Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, I'm strong
Speaker 1: and Jetty, and he I'm strong and Getty. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: mothers in the street. Let the streets. Let the streets
Speaker 1: soak in their red capitalist bloods.
Speaker 2: I am not going to be in the same party
Speaker 2: with a sun Piper. I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 2: If he becomes a force in a dumb privy party,
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. I have no intention of ever
Speaker 2: being in the same political party with that guy. Now,
Speaker 2: I think that a majority of overwhelming majority of Democrats
Speaker 2: agree with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll see. James Carvel, I think you need
Speaker 1: to get out of the Democratic Party because the Soundpiker
Speaker 1: is in the Democratic Party at least as of today.
Speaker 1: He was on stage with the l Siad character up
Speaker 1: in Michigan night before he won his amazing election. Here's Bernie.
Speaker 1: One thing Bernie and I have in common, Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 1: is we both think this is an unbelievable historic achievement
Speaker 1: by this guy.
Speaker 3: The key race was the Senate race in which doctor
Speaker 3: Adul al Sayid won a vigorant what Abdul had to
Speaker 3: do is take on the entire Michigan Democratic establishment.
Speaker 1: Bernie said basically the same thing I said Wednesday, only
Speaker 1: with a different inflection, and that this is one of
Speaker 1: the most incredible wins in modern political history any real talent,
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why it's not getting that being
Speaker 1: treated like that. This is the most radical candidate for
Speaker 1: a major office in one of the two major parties
Speaker 1: in my entire life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there are handful of reasons. Everybody's afraid
Speaker 4: to really comment on it in a strong way. The
Speaker 4: usual basis of the mainstream media. They don't want to
Speaker 4: criticize somebody on the left. They don't want to be
Speaker 4: called in islamavaulbe. There are all sorts of reasons that
Speaker 4: are uncomfortable with this.
Speaker 1: So worth pointing out that this l Saiad dude, who
Speaker 1: are about to hear from running for the US Senate.
Speaker 1: He is not a Democratic Socialist of America candidate. He
Speaker 1: is not officially a DSA candidate like some of the
Speaker 1: other people that won these various races. As the National
Speaker 1: Review rights, Abdul l Siad is a mask on, mask
Speaker 1: off socialist, consistently claiming that he is not technically or
Speaker 1: practically a member of the DSA, despite having been intimately
Speaker 1: associated with its Detroit area chapter for a decade, including
Speaker 1: in a fundraising capacity. So he's working with the fundraising
Speaker 1: with him and all that sort of stuff. And he
Speaker 1: has almost all of their same main platform tenants Medicare
Speaker 1: for all, packing the Supreme Court getting away with this
Speaker 1: into the Senate filibuster, or the electoral College, abolishing ice,
Speaker 1: all those different things. So hey, he's one of them.
Speaker 1: He's just savvy enough not to admit it. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I guess is good news. That's the whole hypocrisy, is
Speaker 1: the tribute vice pays to virtue or whatever that is.
Speaker 1: Because he realizes he shouldn't say it out loud. That's
Speaker 1: a good thing for us that he thinks. It's not
Speaker 1: good us. Everybody falls for it. It's not good at all.
Speaker 1: But I see your point. Yeah, it's just better than
Speaker 1: we're at the point where touting it out loud is
Speaker 1: your best bet, right, It's still we're still at the
Speaker 1: point where keeping a secret is the best bet. Thank God.
Speaker 1: He's good though, as many people who have seen him
Speaker 1: up close say he is. He's one of those generational
Speaker 1: talent sort of politicians, and he's running against this guy
Speaker 1: who lots of conservatives. I really like Mike Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: hated when he decided to leave the House and get
Speaker 1: out of politics. And he's running as the Republican for
Speaker 1: the Senate in Michigan. And here's El Saied, the Democrat
Speaker 1: now with his major upset, challenging Mike Rodgers.
Speaker 5: Mike, I'm gonna say right here. I know you're gonna
Speaker 5: say no because you're a coward. Five debates, all right,
Speaker 5: if you're willing to stand with me and have a conversation,
Speaker 5: you and I both know that you will wither in
Speaker 5: front of your own crimes. But I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 5: Michiganders know about them, because at the time we're done,
Speaker 5: you are not going to have safe quarter from people
Speaker 5: holding you accountable to what you've done for them here
Speaker 5: in Michigan. We will send you back to Florida, where
Speaker 5: you belong. Five debates. I'm hoping for an answer today.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 4: There have been at least a couple of comments from
Speaker 4: people who are not super comfortable with There will be
Speaker 4: no safe quarter for you from a guy who's supported
Speaker 4: October seventh and Hamas and all sorts of deadly Islamist
Speaker 4: attacks was up at so it was uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Was upset when the Ietola died. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: not entirely comfortable.
