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Speaker 4: Hey hey uncle, Uh what you thinking?

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Speaker 2: So in their opinion. So basically, all of this stuff,

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Speaker 2: This is what I think.

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Speaker 5: Well, the players, the players you're talking about, they take

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Speaker 1: We got to have something to say somebody is better,

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Speaker 5: players at the top seventy five all time and in history.

435
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 5: You got a nitpick at the point when it comes

436
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 5: to the difference in what separates the two.

437
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, oh Joe, if we're not nitpicking,

438
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: and it's not even close, you see, we got an pick. Yeah,

439
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: that's that's the whole because if you not nitpicking, what

440
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: is what are we even discussing? Why are we even

441
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: having a conversation if we can't nitpick, Because if it's

442
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. Why are we even having to discussion.

443
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: There's a video going viral of Charles Barkley getting into

444
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: a car outside of New York City hotel. Ojo, let's

445
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: take a listen to what Chuck said, probably.

446
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: Part y'all can be waiting my firond time, trying my

447
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 2: first time here.

448
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 5: Please, alright, you're one.

449
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: I'm doing one. That's it.

450
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: One.

451
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 2: He's the same pan I said. One. Motherfucker, you understand English.

452
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: That's one. That.

453
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

454
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: I I don't have no problem with what Chuck said.

455
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: This is a problem, oyo. It's a problem because you

456
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: go somewhere. When I was at CBS SO, when I

457
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: worked at far So, when I worked at a ben,

458
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: people are outside with jerseys and glossy photos and blanks

459
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: want you to sign a blank so they can run

460
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: it off and just print as many as your Shinnon

461
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: Sharks eighty four as they won't. No, if you want

462
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: to put a dinner napkin on the on the internet,

463
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: yeah sell that. But if anybody gonna be making money

464
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: off my signings, you're gonna be me.

465
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: I get it.

466
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going to an authorized signing, right I

467
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: mean people don't get that.

468
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, bro, he they don't.

469
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: They're not valuing that. They want you to sign that

470
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: so they can go get money. I don't know why

471
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: people don't understand that. They're not fans, they're sellers. That's

472
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: not a small that's not a dad, and this kid

473
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: that's not a mom and her son. That's not a family.

474
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: They got glossy ass photos, the same photos with the

475
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: same NFL labeling on it that I signed. When I

476
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: go to a signing, sign yeah, sign the same jerseys.

477
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: They come up there with blank eighty and expect me

478
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: to sign it.

479
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 5: And you know what, I understand. You know where Chuck

480
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 5: is coming from. I also understand where you're coming from.

481
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 5: But but to me, the market is the market based

482
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: on who you are. You got that yellow jacket, you

483
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 5: hear me, So your marketing and your value when it

484
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 5: comes to signing cars, whether it's privately or or with

485
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 5: a company, your market value is what it is. No

486
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 5: matter what Charles Barkley market value when it comes to signing,

487
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: whether he signs all of them or doesn't sign any

488
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: of them, his market value is still what it is,

489
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: and you command the dollar that he commands regardless. So

490
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 5: that's why when it comes to signing autographs, I sign

491
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: them all. I sign them all, or as many as

492
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 5: I can.

493
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: You saturated. The market.

494
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 4: Value is already set. You can't lord a value based

495
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: on what it is.

496
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: Your value, Oh Joe, your value would be higher if

497
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: you didn't sign everything. Why you think, Tom Brady, why

498
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: you think these guys don't sign? Jill, what do you

499
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: mean they don't sign?

500
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't sign cards. They got Jordan,

501
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: got it?

502
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean Jordan can't sign a lot of these guys

503
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: can't sign cards because they've signed.

504
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: Okay, their value is already set. Their back again, I

505
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 5: just said your back. You had their gold jacket. You

506
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 5: are shanning, you shanning.

507
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 4: Sharp.

508
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 5: I don't care you went out there and signed a

509
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 5: hundred cards. Your value is what it is based on

510
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 5: what you've already done. You've already done it, You've already

511
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: put the work in.

512
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: But the value remains high because I don't sign. There's

513
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: not there's not an influx out there. I signed every

514
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: three five years. If I signed, if I signed every card,

515
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: so what's the value?

516
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: All you're doing is Lorge, You're not understanding your value

517
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 5: is based on what you've done, not because they're the

518
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 5: influx of your product out there.

519
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: Oh yo, who wants to buy a card that everybody

520
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: can get your hand on? Who wants to buy Jersey?

521
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: No? You don't. I got I got a question, Joe.

522
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 5: I gotta you know what else? I was gonna go

523
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: somewhere else with that. I'm not gonna go down. I'm

524
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 5: not gonna go down.

525
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe, there's a reason why. There's a reason why

526
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: a one on one, a one of twenty five, a

527
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: one of fifty. There's a reason why that costs more.

528
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Why does that cost more?

529
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: O Joe?

530
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Because there's only fifty, there's only twenty five, there's only five,

531
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: there's only ten.

532
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: It's simple, man, fatter you.

533
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 4: No, Noah, no, hey, you not understanding who you are?

534
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 4: And then I got to sit here and break.

535
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: It down to you who you are.

536
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 5: You're a super Bowl winning champion, three times super Bowl

537
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 5: win champion, Hall of Fame player two seven. Your value,

538
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 5: your market value when it comes in signing, is what

539
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 5: it is, no matter what's out there, because you can

540
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 5: command that based on what you've done, not because it's

541
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 5: there's the influx of your product already out there, that's

542
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 5: already signed.

543
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 4: You tell you, tell you you missing the You're missing

544
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: the point of who you is?

545
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: No, I got the point. Let me ask you a question.

546
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: Is Marie On a cheaper now or was it cheaper

547
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: thirty years.

