504 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: We're covering them now. There are ways to sort of 505 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: game the system, same with first touchdown or no run 506 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: first inning. So all of a sudden, it's it's life 507 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: catching up to art because that could be a parlay 508 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: that people are making now. It is. It's just they 509 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: didn't need to do that. They could have just had 510 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: him put all of it on the one side and 511 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: that side loses and the ending still happens the same way. 512 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: It was just like, again, I know what they were 513 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: doing that whole point of that movie, but I just 514 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: will never forget how many people hit me up about 515 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: it because it's it's Sandler and everyone's like, dude, Stanley 516 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: did a gambly movie. You must love this movie, and 517 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: it's like, I fucking hated it. I have liked the 518 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: more now, like I've seen it probably two or three 519 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: times now, it's gotten better in my opinion, but like, yeah, 520 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: first time seeing it, I was just like, what a 521 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: waste of time and a lesson for everyone unless you 522 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: want to see the worst and ugliest side of sports betting? 523 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Was that not? Maybe? The point? You know it was definite? Um. Yeah, 524 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: I I hear it everything you're saying, and it's me. 525 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: It's almost like you're saying, yeah, Like does a heroin addict, 526 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, enjoy watching Raccoon for a dream? Maybe not? 527 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like that might too. I'm 528 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: not calling you a heroinet excitement. You look very healthy. Um. 529 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: But it does bring up a good point, which is 530 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: something else that we want to talk about, which is 531 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: what movies had the best depiction of gambling. Michael, you 532 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: mentioned The Gambler. I mean there's a scene. I haven't 533 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: seen The Gambler for twenty something years because some of 534 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: the scenes in there were so disturbing, including like James 535 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: Cohn in a bathtub, like just in complete and total desperation. 536 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: What happens is he's he's up and then he loses 537 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: all this money and he has a little bit of 538 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: money left and as the book, he is leaving with 539 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: the money he's just had to pay him. He's like, 540 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: I want you to I want to take the Lakers 541 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 1: over the SuperSonics and because it's like nineties seventy four. 542 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: The games just like on the radio, you know that 543 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: you can't see all these games on TV. And he's 544 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: sitting in the bath and it's a game that like 545 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: comes down like literally the last second someone makes a 546 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: lucky shot and he has the radio at the edge 547 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: of the bath and you're watching it and you kind 548 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: of think, oh, he's gonna electrocute himself. He's to get 549 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: so upset that the radio is going to go into 550 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: the bathtub and he's gonna die. Um. Yeah, it's a 551 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: dark movie and it and it's and it also it's 552 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: from an era where, like you know, it's in a 553 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: great era where they were making darker films and they 554 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: were you know, James Cohn was never a Sonny exuse 555 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: the pun, because Sonny Cordoni was never a Sonny you know, 556 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: character actor, you know, even in Elf like Dark Cloud. Yeah, 557 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: I think someone said you a Christmas Graham. All right, 558 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: let's get it over with. Sanda must have called you, like, 559 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: are you going to sing a song or something that 560 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: I can I just go back to work, right. Yeah, 561 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: he plays dark people and yeah, in The Gambler, he's 562 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: just he's an asshole. He is just like cannot get 563 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: out of his own way. But he's not even a 564 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: lovable asshole. Some of these movies, you know, where you 565 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: have these gamblers, they're they're kind of lovable in their 566 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: in their desperation, but he's just kind of depraved. You know, 567 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: one thing you're a producer could mentioned. I don't know 568 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: if this is jumping ahead, but or it just made 569 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: me think about how again, there are a lot of 570 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: movies that have gambling, like Casino, but they're more con 571 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: Man movies. You know. I don't think you'd put Oceans 572 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: eleven on this list, or even The Sting, you know, 573 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: Like I was seeing about The Sting, which I love 574 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: this thing, but to me, The Sting is more of 575 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: a con Man film than a gambling film. Yes, they're gambling, 576 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: and they're faking gambling in their final subterfuge they pull 577 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: off on Robert Shaw, but I think those are more 578 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: con Man movies, right, Yeah, I don't. I don't think 579 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: of Oceans eleven as a gambling movie at all. It's 580 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: a great Vegas movie. It falls under the same rubric 581 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: as die Hard. Right. Is it a Christmas movie or 582 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: is not a Christmas movie, those are sort of they're 583 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: not gambling movies to me in any sense of the word. 584 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: Not any since the work. Can I pitch you a movie? 