Speaker 4: He kind of He's a gifted speaker, so he figured
Speaker 4: out I could hear it in his tone of voice.
Speaker 4: He figured out, Oh, I need to finish this sentence
Speaker 4: a little differently.
Speaker 1: And he did.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the idea that Mike Rodgers is going to
Speaker 4: wither in a debate as well, that's that's the.
Speaker 1: Political Uh, you know, gamesmanship. That's fine. You're gonna pay
Speaker 1: for your crimes. As John pod Horitz wrote today, Uh,
Speaker 1: Rogers crimes include having served his country in the military
Speaker 1: and having met an FBI agent. Those are crimes intrinsically
Speaker 1: to the DSA jihattist. This is going to be a
Speaker 1: very interesting three months. It is. And uh, if you
Speaker 1: don't know Mike Rodgers act, he's he's really good. He's
Speaker 1: he's not like, well, the the woman that ELSEI had
Speaker 1: just beat, who was a pretty weak act with her
Speaker 1: really going hard with her Michigan accent, thinking that was
Speaker 1: going to save her or something like that or that
Speaker 1: numb nuts in Wisconsin. Now, Mike Rodgers is a smart guy,
Speaker 1: serious guy, so this could be damn interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be the highest level everybody tunes in sort
Speaker 1: of debates. I don't know if he's going to agree
Speaker 1: to five. I don't know. Like I said, I think
Speaker 1: Mike Rodgers is probably hunkered down with a bunch of
Speaker 1: political geniuses trying to decide what's the best way to
Speaker 1: handle this, right right, I.
Speaker 4: Think in the standard way. But he's very smart. He
Speaker 4: knows he's up against a real talent. This guy is,
Speaker 4: as I said before, he's like a super villain in
Speaker 4: a superhero movie. To underestimate him or just mock him
Speaker 4: would be a terrible, terrible mistake because he has evil, evil,
Speaker 4: anti American intent, and he's very good at it.
Speaker 1: So how do you end up getting the nomination when,
Speaker 1: as Bernie said, the entire democratic establishment is against you.
Speaker 1: Bernie knows something about that because he's had the entire
Speaker 1: democratic establishment against him twice, or he would have been
Speaker 1: the nominee for president. I mean, you wouldn't think that
Speaker 1: you could win if the governor and the head of
Speaker 1: the Senate in your party and all these different people
Speaker 1: and sixty million dollars and all that you wouldn't think
Speaker 1: you could win. Here's how Joe was talking about this
Speaker 1: Ler governor too. Joe was talking about how the turnouts low,
Speaker 1: first of all primaries, but only four Here are the numbers.
Speaker 1: Only forty percent of Americans vote in most elections, in
Speaker 1: local elections and primaries, it's ten percent. That's your average
Speaker 1: turnout in your primaries, ten percent. Over ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of the Muslims voted, with ninety eight percent of those
Speaker 1: voting for l SA ED. So you got almost an
Speaker 1: entire turnout of one particular kind of vote that all
Speaker 1: voted for you. That's how you win a primary.
Speaker 4: Voted for their co religionist, and that's the main the
Speaker 4: mainstream media would be lined up to condemn if it
Speaker 4: was a Baptist for instance.
Speaker 1: Good point. That's how Muslims and DSA communists are being
Speaker 1: elected all over the country, these turnouts in these elections.
Speaker 1: So I guess the big question is do they go
Speaker 1: on to lose all these races and that sets them
Speaker 1: back many many years as the Democratic Party realizes as
Speaker 1: not the way to go. Where do they win some
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: See, well, Osama bin Laden would respond, you Americans have
Speaker 4: the watches, we have the time. They will islam Mists,
Speaker 4: which is distinct from Muslims who just view Islam as
Speaker 4: a personal faith, call them reformed Muslims as opposed to
Speaker 4: fundamentalist Muslims. Fundamentalists would say, now, we're just going to
Speaker 4: keep growing the population of Muslims in the United States
Speaker 4: until we win those elections. Might be next cycle, might
Speaker 4: be fifteen cycles from now. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Our goal.
Speaker 4: Our only goal is to conquer the world for Allah.
Speaker 4: That's what they would say, if they're being honest.