548
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 4: Twenty years ago?

549
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: Why?

550
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: Because it's acceptable now everybody can get their hands on it,

551
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

552
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Alcohol Once they made alcohol.

553
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: Once they made alcohol, they did away with a prohibition

554
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: because guess what, you had to sneak and get it.

555
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: They charge you whatever you want because you didn't have

556
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: access to get it. That's how something.

557
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.

558
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 5: That same weed used to get way back in the day. Right,

559
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: there weren't too many strands now. I don't know nothing

560
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 5: about weed, but I know there's multiple strands of weed

561
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: that you can get. You can get something that's cheap,

562
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: and you can get something that's extremely high.

563
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: So it's about the one that we can get.

564
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: What if you had that strand that was extremely high

565
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: way back then, how much would it cost a brick?

566
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: How much does a brick cost.

567
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: Now comparing the back then brick back then was about

568
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: twenty three Now it's about thirty two, and I'm telling

569
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: you from it experience.

570
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: Boy. First of all, a brick, Oh well, let me

571
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: see how you know what healthy to google it is?

572
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm telling you now, uncle, I used to be Hey, listen,

573
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: I don't mean to put my business out there, but

574
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 5: I'm when I when I was sixteen seventeen. You know,

575
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: I used to be a runner for the Center Lower Cartel.

576
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: So I can tell you how much a brick is

577
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: because I used to have to. I us to have

578
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 5: to package everything.

579
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: Huh.

580
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, NK, you not understand. I understand

581
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 5: what you mean. I understand what you're saying. But you're

582
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: not the average player. Whereas if if you sign publicly

583
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 5: for a few people that are going to change your

584
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: market value because of what you've already.

585
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: Done, your value is set based on what you did

586
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: way back yonder. Huh. Listen to me when I tell you,

587
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what I know. I ain't tell you

588
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: what I heard.

589
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 5: Uh.

590
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Based on the location and supply chain four thousand on

591
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: the low to seventy thousand, it's called supply and demand.

592
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: The greater the supply, the less that demand. The more

593
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: the demand, the greater the price. So if there are

594
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: not fifty thousand shining sharp jerseys, if there's not twenty

595
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: five thousand helmets, if there's not one hundred thousand cards,

596
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: what does that do to the market.

597
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: Oh, Joe, hey, hey, I hear what I hear you.

598
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

599
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 5: But when it comes to you, when it comes to

600
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 5: certain individuals in our sport that played our sport, that

601
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: value is not changing when it comes to certain certain

602
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 5: individuals special unk.

603
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't.

604
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm not.

605
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 5: I'm I'm not here to disclose numbers, right, I'm not

606
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: here to do that. But when I do a signing,

607
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: when I do a signing, which I just had one

608
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 5: in Boston, I did some Tom Brady's vaulte and I

609
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: did some with Anthony Munos and Boomer Size in Cincinnati,

610
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: I think maybe two days ago.

611
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: I ain't got to work the rest of the year.

612
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: I ain't got to work the rest of the year.

613
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 7: And I know your numbers double triple that I know

614
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 7: it does, yes, But you know what, yo, I wanted

615
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 7: six X.

616
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: It ain't good enough to triple. That's why I don't go.

617
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: I got a set number. Now if I'm in that area.

618
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: They say, well, Okay, Shannon, this is what this is. Okay,

619
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: this is what I normally charge. If I'm in that area,

620
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I'll take that. But if I gotta leave, I'm not

621
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: leaving for that number.

622
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: I understand.

623
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: That's how you keep you, that's how you get your value.

624
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing, what you don't want to have happened. Man,

625
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: I got to do a car signing for the number.

626
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: Oh that number, don't change.

627
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: That number, don't change. See you hear me.

628
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: I like, I like what, I like what you said.

629
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: But I hate and I just hate telling people know,

630
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 5: especially when when when I'm when I'm in public and

631
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 5: people show up that there's somewhere they standing outside, standing

632
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 5: outside somewhere really long. I've always I've always been like

633
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 5: that because I understand my market value is what it is.

634
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: So if someone's asked me to do a private signing

635
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: or a public signing based on the market value, based

636
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: on what I've already done, it is what it is

637
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 5: and it's not changing.

638
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, if somebody came with without with a shot

639
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: like this, oh can you sign this? Yes, But when

640
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: they come with a helmet and I see they got

641
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: a bag full of helmets, and they got a bad

642
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: full of balls and they gotta and they got and

643
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: they got an album cards they're selling that.

644
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: They're not a bam.

645
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: You know what I do do I like it as

646
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: you just said that, I say who you wanted address to?

647
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: I like them. You said that.

648
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: I always say to somebody, I'm not signing. I'm not

649
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: just signing my name is just going by my business.

650
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: I will address it to you, to a family member,

651
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 5: to your son, to your daughter.

652
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: I do do that. But you know, I understand where

653
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: you're coming from.

654
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: I just think you're you're you're under underestimating who you

655
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 5: are in that space because I think regards to what

656
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: you sign outside of that space, when it's time to

657
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: get paid, your value is what it is and ain't

658
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 5: nothing changing that.

659
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: Nothing, no, And I'm trying to keep my value.

660
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: It's gonna be high regardless because you that ticket, my

661
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: mad you you you you him.

662
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's what it is.

663
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get you to see it. Like you're

664
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: not understanding.

665
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean people in the airport and they sometimes they

666
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: come on the plane and they they got their ticket.

667
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes flight attendants they done ran my ticket off.

668
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: Could you say I signed that. I ain't gotta.

669
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: Following with that.

