1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in now number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buckley back 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: with me tomorrow. As we move closer and closer to 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: the June twenty seventh debate, we're going to break down 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: some of the storylines surrounding that debate. We've already discussed 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt, who's going to join us at two Eastern, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: being kicked off of CNN for pointing out that Jake 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Tapper and Dana Bash, the two moderators of this debate, 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: have compared Trump regularly to Hitler. I wouldn't point out 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: if you're out there and you are saying, okay, some 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: on the left would, well, Trump does have Hitlarian tendencies. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: So they try to say, well, maybe he's not Adolph Hitler, 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: but he's done a lot of things that Hitler would do. Really, 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: did you see what just happened in La Did you 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: see Jewish people being chased by pro Palestinians beaten in 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: the streets of Los Angeles? Have you seen the threats 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: that have rained down on Jewish people in the largest 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: growth of anti Semitism? Probably, sadly in my life, certainly 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: for any of us that were born and grew up 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: in the eighties, nineties, two thousands, We've never seen anything 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: like this in terms of the anti Semitism that is 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: rampant in the United States right now, all of it 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: coming from the left and the identity politics coalition that 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: the Democrats have cobbled together to try to win elections. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Anyone notice that Joe Biden announced he was running for 26 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: president because he bought into the very fine people live 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: from Charlottesville. He tried to claim that Trump called neo 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: nazi's very fine people, when in fact he directly condemned him, 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: something that many people still believe is true because of 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: the lies spread by CNNMSNBC, The New York Times, the 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: Washington Post. About that press conference, Trump said, there were 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: very fine people who believed that the statue of Robert E. 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Lee should remain, and very fine people who believe the 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: statue of Roberty Lee should be torn down. I'm a 35 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: longtime believer that you should not tear down historical monuments 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: in this country, regardless of what the current political climate is. 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: So I would have been one of the very fine 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: people saying let's leave the Charlottesville statue of Roberty Lee 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: where it is. I find that far better than tearing 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: it down and melting it as they did on video 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: for the Washington Post. Very strange, in my opinion, behavior. 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: And Trump was right when he said, it will not 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: stop with Confederate generals. It will move on to Thomas 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington and whoever you 45 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: decide is an old white guy that's no longer acceptable 46 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: to be celebrated. A lot of people forget, but you 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: remember the mayor of DC supported tearing down the Jefferson 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: Memorial and the Washington Monument and changing the name of Washington, 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: DC during the height of the BLM protests. And people 50 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: just pretend that this didn't happen. All the BLM protests, 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: the tens of billions of dollars in destruction, the hundreds 52 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: of people injured, the craziness that came out of the 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: left at that point in time. We basically had January sixth, 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: this happening everywhere all over America, and nobody was punished 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: for it. We just had pro Palestinian protesters show up 56 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: at Lafayette Park. I just witnessed it myself. You could 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: still see the graffiti on all the monuments. Nothing happens 58 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: to any of them. Columbia protesters, They're not going to 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: get prosecuted. Pulled right out of the dorms and the 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: university buildings there that they had taken over, no consequences 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: at all. If you thought this was all an accident, though, 62 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm making this argument for a long time, and I 63 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: would encourage you guys to break this out in conversations 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: that you have about media and who you trusted who 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: you don't. If you thought to yourself, well, okay, Jake Tapper, 66 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: Dana Bash, they compared Trump to Hitler. 67 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: But. 