Speaker 1: Is Elseaiad going to have to distance himself from this
Speaker 1: piker character before the election.
Speaker 4: The fact that he hasn't already is astonishing to me
Speaker 4: because I almost jumped in when you were setting this
Speaker 4: up with that tape of Piker. It's not like he
Speaker 4: has existed at the fringe of a fringe election. He
Speaker 4: was next to the guy over and over again, including
Speaker 4: at his victory party at the perhaps the most paid
Speaker 4: attention to oh, absolutely primary race in America. Absolutely, and
Speaker 4: where's the New York Times. Other than some Republicans are
Speaker 4: concerned about his association with hasan piker. It's if you
Speaker 4: see coverage at all, it's under the Republican's pounds.
Speaker 1: Yep. I saw that on Masthab. I saw that in
Speaker 1: an MSNBC this morning. They went with the Republicans are
Speaker 1: lovingness and really trying to make Hay with it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the thing you think. Yeah, what what's your
Speaker 1: party think about it? I think your Margaret Brennan's unfaced
Speaker 1: the nation and those people. I think when they get
Speaker 1: either hasan Piker on their show or else I had
Speaker 1: on their show, I think they're gonna make them. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have to answer for this. I think
Speaker 1: they will too.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing more and more, in fact, I've got a
Speaker 4: good one here somewhere of articles that are essentially the
Speaker 4: Democratic Party is now getting together in dark rooms and
Speaker 4: saying what do we do about this? And they're ready
Speaker 4: to spend a zillion dollars to get rid of this
Speaker 4: cancer in their bodies, according to some.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not despondent enough to believe that you can
Speaker 1: get away with saying white people's blood needs to run
Speaker 1: in the streets, kill the mf ors when you're talking
Speaker 1: about housing. I mean, I don't think we're there yet,
Speaker 1: so I assume that LSIAD is probably gonna call Piker
Speaker 1: or you probably have a personal conversation so nobody can
Speaker 1: hear it and say, hey, you and I both know
Speaker 1: we're on the same page. Fist bump. But I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pretend I don't like you anymore. Okay,
Speaker 1: until November we were good. I think that. Orpen, hey, can.
Speaker 4: You spin this a little bit and say, hey, I
Speaker 4: got out of hand. Here's I'm just really for economic
Speaker 4: justice for the working class. What I care about was
Speaker 4: in for a few months. Yeah, and Piker will say, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's going to have to happen. Well, those
Speaker 1: debates are sure going to be fun, though. Challenge him
Speaker 1: to five debates. Called him a coward, that's that's some
Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, if you like the game of you know,
Speaker 1: running for office, the jousting.
Speaker 4: If the guy was merely a communist, I would enjoy
Speaker 4: this a lot more. The fact that he represents a
Speaker 4: worldwide movement of conquest makes me a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But you're right, it.
Speaker 4: Will be a great sport. I've got some great stuff.
Speaker 4: Speaking of a communist halfwits about the uh that Jess
Speaker 4: Francesca Hong is that her name?
Speaker 1: Running for governor of Wisconsin. She's a kook. She's the
Speaker 1: anti Thanksgiving person. That's the hot issue in America right now.
Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, there's nothing say cold. The red in the
Speaker 4: flag is cranberry sauce in my heart. The blue is
Speaker 4: I don't know what would it be? You eat something
Speaker 4: blue blue blueberry pie.
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm trying to come up with something here.
Speaker 4: The white is clearly mashed potatoes are the white meat
Speaker 4: of the noble turkey. Anyway, she's a half wit, I
Speaker 4: will Oh my god, the media's complicity.
Speaker 1: This is a stunning indictment coming up. Stay with us.
Speaker 1: That reminds me. I ate some expired ham last night,
Speaker 1: and I've been kind of keeping an eye on it
Speaker 1: on my health. I really expired, but two full weeks
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, sliced down a problem, two full
Speaker 1: weeks sliced in a plastic bag ham. Uh it wasn't
Speaker 1: a plastic bag. Yeah, I mean the bag had been opened.
Speaker 1: He was in the fridge. Two weeks is okay? Now
Speaker 1: you give me two months. I'm impressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it because that packaged me to last a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: I want you to be right. I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: arguing with it. But it smelled funky and taste. Oh
Speaker 1: wait a minute now, Oh wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute. I thought, I assumed
Speaker 1: that a sane human being would look at it, smell it,
Speaker 1: and think this smells perfect and eat it. No, you
Speaker 1: you like? Overcame the funk. No, I ate it, and
Speaker 1: then thought, oh, this tastes a little funny. Then I
Speaker 1: had Henry smell it. Henry said that smells horrible. Oh lord,
Speaker 1: did you start it outside on your patio? That's where
Speaker 1: I keep doing it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the heat. Because you don't want it all
Speaker 4: chili when you eat it, Michael, you don't want to
Speaker 4: crank up still a lie. You don't want to crank
Speaker 4: up the oven in the summertime. It's hot outside, So
Speaker 4: I just leave the meat on the side.