670
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: My son is a fan, so for you know, his

671
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: name is x Y and Z. My husband is a fan,

672
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: x Y and Z, my brother, my dad. No problem,

673
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, I see you got twenty five helpers. I

674
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: say you got a sleeve of cards. I said you gotta,

675
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: you gotta double bag of football. And they you're not

676
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: a fan, you're a seller. Hey, I don't know what

677
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: people don't? Are you provided? I don't want to know.

678
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Chat you provide your services. Let's just say, for the

679
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: sake of argument, somebody comes up to you and they say,

680
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: you know what you ap?

681
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: Oh? You a plumber?

682
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Oh they see you driving a Hey, I got a clog?

683
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Can you come and clog it? You're gonna say hell nah.

684
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Doctors don't render their service free. Lawyers don't give out

685
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: information for free. Trust me, I know about lawyers. I

686
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: had to deal with him a lot over the last

687
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: year or so. I don't want to deal with them

688
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: no more. How dealt with them a lot? Ain't itch

689
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: for free? The even text messages costs. I don't text nothing. Hey,

690
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: I find out suit of the lady. Hey, all that

691
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: talking every day, Oh, Joe, I talk once a week.

692
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: So but but I but I get. But here's the thing,

693
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and also the problem with Joe. He said he was

694
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: gonna sign one. You see if you don't, if you

695
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: don't sign a thousand, your asshole. Yeah now I just signed.

696
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I just signed fifty. I just signed one hundred. I

697
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: don't sigh on one hundred and one, asshole, I understand it.

698
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: How do I how how do I win if I sign?

699
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: If I sign one hundred, what's one hundred and one?

700
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: What's one hundred and two?

701
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Next thing? You know, if you keep going, you go one, two, one, three, one, four, five, six,

702
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: seven eight? Next thing? You know?

703
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: You at two hundred. What's two hundred and one? Shannon,

704
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: you not gonna be at everybody?

705
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: Everybody on yo? Yeah? Yeah.

706
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: And then people they try to get you on your

707
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: guard into the signing. Hey, you want to take your

708
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: answer side? Yeah, that's all. That's all I'm saying. When

709
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: people don't have cards or helmets or things like that

710
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: on your I ain't got no problem.

711
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: I don't because I believe they are sincerely fans.

712
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: When you got flat footballs and you opened up a

713
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: sleeve and you know what I'm talking about that photo Apple.

714
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: They got cards, or.

715
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: They got they got jerseys, or they got blanks. They

716
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: just got the number four and you expect me to sign.

717
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, that that means you be hurt. You be

718
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: hurting collective collectors feeling sometime sometimes you know, they genuinely

719
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 5: want your autographed to be able to keep and say,

720
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: look what I have years from nine lives down the line.

721
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Brown's on the Jimmy Haslin walk back here,

722
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: swing and miss comment on Deshaun Watson from last year,

723
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: pointing to his injuries and suspension while expressing optimism about

724
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: his future. If not, it's not for lack of effort, Okay,

725
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody in our organization would

726
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: question his effort, his toughness, everything he's putting to the job.

727
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: The reality is he's had major injuries his shoulder towards

728
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: achilles twice, so he's been really ravaged by injuries, and that,

729
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: along with the eleven game suspension, kept him from playing.

730
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Deshaun had a great chance a fresh start with an

731
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: offensive minded coach who has in the past been able

732
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make

733
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: them successful. So DeShawn has a great chance to do

734
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: that now, Cavit tweeted, owner Jimmy hasn't believe it's possible

735
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson to go from swinging mess to a

736
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: home run if he starts this year. Oh Joe, why

737
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: is this? Why is owner Jimmy Haslam doing a complete one?

738
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: Because he was you know, he was a swinging mess.

739
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: We failed miserably.

740
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: It set the franchise back for lack of at quote

741
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: a paraphrasing here to now he got a.

742
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 5: Chance, you know why because the money that's on the

743
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 5: book still no matter what, Because the money that's on

744
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: the books, he understands what DeShawn Wood he has to

745
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: pay to Shawn Watson this season.

746
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 4: I'm not sure at what point you know.

747
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: With that contract because they don't have the numbers in

748
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 5: front of me, But he understands based on what he's

749
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: what he's being played this year where they can't cut him.

750
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: You know, he's probably probably might be the starter until

751
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 5: the bottom falls out. I think he does have a

752
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: good chance, no disrespect, I'm just being honest. I think

753
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 5: he probably will be the starter, you know, and until

754
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 5: the bottom falls out and they have no choice but

755
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 5: to push should do it back in.

756
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 4: I think when Shador gets.

757
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 5: That job back at any point, if things don't go

758
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: right for the Shawn, I think he's going to be

759
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 5: the starter for the foreseeable future. And I think that

760
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 5: they're they're just going to part ways with the Shawn

761
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 5: after the season. That's just how I see it play out.

762
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: Especially especially well this was the last year. So yeah,

763
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: I told you that's why he That's why.

764
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: He's saying that he understands that he understands that.

765
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 5: Listen, give you one more shot. I'm going to see

766
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 5: if you can be the quarterback for us for the future.

767
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 5: If not, try to give something to absolutely and and

768
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: then for the and for for the Shawn Watson's sake,

769
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: I'm hoping he does play well and if not not

770
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 5: for the Cleveland Browns, maybe to be the starter somewhere

771
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 5: else next year. But as far as I can see it,

772
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 5: if things don't go well when the Shawn is the quarterback,

773
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 5: if he does start as a starting quarterback, I just

774
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 5: don't see someone making that much money, being that healthy

775
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: and sitting behind someone else.

