1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: and Book Podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I'm Tutor Dixon, and we are going to cover what 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: is going on in women's sports today. I know we've 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: been talking about this, but it is so critical that 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: we continue to cover this story, especially with our guests today, 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm joined by a former NC double, an, University of 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Kentucky star swimmer, and now vocal advocate to protect women's sports, 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: Riley Gaines. You've had a really crazy few weeks here, Riley, 10 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: haven't you. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: I sure have. It's amazing. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 3: If you would have told me even last year at 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: this time this is what I would be doing, I 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: would have laughed because I was supposed to be in 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 3: double school this year and so my life clearly, I'm 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: not working on teeth. My life has just changed drastically 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: over this past year. 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: But it's so important what you're doing because I was 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: so drawn to your story when it first came out. Obviously, 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I'm also a University of Kentucky grad, so that's part 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: of it. But I'm also a woman, so that's a 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: bigger part of it. Because we watched this and It 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: was funny because we're watching from afar as Leah Thomas 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: is taking all of these awards and being all and 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: getting all these accolades and covers of magazines, and we're saying, 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: how is this possible? Because, first of all, honestly, we 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: don't hear that much about star swimmers. It's not as 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: though it becomes weeks worth of national news. But it 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: was suddenly and here we're hearing about a man who 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: is swimming in the women's division, dressed in his women's swimsuit, 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: but an intact male in the locker room. And we're 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: not really you know, I think from the perspective of 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the world, we're watching this and going, man, 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: that seems awkward and an off. But not until you 35 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: actually came and spoke out did we under understand the 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: background of it. And I just have to say, little 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: girls across the country are saying thank you for doing this. 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly why I am doing it. I'm clearly done. 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: I graduated last year, so I'm clearly done competing. 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: So this isn't for me. I'm not fighting for me. 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: It's so much bigger than just one person being in 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: that position where I did compete against the Mail, and 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: I shared a locker room with the Mail, and I 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: felt what it felt like to be in those spaces 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: and to have to smile and step aside and giving 46 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: up our trophies and opportunities. I see what's at stake. 47 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: I know how we felt. I talked amongst my teammates 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: and other girls that that meet, and other girls who 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: this continues to happen to, because my story is not unique, 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: and my heart breaks. 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: What do you think about these men who start off 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: competing in male sports, they don't do very well, they 53 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: switch over to women's sports, but they say that they're 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: turning into a woman. And yet my understanding is that 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas still wants to have relationships with women as 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: well and not have that bottom surgery. 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: It feels like you're in the twilight zone, right Yeah, 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: And let's say, let's just say, for purposes, let's say 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: Lea Thomas didn't transition solely to win. I don't know 60 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: Leea's true intent, but let's say that he didn't. It's 61 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: still opening a door for people who would do this. 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: They see this opportunity and that's something they would love 63 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: to do, right. It sounds great for a mediocre man 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: who doesn't win many accolades to now become a national 65 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: champion and to get in the locker room with women. 66 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: Look at what's happening in prisons. We have men who 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: are convicted of rape and child pornography and kidnapping and 68 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: horrible things. They realize if all you have to do 69 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: is say you're a woman to be in a woman's prison, 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: that sounds great to a rapist, right, And so can 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: we at least acknowledge how the systems that we have 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: in place are failing us, with us as women being 73 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: the collie damage in the process. 74 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: But you're not. It's not just that these men are 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: winning awards. That's the really disturbing part about it. He's 76 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: being listed, as you know, a woman of the Year 77 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: on magazine covers, getting awards, and and just getting all 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: of this massive attention, like look at this amazing woman, 79 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: and we're all standing there saying, how can this be happening? 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: I mean, how can honestly, all of these government officials, 81 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: all of these companies, how can they buy into this? 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean it reminds me of Dylan mulvany going out 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: there and telling us how to use a tampon, like, 84 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: where are you using that tampon? Dylan? 85 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: And that's that's that's a great question, and I would 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 3: love an answer from someone about them. 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean, don't know if we want that answer. Actually 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: it's disturbing. 89 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: I think it's a perfect display of what happens when 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: you give an inch, they take a mile. Clearly, I 91 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: think when the I saw really started coming to fruition. 