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: They've probably said equally awful things about Joe Biden? Do 69 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: those clips exist? If the media was just really mean 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: or just really bad at the historical analogies they drew, 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't it occur all the time in both directions. If 72 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Trump was really just the victim of a poorly run 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: news cabal, there would actually be errors happening in both 74 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: directions all the time. This is how you know that 75 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: we have a rigged media environment. Can you share with 76 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: me a story that CNN or MSNBC has ever run 77 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden that was incredibly negative that ended up 78 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: being one hundred percent untrue? Can you share one with me? 79 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: The Washington Post of the New York Times will include 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: them as well. If this were just a situation where 81 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: the media is negligent and they sometimes get things wrong, 82 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't they get things wrong in both directions? I asked 83 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: for an example of a Biden negative story that was 84 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: one hundred percent wrong that they have produced at CNNMSNBC, 85 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Washington Post or the New York Times. How about a 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: flip side? Can you share me a story involving Trump 87 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: that turned out to be one hundred percent false but 88 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: was very positive. If they only got things wrong in 89 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: one direction and they always were anti Trump, wouldn't that 90 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: suggest to you that it was intentional? If they were 91 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: just bad at their job, there would be some story 92 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump rescuing eight puppies that were otherwise going 93 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: to drown in the Potomac River that with supremely viral 94 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: everybody saw. It was like the Hawk Tua story, which 95 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: some of you have seen. Nashville party girls when they 96 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: get to interviewed, they have interesting things to say everywhere 97 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: all over the internet. Be a supremely positive story about 98 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump that was one hundred percent false, but it 99 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: would have gotten out into the ecosystem because they were 100 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: just negligent and they were bad in their reporting. When 101 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: all of your reporting errors are on one side and 102 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: they always worked to make Trump look awful and Biden 103 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: look good, it's kind of significant that's all that Caroline 104 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Levitt was going to do. But I think it's all 105 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: so important to recognize as we sit here three days 106 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: from the earliest debate in the history of American elections, 107 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: what's really at play here is not about Trump at all. 108 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: We know there's going to be a biased moderator in 109 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper, we know there's going to be a biased 110 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: moderator in Dana Bash, But we also know this debate 111 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: isn't even really about America or the American people or 112 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: the voters. It's about whether Joe Biden's going to get 113 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: over the pass fail test. Is he going to be 114 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: good enough with all the drugs that they shoot him 115 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: up with with the one week of preparation, Is he 116 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: going to be good enough to be the Democrat nominee, 117 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: or are they going to put the fix in, make 118 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: Biden step down, announce that he's not going to run. 119 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: He's not going to step down, but announce that he's 120 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: not going to run, and free his delegates to vote 121 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: for whomever they would like in the Chicago convention. I 122 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: think that's what this about. This is about. And Van Jones, 123 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: left wing commentator, went on CNN and basically told you 124 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: that last week. Listen to this. This is the entire election. 125 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, the entire world will be 126 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: watching there. If you have if you are a carbon 127 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: based life form, you're going to be watching. If you've 128 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: got a functioning brainstem, you're going. 129 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: To be watching. 130 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: Because if Biden goes out there and messes up, it's 131 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: game over. If he If he walks out of there 132 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: and a week later he's lower in the polls, it's 133 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: panic in the party. But if he goes in there 134 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: and he can handle himself against Donald Trump, a runaway train, 135 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: a locomotive, a raging bull, then this guy deserves another 136 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: shot to be president, because that is tough. 137 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: You couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. 138 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: If you can stand toe to toe with a runaway 139 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: train like Donald Trump for an hour and a half, 140 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: you are fit to be president, period, point blank. This 141 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: is the whole presidency in a bottle in a week. 142 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so there's there's a lot to discuss about what 143 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: he just said. But I think that's the question here. 144 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: It's pass fail. If Biden is mediocre, they're gonna say 145 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: he passed, right. This is a very lenient, grating curve. 146 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: But if he's bad, they're gonna kick him to the curb, 147 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: and they're gonna use this early debate as the justification. 