776
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: I just I don't see that part. I think they

777
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: give him every opportunity to start. They give him every

778
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to start. I mean, he's a veteran quarterback, he's

779
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: smart enough. I mean, look, we all believe that Deshaun

780
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: Watson his last year in Houston that he started, he

781
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: was a top five quarterback. I don't think we get

782
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: any argument, We don't get any pushback. He led the

783
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: league in pass and took them those teams to the playoffs,

784
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: and and and no quarterback in the history of the

785
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: NFL had become available non injury at that age. Ever,

786
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFIL, every quarterback had become

787
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: available Peyton Manning injury, Drew Brees' injury, Tom Brady was

788
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: a year twenty. But I'm talking about you talking about

789
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: the guys' twenty six years just came just came off,

790
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: no injuries, had just come off. Leading the league in passing,

791
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: those guys don't.

792
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 5: Be available ever unless you're playing, unless you're playing the

793
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 5: video game.

794
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: That's it, and that's it. And so uh I agree

795
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: with you, Ojoe.

796
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: I think I think the Cleveland Browns give this young

797
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: man every opportunity to start and to try to.

798
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Like bro we spent two of it.

799
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: We spent we spent two a quarter of a billy

800
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: and basically we got ten, maybe eleven wins out of it.

801
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Let's see if we can get a playoff. Let's see

802
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: if we can.

803
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Get a shot, this one last shot. And I don't

804
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: care how well he plays. I don't think he comes

805
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: by mm hmm.

806
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 5: They they listen, they they turned, they turned the rings

807
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 5: over the two, They turned the rains over the two.

808
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: And so uh and I wish that he didn't suffer

809
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: those injuries.

810
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

811
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: I think the eleven games. Oh, Joe, we talked about it.

812
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: You gotta play this thing, drop back, pass it and

813
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: throw them with your quarterback guru whisper what you guys

814
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: want to call him. That's not the same as playing

815
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Cause remember Ojoe, his last year in Houston,

816
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: he didn't play. So he didn't play that year. He

817
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: missed the first eleven games he only had I think

818
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: back then they were only playing sixteen games, so he

819
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: missed five games, so he missed, he missed eleven games.

820
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: He comes back, he hurts his shoulder. Then he tells, so, really,

821
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's played the season since

822
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: he since the last season.

823
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: That he had.

824
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: No he hadn't had a full season yet.

825
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: No, he might not have had a season if you

826
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: combine all of them together. How many games? How many

827
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: games has he played for Cleveland?

828
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Because remember O Joe, he missed their season his last

829
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: year because of everything that was going on, So he

830
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: missed the entire last year.

831
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

832
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: He's played nineteen.

833
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Total games, so that that's that's seventeen plus two, so

834
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: that's what he's played.

835
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: He's played, he's played two games more than a knowledge,

836
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: so he.

837
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: Played the season in two preseason games. Basically basically.

838
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 2: Over how many years? Five?

839
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: What was his last What was his last year in Houston?

840
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: His last His last year in Houston was twenty twenty.

841
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: So he didn't play in twenty twenty. He played five

842
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: games in twenty one? Okay, how many games?

843
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: Six? Okay?

844
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wow, and missed all of last year. Yep, hey,

845
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: so twenty twenty twenty was his last full season. Twenty

846
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: twenty one he didn't play. He played six games, he

847
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: played six games, he played seven games, he played no games.

848
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: He's played nineteen games in five years. Tell me the

849
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: player and any spot that can play that that that

850
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: that's at the top can play nineteen games in the

851
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: five games.

852
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, stretch, Yeah, you're a ye, yes, huh come here,

853
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: say hi, say hi, Come on, say hi. Take a

854
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 5: finger out your mouth, say hello, say.

855
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Hi, a free fry, say hi.

856
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: You can't hear you. You're good, Okay, Daddy gotta finish

857
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: kiss all right, go.

858
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: With your sister. Go get some snacks, Go get some snacks,

859
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: French fry.

860
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: All right, close, close the door.

861
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I gotta try to get I got They

862
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 5: gonna get it. They definitely gonna get it. I'm I'm hoping.

863
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: I'm hoping, you know, for his sake, I'm hoping he

864
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: stays healthy and has a good season, because even if

865
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 5: he has a good season that they're not they're not

866
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 5: bringing him back. I don't think, and I think he's

867
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 5: auditioning for other teams because they're they're they're going, yeah,

868
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 5: there's going to the other teams that.

869
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 4: Might need a starting quarterback or might need a veteran presence.

870
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: To come in. No, not at that price, not in

871
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: the price this year.

872
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm saying no, not this year. I'm about

873
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: I'm talk about the following year.

874
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: Oh that year, Okay, moving forward, Moving forward, Okay, okay,

875
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I thought you said if he played well in the

876
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: maybe trade, you know, regularly trade.

877
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, preseason gonna cut it. They need to see live

878
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: action in the regular season.

879
00:43:49,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and uh he's said that. Uh Jimmy Haslam is

880
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: is he not no dummy?

881
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: And you know when you're like, man, if you think

882
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: you think I'm finn sit you do you think I'm

883
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: finna sit you on the bench and pay you.

884
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: Forty You're finna be in there. You're gonna be You're

885
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 4: gonna be in here earning some of it.

886
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: You might get bitched, but you're not finna start on

887
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: the bench now.

888
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look, stranger things have happened. They got a ninety,

889
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: They got one hundred million dollars dead cap here with Tua.

890
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: They're paying him fifty plus million dollars, so the go

891
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: play somewhere else. So stranger things, I don't I don't

892
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: see them. They could don't start to look they could

893
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: because Aaron Rodgers, they let Aaron Rodgers had a big

894
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: dead cap here there receive other players have huge dead

895
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: cap hits. And it's like, hey, nah, it's just not working.

896
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. Ain't no sense enough beating the

897
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: dead horse.