92 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: I know it's been happening a long time, but rampantly, 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: you know, kind of at a more prominent rate the 94 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 3: past two years three years. Maybe we all thought, I 95 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: say we I don't include myself, but there are many 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 3: feminists even who thought, let's be kind, let's be inclusive, 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: you know, we want to include these people. But now 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 3: two years in we see how this is harmful. But 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: it's gotten to the point where now not only are 100 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: these trans rights activists, they're not fighting for equal rights. 101 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: They don't want equal rights. That's not what they want. 102 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: They want to take away our rights. They want to 103 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: be superior and have more rights. 104 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: They also want to take away the business component of this. 105 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: I think that people also forget that when you are 106 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: a star athlete, things come that's your career and you 107 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: get endorsement deals things, you become the face of brands, 108 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: and so now suddenly instead of women's brands having a 109 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: women's face on it, you've got at a man with 110 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: makeup on. And really, how do how does a man 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: accurately portray a woman's brand, whether it is Nike and 112 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: it's a sports bra or it's tam PACs. I mean, 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: these are just outrageous, outrageous things that I think we 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: all feel like we're being made fun of. 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was going to say. It's a mockery, 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: it's degrading, it's offensive. If you watch the video of 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: Dylan mulvaney in this Nike campaign doing jumping Jackson hopping 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: around portraying what it is to be a woman working out. 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: That's not what we look like. That's not how we act. 120 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: We don't, you know, We're more than just the hair 121 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: and the makeup and the high heels in the dress. 122 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: We're more than a testosterone level. And I think an 123 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: important point to bring up is why is it always 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: trans women or men portraying as women getting the national spotlight. 125 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: Why aren't we seeing trans men or females in men's 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: sport excelling or transmen or females, and these corporations getting 127 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: these big brand deals. Why does it feel like an 128 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: attack on women? Why is it women's language that's changing. 129 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: Why are we changing the term mother to birth in person? 130 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: Why are we changing breastfeeding to now it's chest feeding. 131 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: This whole movement is a systemic eradication of women. This 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: is not something that has been seen going both ways. 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: And I think that's something people don't realize, and it's 134 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: all an attack and an erasure of women. 135 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: And You've really inspired a lot of women to come out. 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: I've seen just in the last few days, I've seen 137 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: women telling their stories of what it's like to be 138 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: a woman and their hard stories. You know, I think 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: that's something that people don't necessarily consider. You know, women 140 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: have all kinds of issues. When you go through menstruation, 141 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: when you have endometriosis, when people when women have to 142 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: have hysterectomies at young ages. They're sharing stories of the 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: hard pregnancies of losing babies. These are things that are 144 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: not funny. They are things that men can never go 145 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: through through. And honestly, I remember when I was pregnant 146 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: and I used to think. It's so shocking to think 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: that this is something that you create this baby with 148 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: another person, and I'm the only one that really gets 149 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: to experience this, that really gets to know this, And 150 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I felt like it was a really special time that 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: that was I was sharing this incredible experience of creating 152 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: life with my husband and with this baby. But this 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: was all my body doing this. And you hear these 154 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: stories of women talking about this, You hear stories of 155 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: women staying up all night breastfeeding, and this takes that 156 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: away from people, and I think it really confuses young 157 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: girls about what it is to have this joy, this 158 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: incredible magic. I mean, this life, this ability to give life, 159 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: that you are the God has blessed your body in 160 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: a way that you can actually create another human. It's 161 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: just so shocking. But I love the fact that women 162 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: are sharing those stories, and like I said, some of 163 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: them are hard stories of losing babies, of what that 164 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: was like to go through that. And I think this 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: is because you were willing to stand when so few 166 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: people were. But tell me a little bit about the 167 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: other women around you who were in this swimming arena, 168 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: who were also experiencing this same thing. But they were 169 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: too afraid to stand up, because really, what can you do? 170 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: They'll destroy you. They'll try to destroy you. 171 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's why, I mean, look what just happened 172 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: to me in San Francisco. That's why girls aren't speaking up. 173 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 3: That's why people my age are terrified. They don't want 174 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: to get ambushed. They don't want to be labeled transphobic, 175 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: or hateful or a bigot. But guess what, it doesn't 176 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: make you any of those things to acknowledge the truth. 