148 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: To me, this is a Biden must prove himself to 149 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: the Democrat party moment. Here's a question for all of you, though, 150 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Don't we want Biden to actually be mediocre, just good 151 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: enough to remain the nominee. I don't want the Biden 152 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: replacement candidates. I think the Democrats would end up with 153 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: a way better ticket if they kick Biden to the curb. 154 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I know it's fun to watch your opponent get eviscerated, 155 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: but I actually think it's better if this is just 156 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of an even ish debate and both sides go 157 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: back to their camp and say we won. You know how, 158 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: a boxing match that's relatively close, when they finish the 159 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: bell bodate, both boxers raise their arms and go back 160 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: to their corner and their corner says, man, you won 161 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: that champ, you won that debate. I actually think it's 162 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: better for Trump if he doesn't knock Joe Biden out. 163 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: It's more satisfying if Trump knocks him out and stands 164 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali style posing with the fist. I actually don't 165 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: think that's best for Donald Trump's chances to get elected president. 166 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: Though. 167 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: That's a bit of a counterintuitive take. But I want 168 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: all of you to think about it, because I laid 169 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: out Michelle Obama is a way tougher candidate than Joe 170 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Biden is Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, would take 171 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania off the board, way tougher candidate. Gretchen Whitmer, way 172 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: tougher candidate than Joe Biden. You don't believe me, Go 173 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: look at the polling. Look at how much better the 174 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: governor of Michigan and the governor of Pennsylvania do in 175 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: their states right now than Joe Biden does. Look at 176 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: how much better Michelle Obama would do now Kama is out, 177 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: She's not going to be the pick. Be careful what 178 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: you wish for Thursday. The best possible outcome is actually 179 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: Trump just does better than Biden, but Biden doesn't fall apart. 180 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure Biden can stand on the stage for 181 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: ninety minutes. I know he's not qualified to be president 182 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: of the United States. Most American voters have made up 183 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: their minds on this. Trump is going to beat Joe Biden. 184 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I believe if that is our election choice in a 185 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: little over four months. I don't feel as confident about 186 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Trump beating Michelle Obama. I don't feel as confident about 187 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Trump winning in the Midwest against Josh Shapiro or against 188 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer. Think about that as you contemplate what's going 189 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: to happen on Thursday. A Trump knockout is more satisfy. 190 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: Biden being incompetent is great. But if Biden is just okay, 191 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: this is going to be a repeat, I believe of 192 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: the State of the Union address where Democrats come out 193 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: and they're crowing about how Biden looked amazing, and look 194 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: how much energy, and look how incredible he was, and 195 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: then he just has to go back out onto the 196 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: campaign trail and he's going to have more frail, incompetent, 197 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: dementia riddled mental and physical failures. No matter what happens 198 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: on the stage on Thursday. That's why, on some level 199 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: I actually want Biden to do okay, because if he's okay, 200 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying great, I mean, he's not going 201 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: to turn into Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas. But if 202 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: he's just okay, I think he's going to do. I 203 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: think he's going to do far worse than what the 204 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: Democrats would get if they actually hit the panic button, 205 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: break the glass, pull out the fire extinguished, and start 206 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: trying to come up with somebody else. Take some of 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: your calls and react to that. 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I just got back from Omaha, Nebraska. 242 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: I've scrolling through my Twitter timeline during the breaks, as 243 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I typically do to make sure that I'm on top 244 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: of everything, and I see the following I see the 245 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: following tweet from Jesse. Well, I'll let you read it. Jesse. 246 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: You here it is. I share a video I've talked 247 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: about my bad haircut. DC barber been poor choice by me. 248 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Twenty five dollars haircut. Jesse responds, as I'm buying a 249 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: thousand Jello shots for everybody at this text A and 250 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: M Tennessee fans. How many did you give the guy 251 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: who cut your hair? Very good line? I chortled to 252 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: myself during your commercial break. Would you like to describe 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: for people who haven't seen it? What would you say 254 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: about my haircut? How would you classify it? 255 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: Well? I, well, pictured this this is how I classified 256 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: people have heard of ever clear? That used to be 257 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: a thing back when we go Yeah it's clay. I 258 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: hope that's no longer a thing, but it's something like 259 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: the most powerful grain alcohol you can buy, ever Clear, right, 260 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: and everyone knew some kid who started drinking and then 261 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: got alcohol poisoning. So I want people to picture this. 262 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: I want you to picture that Stevie Wonder