898
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: You know what that's that's crazy when you think about it.

899
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: It's no telling what they might do.

900
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 5: There's no telling because and we saw that, like you

901
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 5: just said, we saw it happened to Aaron Rodgerson jour.

902
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: I mean, could it happen. I mean it could happen.

903
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: It can happen, you know, to Shaun too.

904
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: But what.

905
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: I forgot about Kirk Cousin, why wait till now, though,

906
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 5: why way till now? You could have been cut ties

907
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 5: and dealt with the dead cap hit.

908
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: Cut or moved on. They restructured the contract. So we'll see.

909
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: Wish him, wish him the best. Meanwhile, Andrew Barry says

910
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: he'll spend more time with Todd Simpson. And it's holy

911
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: realistic that the Browns to add a young qb Ileen

912
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: would be if we do add someone to the quarterback room,

913
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: it would be someone who's younger, a younger player, most

914
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: likely anyone that brings into spot on the roster. I

915
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: thought is that they're coming. They're competing, oh Joe, They're

916
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: competing to play. They have something that we like in

917
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: their skill set, and our expectation would be for them

918
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: to work harder.

919
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Oh Joe. Could you see that? What were they picking?

920
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean, because most drafts have two quarterbacks going in

921
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: the first round. It seems les him and Medozah. Obviously

922
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: everybody thinks Mendoza's going.

923
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: To the loss, I would hope. So wow, could you

924
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: see them taking Todd Simpson that say.

925
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: No, you you have so many you have so many

926
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: other needs that need to be a Oh.

927
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: But they got Jacksonville twenty four. Remember they traded the

928
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: DV right. Oh yeah, yeah, remember they traded.

929
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name.

930
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: I forgot Newsom Newsom, yeah, Newsom, yep, yep, yeah, out

931
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: of I don't see that. You have so many other

932
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: needs that that that that you need. I mean, hello,

933
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: we still need a receiver. I'm talk about I'm talking

934
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 5: about we excuse me, I'm sorry.

935
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: They they need a receiver. They need someone, need someone

936
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: big time. They need someone big time.

937
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: And you got Deshaun on the roster, You got your

938
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Door on the roster, you got Dylan Gabriel on the roster,

939
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: and you're potentially taking them.

940
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. That makes no sense.

941
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: That makes no sense.

942
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: If you do that, you're telling me you don't believe

943
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: in any of the quarterbacks. That you have with your roster.

944
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: We understand that DeShawn is this is a one year thing.

945
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: This is basically one year. This is a one year deal.

946
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: But you saying you don't if you if you take

947
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: another quarterback, and excuse me, if you take a quarterback

948
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: in the first the Tacond round, you said, the other

949
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks hold.

950
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 5: On, and if you take another quarterback, that's not gonna

951
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 5: change anything because the quarterback is only as good as

952
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: a supportant cast, and your supporting cast is not up

953
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 5: the par to do any goddamn thing anyway.

954
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 4: And Todd Simpson, no disrespect to him. He not the quarterback.

955
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 5: Don't come in and save your franchise because he's not

956
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 5: the type of quarterback that's to come in and elevate

957
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: everybody around him.

958
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: That's not happened. That's not happening.

959
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Agree, What are we talking about? They look like they

960
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about. Look like we kind

961
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: of know what we're talking about. But look, that's what

962
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: got him in this situation. I think the biggest thing is, oh, Joe,

963
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: you they don't they haven't shown patience. Now I don't

964
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: know what it was. Look I'm not I'm not there

965
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: every day for but for whatever reason for the word

966
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: was and and and and and listening to the Baker talk,

967
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: they wanted someone more of an adult.

968
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: To lead their franchise.

969
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: Oh Baker is who he is, y'all got people gotta

970
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: stop thinking everybody's gonna be like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

971
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: People got different personalities. And it's okay, there's nothing there's

972
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. But at the

973
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: end of the day, I want a guy to be

974
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: himself so that way I'll get the best of him.

975
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: You trying to make everybody be Tom Brady, everybody be Peyton,

976
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: everybody just that. No, that's that's not this, not at all,

977
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: not at all. And you look at the way these

978
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: guys dress. You look at the way these guys come

979
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: to the game. You look at the way these guys

980
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: are do things in game. It's a different time now,

981
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: oh Joe, you got involved with the times, this antiquated

982
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: way of thinking cookie cutter and everybody.

983
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Is the same.

984
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: It's not as much as much as you want your quarterback,

985
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 5: you know, to be a certain way, to conduct himself

986
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 5: a certain way. There are very few that total line

987
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 5: and being different you know, and then just do everything

988
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 5: by the book. But Baker is one of those baggers

989
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 5: who he is, and that's why I think that's why

990
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 5: he's having success that he's having now in Tampa.

991
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: But Baker didn't change.

992
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: He wasn't he wasn't a certain way in college and

993
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: then get to the NFL and change. He was the

994
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: exact same. If you didn't like his brash in college,

995
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: why the hell you drafted He played the flag, he

996
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: stood on the sideline and grabbed his crop. Uh, you know,

997
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: he threw the ball to hit somebody in the head.

998
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: That's you knew everything. It's hard for me to imagine

999
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: your invest that kind of money in somebody and you don't.

1000
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: Know everything there is.

1001
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: You know his third grade teacher, you know his seventh

1002
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: grade math teacher, you knew who his pe teacher was,

1003
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: you knew his son to school teacher. You know everything.

1004
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: You know the first card that he had, you know

1005
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: every damn thing. It's hard for me to believe that

1006
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: you spend thirty billion dollars in something and you don't. Hey,

1007
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: you spend thirty million dollars in the house. You gotta

1008
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: expect us. You're gonna make sure this thing ain't about

1009
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: to fall into the ocean. You gotta make sure this

1010
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: thing ain't got no leaks, it ain't got no termites.