177 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: I've talked at great links with many of Leo Thomas's 178 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: teammates and it breaks my heart, it truly, I mean, 179 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: it makes me feel so emotional to here about what 180 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: they went through every single day in order to suppress 181 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: their voices and to scare them into submission. When they 182 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: were concerned about the locker room and they sent an 183 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: email to their administration along with along with their parents 184 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: on this thread their administration, and I swear I have 185 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: a screenshoot of their response. Their administration responded with, if 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 3: you feel uncomfortable seeing mail Genitalia, here are counseling resources 187 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: that you should see every week. To go to mandatory 188 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: LGBTQ education meetings, to educate themselves on how just by 189 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: being sis gender they were oppressing Leah Thomas. They were 190 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: told that they cannot use their voice because their school 191 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: has already taken their stance for them. They were told 192 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: that they will never get a job, you will lose 193 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 3: all your friends, you will never get into grad school, 194 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: you'll lose your scholarship if you speak out. And so 195 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: these girls were intimidated. And there's one of Lea's teammates 196 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: to I talk with pretty often, and she filled me 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: on her personal backstory. And so the other day she 198 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: called me crying and I was like, oh my gosh, 199 00:10:58,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: you're you okay? 200 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: You know what's going on? 201 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: And she was like, I still have nightmares about sharing 202 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: a locker room. And I said, well, is there something deeper? 203 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: Here's there's something else that's gone on, And she said, 204 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: when I was in high school, I was raped, violently raped. 205 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: And when we began to share this locker room, I 206 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: immediately went to my coach and said, hey, is there 207 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: an alternate arrangement that can be had because this is 208 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: really triggering for my anxiety. This is hard for me 209 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: to share the space with someone of the opposite sex. 210 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: And her coach said no, you have to be inclusive 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: and you have to be kind, and it's something a 212 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: year later she still struggles with and it just it hurts. 213 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: It feels like you're being punched in the gut when 214 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: you have to hear someone else live this, go through this, 215 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: every day, went through this, and no one was willing 216 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: to stick. 217 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: Up for her. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll 218 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: continue next on a Tutor Dixon podcast. The other trauma 219 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: that people don't consider women are so often abused, so 220 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: often used in cast aside in you live with that 221 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. And then to put a 222 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: young woman in this situation and to have her have 223 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: explained the story, the situation and the school to continue 224 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: to say you're the one that is not being nice, 225 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it is shocking. 226 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: Now. 227 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: Where are all the feminists who come out and say, 228 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: you know what, we're not going to put women in 229 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: this position. What do you say when people say your 230 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: goal is to ban people, you want to ban actual people? 231 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Because I always say, look, this is not a matter 232 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: of saying that you want to ban someone, but this 233 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: is not a woman. And we were talking to someone 234 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: recently that is a de transitioner and they said, you know, 235 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the thing is that I never thought of myself as 236 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: a you know, going from male to female. I went 237 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: from male to trans. I mean, that's a reality, This 238 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: is really true, and so why should that Why should 239 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: that person then put women in a position where they 240 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: no longer get to compete fairly or even worse, they 241 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: experience that kind of a trauma. I mean, what do 242 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: you say to people who say, you're just nasty and 243 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: you want to ban people. 244 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: This is not about banning anyone. 245 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: I think everyone is entitled to play sports, regardless of 246 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 3: your race, your sex, your gender identity, your age. Everyone 247 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: should be able to play sports. And I don't want 248 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: to take that opportunity away from anyone, Nor is that 249 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: ever something I would advocate for, because sports have given 250 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: me so much outside of athletic achievement. I'm talking lifelong 251 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: skills that will translate far beyond athletics, that everyone should 252 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: be entitled to that opportunity. That being said, this whole 253 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: movement is about ensuring people compete where is fair and 254 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: where is safe. That's the basis of it and what 255 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: I've seen traveling to different states testifying on different state bills. 256 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: The left, the opposition. 257 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: They always like to say this is an anti trans 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: bill that bans trans athletes. 259 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: It does not ban anyone. That is a misconception. It's 260 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: a lie. Quite frankly, there's no one I know. 261 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: Who wants to say trans people should not be able 262 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: to play a sport. This is to not This is 263 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: not to deny that trends individuals exist. It's not to 264 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: deny that people do struggle with gender dysphoria. But it's 265 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: still to ensure there is fairness, there is privacy, and 266 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: there is safety because women should not have to give 267 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: that up. 268 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: Why is there safety a bigger issue? Why isn't that 269 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: something people talk about more. 270 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: I think it's something people often forget because a lot 271 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: of times when we're talking about this, we're talking about 272 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: it in individual sports like track and field. 