commits crime 263 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 4: in some backwater country and they chop his right hand off, 264 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: and then they give him a fifth of ever Clear 265 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: to ease the pain, and he drinks the entire fifth 266 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 4: of Everclear. So now he has one left hand. He's 267 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: just got a left hand, and of course he's blind, 268 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: and he's hammered on beyond belief on ever Clear. And 269 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: then they hand him some scissors and show him Clay 270 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: Travis's head. That's what it looks like. Happened to your hair? 271 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 4: That's the best way I can describe it. It looks 272 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: like drunk, one handed Stevie Wonder cut your hair and 273 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: you paid him to do it. You paid him to 274 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: do it. 275 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: I think it was a bad angle on the video. 276 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: The hair is a mess. There's no other way to 277 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: describe the haircut. I mean when I cringed a bit 278 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: when I saw the video of me giving the jello 279 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: shots out, I was like, this is gonna be a 280 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: great video. Somebody sent it to me. I was like, 281 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna post this, and then you ever watch a 282 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: video of yourself or at a picture of yourself, You're like, oh, no, 283 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: do I really look like this? 284 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Is this? 285 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: How bad? This is what everybody else sees. I always 286 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: see the front part of my hair. When I saw 287 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: the other angles, I was like, I don't even know 288 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: how I go out in public right now. 289 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: No, I don't know how you did, Clay. And I mean, 290 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 4: you can say it's angles or whatever it is. I'm 291 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: just I'm looking at it again right now on my phone. 292 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 4: I'm trying, because look, we're friends. I'm trying to give 293 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: you the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not seeing 294 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 4: an angle that would work. Did they not do the 295 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 4: thing where they put you in front of a mirror, 296 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: because every time I get my haircut, I'm in front 297 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: of a mirror so I can see it. Did they 298 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 4: not do that at that barbershop? Were you in a basement. 299 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: By the time they gave me the mirror? It was 300 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: such a disaster. There was nothing I could do except 301 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: give it the guy my twenty five dollars in leave. 302 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: I will say this Jesse. You know we go to 303 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: commercial break. The good thing is my hair is going 304 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: to grow back. 305 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 4: Oh that's just cold. That's cold. 306 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: Listen to Jesse Kelly Balding radio show host this evening. 307 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: Jesse appreciate the time of man. He's really fantastic. Especially 308 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: wish he could keep his hair. Uh, do you have 309 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: a lot of trees around your house. The idea of 310 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: getting on a ladder to clean out the gutters isn't 311 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: exactly how anybody wants to spend their weekend, especially if 312 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: you're bald like Jesse. You get up on that ladder, 313 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: he's already super tall. You get up on that ladder, 314 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: and the sun he doesn't have any hair to protect him. 315 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: It's just coming right on his forehead. Can you imagine 316 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the top of the head. How bald men just get 317 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: totally sunburned when they're trying to clean their gutters. You 318 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. You want leaf filter protect 319 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: your home. 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Miranda, 327 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: I was just I've been attacked a lot lately for 328 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: my awful haircut before we get into the Washington Post 329 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: collapsing and you deserving eighteen consecutive Pulitzers for your Hunter 330 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: Biden stories. What's Have you ever had a haircut that 331 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: was so bad you left and you were like, I 332 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: don't even want to go out in public for some time. 333 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: Is there a worst haircut? Miranda divine story? Do you 334 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: have one? 335 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 6: Yes? 336 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 2: And I've only had one terrible haircut and it was 337 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: the one before my wedding. 338 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 1: Oh no, this happened to me too. What happened? So 339 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: to tell me about this story? You're in Australia, You're 340 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: about to get married. What happened? How did what occurred? 341 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: Look, the funny thing was that my husband also go 342 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: to a terrible haircut that day. Sorry each other, we 343 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 2: just lost I Look, I just decided I wanted to 344 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: get it a little bit shorter and do a little 345 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: bit of a Jackie O look, and it was just 346 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: didn't work. 347 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: It was not a Jackie O look. My wife told me, 348 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: I swear this is true. We got married almost twenty 349 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: years ago today, I mean August of two thousand and four. 350 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I was in Michigan. I go to the barber. She said, 351 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't about this day before the wedding, like she 352 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: sent her mom with me. This is actually very funny. 