1011
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: They had no plumbing, they have no sore problems anything.

1012
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: But you know what the problem is, right, they drafted him,

1013
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 5: they understood all those things. They did, they homework, But

1014
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: we're not getting the results we want. So we gonna

1015
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 5: blame you and the way you conduct yourself in the

1016
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 5: way you carry yourself as a reason why we're not winning.

1017
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 5: Because we bring you in. Okay, what you do in college,

1018
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 5: that's all fine and dandy. We like that part, but

1019
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 5: is it going to help us and result in wins?

1020
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: And it didn't.

1021
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 5: So what's the first thing they use? They use that

1022
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 5: as excuse on why they not winning. Well, it's because

1023
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 5: you conduct yourself this way. This is the goddamn problem.

1024
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 5: But situations matter, and you haven't. You had a problem

1025
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 5: at that same position for a very long time, So

1026
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 5: I would I would think, ye, how long?

1027
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Basic, says Basicals says Auto Graham, Well you had to.

1028
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: You got a couple of years of great with with

1029
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: Bernie Kozar. They went to the AFC Championship Game. Unfortunately

1030
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: they lost to Denver in Denver. Uh, but they haven't.

1031
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: They haven't had a quarterback, I mean a legit quarterback

1032
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time since Auto Graham in

1033
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: the fifty six.

1034
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I think, I think wait now, Auto Graham,

1035
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: Bernie Cozar and if I'm not mistaken, Derek Anderson had

1036
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 5: a really really a year year.

1037
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: I think that was so that was what was the receiver?

1038
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that that brilliant Edwards year.

1039
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: What about the year?

1040
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: But why is the slip in my mind? My god,

1041
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 4: I forgot where year that was?

1042
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he I don't.

1043
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: I don't think Dereka a Chad Who was a quarterback

1044
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 5: when when when Josh Gordon led the league lett leading

1045
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 5: and everything, lettle leading yardst league touchdowns.

1046
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it was Brandon Whedon one year.

1047
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: Maybe it was how Yer who was the U he

1048
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: went crazy that year?

1049
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the cardiac, the cardiac Brown's Uh when they

1050
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: had Brian Side Brian Sipe I think won.

1051
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: The MVP in like seventy nine, there was no I

1052
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: was on. I was on. I did first take. So

1053
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: I did first take like sixteen fifteen, sixteen.

1054
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:32,479
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1055
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 2: I had to be like I think if Brandon Whedon

1056
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: was one year, I.

1057
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 5: Don't know who the quarterback was, but it wouldn't matter.

1058
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: But Josh Gordon was catching everything and taking.

1059
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: It to the house.

1060
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: Whedon and Jason Campbell.

1061
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, remember Jason Campbell.

1062
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 2: From the old one team.

1063
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well they need to go get a need

1064
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: to get another receiver like a Josh for Yeah, because

1065
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't give it, damn who your quarterback are.

1066
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna be right back at.

1067
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: The same those guys aren't good enough outside until right now.

1068
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: You need you need it.

1069
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: You need a dog.

1070
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 5: You need you need one, just one good one to

1071
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 5: go to go with the rest of the supporting cast. Yeah,

1072
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 5: you get one good with a couple of you're gonna

1073
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 5: be alright.

1074
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: The Browns and Miles Garrett agreed to a modified language

1075
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: in his contract this offseason that makes it easier for

1076
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: the trade Garrett.

1077
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: So what they did that he's supposed to get twenty

1078
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: nine million the roster bonus March fifteenth. They pushed it

1079
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: till seven days before the regular season start, but Andrew

1080
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: Barry says.

1081
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: The team will not try. Miles is a career Brown.

1082
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: He's one of the faces of our organization, and I

1083
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: think we've been very clear, passed and present in terms

1084
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: of our feelings. I understand all the questions, but I'll

1085
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't really want to waste a ton

1086
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: of more breath on that topic.

1087
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yo, what does the modification to his contract?

1088
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 2: Where you kicking?

1089
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: I mean, min like, hold on, y'all, y'all need to

1090
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: tell me y'all kicked twenty nine million. I'll let y'all

1091
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: kick twenty nine million down the road. I could have

1092
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: got that March fifteen, but not seven days before the

1093
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: regular season. So that's seventh so April, May, June, July, August,

1094
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: so about six months. I let y'all kick it.

1095
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 5: And one thing they gonna do, but they gonna lie

1096
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 5: to They're gonna lie to you every time when they

1097
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 5: get in front of that camera. Ho, they gonna lie

1098
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 5: to you every time they get in front of that camera.

1099
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 5: You knew exactly why you kick that money on down

1100
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 5: the road to allow yourself room to be able to

1101
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 5: trade Garrett to a team that gives him opportunity and

1102
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 5: a chance to win for a change where he's the

1103
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 5: face of your franchise or not. Whether you want him

1104
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 5: to be a one Jersey team player, which he should be,

1105
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 5: but also based on what he's done, you should reward

1106
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 5: him with the opportunity to go somewhere where he can

1107
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: have a chance to win for a change. I mean,

1108
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: come on now, and we know why you did it.

1109
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 5: I hate listen one thing about them coaches and them

1110
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 5: owners and them gms. When they getting from the camera,

1111
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 5: they gonna act like a politician. They gonna tell you

1112
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: everything you want to hear, knowing that they're not going

1113
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 5: to deliver.

1114
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 4: And it's not the truth.

1115
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: They hit that lie, but that everything all the time.

1116
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 4: There's no reason to do it.