273 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I say individual. 274 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: You're on a team, but you're competing individual individually, so swimming, 275 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: track and field, cycling. But what about sports where you're 276 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: colliding into one another, like soccer, or you're striking a 277 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: ball at one another like volleyball. You do have to 278 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: worry about injury because we know, on average, men are stronger, 279 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: they're they're more powerful, they're faster, of course they have 280 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: more muscle masks. 281 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: So when we need to consider things like injury. 282 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: Well, and we've seen injury certainly in the fighting. We've 283 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: seen injury on the soccer field. Whenever there is the 284 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: situation where you could be in a contact sport, it's 285 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: just outrageous to think that it's the same type of 286 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: competition and it is a safety matter. But really it's 287 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: so hard to get people to understand that because anytime 288 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: you talk about this, they just immediately jump on you 289 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: and say you're being bigoted, and that's really it's really 290 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: tough to take. Let's talk about what happened in San Francisco, 291 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: because you went to speak for a turning point event. 292 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: This was an event that this campus had sanctioned. It 293 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: wasn't like you were there and you weren't allowed to 294 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: be there. They knew that you were there, they had 295 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: protection for you, and yet still someone was able to 296 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: come and assault you. Then you were escorted out of 297 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: there while they were but they were not kept back. 298 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: They were following you through the hallway, and then you 299 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: were held hostage for three hours on campus. Tell us 300 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about what it's like to come out 301 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: of that situation and have the campus president say we're 302 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: so sorry to the LGBTQ community and we've got counselors 303 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: for you. 304 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: It shows the state that our universities around the country 305 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: are really in and what they're pushing. The email it basically, 306 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: well actually word for word, it said, you know, we're 307 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: so proud of our students for being so brave being 308 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: put in, being put in an adverse situation, This adverse situation, 309 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: being listening to someone who doesn't agree with them. 310 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: Were they forced to be there? 311 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: No, no, it's and again I was there. 312 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: Let me reiterate what I was talking about, because these 313 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: you would think I'm a domestic terrorist by the way 314 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: the emails have sounded. I was there talking about exactly 315 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about with you, how it is unfair 316 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: for men to compete in women's sports. 317 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Simple as that, right, common sense right. 318 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: Yet when someone doesn't agree with you, they're willing to 319 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: silence you through verbal and physical assault, holding me hostage 320 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: for three hours trying to negotiate my safe passage home. 321 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: They demanded that I pay them if I wanted to 322 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: leave safely. I mean, this is extortion. And the dean 323 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 3: of students was negotiating with them. I'm sitting there, I'm like, 324 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: why are we negotiating my safety? This is not something 325 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: that's up for negotiating. 326 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: Why weren't they just arresting people or forcibly moving them out. 327 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: The person who attacked you? Was that man arrested? 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: No, there has been no arrest, there has been no repercussions, 329 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: there's been no accountability. There has been no one from 330 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 3: the university who condemns violence. There is no one who 331 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: has come out and said, you know, we have to 332 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 3: honor free speech. 333 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: No one. 334 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: And truthfully, I think these campus police, because that's who 335 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: was providing the protection, which I want to mention. I 336 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: appreciate and respect all law enforcement, of course, but these 337 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: campus police did a very poor job. I think they 338 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: were scared to do their job. I think they were 339 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: scared to be assertive because they didn't want to come 340 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: off as anything other than an ally to this community, 341 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: because they know how it would look for them if 342 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: you arrest someone within this community. They're terrified, especially being 343 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: in San Francisco. They know that they would be the 344 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: ones who were vilified in the situation by simply doing 345 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: their job. 346 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: And think about this, We've got the city of San Francisco, 347 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: where people are giving birth in the streets, They're defecating 348 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: in the streets, they're overdosing in the streets. Right in 349 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: the districts where people are going to work. Every day, 350 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: businesses are closing. You'd hear Whole Foods just now leaving. 351 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: They cannot get police to work there because police are 352 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: demonized if they do. I mean exactly what you're saying, 353 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: what police officer wants to be the next guy that's 354 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: on the news and potentially going to prison for doing 355 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: their job. So what is the answer? I mean, at 356 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: what point do people just say, you know what, We're 357 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: done with Seattle, We're done with San Francisco, We're leaving 358 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Portland and those cities. They're no longer the places that 359 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: we used to think of. 360 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: I can tell you I live in Nashville, and the 361 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 3: amount of people who moved from California to Tennessee. I mean, 362 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 3: there was a recent statistic that came out that said, 363 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: on average, two hundred Californians a day are moving to Nashville. 