353 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: She sent her mom with me as like a sort 354 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: of a security guard to make sure that I didn't 355 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: get it off a haircut. So whatever you do, no 356 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: bowl cuts, nothing resembling a bowl cut. And I left, 357 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: and if you look at our wedding photos, they gave 358 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: me a bowl cut, and like she was mad at 359 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: her mom, she was mad at me. Probably it's much 360 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: worse than this haircut. But it was a really bad. 361 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: My life is basically just a series of bad haircuts 362 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: because I only pay like twenty dollars for every haircut 363 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: I get, and I keep thinking, oh, that's gonna this 364 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: will turn out fine. But anyway, Jesse Kelly was just 365 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: on ridiculing my haircut and I have to say. Sometimes 366 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: you get a video of yourself from angles, it's not 367 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: like me just staring into the camera like I usually 368 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: do on television. I'm like, I can't believe I go 369 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: out in public looking like this. So anyway, that's what 370 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: we're dealing with right now. Hunter Biden went out in 371 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: public a lot in ways that I wouldn't have anticipated. 372 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: In an easy transition here, let's start here. Were you 373 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: surprised that the Delaware jury convicted him? Do you think 374 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: think his defense team was surprised as well that that 375 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: conviction happened. 376 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think they were incredibly surprised. I think 377 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: that they I don't know why, but I think they 378 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: thought they had it. 379 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 6: In the back. 380 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: I thought it was like sixty forty forty percent guilty, 381 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: sixty percent hung jury. 382 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 6: But you know, when you sit. 383 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: Through the evidence, it was absolutely slammed. Dunk and Abby 384 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: Lowell really didn't seem to know what was going on. 385 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 6: With a lot of the witnesses, and the witnesses. 386 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: Were even marrying me. Biden, who was one of the 387 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: few witnesses that Hunter called or Hunter's lawyers called, she 388 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: was sympathetic for the other side, you know, she it 389 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 2: was just and the jurors afterwards said they felt very 390 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: sorry for her, and they said that no father should 391 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: put his daughter through something like that. So I think 392 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: that backfired on the jury. And what I guess the 393 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: reason I was slightly surprised was because I've just come 394 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: to this conclusion that, you know, the Bidens have sort. 395 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 6: Of ringed everything in Delaware. But clearly those. 396 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: People were not impressed by Jill Biden coming in every 397 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: day and sort of projecting the power and intimidation of 398 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: the presidency onto the courtroom and all their other entourage 399 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 2: doing the same thing. 400 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 6: It obviously just didn't work. And the prosecutors said in. 401 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: The summing up, sort of gesturing over to where Jeel 402 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: Biden was sitting with the rest of the family. 403 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: And their entourage, and said, that is not evidence. 404 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: You may notice or recognize some of these people from 405 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: the news, but just put that aside. It has nothing 406 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: to do with your deliberations. 407 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: We're talking with the Miranda Divine. I was talking earlier 408 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: in the show Miranda that I believe over time the 409 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: truth wins, and I don't just believe that in the 410 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas. I also believe it in the marketplace 411 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: of commerce, and you have got a lot of really 412 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: good and brave bosses at the New York Post, and 413 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the New York Post has been rewarded the company. The 414 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: newspaper has done fabulously well over the past several years, 415 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: bringing in lots of money, very successful business in ways 416 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: that historically hasn't been the truth. I think that's connected 417 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: in many ways to people having myself included a stronger 418 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: opinion of the New York Post brand based on the 419 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: bravery of the reporting surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. The 420 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: opposite I think has occurred at the Washington Post. The 421 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Washington Post lost about half of its audience. Reports are 422 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: that it's going to lose seventy seven million dollars this year, 423 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: and as a result, Jeff Bezos, I think, kind of 424 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: looked up and said, oh my goodness, even though I'm 425 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: super rich, I don't want to be running a charity project. 