585 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious if either of you have seen this. It's 586 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: a B movie, but I think it's an excellent movie 587 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: and it is a half gambling movie, half con man 588 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: movie from I was thinking about it a lot during 589 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: this this prep. Have you ever seen Digstown with James 590 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: Woods and lue Gossa Jr. Yes. The premise of this 591 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: movie is James Woods is a con man and he 592 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: goes to this small town and he makes a bet 593 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: with Bruce Dern, who's like the owns the town and says, 594 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: I can take my boxer Lugssa Jr. Who's like late fifties, 595 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: early sixties, and he in a twenty period can beat 596 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: any ten boxers from your county you put up against him. 597 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: So you're saying that our boxing here in Ditchtown is 598 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: not to your satisfaction. Mr Kane, Nice to meet Jay. 599 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: Cannot be finane, kist you, It's never too Satisfyingly, who's 600 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna win every time? You know what I mean? Trunks 601 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: over here? Okay, halfway to the first round, he comes out, 602 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: I know he's gonna be kissing canvas and baboom. He's 603 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: already done it twice. So what do you think, is 604 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: he gonna kiss canvas the third time? Yes? And so 605 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: the movie takes place over twenty four hours. It's Lucassa Jr. 606 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: Who actually looks really good in the movie. He must 607 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: he had to be fifty five or sixty. He's still 608 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: like pretty well built, and he's taking on young men 609 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: who are like ripped boxers. But every twenty minutes there's 610 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: a twist, and then they keep upping the bet and 611 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: you kind of realized that James Woods has been like 612 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: setting this all. I don't want to give anything away. 613 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: It was directed by Michael Ritchie, who's not alive anymore, 614 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: who directed Bad News Bears, directed Downhill Racer with Robert Redford, 615 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: directed to Candidate, directed a lot of really great movies 616 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: that are kind of classics to a certain age of people, 617 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: but they aren't really classics today except Bad News Bears, 618 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: of course. But it's a really good movie. And it's 619 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: a combo. It's a con man and a gambling film. 620 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: And I saw with my buddy Joey in Tulsa Oklahoma, 621 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: and it was just like late August surprise of like 622 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: what a fun, weird little movie. You know I'd recommended 623 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: to all the doers. Is Joey your buddy from Oklahoma, 624 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: who's now the mayor of Oklahoma City. That's that's David Holt, 625 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: who's the mayor Oklahoma City. Good for David Holt. Um. 626 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: Here's the one thing I want to get before we go, 627 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: which is is worres gambling movies like Simon is Uncut 628 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: gems on your list of worst gambling movies. No, I 629 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: just again, I just hate it because I'm too close 630 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: to it. It's like, why do that? Why showed that? 631 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: Why I showed that side when they just legalized gambling. 632 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: But I get why they're doing it. Um for me, 633 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: it be probably too for the money. I just I 634 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: just remember the hype around it again. It's it's literally 635 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: sports betting. It's what I do. And man, the order 636 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: I've gotten the more times I watched, it's like, what 637 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: the hell is this movie? It's just it is weird. 638 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: And it's just weird too because Alpaccino and McConaughey and 639 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: it's just a complete egg. I mean like Alpacina's character 640 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: he like is a lemon in that movie. It's the 641 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: whole movie is just weird. Yeah, I gotta say, if 642 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: I learned anything it's that gambling is not your problem, 643 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: not even close. I don't know how to say this 644 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: without sounding a little rude, But you're a lemon leon, 645 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: like a bad car. There is something inherently defective in you, 646 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: and you and you and me and all of us 647 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: in this room. You see, most gamblers, when they go 648 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: to gamble, they go to win. When we go to gamble, 649 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: we go to lose. Subconsciously me, I never feel better 650 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: or more alive than when they're raking the chips away, 651 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: not bringing a man. And everybody here knows what I'm 652 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: talking about. Hell, even when we win, it's just a 653 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: matter of time before we give it all back. I'm 654 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: just gonna go with my worst one. I would say 655 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: two for the Money, just because they could have made 656 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: such an awesome, cool movie and they really fumbled the bag. 657 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more on two for the Money. Terrible, terrible movie, 658 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: So disappointing because as you, not as a better but 659 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: just as a purveyor and member the media who has 660 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: been doing this forever. I just had high expectations for 661 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: what it could be. Here's the controversial take again. You 662 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: need to make our own two for the money chat. 663 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: We got the man here. We gotta get the script 664 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: to lock ourselves in the cabin for a week. Here's 665 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: a here's another one, Molly's Game. I love Aaron Sorkin. 666 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: We talked about Western before we were before we started 667 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: recording this game was this. This movie was fucking terrible. 