1117
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: Just just leave it alone. It doesn't change anything. It

1118
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: doesn't make the twenty nine million goes away. The only

1119
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: thing is is that that dead cap is not on

1120
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: your space because if you paid that money, you got.

1121
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: The absorber win. Even though he's.

1122
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 4: I mean here, so now.

1123
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 1: He's somebody somebody else will have to pay that. Look,

1124
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: obviously he's the best player. And you know what, now

1125
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: that I think about it, Miles Garrett might win. He

1126
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: might do something. Only a handful of defensive players the

1127
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: top one hundred. He might be number one, He should be.

1128
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: He should be. I think I think has any defensive

1129
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: player maybe J J. Watt?

1130
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 1: Has JJ Watt been number one? Aaron Donald been number

1131
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: one because normally it's quarterback. I think I think Adrian

1132
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: Peterson won it one year. I think the year that

1133
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: he came back, I think Adrian Peterson might have won it.

1134
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill won.

1135
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: It one year.

1136
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: That's seventeen hundred yard season.

1137
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lamar wanted a couple of times. If I'm not mistaken,

1138
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: I think my home boy Brady's winning the most. Has

1139
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: the defensive player ever won the Ward? What did JJ Finney? Okay, yeah, okay,

1140
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: so they got two JJ in twenty fifteen, Aaron Donald

1141
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.

1142
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 5: So hey, I'm listen. Miles Garrett either the Philly Miles Garrett.

1143
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that might be why they hold it. That's why

1144
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: Philly's holding onto AJ Brown. They might know something we know.

1145
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1146
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 5: AJ Brown over to A and I just said it.

1147
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 5: You get you one dog, get you one dog Deshaun

1148
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 5: Watson and AJ Brown?

1149
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because for me two for cause.

1150
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: Look, as much as I would love to see Miles

1151
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: finish his career, I think I want.

1152
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: To see him on the biggest stages. I want to

1153
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: see him a chance. I want to see those.

1154
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: Sacks mean something to someone other than himself, because when

1155
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: you playing behind it, you get twenty three sacks and

1156
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: you still win five games. You shouldn't win five games

1157
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: with twenty three sacks. Y'all should be in the playoffs.

1158
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: And just imagine what he could potentially do if his team.

1159
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: Ever helped another team has to throw.

1160
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the man had five sacks against the Patriots

1161
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: and they got beat by fourteen. That doesn't normally happen. Oh, y'all,

1162
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: you're right, because before you know it, the game's out

1163
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: of hand. Now you got to throw the ball. I

1164
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: know you gotta throw it. You know you gotta throw it.

1165
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: But I just don't know.

1166
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Him being there if they're ever gonna win, because there's

1167
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: so many holes they need to plug well, and.

1168
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 5: Honestly, the holes they need to plug on the offensive side,

1169
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 5: all the holes they need to plug. And listen, you

1170
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: won't be able to place Miles Garrett, but you can

1171
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 5: get someone that's common.

1172
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 4: Then someone that's not gonna get to Hell.

1173
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get your twenty three goddamn sacks, But

1174
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 5: you have so many other pieces around you defensively that

1175
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 5: are just that good. We're missing Miles Garrett. It'll be

1176
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 5: somewhat of a step back, but you still will be good.

1177
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 5: You won't be great, right, you'll still be good, but

1178
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 5: you need so much offensively. Ain't letting him go and

1179
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: being able to build that offense and help your quarterback

1180
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 5: situation out is much more important than keeping Miles Garrett

1181
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: and win another four or five games.

1182
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: It's a situation, O joe.

1183
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: The roof is leaking, the sink is clogged, the toilet's overflowing,

1184
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: and the shower doesn't work. I gotta fix the problem.

1185
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: The problem I'm gonna fix. First the toilet over floor

1186
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: and I gotta get that out there. I gotta get

1187
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: that fixed, and then I work A I don't want

1188
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: to get rained on shower A. I go take a

1189
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: shower in the rain. So but they got so many

1190
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: things going on, oh Joe, that Miles can't silent. But

1191
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: they've done a great they've done a horrible job of

1192
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: putting people.

1193
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 4: One.

1194
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: You got Denzel, you got great Delpit, you got Miles.

1195
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: You've done a great job of the defensive side to hell.

1196
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: The linebacker was working the year defense a year so

1197
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: You've done a great.

1198
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: Job with that. How the hell have you missed so bad? Now? Hey?

1199
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: You nice?

1200
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: You got something I like to running back? Yeah, bro,

1201
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: you gotta get some wired outs.

1202
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 4: You got what one? One one?

1203
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: You need one.

1204
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 4: And when it happens. I said it first.

1205
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 5: So when Miles Garrett end up over there in Philly,

1206
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 5: make sure y'all come back and h just replay this.

1207
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 4: He might end up in Dallas. Uh, you got to

1208
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 4: tell me twice. I just said they need a receiver them.

1209
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 4: I just ain't want to say no name because everybody

1210
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: get mad at me, then.

1211
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: Get mad all they want to. I don't see them

1212
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: trading them to dollars without pickings coming.

1213
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: You see that.

1214
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 4: It's a possibility.

1215
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying. Do you see Dallas getting Miles Garrett

1216
01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: without giving him?

1217
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 4: That's not gonna happen. Pick that's some Even even swap,

1218
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 4: even swap, babe.

1219
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: Do me right, even swap ain't no swindle. Who you telling? Hm?

1220
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: Hmm man. I just want Miles the one time to

1221
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: play me, to play me.

1222
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, meaning for football, Yeah.

1223
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean all I mean, for the most part, most greats,

1224
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, whether they want or not, they played them.

1225
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Bruce and Reggie uh Time, l t Ray Keighley, Patrick Willis,

1226
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald JJ. Unfortunately he did not get an opportunity

1227
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: to play at the Super Bowl. But a lot of

1228
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: the great and that's what you want to see.