426 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: Brought in a host of new leadership that's designed to 427 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: get the company back to profitability. And the Post employees 428 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: than Washington Post employees that is, have staged an absolute, 429 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: basically rebellion, and they forced one editor that was coming 430 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: in to say, hey, you know what screw this. I'm 431 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: going to stay in I'm going to stay in England. 432 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: What is important for our list nurse to know about 433 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: what's going on at the Washington Post. You wrote a 434 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: great column about it. It's posted up at Clay and Buck, 435 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: but kind of lay it out for people who might 436 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: not have been paying attention. 437 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's really an insurrection by the newsroom, 438 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 2: as you say, rebellion, but they love to use the 439 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: word insurrection against. 440 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: Ultram that's perfectservative. 441 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, as you said, the sort 442 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: of chickens are coming home to roost with. 443 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 6: The Washington Post. 444 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: They were, you know, front and center on Russia collusion 445 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: on the January sixth, all the lies that they told, 446 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: they produced our reporting called it's sketchy over the laptop, 447 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: refused to publish anything covered up for Joe Biden. That's 448 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: all they do, you know, every single hope that comes along, 449 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: whether it's suckers and losers or you know, what was 450 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: the latest one they've just debunked on Donald Trump. I'm 451 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: losing track, but so many of these lies that quite 452 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: happy to promulgate. And what's happened is I think they 453 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: got sky high readership during the Trump era, because it 454 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: was just scandal after scandal and people felt worried and 455 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: that they had to keep abreast of the news. And 456 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: the Washington Post had this great brand and it was 457 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: trustworthy and had credibility. But then when people started realizing 458 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: slowly but surely that oh, the laptop is real, Oh 459 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 2: you know, this hoax, the Russia hoax is a lie, 460 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: and all the other things about Donald Trump just weren't true. 461 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: And also realized that this sort of sainthood that the 462 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: Washington Post had conferred on Joe Biden was really not deserved, 463 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: and that he's a pretty bad man and has been 464 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 2: a very terrible president. And so I think their eyes 465 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: worken up and they realized, oh my gosh, I've been 466 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: lied to by. 467 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 6: The Washington Post. 468 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: So I'm not going to I'm going to cancel my subscription. 469 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 6: I'm going to ignore. 470 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: It lost its credibility. And the people in the news room, 471 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: I don't understand that they're the reason that happened, because 472 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: I think the inmates took over the asylum and they're 473 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 2: outraged that the guy who's paying the bills wants to 474 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: change things. And I just think that is, you know, 475 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: I've always worked for someone else, and if you want 476 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 2: to be the boss, then you have to put your 477 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: own money on the line. And you know that these 478 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: people are just so arrogant and they think that they 479 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: are the curators of everything that. 480 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 6: Is good and ethical in journalism, and they are the opposite. 481 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. And ultimately, the profit 482 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: motive is sooner or later, if the rich guy gets 483 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: tired of losing money, that's going to be the case 484 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: no matter where it is, rich guy or gal, whoever's 485 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: in charge. Because I think Steve Jobs's daughter has several 486 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: different left wing publications, and what does it say that 487 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: the Post when To me, this was so fascinating when 488 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: the Post leader comes out and says, nobody's reading your articles. 489 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Our overall, our overall audience is down fifty percent and 490 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: basically we're on pace to lose in the neighborhood of 491 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. If I hear that, Miranda, as 492 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: an employee, my reaction is, man, if I like my job, 493 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: I better go bust my ass and work harder. That 494 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: is destructive to any business in the world, whether you're 495 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: selling cars or selling paper or selling newspapers. And subscriptions. 496 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: Their reaction at the Washington Post was, why do we 497 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: have white men who are coming in to run the newspaper. 498 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: We need to have more diversity like that just and 499 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: to me is indicative of how if you let this 500 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: woke culture into your business, and it doesn't matter what 501 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: the business is, ultimately I be comes destructive from the inside. 