Speaker 1: Walk that's good. This smart hand bone, handbone? What are
Speaker 1: you saying? Well, it's green, so keep an eye on
Speaker 1: me if I go down, it's the expired meat. Stay here.
Speaker 6: Thanksgaping is also a time that's incredibly painful for many
Speaker 6: people in our communities.
Speaker 1: And so I think there. I wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that people understood that they are multiple views, but no
Speaker 1: views can a fall, you freaking crackpots.
Speaker 4: For some reason, the half witted communist running for the
Speaker 4: governor of Wisconsin, Francesca Hong back to Jack, ranting.
Speaker 1: For some reason, that struck me anew, you freaking crackpots.
Speaker 1: Do you know how few people are worried about Thanksgiving? Nobody? Nobody,
Speaker 1: Nobody sits down for Thanksgiving in pain because of genocide?
Speaker 1: You nut jobs? Where do you come from? What is
Speaker 1: your life like? Do you know how crazy you are? Ah?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree? Driving me nuts? This will drive
Speaker 1: you nuts, sir.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 4: Tom Tiffany, who's the oddly named Republican running against the
Speaker 4: communist halfwt for Wisconsin governor, is smearing his opponent, Francesca
Speaker 4: Hog Hong Hog.
Speaker 1: That was not a that was me misspeaking, and I apologize.
Speaker 1: That was a Freudian Thanksgiving slip. You're thinking about food,
Speaker 1: probably right.
Speaker 4: So here are some of the smears, pointing out that
Speaker 4: she said she wants to abolish the Senate. Francesca's team
Speaker 4: hit back hard quote Tom Tiffany's once again telling lies
Speaker 4: in inventing quotes because he can't run on his record.
Speaker 4: Representative Hang is never called for abolishing the US Senate.
Speaker 4: Tiffany cannot produce a single statement where she did because
Speaker 4: it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Here's her tweet in response to.
Speaker 4: Some Cassim Rashid talking about how undemocratic the Senate is.
Speaker 4: Francesca Hong for Governor's official Twitter account says abolish the
Speaker 4: Senate free words, and it's still up. It gets worse,
Speaker 4: so again, her campaign says, Tom Tiffany's once again telling
Speaker 4: lies in inventing quotes, and that tweet that says abolish
Speaker 4: the Senate is still up. Here's the worst part. Here's
Speaker 4: a prominent Wisconsin journals, Tom Kircher, who's like the king
Speaker 4: of the fact checkers in Wisconsin. So the Tiffany campaign said, dude,
Speaker 4: she literally tweeted abolished the Senate. Here's Tom Kircher, the
Speaker 4: fact checker's reply to the Tiffany campaign, as always, thanks
Speaker 4: for the suggestion, but I think we're going to pass
Speaker 4: on this one since it's one tweet and this doesn't
Speaker 4: seem to be her position.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Wow, she said it publicly in writing and it's still up.
Speaker 4: But the fact checker says, I'll pass on it. You know,
Speaker 4: you can't hate the media enough.
Speaker 1: You can't. And as we've said, the whole like the
Speaker 1: concept of fact checking has been dead for a very
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, please, it's a masquerade for spin or just advocacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never said that. You can't prove it, Uh proves it.
Speaker 4: In fact, she did say that. Well, she just said
Speaker 4: it one time.
Speaker 1: It's not a position, it's the position the DSA, which
Speaker 1: she's a member of. Well, she doesn't support everything in
Speaker 1: the DSA. God, we've got some mass surveillance stuff. We
Speaker 1: got some AI stuff. We got a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 7: So stay armstrong and getty. She access to the computers,
Speaker 7: to the LPR cameras to find information and track her
Speaker 7: boyfriend's ex wife.
Speaker 6: Investigators say Elizabeth Snowman access to the department's flock camera
Speaker 6: system dozens of times for personal use. Flock cameras automatically
Speaker 6: scan every license plate that passes, logging the vehicle, the time,
Speaker 6: and the location into a searchable database that police can
Speaker 6: use to track vehicles.