364 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's people who are fed up 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: with the policies and are moving over here to get 366 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: away from that or if it's people who will move 367 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: here but continue voting that same way in hopes that 368 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: Nashville doesn't turn to ruins like San Francisco has done. 369 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: Because just like you said, I got to San Francisco 370 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 3: a little early, and so I went to this mall 371 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: a couple hours. 372 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: Before the event. 373 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: And I'm walking around this mall and I go to 374 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: the restroom, and inside the restroom there's a homeless woman 375 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: who walks in her feet. She has no shoes on, 376 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 3: her feet are covered in stoot and she shoots up 377 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 3: her arm in the bathroom. And I'm sitting there watching this, like, 378 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, I cannot believe I'm seeing this with 379 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: my own eyes, because you hear it, but I saw it. 380 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: People there aren't happy. 381 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 3: There's no smiling faces, there's no holding doors open for 382 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 3: one another, there's no looking up and smiling at your 383 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: neighbor as you pass by. These people look miserable. 384 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: Again. 385 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: I just wanted to immediately pray for them. I just thought, man, 386 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: I can't imagine having this much hatred and this much 387 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: just really vengeance inside my heart. I just felt drawn 388 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: to feel bad for them. 389 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: It's such an upside down world when it is kind 390 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: to allow people to defecate on the streets, then try 391 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: to find a solution to the problem of having so 392 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: many people on the streets. We've closed any type of 393 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: businesses that could help with mental illness. Now we're shocked 394 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: that there's a mental illness issue. We have pharmaceutical companies 395 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: that are prescribing drugs to every kid they can, and 396 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: we're shocked that there's a problem with kids' mental health. 397 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is outrageous. But when you talk about 398 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: the number of people that are moving to Tennessee, let 399 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: me explain a little bit about why there's that many 400 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: people moving to Tennessee. Because a lot of Michiganders are 401 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: moving to Tennessee. And so during the campaign when I 402 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: was running, we had people say, we're losing all of 403 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: our business. Well, our businesses we've historically been automotive. The 404 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: automotive industry is moving to Tennessee in big ways. Many 405 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: of the I mean, Ford just invested eleven billion dollars 406 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: between Kentucky and Tennessee, and so there's a massive amount 407 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: of jobs there. They're good jobs. They are jobs that 408 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: can keep a family in a very healthy financial position, 409 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: and there's no income tax in the state of Tennessee. 410 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: There are a lot of benefits to moving to a 411 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: state that is not beholden by that is not beholden 412 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: to the unions, that is also going to take care 413 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: of you financially, and where there are actual jobs in 414 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: other states. In these states like California, in Illinois, in Michigan, 415 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: the Blue States, people are leaving because there's no way 416 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: to have a living there. There's no way to make 417 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: a living, there's no you've got outrageous taxes and you 418 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: have no jobs of available, and those governors are not 419 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: coming up with any solutions to get jobs out to 420 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: our states, and so of course they're going to move 421 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: to states like Tennessee. And you've got so many strong 422 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: voices in Tennessee right now. But we have people that 423 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: are still fighting back and saying that they are going 424 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: to fight back against women's sports. What do you think 425 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: about the women like Megan Rapino who come out and say, actually, 426 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to support this now, remember she's retired. 427 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 3: It blows my mind because think of someone like Megan 428 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: Raupino or Billy Jean King. We have Billy Jean King 429 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: to a credit title nine to really these were women 430 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 3: who fought relentlessly to get equal pay, equal access, equal 431 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: resources for women in sports. But now these same women 432 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: who fought again so hard to get women's rights and 433 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: equal opportunities for women in sports are doing I mean, 434 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: they're doing a one tot eighty in the name of progress. 435 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 3: Yet it's not progress. They're at now working to get 436 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: those those opportunities and those dreams and those rights they 437 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 3: once fought for taken away because they're fighting for male 438 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: inclusion in women's spaces. And the word that comes to 439 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 3: mind is, of course, just irony. It's so ironic, it's 440 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: so it makes me wonder when did this flip take place. 441 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: Of course, the left was once the ones who embraced 442 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: the feminist movement, the original feminist movement, who wore the 443 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: pink cats, and who embraced the free the nipple movement. 444 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: That was the left, But now it's totally. 445 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Finn let's off. 446 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 3: Now, let's just get rid of nipples altogether. No one 447 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: needs nipples. It's amazing to me. But truthfully, this is 448 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: a winning issue, this, this whole gender ideology movement, because 449 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: parents don't want their daughters to lose out on opportunities. 