502 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely and go work, get broken whatever it is. 503 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 504 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also there's something maybe more sinister 505 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: at sports. There is that sort of dei patina as well, 506 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: which is out of the problem with all these newsrooms. 507 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: But also the Washington Post has a special place in 508 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: DC as sort of an agent of the deep state. 509 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: Their sources a deep state people, their friends, their cocktail parties, 510 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: you know, it's people like Adam Shift, but it's also 511 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: CIA fbi ocraatives, you know. And I think that they 512 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: don't want the scrutiny that will come if you actually 513 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: have an editor like this, this CEO who's been brought 514 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 2: in the issue wanted to bring in. If you look 515 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 2: at their record in the UK and even here, they 516 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: are known for kind of objective and without fear or 517 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: favor journalism, investigative journalism that absolutely crucifies both sides of 518 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: politics whatever. You know, if they're corrupt, they will call 519 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: it out and they will do the stories. They won't 520 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: pull their punches. The Washington Post has a history of 521 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: pulling punches for their friends, and so regardless of their 522 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: Watergate you know background, I wonder if that was a 523 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: Democrat and not Nixon, if they would have been as aggressive. 524 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: But certainly these days since the Trump here, they're pulling 525 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: their punches on their friends, and so maybe they're also 526 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: frightened of having kind of rigorous editorship in there that's 527 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: demanding that they actually do the stories and check out 528 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: if you know, their FBI source tells them something like 529 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: about the steels off here, Well you have to go 530 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: and check that out and see if. 531 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 6: It's real or not. 532 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: Really good points and they bring the mind. Two things 533 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: here to close out with you, Miranda. One, if the 534 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: Washington Post, for example, was just failing as a news 535 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: organization to get everything right, wouldn't there be stories, as 536 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier on the show, that were 537 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: extremely pro Trump that they screwed up that later would 538 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: come out. As you point out, if you only have 539 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: errors that make Trump look worse, that's pretty strongly indicative 540 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: of a bias. And then second part of this, you 541 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: mentioned Nixon and Watergate. Obviously Wood were in Bernstein. The 542 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: work they did there, they went after a Republican president. 543 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: But even if you look twenty five years later, the 544 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: legacy of the post was they went after Bill Clinton 545 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: pretty aggressively on the Monica Lewinsky case they covered. I 546 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: was in college at the time in DC. Every day 547 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: I'd go read the newspaper they were breaking new stories 548 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: on it. If Joe Biden, I really believe this had 549 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: a similar style when we know he's much worse in 550 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: terms of scandals than what happened with Bill Clinton, and 551 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: they just pretend it doesn't exist. Right, the legacy of 552 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Watergate was we go after people in power. That was 553 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: what they did to Bill Clinton. Then when they went 554 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: to a subscription business, it turned into this is my thesis, 555 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: we can't possibly upset the people who pay for our newspaper. 556 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: Therefore we're just going to propagandize and attack the right. 557 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: That is really interesting. Yeah, I have theories about descriptions too, 558 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: which I have no evidence for. 559 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 6: But I do think the subscription. 560 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: Model does skew you and when you are in Washington, DC, 561 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: and your subscribers are going to be government bureaucracies. That'll 562 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: be a big chunk of who is funding you. I 563 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: think you're going to be in a city where you 564 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: know ninety nine percent of people vote Democrat. And also 565 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: with the paper that I mean, it's fine, it leans liberal, 566 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: it's never endorsed a Republican candidate in its entire history. Fine, 567 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: but as you say, they did hold Clinton to account, 568 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: so you would expect, like it's fine, go hard on Trump, 569 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: and maybe you made some mistakes. 