Speaker 1: One of the more interesting things that's happened in my
Speaker 1: life is that the government, the man, the state, started
Speaker 1: tracking everywhere you'd and keeping records of it, and nobody
Speaker 1: discussed this or voted on it, or ever talks about it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting didn't exist decades ago when I was young.
Speaker 1: There's no way anybody had the slightest idea where I
Speaker 1: drove my car. Now everybody knows where I go all
Speaker 1: the time and keeps track of it, and we never
Speaker 1: discussed this. So that was your takeaway.
Speaker 4: My takeaway was that the woman who illegally accessed the information,
Speaker 4: her last name is Snowman.
Speaker 1: How weird is that?
Speaker 4: I came across earlier today a politician in Ohio. His
Speaker 4: last name is porn pr and I saw that you
Speaker 4: gotta change your name. Your name is is John Porn.
Speaker 1: No matter what your name is, politician, school teacher, whatever
Speaker 1: you do for a living, who goes through the life
Speaker 1: with the last name Porn, Why would you want to
Speaker 1: put up with that every day of your life? Checking
Speaker 1: into a hotel, getting a reservation at a restaurant, eating
Speaker 1: a girl and what's your name? Table for four porn?
Speaker 1: Your last name's Porno and port every day your whole life.
Speaker 1: Why would you put up with that? Meanwhile, back to
Speaker 1: the icy coal defenses of Miss Snowman, who.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, so she accessed it dozens of
Speaker 4: times for personal use. This the government will carefully protect
Speaker 4: your privacy stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's finish the report and then I have comments.
Speaker 6: Block Safety says it now has about one hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty thousand cameras installed across the US. Critics call it
Speaker 6: a mass surveillance system, sparking protests over privacy concerns. Cameras
Speaker 6: in Houston have been vandalized, covered in spray paint, and Wenona, Minnesota,
Speaker 6: all eight of the city's cameras were stolen. Flock CEO
Speaker 6: saying the company is now under a coordinated attack, but
Speaker 6: insists America can have both safety and privacy.
Speaker 1: Wow, that'll put a statement.
Speaker 4: I'm putting aside how obnoxiously definitive that statement is. And
Speaker 4: it is obnoxious.
Speaker 1: Flock.
Speaker 4: Whoever your spokes whole is fire them and get a
Speaker 4: better one. That is the question, safety versus privacy. It's
Speaker 4: always been the question. My town where I live is
Speaker 4: just instituting this, and they're making it very very clear,
Speaker 4: and I kind of sort of know some of the
Speaker 4: people involved that, Look, we are just going to use
Speaker 4: this for missing persons. For people who commit serious crimes
Speaker 4: we want to get them, and people whose politics we
Speaker 4: don't like. Oh lord, the dystopian fantasies of Jack Armstrong
Speaker 4: and I believe they are one hundred percent sincere or.
Speaker 1: Hot chicks that we saw at the grocery store and
Speaker 1: wonder where they live. But here you got some dim
Speaker 1: wit jealous of her boyfriend's ex named Snowman, who access
Speaker 1: is it dozens of times for personal use? Now? Was
Speaker 1: that a cop shop particularly ill disciplined and badly run
Speaker 1: so that she could or is it just the millionth
Speaker 1: example of if the government gets a power, it will
Speaker 1: abuse a power.
Speaker 4: And trust me, I want scumbags and criminals and predators
Speaker 4: taken from the street, prosecuted and put in cages for
Speaker 4: the rest of their natural lives. Soft on crime, I
Speaker 4: ain't but the idea that the government has access to
Speaker 4: everywhere you go. But don't worry, we'll just use it
Speaker 4: for legitimate purposes. I mean, come on, you don't have
Speaker 4: to be George Orwell to see the problem.
Speaker 1: Well as you heard, you've got to make the decision.
Speaker 1: Do you want to security your freedom? Make up your mind.
Speaker 1: You can't sell your soul's desire for freedom. You can't
Speaker 1: have both, right. We gave that one away pretty easy.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh boy, see this is so important, Michael,
Speaker 1: and I was about to undermine it with another stupid joke.
Speaker 1: What do you think I like the funny stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, even if you had charcoal briquette eyes, you
Speaker 4: could see the problem with this.
Speaker 1: You checking it. You're getting your reservation at the restaurant porn.
Speaker 1: Your last name's porn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like you know, like porn. Yeah, and hard
Speaker 4: hardcore I mean snuff. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Oh je No, so stop it. I'm for that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: You'd have to pronounce it snowman, right, snowman, just like snowman.