668 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: It was plotting, it was predictable. I love Sorkin as 669 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: a writer. I think as a director he's doing after 670 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: school specials. I thought, and his his his his movie 671 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: on HBO. I think it was about the trials in 672 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: sixty nine about um, I forgot what was what was called? 673 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was terrible, no good. As a director. 674 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: Here's I would say I was. I thought about Molly's Game. 675 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to throw out, UM, I don't 676 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: want to hate it too hard on anybody's movies. The 677 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: thing I will say about Molly's Game, I do think 678 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: it has a sequence in it, And I'm curious, Simon, 679 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: if you you know how you feel about this. I 680 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: think the sequence in the middle of the movie with 681 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: Bill Camp. Bill Camps a character after he played the 682 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: janitor in The Queen's Gambit. You've seen him in a 683 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: hundred Things. He's the guy in the middle of the 684 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: movie who she says in the Erasion, he just wanted 685 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: to come play poker quickly before he went to celebrate 686 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: his anniversary with his wife. And he's the guy who 687 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: gets up real fast and then loses everything again and 688 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: again again. And he's a genius. He's a famous actor 689 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 1: from Broadway. I think that sequence is an outstanding sequence 690 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: because they really give you the sense of how fast 691 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: everything changes and how the digger, the bigger the hole 692 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: you dig, the more you're willing to gamble to get 693 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: out of the hole, which never really works. So you know, 694 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: the movie, it's an interesting movie. It's a little all 695 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: over the map with the way it's told and that 696 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Costner stuff that was all made up, um you know, 697 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean they had to, they had to dramatize, you know, 698 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: and make a movie. But that Bill Camp sequence really 699 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: stood out to me of just that's how it happens. 700 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, guy just wants to play quick poker game 701 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: before he goes to dinner with his wife, and you 702 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: watch that scene and you're like, did that guy ever 703 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: go home again? Like did he ever even see it? 704 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like his life must have 705 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: been ruined. I don't know if that was true, but 706 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: they were just you know, dramatizing. But it is what 707 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: that that is interesting in that you can pick out 708 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: the sequence, but the movie itself wasn't all that special, 709 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: which makes what happened in uncut Gems, or what they 710 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: did in Rounders, or even the way the parlay becomes 711 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: something that is a through line for silver Linings or 712 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: the excitement of twenty one. Gambling is relatively sedentary as 713 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: an activity, right, and so the ability of the filmmaker, 714 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: the screenwriter whoever, to create something that has pace and 715 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 1: feels exciting and you feel the tension, it's really hard 716 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: to do. It's why other ones like Molly's Game or 717 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: Two for the Money do so badly is because you 718 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: don't get that that particular moment. Right, there was another 719 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: one lay the favorite, Right, the movie was fucking awful, 720 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: just like cliche and like this was another one Simon 721 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: where it was coming out and everyone's like, cool, it's 722 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: going to be a cool new movie about sports betting 723 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: is based on a cool book. You don't get the 724 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: gambling right, If you don't get the pacing right in 725 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: the anxiety, you kind of lose the threat. In the future, 726 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: I do think that as more as sports because more normal. 727 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I do think more professionals that come forward, and we 728 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: might get better sports betting movies because to me, the 729 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: life itself as cool as hell. Like on there for you. 730 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: When I first met a professional better we went to 731 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: a sports book and he showed me he had a 732 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: bag of money, say it was tent k. He goes, 733 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: you want to see a magic trick? And I said, yeah, 734 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna turn this tent came into a hundred K. 735 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: Waiting this car for the next five hours, goes in 736 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 1: the sports book. I stay there and watched the rest 737 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: of his cash in the back of the car. He 738 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: comes sure enough, he comes back out after the baseball 739 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: games four hours later, get a delf of bag with 740 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: seventy K and and I just remember thinking, like, holy 741 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: sh it, I want this life. So that's what I mean. 742 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: There's there's cool things he's sports writers or sports movies 743 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: could do with sports betting. I think we're gonna be 744 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: a good air for that coming up. Well, Michael Lasker, 745 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: manager at Mosaic, most powerful person in all of comedy 746 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. There's there's no doubt about it. I know 747 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: you're shaking your head. I'm just gonna say it. Don't 748 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: worry about it. Uh, Simon Hunter, Matt Mitchell. Uh, this 749 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: has been super fun. This has been the Favorites podcast 750 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: from the Volume Podcast Network. Download us on Spotify, Apple Podcast, 751 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: rate review, subscribe, Ubus five stars, say whatever you want. 752 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: Feedback is a gift. Until next time. I love you,