450 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: Parents don't want their kindergarteners to be taught what they're 451 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: being taught now in kindergarten. And so the way it's flipped, 452 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: it's beneficial, of course to the Republicans, which I I 453 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: hate that this has all gotten political, especially in regards 454 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: to sports. Sports should never be political, but it's something 455 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: that the Republicans are seizing, and they should because what 456 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 3: dad wants his little daughter to lose out, what female 457 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: athlete wants to lose. 458 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: Out on opportunities? 459 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: No one right? 460 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 3: And so even among the liberal the left, this is 461 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: I think I saw a recent poll that said even 462 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: sixty to seventy percent of Democrats agree that men shouldn't 463 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: be a woman's sports. 464 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, even though you retire, 465 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of these folks still have endorsement deals. 466 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: So what's going to happen when Megan Rappino gets fired 467 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: for a man? I mean, is she going to change 468 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: her mind then? Because her big thing was women's pay. 469 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: So when they suddenly replaced her as the face of 470 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: whatever she's the face of and they say, you know what, 471 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: we'd rather have somebody that has a slightly different genitalia, 472 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: but is saying that they're a woman. How's she going 473 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: to feel about that, because essentially she's just going to 474 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: be in the same situation with men taking the pay. 475 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: Again, well, if you've ever watched Meghan Rapino play, or 476 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: if you've ever or talk to someone who knows her personally, 477 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: I think that she would shive someone who tried to 478 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: take her spot. 479 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: I really do. 480 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: She's of course, she's a warrior in her own sense, 481 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: but at the same time, I think that comes with 482 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 3: the aggressiveness of no one's taking Megan Ruppino's place. I 483 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: think if this if she were still playing, or if 484 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: she had a daughter to defend, this would be a 485 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: totally different scenario. 486 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: But she has nothing to personally lose. 487 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: Now, this is all classic case of virtue signaling, and. 488 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: I've had I know that she would say, well, I'm 489 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: part of this community and so I am going to 490 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: defend this and stand up for this. But I've had 491 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot of folks who are part of the LGBM 492 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: community that have said this is different. You know, I 493 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: want to be able to have my life, I want 494 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: to be able to have my family, But I still 495 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: believe that women have a place. I don't want to 496 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: erase women, and so I think it's disappointing to so 497 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: many women because she is such a fighter, She is 498 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: such a tough player, and she has been, you know, 499 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: someone that little girls have looked up to because she's 500 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: broken records, she's done things that women haven't done before. 501 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: She's been a first in in her field in many ways, 502 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: and we look at women like that and we go, man, 503 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: you're a champion for us, and we expect you to 504 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of stay on our team. And so switching teams 505 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: on us is somewhat shocking. And I just wonder if 506 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: at some point she'll say, you know, maybe I made 507 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: a mistake, but maybe it does take raising your own 508 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: daughter and seeing this happen, because I think she kind 509 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: of got out of this. She was retiring when this 510 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: was starting. 511 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: Right exactly. And I want to touch on your point 512 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: of saying, there are so many people within the LGBT community, 513 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 3: especially the LGB community, And I've talked to many trans 514 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 3: people who are very offended by this whole movement because 515 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: it makes them look bad. The LGB group. They fought 516 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: so hard for their rights five ten years ago, even 517 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: that now this whole movement, it's regressing the hole in 518 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: bo that of LGBTQ, which is frustrating for these people 519 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: who just want to live their life as themselves. 520 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 521 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: They don't want to infringe on others' rights. They just 522 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 3: want to love who they love. You've heard the saying 523 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 3: love is love. That's what they want. But this new 524 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: trans movement they don't want. Like I mentioned earlier, they 525 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: don't want to fight for their rights. They don't want 526 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: equal rights even they want to take others' rights, which 527 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: is where the problem lies. 528 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's so many people from different backgrounds, 529 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: whether you are in the lgbt community or in the 530 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: straight community, that want to see fairness and I'm so 531 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: glad that you're fighting. Riley Gaines, thank you so much 532 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: for being on here today. 533 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me and I look forward 534 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 3: to following along with all of your stuff as. 535 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: You continue on in the future, and we the same. 536 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: We will definitely be following you and we'll have you 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: back on. Thank you so much and thank you all 538 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Make sure you 539 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: check out this episode and others at the Tutor Dixon 540 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. 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