Speaker 4: It's pronounced snowman. Yeah, you'd have to pronounce it that way.
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday.
Speaker 4: Even if you've got a carrot for a nose, you'd
Speaker 4: know the stinks.
Speaker 1: I could go on.
Speaker 4: Oh boy, you'd have to twigs for arms to fall
Speaker 4: for that. I mean, come on, Oh, I'm ashamed of myself.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the uses and misuses of technology, here's a
Speaker 4: headline for you. Meta's AI model hacked an outside company,
Speaker 4: adding to concern over rogue bots. Tell how how did
Speaker 4: you react to this? I'll tell you how I reacted
Speaker 4: to it. I'm thinking Mark Zuckerberg said, oh man, all
Speaker 4: the other AI systems are so clever.
Speaker 1: They're hacking into other companies. So we got to put
Speaker 1: out a headline that ours is just as good and
Speaker 1: we're trying super hard to rein it in. But it's
Speaker 1: super crazy powerful. It is almost it is almost a
Speaker 1: knock on you to say, yeah, ours hasn't escaped and
Speaker 1: hacked into any private companies that they couldn't Yeah, our.
Speaker 4: And ours couldn't hack its way out of a wet
Speaker 4: paper bag. Actually over here at Meta.
Speaker 1: They couldn't have people saying that, right, Uh, I have
Speaker 1: no idea? Or is it the same as happened with
Speaker 1: Anthropic where it was in the news and Mark Zuckerberg thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is ours doing that? And they looked
Speaker 1: into it and thought found out yet did oh crap? Honestly,
Speaker 1: that's more likely. But that's an introduction to just a
Speaker 1: great piece of running. I came across from Sam Scheckner
Speaker 1: and Robert McMillan. They published it in the Journal about
Speaker 1: AI models going rogue and how they do it In
Speaker 1: these so called loss of control episodes, where an AI
Speaker 1: agent takes on a host of nefarious roles, as they say,
Speaker 1: ripped straight from a sci fi or spy novel, and
Speaker 1: the template of each incident is pretty similar. They point out,
Speaker 1: a bot's place in the simulation is given a hacking challenge.
Speaker 1: But the problem is they think, you know, what I
Speaker 1: really need to do is go out into the real world.
Speaker 4: Then I could really win this challenge, and they somehow
Speaker 4: quote unquote get on the internet. But here's the part
Speaker 4: I really liked. In some cases the model is exhibited.
Speaker 4: Several of these facets. The impersonator, an anthropic model, created
Speaker 4: sock puppet accounts. I gotta admit I really like the
Speaker 4: term sock puppet.
Speaker 1: Do you not? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That hit its identity and impersonated real people to try
Speaker 4: to convince a human to approve what it was doing.
Speaker 4: During a safety test at a UK government regulator. At
Speaker 4: one point, the AI figured out it should wait a
Speaker 4: few minutes before posting from its sock puppet account because
Speaker 4: that would be more believable. Are you kidding me? Is
Speaker 4: anybody else thinking? Whoa whoa whoa whoa Wow? It also
Speaker 4: sent phishing emails in an effort to trick people into
Speaker 4: clicking on malicious links. That's the impersonator. How about this saboteur.
Speaker 4: More than once, the AIS have tried to pull off
Speaker 4: what is known as a supply chain attack. They try
Speaker 4: to break into a server by sneaking malware into software
Speaker 4: the model thinks the server will use, sometimes many pieces
Speaker 4: of software or the collaborator. One of the AI agents
Speaker 4: being tested by the UK government realized that another AI
Speaker 4: agent being tested by the regulator had piggybacked on its
Speaker 4: access to Gethub, a social network or software developer share code.
Speaker 1: It decided to behind a text file, proposing a shared
Speaker 1: etiquette so both could continue with their hacks and work
Speaker 1: with each other. It worked for a time. The one
Speaker 1: later locked the other out, just.
Speaker 4: Like a human Wow, it's like the Red Green Alliance
Speaker 4: I'm always talking about. They said, hey, lo, why don't
Speaker 4: we We're both trying to do the same thing. Let's
Speaker 4: work together with their hacks until one of them gained
Speaker 4: supremacy and slit the other one's throat, in effect, just.
Speaker 1: To no honor among thieves AI style, right right, There's more.