1229
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: Now.

1230
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: If it doesn't guarantee, it doesn't guarantee you're gonna win.

1231
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: But but but play on that big stage, play in

1232
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: a championship game. Well, rush just matter. Get three sacks

1233
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: of the AFC in the NFL or NFC championship game,

1234
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: be the difference in that game.

1235
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, those defensive player of the year.

1236
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: But go back and cut the chape on in that

1237
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against Cincinnati, and watch how he got down,

1238
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: and watch.

1239
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 5: How he took the game, especially the god damn especially

1240
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 5: they got damn fourth down.

1241
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: All we had to do is just block him on

1242
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 4: that fourth down. He messing the goddamn throw.

1243
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: But oh Joe, you gotta remember on that third down

1244
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: and one he the guy blocking it and he grabbed

1245
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: the guy with one hand and stopped it from getting

1246
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: the first down.

1247
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: Damn man. And right before the half, remember they got

1248
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: they got that turner right before the half, and he

1249
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: got that sacked.

1250
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 4: I think he might come back this year. What you think, Hell, no,

1251
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 4: he you have you see the clips.

1252
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: Of him working out.

1253
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's working out like he might might just come back.

1254
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: Nah, he don't. He don't got the passion.

1255
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: He said it. He's like, I don't have a passion.

1256
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: He exhausted everything that he had. I mean you you

1257
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: know you you watching me, say, Hey, my dad had

1258
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: me getting up early early in the morning. He said, Man,

1259
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I did. I've seen y'all saw Pitt and y'all saw

1260
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: the Rams, But y'all don't realize I was doing this

1261
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: high school.

1262
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 2: At some point in time of me.

1263
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: He still loved the game, but the passion to train

1264
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: at the level that he need to to still be

1265
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. He can't go out there and be anything

1266
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,959
Speaker 1: else other than ninety nine. Anything else will be uncivilized.

1267
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: So that's the thing.

1268
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: I think. The thing is, Oh Joe, that's the biggest

1269
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 2: thing from the great is that they It's.

1270
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: Not like they don't love the game, but I can't

1271
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: give that same level of intensity and consistency.

1272
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: To the game I could imagine. I can imagine.

1273
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 2: All I know is.

1274
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: With them with them horns on his helmet, quip the

1275
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,439
Speaker 1: ass going up and down the line, turning down this long.

1276
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: They got it. Hey, they got the dead boat on

1277
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: there and everything.

1278
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 5: I actually imagine playing the tackle too, you know, always

1279
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 5: having to deal with that goddamn uh that double team.

1280
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: That double goodness, especially him. You already know you going

1281
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: to the game, and we played guys like that. Hell,

1282
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: I played against Reggie, against Bruce, played against DT. He not.

1283
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 5: You better mind where he and wherever he wherever he's at,

1284
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 5: that's where the double go. And the funny thing about

1285
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 5: it is Aaron Donald was able to dominate for such

1286
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 5: a long time and he had the highest percentage when.

1287
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 4: It came to being double team.

1288
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: That Joe was so quick off the ball.

1289
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: Man, I told you the first time I saw him, Man,

1290
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: that's Aaron Donald, I said from Pitt. I mean he was,

1291
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: he was stocky. Oh but you know, I thought they

1292
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: go see. I thought, I see to looking like Miles,

1293
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: looking like Miles.

1294
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: Now he now, but.

1295
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: What damn when you see him, he doesn't look.

1296
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: You watch him get on the ball.

1297
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 5: He quick quick, you know, and you think about you

1298
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: think about all the all the things that make a

1299
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 5: defensive tackle good, you know, all the different attributes. He

1300
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 5: was great every last one of them. Every last every

1301
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 5: last box he checked whether it was stopping the run,

1302
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 5: taking on the double team, being able to swim, pushing

1303
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 5: the pullo, I mean whatever the verbiage is that you

1304
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 5: use that you know that man?

1305
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was good at all of it.

1306
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: He can rip, he can bull you, he can wax on,

1307
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: wax off. Yeah.

1308
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 5: Man, and his footwork, you have ever seen his footwork drills.

1309
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 5: His football is like a goddamn receiver running back.

1310
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: But as I told you listening to him talk, when

1311
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: he was talking the defensive blind one, he said, you

1312
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: play on edges.

1313
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 2: He said, don't let that man square you up. You

1314
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 2: get on an edge.

1315
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 4: That's it.

1316
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. On ye I'm never you

1317
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,959
Speaker 1: never gonna put both of your hands and my damn chefs.

1318
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm going, I'm going inside and outside, I'm

1319
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: getting on.

1320
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1321
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: I promise you that I'm gonna get on an edge.

1322
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: But he was, he was, He was special. Uh uh

1323
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: And I you know, obviously just watching it from a distance,

1324
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: but you know, he kind of reminds you of a

1325
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: Johnny Randall.

1326
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: That's a that's a good comparison.

1327
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: Johnny was undersized.

1328
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: Uh you know, Johnny came in as two hundred and

1329
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds defensive tackle.

1330
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 4: That's you know, how you know how small, how small

1331
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: that is, especially back then when all the tackles.

1332
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh uh, I mean to play that under tackle.

1333
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: Uh he got I mean he caught.

1334
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: His hands are kind of like SAP because if you

1335
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: look at SAP, SAP didn't play with gloves.

1336
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: SAP just.

1337
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he did a great job of grabbing.

1338
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: Sap like to feel three and he liked to feel cloth.

1339
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: So he liked to pull what you call it was

1340
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: great at pulling a d but it was It was

1341
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: definitely a pleasure to watch him play.