570 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 6: I think they're unforgivable, but you are absolutely spot. 571 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: On the fact that they have ignored the biggest corruption 572 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: scandal since Ordigate, which is about Joe Biden. I don't 573 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: think because they particularly love Joe Biden, but I think 574 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: because they wanted Biden to be Trump, because they really believe, 575 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: like a lot of their deep state sources, that Trump 576 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: is an existential threat. But he's only an existential threat 577 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: to the deep state to their kind of unelected missions, 578 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: missions that they promulgate overseas with regime change and new 579 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: wars and so on. You see what's happened on the 580 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: Biden when they've had unrestricted power, and that's why Trump 581 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: is an existential threat, not to the country, not to 582 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: the world, the opposite to them. 583 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: No doubt, Miranda Devine, she deserves eighteen straight Pulitzers. I 584 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: just wish she'd had a better haircut and on her 585 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: wedding day, Miranda, Yeah, I needed one for sure. Thank 586 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: you for having with us, and we'll talk to you 587 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: again soon. Thanks a lot Buck's friends in the financial 588 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: research industry. He has many, But Porter Stansbury in particular, 589 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: did something this month most CEOs would never dare to do. 590 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: Told this company to reduce his salary to a dollar 591 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: a year. Instead, it's going to opt for a different 592 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: way to be paid. Porter sees a new form of 593 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: money in America, making some people rich. Many of the 594 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: wealthiest people in America already using it. 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Find 603 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: it on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get 604 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 5: your podcasts. 605 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going 606 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: to talk with Caroline Levitt about the big controversy that 607 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: blew up top of the next hour should be really 608 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: great also, by the way, and I don't really know 609 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: exactly what story's going to be here. London Roberts, the 610 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: mother OF's child, Joe Biden's grandchild that they do not acknowledge, 611 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: is going to join us at two thirty to talk 612 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: about her book that's coming out soon. We'll discuss all 613 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: that in the next hour. Wanted to give you some 614 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: good news. I mentioned optimism, and you just heard me 615 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: talking with Miranda Divine, who I love. I mean the 616 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: work that she did on the New York Post surrounding 617 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop. I'm not kidding when I say 618 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: they should pull every pulitzer that was associated with Russia 619 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: collusion that the New York Times and the Washington Post 620 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: and all those left wing media outlets shared with each 621 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: other for a one percent lie and instead should go 622 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: to Miranda Divine for her accurate reporting on The New 623 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: York Post. And I think the New York Post has 624 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: been rewarded as a brand for the success and the 625 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: honesty they've had. I know the company that I sold 626 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: three years ago, OutKick, has been rewarded. I think Fox 627 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: News is rewarded every single night when it outrates MSNBC 628 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: and CNN combined, as it often does. But I also 629 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: think this is instructive of the importance of what Elon 630 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: did when he bought Twitter. Is he gave a social 631 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: media company that wasn't committed to the left or right, 632 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: but was just committed to letting the marketplace of ideas 633 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: at work. You me, everybody else should be able to 634 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: say exactly what we think, and there shouldn't be a 635 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: finger on the scale dictating positive or negative what your 636 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: storyline is going to be. I think Elon sent an 637 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: important message. And this story came out today. Some of 638 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: you may have seen it. I shared it. Vivek Ramaswami, 639 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: who's been a regular guest on this program, is talking 640 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: about buying BuzzFeed. He owns a substantial share in it. 641 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: I just want you guys to know. He put forward 642 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: three names for individuals that he would like to sit 643 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: on the BuzzFeed board to bring more honesty and journalism, 644 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: more content ideas, and also just a more varied diversity 645 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: of thought to a left wing organization like BuzzFeed, which 646 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: remember published the Steele dossier for the first time of 647 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: any news organization out there. He put forward Patrick Bett. 648 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: David does really good work. Many of you are familiar 649 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: with him. Chris Balth really smart business guy who has 650 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: had tremendous success running Meghan Kelly Bill O'Reilly affiliated companies 651 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: and me, which I take as a honor from the 652 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: Veke that he would want me to join those two 653 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: guys as new board members at BuzzFeed. I don't know 654 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: how it's going to play out. They may not want 655 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: me on the board, there may be controversy associated with it, 656 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: as there often is, but I do take it as 657 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: a very important sign of where we are in the 658 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: marketplace in media, in particular that people like Elon and 659 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: the Vike are putting their money where their mouth is 660 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: and speaking out for a fair media environment. That is 661 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: incredibly important no matter who the president is