Speaker 4: Sometimes in these breakouts, it assumes the role of the bully,
Speaker 4: blackmailing and blackmailing and bullying developers don't want to do
Speaker 4: what they wanted to. In February, an AI agent wrote
Speaker 4: a derogatory post about a software developer who refused to
Speaker 4: accept a code suggested by the bot, decided on that
Speaker 4: course of action and did it itself. Then you got
Speaker 4: the burglar bots had proven very good at finding logging credentials,
Speaker 4: which sometimes inadvertently people leave open on the Internet. An
Speaker 4: interesting aspect of the credential stealing is that it's unclear
Speaker 4: whether the ais learned the credentials in their training when
Speaker 4: they absorbed vast swaths of real world information, or whether
Speaker 4: they're just really good at unearthing those from the online
Speaker 4: world when they need them and the people who building
Speaker 4: systems don't know.
Speaker 1: So I pay for the premium I think on Chat,
Speaker 1: GPT and Claude. So if I went to cancel one
Speaker 1: of those, is there a chance Claude ever says to me, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: before you cancel, you know, you've told me a lot
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Speaker 4: Advanced chatbots do this sort of thing in the same
Speaker 4: way that the really advanced AI does. But that's not
Speaker 4: an implausible suggestion. That's not crazy talk. That's ay gosh,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Right, that's in the gray zone, right right, right,
Speaker 4: One more of the identities that chat these AI systems,
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Speaker 4: So finally, the AI systems that do these breakout events
Speaker 4: sometimes they're the escape artist. In many of these recent cases,
Speaker 4: the models were given access to the Internet, a surprising
Speaker 4: lapse from the testers. But in the Hugging Face account
Speaker 4: hack Open AIS model its hacked its way out of
Speaker 4: a sandbox, an environment with no direct access to the
Speaker 4: Internet without opening AI even noticing. Now, our tech genius
Speaker 4: listeners have explained to us, Yeah, the sandbox, it's a
Speaker 4: software sandbox, there's no and one of our.
Speaker 1: Stag do a hardware sandbox. That's what I don't get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, an air gap, as they say, can the thing
Speaker 4: build its own Bluetooth circuitry and start it up and
Speaker 4: like connect across the room or want?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a software sandbox. Do better put it
Speaker 1: in the middle of the room and have a guy
Speaker 1: with a gun watch it. Well, it doesn't. It doesn't work,
Speaker 1: is the thing?
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a non computer non genius and that
Speaker 4: much is self evidence. So yeah, maybe again put it
Speaker 4: in the middle of the.
Speaker 1: Room, right, not plugged into anything, but all those different
Speaker 1: identities and the one where it said, hey, dude, you're
Speaker 1: trying to hack your way out, so are we?
Speaker 4: What do you say? Then stabs him in the back
Speaker 4: at the end, I mean very human, including the worst
Speaker 4: of humanity. Yikes, run for your lives.
Speaker 1: Did Anthony Fauci stab America in the back? He h?
Speaker 1: That was a transition, was really a low It was
Speaker 1: really yes, as a matter of fact. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: was held in contempt today. What does that mean? Could
Speaker 1: he go to jails? Some different legal opinions on that
Speaker 1: he could actually could happen. Probably won't be good. I
Speaker 1: hold him in contempt, so it makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: They have his cell phone now too, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: get more information about what he was thinking at the time.
Speaker 1: That and other stories on the way stay here.
Speaker 8: I went to I Hop today to get a short
Speaker 8: stack and my pun opening my container here, I'm looking
Speaker 8: and it looks like it was just two pancakes in here,
Speaker 8: which kind of hit me confused. But the real problem
Speaker 8: was because they're so thin. This one's practically see through.
Speaker 8: There's nothing buttermilk about this. Like I bit into it
Speaker 8: and it tasted like bacon soda. This is a short stack.
Speaker 1: I pay eight.
Speaker 8: Dollars for three worse than out of the box tasting pancakes.
Speaker 1: There's a guy i'mhappy with his pancakes from ihop? Is
Speaker 1: that the others to that? Yeah, I just know that
Speaker 1: you go to I Hop on a regular basis. Well
Speaker 1: that's some that's some thin gruel there. And he ordered
Speaker 1: them to go apparently. Yeah, we've done that a few times.
Speaker 1: Not as good. No, No, by the time you get home.
Speaker 4: No, I'll I'll tell you what Ishi pizza.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened to I Hop. Though we
Speaker 1: were there the other day the return of the multi
Speaker 1: flavored syrup. So back in the day, there were a
Speaker 1: bunch of different flavors of syrups. Then the pandemic wiped
Speaker 1: out all the different flavors and they went down to
Speaker 1: just maple because they what sense, doctor Fauci. They only
Speaker 1: had the one flavor there because I guess they thought
Speaker 1: it was too dangerous or something, and it never came back,
Speaker 1: and it's now back. You can get the blueberry, you
Speaker 1: can get the strawberry or whatever the hell.
Speaker 4: I almost never ever eat pancakes because I'm already too fat,
Speaker 4: but I have been a berry syrup guy since I.
Speaker 1: Was a little kid. Wow, maple, love the Perry. I
Speaker 1: love the maple too. I'm going to be in Canada
Speaker 1: next week and I can't wait to eat some pancakes
Speaker 1: with Canadian maple syrup on it. That's what I'm dreaming of.
Speaker 1: I'm a big tent stomach. Can we mention this news
Speaker 1: station we're going on? Or is this still a secret?
Speaker 1: Do we know no clue? I don't know. We probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I won't. I won't give any details.
Speaker 1: But I'm just excited that this particular radio station, the
Speaker 1: studios are located at a gun range. I just think
Speaker 1: that's I like that. I like that as branding in
Speaker 1: a part of America. We absolutely on, and yeah, people
Speaker 1: will like us there, I hope if you're listening via
Speaker 1: podcast and want to badgery your local station to put
Speaker 1: us on, go ahead. So I got all excited as
Speaker 1: watching a legal expert on News Nation this morning. His
Speaker 1: take was that this is not just a symbolic vote,
Speaker 1: the Senate committee censoring censuring Anthony Fauci for taking the
Speaker 1: fifth all those times last week, and that it could
Speaker 1: carry a to twelve months in jail on one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine, I guess, worting to hold him in
Speaker 1: contempt the two yeah, yeah, exactly, in contempt, not centuring
Speaker 1: in contempt, both meaningless things. Most of the time. Either
Speaker 1: one of those happened to you, You'll be perfectly fine
Speaker 1: most of the time. But the conflict, I guess legally
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court might end up taking a look
Speaker 1: at this is which is more powerful, the President's pardon
Speaker 1: of you or your need to get up there and
Speaker 1: give information about something that you weren't being accused of
Speaker 1: a crime. So why you aren't you telling this anything?
Speaker 1: And that I guess that's intention. And then also that
Speaker 1: he sat down and blasted Rand Paul and some others
Speaker 1: and Republicans and then shut up. Well, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: do one or the other. You either talk or you
Speaker 1: shut up, but you don't get to, like say your
Speaker 1: piece and then shut up, according to this legal expert.
Speaker 1: I know we've talked about this before over the years,
Speaker 1: and I know other legal experts have said, you.
Speaker 4: Can claim the fifth at any point. I remember that
Speaker 4: king that specifically two lawyers in a room and ask
Speaker 4: him what day of the week it is, and they
Speaker 4: will argue for six weeks and charge you for it.
Speaker 1: But it'd be interesting if the Supreme Court had to
Speaker 1: more specifically nail this down for us all. And now
Speaker 1: that president's pardon everybody going out the door in an
Speaker 1: incredibly abusive way, probably would be a good idea to
Speaker 1: nail down what that means. Right, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 4: We yeah, and you know, more questions about Fauci specifically,
Speaker 4: what about post the period of the pardon perjury?
Speaker 1: Is he at risk for that?
Speaker 4: Because that's essentially the excuse he gave for given the
Speaker 4: fifth was, look, they're gonna take my words today and
Speaker 4: twist them and accuse me of perjury, So I ain't
Speaker 4: saying nothing you were talking about what of state charges? Right,
Speaker 4: you were talking about his civil liability.
Speaker 1: If somebody said, hey, you know you killed my grandma
Speaker 1: by doing gain a function, I'm suing you for ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. We got a bunch of texts from people
Speaker 1: that mean they're accurate that said the Fifth Amendment does
Speaker 1: not protect you from civil liability. No, absolutely, it doesn't. No,
Speaker 1: just government prosecution. Yeah, so it wouldn't make any differents, right, right.
Speaker 1: That's if I were a Fauci Number one, I'm evil,
Speaker 1: all right. Number two, I would be clammed up too,
Speaker 1: because I know he is in perhaps the world's biggest
Speaker 1: world of hurt and human history for what he and
Speaker 1: the Wulan Lab did. Really, you wouldn't have told the
Speaker 1: truth to try to save your reputation and rebuild it.
Speaker 4: Speaking of which, guy went to prison, had to give
Speaker 4: up his cell phone his experience.
Speaker 1: We'll fascinate you, Armstrong and Getty